either way in this sale or the autumn sale its always time to inflict games i love upon my friends and steamutuals
#video-games
rustic falcon
fathom juniper
i hope signalis goes on sale
fathom juniper
https://vxtwitter.com/Xbox/status/1717228966069916042?s=20
ooooohhhhhh 
this looks... good
and surprisingly faithful
i'm actually shocked
usually i'm the first one to throw a pissy fit about remakes, but this...
this doesn't look half bad
i mean - it's konami
they're still gonna mess this up
gentle cloak
Konami hasn't been good since that one guy left
fathom juniper
konami hasn't been good since...
ah jeez
2011?
when was the silent hill HD collection?
i mean - hell
even before that the only decent IP they had left was MGS and they were slowly, but surely driving it to the ground too
it just kept on trucking out of spite
and sheer skill of kojipro
mgs5 kerfuffle wasn't the thing that started the downfall of konami
it was the final nail - the downfall started way before that
remember when they started selling out the silent hill ip to the lowest bidder?
remember when ISS ||later known as PES|| died?
remember when they refused to pay guy cihi royalties defined by his sh2 contract?
remember ZOE?
remember the PT demo?
remember the pachislot kerfuffle?
i remember
and that's just the tip of the iceberg
and they're not getting any better
MGS survive was an absolute crapshow
the latest contra was even worse
they switched to just sheer gambling for almost a decade
and now this latest MGS collection is an absolute farse
and yet i'm seeing people that are willingly ignoring all of that because...
...they showed one pretty looking trailer of an mgs remake?
that will be 70 bucks + dlc
just take all my money for failing to meet the lowest bar we've ever set for you, konami
just keep being yourself because we're willing to forget two decades of constant scams and neglect as long as you give us some pretty pre-rendered trailers
i swear to god
we "gamers" deserve the crappy industry we keep on funding
you have no idea how hard i had to keep myself from swearing in all of this
i'm done ranting
see you tomorrow 
gentle cloak
I remember almost none of these things tbh
fathom juniper
sorry if this sounds rude, but
case in point
hell - that was just the stuff i could name from the top of my head
a simple google search reveals more
from treatment of employees (including FORMER employees), blacklisting, abusind DMCAs, absurd pay to win stuff and there's way, way more if you dig deeper
a lot of it is getting memory-holed as we speak
which is just... sad
i mean - hell
check this out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMK-kajdgMA
this was EIGHT YEARS AGO
back when george was doing some proper, grade A viddya journalism
but that mgs3 trailer sure was hype... right?
once modders fix mgs3 on pc (cause i have no hopes for konami actually doing even the bare minimum) i'm gonna buy it off of a shady third party key reseller just to have it on steam without giving konami any more money
rotund umbra
it's so funny to me how the ports should've so simple to just make them not suck and somehow they couldn't manage that
fathom juniper
oh they could
rotund umbra
like I wouldn't have thought it possible if you asked me two months ago
it's an actual achievement to fumble this hard
fathom juniper
especially since bluepoint - a team that actually cares and knows what tf they're doing - did most of the work anyway
they could
but that requires time, money and manpower
which equals to money, money and more money
so screw that
we're gonna eat it all up anyway, right?
rotund umbra
but like there's some things that also make no sense
like, from what I've seen they implemented actual pause on cutscense, which I always appreciate
but
only for MGS1???
fathom juniper
it's an actual achievement to fumble this hard
dude it's worse than the 2011 re-release
fathom juniper
hwat 
rotund umbra
we already have ports
fathom juniper
i didn't even know about that
fathom juniper
dude i use to be 
about mgs1 and 2 ports on pc
they gave me the RE4 pc port vibes
but now?
compared to THIS!?
they look like they were coded by carmack himself by comparison
rotund umbra
like I guess kudos for porting MGS3 but you'd be better of just emulating it
fathom juniper
yeah ps2 games are still pretty hard to emulate
ACTUALLY
hang on
lemme see the system requirements
rotund umbra
also apparently they already datamined the collection for mentions of MGS4 PW and 5
so in a few years we're gonna have this conversation again
fathom juniper
dude
if mgs1, 2 and 3 look and run like THIS
just imagine how crappy mgs4 is gonna be
a game designed specifically for ps3's weird cell architecture
system specs for mgs3 on pc
rotund umbra
yeah I've seen people mention this and a lot of people even doubted if they would even bother with porting 4
fathom juniper
let me remind you - this looks, sounds and runs WORSE than the 720p port that ran on a console with half a gig of ram
and it ran at 60
and now recommended specs need 32 TIMES MORE RAM
rotund umbra
The Pause menu is integrated into the emulators which means only emulated games which are MG NES, Snakes Revenge, MGS1, MGS VR Missions, MGS Special Missions and MGS Integral can be paused during cutscenes.
fathom juniper
THIS IS CRIMINAL
fathom juniper
dude they can't even emulate them properly
rotund umbra
which is another thing, the rest aren't even ports they are just emulations
fathom juniper
i have duckstation on a 4gig microsoft surface GO
the first one
cheapest model
and i can emulate mgs there at a way better quality than...
...this 60 bucks game
this makes bethesta look competent
this makes EA look like paragons of virtue
this makes ubisoft look consumer-frienly
jesus h christ
rotund umbra
and that is the last thing, I would maybe forgive low effort if it was like a 20 dollar collection, since it's just emulation for most of the titles
but 60 dollars for this
jesus christ
fathom juniper
but that mgs delta trailer sure looked pretty, right?
the bar they had to pass wasn't set low
it was down on the goddamn ground
konami had a digger and 10 guys with shovels
rotund umbra
Tbh I actually thought the in engine footage looked worse than PP
Fox engine was gorgeous
fathom juniper
and just went down under it just to make sure they don't clear it
rotund umbra
sad to see them throw it out
fathom juniper
oh
i thought you meant that fox engine "remake" they were working a while ago
because yeah - that was also a thing
rotund umbra
I didn't know that
fathom juniper
a proper fox engine remake that looked aboslutely gorgeous
DUDE
BUCKLE TF UP
don't look it up
let me tell you a story instead
rotund umbra
before Delta I thought all mentions of mgs3 were just rumors
fathom juniper
rotund umbra
wait I actually remember seeing that somewhere
I thought it was just fanmade art/bs to start rumors
rotund umbra
damn now you're just making me sadder
fathom juniper
oh the suffering has only just begun
this is all real running on the actual fox engine btw
you wanna know what's all this from @rotund umbra ?
rotund umbra
yeah
fathom juniper
so they did all of that for a... goddamn pachinko machine 
fathom juniper
a slot machine with a big screen where you just...
hit one of the three buttons and watch some mgs3 cutscenes play out on the big screen
fathom juniper
dude
it's even sadder when you see it in motion
someone took some vids from it and spliced them up to look like a proper trailer
ok hang on
it's actually hard to find a youtube video that doesn't have either swear words in the title or clevage in the thumbail
gimme a sec
JUST LOOK AT THIS @rotund umbra
https://youtu.be/Rw3j8dXryEM?t=29
i'm getting a drink
the only gripe i have with the way this looks is that...
everyone looks 5 to 10 years older
but everything else is pitch-perfect
down to every single camera angle
god
ok last link for today
hopefully
check this out
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROC3CEv72Z0
fathom juniper
damn i wish i could do that too
can you teach me how to do that?
i've got a 2016 parkour game stuck in my head i wanna get rid of
fathom juniper
glad i could help
ok now i'm actually proper annoyed
not only i wasted the last two hours ranting about konami and mgs
but now also i'm thinking about my arch nemesis
the bane of my existence
the symbol of gaming's downfall
the game that killed AAA for good
mirror's edge catalyst
when i get to power i'm gonna give it the E.T. 2600 treatment
just bury every single hard copy of this game somewhere in the desert
fathom juniper
and there it is
ocean iris
but it looks so good
fathom juniper
mgsv plays like mgs3 lite
i mean
this does look damn good, but
come on - it's konami
they're gonna mess this up so bad
ocean iris
fathom juniper
yo that actually looks pretty comfy
ocean iris
yo that actually looks pretty comfy
Yeah it's NPC porters when they get in deep water, also happens to Sam
Basically you get emergency floaties being popped open in deep water and you can paddle yourself to the shore
fathom juniper
ocean iris
God forbid physical media
vale narwhal
None of the MGS games are on the cartridge
Metal Gear Solid, Sons of Liberty, and Snake Eater, the ones on the front of the box, are separate downloads, that you’ll probably need an SD card for, because the base model Switch can only hold 32 gigs!
Maybe you won’t need one if you have the OLED (which holds 64 GB) and… no other games downloaded, or major updates to ones you have physically
ocean iris
Man I wish the switch actually was competent hardware
sand sleet
I am now a highfleet player
woven breach
is it worse than Silent Hill collection or on par?
clear python
bravo kojimbo
ocean iris
But it's Kobami!!!!
clear python
I literally can’t tell the difference
ocean iris
rustic falcon
what game is this?
untold hornet
I forgot the name but all I know is that the contents are very very weird
clear python
holy carp
ocean iris
i never played it
i just find it funny
people make it seem like a weird fetish game but that only plays a small part as it's actually about 2 a toxic co dependent relationship between 2 siblings that literally kill, cannibalize and worship demons
and the implied thing between them is just showing the extent of their depravity without going full in, people just see something sexual and make it the only thing about a certain thing while they completely ignore killing and gore
though the community doesnt make this seem any better
rustic falcon
I looked it up, everything from the art style to the content seems like a huge red flag
sand sleet
What red flag is the artstyle
clear python
Apparently my GPU would run Alan Wake 2 at about 1 fps
fathom juniper
What is this
WHAT TF IS THIS!?
What is this absolute eyesore of a tlou hud?
Why does every damn game nowadays have to have this absolutely souless kind of ui?
jagged tide
They want you to keep track of it yourself, ideally with pen and paper
fathom juniper
Ideally I’d use a piece of paper to cover up this useless thing
clear python
Oh, you want it more immersive! Lemme quickly pull out the bloody screen health indicator 🥰
fathom juniper
How about you pull out the Alan wake 1 hud
It conveyed the same amount of information
If not more
But looked so much better
fathom juniper
no no no NO
guys come on
nooooooooooooooo
this looks... generic
besides that actually cool enemy design everything else they showed here just feels
eh
come on
rustic falcon
well its getting extremely good reviews
fathom juniper
fathom juniper
well its getting extremely good reviews
yeah i hope it's just this one clip
but you see what i mean, right?
rustic falcon
fathom juniper
this wouldn't feel out of place in tlou or like...
resi 2 or something
rustic falcon
no, i did not watch it :D
fathom juniper
yeah i just came home and this was the first thing that popped up
let's see some other stuff
fathom juniper
i mean i havent even played the first game
oh you gotta play alan wake 1
it's amazing
rustic falcon
yep i got it for extremely cheap when it was going to be delisted from steam
ive been planning
but you know. video games.
rustic falcon
what do you mean
fathom juniper
yeah there's two versions
rustic falcon
are they seperate?
fathom juniper
the OG one that was so big it...
...didn't fit on a single 360 disc so the last chapter was DLC
and the remaster from like...
two years ago
which actually looks worse in a lot of places
fathom juniper
OH CRAP
you got american nightmare too?
that one is a fun little ride
it's delightfully cheesy
rustic falcon
yes it was a bundle for all of it for like... 3 dollars? lmfao
rustic falcon
it was in 2017
it was going to be delisted from steam because the license for some music expired
so it was a very deep sale
fathom juniper
ok now i'm super confused
let me look it up
i...
honestly can't tell
like - alan on that title pic thingy looks like he's from that og release
rustic falcon
maybe it has the option to launch either og or remaster
rustic falcon
unlike observer which made a whole new listing for the remaster LOL bloober smh
fathom juniper
i'm looking at the steam screenshots now from other users
you know what?
it's on a massive sale right now
AW and control
fathom juniper
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand i just bought two games
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1167146956049625088/image.png?ex=654d114e&is=653a9c4e&hm=ccec3105745431edb23520867ecaf9a63c79be002d548042ec23318e64cadd99&
for the price of a...
a single bottle of whiskey?
more or less
god i love pc gaming
rotund umbra
the remaster is EGS exclusive afaik
fathom juniper
wait
really?
rotund umbra
yeah
at least for now
I don't know when it launched but Control was EGS exlusive for like two years I think
fathom juniper
yo that's actually pretty hilarious
rotund umbra
AW2 is too
fathom juniper
I don't know when it launched but Control was EGS exlusive for like two years I ...
oh yeah i remember
control had it ROUGH for the first like... two years?
rotund umbra
rough as in?
fathom juniper
it was barely selling any copies
rotund umbra
10/05/21 Alan Wake Remastered release, so it's actually more than two years now
fathom juniper
the publishing deal they had with... 505 i think
was a complete crapshow
rotund umbra
I mean, isn't that pretty much every EGS game?
fathom juniper
then they released on consoles and it BARELY chugged
like - i played it on the ps4 after patches and i was 👌 this close to quitting just because of how bad the performance is
and on pc it was a proper rig-melter
rotund umbra
Oh AW is published by Epic, that's why, so it might be exclusive forever in that case
fathom juniper
but few years later
it came out on steam
people upgraded their rigs
ps5 and new echsbawks came out
they patched the game
rotund umbra
both remaster and 2
fathom juniper
and it started picking up the pace, sales-wise
rotund umbra
well Control was also insane looking
especially with RTX
and from what I hear AW2 is the same, insane HW requirements but also very good looking apparently
fathom juniper
which is good because after quantum break remedy was in some deep financial doodoo
like - they had to downsize their crew
microsoft wouldn't publish their next game so they had to settle for 505
and pick up a timed exclusivity deal with epic
that's one of the reasons why control looks and plays... the way it does
that cool brutalist artstyle?
that was a necessity at first
same goes for the general structure - they couldn't afford another big expensive AAA game like quantum break
with hollywood actors and long FMV shows and what not
so they had to use that tech in a more creative way
and i am so glad remedy didn't go under after control
i was pretty sure they were gonna fold
but they somehow pulled through
rotund umbra
Epic money
fathom juniper
but yeah
long story short
i love remedy
and i played each and every single of their games
well - besides quantum break, of course
(and yes - that includes even death rally)
i love them
fathom juniper
and i think that Sam Lake is in the top echelon of western game writers next to Greg
which is...
i think the highest praise i can give to both of those guys
rotund umbra
Quantum Break feels like it walked so Control could fly
rotund umbra
also quantum break is broken on steam, you literally can't watch the live action episodes because it tries to stream them but I guess the servers are off already and you get stuck on trying to replay them, and the only option is to skip them
I had to pirate the game to get it working
because they have the files locally
there is apparently option on Xbox to download them locally but not on PC
fathom juniper
after quantum break they were like
"ok guys, so - microsoft won't answer our calls, we had to let go of a big chunk of our staff and money's getting pretty tight"
"but we've got this cool engine with FMV support so... what do we do?"
and their answer was control
a game big on gameplay, light on expensive AAA stuff that uses all that cool tech they had (including the FMVs) that was published on the cheap
it was a rought ride
but they pulled through
fathom juniper
also quantum break is broken on steam, you literally can't watch the live action...
quantum break is on steam?
rotund umbra
yeah
fathom juniper
i thought it was an echsbawks exclusive
fathom juniper
i guess it was timed
rotund umbra
QB released 2016, EGS launched 2018
fathom juniper
well im pretty sure this will bump this game up your to-do list
https://youtu.be/8EJufYOzp8U?si=2PZEC7__JvSk1Q6v
control is one of those games where...
where you can feel like the whole team had fun just going wild with the ideas
rustic falcon
im already actively playing like 2 games
rotund umbra
if you're going to play AW I would definitely queue Control right behind it
fathom juniper
yeah gimme a minute
oh wait
bubol just dropped a new vid
@ocean iris BRUH
i'm crying 
oh this is so well made
fathom juniper
Oh man this game aged like a fine wine
Alan wake I mean
Oh sure the facial animations are about as stiff as my knees
But the lighting?
The detailed foliage
Shadows and all that stuff?
Still holds up
winter mica
had anyone here played sea of stars?
mystic wave
had anyone here played sea of stars?
I haven't played it but was quite interested. So i looked around to see what people thought of it
From what i gather, music and visuals are extremely good
But most didn't like the writing
fathom juniper
twin yarrow
managing to make a game on almost 20 years old engine with as much default bethesda stuff as possible and second emptiest space after star citizen is sure an achievement of some sort
and even with that said about SC, it can be still enjoyed a bit
sometimes a spaceship itself is more interesting than places it can take you to
fathom juniper
Yeah credit where credit is due
Mgs5 had a great camera system
It had everything
First and third person
Good collisions
Zoom
You could switch shoulders anytime
Good stuff
ocean iris
It had everything
First and third person
Good collisions
Zoom
You could swit...
ohhh yeah that's cool too but the camera shake and angles
especially during CQC, sprinting and climbing
gentle cloak
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/888317171271344152/1167410877612437524/16...
Love how he couldn't even pick a thumbnail with actual visuals on it
ocean iris
Nah its a preview
Eitherway
I swear if TF|3 doesnt get announced today
I have a ton of memes and MGSV refferences for this moment
ocean iris
@fathom juniper Okay, flavor of the month assymetrical pvp slasher game predictions
Which franchise will they use next
So far we had Friday the 13th, Predator, The Evil Dead, Texas Chainsaw Massacre,
winter mica
@mossy magnet taking disgaea talk over here to be on topic. it's got a really fun battle system so i like that aspect of it but it can also be pretty horny at times
mossy magnet
Horny?
winter mica
lots of characters being one step away from totally naked
flora beast and nine tails are pretty bad
after battles there's like a still of different scenes and one is straight up of a female character being assaulted
majorita is pretty close to being naked, on the other side killia has a lot of skin showing too
which to say having revealing outfits or showing skin is the worst thing a video game can do or anything but disgaea is a series that just has a lot of it
woven breach
the absurdity of that game is so fun
next patio
Can't wait to see how the sequel goes off rail
woven breach
'Turnip Boy Steals From Charity'
fathom juniper
Which franchise will they use next
all of them
like smash bros for horror fans
oh wait
dead by daylight already exists
woven breach
Child's Play
fathom juniper
so, uh...
i booted up alan wake and my pc started making F22-A noises
and then i looked up and saw the FPS counter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226831135802392577/1167832568150892594/image.png?ex=654f8fd5&is=653d1ad5&hm=d5c6cc78d519a273135beab67bac2920e05a3990d1c0a5d865e77090a8179d73&
novel arrow
and then i looked up and saw the FPS counter
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachme...
min 1080 ti performance
🤣
sand sleet
Tried elden ring and it's pretty meh
Well it's beautiful but I mean gameplay wise
It takes trillion years between me pressing a button and character doing anything
Really not my thing I like fluid responsive gameplay
It would be very fun if you could actually control the character
Oh and also the first npc I met didn't drop the flower bouquet weapon they used so that also sucked
dull prawn
Well it's beautiful but I mean gameplay wise
Didn't had this problem on my pc
dull prawn
Oh and also the first npc I met didn't drop the flower bouquet weapon they used ...
I understand that a lot krkr
sand sleet
Didn't had this problem on my pc
I don't mean input delay I mean windup and length of animations
dull prawn
Ooooh, I see
sand sleet
Blocking for example was instant pretty much
dull prawn
I suppose that's an habit that I took
sand sleet
But hitting and dodging - not so much
dull prawn
>tell me you’re fatrolling without telling me you’re fatrolling
Fatroll is funny krkr
dull prawn
i don't even know what kr means
Just my wau to say it's fun
lost igloo
Open beta until Nov 5th. It's a pretty fun little game so far
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2073850/THE_FINALS/
mossy magnet
Open beta until Nov 5th. It's a pretty fun little game so far
https://store.stea...
I wish my PC could run it
sand sleet
>tell me you’re fatrolling without telling me you’re fatrolling
Idk it was the starting class with two scimitars and blue dress, didn't look heavy
next patio
mario wonder at 100% (well not really but the last thing is just grinding currency)
had to do the final lvl twice cuz I missed a coin
funny reward tho
sand sleet
So much changed in cyberpunk 2.0
It's a very good update
One of the updatiest updates tbh
Also like there are basically no bugs anymore
At least I haven't met any except from occasional minor visual glitches
mystic wave
woven breach
holy moly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOwkBS-H34Y
Really reminds me of this fight in KH3
https://youtu.be/hZwHi-Yq-Vg?si=aJEQNaI6QGDiw881
sand sleet
thrax 388 jefferson is the best car in cyberpunk 2077 change my mind
dull prawn
So much changed in cyberpunk 2.0
And the dlc is pretty good ~
ocean iris
I'm double jump leg person myself
unironically
my main method of transportation is dash, jump, double jump, air dash
and repeat basically spamming ctrl and space and W
sand sleet
Air dash is very fast for some reason now, I don't think it was like that before
rancid token
Jackie's bike is the best
I'm still bummed I got softlocked but I'm gonna be honest nothing in the game up to that point had been as engaging as the opening up to the ofrenda
sand sleet
my V
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870680987208667187/1168193775135363204/Screenshot_1789.png?ex=6550e03b&is=653e6b3b&hm=9a828d25b876664dc0474e003e839abad0a58b071889185a27488bdb49cba3fb&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870680987208667187/1168193775957463120/Screenshot_1833.png?ex=6550e03c&is=653e6b3c&hm=38c558f96c232f58b0f2a43629bd5b30fdce7cfbc4e86c72b1f374adc57ade2d&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870680987208667187/1168193772396482610/Screenshot_1819.png?ex=6550e03b&is=653e6b3b&hm=b563467239209819e1507cc1189457b42cc8ff87d031641806f967c0e7671c2f&
ocean iris
i think they got mods but yeah
why does V need to have a dying hairline when I dont irl
🙄
twin yarrow
someday i'll land my hands on cyberpunk, when i'll be sure my graphic card will not die in agony trying to run it
sand sleet
mad drip
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870680987208667187/1168243894333485066/Screenshot_1850.png?ex=65510ee9&is=653e99e9&hm=b80e9fe0c107ff0c4879a283cd7af2279c93c2a67433a2a0829cc35a6e369319&
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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870680987208667187/1168243893167472732/Screenshot_1844.png?ex=65510ee9&is=653e99e9&hm=82e07ba5a274b2bce7b3717e7104e211c390e75676141e2e95bc928ca5381485&
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/870680987208667187/1168243933571194900/Screenshot_1839.png?ex=65510ef2&is=653e99f2&hm=bd400c98c3c82576a814dc08214c9511a1e06035aab7958eb2d17a220cb9edc2&
with da caliburn
ocean iris
Nice nice
I gotta make a new character for real
Maybe that time I can roleplay as a netrunner instead of an all arounder
Id play as female this time but sadly I wont get to see Panam again as a love interest 😔
ocean iris
gentle cloak
What does this mean?
winter mica
finished wytchwood a few days ago and overall it's a game i really enjoyed but man is the ending anticlimactic
rustic falcon
:(
winter mica
it's such a beautiful and fun game but the ending is just like ||nothing is really wrapped up, it's just kind of done. the witch disappears and the maiden awakens and the goat runs off and the credits roll.||
tbh i'd still recommend people to play it because it is really enjoyable overall and the art is lovely
but they could've done better with the ending
ocean iris
What does this mean?
fallout 76 is better rated than starfield
gentle cloak
Ah
sand sleet
iirc fallout was the previous worst bethesda game
fathom juniper
fallout 76 is better rated than starfield
wait
THAT'S 76?
i thought that was fallout 4
ocean iris
nah
mystic wave
anyone play hyper demon? (warning FLASHING LIGHTS) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWIuUHBkyRE
next patio
fun mod that reworks the gem staffs backfired on me totally lmao
the spheres from the sapphire staff can break stuff, they go quite far and apparently hit a 2nd hive somewhere on the map
woven breach
This is so cute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFAY3O6L60E
hidden zephyr
Did someone play the Ascent? I am thinking about buying it for 2 years and i still can not decide.
sand sleet
So I tried the very hard mode in cyberpunk 2077 and it's actually pretty enjoyable
And not like super omega hard
Tho I think I also have a very good build
ocean iris
well, looks like im back into playing death stranding again
fathom juniper
OOOOOOHHHHH
i guess it's time to finally buy hellsinger
I TAKE THAT BACK
I CHANGED MY MIND
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVwy3uLKswE&ab_channel=PlayStation
i don't wanna buy hellsinger anymore
mystic wave
anyone play hyper demon? (warning FLASHING LIGHTS) https://www.youtube.com/watch...
@fathom juniper thoughts?
fathom juniper
oh i used to play a lot of devil daggers
hell - i even took part in a little community contest one streamer set up and put a game on the line confident that no one will beat his score in a week...
...i beat it in under 2 hours
anyways - this is just devil daggers 2
it's a great concept
but it's a game for a really small group of people
ocean iris
**I CHANGED MY MIND**
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVwy3uLKswE&ab_channel=Pla...
what's this?
they got paramore doe!
and gorillaz and depeche mode and disturbed
aw hell naw they chose some of the most mid songs
I personally despise Personal Jesus because it's overplayed
just give the game a steam workshop
fathom juniper
ok so...
the thing i'm about to post is so gory so disgusting it deserves a liveleak logo in the top left corner
i'm pretty sure this one link alone breaks like... 5 different server rules here
wait
it broke
ok so it's not gory or anything
it's just...
konami desecrating the corpse of the silent hill franchise... AGAIN
for like the... 5th time in the last two decades
seriously though
wtf am i even looking at?
this is so...
i don't even know how to describe this
can't even tell if this is real...
sand sleet
Phantom liberty is amazin
Dogtown is like uhh
It reminds me greatly of metro 2033 honestly
ocean iris
hybrid jetty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-7pHDxQli4&ab_channel=NewBloodInteractive
i'm just so confused why they keep doing song dlc instead of
actual levels to go with them?
like they came out with the Dream of The Beast dlc which has two insanely good songs but there's no level for them, you have to replace another level's music for it
which is annoying because hellsinger is incredibly fun!
ocean iris
actual levels to go with them?
like i said they should slap a steam workshop
fathom juniper
Oh yeah I’d love to sink my teeth into modding this game
I have a bit of a history with modding rhythm games
fathom juniper
https://youtu.be/KQ9WTLjkjO8?si=il7eqzDB243Pwtsq
They did my boi David dirty with that thumbnail
He looks… a bit drunk there
Come on, Konami
At least try taking a better picture
ocean iris
fathom juniper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/892605201578618940/1169303834695323668/IM...
dire condor
cult of the lamb, is it like hades?
dire saffron
Cult of the lamb is like half of it is taking care of the cultists and the hub and the other half is slow and easy
The combat wasn't that fun imo so I stopped playing it
I get why people like it, just not my kind if roguelike
dire condor
thanks for the warning
I prefer hades like games -- I like games made by 10tons (heard of em?)
dire saffron
Nope lol
sand sleet
I prefer hades like games -- I like games made by 10tons (heard of em?)
Ayyy another 10tons enjoyer, a rare sight to see
dire condor
Ayyy another 10tons enjoyer, a rare sight to see
Awesome. My fav by them is Neon Chrome.
But there's other games too they make.
sand sleet
Awesome. My fav by them is Neon Chrome.
Same, especially getting all the secret stuff was fun
It's a bit unbalanced that heavy rifle is so much more viable than anything else though
dire condor
yeah or the assasin is OP imo too
did you ever try skeletar avenger? seems modeled after hades
sand sleet
No, never heard of it
mystic wave
guys play zeroranger its so good
its pronounced zer oranger
theres lots of oranges in it
rotund umbra
cult of the lamb, is it like hades?
Only in that they're both roguelikes. The combat portion is much simpler than Hades, not as many mechanics and much shorter runs. The camp management is the bigger part of the game imo. They've done some big updates that added additional content in both the camp and combat portions though, so it has gotten better
I've enjoyed it
graceful galleon
lunacid looks interesting, throwback to King's Field, anyone played?
sand sleet
Is cyberpunk triple a
rotund umbra
absolutely
ocean iris
yeah it feels like a AA one XD
hybrid jetty
Is cyberpunk triple a
its one of the most AAA games ever made
ocean iris
Silent Hill Ascension (2023)
Also Sony should have cashed in with a SOCOM and Syphon Filter reboot
SOCOM being a hardcore tactical shooter in the ghost recon format and Syphon Filter like Splinter Cell
fathom juniper
SOCOM being a hardcore tactical shooter in the ghost recon format and Syphon Fil...
oh and speaking of old tacticool
did you hear that the new IGI game got canned?
ocean iris
ooooof
fathom juniper
10/10
they get it
in other news
some... actually good news!
it's been just a few days and mgs3 is already getting mods @ocean iris
widescreen hud fixes
4k resolution
better anizo and AA
reworked textures
gentle cloak
Those all sound like they should have been the devs job to do tbh
fathom juniper
fixed audio
upscaled textures
https://staticdelivery.nexusmods.com/mods/5825/images/14/14-1698459264-1561378989.jpeg
and a whole bunch of texture and model swaps
fathom juniper
Those all sound like they should have been the devs job to do tbh
oh yeah totally
but they didn't do it
so i'm not gonna pay them
simple as
im gonna buy the key off of some shady 3rd party reseller
gentle cloak
Nice
rotund umbra
Those all sound like they should have been the devs job to do tbh
Konami is adopting the bethesda approach
gentle cloak
Companies love making modders finish their game
fathom juniper
THIS GAME IS FINISHED
AND HAS BEEN SINCE 2005
they just messed it up
freaking konami
between this and the new silent hill ass-whatever
it feels like they skipped the early stages of their IP revival and jumped straight into end-game milking
gentle cloak
The original game is finished. The remaster isn't.
fathom juniper
HA!
gotcha again
it is
i'm literally holding a finished build in my hands
it's literally the HD collection build just ported to PC that got borked in the process
mystic wave
I heard japan was cracking down on pachinko or something. So konami just happen to remember that theyre a video game company
fathom juniper
ooooohhhh
that's interesting
which is... kind of a sequel to their downfall arc from a decade ago
cause one of the reasons why konami burned all their IPs to the ground and stopped making games was the CEOs bet ||yes - pun intended|| on...
the legislations that were supposed to legalize gambling passing
yes - this rabbit hole goes so deep it reaches politics, lobbying, gambling and passing (or at least - trying to pass) new laws
fathom juniper
I heard japan was cracking down on pachinko or something. So konami just happen ...
that's because konami isn't a video game company
they're also a video game company
among other things
mystic wave
True
fathom juniper
i mean - hell
this is from 2014
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1169928297002573874/image.png?ex=65572fa2&is=6544baa2&hm=5e1699d5d8ba677f54b2615aede129d4bbd13989335d22beda8de1fdbc93d4f8&
back when - you know - they were still kinda-sorta making new games
that was the era of mgs5 and stuff
viddy games fall under "digital entertainment" here
now that their revenue from videogaems hit an all-time low (i'm just assuming cause they haven't made anything in years - i haven't found any papers on that though) in the recent years
and now that they - at least according to what you're saying - can't bank on pachinkos and other forms of almost-but-not-quite gambling
well they have to make up that lost revenue somewhere
and re-releasing cheaply made collections of their most beloved franchises and banking on nostalgia is a safe bet
it's genius, really
they didn't make a "remaster" of a bunch of old games, as some claim
they just made a unity wrapper on the cheap that goes on top of already finished games and put it on modern platforms
just sit back, ignore people complaining that you didn't do even the bare minimum
watch the profits roll in (they may even be low, but they still will be magnitudes higher than what you've put into the production of this "thing")
and enjoy some nameless schmucks on the internet fixing what you messed up FOR FREE
hell - now that i'm thinking about it
this kinda-sorta explains why this new silent hill is such a crapshow
it's basically a...
series of pre-rendered cutscenes with microtransactions AND A FREAKING SEASON PASS
again - cheaply made with multiple ways of generating even more profits
winter mica
fathom juniper
it's not a crazy conspiracy theory though
although it is one alien shy from being one
on a completely unrelated topic
DAMN i love this new puter 
control with everything maxed out - including raytracing - runs at solid 60 at 1900/1200
...sure with DLSS on upscaled from 720p BUT STILL
yeah im gonna hook it up to my tv and play it properly this time
instead of suffering through that blurry, stuttery, 20fps mess of a ps4 port
it runs so bad
look at this mess
https://youtu.be/niQfeglwDZ4?t=1134
jesus christ
11 fps
mystic wave
this picture is actually me and everyone on voidstranger server
fathom juniper
a bit of a dollar store dante vibe
ocean iris
well
the hair is literally ripped from DMCV
from the files
same as V
(ironically)
and even Cliff Unger's hair from Death Stranding
jesus christ they got even Chris Redfields hair
EVEN CARLO'S
and Sam Bridges'
Good lord
fathom juniper
SCREW IT!
im uninstalling the game
you don't get to make that joke in post disney wars world, remedy 
0/10 into the trash it goes
twin yarrow
i don't get it
fathom juniper
i don't get it
i mean this
vale narwhal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226831135802392577/1170000753054728283/th...
This video has beautiful visual storytelling
rotund umbra
pretty sure Control did it first
next patio
Started playing this game through a friend and cuz it somewhat reminded me of Pyre
Already knew they were struggling keeping a player base but still 
At least is just no more new content ig
ocean iris
man I wish Quantic Dream made good games
rustic falcon
LOL
I got my friend DBH because I thought it would be funny to watch him play and my god I forgot it’s so Bad
ocean iris
i actually liked those games.....when i was 15
then i saw the cracks
i swear people should stop saying Kojima or Myiazaki are pretentious when David Cage exists
rustic falcon
My liking of dbh was extended to connor’s parts and nothing else
Like especially seeing it now
Markus story is racist as hell and like. Kinda weird in general even which is such a shame
And karas story is so pointless on so many levels
ocean iris
I might have a sliver of hope for Star Wars Eclipse mostly cause they got the SW IP which usually spawns interesting stories
actually no
rustic falcon
I’m convinced the only reason anyone cares about that game genuinely is because connor and hank’s relationship can be interpreted as romantic with shipping glasses on, and nothing else
ocean iris
if you want a good homoerotic story watch Point Break
😎
eitherway, perhaps I treated SH Downpour too harshly now that I saw SH Ascension more in depth
also im gonna rant more about quantic when i get more time later xd
stable kindle
I’m convinced the only reason anyone cares about that game genuinely is because ...
literally the only time i have ever seen any mention of the game since its release is bc of shipping, it did not exist in convo otherwise, other than the few times smth went viral for calling out how awful the game was
rustic falcon
I went on a binge of watching two best friends play all david cage and it was hilarious
I never finished omikron though
fathom juniper
I’m convinced the only reason anyone cares about that game genuinely is because ...
FUN FACT!
most of those little mannerisms were actually improvised
and everyone liked it (like that little wink connor does) BESIDES david cage
and they had to really fight to keep this in
rustic falcon
I know I was in the dbh trenches
fathom juniper
like
david cage is the biggest thing holding this company back
god bless your soul
also - i will never forget this... absolutely childish temper tantrum cage had in a court room
i'm still trying to convince my buddy to buy this game
so we could suffer through it together while getting drunk and crapping all over it
cause quantic dream games are entertaining
...just...
for all the wrong reasons
ocean iris
JASON
sand sleet
The headsman in syberpunk is just a worse nekomata tbh
Cyberpunk
Damn syberpunk looks cool as a word
ocean iris
I am collecting Iconics like pokemons
My favorites are probably the Chainsword XMod2, Errata, Witcher Sword, Guillotine, Guts, Her Majesty
sand sleet
I have like 20 but I didn't try to collect all of them yet
sand sleet
My favorites are probably the Chainsword XMod2, Errata, Witcher Sword, Guillotin...
Errata is awesome
ocean iris
You can get a Gwent pistol and Gerald's sword through amazon prime but nobody does that so I used the console to give them myself
🖕 amazon
sand sleet
it's cool there are iconic implants now that aren't operating system
Also one of the new weapons that I really really really like is raiju
ocean iris
Overclock mode
sand sleet
Literally zero recoil
ocean iris
Also one of the new weapons that I really really really like is raiju
yesss
it as a concept is great
cause it's supossed to be a fashion accessory
the main variants at least
the raiju is an iconic variant of that gun
sand sleet
The sights kinds suck tho tbh
I want there to be an iconic shigure so much
Wait what the hell I just noticed my fenrir is electric???
twin yarrow
literally the only time i have ever seen any mention of the game since its relea...
TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS!!
you didn't want to leave him a chance, huh?
im thankful for this meme. it's the biggest investment the game made in the world culture.
sand sleet
I feel so cool driving around in a hellhound
mystic wave
this video is amazing https://store.steampowered.com/app/2558630/Resident_Fear__Redistribution/
legendary voice acting
fathom juniper
TWENTY EIGHT STAB WOUNDS!!
you didn't want to leave him a chance, huh?
slams desk
cranks up volume by 20db
TWENTY EIGHT
rustic falcon
I remember the Carl “oh my god” meme that one was good
fathom juniper
carl?
who's carl?
https://tenor.com/view/twd-the-walking-dead-walking-dead-carl-andrew-lincoln-gif-3852951221802140863
rustic falcon
the old man in markus’ story
fathom juniper
oooooh
the painter
fathom juniper
well someone's check clearly bounced
ocean iris
this is insanely satisfying
because the MW series is some of the most disgusting revisionist power fantasy
the new MW trilogy I mean
clear python
i literally had to ask a friend because apparently there are two mw trilogies but one is with roman numerals and there are also remakes of mw and mw2???
fathom juniper
let's not forget that modern warfare is still technically a call of duty spinoff
so we've had a game
that got a spinoff game
which then turned into a trilogy
which then got rematered
then it got a reboot
then this reboot turned into a yet another trilogy
surely this plot is so layered and complex it needed 9 ducking games to tell
i repeat
NINE!
at this point final fantasy was ending it's third generation of consoles - the ps1
i'm
clear python
modern military fps are very story-heavy (i fell through an elevator in bf4)
rotund umbra
for me the more egregious thing is now MW apparently turned into basically fortnite where they have Lilith and Imperius running around?
when I remember the first MW that is quite a whiplash
fathom juniper
i swear to god - the dialogue system in this game is sentient
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226831135802392577/1170112173020811405/mold.mp4?ex=6557dae1&is=654565e1&hm=9be0afe587a6b9edd50219ea8eba20def61c1e6b0bc1dd88dda1c72af1d74253&
no - i did not listen
and no - i don't even know why i asked
twin yarrow
my friends never listen to me, they just keep pressing X...
fathom juniper
yeah ok
we gotta talk about this
how is this allowed?
like - i watched a review that mentioned about one big moment that had something to do with music
and then my recommended vids section got flooded with vids like this one
with thumbnails that have just... massive spoilers in them
youtube really should add some counter measures against spoilers
ocean iris
https://youtu.be/YNCoVqzgrZA?si=S6LxNJJXC2l82lxA
im sorry but i have no interest in alan wake 2 but this is so sick
dire condor
spiritfall any good?
sand sleet
It feels weird that night city has such many distinct regions while being really not that big
fathom juniper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138255880647872583/1170139276349018173/1...
well - while this isn't exactly how douglas looks in game
i mean - just look at the collar, or his fingers - this ain't running in engine in real time
ps2-era team silent still dabs all over... most modern character models
fathom juniper
dude
this pic isn't from the game
it's a separate render
here i'll prove it to you with pictures in about 30 seconds
here's a screencap from the actual game
look at the textures
the collar
lighting
the beard
that pic you posted was either rendered outside the game with a different asset or photoshopped to hell and back
or both
case closed
twin yarrow
in 2003 not all the games yet had opening mouths of the models, not even speaking of lipsync
also it's kinda unfair to compare phototextures with dynamic skin that is supposed to be changed into any possible color humanity is supposed to have in space era
fathom juniper
is it?
is it really?
cause i could swear there's a lot of older character creation systems that can produce way more detailed results than what starfield is doing
this excuse sounds especially weak considering how starfields... Madame Tussauds-tier NPCs still look really samey
i mean - hell
if all this tech and horsepower behind it still produces faces that still aren't even half a step above fallout 3 then...
what's the point?
PBR was a mistake
twin yarrow
back in the day skin variants were made by scanning real people, now.. i have no idea what's wrong
except for obvious little to no effort made by those who were supposed to populate starfield planets
even in star citizen character creator can produce believeable portraits, despite being super strange and janky
jagged tide
50 minutes…
fathom juniper
yeah there's A LOT
twin yarrow
so i can already tell that things were manageable when it was about real life weapons who managed to live to the day, and as soon as they had to use creativity..
fathom juniper
oh those guns sure are creative
they have a creative approach to...
physics
logic
and even its own lore
BUT ANYWAYS
hands down my fave quest in the entire game
also ||esseJ|| looks like anakin skywalker there
wise cedar
I had a dream about the Aigaion fight in AC6
you could hack the gyges and fly them remotely
mystic wave
i wanna play that
ocean iris
wise cedar
does anyone know if my time at sandrock fixes the issues with my time at portia, namely the writing?
rustic falcon
LOL, i didnt even register it. thanks 
fathom juniper
folks
i need some help
am i just some old boomer that's losing touch with the world, or...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/226831135802392577/1170427425608437990/image.png?ex=6559007b&is=65468b7b&hm=3ffda45789e5342c44dc0c743f94e352b87b1c22a8bb3264fc375c56713876fe&
is this just a typo?
"Coffe Soap"?
clear python
probably an scp
fathom juniper
hang on lemme google that
well i guess i'm a boomer then
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eECLOAlDbw
it's actually a thing
mystic wave
so does that place sell soap or does it sell coffee
fathom juniper
fallen sky
coffee grounds make for a great exfoliant + the caffeine stimulates blood flow
makes sense
fathom juniper
stimulates poop flow too
fathom juniper
so...
i finally managed to beat the level 3 expedition in control
which... wasn't really doable for me on the ps4
not at it's silky smooth 15 frames per second
i always really wanted to do it cause it unlocks a new outfit
i was super pumped
i quickly ran to the exec floor to change, aaaaand...
it looks like garbage
this was a massive waste of time
dollar store vault suit
alright, blizzard
https://vxtwitter.com/OWCavalry/status/1720595488507077048
what sort of human rights violation did you commit this time?
i bet they had this picture locked up in this red case labeled "in case of controversy - break open"
so i guess now i have to look up what sort of controversy they got cooked up for us
rotund umbra
most of the outfits in Control are pretty meh, the asynchronous one is cool af though
tame veldt
what sort of human rights violation did you commit this time?
you're making this a problem when its not
why cant a character be nonbinary ?
fathom juniper
oh im not saying they can't
i'm saying blizzard has a history and i don't trust them with...
well - anything
tame veldt
i think you're confusing the devs and designers with a megacorporation
fathom juniper
no im not
ocean iris
fathom juniper
most of the outfits in Control are pretty meh, the asynchronous one is cool af t...
nah i think most of them are cool, actually
the gold suit is cool
assistant is pretty cool, director's suit is like a badge of honor
janitor's assistant is goofy and asynchronous is just... top tier
ocean iris
i think you're confusing the devs and designers with a megacorporation
they seem to release inclusive characters as a smokescreen rather than actually representing people
fathom juniper
and now i'm looking at the wiki and there's more cool outfits there...
...and they're all pre-order bonuses 
tame veldt
they seem to release inclusive characters as a smokescreen rather than actually ...
overwatch has always been gay asf. i think its weird that when they release a nonbinary characters thats the final straw
either way its a nonissue
ocean iris
Not that the first things were unwarranted they just like to time it right
And as in representation that's cool I guess, yay a new champion, now a story about identity and being nonbinary and actually shining light upon this way of being when
You can always make a game based on heroes that is PVP only and just slap various labels on them and maybe a wall of text of backstory but when will AAA gaming actually explore this in a compelling way, maybe it can open other's minds about how some people feel about the gender binary
tame veldt
thats a far better criticism taht i would agree with than "aww they dun it again they added gay people to my video game >:3"
fathom juniper
i rarely agree with you, but this time
yeah - i do
sand sleet
coffee grounds make for a great exfoliant + the caffeine stimulates blood flow
yeah stimulates blood flow in my nose
wait does the blood go to the nose if you smell something strong and nice?
fathom juniper
the way AAA gaming treats sexual orientation and gender issues and what not feels disingenuous at best
bioware uses it as a bulletpoint
a thing to slap on the box to sell you the game
and blizzard uses it as a smoke screen
a way of getting back some of the PR points it's constantly losing
sand sleet
the problem with lgbt representation is that there's not enough of it
tame veldt
the way AAA gaming treats sexual orientation and gender issues and what not feel...
but the way you worded it made you seem upset that they added a queer person at all
if they add one its a smokescreen, if they dont there;s a lack of representation
ocean iris
thats a far better criticism taht i would agree with than "aww they dun it again...
The thing is they wouldnt have that were it not for ESG funds which I know sounds conspiracey, but bear with me, they'd represent people but naturally were it not for those requirments for more funds. So yeah, I think we need a game like Disco Elysium that finely threads identity and such subjects in a way it doesnt throw off most normal people
People are scared and thrown off by identity and gender because they dont understand it, and it's a bit too much for people to indulge without saying THEY DUN MADE THE FROGS GAY
fathom juniper
but the way you worded it made you seem upset that they added a queer person at ...
well then if that's the case then im sorry
didn't mean for it to sound like that
tame veldt
i also think its further disingenuous to see queer people used exclusively as pr stunts
ocean iris
Well sadly that is happening
fathom juniper
i also think its further disingenuous to see queer people used exclusively as pr...
yes
thank you
i've been ranting about this since...
god - mass effect 3 days?
ocean iris
I may be the uncle ruckus of queers at times but god daaaaamn I need rights and acceptance not mere cameos in AAA releases
lofty pecan
i also think its further disingenuous to see queer people used exclusively as pr...
i mean with blizzard its prolly the case they blocked pride month stuff from being featured in poland & other countries
fathom juniper
or was it 2 i don't remember anymore
sand sleet
i also think its further disingenuous to see queer people used exclusively as pr...
yeah the pr team aren't the only ones making decisions
ocean iris
i mean with blizzard its prolly the case they blocked pride month stuff from bei...
Poland? Nah thats crazy
But I aint getting into this
Anyways video games
Um, woman protag bad guys amirite?
What else, COD good?
sand sleet
insert gamer words or smth
fathom juniper
ocean iris
insert gamer words or smth
😭
sand sleet
What else, COD good?
mains of character I don't like bad mains of character I like good
fathom juniper
What else, COD good?
OH YEAH - didn't they add the doom 2 SSG to warzone recently?
fathom juniper
iunno i don't play cods but i've seen a vid of someone running with a double barrel and it had that classic 6 frame reloading animation and everyone was like OOOOH LOOK AT THIS CHEATER OH LOOK HE'S LAGGING!
ocean iris
AAA wise at least
fathom juniper
The FPS genre needs to burn down then have a rennaisance
mate it's already happening
just not in the AAA sphere
sand sleet
I should try to download warzone again(it didn't download when it released), never tried a cod game, gotta try at least one
fathom juniper
yeah buy a new drive for it
ocean iris
Titanfall 3 needs to happen and mop the floor with other AAA shooters
sand sleet
mate it's already happening
it's more of a rot down
fathom juniper
it's like... a bazilion gigs
sand sleet
although cyberpunk 2077 is a fps isn't it
ocean iris
Do we not remember how Halo Infinite, COD Vanguard and BF2042 released and they all sucked
ocean iris
although cyberpunk 2077 is a fps isn't it
I meant multiplayer
Also it's more of an RPG
fathom juniper
ah
sand sleet
I meant multiplayer
yeah that's true
multiplayer fps are mostly just insanely boring
although enlisted is nice
ocean iris
https://vxtwitter.com/Theswweet/status/1720859453552279877?s=20
I swear if they remove the aspect that those monsters are spawn of James' imagination, Im gonna cry
Tho its gonna happen cause they said O R I G I N story for pyramid head
jesus christ, when will suits learn that pyramid head is a manifestation of James' sexual frustration!!!!
We live in an epidemic of taking everything at face value
fathom juniper
@ocean iris mate
do you have a delorean, by any chance?
or some other time machine
ocean iris
Nah
fathom juniper
cause i could swear i've seen this one
twice
it's a classic
we've been here before
more than once
ocean iris
which part?