video-games

[woven breach]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[clear python]

no new shields?? :(

[wise cedar]

Honestly, at this point I'm surprised that they even have as much of a game as the D4 beta has.

actiblizzion seems to have given up on making games

[sand sleet]

SAME
Hots was extremely enjoyable but I tried dota 2 and league of legends and they SUCK

[wise cedar]

I liked HotS because the loop time meant that 45 minutes was a long game

whereas dota 45 minutes is like, my average

also Probius, my boi

:<

[rotund umbra]

same, one game for me on avg was like 30-35 minutes but when I tried Dota I tried only few games but they all approached 60 minutes and that is just torture to me

[sand sleet]

Also, I didn't know it was put into maintenance mode, couple months ago I downloaded again but waited for like an hour for a game and didn't found any and deleted it

[rotund umbra]

also I liked the team mechanics, in both LoL and Dota you're kind competing against your own team too and that also put me off

[wise cedar]

dota's complexity frontier expanded a lot in this last patch and now teamfights are just glitterbarfs

[rotund umbra]

first they cut the development team by like over a half so they slowed down the content by a lot, and then some time later they stopped development completely

at peak it used to be like one new hero per month or two, then after the first slash it was like 3 heroes per year

and after mei they stopped

[sand sleet]

I mained zul'jin

Biggest turn offs of dota and league for me were that there are for some reason items with like 1-3% buffs I hate mechanics like that and also probably the biggest is that the cooldowns are way too long

[wise cedar]

I also liked yrel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvffWwNXnPs

[sand sleet]

Same

[rotund umbra]

Yrel was great

also Garrosh

chucking people around

loved it

[sand sleet]

That's why I like hots and overwatch, no bs long cooldowns

[wise cedar]

In dota I like heroes that either have or get a lot of mobility and then have a lot of stuns and survivability

and yrel was that in spades

[rotund umbra]

I remember that video, damn that brought some feels

Carbot also had great videos

that Varian one

chef's kiss

[wise cedar]

I suddenly realize

that

heroes that either have or get a lot of mobility and then have a lot of stuns and survivability
applies to my favorite characters in overwatch too

do I have a type?

[sand sleet]

Also lunara artanis diablo and like a dozen heroes were very enjoyable to play

[rotund umbra]

Malthael was one of my favorites

[wise cedar]

Artanis was also fun for me

[sand sleet]

Tbh there were very little heroes that I tried and didn't like
Probably only healers
Although kharazim is fun

[sand sleet]

Crowd control tank ig

[rotund umbra]

whops

My absolute favorite one was the siege tank one, they did mess her up a bit in one of the reworks but in her peak times I loved her

[wise cedar]

Initiator tank crowd control

tank can be evasiveness

because god damn do I love playing puck

[sand sleet]

Siege tank was one of the heroes I wanted to play but didn't get to unlock

[rotund umbra]

mistake

[wise cedar]

I think I liked playing probius because A)NB gender euphoria A) cute smol lil guy and B) lol, you just got exploded by the cute smol lil guy

[rotund umbra]

in fact I enjoyed a lot of the specialist heroes like Zagara and even Murky, some of them were super hard to play though like Vikings

never learned Vikings

Probius was one of those I didn't learn much

[wise cedar]

the key to probius was just being able to set up a skillshot and not die

[rotund umbra]

yeah I suck at that

[sand sleet]

The shaman guy was great because froge

[wise cedar]

I gotta hit the gym but this has been fun

[rotund umbra]

I was great at dodging and running away once people came for me, and I loved just pushing my lane until they came

Zagara with Nydus worms was OP af

teleport across map

push three lanes all by myself

[wise cedar]

Holy frig, why didn't they just combine the warp rift with the building warp ins?

Have the proto buildings have the aoe slow and the ability to be detonated.

[sand sleet]

Zul Jin was always my favorite tho, just insane damage and you have a ranged slow ability so nobody can escape and you can heal up very very fast, and even though you lose health when you attack the only counter is being outnumbered by a lot, you can still win even a 3 on 1 though with the wrong heroes attacking you, or if you encounter someone with stun that's a problem, stun is the only counter to zul jin, he's somewhat fragile

[rotund umbra]

Zuljin was too hard for me on normal matches but on the special one lane ones I would absolutely demolish with him

same with something like Butcher

[sand sleet]

Zul jin + a burst healer + something to get out of the fight if crowd control arrives is the ultimate composition

[rotund umbra]

imho the most fun was messing with enemy players, pulling them into towers and such, so like with Garrosh or Stitches just carry them behind the gate and watch them panik

[sand sleet]

I think some heroes had like a teleport of allies but tbh a mass stun ability would work as well

[rotund umbra]

Medivh had gates

not sure if someone had direct teleport

it's been too long since I played

[sand sleet]

Tbh with stun you could just kill the enemy instead of retreating probably

Zul Jin doesn't hit like a truck he hits like a goddamn freight train

[twin yarrow]

• It is wednesday, my dudes
  ...
• HAAIIAAH
  (slaps 5 massive toads in yo face)

specialists were great when they existed back in the day

i've never understood how to damage, i used to bring more profit to the team by absorbing or healing it, but specialists were something else

[potent tide]

Gamers, how do you keep track of what games you've played?

[rotund umbra]

I don't

[potent tide]

When you have games on steam, gog, epic games, third party launchers, etc.

[rotund umbra]

if it's on steam I leave them in favorites but otherwise I don't really care

[clear python]

you could try joining the backloggd.com cult

[potent tide]

I don't like cults

[clear python]

damn

[rotund umbra]

not even the lamb one?

[potent tide]

The website looks decent tho

[clear python]

Bioshock reference???????

[potent tide]

I have yet to play that

[rotund umbra]

there was big update recently, I'd recommend it

afaik they are planning another big one some time in the future

[sand sleet]

That would be too much trouble considering overwhelming majority of games I play I play not on any platform like steam or gog or something so there are zero records

[stable kindle]

oh my god i can't believe i forgot about the warcraft reforged incident, yeah add that one to the list too

[rustic falcon]

backloggd is a very nice website, though you have to input every game manually

[signal kayak]

More like refunded, amirite?

[potent tide]

Yeah these PlayStation exclusives are hard to keep track of

[sand sleet]

i dont own a console

[potent tide]

Wait so you're saying you sail the seven seas?

[potent tide]

Does it show stats on how many hours you spend gaming

[rustic falcon]

no, you have to manually input your playtime if youre so inclined

i didnt do it

[hybrid jetty]

hots mentioned

i was a devout abathur (and deathwing) main

tried both league and dota, could never find someone to scratch that itch + the games are too long + last hitting sucks

[rustic falcon]

i only played hots to get some overwatch skins, but then they got added to the game normally later so i couldve just waited

[hybrid jetty]

that's why I initially started playing it lol
wasn't even skins for characters I played smh

[rustic falcon]

i played some dva back in the day

and the genji skin was just cool

but now i pretty much exclusively play mercy bc it requires no aim for the most part

[wise cedar]

#whysymmetrawasgood

[rustic falcon]

trueee

[wise cedar]

reinhardt was my boi tho

[rustic falcon]

i played so much symmetra she was my favorite character

i played when she was still support :((

[dire condor]

lmaoo same here

[stable kindle]

mfw never bought reforged but still got locked out of true classic wc3 anyway bc they updated the old client with the new one with missing features

[signal kayak]

Wonder if there's a way to get the old stuff back

[stable kindle]

unless blizzard reverted the client or readded what they took out at any point in the past couple years, probably not

[lofty pecan]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/429651832374165512/1108445134007304262/Screen_Shot_2023-05-17_at_10.25.06_AM.png?width=952&height=940

😬

guess im back to waiting for armored core,,,

[clear python]

Noooo, my nemesis!!!! (Though that one is moira now)

[rustic falcon]

moira is so difficult to deal with

[sand sleet]

family tradition

yes

I learned to pirate games before I learned you could buy them lmao

[twin yarrow]

in the memory
basically, when i see a game, i'm like "oh, i've played this" or "hm, never played this"
i can make such a list, but first i have to look through the list of all the games ever

[twin yarrow]

oh come on

[sand sleet]

Oh yeah same

[wise cedar]

Requesting a life-sim game a la Littlewood but with actually good writing that deals with all the trauma responses that comes from being the returned hero and/or redeemed villain

[mystic wave]

wow thats...specific

dont know many life sims but do they usually have that much writing

[wise cedar]

They could if they weren't cowards D:

[warm widget]

Does anyone know of games like the witcher 3 for Xbox

[sand sleet]

the building mechanic of new zelda has convinced me to play it
does botw have something cool like that in it?

[wise cedar]

not as such, no

it has the ability to stack boxes on top of stuff

[sand sleet]

wait its only on switch?
aw

[tame veldt]

emulate it if you can run it

[sand sleet]

how do i emulate

[tame veldt]

yuzu

[sand sleet]

is using the mouse possible

[wise cedar]

not really

[tame veldt]

idk

[wise cedar]

I'm sure its not impossible

[tame veldt]

there's prolly a mod/patch

[wise cedar]

but its not something super native to the app

[sand sleet]

playing games without a mouse especially 3d ones is miserable

[tame veldt]

just adapt

[sand sleet]

nah trying to move the camera without a mouse is impossible

[rotund umbra]

some emulators have mouse capabilites but can't speak to switch/zelda specifically as I haven't tried that

[sand sleet]

aarrgh its all so complicated at least theres like 50 pages of discussion on the tracker comments so ill probably able to fix any issues that arise

[ocean iris]

Damn why so many Zelda games got perfect scores from Famitsu

The Nintendo bonus is so real but at least they know their stuff cause they gave perfect scores as well to: Nintendogs, MGS4, Bayonetta, MGSPW, Yakuza 5, MGSV, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima

[hybrid jetty]

it was fun to be excited for this for that brief afternoon

[hybrid jetty]

being very good games probably helps

[ocean iris]

Speak of the devil Death Stranding is free again

[sand sleet]

I may actually play it tbh, I'm not interested in it enough to search for it and download it but egs just gives me it so may try

Probably not though

[ocean iris]

director's cut upgrade for the game is only 4 bucks or so on epic games

so you really only pay 4 euros for the whole experience

[sand sleet]

i mean i cant buy anything anyway

cuz of swift and companies blocking transactions from or into russia ig

[sand sleet]

Why are starcraft terran anti air flying units are so attractive 🥺

[fervent spruce]

silksong in q2 of 2023 copium 🤡

https://tenor.com/view/hollow-knight-silksong-hollow-knight-silksong-news-silksong-news-gif-24830625

[wise cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAj-QrxINPg

[rotund umbra]

you mean banshees?

like

the pilots?

or the aircraft????

[mystic wave]

just saw first person mod for witcher 3. anyone tried it?

looks cool https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNe3T64wn58

[woven breach]

Good luck fighting ||deathlaff|| with this on

dude be zoomin'

[sand sleet]

?
Banshees can't even attack air
I meant valkyries and vikings

[sand sleet]

Pilots but in case of viking aircraft also ig

[rotund umbra]

oh right

I'm mostly used to sc2 so I had to look up what even Valkyrie is

Vikings seem like just normal dudes

the planes are cool tho

[ocean iris]

damn this seems like mordhau x MGR

[ocean iris]

only now the Nexus mod removal thing is affecting me

why were modders so sensitive to their mods being permanent on the website, instead backing down and just removing them screwing over every single mod that was built upon it

[dire condor]

vampire survivors is on android?!?! im jonesing for a switch release ong

[sand sleet]

started hollow knight

very cool and cute

so far been easy

how do i unlock wall jump tho

[tribal lotus]

actually… there is news, and the news is. not gonna happen in h1 2023… https://twitter.com/griffinmatta/status/1656106351184199680

Matthew Griffin (@griffinmatta)

Hey gang, just a quick update about Silksong.

We had planned to release in the 1st half of 2023, but development is still continuing. We're excited by how the game is shaping up, and it's gotten quite big, so we want to take the time to make the game as good as we can.

Expect…

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Twitter · May 10, 2023, 1:18 AM

[lavish jolt]

Anyone here able to weigh in on "Wizard of Legend" game, and if you think it's enjoyable if you liked Hades, and could describe what I should expect if I get it? I hear some on youtube say it's awesome, but general reviews seem meh.

@sand sleet and @alpine sluice @lilac adder Did you guys like Wizard of Legend?

[sand sleet]

yes its awesome

[sand sleet]

well basically theres a lot of different spells so you can play a lot of different builds and basically its biggest strengths is that the gameplay is pretty fluid and enjoyable and theres a lot of playstyles to try but dont expect any lore at all

its also just pretty

if you like pixel graphics ofc

[wise cedar]

Its got no real story and if it has a soundtrack I turned it off early into the game to listen to my own music, so I can't tell you how good it is.

That being said, its fun

I get stuck in a rut of "use the same spells all the time"

[sand sleet]

not like ori and the forest level pretty but pretty nevertheless

[sand sleet]

i used like half of the spells probably

[lavish jolt]

yeah i'm fine with it being mostly gameplay, so you like it?

[sand sleet]

yeah

[sand sleet]

i liked the soundtrack a lot

[lavish jolt]

k, it's on sale right now for $4.80, felt like if it's good it be worth the download

i won't be able to play it much, got a lot on my plate to finish in my switch lol

[sand sleet]

didnt unlock a lot still, i got a new pc and didnt play it on it yet so yeah

im gonna install it again and unlock everything

[wise cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/516763813790482464/1109148652104061068/image.png?width=614&height=207

[lavish jolt]

what hooked you?

[wise cedar]

I like the movement

I like games with quick dashes

the dashes in hades have too much recoil

I think

oh and there's run, but if you run for like a few seconds you start dashing

its really good

[lavish jolt]

i heard no iframes, was that hard to get used to?

[wise cedar]

that's a lie

[lavish jolt]

I also heard you can get stagger locked ,which looks kinda frustrating

[wise cedar]

There are iframes

you just have to find them 😛

[lavish jolt]

but you can't dash thru attacks can you? or can you?

[sand sleet]

yeah

at least i think you can

[wise cedar]

there are dashes that will let you

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516763813790482464/1109149675950452836/image.png

this is my go-to build

its basically all i-frames

the water dash gives you a shield and eats projectiles in front of you, the zephyr will make you dodge attacks as long as you're moving, and you're invulnerable through the entire signature

[lavish jolt]

does in game descriptions help you understand each spell's effects, or is it pure experimentation?

[wise cedar]

I think so?

eh

it can

but experimentation is really the only way to get a good grip on what things do

[sand sleet]

my favorite was always berserk with ice dagger

[sand sleet]

i unlocked dash lessgo

[sand sleet]

just lost almost 1000 money cuz i died twice

wtf

very depressing

[lilac adder]

It is extremely awesome

If you like fast paced roguelikes, wizard of legend is a must-buy

(To be honest I kinda like the combat better in wiz than I do in Hades simply because there's way way more weapon options in wiz)

Only thing you need to keep in mind is that story is non-existent lol
Which isn't something that bothers me in a roguelike, but for some people it does

[lavish jolt]

hades has best story in roguelikes by leaps... hard to compare. Hades has a fun story for games that are based on story

[lofty pecan]

wizard of legend enemies/levels kinda repetitive even more so than the usual roguelike

also more difficult than hades, i never got past the second boss :(

[wise cedar]

I can share the key to defeating all the bosses, if you want

its pretty easy to say, and less easy, but not super challenging to perform

||all of the bosses with the exception(I think) of the last boss will do 3 attacks then sit still for a second, that second you hit them they'll get in a stun state that will let you hit them some more, unload as much as possible during this time to extend the stunned state. The pinata uses a similar mechanism and is good practice. The vast majority of attacks wont hit a player in a dash state. Other than that its just knowing which attacks do what. By dash state I mean in the sprinting state when you run for a bit and go faster||

[lofty pecan]

o okii makes sense ty, i think i didnt take advantage of iframes then

[wise cedar]

wait, did you mean boss boss or like, the guys at the end of each level not the elemental leader dudes/

[alpine sluice]

I love it

It’s one of my favorite games and I love to play Neve builds. It’s when you need to put all your time into one single element

[lofty pecan]

the earth elemental leader boss who shot tree roots out

[sand sleet]

unlocked wall jump

timing is weird

[ocean iris]

Did I tell anyone Metro Last Light is free on Steam

[alpine sluice]

If you love playing games witha lot of depth to it, you'll love this one

[lavish jolt]

I'm very tempted, and $5 seems cheap to enter... but I'm nervous. I couldn't get into deadcells, the rhythm I couldn't get right, and so I just can't get into it, but I love hades, can do 20-30 heat without god mode.

[alpine sluice]

I would recommend it if you love playing around all sorts of elemental magic

[sand sleet]

finally encountered a boss in hollow knight that takes me double digits attempts

mantis lords

theyre cool af tho

[wise cedar]

mantis lords were my fave

I don't know what it is about their little harpsichord theme but I love it

[next patio]

Mantis Lords theme my beloved

[sand sleet]

i hate the low shiny spinny attack

yeeeee i beat them

[acoustic jacinth]

i really liked their combat. felt like a dance. and their theme is one of the best

[lavish jolt]

@sand sleet @wise cedar @alpine sluice speaking of WoL, I just saw the trailer for WoL 2 dropped like a day ago... so weird the coincidence... but it looks very different. 3d hi rez isometric instead of pixel

[wise cedar]

Is it gearbox? Does it look like risk of rain 2?

[ocean iris]

I may be dumb but I just noticed

MGS always had the Tactical Espionage Action subtitle

until Peacewalker

Peacewalker, GZ and TPP adopted the Tactical Espionage Operations subtitle which is really suiting ngl

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/940357311543791629/1109225087380500583/image.png

[lofty pecan]

it’s a different dev than the first one i think so different look

[lavish jolt]

you could look it up , see if it looks good, it looks really different

[lavish jolt]

that sounds risky

[sand sleet]

why does soul master have a morbillion phases 💀

[sand sleet]

mmmm trailer doesnt look too good, animations are way too slow and clunky

[lavish jolt]

yeah seemed slower than pixel wol

[sand sleet]

this specific cartoonish 3d style is always like that

it looks like magicka 2 but worse rn

i hope the devs will make at least something decent

[alpine sluice]

I feel like it would look better if they touched it up

[sand sleet]

playing enlisted and i got the best sniper badge for like 6th game in a row

guess im good at sniping

and it only makes me feel better that theres literally no kind of rank based matchmaking whatsoever

[ocean iris]

Just started Hitman 2016

I finally fiinished the Showstopper mission without any restarts and little to no savescumming

hehe

[clear python]

i love savescumming so much

[ocean iris]

The new Dead Space 90 min trial is a huge win for Steam if they can get developers to implement it in more games.

[austere fable]

Anyone here plays sea of thieves?

[fathom juniper]

NINE
Y E A R S !

https://tenor.com/view/savingprivateryan-ww2-old-soldier-matt-damon-gif-4203998

christ almighty, my back pains

my crunchy knees

[fallen sky]

https://twitter.com/UnseenJapanSite/status/1659551424517398529

Unseen Japan (@UnseenJapanSite)

In what may be the first case of its kind, YouTuber Yoshida Shinobu was arrested for posting unauthorized play footage of a new Steins;Gate game. Its creator NITRO PLUS explicitly forbids posting play footage so as not to leak spoilers.

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Twitter · May 19, 2023, 1:27 PM

Not sure if this was posted earlier

@ionic breach for you as well

It's just so wild to see where steins;gate has headed after all this time

[ocean iris]

i just finished MGS2

good LORD.

[wise cedar]

anyone here play dota on USW

I wanna play dota with nice people

and/or know good places to find nice people who play dota on USW

I used to find folks by playing dota but playing dota without nice folks to find nice folks sounds too taxing

[polar dragon]

what is USW?

[wise cedar]

US west

the server that I have the least ping to

[signal kayak]

nice people
dota
Pick one

[fathom juniper]

goddamn volatiles
https://youtu.be/g8psb8LZadA

that's what i get for grinding combat XP by trying to funnel everyone through a narrow chokepoint

[ocean iris]

Im getting my ass handed to me in MGO2

[fathom juniper]

YOU'RE PLAYING MGO2!?

what sort of time machine do you have?

and where do i get one?

[ocean iris]

It aint that bad lol

it's a custom client

[fathom juniper]

dude im so jealous right now

i always wanted to play MGO2

and MGO1, while we're at it

[ocean iris]

what kinda PC you got?

[fathom juniper]

a burnt one

she's gone, mate

gone to greener pastures

[ionic breach]

oh wow, arrested huh 😬

[fathom juniper]

i'm stuck with a spielstation vier right now

[fallen sky]

A dramatic step-up from being on the verge of bankruptcy

[fathom juniper]

who?
me?

[fallen sky]

🫣

[ocean iris]

RIP.

[fathom juniper]

goddamn paperweight of a console

[ocean iris]

i wish i could play the base MGS4

[fathom juniper]

you never played it?

[ocean iris]

I cant

It's impossible to run

[fathom juniper]

b-but MGO2 isn't?

what

they're running on the same engine

it's the same game

[ocean iris]

Yes but I have no idea either.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1109939226281246921/image.png?width=636&height=676

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1109939276537409706/image.png

I've seen things....

[fathom juniper]

literally

[ocean iris]

How the hell so many people are playing MGSV yet I barely find MGO3 players

nvm I get it why

I just joined a match and already got stunned by a guy in a Walk Gear

[fathom juniper]

i, uh...
i'll be frank - the multiplayer aspect of V was the only thing i was interested in

no the MGO, but the thing where you can raid other bases
and defend yours

[ocean iris]

ah yes

i remember being invaded once

[fathom juniper]

but then shortly before i got into the game i heard from numerous places that this mode... wasn't in the best shape

[ocean iris]

and the guy just kept CQC-ing me, I was at his mercy lmao

[fathom juniper]

full of cheaters and with almost no balance at all

so i just stayed with the singleplayer

which... after finishing all metal gear games - in order - multiple times
was just...

[ocean iris]

so MGO3 has a survival mode

but idk what it consists of

Yeah I cant find much

It's a shame about the entirety of MGSV, MGS never played this well

We truly live in the worst timeline

I bet the japanese servers for the MGO entries were all great, there's a big charm to early online japanese games

[fathom juniper]

i respectfully disagree

oh sure - it might move faster
controls are silky smooth and such

but we live in a world where MGS3 exists
which might have this... clunky "maximalist" nightmare of a control scheme
but with that came a greater degree of options in terms of small, precise deliberate moves and a greater sense of mastery over the game

also there's the fact that MGS5 is such a numbers driven game
a lot of progression ||i'd go as far as saying "most" of progression|| comes down to just... numbers getting bigger

[ocean iris]

I mean that started from Peacewalker

I think it's quite a natural progression but yeah I wish we still got linear action stuff

The game was bound to become this big

[fathom juniper]

a pistol that deals just a little bit more damage
a rifle with just a little longer range
just a few fultons more and so on

meanwhile MGS3 was like "yo - here's a single sniper rifle - go nuts with it and figure out all the weird things you can use it for"

[fathom juniper]

true
but i feel that in case of peace walker that came from tech limitations

that thing ran on a PSP
they had to figure out how to cram in as much "content" while taking as little space as possible

[ocean iris]

On the contrary they could have made a linear title but they decided to change the formula so it's really not the system's fault

They wanted it to be this way

Plus it makes more of a great portable game

You really couldnt have done much in a linear game with other people

[fathom juniper]

oh it may sure be a great portable thing

but mate - look at it this way

those maps are TINY

and they barely chugged at 20 fps

twenty!

[ocean iris]

Integrating player interaction into the base game rather than a separate component was always one of Kojima's plans and you can see it slowly evolve from MGO1 to MPO+ to Peacewalker COOPS to MGSV to Death Stranding ultimately

[fathom juniper]

there was no way in hell they could've keep it up for an entire, linear campaign akin to 3
not with this performance

also let's not forget that PW is - ultimately - a spinoff game
released on a slowly dying portable device

which still told a story that didn't need telling

and lo and behold - 5 went that route too

[ocean iris]

It's technically a mainline game since it was supossed to be called 5

while V is technically the spin off

Yes I know

[fathom juniper]

yeah but in the end they didn't call it 5, did they?

it's kinda like with RE3 and CVX

[ocean iris]

Nope it's V from Venom

[fathom juniper]

code veronica X was supposed to be the third resi game

[ocean iris]

It's not as important as the other games

[fathom juniper]

and nemesis was supposed to be the spinoff

[ocean iris]

especially since they rushed the tie in with MG1

[fathom juniper]

but in the end (i'll skip the details) nemesis became the mainline game while veronica became a spinoff

and guess what - i love RE3

[ocean iris]

i downloaded the PC port

hoping I can run it somehow

[fathom juniper]

oh here we go with kojimas wild ride again
and his super oh so clever naming schemes

i always thought V stood for "very unfinished"

[ocean iris]

Dude he wanted to name MGS2 MGSIII

It ain't the first time really

[fathom juniper]

keep in mind all that stuff was back in the days when he still had some other people around him to smack some sense into him

so what you're saying now never happened

i'm just...
so tired of this series

i used to love it, but...
i'm so done with all those pointless games and the wild ride

the "ooooh but this game X is actually a game Y in disguise!"
"oooooh kojima planned it all along! 30 years in the making!"

just...

following this series for so many years and seeing it go downhill in real time was heartbreaking for me

[ocean iris]

Personally Im waiting for DS2

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-skeleton-fall-apart-skeleton-burst-pop-skeleton-exploding-gif-25434496

[fathom juniper]

personally i'm waiting for the gaming industry to somehow start enforcing games preservation

or introduce a bill that forbids games exclusivity by law

whishful thinking, i know

[ocean iris]

Well good thing DS2 is only a timed exclusive :3

[fathom juniper]

amazing

[ocean iris]

Though by the time it releases I'll probably have a PS5 just for it

And maybe GT7

[ocean iris]

https://is2.4chan.org/v/1684700213628516.jpg

Borderlands 1 concept seemed so great but Im glad they made Lilith so cool on release at least

[ocean iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1109963953041309748/talesfromthewasteland_-_7235203140570647834.mp4

[sand sleet]

lilith looks like angel from borderland 2 here

[ocean iris]

Actually concept Lilith is the main siren villain from BL1

Forgot her name but she gets impaled by the vault at the end of the game

[sand sleet]

F

[clear python]

I wanted to play BL1 because I liked Maya and Lilith in BL2 but the game is so urghhhh :(((

[wise cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462734531179315200/1110067358040604672/image.png?width=960&height=540

I"m enjoying V rising

[stable kindle]

ive thought about getting it a few times but i read servers can be pretty atrocious so i took it off my list bc i didnt want to deal with griefing and stuff

[rustic falcon]

I…. I finished limbus company canto 1….

[mystic wave]

do you like apples

[mystic wave]

maybe you can bring Yuri to your lobocorp game!

[rustic falcon]

maybe i can.... she will live on

[wise cedar]

Yeah, I'm playing single player

[ocean iris]

https://cdn.medal.tv/mediac/1rf8NwFupHlZyZ.mp4?contentId=1aucCIkGPC4JH0&t=1080p&c=202321&missing

I wonder if Kojima is behind this lighting effect because it's so sick

But whoever's idea was for it, I wish we saw more of it

[sand sleet]

Installed wizard of legend again

Aqua arc berserk + meteor signature is insane damage my favorite build now

Also with the item that enhances the basic arcana because aqua arc gets almost double damage from it and splash

[fathom juniper]

seriously?

we're praising kojima for lens flares now?

[ocean iris]

Those aren't lens flares they're Video Game Kojima flares

Seriously though the lens flares I see in games are just hexagons

[clear python]

those are anamorphic lens flares. Some games have them, but you often don't see them because you have to install an engine plugin instead of using your engine's presets ehehe

[ocean iris]

My bad, pentagons

[ocean iris]

Oh?

[clear python]

the last part is a bit tongue in cheek but yeah they're anamorphic. In movies, they appear because you use a special lens on the camera that kinda squashes the whole picture together horizontally, and later when you're converting it you're pulling it apart again to get a natural aspect ratio, and those giant streaks appear. for an example, google 'jj abrams lens flare'

But in low-budget indie games you can often see if they're made in UE4 just from blurry TAA, SSAA, and these flares... https://d3kjluh73b9h9o.cloudfront.net/original/4X/b/7/7/b7738de55d068784a543363ae7551883746bf837.png

[fathom juniper]

meanwhile
ass effect
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/638031423340806185/1110239121546412113/7zfa6ucqi5f61.png

[ocean iris]

Chat is this real

[fathom juniper]

well the yellow one is

that blue is a stock lens flare .png that even i used for fun

but yeah - ass effect had some obnoxious lens flares

the last game that should ever have any lens flares

goddamn catalyst, i swear to god

[clear python]

mfw a 'cinematic' game is cinematic because it's just cutscenes: :|

[ocean iris]

True it's a shame

[fathom juniper]

mfw a "cinematic" game

[ocean iris]

Hey now cinematic also means good camera angles in game and effects

[fathom juniper]

in an ideal world, yes

not in ours though

[ocean iris]

Come on now

[fathom juniper]

it means unskipable walkie-talkies, sub-30 fps, crappy dialogue, predictable story and probably a bow and a lot of ferns and grassy places

[ocean iris]

GTA V was none of those and it was priddy gud :P

[fathom juniper]

bonus points for QTEs during which your character keeps panting and saying to themselves "i can make it"

[ocean iris]

I know you mean TLOU but cinematic games actually existed before Sony

[clear python]

yeah i had to remember Quantum Break yesterday, what a mess of a game

[fathom juniper]

nah i was actually thinking of the tomb raider reboot series

tlou1 actually has some solid writing, surprisingly

[ocean iris]

Silent Hill, MGS, GTA 4 and V, Death Stranding, were pretty cinematic without being packed full of cutscenes tbh

Well besides MGS4

That game as good as it is was very cutscene driven

[fathom juniper]

god this was such an ass-backwards take, i...
i...

i don't even know where to begin

oh!
i know!

i could begin by having a beer

and then not finishing this argument

[ocean iris]

It's true though these games aren't the Sony type of cinematic

They are actually good 🙀

Oh I can count the fixed camera Resident Evil games too

[fathom juniper]

gta4 and 5 being good?

mate i don't know what sort of stuff you're on but i want some

[ocean iris]

Yes they are good games lol

[fathom juniper]

i'd even go as far as argue against 5 being called a "game"

[ocean iris]

It is though.

It's really good too

[fathom juniper]

ok
alright

one beer might not be enough for this...

see you in an hour

or like

5

[rotund umbra]

or longer even

[fathom juniper]

oh i know you'd like to get rid of me

but i ain't leaving

[rotund umbra]

not really actually

I enjoy reading your stuff

[fathom juniper]

well i don't

[rotund umbra]

you don't enjoy reading your stuff?

[fathom juniper]

hell no

[rotund umbra]

why write it then

[ocean iris]

Ah right this reminds me

wednesday we get playstation showcase

yet curiously, STILL NO GAMES

[rotund umbra]

something leaked already from what I saw

don't remember what it was though

[fathom juniper]

god help us

[ocean iris]

We might get a new Factions from Naughty Dog

[fathom juniper]

i wonder how many remakes and/or remasters are they going to show

[rotund umbra]

@fathom juniper

[fathom juniper]

i'd say at least 3

[rotund umbra]

something for you

[ocean iris]

More of Mortal Kombat 1, hopefully more of Death Stranding 2

[rotund umbra]

https://twitter.com/insidergamingig/status/1660596557043867651?s=46&t=LDOcRBKDEKGPGgKymvt1QQ

Insider Gaming (@InsiderGamingIG)

Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater Remake Isn't a PlayStation Exclusive
https://t.co/pVUwEqD1Lm

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Twitter · May 22, 2023, 10:40 AM

[fathom juniper]

jesus you scared the crap out of me

[ocean iris]

and there's a slim chance of Silent Hill 2 Remake and an even slimmer chance of MGS3 Remake

[fathom juniper]

i thought i triggered the profanity filter again

ok
folks

hold up

can we take a moment to talk about this for a sec?

[rotund umbra]

Can't wait for this

[fathom juniper]

or just... slow down and take a closer look at the absolute state

[ocean iris]

There is also a slim chance of Legacy collection for PC

Like insanely slim chance

[fathom juniper]

out of FOUR games you guys named here

TWO are remakes

[ocean iris]

Yes.

[fathom juniper]

ONE is a complete reboot (to a point it might as well be a remake)

and a sequel

what in the absolute fatherducking

AAAAAAAA

...

three beers it is then

[rotund umbra]

What I'm hoping for on showcase is HFW port, but probably too soon for that

[ocean iris]

Im praying Legacy collection is real

Maybe since 2008 they spent all this time porting MGS4 for PC

[rotund umbra]

@fathom juniper I knew you would like that tweet

[fathom juniper]

eh

"isn't a playstation exclusive" doesn't mean "it will come to PC"

so i wouldn't hold my breath

it might as well just mean "yo echsbawks will get a port too"

[rotund umbra]

lol that's exactly what it means, it's not gonna be xbox

without PC at least

[ocean iris]

Xbox = PC let's be real

Aint no one buying an xbox for exclusives

[fathom juniper]

no it's not

[rotund umbra]

exactly, they would be idiotic to do a port to xbox and not PC

[fathom juniper]

not in a long shot

and even if
even IF they port that to PC

what's...

what's the point of it, anyway?

[rotund umbra]

to sell more of it, duh

aint that complicated

[fathom juniper]

no i mean - from a perspective of a ||and i hate that word|| gamer

a fan of the series

[rotund umbra]

I mean I haven't played it

so

[fathom juniper]

so wait
after all konami has done
after being out of the gaming for over a decade
after all the fiascos they had
after flushing all their IPs down the drain
after focusing on actual gambling in that time

do you seriously want to pay 70 bucks for a remake?

OR
or

and hear me out here

you could get the OG, not give those greedy kunts a single dime and play it they way it was intended - back when the series creator was still behind the steering wheel

[rotund umbra]

can't wait for this

well

I'd rather spend 70 bucks than 300 on a ps3

so yes

[fathom juniper]

also i just proved how pointless that profanity filter really is

i'm gonna get a timeout in about 10 seconds so

[rotund umbra]

how long

[fathom juniper]

iunno

[fathom juniper]

first of all - it's PS2, not 3

and second - emulation exists

[rotund umbra]

pretty sure there's a ps3 version as well

[fathom juniper]

oh there is
i've got one

[rotund umbra]

or is that too remaky for you too?

[fathom juniper]

but it's not the only way to play

nah that's fine - i'm fine with that one
it didn't change anything about the gameplay (well maybe besides the multiplayer servers being dead), it didn't change anything about the artstyle
and it was a proper package of 3 great games for a price of 1

consoles are the place where good games go to die

forever tied to an aging hardware that's sure to kick the bucket sooner or later
no support, no spare parts
you just have to cling to your old ps2 and pray to god for it to boot up again
and pay god knows how much for that rare, used and abused disc copy of your favorite game

[rotund umbra]

but

then

you have problem with pc ports

[ocean iris]

no im gonna pirate it lmfao

[fathom juniper]

do i?

[rotund umbra]

I mean it seems to me like you do

[fathom juniper]

good

nah i don't

i'm the type of guy that will take even the most broken PC port gladly

because if it IS broken
someone out there will fix it for you in a matter of days

quite often faster and better than publishers themselves

i mean - one look at fallout new vegas (and... actually ALL bethesta games, now that think about it ) is all you need to see that

NV was legendarily broken
to a point it is still sometimes IMPOSSIBLE TO ACTUALLY FINISH IT on a console

a proper build that was sold for premium back on ps3

[rotund umbra]

I mean, that's true of pretty much any Bethesda game, makes sense Obsidian kept the spirit of it

[ocean iris]

oh right FNV is getting a sequel

[fathom juniper]

meanwhile modders took that broken mess of a wonderful game and took care of it for over a decade turning it into what is the best RPG experience of my life

or how about doom

[rotund umbra]

Skyrim was released in like 6 different editions and the last one still has same bugs as the first one

[fathom juniper]

do you really think doom would see THIRTY GODDAMN YEARS of constant, unending support and new content if it was released on consoles?

nah

[rotund umbra]

yah

F76 had the same bugs as well

[fathom juniper]

i mean - doom has had more years of support from its fans than most people here had from their parents

which is insane

anyway
beer

[twin yarrow]

ironically, im just two years older than doom, but that still applies

[fathom juniper]

how's your back and your knees?

[twin yarrow]

both don't let me hold the body up in the vertical state for long

also, Starbound

after the game was if not killed, but pretty much mostly ruined by its own devs

and for several years there wasn't a single update

there are still lots of mods coming out even now

[sand sleet]

replaced meteor with earthquake axe

also just had a run with +107% damage on my basic arcana💀

[ocean iris]

https://youtu.be/xgrkDnm5fUE

God Fallout 1 and 2 were so well made

[stable kindle]

literally bought the game while it was still in development and enjoyed the game play aspect of it more during like the early alpha builds, and by the time full launch hit i had zero interest in it. so disappointed. there were some good things about the final build but by then i was so turned off i didn't care

[wise cedar]

That's pretty much the story of 90% of early access games I purchase

[hybrid jetty]

starbound was such a letdown

[stable kindle]

humble doesnt show dates on my keys but if you remember the old preorders then you know how old this is lol https://gyazo.com/564d88071158e46372f17f905b4db10c

[woven breach]

as it turns out, having a drink before playing my rhythm game helps. Not the coordination part or focus, but with the finger pains

I managed to get few high scores

that being said, please drink responsibly

[ocean iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGmZ_Vuh_g4&ab_channel=Spine_apples

[wise cedar]

I wish, in V Rising, I could start a dialogue with the villigers so I don't have to kill them for their resources and can instead at least pull a protection grift or something

[wise cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/462734531179315200/1110616939614699630/image.png?width=960&height=539

color coded crafting rooms!

[ocean iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1110623813890228245/image.png

time to dislike another game because of this guy now 😔

[sand sleet]

i like maxor

[stable kindle]

happy convergence day 👍

[ocean iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us4HFcX7Uhg&ab_channel=Anubis-XYZ

Good LORD since when was this a thing

Kojima games surely aren't stranger to weird ass tie ins and promotions

Also I only realised now how ROBBED I was from the content Subsistence had compared to HD

[ocean iris]

MGS Portable Ops was literally proto Pokemon Go. I learned that in Japan if you attached the GPS on the PSP you could go in certain places and earn special soldiers.

[floral mauve]

Kind of late, but yeah i agree

I feel like so many games get caught up in doing these big, cinematic games that want to be a movie

And i'm just thinking in my head "Is the gameplay gonna suffer for these fancy layers of paint, or is this gonna be worth the $60 i spent on"

cough cough looking at you Last of Us, ya left Crash in a ditch & shot Jak & Daxter for a glorified Walking Dead movie

I also just dont care for stuff like the Telltale games that do this, and i'm like "If you wanted to make this a show or movie, WHY DIDNT YOU PITCH THIS AS A SHOW OR MOVIE IN THE FIRST PLACE"

Like if i wanted to watch a show or movie, i'd watch..... a show or movie.

I'm not saying ditch storytelling & cinematic stuff in games, but don't over stuff it and lose the point of a game

[stable kindle]

theres certainly a limit but shows and games are fundamentally handled differently in regard to narrative

"why didnt you pitch this as a movie" because the process is different

[floral mauve]

That's a good point

[stable kindle]

i understand the frustration tho

[lofty pecan]

i feel like walking sims/narrative focused games offer an more immersive experience that movies/shows can’t provide

[floral mauve]

But when stuff gets a bit too story centric or it feels like i might as well put my controller down for the next hour or 2, i'm just like "Oh gee i'm sure glad i didn't need to open Netflix, because this game did it for me"

[lofty pecan]

then again i’m a big fan of walking sims

[floral mauve]

Only game that seems walking sim-esque i'm interested in

Is Journey

[lofty pecan]

mhm they’re not for everyone

[floral mauve]

Which looks pretty cool despite me missing a good majority of the 2010 era indies until like 2017

One of my more favorite indie games period, does a fantastic job of showing you the lore & the game's world without going too overboard with exposition

Anyone care to guess? (It's 2D & was released in the 2010's era)

[graceful galleon]

Papers, Please?

[floral mauve]

Never played that one

probably should've given another hint lol

Your protagonist is very tiny

[tame veldt]

celeste or baba

[wise cedar]

My money is on hollow Knight

[woven breach]

Unravel

hmmm

it's published by EA

[graceful galleon]

Ori

[sand sleet]

Usually in games I rarely pay attention to the story at all it rarely grasps me and gameplay in games is above absolutely everything for me

The only games I remember playing where I stopped for the story and listened to it is transistor and project wingman

They have very good story

Grasped me

Everything else though, not quite enough to pull me out of the annoyance of having my gameplay being interrupted

[lofty pecan]

@sand sleet no mention of hades 🫢

[tame veldt]

2d game

[floral mauve]

Got it right

[twin yarrow]

at first i thought "but hk is a recent game, it was not released in 2011 or so", then remembered, that it's already 6 years old and 2017 still counts as 2010s

also yeah, it utilizes dark souls approach to the lore, which makes it closer to 2d soulslike

[twin yarrow]

as much as i hate to admit it, but games can be pretty good without deep story or any story at all, if they have good gameplay

good and grasping story can't compensate mediocre or boring gameplay, however

unless there's no gameplay beside "choose an option what to do/say"

[woven breach]

I'm playing Barista Simulator rn

will tell my first experience of it later

[woven breach]

okay so

it feels like I'm working

so

as a sim

it's pretty good

on the other

I don't want to play this game after day 1

cause it feels like I'm working

there are.... several issues with it that can be improved as far as a sim goes

like you can't put the takeway cups UNDER the portafilter. that's dumb. That hinders with workflow and I hate it.

but most importantly

you don't do dishes

at least the early days don't

[twin yarrow]

is it possible to contact the devs?

maybe they'd listen to the professional opinion

[sand sleet]

Well I mean I already knew 90% of hades lore before playing it

[woven breach]

Fun stuff happened. At the tutorial, I had to make an espresso and serve it to customer. After making it, instinctively, I cleaned portafilter, THEN serve the espresso. But after that, the game wants me to clean the portafilter....

Which

I already cleaned

But the game doesn't register it as clean

So I had to make a new one to get it dirty and then clean it again

I know it doesn't have dynamic interaction but

[sand sleet]

[woven breach]

That gave me a laugh

[ocean iris]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421176827403304982/1110972415896453130/image.png

bro this channel is so annoying

i love when people wrongfully interpretating my favorite games to suit their rightoid agendas

And uses Death Stranding as an example of why we are sad and also shoe horns in so many stupid talking points

Like no we are not sad and lonely because we refuse to have kids or anything, clearly the scope of the game was not procreation but human connection and understanding each other beyond a superficial level

Also the comment sections are just whiny bigots but yeah this is getting somewhere else but it's getting annoying

[mystic wave]

Iron Harvest has some sick art in their loading screens

[rancid token]

Finished the new Zelda

[mystic wave]

https://iron-harvest.fandom.com/wiki/Polania_Art

[wise cedar]

the image on the embed is such an aesthetic

[mystic wave]

ikr

[sand sleet]

i love this artist so goddamn much

at least it seems like that artist

which it probably is

[mystic wave]

werent you looking for some rts? try this game

[sand sleet]

oh yeah true

also I love the 1500-1930 war aesthetic

[sand sleet]

decided to download might and magic heroes 7

the third one was my first game literally ever

very good game

didn't play any of the other parts though or any other strategy not rts other than chess though

also I'm now a silver 2 starcraft 2 protoss player

[rotund umbra]

homam was my childhood

like, the first and second one

played a bit of third one and fourth one, played a LOT of fifth one

tried 6 and didn't like it much

never got to 7

the first, second and fifth I played a lot with my sister

damn now I'm nostalgic

[ocean iris]

NEW HELLDIVERS

OMG OMG OMG

Ghostrunner 2!

Anyone else watching the ps showcase now?

phantom blade 0 looks really bland and grey

New Talos Principle?!

Squenix offbrand live service Splatoon that will die in a few months 💪

MGS3 REMAKE

ALERT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/421176827403304982/1111027763923664926/image.png

MGS4 port confirmed??

[fallen sky]

👀👀👀👀

Duuuuude

[ocean iris]

IM GOING INSANE

I cant fricking wait

if they show Silent Hill 2 Remake and Death Stranding 2 too Im gonna pass out

[rotund umbra]

I mean it specifically does not show MGS4

so

[ocean iris]

but it says vol 1

so what else could they fit on a vol 2

[rotund umbra]

PW RISING GZ+PP

[ocean iris]

peacewalker and portable ops and MGS4

GZ? Why tho

Arent these on PS5

[rotund umbra]

are they?

I think they aren't

dunno

[ocean iris]

idk but i suposse V is more accessible

Id go insane if they ported 4 though

they got to

[rotund umbra]

Rising isn't they could include that too

[ocean iris]

Maybe maybe

but we can also not exclude the possibility of a vol 3

anyways

More Alan Wake 2

but holy crap the MGS3 Remake stole the show for me

@rotund umbra MGSV is on PS5

that means MGS4 port

[rotund umbra]

or

portable rising and pw

or maybe just rising and pw

I don't see them doing portable

[ocean iris]

yeah true

i really doubt it

PW, MGS4 AND MGR

by the way, Im hopeful for the remake

it might be MGS3 in GZ style

i find it interesting tbh

as long as it has crouch walk

oh and XOF lore

DRAGON'S DOGMA 2

[sand sleet]

I am now a silver 1 sc2 protoss player

hehe

[ocean iris]

HOLY CRAP

NEW MARATHON GAME FROM BUNGIE

finally A GOOD BUNGIE GAME

[sand sleet]

what's marathon and why is it's logo the tau empire symbol from wh40k

[sand sleet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827190621218668605/1111034587041235024/Screenshot_358.png

[ocean iris]

it's iMac's Doom competitor from back in the day

it was what Bungie did before Halo

the trailer looked really good I almost thought they'd waste such a good artstyle for f-in Destiny

[ocean iris]

Damn they released MGS3 Remake

Seems like they'll really focus on the jungle aspect

[fallen sky]

https://www.engadget.com/neva-is-the-next-gorgeous-looking-game-from-gris-developer-nomada-studio-204716357.html

Didn't realize the Gris devs were making another game!!

[lofty pecan]

!!! cant wait for it gris is one of my favorite games

oo also night in the woods devs next game https://www.ign.com/videos/revenant-hill-official-reveal-trailer-playstation-showcase-may-2023

[graceful galleon]

that DD 2 trailer, im hyped

[woven breach]

was watching Redfall (Zero Punctuation)

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/817270982191874081/1111116161371869316/image.png

[sand sleet]

that's why I love playing protoss cuz you can warp in half an army literally in under a second basically anywhere you want https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/251073043659620353/1111034310363979927/Screenshot_359.png?width=1247&height=701

[wise cedar]

for a brief moment in like, 2008 I was diamond in competative SC2

oh gods

[sand sleet]

Do you mean sc1

Or do you mean 2018

[wise cedar]

musta been 2010

[sand sleet]

I'm three wins away from gold league

four now...

[hybrid jetty]

its a pvp extraction shooter we sleep

almost thought we had a singleplayer fps for a second there

[ocean iris]

oh damn

[ocean iris]

https://youtu.be/E21qSEyRa88

Who would have thought!

[woven breach]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF68tHox8nw

I didn't know this

[rotund umbra]

I just had that clip in my recommended today

Don't even know the game

Are you spying on me?

[woven breach]

bold of you to assume i have that much free time

[wise cedar]

what even is an extraction shooter?

My google fu and adhd are failing me

[mystic wave]

Its a shooter that extracts your willpower

(I actually dont know)

[ocean iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1111322811512930415/ssstik.io_1685030284565.jpg

[ocean iris]

Lmao FNV is free on epic

i swear pirating it from GOG seems MUCH safer and hassle free

[hidden zephyr]

Do you also have phases where you just can't find joy in gaming? I want to play games but when i start them, they bore me. 😓

[floral mauve]

Kinda

I have something similar with JRPGs that when i start one i usually just drop off of em for some reason (Lookin at you Xenoblade 1)

[ocean iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1111407834240909392/1685013223786515.jpg

Stupidest take I ever heard

Hope the journo made his money from this article at least

But how did The Last of Us change stealth games? By not being one?

[hybrid jetty]

falling for TheGamer, which makes these articles to bait people into talking about them

[hybrid jetty]

also don't understand this, is epic bad still a thing people say

[broken smelt]

Also something dumb about the article
Hitman as a series already existed when mgs3 released

[lofty pecan]

exclusives, lack of features, etc

[hybrid jetty]

yeah but those have no relation to handing out free games, which is where most people go "epic bad" for

i don't even think the exclusive thing is that bad, its still on the same platform just a different icon

and its not like there's any other real way to try to compete with steam lol

that said their client is pretty terrible

[sand sleet]

yeah it's awful and games work badly sometimes

a pirated gog game works way better

sometimes more like often and the client is very slow

and the website takes half a year to load

and to find and put a torrent on download takes less time than for the client to launch

[wise cedar]

I've had bigger issues playing games on steam than on epic

but the big thing is that competition is good for indie devs

so I'm all for it

[sand sleet]

also just installed iron harvest

[sand sleet]

yeah monopoly sucks

[sand sleet]

I like the tutorials from the characters childhood

Desperados 3 also had the same thing

Unfortunately so far it seems the gameplay is also slow

I like that they have native voiceover tho

I can even understand some things lol

[sand sleet]

seems more responsive so far though than like company of heroes

and units have hit points so probably game doesn't just roll a dice every shot and you only hit if it's a 20

[sand sleet]

Is it polish? It seems like polish but I'm bad at differentiating different slavic languages

I can only recognize ukrainian and maybe belorusian

Because they're the closest to russian probably

The world seems like alternate universe with just more native aesthetic
I dig it

yooo the rusviets are speaking russian

mfw there's like 5 russians that do all the official dubs and voice literally everything

so far it seems like company of heroes but better and cooler

gameplay wise I mean

are there any other rts as micro intensive as starcraft

[woven breach]

I played a little Barista Simulator (again) and found a funny detail

An espresso costs 30 dollars, I didn't set it, the game did.
Coffee beans per 250ml costs 5 dollars, each espresso uses 30ml
That means base cost of an espresso is 0.6 dollars
The game marks up coffee at 50x

I wish I could do that IRL

[sand sleet]

The beans companies do it instead of you

[mystic wave]

yeah polania = polish

saxony = german

and then there's usonia which is usa lmao

[mystic wave]

so like, when the rusviet guy is talking to polanians, they just speak in their respective languages or what?

[sand sleet]

The rusviet soldier they like talk to each other and they talk in russian
And the polanians speak in polish to each other
And when the rusviet guy was talking to pietr they talked in their respective languages yes

There's an option at the start to turn on native voiceover

[mystic wave]

i didnt turn it on because didnt wanna miss somethings. stuff without subtitles like unit lines while fighting

[sand sleet]

they're all in respective languages it's very cool

I understand like 15% of what polanians say and 100% of what rusviets say

[mystic wave]

nice

[sand sleet]

I love slavic dieselpunk

[sand sleet]

so uh couple hours in

gameplay is basically coh2 but better

enemy ai is bad tho, kiting is just ez win

aesthetics is the best thing ever

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827190621218668605/1111554128045408276/Screenshot_375.png

[ocean iris]

holy. crap.

Gollum that game LOCKED BEHIND A PAYWALL THE ELVISH LANGUAGE

as if the base game wasn't BAD enough

[sand sleet]

if there's anything more I can want for in iron harvest it is a pepelaz

[sand sleet]

I always take so long in rts campaigns smh

I always build a huge army and advance very positionally

end up taking like an hour on every mission

[ocean iris]

@fathom juniper
okay it's game theory time

In MGSV Ground Zeroes you don't actually play as the actual Big Boss, it's a recreation of the events that were hypnotized into your brain by the actual Big Boss

[rustic falcon]

@mystic wave whats ur limbus profile? if ur ok with me adding you :]

[rotund umbra]

I mean that is proven straight up false by PP

[mystic wave]

of course!

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/512790960816783363/1111594987294031883/image.png?width=1199&height=605

[rustic falcon]

yayy sent

[mystic wave]

lmao love this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/512790960816783363/1111615491287552040/image.png

[rustic falcon]

i think the image is funny too bc it looks like don talking to heathcliff LOL

[mystic wave]

lmao

[fathom juniper]

You don’t play as big boss
You’re playing as some random-ass medic who’s larping as BB while doing what is basically a glorified side quest

[ocean iris]

That was my point?

[fathom juniper]

it's not really a recreation of events or whatever

the stuff in this game happens to you
as in the medic

in real time

[fathom juniper]

you know what they say about learning from mistakes

especially those made by other people

so wait
one of the best stealth games with a plethora of movement and camera options, great enemy AI, robust camo system, a big pile of toys with different uses and probably the best set of survival mechanics ever put into an AAA game should learn from a depressed dad simulator where most stealth is just crouch-walking behind chest high walls and throwing empty beer bottles?

where enemies are deliberately programmed to turn their backs to you and just straight up ignore your companions?

get out of here

don't get me wrong - TLOU1 is a great game
but it's remembered for its story and writing
its gameplay - while polished - is still "servicable" at best

[wise cedar]

I haven't played TLOU but I'm wondering if its enemy AI was any good

one of the big immersion breakers for me in stealth games is how easy alert resets are.

"WHERE DID STEVE GO?" 2 seconds later, "Huh, guess nothing's going on, I mean, steve's still missing but he's probably just taking a leak or something ig"

[rotund umbra]

must've been the wind

[fathom juniper]

well MGS does that a lot
to a point that it literally gives you a timer that represents that exact thought process in a numerical value

but the AI itself is actually really good
a bit acrade-y in a sense, but it's still good - they react to a lot of things

also MGS3 has the added benefit of guards actually using their camouflage

their spotted green uniforms blend in really well against grassy green backgrounds
they're basically using the same tools as you - camouflage and patience

as for TLOU...
i'd describe its AI as "cinematic"
enemies aren't really smart, they don't really use any kind of tactics
but they are programmed to create tension by doing stuff like getting reaaaaally close to the chest high wall you're hiding behind and not turning the corner to spot you

or looking for something only to look the other way at just the right moment for you to stab them

this sort of thing

also the fact that they're straight up ignoring your AI partners EVEN AFTER BUMPING INTO THEM is just...

[slim sapphire]

Hey, can I send youtube links on this channel? It's not self promotion, just an interesting video I found

[winter mica]

if it's related to video games and follows the rules of the server then yeah go for it

[slim sapphire]

ok

I found a really cool video about Yoko Taro, NieR's game director

https://youtu.be/L3wScHE28K8

[ocean iris]

Ellie can walk in front of them and nothing happens lol

Wouldnt it have been better to just give her own separate AI that knows her path and such rather than stick like a magnet to Joel

[rancid token]

I mean, if I was forced to have a companion during a stealth section that I couldn't control, I'd be pissed if they could be detected and ruin my stealth

[wise cedar]

Better, yes. Feasible? iffy.

[ocean iris]

Makes sense but I think my suggestion would make more sense than just zoom in front of the enemy AI

Then again it's their fault for making the whole game a damn escort mission

[wise cedar]

Something something bioshock infinite something something ytterbium

[clear python]

I wonder if I've ever played a good escort mission

I don't think so

[ocean iris]

MGS2 wasnt that bad tbh

[hybrid jetty]

there was a stealth game I played many years ago called Shadwen, pretty average stealth fare but the gimmick was that you were also escorting this girl through the levels
and if she witnessed you killing guards or people/found their bodies it had a bad influence on her

which I thought was a neat idea
the ai wasn't particularly great though

[winter mica]

that's a cool concept

[ocean iris]

Would have worked as a method to actively show how the player is desentivizing Ellie

as if she hadn't been through enough

Also I cant recall it but can you play TLOU non lethally?

Ok apparently not that's frickin stupid for a post apocalyptic game

[wise cedar]

desentivizing ellie meter rising

[ocean iris]

Hey now they can make it more subtle

Like Venom Snake's horn growing when he kills tons of people

Oh also this reminds me, why wouldnt they let you play the game non lethally, BOTH games especially since the 2nd preaches about revenge being bad yet you have to kill most you encounter

[wise cedar]

naughty dog likes playing with you

they want you to feel complicit

not do what you want to do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bh5gzGs-63Y

[hybrid jetty]

woe unto me for engaging in tlou2 discussion but its hard to feel complicit in doing a thing if you don't have the option not to do the thing

only game that managed to go "haha you suck for killing people!!!" without letting you not do that and not have the message feel pointless is spec ops the line
and thats not even really about violence bad anyways

[wise cedar]

games make tradeoffs of player agency for narrative purposes all the time

[broken smelt]

If you haven't already i'd give this video a watch
https://youtu.be/QCYMH-lp4oM

[wise cedar]

I'm just being a meta reactionary

Reactionarying to the reactionaries

I haven't played any TLOU games nor really do I have any intention to

[twin yarrow]

i remember Dishonored.. with its approach of "there are 2857 options to remove enemies from existence and perform cinematically awesome executions, but when you use them, you'll get bad ending"

on one hand, it gives you freedom to do as you seem fit, on another it clearly states what are you supposed to do

[rustic falcon]

I always thought that getting a bad ending is not actually a bad thing

You can’t have your cake and eat it too I guess. Also the endings are really cool

[sand sleet]

How can't I have my cake and eat it if when I eat it it's in my tummy and I have it thus

[hybrid jetty]

yeah dishonored is pretty bad about it too

the first one at least, in DH2 they gave nonlethal cool powers too so it doesn't feel like you're playing a worse version of the game to get the 'good ending'

so it at least learned from that

[floral mauve]

I wanna try Bioshock at some point

I got all 3 of the remasters as part of a free thing on EGS when it was new-ish

[twin yarrow]

and yes, about bioshock3, it doesn't really feel like an escort mission or something, since Elizabeth actually knows how to position herself and hide when necessary better than most players in online shooters

while also finding some ways to provide you with ammo, heals, mons and what not

never screaming something like "BOOKEEER!! HEELP!!" like some others

also about actual escort missions in other games.. why in the world it's a rule to make npc walk slower than usual player's speed, but faster than player's walking speed?..

why is it necessary to run behind them in short rushes, with constant stops?..

[sand sleet]

"relatable character that I want to be"™ finally appeared in iron harvest as well

Olga morozova

also this loading screen goes so goddamn hard

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870680987208667187/1111925390831779930/Screenshot_385.png?width=1247&height=701

[ocean iris]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/421176827403304982/1111927801268940870/ssstik.io_1685174440748.mp4