h1-victory-boasting

[bold jolt]

oh this is victory boasting lmao

#h1-discussion

[obsidian harness]

yes that was the joke

[tame spire]

beowulfin'

[tired shoal]

Nice.

[random forum]

3sack 😤

[bold jolt]

always so close to that sub10 lol

it do be like that

[random forum]

Rail bounties done now at least

[bold jolt]

oh wait it wasn't even the standard speedrun pact you def would've gotten a sub10 rip

[random forum]

Look at all those commons but legacy wouldn’t even give me splitting

[bold jolt]

legacy moment

[random forum]

Kinetic launcher moment

[random forum]

Man if only I didn’t get a 3 sack and suck at aiming beo a lot

[paper oxide]

New pb on fists but it was soooo close damn

[random forum]

Twins

[paper oxide]

nice

[random forum]

I shaved off 3 minutes from my shield pb but I’m still salty because it could have been a sub 10

[random forum]

Heavy knuckle Demeter gaming

[paper oxide]

yeah pretty sure i missed this by like one stuck behind a door for a second or something

yeah i ended up with frost strike for my attack hoping to find arctic blast but instead found heavy knuckle in elysium

figured why not

it did chonk

lol maybe it didn't chonk

champs was 1000 dps had them stacked on top of each other kinda stuck getting phased

[random forum]

Lmao Zeus call stronk 💪

[heavy solar]

No jolted

[paper oxide]

😭

[signal hornet]

My first 32 heat. Sorry for the potato pic

[paper oxide]

So close again 😦 dad only took 40 seconds

[ebon berry]

Poggers

[vale heart]

holy blades

[vale heart]

Wait is that aphro dash lmao

[steep ocean]

The strongest build ever.

[vale heart]

Trash build, not gilgamesh

That's the joke 🤡

Though if you're doing dash only it probably should be gilga anyway

Just mash spacebar

[random forum]

How do you get Zeus only lmao

I wish I had this Zeus luck on my fist runs

[steep ocean]

Zeus' keepsake + mom's keepsake.

And I tried to ignore every other boon if it wasn't zeus.

[vale heart]

gy bad only fun every once in 13 years

Just get chilling vortex ez

[steep ocean]

I'm doing these stupid runs only because I want to complete all of the prophecies I have.

[random forum]

#h1-discussion

[random forum]

TFW not 12:34.56 clear time also am I late to the party on noticing the clear time is 0.01 slower than the timer?

[violet bloom]

nice butterfly

[random forum]

Hell yeah got that prophecy done finally

[obsidian harness]

what’s the best aspect for +0% butterfly

[hollow jacinth]

Gilgamesh

[inland yacht]

by the skin of my teeth, highest heat yet, had em4 with the uhhh pact condition that adds an armored foe in each boss encounter

[bold jolt]

gaming

[random forum]

Exposed mistral dash Pstatus big mood

[tired shoal]

That’s middle management.

[tired shoal]

Also, 19 streak? you’re goated.

How’d you get Shady btw? Than?

[bold jolt]

sisyphus

[tired shoal]

O

[inland yacht]

I KNOW IM SHOCKED NGL

[inland yacht]

pstatus?

[violet bloom]

privileged status

[random forum]

The 4th from last mirror talent you’re using

[inland yacht]

ohhhh
yeah honestly pstatus is so good, like family favorite can be fun if you go for it but honestly i just love drowning enemies in debuffs

[violet bloom]

family favorite is better in most builds but pstatus is fun

[tired shoal]

Fair, I’m Family Favourite myself.

[violet bloom]

sounds very nice

[inland yacht]

like ngl ive had some runs where i did n o t expect to escape, like ive just had bad rolls or hammers or i decided to use the anvil and massively regretted it (just doing it for the codex on runs where i dont like the hammers i got) and its like oh dang nice

[tired shoal]

Yep.

[fiery needle]

Hestia bonkers

[violet bloom]

lightning strike hestia 🗿

[bold jolt]

huge catch gaming

[tired shoal]

69

[fiery needle]

Didn't see that lmao

[bold jolt]

nice

[tired shoal]

[signal hornet]

Haha yeah it’s passion dash. One of the first times I’ve actually used it. It did the trick

[inland yacht]

passion dash can be nice if you get that boon that makes enemies less resistant to damage, or maybe even that one duo boon where weak inflicted foes take repeated doom damage if you have doom damage on your main or special or whatever

[vale heart]

amazing

[inland yacht]

definitely not my go to dash but yknow, it can work sometimes haha

but yeah I love that duo boon so much--also the interactions between ares and aphrodite are a lot of fun

LMAO FAIR

[versed crane]

Applying heart rend with special 👎
Applying heart rend with dash 😈

[signal hornet]

Yeah I had at least one Aphrodite status effect since I had Aphro’s special so it didn’t seem that bad. Also my previous attempts were with AP2 and the shackle so I wasn’t feeling picky with boons lol

[inland yacht]

Which one is ap again?

[bold jolt]

-1 boon choice

[heavy solar]

Triple shot zag bow gaming 🧠

ME via doom strike athena special chiron but you apply weaken and have col 🧠

Only good chiron build ever

I’m 99% sure the ME combo damage wouldn’t get halved

[random forum]

Funny Hera bow pb

[vale heart]

Crappy rooms and got boons late (hb elysium, rd styx) 😔

At least it's still sub10

[subtle swallow]

Beowulf on 35 heat, no Mirage Shot unfortunately

[heavy solar]

Why 35 heat?

[vale heart]

🤝

[subtle swallow]

numbers ending in 5 are like unofficial even numbers, and 32 felt wrong to me for some reason.

[heavy solar]

“Unofficial even numbers”
I mean 32 is an official even number

[subtle swallow]

It bugged me like TV volume

[heavy solar]

Makes sense

orcanemagic when he can’t do 65 heat without installing a mod that gives more heat options

Stuck doing 63 or 64

[subtle swallow]

That and I'm not quite there for being able to do 40 heat yet.

[vale heart]

fo2 is one you should learn and get used to if you want to push heat, ap1 is pretty easy if you're doing a flexible build like passion beo, and you might as well go all out with lc4 if you're going to use it at all + use stubborn defiance

[heavy solar]

Fo2 is free once you learn it

[vale heart]

Sort of

fo2 speeder shieldguys are just an L you gotta take

or speeder seeker wavemakers

It's free in that you'll be able to deal with it unless you get some really rough rng

[tired shoal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1031006396562550825/1032081853269684354/Hades_10_18_2022_8_03_11_PM.png

[random forum]

Mirage blades Achilles based

Poms do not exist tho

[stone blaze]

is this kind of cheesy for the em4 fight?

I feel like I saw less than 30% of spear throws or skulls because they got reflected on accident by the special spam

[random forum]

Good work

Rich man

[heavy solar]

you wanna see something richer?

[stone blaze]

uhhhh yeah yeah that also happened

I would've gone in the tunnels for poseidons boon (that and a gold one was left - I had one fated authority use by that time) and probably picked up everything from chiron including the titan blood (I entered hades w/ 700 because I bought everything else) but I wanted to keep the well of charon speed/50% backstabs I got (that 50% was the only bonus backstab damage I could really get for parting shot which showed up again in styx after I purged it from elysium)

unless ^ in the SS there's a bonus to backstab cast damage that I'm missing 🤷

[random forum]

If you entered hades with 700 how do you have 1400 in the SS

[heavy solar]

[random forum]

Brain hurt

Money money money money

[stone blaze]

minibosses give gold... I think? I noticed killing at least one of them gave me like 200+ after bonuses lol

[random forum]

Oh word

[heavy solar]

the obol chamber gives 100
if it's a miniboss obol chamber it gives double

but also styx has hella gold pots

[random forum]

Em4 minis he means

[heavy solar]

oh

bruh

[random forum]

That’s the second time this has happened lol

[stone blaze]

oh, miniboss chamber rewards are doubled? I've noticed getting way more than I thought I should've (like +50 health) but didn't know it worked that way, nice

I should really look up/learn how authority/persuasion works esp now that I have them xd

[heavy solar]

Miniboss rooms reward like this compared to normal:
+50 hp from centaur hearts
+200 obols
+1 pom level
minimum rarity of boons is upped to rare

[rotund sphinx]

If the reward as seen from the previous chamber has a skull on it, it means the chamber will be tougher than normal (not always a miniboss), but will have better rewards

Sometimes it's just larger numbers of mobs and/or more armored enemies

Actually managed to get a build for Guan Yu that felt good

[heavy solar]

That’s what I stated

[rotund sphinx]

Yeah, I was adding onto that

[heavy solar]

That’s exclusively barge in asphodel

[random forum]

#h1-discussion

[heavy solar]

Other guan-yu builds that feel good focus on special btw

charged skewer + aphrodite or (artemis + chaos additive) = wins

[rotund sphinx]

Yeah, I also had Poseidon's special + lightning bolts for the special, when I wanted to stay a bit further away

And Artemis's call to chunk some of Hades's health

[heavy solar]

Talking about a different run? Because this on has zeus special

[heavy solar]

Zeus or dio are way better at dps

artemis is only really good for iframes

[rotund sphinx]

Hmm, I thought I had Poseidon's special additive

[heavy solar]

This is very clearly zeus special

Guan-yu special does 45 base damage though so maybe you thought that because it was different from normal spear idk

[rotund sphinx]

Oh, I was thinking of Razor Shoals, which went with my cast

I guess Poseidon special was the previous spear run

Oh, that was my 50th attempt, cool

[tired shoal]

?

Ye, wasn’t really trying.

[stone blaze]

I've done td2 (?) before and could've probably done td3 by now (ok without shield/.... idk what else is considered cheese/easy mode besides shield)

that run probs could've been td1 and em4 for the actual time I spent fighting

gonna get murked attempting em4 hades w/ guan yu (210 health + 3 DDs) wish me luck xd

[random forum]

#h1-discussion

[heavy solar]

#hades-unironic-chiron-enjoyers-mother

[stone blaze]

whoops thought I was but uhh yeah I'm back in this channel now

still feel like divine dash is stupid good and uhh... yeh

can I consider em4 easy now that I've done it twice or do I need to do it with a crappier run to call it good?

[heavy solar]

uh

[random forum]

Do em4 Sub10

[heavy solar]

Yeah

[random forum]

Then you can consider it easy

[heavy solar]

Once you can do it in less than 10 minutes

the whole run

[stone blaze]

xd

[tired shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1032130685386899476/unknown.png?width=1246&height=701

[solid fog]

just beat em4 first try lets gooooooo

it wasnt very hard? maybe i had a good build

oh wait these arent good pins

also beat charon this time. weird run lol

[random forum]

Grats and yeah em4 on its own is cake with a good build.

[bold jolt]

yeah you had a pretty good build lol
em4 mainly becomes difficult when you stack other pacts (hl, fo, cp) on it along with high heat
still nice job on the em4 clear

[solid fog]

that would make sense yeah

i wanted to see what it was like for if i include it in full heat builds

fastest shield and highest heat? tbh idk what happened here

it felt. weirdly easy

[heavy solar]

Js3 em4

[tired shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1032159506475520010/unknown.png?width=1246&height=701

STUBBORN DEFIANCE SUPREMACY

[bold jolt]

nice cores

[heavy solar]

Bruh

You can use other weapons btw

[tired shoal]

Ik, but Fists are my fave.

[heavy solar]

True but titan blood

[bold jolt]

he's still getting titan blood

[tired shoal]

Don't need em.

[solid fog]

this is a really confusing image ngl

theres just a lot going on

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[heavy solar]

Not really?

[solid fog]

or like. not a lot going on

[tired shoal]

Lel.

[bold jolt]

lmao yeah i was gonna say

[heavy solar]

Is more like just didn’t hit the boons

Where was shackle

[tired shoal]

Oh yeah, I don't think I had any cores lol.

[solid fog]

wait whats the little skull thing

the boon

[heavy solar]

God mode

[tired shoal]

Plume supremacy.

[solid fog]

ohh ok

[heavy solar]

Plume cringe

[bold jolt]

your first boon is guaranteed to have a core unless you reroll it iirc

so that part was on you lol

[tired shoal]

Plume Based.

[heavy solar]

Untrue

[tired shoal]

I don't mind lol

[solid fog]

full mirror + 8 heat but cleared with two weapons

[heavy solar]

Is not confusing

[solid fog]

wym

[random forum]

Lots of attempts

[solid fog]

i mean i guess some people must stick to only one or a few weapons huh

[random forum]

#h1-discussion

[solid fog]

oh right sorry

[heavy solar]

🔫

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[solid fog]

i always just do the purple one

[heavy solar]

I use every weapon

All the time

[solid fog]

yeah same

gun is my favorite rn tho

shield used to be

[bold jolt]

#h1-discussion moment

[tired shoal]

An apostle of the Dark Thirst I see.

[heavy solar]

I’m darkness grinding for mr. Resource director now and am about 200000 darkness away so I follow the dark thirst

[solid fog]

woah those get that high? epic

i was always worried about like having too much darkness

idk why

[heavy solar]

Oh to max out resource director from nothing it’s 325000 total

[solid fog]

👍

[heavy solar]

plus other resources like titans blood and ambrosia and gemstones and gifts

[solid fog]

okay nice :) guess i wont run out of stuff to buy

[heavy solar]

Other than that I have everything done, codex complete , mirror done except for fated authority, 32 heat statue gotten, house furniture fully collected too

[random forum]

zag sword sMElly
But I guess it’s cool that it got me a sub10 or whatever

[bold jolt]

sub 10 gang

[heavy solar]

Based

[bold jolt]

2 chaos lunges?

[random forum]

Heat progression sub10 gang

[random forum]

Yes

[bold jolt]

double chaos lunge, dedge, epic rd
shame it wasn't heart rend for fat crits but also ME is just much stronger and faster lol

oh zag sword rd is super based tho

[heavy solar]

Nanas did you see my big hoarding slash run

[bold jolt]

i remember seeing it but forgot when lol

[heavy solar]

Was hige

Dedge, hoarding slash, +3 dashes, 2680 obols(134 damage)

[bold jolt]

big 134

that's less than a loaded beo atk lol

[heavy solar]

Is *2 cuz dedge *5 cuz 5 dashes

so

Kinda huge

[bold jolt]

lmao whatever helps you sleep at night

[heavy solar]

This is truely a ~~#~~hades-discussion #h1-tech-fixes moment

[bold jolt]

true

[random forum]

.

[heavy solar]

~~#~~hades-discussion #h1-tech-fixes

[random forum]

This beo run was kinda mid

[bold jolt]

average beo run

[heavy solar]

That’s because you’re using beo in the version that mirage shot is patched

[vale heart]

1: Mirage blades is pretty easy to build into since ideally your build has those 3 gods anyway
2: why would I need poms on anything but cast and tdash

[lunar peak]

was this a good hera build

was i rly lucky

[heavy solar]

You went for snurst but weren’t running pstatus

Otherwise yeah it was good

[lunar peak]

does the game automatically give u more cast boons if ur using a cast related aspect?

does it detect that ur doing a cast build?

[heavy solar]

Nope

[signal hornet]

28 heat with Hera. Slowly working up to 32

[vale heart]

Apparently you don't really wanna do that a decent amount of the time anyway

[vale heart]

Nope, I've reset many times because chaos decided that my beowulf could use flourish boons

[tired shoal]

Cringe Victory, the fight was fun tho.

[paper oxide]

I think i had it if i brought fiery instead of shadow 😦

[random forum]

No it gives you less 😭

[signal hornet]

32 heat with Hera! Not sure if Touch of Styx Dark stacks but it came in clutch.

[paper oxide]

touch of styx stacks yeah

[signal hornet]

Oh nice. Lucky for me

[tired shoal]

Crystal Beam hard carried.

[bold jolt]

wr doesn't use pstatus

snurst is just good with hera but you need FF boost earlier

[random forum]

Did it actually

[heavy solar]

My life is a lie

[bold jolt]

i'm pretty sure the only reason why beo uses pstatus is because it can maintain good damage without FF until it gets snurst, as long as you get it in like aspho latest

[vale heart]

Beo is a literal freight train it's gonna have good damage anyway

Case in point the sickos running merciful end on it

[solid fog]

i think ill get started on beo i did like up to 20 heat w just zag

[random forum]

MEowulf

[solid fog]

oh ok

i like it a lot

[random forum]

TFW snurst does half as much as your cast

[bold jolt]

technically 1/4 because mirage

[random forum]

Simply lean heavily into Zeus when your ME fails to scale up

[left ridge]

New PB

[random forum]

Sub11 gang

[vale heart]

Nice job, sub10 when

[left ridge]

Probably not anytime soon, I'm already really happy with having sub11 on two weapons

[vale heart]

You had a sub11 with a super crappy heat for speedrunning, you're already more than capable of getting a sub10 or even sub9 if you run fo2 em2

I believe in you

Plus trippy shot damage takes a bit to actually hit while other casts have quicker damage activation, so you'd honestly go a lot faster with hunting blades/lightning phalanx

[random forum]

Implying they even needed to cast with that build

Lv4 epic jolted triple flurry

[left ridge]

I did cast every now and then 🙈

[vale heart]

So true

Hb would have shaved your time down hard though

[random forum]

Slow but funni

[bold jolt]

damn nice poms

[random forum]

They wouldn’t stop showing up and I’m like having to do mental math for the amount of increase on phalanx vs snurst

[obsidian harness]

casual 15 poms

[random forum]

Don’t boons start at lv1

So only 13 Poms

[heavy solar]

Including the ones that went onto zeus aid and snurst it’s 18

[random forum]

Or am I really unobservant

[heavy solar]

No it’s 15 I can’t count

15 total poms

[random forum]

Oh grizz was right it’s 15 cuz I forgot about Zeus aids

[heavy solar]

Zeus aids 😳

[tired shoal]

No death Hades, didn't even use companion.

[random forum]

Good work

[obsidian harness]

being correct is so fire

[random forum]

No Clockets moment

[bold jolt]

100 clear streak very nice

[violet bloom]

Idk man as

[random forum]

Lots of boons for a non foresight run damn

[heavy solar]

Why bouldy and dusa the truth chironic uniron enjoyer

[tired shoal]

:/

[heavy solar]

If you can do 13 heat with godmode you can do without 👍

[tired shoal]

Yeah, but I don’t wanna.

[heavy solar]

You do you I guess

Why not?

[tired shoal]

I usually use SD.

[heavy solar]

Why?

You aren’t running lc4

I mean it’s based if you use it anyways but I’m interested in knowing why

[tired shoal]

That’s exactly why.

[heavy solar]

So

You use godmode to compensate for usually using sd

?

[tired shoal]

Yep.

[heavy solar]

Does that not defeat the purpose of running SD for the sake of running SD

[tired shoal]

What. No?

[heavy solar]

I think I misunderstand why you’re using SD then

[tired shoal]

Taking 20% dmg is not equivalent ti having at least 3 lives.

[heavy solar]

I mean

I’ve confused myself

Why not not use godmode?

Whatever forget about it
Anyways this is a #h1-discussion moment

[tired shoal]

Not the point.

Streak going strong.

Getting gud is not worth losing a streak.

[random forum]

Streak does absolutely nothing fyi

Also if you die you can give up during the death animation and keep your streak

🧠

[tired shoal]

Okay, that's 5head but I ain't tryna do a whole run over again, it just makes me feelg good.

[vestal pagoda]

5 sack smh

it's funny to see 1/3rd of boss hp bars melting with 1 shot tho

[random forum]

Triple perfect Rama be chonkin

[random forum]

Be-oh, no
Not pictured: holy shield and curse of vengeance I sold asap and tempest strike I sold after mirage

[random forum]

This build sounded a lot better in my head, didn’t get LT

[bold jolt]

tf is lt

[tired shoal]

Tfw u lose Skully's tooth in the first phase but you have Stubborn Roots.

[heavy solar]

Low tolerance

[bold jolt]

we abbreviating all duos now i guess

[heavy solar]

Yup

[bold jolt]

stubborn roots moment

[heavy solar]

Get ready for td because tdash is too long

[bold jolt]

oh bruh you timed out lmfao

[tired shoal]

Srsly how is that regen "slow"?

[heavy solar]

It is slow

[tired shoal]

Not to me.

[bold jolt]

every 32 seconds or whatever idk math, you regen 40
so every 32 seconds you get a free hit from dad

and frankly if youre relying on that sort of regen to beat dad, it wasn't a good build/run

[heavy solar]

Divine protection is that but better

[bold jolt]

yeah

or even spear point tbh

[heavy solar]

If you time out to dad it was a bad build

Btw artemis strike makes 0 sense on fists

[bold jolt]

i mean might've been shafted by styx tunnels but yeah

styx tunnels or bad pact

[heavy solar]

They have god mode on they aren’t taking 40 damage a hit

[bold jolt]

oh right

i dont wanna calc that either way

[random forum]

SR moment*

[heavy solar]

It’s slow when you aren’t running something that effectively multiplies the value of all your hp by 5

If that makes sense

[random forum]

I wonder if god mode actually affects TD damage

[heavy solar]

I don’t think it does

[tired shoal]

Fair.

[heavy solar]

[obsidian harness]

stubborn roots also incredibly bad when you run hl5

[heavy solar]

Then it’s doing about half as much

[obsidian harness]

yea

1 hades hit per minute

[heavy solar]

At that point just hope for divine protection instead

[random forum]

DP moment

Having to buy MS in styxshop 👎
Getting FL in styx tunnels 👍

[random forum]

Ice wine based

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[hollow jacinth]

Be careful, blade dash unlocks cod which is mutually exclusive with mirage

[tired shoal]

SHield.

Rolls.

[random forum]

I saw that, I took blade dash as my last boon though (5sack cringe) but good advice

[vestal pagoda]

i still have no idea how y'all getting those 12min runs
i barely cinch within td3 time lmao

and that's without more heat than 16 for now

then again i run memey stuff so maybe that makes sense

[tired shoal]

Ah, a fellow pro enjoyer I see.

[paper oxide]

#$%&!

[bold jolt]

Rip

[vale heart]

Pause the game when you stop to think, take any and all free rooms, optimize the chances for your build to come online as quickly and strongly as possible, etc. All of this will help you go fast even if you don't know enemy patterns or spawn manips too well.

I had some weird stuff going on in this run and I still pulled a sub 7 time

But there's madmen who've done sub 6 and even sub 5

[paper oxide]

i consistently hit about 10:30

i cannot seem to break 10

except on eris, but eris is cheating basically

because clockets

[vale heart]

Dw same

[paper oxide]

dw?

[vale heart]

That's just because of crappy room and boon rng mostly

Don't worry

[paper oxide]

ah, yeah i definitely always feel like there's some pivotal room that killed it

[vale heart]

If you grind it out you'll eventually get good builds early + good rooms

Yeah there's individual rooms that can cost 20+ seconds even if you're speeding them

[paper oxide]

i've started just not running to buy the last thing in styx that i can afford

[vale heart]

Because even with fo2 witches will just keep spawning for days

Wdym

[paper oxide]

like say you can't buy a pom before you get the sack but you can after

that's still some time to run there

so i don't. at least on runs where it seems less important

[vale heart]

Yeah a single pom by Styx shouldn't really do much for you

For speedrunning you usually want your build to be strong enough to blitz everything by the time you're in Styx anyway

[bold jolt]

Styx shop can be like a 10 second time loss lol

Only worth if you can get rd

[vale heart]

Side note achilles is fun but speedrunning it feels super sus

Mirage beo is a straightforward build path and can still get screwed by rng but like

Achilles wants a 3 god pool + one duo while mirage is also opened and can block blades

[tired shoal]

YO I JUST DID THE ORPHEUS LYRE QUEST!!!

[paper oxide]

achilles doesn't NEED cast

the preferred speedrun builds are like flurry jab zeus or flurry jab artemis. the cast is important and helpful but if you don't get that duo it's still nbd

[paper oxide]

NICE I only just completed that a few days ago after 500 runs. i was basically just hitting the lyre on my way out once

[bold jolt]

Lightning phalanx and hb is good boss damage tho

Makes them really short

[tired shoal]

You gotta practice a bit.

[bold jolt]

But yeah you can def get a sub10 withoit a cast lol

[tired shoal]

I did it in three runs.

[paper oxide]

isn't it like 250 plays?

you just stood in front of the lyre spamming interact?

[bold jolt]

210

But yeah pain

[tired shoal]

Ye.

It wasn’t hard.

And it was fun.

[vale heart]

bosses take long time with no cast

[versed crane]

Phalanx boss damage:

Op for heroes i guess

[bold jolt]

yea

was too lazy to be specific

it's kinda good for lernie heads too tho

furies is easy so it's whatever as well
so really it's just dad fight thats an issue

[heavy solar]

Just get an exchange for crush shot

[tired shoal]

^

[heavy solar]

It’s that easy

[paper oxide]

furies are responsible for at least half of my high heat deaths

[bold jolt]

well if you're speedrunning it's cakewalk

[paper oxide]

true

[vale heart]

Furies have never been an issue for me at heat it's always the damn aspho/ely enemies

speeder drakons without athena :')

[tired shoal]

Can't believe I made a new record while playing casually, I actually waited on Dice to finish her song.

[bold jolt]

eurydice and other story rooms pauses timer

[random forum]

All sword hammers are a downgrade when they show up instead of the boons

[heavy solar]

Story rooms pause the timer

Sisyphus, eury, and patty all pause the timer

[tired shoal]

Lel.

[random forum]

Poor decisions were made

[bold jolt]

big special tho

[random forum]

It was critting so much in ely

Decided to stop during dad fight

Bouldy 2% special carried

[tired shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/bouldy-gif-20989182

[random forum]

Vicious cycle ares aid holy moly

[tired shoal]

It carried me the most.

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

I didn't even get to pop Mort or my Call before Dad died.

[vale heart]

Cskewer is additive isn't it

I actually don't know

[heavy solar]

no

it's base damage

[vale heart]

Massive pog

Nevermind chaos goes hard

[tired shoal]

What does the second bar of Hades’ keepsake do?

[vale heart]

Going from 300% damage to 424 is still really nice

But like

224% x 300%

6x damage special Jesus

[random forum]

Then crit

[tired shoal]

Ye.

[random forum]

I crit with the special for 1500 on a mini butterfly ball

[vale heart]

Gy special is 45 damage base right

[random forum]

Yes

[vale heart]

270+ non crit on a full skewer

A tiny bit more with the art percentage boost but eh

[vale heart]

This do be nutty but then hestia does more damage in a faster rotation 😔

[heavy solar]

hoarding slash is straight up extra damage thrown on way after
the reason for this is something I cannot conjure up in my mind

that's interesting

[vale heart]

It's literally the last thing yeah

[paper oxide]

AHHHHH it was almost sub 8! wooooo!

splash dash coming in clutch as usual. pretty sure zeusattackbolt is jolt. random common level 3 jolt barely falling behind XD

[bold jolt]

Heck yeah buddy

[paper oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/sanic-the-hedgehob-running-gotta-go-fast-fast-gif-4964355

[bold jolt]

Nyoom

[hollow jacinth]

It was very, very, comfortably sub 8!

GG

[paper oxide]

from the position i was in before? yeah that hades fight was incredibly sloppy

lol

[hollow jacinth]

You had 28 days

I think that’s very comfortable

[paper oxide]

autocorrect?

[hollow jacinth]

8! =8x7x6…x1

[heavy solar]

👍

!8

[vale heart]

It is, yep

Congrats though! Sub7 club membership when

[paper oxide]

🤦‍♂️

[vale heart]

Factorials deserve to be shot

The only valid math is multiplying the movement speed boosts from the 47 ichor I've accumulated

[paper oxide]

oh yeah i forgot to keep mine from this run

[vale heart]

?

[hollow jacinth]

The limit L (of course)

[tired shoal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1031568485857370113/1032815385608724521/unknown.png

[bold jolt]

Legacy moment

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

Average Legacy Run:

[tame spire]

turns out all you need to beat td is damage

[versed crane]

explosive shot

[heavy solar]

It’s not like defence is helping you kill things faster

[random forum]

Good job!

Keep it up

[random forum]

Simply get Clockets but no flourish until Styx

And no smair ever

[tame spire]

daedalus hammers carried my first guan yu win

[random forum]

Lv1 guan yu clear = omega gamer

[vale heart]

hmm yes shackle for no reason

Also why would you need smair

It's Eris, just take dad call and hit clockets

[random forum]

Because I was worried I would lose 😦

I took shackle because I had no special until Styx tunnels and wasn’t sure if aphro would show up lol

[vale heart]

my brother in christ it's 9 heat clockets eris

[random forum]

Brother in eris*

[tame spire]

so that's why I thought guan yu was so hard to use lmao

[obsidian harness]

demeter castspect

[bold jolt]

based

dem is just worse talos

[obsidian harness]

also epic greatest reflex with breaching cross

[random forum]

Based theme

[vale heart]

I want an epic greatest reflex hyper delivery gilga build

When will the gods bless us

[tired shoal]

Lel.

[vale heart]

How tf did this almost beat my pb

[heavy solar]

Is giga gaming

[vale heart]

Easy sub7 if I had crystal clarity tbh

what's ls again 🗿

[tired shoal]

You’re just goated with the sauce.

[bold jolt]

eris moment

[paper oxide]

dang i think i had it at sub10 if i had found ME or RD oh well

maybe wanted to run legacy

[tired shoal]

EM4 goes hard, with Divinity I still lost 2 defies.

[tired shoal]

You would've thought I had a cast build.

[tawdry root]

nope, everyone knows that fully loaded only comes to those that are not running a cast build. if you're running a castspect, you will never see it

i pb'd by three seconds holy crap everyone clap for me

[tired shoal]

AwesomeZ

[tawdry root]

i thought the bot pinged me to watch my language 5 minutes after i sent the message 😭

thank you lol

[lunar peak]

I'm still between cast and shot chaos boons for Hera runs. Anyone reckon if loading five shots with trippy/crush shot is better than loading less with increased damage?

Damage increase vs. cast amount increase basically

[tired shoal]

Quantity is better than quality on this oneZ

[lunar peak]

Ah sick, I was thinking that but thought I'd just check

[hollow jacinth]

Depends on how much cast damage is offered, how many stones you already have, how much cast/global damage you already have

So can’t really give an answer here

Ideally you want both, lol

[lunar peak]

Both with my luck is a lot of key chasing for fated persuasion lol, I'll get lucky eventually.

*fated

[stone blaze]

so... I just found out how good blitz disc is, that's cool I guess

[random forum]

Lightning rod secret op

[random forum]

Lightning phalanx nemesis

[stone blaze]

not really any good but... huh

if I was going for time or high heat this could've been a really good run lol, p sure it was my first sub 2 minute hades fight, sheesh

[random forum]

Conc volley Chiron is blessed

[stone blaze]

does seem quite nice

kind of wish I got the other instead but...

[stone blaze]

ok, base damage is 15, 0-21/2 is 11.5, yeah each shot gets like +70% base damage, yeah fair enough conc volley > volume hammer

[random forum]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/989610739721441330/chiron_bow_spread_sheet.png

[stone blaze]

? it said 15 when I shot skelly lol

[bold jolt]

10 or 15, conc is always better lol

[stone blaze]

yes I already said it was better after a tiny bit of math

the confusion was that the graph says 10 even tho shooting skelly said 15 so apparently it was wrong or I had some modifier

[random forum]

Shadow presence possibly

[random forum]

Good job!

[tired shoal]

Tough as all hell, but I made it.

Now to do it with just SD and HC.

[vale heart]

Really sloppy but I got it

[hollow jacinth]

Niceeee

Quicker than me

[vale heart]

I thought you have sub 6s???

[hollow jacinth]

Only on gilga

My eris pb is 6:59 iirc

[vale heart]

But-

Was your sub 6 rail on hestia then

[hollow jacinth]

yeah

[hollow jacinth]

Yes

Gilga was a joke

I have 3 sub 6s on beo and 1 on hesty

[vale heart]

Sobbing

Legit no idea how I'm gonna get a sub 6

[hollow jacinth]

Watch other people’s vids

And practice

[vale heart]

I literally went for sub7 on other weapons because I didn't want to suffer grinding out sub6

[hollow jacinth]

Once you feel good enough, run the slots for a while

And it’ll come

Some tidal dash poms may help too

[vale heart]

On beo?

🗿

[hollow jacinth]

Eris

[vale heart]

Oh, I got tdash late lmao

Rd and tdash both came in ely

[hollow jacinth]

I think my eris pb is due an update

[random forum]

Simply never get the duo you’ve been eligible for since c6

[obsidian harness]

no mirage shot 😞

[tawdry root]

see you were running legacy. if you want duos you run pride

[violet bloom]

play with no mirror

you get all the boons that way

[hollow jacinth]

Fr

[left ridge]

No mirage shot but still a decent run

[random forum]

This caused me physical pain

[obsidian harness]

carried by mort

[heavy solar]

Finally

[random forum]

Carried by CoN tbh

[heavy solar]

Ngl bouldy hard carried

[tired shoal]

As he does.

[heavy solar]

I forgot to switch to meg after darkness farming

[heavy solar]

I think dad was in bubble for longer then he wasn’t ngl

I hit almost everything

[tawdry root]

curse of pain, curse of agony, curse of vengeance, curse of longing, curse of nausea, curse of drowning

lots of curses

[heavy solar]

Matty

I just got a c11 than room

[vestal pagoda]

who needs to attack, cast, or special when you got this

[tired shoal]

I SEEK VENGEANCE!!!!

[heavy solar]

Smh no facetank ME

[vestal pagoda]

i would've but i kinda didn't want to take my left hand off the keyboard

[heavy solar]

?

[rotund sphinx]

That was a fun run

[bold jolt]

Based

[tired shoal]

Longest I've ever fought Hades.

[random forum]

Lv1 gy but you turned gm back on L

[tired shoal]

Get bent, it’s gy.

It’s practically made for divinity.

[vestal pagoda]

beam

[random forum]

Memebeam Arthur shol

[tired shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-the-laser-austin-powers-laser-surprised-shocked-gif-17302164

[vestal pagoda]

game just kept givin beams

so im like ok

[tired shoal]

Cap.

[tired shoal]

Just went: “Ai, bet.”

-30?

Bro, I was at 15 health at start.

It balances out.

Because I’m based.

[random forum]

Hades but you have 15hp but everything does 1 dmg

[empty crane]

demeter gaming

[tired shoal]

Nice.

[heavy solar]

Everything lined up

[bold jolt]

rd goes hard

[tired shoal]

^

[tired shoal]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[random forum]

Is that rd? If so it must be a plume rd because there’s no other Hermes lol

Me expecting lightning to strike twice and being disappointed when it doesn’t

[vestal pagoda]

crit

[random forum]

Ayo

[stone blaze]

also this is super old by now but tbf I only had 6 arrows I think? for sometime

[tired shoal]

Based.

[random forum]

Chiron starts with fewer arrows until you max it yes

[subtle swallow]

First 40 heat clear

[bold jolt]

Gaming

[random forum]

True but it’s also not rd

Icon different

[heavy solar]

Facts

[heavy solar]

My graph is flying about

[heavy solar]

Did you have shadow presence on?

[stone blaze]

yeah that would do it

[bold jolt]

Gaming

[heavy solar]

[hollow jacinth]

yoo

[stone blaze]

that was an incredibly scary FO1 EM4

and aside from the anvil not giving me pulverizing it wasn't even that bad of a build >_>

took an anvil (yes I know anvil manip exists + is super trivial to do but no I don't want to until I'm at least doing like, the super high heat runs or whatever)

I think clouded judgement probably kept me alive (even if it stopped me from putting a bloodstone in him + specialing and M1ing him when he healed right after going into phase 3, so... maybe it almost cost me the run instead of saving it? idk)

[tired shoal]

Damnz

[heavy solar]

I'm not sure if pulverizing is exactly relevant here
also you did zeus^2 backwards lmao

[stone blaze]

zeus^2 backwards?

[heavy solar]

I mean

zeus on zeus shield usually goes on special and possibly call but you've it on strike and cast

[stone blaze]

oh lol

[heavy solar]

you could've manipulated the anvil for it but I don't think pulverising is important on any shield unless maybe zag shield?

[stone blaze]

that's still a lottttttaaa damage

you say that like it wouldn't potentially help an absolute ton

[heavy solar]

well

how often are you standing striking on shield

[stone blaze]

yes my boons are wrong whatever

decently often

I do it even more often if I have pulverizing :^)

[heavy solar]

I don't think shield attacks fast enough for zeus on strike to be worth it even if you have pulverising\

nana's sanity check me pls

[bold jolt]

pulv blow actually would've made zeus shield a lot worse
it makes it take longer to put down a block for standing attacks

[heavy solar]

I'm not crazy

[stone blaze]

put down a block for standing attacks?

[heavy solar]

blocking

[bold jolt]

or a charged shot

[heavy solar]

from standing

starting your bullrush

takes longer with pulv blow

[stone blaze]

why do I want to bull rush I'm doing zeus shield

[bold jolt]

well you also have charged shot first of all
secondly you bull rush to your disk

[heavy solar]

because pulling up your bullrush blocks crap

[bold jolt]

and yeah blocking is busted on shield

[stone blaze]

charged shot was from an anvil

which I took because I didn't like my current hammers and wanted pulverizing

block is v stupid I agree

[heavy solar]

they didn't say it was stupid

they said it was busted

unless busted = stupid?

[bold jolt]

stupid good

busted good

[stone blaze]

both stupid and busted

I've been saying shield runs (well ok bull rush + hope you get minotaur) is like babies first hades clear

[bold jolt]

minotaur rush isn't great lmao

[heavy solar]

minotaur rush is like

nah

takes too long

imo

even with charged shot and sudden rush idk

[heavy solar]

shield is also like
good players 100th clear
so

shield isn't just a weapon for those new to the game

[tired shoal]

Yuh.

Fists.

[heavy solar]

I may have just read you wrong and interpreted what you said wrong?

[tired shoal]

Fists get all the newbies.

[heavy solar]

anyone of any skill level can like and use any weapon

[tired shoal]

Me / Bow

Lel.

[random forum]

#h1-discussion

[lunar peak]

was this a good poseidon aspect build?

the blizzard shot did a 7k damage which ive never done before

[random forum]

Blizzard shot is massively based

[heavy solar]

Blizzard shot my beloved

[lunar peak]

how does it actually even work??? what makes it deal so much damage i maen just flood shot is only 200 and if shards are only 20 how was the 7k possible

unless i saw wrong

[heavy solar]

if you fired off 3 casts the damage numbers probably all melded together

also rd

and it's completely possible you saw wrong

[random forum]

Damage from same sources does add up into the same number

On screen

[vale heart]

Jesus christ finally

[bold jolt]

based

[bold jolt]

oh bruh epic rd and chaos

[vale heart]

I spent a good chunk of yesterday + half of today grinding this

The pain

[bold jolt]

i thought you said you werent gonna grind for sub 7s lol

and yet here you are

[vale heart]

No you just told me not to

Doesn't mean I was gonna listen

[bold jolt]

lmao fair

[vale heart]

Styx really sucked w this build tho

[bold jolt]

tdash tho?

[vale heart]

I'm speedrunning and not using eris

I need typhoon or bwave

[bold jolt]

ah fair

[vale heart]

Like yeah it's cool to just mash buttons at them and watch them die in seconds but like

When beo/eris/hera can just nuke them out of existence with one button that speed seems less speedy

[obsidian harness]

not even close

this was kinda nuts

over 70% damage reduction needed to carry this awful aspect

[tired shoal]

Lel.

Sigma Warden

[random forum]

Gj

You ever build entirely around a duo and a hammer you never get

[tired shoal]

I just realised I’m not gonna win.

It’s EM4 and I don’t have tooth.

[bold jolt]

truly a victorious boast

[tired shoal]

Le sigh…

I got through one bubble.

[stone blaze]

https://imgur.com/a/hVaJBVj this was goofy

heavy knuckle was because I wasn't paying attention/thinking when I picked the hammer (I knew it wasn't gonna help, only realized after picking it "oh crap my demeter specials are almost non-existent now"), then got both nausea + low tolerance and if I did the hades fight again I would've tried to make a point of using the 1/4 bars + making sure he's weak for the... idk

17x8x23/second=just under 408 dps so probably around 300-400 if I had kept it up (while also making sure he's constantly weak)

also just being a tanky mofo with 452 health? geez what is this an arthur run?

[random forum]

Gj

[stone blaze]

I think I've done EM4 at least once w/ every wep now so that's something even if the fists seemed like they just got ridiculous luck, I also nerfed myself by making demeter special really hard to use

[random forum]

Yeah heavy knuckle is noooot recommended for dem fist

[tired shoal]

Really?

[stone blaze]

what

[stone blaze]

you do like only half as many hits as not taking it does

and then it takes a really long time to be able to use the special

[tired shoal]

Blood and Darkness…

EM4 is busted.

[tired shoal]

Oh….

[stone blaze]

no comment

[tired shoal]

Well still, more damage on the charge punches.

I think it balances out.

[stone blaze]

do you mean the special

[tired shoal]

Ye.

[stone blaze]

heavy knuckle only affects the normal attack

[tired shoal]

Ye, but u do normal attacks to charge.

And therefore there’s some benefit.

[stone blaze]

base damage is like 15 or smthn

5x15=75 of a standard combo, heavy knuckle is 3x40, and it takes so much longer to do demeter now

just because you get some benefit does not under any circumstances make it even

[tired shoal]

Eh, I get through mobs faster.

[stone blaze]

although its not like you'd understand that :^)

[obsidian harness]

let’s not be so arrogant

everyone gets their opinion

[tired shoal]

That's not...

[tired shoal]

I don't think they meant it like that.

I think they meant in game it doesn't show that.

[obsidian harness]

doesn’t show what

[tired shoal]

The damage difference.

Well not that, but pretty much the whole calculation.

[obsidian harness]

the game directly tells you all of that iirc

“Your Attack becomes a slower 3-hit sequence, each deals 40 base damage.”

[tired shoal]

Yeah, you're not gonna think "Man, I hit 5 times usually for a standard combo".

[obsidian harness]

that’s exactly what i think

even then it says it’s slower, which by itself is worse for demeter

and is the actual problem since you usually just reset the combo with dask strike(s) anyway

if you had a 200 hit combo with the same speed it wouldn’t change much for dem besides like conc knuckle

[lunar peak]

was cold embrace supposed to be good at all? i nearly died but happened to get a trippy shot replacement which dealt so much damage

i also got it to lv11 somehow

[tired shoal]

Bouldy carried tbh.

[tired shoal]

Hestia frux.

[north turtle]

Cold Embrace has always felt a little eh, in theory having control over the beam makes it really powerful but I always run into positioning issues

[tired shoal]

Huh, I haven’t had that problem.

[north turtle]

It’s like, i either maximize the beam or i maximize me hitting things and those two sometimes feel mutually exclusive lmao

[left ridge]

Painfully slow run, almost ran out of time in Tartarus and only got my first hammer in Elysium

[tired shoal]

Why don't y'all run sword when Arthur's this busted?

[lunar peak]

wait jacksepticeye played hades?

[tired shoal]

Yep.

Just not on yt.

Twitch only.

I’m binging em.

He still hasn’t beaten Hades yet lol.

Are the themes a mod?

[fleet urchin]

classic rockets

[tired shoal]

Another boulder carry.

[autumn bronze]

if you mean on the victory screens they can be bought from the house contractor

[tired shoal]

Quul, what are they called?

Do u know how to unlock em?

[heavy solar]

This was certainly an interesting build…

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[tame spire]

poseidon shot hera bad :(

rapid fire poseidon triple shot good tho

[tired shoal]

Indeed.

[vestal pagoda]

i still have no idea how ppl do these times on rail, it feels so clunky not being able to hitstun with attack

i tried hestia yday and got timeouted on td2

in ely

[hollow jacinth]

What level hestia

[tired shoal]

Same.

[tame spire]

I just use the bomb

[hollow jacinth]

The answer is a ton of practice

[tame spire]

em3 minotaur spooky

[tired shoal]

Also same.

[tired shoal]

Wait til em4.

[left ridge]

With the clockets or hazard bomb, it's very powerful

and tbh I don't really feel like I'm doing anything special, it's mostly practice

[vestal pagoda]

5

[tired shoal]

Based Mirror.

You’re lucky I got DD tbh.

[fleet urchin]

Hoarding slash+double edge

with merciful end

[bold jolt]

this is an MEment

[vale heart]

This aspect is cursed

[random forum]

How to hate yourself

Play gy

Or trippy beo

[versed crane]

Gy free

[last fern]

50% dodge chance is fun

[random forum]

Zagplume game fisting

[paper oxide]

Wooo sub 9 fists!

[random forum]

Cracked build fr

[paper oxide]

😄

[obsidian harness]

level 8 curse of agony level 0 impending

gg

[paper oxide]

I didn't find impending until Elyisium and none of my poms hit it

[vale heart]

😩

[paper oxide]

what's wrong lol

[vale heart]

No that's a good thing

[paper oxide]

that face is literally "weary"

[obsidian harness]

idk how to explain that emoji but it’s good

[random forum]

🗿

[paper oxide]

ok lol

[vale heart]

It's basically a nut emoji

[random forum]

🥜

[vale heart]

Sub8 hestia 😩

[bold jolt]

gaming

[vale heart]

It's such a cool aspect but sucks how clockets basically just turns it into budget eris 😔

That being said clockets go brrrr

[bold jolt]

lmao clockets moment

wait arty atk hesty is that actually the meta for speed lmao

oh wait tdash start and then picked up arty atk

[vale heart]

Not even

[obsidian harness]

sigil start duh

[vale heart]

I got flayed strike in tart

[obsidian harness]

chaos boons are nuts

[vale heart]

Then swapped to art

Idk maybe I should've just gone aphro?

[bold jolt]

maybe

[vale heart]

But it doesn't matter too much, it did big damage anyway

[bold jolt]

true

[vale heart]

Probably should've been aphro yeah just bc I only got one chaos attack boon

There were a couple times where it didn't quite hit a break point but I don't mind too much since I got a nice time even without being cracked at hestia

Aspect's super fun though

[tired shoal]

Damn...

Fogot it was em4.

[vale heart]

lmao what

they redact hades' name?

moment

[vestal pagoda]

i am 🏎️

wish i could also get some ichors in but oh well
of course this is the run where i don't get rush delivery

[random forum]

NYOOOOOOOM

[bold jolt]

rip no rd

[obsidian harness]

ruthless reflex too

[vale heart]

Personally I would've just gotten Styx hermes

[tame spire]

beo crit go brrr

[tired shoal]

Inded.

Beo Supremacy.

[tired shoal]

Zagfist Plume Gaming.

[stone blaze]

https://imgur.com/a/FkAi1zh

could've been TD3 too smh

[tired shoal]

Bouldy carried as per uze.

[tired shoal]

NIIIIICE

[random forum]

Good job new pb

[tired shoal]

Hey I just beat em4 with no god mode c’mon.

I didn’t lose any death defies in the fight.

[stone blaze]

tbf people are gonna just think "oh he's using godmode again" when they see anything

if you actually did get it tho nice, good stuff ^^

[stone blaze]

(that said certain boons/combos can sort of trivialize runs so even though its a PB I 100% don't feel like I've truly done EM4 FO2

like ffs

I almost skipped cerberus because my DPS was so high, it was that bad

(idk if you can actually do that, but I came p damn close and probably could've with the same build if I was better w/ APM/management lol)

[north turtle]

Epic Rush Delivery, it’s like steroids

[stone blaze]

yeah uhhhhhh

its some good sh!t

I almost took the 20% faster-damage special boon until I asked myself "what is rush delivery actually saying" and realized ohhhhhhhh yeah that could be like... rly fckin' good"

[tired shoal]

So… Because you had a good run it doesn’t count? I disagree.

[stone blaze]

I RNG'd the hell out of it

[tired shoal]

Hades is an rng game.

[stone blaze]

like sure there was probably some good movement but it takes WAY more skill to still clutch out a win w/ an awful build (or one that's merely average) than to bulldoze everything because "haha rush delivery + ice wine (didn't even use it that much because I forgot) + pulverizing + a bunch of attack boosts + constant crits (20% after deflecting - my attack was divine + mark a nearby opponent for 30%)

I agree with the "its an RNG game"

[tired shoal]

So why’d you choose a good build then?

[stone blaze]

speedruns are whatever

I took the best out of the boons that were available to me that was all lol

its not much of a boss fight if you just sort of... melt everything

I just like knowing I'm challenging myself even if its because my boons happen to suck/not really work with each other 🤷