h1-high-heat-strategies

[half heart]

[undone tartan]

I’ve gotten to Styx hitless twice

[mossy zinc]

@undone tartan 🔫 https://clips.twitch.tv/TrustworthyPreciousJayMcaT-GM7rxScsaehtl7iw

[undone tartan]

It’s uploading

I’ll submit it though

[mossy zinc]

And congratulations!

[undone tartan]

Thanks

Also gonna submit to SRC to get another easy (PS5) world record

[hoary pasture]

[mossy zinc]

Another run carried by Lady Aphrodite.

[jaunty falcon]

Demeter

[hoary pasture]

By aphro aid

[undone tartan]

I will admit that aphro aid did help for EM4 (I got it in the sack room btw). But probably not any more than any other call would

[mossy zinc]

Maybe I should I install my PS5 game and snatch some easy WRs.

[undone tartan]

nahhhh that won’t be necessary

[hoary pasture]

Barrel roll this

[jaunty falcon]

I held the PS5 Rama record for a short while

[undone tartan]

I literally have PS5 anyheat wr still

[jaunty falcon]

I accidentally submitted a run as PS5

[undone tartan]

Lmao

[cursive portal]

On special only

:croven:

[hoary pasture]

Modded ps5

[jaunty falcon]

8:1x

Idk how that slipped by

[cursive portal]

Thats such a stupid run in hindsight

[jaunty falcon]

Maybe the verifiers were too engrossed in my quality one button gameplay

I don’t want to beat it because it only feels acceptable past tart if you get like 4 Zeus boons and RD

Which isn’t fun resetting for

[undone tartan]

Special only Rama anyheat?

[hoary pasture]

It also sucks in Tart if you get armored louts or thugs

[jaunty falcon]

Yea lol

[jaunty falcon]

Yep

[undone tartan]

Interesting

Why run that more than once

[mossy zinc]

They were too focused on counting crits.

[jaunty falcon]

True

I’ll count them rq

[undone tartan]

Why

[jaunty falcon]

0

Artemis wasn’t in the pool

[undone tartan]

Nice

I missed the joke

[mossy zinc]

But that doesn't prove that every hit wasn't a crit.

Gotta count to make sure.

[jaunty falcon]

True

15 damage special crits

[mossy zinc]

Every hit needs to be documented with screenshots.

[undone tartan]

You know when I entered the hades fight in that run, I was pretty sure I was gonna lose

Since I was lower on time than I’m generally comfortable with, and I lost my touch of Styx dark to a 3-sack

[hoary pasture]

That’s the strat

When you’re excited you get nervous and you lose

[undone tartan]

And that’s why my heart rate skyrocketed

Because I was like what I could actually win???

[hoary pasture]

If the run is dead it’s fine

[cursive portal]

Dad is a chump

[hoary pasture]

True

[jaunty falcon]

“just get a 1:08 styx + dad! you can do this”

[hoary pasture]

Except when it’s not

[cursive portal]

My 60 beo doesn't have patty which is kinda funny

[undone tartan]

Btw c33 fountain. If that had been a combat, I would 100% have timed out and lost

[hoary pasture]

Both my 55s don’t have patty

Patty on beo is cursed

[undone tartan]

Although tbf it was a 3-sack so it goes both ways

[hoary pasture]

Beo too good doesn’t need it

[jaunty falcon]

My 54 has patty but didn’t need it

I took 2 non acorn hits in the whole fight

[hoary pasture]

53 beo took me more tries than 55

[jaunty falcon]

45 hestia took me more tries than 50

[cursive portal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/921531106145210388/2013.png

Remember when this happened

[jaunty falcon]

32 took more than 50

[cursive portal]

That was really funny

[undone tartan]

I lost all my acorn charges before he hit half health in phase 1

[cursive portal]

I did unmodded zag shield 60 in 3 attempts

That run is so

[undone tartan]

And they weren’t to his summon

[cursive portal]

Unbelievably stupid

[hoary pasture]

Okay new goal for pancake beat em4 without losing acorn

[cursive portal]

GL

[undone tartan]

Ok I’ll do 10 heat EM4 Hestia EZ

[hoary pasture]

Deadline 24 hours

[undone tartan]

TD-500

[cursive portal]

You should do Rama

[hoary pasture]

Pact: FO2 CP2

[cursive portal]

Fo0 em4 rama is the dream

Powershots for days

[hoary pasture]

Explosive powershots even

[undone tartan]

I still have no idea how to avoid Cerberus

[cursive portal]

Pause buffer

[hoary pasture]

Are you hiding bottom right corner?

[cursive portal]

Then get rekt anyway

[hoary pasture]

Meg

No joke

[cursive portal]

If you have a call you can sorta i frame but dont try to lmao

[hoary pasture]

What why

iframing with a call is very easy

[undone tartan]

When possible yes but also that doesn’t always work

[hoary pasture]

Yea there is no 100% safe spot

[undone tartan]

Yes but cerb projectiles are weird

[cursive portal]

The invul calls leave you vulnerable when dad comes back first of all

Unless it's athena call im not comfortable using it

[hoary pasture]

I mean just any call

Like Zeus

Poseidon or ares I hate

[cursive portal]

[undone tartan]

Beyblade call

[hoary pasture]

I would use a beyblade call to iframe

Only if it’s a greater call tho

[jaunty falcon]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message my greatest achievement

[undone tartan]

WAIT WTF

I WAS USING SHADOW PRESENCE

LMAO

[cursive portal]

I mean its not that bad your cast cant receive the bonus

But probably didn't help your tart

[undone tartan]

Definitely not

Or my Styx for that matter

[cursive portal]

Cp2 tart breakpoints are cursed af

[hoary pasture]

Thunder flare can backstab

[cursive portal]

So many beo bugs just living rent free in my head

[undone tartan]

Yeah something about my breakpoints felt scuffed but I couldn’t quite place it

[cursive portal]

I hate it

[bronze rapids]

they're not bugs they're features

[mossy zinc]

That's the secret to beat EM4, evidently.

For you anyway.

[undone tartan]

Well no it was on for my other 3 attempts of the night as well

[mossy zinc]

Those don't count.

[quartz mantle]

That is the benefit of EM4

I love that rush

[undone tartan]

Nyaa there’s no PS5 option for platform so I said switch

But my run has been submitted

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, @shy plinth was gonna look into removing the platform column anyway.

[ashen garnet]

Do it 👀

[mossy zinc]

That's a lot of time starting a new save just to troll UnholyPancake.

[ashen garnet]

Isn't there a way to export/import a save from pc to consoles ?

Like, if it was me, I'd definitely not have the dedication to grind a new save, and so i'd not buy a console version

[mossy zinc]

Not on PS.

[ashen garnet]

Hoping it happens at some point

[half heart]

PC version superior for me - I don't need version of game on the consoles

[ashen garnet]

Same to me, but having a cross-platforms possibility is always nice in case you don't have a pc available

[quartz mantle]

I bought a hard copy of the switch version when it came out just cause I wanted to so now I have both

[mossy zinc]

I just bought a physical booklet with of a picture of Lady Aphrodite that came with the game and I think pictures of other characters. Not sure, I didn't look.

[flat flicker]

ill get it when PS game pass comes out

[bronze rapids]

Didn't you already have the PS5 hades?

[undone tartan]

Why are you so enthusiastic about this

[hoary pasture]

@jaunty falcon I had a similar run like 2 days ago

kept 5 rolls for wells

[jaunty falcon]

I had 3 rolls coming into second styx tunnel and spend them all looking for Zeus aid

Got the dash

Then got the aid in styx shop

[hoary pasture]

worth

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/950309797956321300/Hades_KQWT4lOvBb.png

[jaunty falcon]

I would have died if I didn’t have the aid

Yeah that’s like the exact same thing

But you did wayyyy better against dad

[pseudo kernel]

yall cant beat my run :croven:

[jaunty falcon]

True

[hoary pasture]

yea dad fight was also like 1:58 or something

[jaunty falcon]

If there was a vod for that I’d pay to watch it

[hoary pasture]

damage gud

[pseudo kernel]

yeah i wish i recorded that

[half heart]

Can we get the footage of such run?

[hoary pasture]

What run

[jaunty falcon]

The one I posted in victory boasting is processing atm

It’s like 6th on the modded leaderboard 🤔

[pseudo kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/880877994019794944/Screenshot_425.png

[hoary pasture]

damn that's juicy

I have a similar run

But it's very cursed

you have to pay close attention

[jaunty falcon]

Me 🤝 @hoary pasture 🤝 @pseudo kernel

Having stupid fast 50 heat beo runs with stupid slow pacts

[half heart]

Whoever can upload your runs - I can watch and learn to be better at beo

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/931183822723231764/Hades_MynKNjwzuc.png

take a good look

[jaunty falcon]

Cshot

[hoary pasture]

ill give you a hint

it was 4:12 Aspho exit

[jaunty falcon]

cshot good

[hoary pasture]

Well it was more that the second chaos you see is a very nice juicy slippery curse

[jaunty falcon]

My splits were 2:35 5:15 8:40 10:10

[jaunty falcon]

I don’t remember the curse names lmao

[hoary pasture]

yea slippery is the one where you cant grab your casts anymore

[jaunty falcon]

Oh god

[hoary pasture]

so yea my Ely was 5 minutes

[jaunty falcon]

Cshot good

[hoary pasture]

pace slipped away

[hoary pasture]

I have some 55 Heat Beo

I uploaded one recently, pretty clean overall

compared to my original 55

I took like 100 damage in the dad fight

[half heart]

I probably forgot about it cause of my job

[jaunty falcon]

My heroes fight was so clean

Until boom

[half heart]

Is it this one? https://youtu.be/FiFrm-C6-Ns

[jaunty falcon]

Theseus pew pew

Acorn gone

[hoary pasture]

yup

[half heart]

What I noticed lately that I like to have sturdy on myself

Dmg reduction + poise

[hoary pasture]

Sturdy was actually very amazing in this one

[pseudo kernel]

he got that double sturdy with unyielding defense and hyper sprint

double damage reduction 🧠

[jaunty falcon]

Sheesh

Sturdy with it 🥶

[half heart]

Imagine Excalibur aura, weakened with one boon to make even weaker, sturdy + athena deflections

[jaunty falcon]

Now imagine if damage reduction applied additively

[pseudo kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/834866333970595911/Screenshot_175.png

imagine

this would be like 500% damage reduction

enemies literally heal me

[jaunty falcon]

Miner

[half heart]

I know I know - like mathematic limits of functions

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/950490634026897408/unknown.png

spins doing 29 is pretty damn good

[half heart]

So you can never have 100%, but be very close to it

It always throws me when you just brute force every room and then suddenly the worst possible mobs with buffs option and you spend 60+ seconds on this

Like something around 4:00 on Mike's video

I'm surprised you sold pressure points

[hoary pasture]

It's to get more poms on my cast

[half heart]

Understandable

[hoary pasture]

I dont think lv3 is quite enough for my liking

Got 2 other poms through Aspho so that was solid

Like I don't think PP would've done much anyway

It'll crit sometimes

Also FF is pretty bad here

because I was selling everything

But I ended up with 20% I think so turned out okay ig

[half heart]

I mean there was always 1% chance for fully loaded

But yeah, not worth it on such high heat run

[hoary pasture]

Yea technically if I got Support Fire + PP and saw more Artemis

But it's too much of a highroll

cant really rely on it

Well items are too good

If you get lucky like I did here it helps so much

You could get even luckier and carry a braid into all of Elysium or something

I only had stuff here for Styx + dad

Which is major still but ye

[half heart]

I also buy items on well, but I don't feel the need of charon keepsake

[hoary pasture]

Cast aspects can gain a lot from Well items, without the keepsake they last for 6 encounters so they'll expire pretty fast

You'll only make use of them that way if you get a well in a styx tunnel

Well items are nice overall but like bosses are the big pain here since CP2 EM3/EM4 etc

So I'd like to carry it for those if possible

And EM3 is easy enough atm that I dont need a defensive keepsake anymore

Any well item you get from C29 onward is gonna get carried til the end of the run assuming it's a 2 sack

So you could start getting massive value very early in elysium

I think I rolled 3 wells in this one

really trying for it

[half heart]

[hoary pasture]

Gotta hit Jackpot at some point

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/950495837941792838/chrome_4QiE3JkqNi.png

A sight to behold on a cast weapon

[undone tartan]

10%

Or I guess if it’s AP2 then 3.3%

[solemn pulsar]

Nah just 10%

10% roll per slot

And you get 1 slot

[undone tartan]

Oh right

Forgot that’s how it works

[cursive portal]

@hoary pasture what is that meg on dad

[hoary pasture]

ty

[cursive portal]

Reminds me of loyalty card

[hoary pasture]

i was preparing it for a whole 5 seconds

[cursive portal]

Where you pop mort before charon phases

[hoary pasture]

yea it was such a dumb move ngl

I blame it on the chill

Making him take longer to get out of the bubble

My meg was perfectly well timed

[undone tartan]

@mossy zinc https://youtu.be/Rv1Oen4fvpI

What kinda jank is that

He stopped moving for a full two seconds

Then

SPIN

[pseudo kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[undone tartan]

I just feel like my call should not be able to cause that to happen

[ripe ermine]

Yeah if I’ve got Aphro call and have to use it to get out of a jam against Dad I just fire and keep my distance until he does… whatever weirdo thing he’s gonna do

[undone tartan]

Yeah I’ve learned my lesson I guess

After using aphro aid, stay far away at least until he does a new attack

[flat flicker]

we're still on about aphrodite's aid?

lmao wow

well my game works again but im rusty

stay tuned

[undone tartan]

Bad boon but also helped my recent hitless run

Hitless runs are leading me to play in ways that I’ve always said I wouldn’t play

Aphrodite’s Aid, Special-spam Rama, Heartbreak Flourish Chiron (for unhealthy fixation)

[undone tartan]

Guan Yu is so much worse than Hestia for hitless that it’s genuinely shocking to me

Less damage, less safe, less range, way more hammer reliant

The only place where it’s better is AOE and Hestia has so so many options for AOE to make up for it

Maybe instead of trying to do hitless with a different weapon, I’ll do a different hitless challenge. 32 heat hitless perhaps? Or maybe even mirrorless?

Probably not mirrorless, at least not for a while

[waxen relic]

[hoary pasture]

Guan yu has flaring spin

No more rat problems

[undone tartan]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[hoary pasture]

Guan yu gud

[undone tartan]

No

Guan Yu is much worse Hestia

I can’t feel comfortable with any other weapon like I do with Hestia

I tried a bunch

[hoary pasture]

^

[jaunty falcon]

Cshot beo could do it

[undone tartan]

I mean Hestia is definitely far and away the easiest hitless option, no?

[undone tartan]

No blocking allowed

[waxen relic]

Feeling comfortable is mostly relating to extensive practise with an Aspect.

[undone tartan]

Otherwise I’d have started with a shield

[undone tartan]

Yeah that’s true. But nothing is as safe or strong as Hestia imo

[jaunty falcon]

Yea it’s hestia by a long shot then

[hoary pasture]

Probably

[jaunty falcon]

I’ve made it to styx before

Giant rats OP

[hoary pasture]

Guan yu strong candidate tho

[undone tartan]

Styx shredder carried by Styx

[hoary pasture]

Also Hestia has clockets

[jaunty falcon]

And hazard bomb

[undone tartan]

Guan Yu just doesn’t do enough damage and also it takes a lot longer to throw a spear than it does to shoot an empowered shot

[undone tartan]

I avoided Hazard Bomb tbh

[hoary pasture]

Rail hammers all pretty solid

So many options

[half heart]

I mean with so many boons and mechanics supporting casts no wonder that Hestia, Achilles and Beowulf seem to be the strongest

[undone tartan]

But piercing, Rocket, ricochet, cluster are all amazing and I’m very happy to see any of them

[undone tartan]

In the game?

Because I wouldn’t necessarily agree with that

[half heart]

Seem is the key word

[jaunty falcon]

Hera is the castspect not hestia

[hoary pasture]

What does casts have to do with hestia

[half heart]

Damn your right

Lol

[undone tartan]

I was thinking of trying Achilles though

[half heart]

I meant Hera

[undone tartan]

I tried Rama, Hera, Chiron, Lucifer, and Guan Yu

Did a few attempts with each

[hoary pasture]

I think Rama is pretty good

[undone tartan]

Yeah I agree

[jaunty falcon]

I attempted a hitless speedrun once

Was sub 10 pace but I got hit

[hoary pasture]

Probably overall tougher than the rest

[mossy zinc]

Hestia is pretty easily the best for no-hit.

[cursive portal]

My first hitless was sub 12 iirc

[undone tartan]

Yeah

[half heart]

I myself like to be close and personal, so sword, eris and shield

[cursive portal]

With hesty

[jaunty falcon]

Hestia op

[cursive portal]

Also grats pancake thats awesome

[undone tartan]

I played very very careful so mine wasn’t too quick

[jaunty falcon]

I think I’d start chaos egg if I was trying

[hoary pasture]

I kinda want to try Rama now

[jaunty falcon]

FO0 Rama kinda free tbh

[hoary pasture]

FO0 Rama

[undone tartan]

I do egg for asphodel or elysium if I don’t need any god keepsake

[hoary pasture]

Yea

[undone tartan]

But usually I prefer to force a build

Smair is very good

[cursive portal]

All of your complains on dem attack and yet your clear is with it

[undone tartan]

A lot of boons actually are very helpful

[hoary pasture]

[undone tartan]

Yeah I decided to try it and it seemed to actually be better

I was waiting for someone to point that out

[hoary pasture]

Dem attack is amazing

Overall, not just for hitless imo

[undone tartan]

Nah

[hoary pasture]

But I’d only take Epic

[mossy zinc]

Frost Strike gud.

[cursive portal]

KF my beloved

[undone tartan]

Yeah KF was really nice

Actually did a lot of work against Hades

[mossy zinc]

Best DOT in the game, I'd say.

[undone tartan]

One of demeter’s two good boons

[hoary pasture]

She has good stuff

[mossy zinc]

She has plenty of good boons.

[undone tartan]

Eh

I don’t know

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, you don't know.

I've noticed.

[hoary pasture]

[undone tartan]

I knew you were gonna say that

Damn it

So predictable yet I walked right into it

[jaunty falcon]

Killing freeze my beloved

Killing freeze ruthless reflex

[mossy zinc]

Just like dad's attacks after Charm wears off.

[undone tartan]

LMAO

No

[hoary pasture]

That’s pretty good

[undone tartan]

Perfect opportunity to say that but no they’re not

[jaunty falcon]

Killing freeze is like 2 boons in 1

[undone tartan]

He literally just stood in place for like 2+ seconds

Why would he not be done

Ridiculous

[waxen relic]

Did you think he'd stand in place until he's dead?

[undone tartan]

No I thought he’d do a windup before his next attack

As bosses tend to do in Hades the video game

But then suddenly hitbox

[waxen relic]

Just imagine that the standing still thing is a windup

[undone tartan]

But it doesn’t look like one

[hoary pasture]

[undone tartan]

And it doesn’t telegraph anything

[waxen relic]

If you're so knowledgable about what bosses should and should not do, you surely would have an easy time doing FreshFile

[hoary pasture]

[waxen relic]

Kind of an Hitless Run too

[hoary pasture]

I tried fresh file before and I hate it

[jaunty falcon]

I’ve got to heroes

With some stupid drunken strike slicing shot run

[waxen relic]

Didn't like it at first either. Changed my mind tho.

[undone tartan]

I got to Hades a few times

But he’s so incredibly difficult

[hoary pasture]

Yea it’s a whole different grind

[undone tartan]

Fresh File too hard for me tbh

[hoary pasture]

I cant bother practicing

[undone tartan]

Mainly it’s the Hades fight

It’s just so insanely difficult

[jaunty falcon]

I’ll do it one day

[waxen relic]

My tip is getting Divine Protection and running

[hoary pasture]

Idk i just find it boring

[undone tartan]

It definitely can be a bit boring

[hoary pasture]

1 dash sword kinda praying for ME

[undone tartan]

It’s very slow paced

[hoary pasture]

Not my thing ig

[mossy zinc]

You interrupted his animation with Charm, and then he finished the buffered animation when Charm wore off. And you also dashed right into his face for no reason with Hestia right when Charm was wearing off, which there was just no reason for at all because it's Hestia. It's like you did exactly what you would do if you were trying to get hit.

[hoary pasture]

I agree

[undone tartan]

I was trying to get to a better part of the screen

[mossy zinc]

A better part of the screen?

In his face?

[undone tartan]

Where I could see him

[mossy zinc]

That's a better part of the screen?

[undone tartan]

I thought it would be safe since he was in his idle animation

Meaning any attack would have a telegraph more than long enough for me to get away in time

I was in a bad spot since I couldn’t see him

[hoary pasture]

But this isn’t the first time you use charm is it

[undone tartan]

Mind you, my run was already dead so I’m not actually upset about this. I just think it’s very dumb that he does that

[undone tartan]

In this fight? Or ever?

I know that charm messes with his animations but I still didn’t expect that

[hoary pasture]

Yea I meant you probably got caught off guard before

Because of it

[mossy zinc]

This is what I mean when I say you don't time your charms or just ignore charm behavior if you keep running into things like that. It's like you know how it works, but instead of using that to your advantage, you play as though it works like you think it should work... and then surprised Pikachu face.

[undone tartan]

It’s just very weird that he can do that

It threw me off

It’s not undodgeable

It’s still my fault

But it’s also still very weird that he can do that, and I think it’s stupid

[mossy zinc]

It works a lot like invisibility except instead of just having no valid target (because Zagreus isn't one), other enemies (if there are any) become valid targets. So the same way you can exploit invisibility, you can exploit charm.

It's not immediately intuitive and hence can seem weird at first, but at some point it becomes predictable. And if it's predictable, it's exploitable. And with more experience, it'll become intuitive.

Just like any attack combo from enemies can require weird i-frame timing at first, then you get better at i-framing it, and eventually you do it instinctively even when half asleep.

[dapper schooner]

eris is a cast weapon and I see this all the time on eris so I must be very lucky

[hoary pasture]

Send me some

[dapper schooner]

no sorry I can't even manage to spawn then when I play beo or achilles

it only works on eris

[hoary pasture]

With boonless cast

[honest kernel]

hi i just beat the game and got ||Persephone|| home

is there a way to cheese heat 32 so that

i dont have to fight hades?

[hoary pasture]

Nope

You're gonna have to fight him

[honest kernel]

at heat 32?

[hoary pasture]

But a lot of stuff can cheese it in a sense that the damage you can get is absurd enough to the point where you can turn your brain off

[honest kernel]

how so im farming for rama titan blood

heat 8 currently

he let me go lol

highest ive gotten is heat 24

[hoary pasture]

He only lets you go at the 10th win

[honest kernel]

so say i do heat 32

at the 10th win

💀

[hoary pasture]

You probably could

But I mean you can also just beat it the normal way

Since you already got to 24 heat

The pact matters a lot from this point onwards, there are certain things you want to get used to ideally so you can push to 32

Like TD3, LC4

EM3

[cursive portal]

ff-32

[honest kernel]

im really struggling with the timer heat

[hoary pasture]

Yea a lot of people struggle with that

It's a matter of practice

And overall solid room clearing

Taking free rooms is also a good thing to do so you avoid time issues

Having a good build is still very easy to do at 32 heat

The only things that can mess with it are UC (usually fine) and CF2

You can check the pins here for some more info about the fundamental pacts for running high heat

[honest kernel]

i did it!

i managed to cheese 32

lmao

[quartz mantle]

Gaming

[mossy zinc]

Well, that's one strategy.

[undone tartan]

It takes practice but it’s definitely worth learning TD3

[undone tartan]

https://youtu.be/GzOfsvIpBmE

Uhh

Am I crazy or did he just attack with zero windup

Literally a frame 1 hitbox

They’re not supposed to be able to do that right?

[cursive portal]

xd

[hardy garden]

idk just sounds like sword dudes being sword dudes

[hoary pasture]

Yea

[cursive portal]

speeder? I hardly knew her

[hoary pasture]

[undone tartan]

FO0 btw

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/873719675077406730.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[undone tartan]

Ok it’s not just me right

Like that’s definitely wrong

[next acorn]

That does not look right

[mossy zinc]

Looks normal to me.

[undone tartan]

Really?

[next acorn]

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[undone tartan]

Was there a windup that I just didn’t see

Or is that attack supposed to be frame 1

[mossy zinc]

"Frame 1" lol. He hits you on frame 4 in that clip.

[quartz mantle]

It’s the game punishing you for turning off FO

[undone tartan]

That’s still absurd

60 fps?

[quartz mantle]

Yea honestly if you can’t react within 1/15th of a second then sorry to say but that’s just a skill issue

[undone tartan]

Is it 60 fps?

[hoary pasture]

Probably

[undone tartan]

Lmao

Yeah there’s no way that’s right

The attack I mean

Like that has to be a bug

That’s completely unreactable

And I’m used to some attacks being unreactable with FO2 speeders but not BP0 FO0 wtf

[mossy zinc]

They have two attacks. One of them is that slash.

[undone tartan]

Nyaa a frame 4 attack in a 60 fps game is unreactable

that’s an unreactable attack

And I swear I’ve never seen one do that before either

[mossy zinc]

Did I say it was reactable or what? Calm down lol.

[hoary pasture]

[quartz mantle]

Yea that’s why you just don’t stand in front of them lol

[hoary pasture]

^

[quartz mantle]

Same way you dodge FO2 speeder long spears

Stand behind them or halfway across the map

[undone tartan]

I’m not saying I wasn’t reckless

I’m just saying that attack looks very wrong for an FO0 BP0 enemy

[mossy zinc]

Or get close to bait the attack and dash out of range.

It's perfectly normal.

[undone tartan]

There’s no way

That just looks very wrong

And I swear I’ve never seen it be nearly that fast

Even with FO2

[hoary pasture]

Welp

It’s not gonna get fixed anytime soon

[quartz mantle]

^ lol

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ohyeah-yeah-sure-gif-5884488

[quartz mantle]

Throw it in your bug list doc ig

[undone tartan]

I just want to know for certain if it’s a bug so I can add it to the bug doc

Yep

[hoary pasture]

Eh

[solemn pulsar]

Swordsmen are nuts

[mossy zinc]

It's not a bug lol.

[quartz mantle]

Bug: sometimes the bright swords are funky

[solemn pulsar]

Sometimes they just hit you

[quartz mantle]

Bug: Elysium

[undone tartan]

CGull do you think the attack is meant to be that fast or is it a bug

[quartz mantle]

Amir should fix the game and remove Elysium

[mossy zinc]

They have an overhead slash that's reactable and a sideways slash that's very much not.

[jaunty falcon]

Rats too

[mossy zinc]

Maybe UnholyPancake is bugged.

[quartz mantle]

I hope there aren’t bugs in the pancake

Although if there were it would be quite unholy

[mossy zinc]

Exposed.

[jaunty falcon]

Ruptured.

[mossy zinc]

Weak.

[jaunty falcon]

Jolted.

[undone tartan]

I’m testing with them and they totally have a windup on that attack. Unless they have a 3-slash combo that’s different from the attack in the video

[mossy zinc]

I already won. I have the best status curse.

[quartz mantle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/hades_gamepedia_en/images/8/89/Blinding_Flash.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/100?cb=20190510192734

[jaunty falcon]

Marked.

Uhhh

Doomed?

[quartz mantle]

Chill

Hungover

[mossy zinc]

No.

[hoary pasture]

Doomed

[quartz mantle]

I think that’s it

[jaunty falcon]

😦

[undone tartan]

Nah rmacinty said jolted

[mossy zinc]

Jolted sucks.

[jaunty falcon]

Side hustled

[quartz mantle]

Rush deliveried

[undone tartan]

Alright I have a clip hold on

[jaunty falcon]

Addleded striked

[mossy zinc]

Gesundheit.

[quartz mantle]

Mfw I am simply a lowly Styx rat and some poor hades speedruner who fell off route in Styx comes barreling at me at 13000% movement speed and utterly destroys my existence with clockets

[jaunty falcon]

*one lighting strike

[flat flicker]

is nyaa nyaa being mean to pancake again

did I miss anything

[undone tartan]

Bright swords are cheating

[flat flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-dbz-atfuraxx-gif-14120574

[undone tartan]

https://youtu.be/1spqcQICyNI

Compare the two

It’s the same attack right?

Except one is frame 4?

[flat flicker]

I’m not going to examine frame data without cash for the work lol

Someone else can tho

[undone tartan]

You don’t have to examine frame data

Just watch the 6 second clip and the 4 second clip

Or don’t I don’t care

[flat flicker]

Looks close enough but I’m not gonna pause and time it no

[undone tartan]

Wym looks close

Even on 0.25x speed the attack in the first clip is faster than the second clip on normal speed

It’s incredibly noticeable

And it’s the same attack

Just way faster for no reason

[mossy zinc]

The first one was Jolted.

[jaunty falcon]

Imagine if enemies one shot us and inflicted us with jolted

Give em a break

[undone tartan]

You think that’s causing the bug?

I can’t get them to replicate that crazy fast attack, even with the jolted

[mossy zinc]

m not saying it's a bug. I know I've seen the untelegraphed slash for as long as I've played the game. They might be in a counter state during the startup and immediately trigger the slash if you attack them, in which case being Jolted could trigger the attack immediately. That's one hypothesis.

[undone tartan]

Literally sounds like you’re describing a bug

[mossy zinc]

?

How does counter stance sound like a bug lol.

[undone tartan]

Also I tried jolted and they didn’t do the fast attack

I have no leads

And I can’t replicate it

[mossy zinc]

In the first clip, it's also the very first attack he does after you aggro enemies in the chamber.

[undone tartan]

If I didn’t have the clip, I wouldn’t believe it actually happened

[mossy zinc]

I've seen it so often, I always just treat them like they have an untelegraphed slash.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone tartan]

If that’s what causes it then it’s definitely a bug

[mossy zinc]

You'd have to ask a dev to ascertain that.

[undone tartan]

I’m not really sure why you’re so opposed to the idea that it could be a bug when you have no evidence to back up the idea that it’s intentional

[mossy zinc]

Bruh, what?

lol

[undone tartan]

.

It absolutely could be (and most likely is) a bug

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-rachel-green-facepalm-friends-rachel-rachel-friends-gif-16169065

[quartz mantle]

Look pancake if you wanna add it to your funny little bugs doc go right ahead no one is stopping you

[undone tartan]

Do armored dracons shoot more projectiles per volley than unarmored dracons?

[jaunty falcon]

Which ones are dracons again

Oh those ones

[undone tartan]

The warper seeker guys in asphodel

[jaunty falcon]

Yes I think all armoured enemies that shoot projectiles fire more

[undone tartan]

So it’s 1 vs 3?

[mossy zinc]

No, if it's 2 Dracons it's 1 vs 2.

If it's 4, it's 1 vs 4.

Etc.

[undone tartan]

😐

[quartz mantle]

Armored enemies in general are stronger yea

[flat flicker]

[ripe ermine]

Yes, armored dracons shoot 3 projectiles. Regular ones shoot 1

Source: someone who dies incredibly frequently to dracons

[undone tartan]

They’re hard

Especially BP4 dracons

[hardy garden]

i hate those things

[next acorn]

BP4 witches

[ripe ermine]

Oh god slugger ones. One bad dash and 28-28-28 game over

[undone tartan]

Yep

I wish slugger and speeder were nerfed so BP2 RNG played a more minor role in high heat

Or if they could be additive with HL and FO respectively

[next acorn]

they were werent they

from EA?

[undone tartan]

Oh maybe

I know bruiser was

[mossy zinc]

Slugger and Speeder were never touched. Forced Overtime was fine-tuned for some enemies.

I remember Amir telling us that FO1 and FO2 were both fine-tuned individually for some enemies, and he asked us to report anything that felt particularly unfair.

[hardy garden]

long spears

[bronze rapids]

https://youtu.be/RDLQvCA_f_U

Actual footage of proccing SD in aspho

[flat flicker]

[uncut lynx]

NOOOOOOO

[flat flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/status-tired-dead-haggard-gif-11733031

[jaunty falcon]

Rofs

[bronze rapids]

Scrubbed?

[cursive portal]

Clean

[flat flicker]

dead

like chat today

[jaunty falcon]

brb i’ll beat 63 heat hl4 to revive chat

[undone tartan]

That would certainly do it

[flat flicker]

based

[solar aspen]

now that would get the party started

[next acorn]

With a level 40 heroic titan toppler anything is possible

[undone tartan]

[undone tartan]

Losing a 50 heat run in c27 is so sad and funny at the same time

It’s like “yes I can do this!” And then Elysium shows up and says “nah”

Speeder sluggers in chamber 27 LMAO

Literally rip run

[bronze rapids]

63 heat god mode adventures: hasn't gotten to EM1 yet. 26% reduction now

[cursive portal]

[undone tartan]

50 heat Rama, RI0 AP2. I get: Rare Heartbreak Strike, Twin Shot, Perfect Shot, ToSD, Chaos Legendary, Rare Hyper-Delivery.
I also get: 4-sack

RNG giveth and RNG taketh away

That’s definitely one of my saddest losses ever

Because I will literally never get a better AP2 build ever. Ever.

[hoary pasture]

not with that attitude

[undone tartan]

I was just talking about how I didn’t want to do 50 heat Rama because I’m so bad without twin shot and then all of the stars aligned and I was like “oh my god I can actually do this?!” and then I got a second miniboss and I literally said out loud “don’t panic you’re not gonna get a 4-sack it’s not gonna be a 4-sack”

Man that is unfortunate

[hardy garden]

so five sack

[undone tartan]

No it was a 4-sack

[hardy garden]

smh

[undone tartan]

I entered Hades fight with 19 seconds on the clock

And no ToSD obv

So sad

[hardy garden]

sack rng

[undone tartan]

Yep

[cursive portal]

lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/856212370019713035.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[undone tartan]

C35 AP2 shackle Rama tempest strike

[undone tartan]

I love that I can say that and people know exactly what it means

AAAAAHHH

I may have just gotten the worst Elysium room I have ever seen

There were 7 speeder longbows in a room with basically no walls to break line of fire

I was playing Beo and it just didn’t matter

The thing is, they had savior which didn’t even make a big difference. Like it could have been slugger and been twice as bad. But it’s still quite possibly the worst Ely room

I’m not sure if there is a build in existence that I could have beaten that room with. Literally the Eris route? I’d still die

My build was nuts too

[pseudo kernel]

Wat

I feel like you're over exaggerating a little

[undone tartan]

You can watch the clip and judge for yourself

when it uploads hold on

Yes I didn’t play super well I’m aware but the point is the room not my play (also I’m showing this not to complain about it or anything, I just think it’s crazy how rough this room is)
https://youtu.be/CcGU42Kp1EM

[pseudo kernel]

Armored archers in general are rough

But then you give them like 500% attack speed with fo and bp and you just die

[undone tartan]

Yeah it’s crazy

[next acorn]

ahem

Skill issue

[undone tartan]

And usually I can break line of fire with distance or walls but I can’t just have 6 shooting at me from different directions

[next acorn]

You may now laugh

[pseudo kernel]

That room is def beatable but you got really unlucky spawns

[next acorn]

Yeah that room really sucks

[pseudo kernel]

If they were all grouped up it would've been so much easier

[next acorn]

Ely when Ely moment

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah this is just an ely moment

[undone tartan]

I’m fighting champions and my controller (plugged in btw) dies

[pseudo kernel]

Smh just play kbm on ps5

[undone tartan]

I know I’ve said something similar to this twice today already but

I just had my saddest loss ever

I saw scalar ask if anyone had done any Dio Beo runs for AOTW in the speedrun server and was like “hmm let’s try it just for fun”. Tried 50 heat Dio Beo. FIRST TRY I get two chaos grasp boons in Tartarus. I get to EM4. I don’t lose a single acorn charge until phase 2. Enter phase 3 with 30 hp and my SD. Get hit, lose sd. Get hit again, 105 damage, die.

Actually tragic

I was about halfway into phase 3

I had mirage and scintillating prereqs before Elysium and didn’t see either

AP1 RI0 btw

I’m actually so so sad because I really thought I was gonna get there

I really believed it

I don’t think I’m gonna try again because that luck will not come more than once

[hardy garden]

em4 moment

[undone tartan]

I got hit 8 total times

[undone tartan]

I never thought I’d say this but…

EM4 is kinda fun

High heat EM4 I mean

Obviously low heat EM4 is fun

[hardy garden]

its fun until you keep dying over and over again

[undone tartan]

But like even though it’s unfair and poorly balanced and has stupid spear damage + hitbox + speed + range, still can be very fun

[undone tartan]

Well I had been until very recently

[undone tartan]

I keep thinking about Uno’s joke of icy flare being a mirage shot for your snow burst

That’s so funny to me

[mossy zinc]

With what aspects?

[hoary pasture]

talos

[undone tartan]

Oh just Beo

Nothing else

[cursive portal]

I think that's beatable still

You do a call that interrupted your bullrush and you take like a billion arrows

The way to beat that room and archers generally on shield is to always play the room in the direction of your block radius

So you're not being shot from multiple angles

[mossy zinc]

It's obviously not an easy room, but it's doable if you're methodical.

Clockwise is best. Even counterclockwise would have been doable, but you just kind of ended up going back and forth and being shot in the back.

[ashen garnet]

This room is such a toughie I think it should not be possible to get it
Circling and playing with high-walls geometry for survivability apply there more than ever and I think the only spots are the top ones close to arrow traps right behind the spear traps Guessing that blocking there and alternating between the 2 "lanes" would've worked as long as you can burst through savior shields and armor.

Can't believe how much of a run ender the room is to any non-shield aspect

[cursive portal]

Imagine that on rama

[mossy zinc]

Nemesis.

[flat flicker]

Aspect of smair ez

[next acorn]

[left prism]

@cursive portal how do i corner strat em4 dad? im about to fight him (45 heat)

[cursive portal]

Uhhhh its hard to explain

Main things are watching your block radius, not dashing while dad is spinning, dashing/walking away when dad is at point blank

Dont be greedy, you have enough damage

[left prism]

good enough, time to recreate the "gonna fight, update later/im not posting that"

[cursive portal]

You can shoot a charged shot in a window between dad's double spins, might be a lil tough to get used to at first

Dash back and forth through butterfly projectiles in the corner(assuming you have a damaging dash, it will destroy them, like in my 62)

If you have a call you can use it for i frames when you think a pot might get you, be careful though because it cancels your bullrush

[left prism]

do i cry if dad just summoned 2 B.balls and already used meg?

[cursive portal]

Yes

[left prism]

[cursive portal]

Just dps him idk

Its hard to deal with

[left prism]

aight 3rd phase

im fine

pot

[undone tartan]

Are you doing EM4 at 45 for personal challenge? Because I wouldn’t suggest doing EM4 at 45 if you just want an easy pact to win

[left prism]

Em4 was surprisingly comfy outside of panic making me eat that last pot

So im just gonna keep trying

Also is modded so not gonna suffer to sack at least

[undone tartan]

True

But still

Especially on Zag shield I feel like you’d just do CF2 + CP1 PL or CP2

[cursive portal]

Cp2

Lol

[left prism]

My main gripe was ely tbh

[undone tartan]

Seems better than EM4, no?

[cursive portal]

I dont agree with the cf0 js2 but the rest of the pact is fine

[left prism]

Got an eternal small chariots room

[undone tartan]

Oh I didn’t see it was JS2

CF2 JS3 PL/CP1 EM3

[cursive portal]

On CP0 and a chaos attack dad can take like 3:20-2:50

[undone tartan]

You’re telling me EM3 CP2 dad takes longer than EM4 CP0 dad??

[cursive portal]

What

I wasn't talking about em3

[undone tartan]

I’m saying drop EM4 and use CP2

[cursive portal]

No

You don't need to

[undone tartan]

But I didn’t see it’s JS2

[cursive portal]

I literally only put on cp2 for 61 heat

[undone tartan]

Yes because it combines very badly with other pacts at high heat

[cursive portal]

[undone tartan]

But at 45 I have a very hard time believing that EM4 is optimal

But yeah CP2 isn’t necessary, didn’t see it was JS2

[left prism]

gonna swap to cf1/js1 if i die later

im not rejecting another aphro epic attack start

[undone tartan]

CF2 seems pretty free for Zag shield no?

I mean not free, but it doesn’t seem bad at all

You literally need so little

I’d literally do CF2 for 40 heat Zag shield tbh

If it’s modded then you should basically have a full build guaranteed already

And it’s RI0 so you’ll get plenty of hearts and poms

[left prism]

back to styx

[hoary pasture]

get em

[flat flicker]

Try not to die

[left prism]

that was awful

that both attempts reached dad was great tho

also got the funny doomstone stopping the 2 summons at 33% hp

[flat flicker]

Em4 doomstones a use case for gy spin

[undone tartan]

See this is why I say EM4 is completely unnecessary at 45

[left prism]

yeah i can see that

but whatever is fun so il keep trying

[undone tartan]

Understandable

[hoary pasture]

EM4 also feels a lot more rewarding

[cursive portal]

lol imagine not being dead inside

Em4 sux

[pseudo kernel]

em4 doenst suck you suck

[undone tartan]

I feel like you were the one telling me to just do EM4 literally weeks ago

[bronze rapids]

You don't wanna spend more quality time with dear papa?

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/871832319156166676/DisapPATmentChampion.gif

[hoary pasture]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/871832319156166676/DisapPATmentChampion.gif

[urban glade]

Is it just me who doesn't find em 4 that challenging?

[hoary pasture]

EM4 on its own isn't hard

It's more about other pacts that make it harder

Like HL FO LC etc

way harder

[urban glade]

Fair enough

[hardy garden]

add fo2 and hs with stubborn defiance and try again

[bronze rapids]

esp if you don't have Pat active

[undone tartan]

It’s hard when it’s FO2 HL5 LC4 and you can get hit a total of 3 times in a 3-4 minute fight that includes an attack that can fly at you incredibly fast from offscreen and can pierce your block at close range

[hardy garden]

also dog. and double snek or bball

then add in a little ap or ri at 50+ heat and now you have to do it with no build

[left prism]

Can also feature the B.ball >use meg then double B.ball

[hardy garden]

or js3 cp2 and gl with td3

[hoary pasture]

It pretty much collides with every other pact

[hardy garden]

p much

[quartz mantle]

That’s just how the pact works in general

RI4 isn’t hard on its own

[hoary pasture]

Yea ig

[quartz mantle]

But combine it with LC4 and what are you gonna do

Cry?

[hoary pasture]

No

Use guan yu and spin

[quartz mantle]

So true

But like FO2 and HL5 aren’t scary pact options on their own

But combine them and they are more than just the sum of their parts

Which is a better example I guess

Or adding tight deadline and JS/CP/BP/DC

[undone tartan]

Well

No it kinda is

[hardy garden]

assuming you arent being oneshot

ri4 zag sword kinda :bouldy:

[left prism]

tried to proc SD
Enemy dies by trap and next room is sack

[hardy garden]

tries to proc sd on tiny rats
you have a revenge boon so they all kill themselves on you leaving you at 10 hp

[left prism]

The enemy left me at 13 lmao

Back to the house

[left prism]

I have noticed that i suck at beo

Back to zag shield

[cursive portal]

me_irl

[bronze rapids]

I had this but hangover

[undone tartan]

This has happened to me a lot actually. But it’s especially bad when it’s the last chamber before ToSD expires so you enter Hades fight with 8/250 instead of 200/250

[left prism]

Last attempt was funny
This is going excelent > steps on pot no SD > panic and die late phase 3 again

I need to stop understimating how often dad at point blank ignores the block

[hardy garden]

em4 moment

[undone tartan]

EM4 scary

[left prism]

Im still enjoying it lmao

[undone tartan]

That’s good

All that matters

[hardy garden]

em4 is comfy till you get hit once and realize he does a fck ton of damage then get hit 3 more times in a row and get absolutely murdered by cerberus and then 3rd phase go brrr if youre still barely alive

[undone tartan]

You’re telling me you can survive 4 hits and Cerberus?

I feel like I’m lucky to survive three

After my acorn runs out ofc

[hardy garden]

okay maybe two and a half

[mossy zinc]

Acorn in EM4 in 2022.

[undone tartan]

At least for Beo, there is no better option. I know that may be controversial, but I am very confident that it is the case.

[next acorn]

Tooth in EM4 in 2022

[undone tartan]

Tooth in EM4 is so crazy to me

Like congrats you just blocked a single spear throw

[next acorn]

Also tooth is just nice to have in Ely rooms

[hardy garden]

well tooth also lets you damage gate a bit. like hey youre 1 health without sd then take a spin to the face. 79 damage is cancelled and youll die in two more spins

[undone tartan]

Sure…

[hardy garden]

well that or just die to a pot or spear

it gets better if you have like weak + broken resolve or something

[undone tartan]

But you could also just use acorn and tank 5 hits instead of “maybe two”

[hardy garden]

well until bball and snek go brrrrrr

[undone tartan]

Well I’m only speaking for Beo also

I can’t speak for other aspects

But Beo can definitely deal with ads very well

I’ve gotten to phase 2 with 5 changes before

[next acorn]

See the secret is to just be bad at bball so your screwed either way

[mossy zinc]

What did you change?

[bronze rapids]

the secret is to be a scrub that doesn't do 50 heat

[undone tartan]

Played better

[mossy zinc]

5 times?

[undone tartan]

Also had huge damage

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I've never done 50 Heat.

[undone tartan]

Well not massive but I had a mirage shot worth of chaos shot boons

Wait actually my hitless P1 was on trippy flare

Then died in P3

Ok I think I’m pretty confident in the splitting bolt theory to explain blocking not working on lasers for Zeus

Hades is between me and my shield, I block beam for a second, recall shield while blocking, the second it touches him I take damage. I don’t have 100% proof that this is splitting though

But it’s definitely consistent when you do have splitting that this happens

[undone tartan]

Oh I just noticed my typo

[undone tartan]

It has been added to the bug doc, ping me if more is learned about this bug

[jaunty falcon]

Skill issue

[mossy zinc]

51 and 52 just make me more comfortable. m not cut out for 50.

m a lover, not a fighter.

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/856212370019713035.gif?size=44&quality=lossless

[flat flicker]

Do 65

ez

[random hatch]

hey! i'm trying to do a 32 heat run for that last sweet statue

my highest heat previously was 16 and i tried 32 just now and just got smashed on in tartarus ;-;

any tips?

[hoary pasture]

16 to 32 is somewhat of a big jump, you might want to try 20-25 before, for 32 heat your pact matters a lot, there is a good pile of info to look through in the pins of this channel

You're pretty much working on tolerating multiple pacts together

[fickle trail]

The last few heat are really hard for me. I can do about 25 without much trouble. One of the easiest builds for high heat is Hestia

[undone tartan]

That may be on account of a bad pact

[hardy garden]

idk if hestia is a build or lack thereof

[random hatch]

Yeah I prefer hestia over eris as well if I’m doing gun. I tried it out with demeter fists + merciful end and didn’t get too far. Probably gonna try again tomorrow.

[random hatch]

What do you mean?

[hardy garden]

hestia is good because you need almost no boons on it

thats great for extra high heats where you cant build because of ri and ap but it isnt a problem at 32

[random hatch]

Ah that makes sende

Sense*

[hardy garden]

also to begin with hestia aint a build, its an aspect

[random hatch]

ah yeah lol i just assumed they meant aspect there

What makes eris better than hestia tbf

i’ve struggled with eris builds at lower heats, not sure if it’s cause of my playstyle

[hardy garden]

a hell lot of damage

[hardy garden]

what boons are you putting on it?

[random hatch]

Honestly, can’t remember at the moment. Tried it out like ages ago and kind of stuck to hestia when eris wasn’t working for me

[hardy garden]

well if youre building it like hestia with something like aphrodite on attack then eris is gunna be wasted

[random hatch]

Oh I usually go with zeus on attack on a railgun

[hardy garden]

yeah zeus is what you want on it. eris is strong because its buff is a global damage increase. so it doesnt just add damage based on the base damage of your attack or special, it just multiplies all sources of damage coming from you

so just for standing in your special, zeus attack, jolted, tidal dash, your call, a lot of things just get almost double damage

[undone tartan]

Oh Hestia?

[random hatch]

That does seem a lot better than reload -> attack -> special -> reload -> repeat actually

[random hatch]

Yep!

[undone tartan]

Oh god

Why why why

I love when my 150 damage empowered shot does a quick extra 10 damage

[hardy garden]

adding 10-13 damage to a 150 base damage attack is not much

[pseudo kernel]

Chad

[undone tartan]

Insane

[random hatch]

When you put it that way,,,

[undone tartan]

Bruh

[pseudo kernel]

LMAO

[random hatch]

Ok tbf i do one empowered shot, spam attack a bit and then reload

But still

I agree that was pretty dumb

[undone tartan]

Don’t do that

That’s bad

[pseudo kernel]

Shoot > reload > shoot > reload

[undone tartan]

Normal attack on Hestia is pretty much never worth using

Except maybe on tiny rats and numbskulls

[pseudo kernel]

And throw some specials in there to cancel reload animation

[hardy garden]

and casts

[pseudo kernel]

Ye

[undone tartan]

And dash to cancel the reload as well

[pseudo kernel]

Ye

[random hatch]

I never stop dashing so i got that down at least?

[undone tartan]

…

I don’t think spamming dash is good either

[pseudo kernel]

Sword 😔