One thought process that people make fun of here a lot is "I don't know if I can do TD3, so instead I'll take a lot of pacts that make my run slower like JS CP DC... that's a good strategy!" 
#h1-high-heat-strategies
mossy zinc
tranquil quarry
cuz I can say for a fact that before jumping right from 20 heat even, I wasn't consistent enough with sub 20 times
and I didn't even take those time slowing pacts for bounties
mossy zinc
You had sub 20 times on all weapons. That's consistent enough tbh. Even if you time out once because you get a 4-sack or something, you know you just need to go again.
But also with IGTs like yours, 32 wasn't gonna be too much of a problem anyway.
tranquil quarry
huh I never really even played for speed up until I started spamming zag shield a while ago lol
mossy zinc
But that's one of those things where if somebody with experience doesn't tell you that, you just have no idea really because you have no frame of reference.
Are you looking to get into 40+ Heat at all, by the way?
tranquil quarry
hmm probably halting most high heat stuff until I'm done all the bounties for all weapons
also I have a suspicion speed running is gonna be more enjoyable for me now that I know I can get sub 10 lol
hoary pasture
Yea it depends on you, High Heat can also be very enjoyable up until 50 even
maybe
mossy zinc
lol when I got the High Heat WR in Early Access, I got my 11th bounty with the shield on that run.
hoary pasture
Bounties are just boring
mossy zinc
I went 0-20 with Malphon, then 32, then 41, and then with the other ones I just always did whatever pacts I felt like doing.
tranquil quarry
oh actually, I also want to practice em4 by itself for a bit
mossy zinc
I went through most bounties 1 by 1 on my Hell mode save, though.
But with like fun pacts.
Like... all rail bounties with RI4 Hestia.
tranquil quarry
I tried a couple mirrorless runs for fun and made it only to the champions
so I might give that another shot at some point too
no DDs and feels bad if hermes doesn't give more dashes lol
tranquil quarry
what would you do if someone who wanted to clear their first 32 heat showed up with that kind of pact setup?
cursive portal
Mirrorless
mossy zinc
what would you do if someone who wanted to clear their first 32 heat showed up w...
Cheer for them.
mossy zinc
No, the Fool's Challenge is max heat.
mossy zinc
Well, I think max heat unseeded is possible. It just takes a whole lot of luck on top of a whole lot of skill.
tranquil quarry
2 things I will inevitably lack if I ever go for something like that
dapper schooner
i lost my last 50 heat run to that 
not much i can do about taking HS at 50 though
mossy zinc
Maybe the way to clear 63 Heat is to not take HS.
dapper schooner
Maybe the way to clear 63 Heat is to not take HS. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
now you can step on the pots in EM4 without fear until you take a 100 damage spear during the stun
tranquil quarry
hades teaches everyone that messing with green pot is bad time
bronze rapids
you leave my pots alone
mossy zinc
Bruh.
pure lily
45 heat hard
timber pike
this is my 3rd day trying 32 heat zeus fists
gaunt fiber
Nice
timber pike
i might switch to beowulf after a few more attempts since it hasn
't been working out
then come back to it
shy plinth
Is there any particular point where you're struggling?
timber pike
Is there any particular point where you're struggling?
Not sure. maybe i'll check my attempts log to see where I've been messing up?
but for some reason I've been dying earlier than elysium sometimes. i think it's mostly just been accidental deaths to enemy damage.
timber pike
Is there any particular point where you're struggling?
I know at least 2 times td3 was an issue
but I made it to styx twice, so it shouldn't take much longer I guess
shy plinth
Yeah I'm wondering if you just notice anything in particular
timber pike
sometimes I also don't have access to smouldering air. on the run I'm doing now I have aphrodite and zeus, but sometimes I didn't and I would take the owl pendant over the eternal rose in asphodel to get dd's for stubborn defiance
shy plinth
Either where you take damage or where you time out
mossy zinc
You want to win with Malphon because that's your best weapon or just because that's the one you want to do it with?
timber pike
my best is probably the bow. I want to do it with all the weapons, and eventually all weapon aspects.
so the second one
mossy zinc
You should do some runs with just EM3 TD3 until you have at least one, like, sub 16 and can do TD3 consistently like that. Then go back to 32 Heat.
With Malphon.
timber pike
So I should take a break from doing malphon and maybe do a different weapon for my next 32 heat
mossy zinc
No, m saying you should practice with Malphon with that pact for your 32 Heat.
timber pike
oh
mossy zinc
You have a single sub 20 time in all your runs. That tells me there's a lot of tactical mistakes and execution mistakes and probably a lot of build knowledge that's missing that... shouldn't really happen if you want to have a decent shot at 32 Heat.
shy plinth
Yeah if you're not hitting 4 minutes per biome there's a lot of opportunity for execution optimization
mossy zinc
So pushing for at least sub 16 and beating TD3 consistently will really help you learn build optimization and train your mechanics.
shy plinth
The goal is to get to the point where a 5 sack and a clear can happen the same run
mossy zinc
Sub 16 is just kind of a good time where.. you can probably beat TD3 reliably if you can get there.
Just looking at your clear times, I wouldn't place bets on you beating TD3 at 0 Heat on your very next run. Like, you might, but.. with a 4-sack? 5-sack? Would you be confident in that yourself?
Which means 32 with TD3 is gonna be really pushing it and probably relying on a lot of good luck with rooms.
But it's also something that you can learn very quickly if you focus on it.
jaunty falcon
Definitely
mossy zinc
And that'll help a lot with clearing encounters more efficiently at 32 Heat, which means you'll have more time for bosses, you'll have more confidence in beating the timer. You might even be able to open a trove for lots of obols because you have time to spare, things like that.
And also you'll probably take a lot less damage when enemies die faster.
Also things like knowing when you have a build that allows you to play super aggressive in a boss fight vs when you have to play very slow and methodical.
Because when you have a build that strong and you play slow and methodical... there's more room for error and throwing a run there than if you just play super aggressive and take the boss out before they can even take off your Acorn.
And if you play super aggressive when you don't have the build for it, you're gonna have a pretty tense fight once you realize your SD is gone and now your DD, too, and oh woops where did my HP go next hit will kill me...
pure lily
i might switch to beowulf after a few more attempts since it hasn
Beo good
timber pike
And that'll help a lot with clearing encounters more efficiently at 32 Heat, whi...
sounds good considering my last attempt I was just playing I died at dad due to tight deadline
I'll practice
mossy zinc
Good luck!
If you need help, you know where to find it.
It's in the House of Hades right when you come out of the Styx. Hypnos will have all the advice for you that you could possibly need.
timber pike
Good luck!
so would I just choose any heat with td3 and em3?
dapper schooner
It's in the House of Hades right when you come out of the Styx. Hypnos will have...
just dont step on the lava
timber pike
just dont step on the lava
didn't think about that. thanks hypnos
mossy zinc
Just TD3 EM3. Nothing else really necessary.
hardy garden
tbh might as well keep sd
timber pike
tbh might as well keep sd
I guess I see what you mean. already took dd for this run but I can switch back
honest kernel
if you can make it to patty reliably on DD would that make it better than SD?
timber pike
if you can make it to patty reliably on DD would that make it better than SD?
yeah.
they probably suggested it since I'm practicing for 32 heat
since I'm going to be using SD most of the time anyway
mossy zinc
Don't think keeping SD or not matters too much anyway.
timber pike
ok that's good to know
honest kernel
what heat level would it start to be a more decisive choice?
hardy garden
have fun when patty doesnt show up then
quartz mantle
if you can make it to patty reliably on DD would that make it better than SD?
Then you’re relying on getting Patty, which isn’t something you can control
mossy zinc
Probably DDs just for a little more room for error in boss fights since dying and having to run through the whole thing again isn't the most efficient practice.
honest kernel
ah yeah true
timber pike
I don't normally have difficulty in normal rooms until I started running HL5.
quartz mantle
with Stubborn Defiance your health pool is fluid but shorter on each individual room while Death Defiances make your health pool static but larger
mossy zinc
I'd say I'd rather have SD + Touch of Styx Dark (with potentially extra DDs) at high heat than 3 normal DDs.
quartz mantle
Yea and SD can scale better with Athena DDs
mossy zinc
Like, it depends on how confident you are in anything before dad.
honest kernel
so you use your SD death before taking the athena boon and it gives you a DD?
mossy zinc
I've done some with EM4 pacts with DDs because 3 DDs for dad is comfy.
honest kernel
other way around does nothing
mossy zinc
Yes.
quartz mantle
Can you really call it EM4 if you’re not also running HL5 FO2 HS?
honest kernel
if im still learning dad's phase 3 i think so xd
mossy zinc
And RI3.
mossy zinc
60% more Wretched Sneaks.
left prism
60% more B.balls sounds fun
mossy zinc
More fun with Sturdy than without, I can say that. 
hardy garden
mossy zinc
Speaking of which.
Did you know that Sturdy also gives you 30% damage reduction?
@daring hedge didn't know.
Had the high heat WR and didn't know that. Crazy, right?
lean pecan
I didn't remember that it was exactly 30%, but I knew it reduced damage.
He, did know that at least right-
For some reason I actually thought it was 50%/half
Idk where I got that from
mossy zinc
You'd think that, but no, the Star Fox did not know that.
hardy garden
pure lily
patty shows 3% of the time
lean pecan
You'd think that, but no, the Star Fox did not know that.
What did he think it did...?
pure lily
this is a proven statistic based off of only my confirmation bias
mossy zinc
You can see the original conversation if you follow UnAnanas's reply lol.
lean pecan
Oh Idk why I didn't notice the name
timber pike
@mossy zinc am I doing ok so far? I just exited asphodel with 2:39 to spare
mossy zinc
Yup. Good pace.
timber pike
tartarus was 43 seconds I think
mossy zinc
You can turn on the IGT in the top right corner. That's a little more intuitive than how much time you have left.
timber pike
how?
hardy garden
just open up settings
mossy zinc
Yeah, that's a decent pace for sub 20 for sure.
shy plinth
Yeah that's a number I'd expect to see if you're used to td3
If that's happening consistently then you must be losing time somewhere in elysium or styx in a major way
mossy zinc
EM3 gonna be slower than the normal boss fight, but it's on a very good pace for sub 20 anyway.
Well, one run isn't an average.
timber pike
so for speedrunning purposes, it would be wise to choose the cyclops jerky? I'm in patrocolous' chamber and I have full health and all dds
mossy zinc
Doesn't matter too much with Malphon, but might as well.
tranquil quarry
in most cases, I even choose it when I'm down a life lol
gaunt fiber
so for speedrunning purposes, it would be wise to choose the cyclops jerky? I'm ...
generally hydralite to keep high confidence up
hardy garden
usually elysium is longest and aspho is shortest
gaunt fiber
wait are you speedrunning 32 already
timber pike
don't think I'll get it this time. I'm at 10:22 in thesus and asterius chamber
timber pike
wait are you speedrunning 32 already
nope I'm working on my clear times so I can not die at td3 on 32 heat
gaunt fiber
ok ok, then yeah hydralite won't do anything
mossy zinc
Should be quite a bit faster than your current Malphon PB anyway.
So it's a good pace. You're getting there.
daring hedge
eternal hare
sometimes you get funny massive negative splits where tartarus takes longer than asphodel which in turn takes longer than elysium
mossy zinc
Even I didn't have the link to the original conversation and I probably bring it up the most here. m impressed.
tranquil quarry
nope I'm working on my clear times so I can not die at td3 on 32 heat
hmm my mental math usually adds something like 2-3ish minutes from the moment I kill the champions to have a decent idea of what my final clear time should be if I get lucky on satyr sacs
if unlucky, I'd say it can go up to 4 minutes
but that's like 5 tunnel sac lol
eternal hare
anything under 2 minutes for styx+dad on a 2-sack is pretty solid when you've got middle management enabled
tranquil quarry
yeah that's actually pretty respectable pace
if you're using battie, then the styx middle management fights are actually not all that much extra time I think
but that's assuming you still have companion charges left
eternal hare
if you use them at the usual speedrunning points you'd need to buy one, but you could opt to skip using one of them based on judgment
timber pike
got a 2 sack and I'm headed to hades at 13:55:10
eternal hare
the second miniboss does take a little bit of time to spawn in and sometimes you just get the two tankiest things ever
tranquil quarry
hmm your pacing up til styx is actually really good, but for a 2 sac, that feels like tiny vermin kind of pace
mossy zinc
got a 2 sack and I'm headed to hades at 13:55:10
Good luck!
tranquil quarry
I assume it wasnt a splash dash fist build?
mossy zinc
The goal is just to beat TD3 consistently with sub 16 as a target time to get there.
tranquil quarry
that's perfect pace if that's the goal
for me tho, if I beat champions at a pace like sub 11 minutes, I would 100% even shoot for sub 15 clear cuz that's super in the realm of possibility
timber pike
Good luck!
my first attempt time ended at 16:21:73
timber pike
yeah
dapper schooner
sometimes you get funny massive negative splits where tartarus takes longer than...
shorter Ely than aspho 
must be an incredible Ely skip
tranquil quarry
barge in aspho, fountain than and patty in ely
hardy garden
my first attempt time ended at 16:21:73
how the build turn out
mossy zinc
Yeah, now it's time for post-run analysis.
tranquil quarry
yeah I'm curious as to what kind of build you had going into styx too
tranquil quarry
speaking of which, I'm kinda salty that OBS ended up skipping frames randomly in my last recording
timber pike
how the build turn out <:thanthink:669246004142538753>
i'll show a screenshot in a few minutes
tranquil quarry
dont be a dingus like me and make sure to run OBS in admin mode if you record with that
shy plinth
That shouldn't matter much I don't think
Depends on the encoder you use but you can set it to high priority if you aren't on a gpu based encoder
tranquil quarry
nvenc D:<
mossy zinc
If it's possible to record your runs that would be super helpful
I don't think that would be efficient at this point because usually it's pretty obvious stuff at this level.
mossy zinc
Well.
tranquil quarry
I probably need to keep an eye on it from here on to make sure it doesnt keep doing that
mossy zinc
99% I'd look at like at the first 10-20 seconds of an enemy wave and then just be like "you can play way more aggressive than that."
shy plinth
If you have your OBS logs feel free to send them to me and we can figure out where frames are being dropped 🙂
shy plinth
99% I'd look at like at the first 10-20 seconds of an enemy wave and then just b...
This does sound like you
tranquil quarry
nah no logs atm, but I can probably figure it out
worst case, my CPU can more than handle something like encoding as well so I can swap to h264 or something
hardy garden
well theres stuff like room/boon decision making we can see
mossy zinc
Yeah, but that's usually better explained live, I think, than in a run that's already done.
tranquil quarry
lmaoo I feel like when I look back at some of my recordings
I'm like "yo dingus, you can't actually dash thru that area and you wasted 5 seconds trying"
flat flicker
i'd be up to sidecar for someone later
mossy zinc
During a live run, you can actually direct the build from the start and point out things to avoid etc., and it becomes a little more obvious how this can lead to that, etc.
tranquil quarry
"yo, that armored wave maker sure is making you work for that kill huh"
mossy zinc
But if somebody records a video and made some mistakes at the start, then... you can mainly just give advice on that and the rest of the run is just a lot of missed damage control.
mossy zinc
Like "you should have purged the boon here that you shouldn't have picked up in the first place."
tranquil quarry
forced boon, forget to purge later, ends up wasting space in future pom
or worse, force boon, go to purge pool, don't see the boon, not sure if I want to waste a reroll just to get rid of it
mossy zinc
Probably shoulda rerolled the boon in the first place to not pick up trash.
tranquil quarry
oh yeah so an interesting note about that
in my recent runs, I've been trying to save as many rerolls as possible for hermes or chaos
lean pecan
I’d like doing that ngl
Okay I have to ask
Is your pfp an actual screenshot of the game? Is a level 40 boon even possible?
jaunty falcon
I do that then spend 3 rolls for a common quick recovery
jaunty falcon
Okay I have to ask
Is your pfp an actual screenshot of the game? Is a level 40 ...
No, yes
tranquil quarry
I do that then spend 3 rolls for a common quick recovery
eternal hare
clearly this is why the optimal strategy is just reset if you have to roll even once for something you want
tranquil quarry
but yeah like I typically leave tartarus with 3-5 dice so that usually means I was conservative for early rerolls sometimes favoring picking up garbage cuz I want more dice when hermes comes around
what I find is that if I have to spend more dice than that in tartarus, there's a good chance I just end up with dud hermes boon
shy plinth
worst case, my CPU can more than handle something like encoding as well so I can...
NVenc is much better than x264 basically always
mossy zinc
x264 can have better image quality. But NVENC shouldn't really affect your performance.
shy plinth
The new nvenc encoder is pretty unlikely to be noticeably worse in terms of image quality
Could still be cpu limited even with nvenc on
tranquil quarry
the game performance is fine, but the actual end result of the video was stuttery a bit
shy plinth
Yeah something else is going on there
tranquil quarry
and it's a 5950x and rtx3070 so that feels like super duper weird right
so imma just go double check my settings later
shy plinth
Would guess recording settings are on h264
mossy zinc
The mods will just delete your messages instead of the bot when you evade the swear filter btw.
timber pike
I'm having issues sending the screenshot since discord mobile won't work, so my build was level 3 lightning strike, scintillating feast, aphrodite special, zeus call, divine dash, and my hammers were long knuckle and rush kick (mostly irrelevant.) I also took greatest reflex, broken resolve, positive outlook, and strong drink.
mossy zinc
Would guess recording settings are on h264
Tbh that shouldn't matter with that system anyway.
Back to high heat, though.
shy plinth
It shouldn't
tranquil quarry
oh I should just stick to terms that hades players would be used to from here on I guess
like instead of swearing, say "blood and darkness"
timber pike
no jolted this run. Oh I forgot to mention I had smouldering air
timber pike
also no. I don't think either of those showed up once
bronze rapids
What were the other 2 hammer options for your hammers
tranquil quarry
going into styx, did you swap out to something like charon's keepsake?
bronze rapids
Charon if you're confident with the fights and want more damage, Acorn or Tooth for defensive
mossy zinc
Build looks decent enough anyway. No Static Discharge kinda hurts. Kind of a lack of poms if you only got Lightning Strike to Lv.3 and didn't pom anything else.
bronze rapids
How's Rush Kick compared to the other hammers
mossy zinc
Kinda trash.
timber pike
going into styx, did you swap out to something like charon's keepsake?
no I kept the acorn on
mossy zinc
You don't need to take the Acorn at Heat that low.
lean pecan
How's Rush Kick compared to the other hammers
Is that the one that gives your special 80 base damage?
It was... okay I guess
mossy zinc
Nothing much else that would have done a lot anyway, so I guess it's fine.
Also.
Nyaanyaa Mewmew — Today at 7:02 PM
99% I'd look at like at the first 10-20 seconds of an enemy wave and then just be like "you can play way more aggressive than that."
Do that.
bronze rapids
You don't need to take the Acorn at Heat that low.
#hades-low-heat-strategies
tranquil quarry
and then looking at me in the first 10-20seconds of a wave and be like "how did you even miss that charge shot?"
tranquil quarry
and then I'd respond "bloody wave makers"
jaunty falcon
I am bad at fists
Fists are just bad lmao
mossy zinc
Fists are bad at Ange1Man?
jaunty falcon
Yeah prolly
jaunty falcon
What about quake cutter
timber pike
so what would you consider consistent enough to continue running 32 heat fists?
bronze rapids
several people are typing
cursive portal
🧲
tranquil quarry
have you ever looked at malphon and be like "man I wish I was a street fighter"
and then you got a hammer and started shooting hadouken
quartz mantle
Trick question I have never looked at malphon
bronze rapids
I called Achilles rush the "Omae wa mou shindeirou" move
quartz mantle
I call Achilles rush the “carpal tunnel” move
tranquil quarry
I called Achilles rush the "Omae wa mou shindeirou" move
that feels more like those teleporting flamewheels when benefit package is turned on
cursive portal
LOL
bronze rapids
trufax
mossy zinc
so what would you consider consistent enough to continue running 32 heat fists?
I'd say just try get sub 16 for now. You can learn some things from that. And if you can do that in the next couple runs, just shoot for sub 15, too.
cursive portal
I call Achilles rush the “carpal tunnel” move
Take that attack button out for dinner
Show it a real good time
Then punish it with some sword gameplay
mossy zinc
You've already tried 32 with Malphon, so you'll have a sense for when you're better prepared.
bronze rapids
I call Achilles rush the “carpal tunnel” move
Flurry Jab, the RSI savior
mossy zinc
have you ever looked at malphon and be like "man I wish I was a street fighter"
I'd just turn on SFV if I thought that.
tranquil quarry
speaking of which, who thought that was a good idea to let flamewheels teleport lol
mossy zinc
Amir.
bronze rapids
Also homing cloning witches
cursive portal
speaking of which, who thought that was a good idea to let flamewheels teleport ...
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/934160025503563846/Too_fast_for_me.mp4 this one of my favorite clips ever
eternal hare
teleporting flame wheels are actually very nice
I find it helps encourage them to self-destruct faster
tranquil quarry
sanic
bronze rapids
Mistral dash stonks
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/934160025503563846/Too...
That Chariot was on a mission.
hoary pasture
I feel like Luci is the worst thing to try this with
cursive portal
failed call i frame
mossy zinc
Your mistake was entering that chamber instead of one of the others.
So many routes, and you chose death.
bronze rapids
The previous room might have only had 1 exit
tranquil quarry
legendary boon that scouts out the next 3 rooms
bronze rapids
Well, who chose to enter the previous room?
By chain induction we conclude that Ange1man should have not installed the game
mossy zinc
That's a very wrong conclusion.
That would entail not meeting Lady Aphrodite, not gifting Nectar to Lady Aphrodite, not...
Quite honestly... that's blasphemy.
cursive portal
@jaunty falcon throwback to when ykc got like 55+ heat with rib
mossy zinc
Throwback to when Rib and Shady were the only summons you could use vs Hades.
timber pike
good thing I didn't play that early
timber pike
<@358552191944097803> throwback to when ykc got like 55+ heat with rib<:bouldy:5...
Link?
timber pike
Oh
cursive portal
I have no idea what run its from lol
jaunty falcon
Didn’t ykc beat 5x heat with DDs because patty didn’t work in Chinese
solemn pulsar
Throwback to when Rib and Shady were the only summons you could use vs Hades. <:...
Keep playing and talking to Hades, eventually he will give you permission. 🙂
yeah LOL i made a mod to fix it like 3 days before it was fixed with a patch
cursive portal
Thank you melon
bronze rapids
passion beo
cursive portal
Mirage on 55 heat
mossy zinc
Please translate that title.
mossy zinc
Seems legit.
Thanks.
Love God Battle Inquisitive Variation.
Sounds like a fancy chess opening.
next acorn
Four consecutive full moon chop
bronze rapids
Google translate changed Love God to Eros 
*shoves their server into the crocodile pool
timber pike
alright I'm going to do more speedruns now
mossy zinc
Good luck!
flat flicker
based
next acorn
Is it Fahrenheit or Celsius?
raw cloud
what was your time
timber pike
what was your time
16:48
raw cloud
oh that’s not bad at all
raw cloud
yeahh
mossy zinc
Is it Fahrenheit or Celsius?
Yes.
next acorn
I disagree
mossy zinc
Okay.
next acorn
No
mossy zinc
Let's disagree to disagree.
next acorn
Perhaps
bronze rapids
is that an agreement then
honest kernel
getting the right gods sometimes feels impossible
mossy zinc
That can't be right. I get boons from Lady Aphrodite every time I start with the 
.
timber pike
epic I got the robbed thanatos clear message
honest kernel
guides be like get aphro and arty then take ares and zeus but not before hermes
pawnstars.png "best i can do is dio"
timber pike
are you taking their keepsakes with you
honest kernel
feels like i cant leave tartarus without single doors locking me into 2+ garbo gods
if i force a 5th in asphodel do they show up throughout elysium?
timber pike
yes
hoary pasture
If you carry the keepsake still
mossy zinc
guides be like get aphro and arty then take ares and zeus but not before hermes
What guides are you looking at?
That doesn't sound like any guides people share around here.
mossy zinc
For what aspect?
honest kernel
hera
hoary pasture
honest kernel
"- Dionysus, strong drink + vintage good, call potentially good if smoldering/billowing is on the table and your build is in shambles anyway"
me every run
start with aphro and pray to rng gods you can get poseidon/artemis naturally
mossy zinc
You should just focus on getting poms on Crush Shot and getting Snow Burst and a decent Attack, usually Deadly Strike. And also getting good boons from Lord Hermes. And yeah, avoid picking up any Call until after you got the two boons from Lord Hermes because a Call will pollute his boon pool by adding Second Wind and Quick Favor...
Also look for Killing Freeze after you got Snow Burst.
That's basically it.
hardy garden
you dont really care that much about mirage
mossy zinc
And worry about any optimizations beyond that when you have more experience exploring the build.
hardy garden
easier stuff to get thatll help more like snow burst or chaos or quick reload or just a lot of poms
mossy zinc
It'll also come a lot more natural when you've learned other strong builds.
honest kernel
yeah hera feels like a boom or bust build
mossy zinc
You basically start Lady Aphrodite and then avoid any other god that isn't Lady Demeter, Lady Artemis, or Poseidon.
honest kernel
either i 1-shot the mobs or im in trouble
mossy zinc
Not at all, Hera is super consistent.
shy plinth
yeah hera feels like a boom or bust build
More like... boon or bust
honest kernel
xd
shy plinth
mossy zinc
At high heat it starts to have issues because of CF2 AP and stuff like that just hurting your build potential a lot.
honest kernel
You basically start Lady Aphrodite and then avoid any other god that isn't Lady ...
getting single-door'd into ares or something seems to happen every run for me
mossy zinc
That's normal.
Hence the suggestions in the guide for what boons you take from other gods.
Getting an ideal 4-god pool isn't really what you should expect.
honest kernel
probably doesnt help that im going from 32 to 40 at once :/
mossy zinc
If you don't know the build while jumping from 32 to 40 at the same time, that's gonna lead to some difficulties.
And 40 is also where Hera is gonna start being less consistent. It's probably the worst bow for high heat.
But very consistently fast in speedruns.
honest kernel
yeah the 1 shotting makes me want to try low heat speed runs lol
solemn pulsar
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IHgXN-_iYn3G2BWUJ05GSi0Qm4j4FsE0yPNM3stKpOE/...
man who wrote this some dummies probably
also disclaimer that's just for speedrunning and was also done v quickly
jaunty falcon
(insert scuffed joke)
hoary pasture
cursive portal
timber pike
haven't gotten a sub 15 yet
pseudo kernel
Is it Fahrenheit or Celsius?
Kelvin
honest kernel
what pacts are you doing for sub15
timber pike
what pacts are you doing for sub15
none except for em3 and td3
hardy garden
kinda a bruh moment when you throw zeuwus flare beo to 50 heat em4 twice in a row
then when you get to him the third time you run outta battery and the run gets rekt
timber pike
then when you get to him the third time you run outta battery and the run gets r...
Bruh
That’s why when it gets low I stop playing until it’s fully charged
hardy garden
usually my laptop first warns me by exiting the window but instead it decided to just die
timber pike
Wait so you didn’t even finish the run yet
hardy garden
run went poof
hardy garden
well im getting to dad consistently at least
timber pike
I can get to dad consistently too. At low heat
hardy garden
the most part is that the first run i died phase 3 5% hp and the second run it was literally like 1%
timber pike
Wait he was at 1% hp?
honest kernel
the most <:bouldy:523329116934635534> part is that the first run i died phase 3...
Clearly that means third attempt is the charm
timber pike
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/932137430339977326/941161185028481044/H...
Wowww that was terrible
I’d be so frustrated if it was that close
hardy garden
yep me tho totally not annoyed by my smol brain. not at all
shy gulch
darn missed hera talk
just be sure to not push higher than like 45 with it and its great 
ripe ermine
guides be like get aphro and arty then take ares and zeus but not before hermes
Oof I better edit that part out of my guide
solemn pulsar
just be sure to not push higher than like 45 with it and its great <:bouldy:6739...
just add this as a P.S at the end of the guide
shy gulch
honestly imma just say "ps dont do over 20 heat its not comfy"
solemn pulsar
honestly imma just say "ps dont do over 20 heat its not comfy"
Should be the description for this channel tbh
rough spade
What are good pact thingies to get 32 heat
hoary pasture
Check pins
rough spade
I underestimated how much effort 32 heat takes 😳
rough spade
No no no no no no
I got aphro like the guide said
But there no HS
I gave up
I'll just go for 16
rough spade
Too bad I already did
gaunt fiber
I got aphro like the guide said
First mistake 
ripe ermine
What aspect are you running?
pure lily
Just run beo
hoary pasture
ikr
timber pike
alright I'm ready to do 32 heat zeus fists now
mossy zinc
Good luck!
timber pike
Good luck!
thanks
timber pike
i almost won but dad killed me
timber pike
the important thing here is i'm no longer timing out to the deadline, so i think I should finish this in one of my next runs
pure lily
Were you on fo
timber pike
ok
mossy zinc
Go go!
pure lily
timber pike
alright I am determined to finish this today
mossy zinc
If you die to him again, you could pause the game and backup your temp save to use as a practice save.
And then just grind the fight until you can beat him at least most of the time.
timber pike
If you die to him again, you could pause the game and backup your temp save to u...
can I do that on switch?
mossy zinc
But you're getting to him consistently now, I take it?
timber pike
But you're getting to him consistently now, I take it?
yes
mossy zinc
Yeah, then it shouldn't really take that much longer.
Next time you get to him, pause before go through the door.
And then just think about your strategy for the fight, and play it through in your head.
And then when you go out, just focus on cleanly executing that strategy. Don't worry about your HP or anything, just focus on clean play, landing your summon, getting into position, not overextending when he's about to sweep.. etc.
I don't know how familiar you are with the fight with Demeter Aspect... but the basic strategy is just after every time you evade an attack from him, you go in for some Attack hits just to get some damage in and charge your Giga-Cutter... and then after any time he whiffs a sweep, you go in to do your Dash-Upper and that'll take a chunk of his health, and then just get a few more attack hits in while he's still in recovery.
And if you don't have your Giga-Cutter charge yet when he whiffs a sweep, you just do some normal attacks first to charge it and then do your Dash-Upper.
timber pike
aphrodite's really stingy with offering her special to me
I guess I'm not worthy of it
mossy zinc
Well, what's she offering you instead?
timber pike
Well, what's she offering you instead?
i rerolled and just took crush shot. I probably could've taken passion dash or something but I'm using it as fodder for underworld customs since I only got 3 non chaos boons here
mossy zinc
You're using Crush Shot for what?
timber pike
might time out since I took that erebus gate and the stupid flaming wheel was taking forever to explode. I only took it because it was offering health and the next room was demeter.
timber pike
You're using Crush Shot for what?
to sell for underworld customs
mossy zinc
I didn't hear you. What did you say you're using Crush Shot for?
timber pike
I didn't hear you. What did you say you're using Crush Shot for?
it's all good. I didn't have to sell it because I died to meg instead.
mossy zinc
No, it's not all good.
She gives you Crush Shot so you can get Smair soon, and this is how you thank her.
And you wonder why she doesn't give you Heartbreak Flourish when you show no gratitude.
timber pike
she kept being stingy with offering smair in my last runs though
mossy zinc
While asking her high priestess for help, no less.
Well, she has excellent judgment, clearly.
timber pike
Well, she has excellent judgment, clearly.
she kept offering her tier 2 boons and not smair when I was close to getting it at least twice
mossy zinc
Good.
timber pike
when I met the requirements in tartarus
timber pike
zeus would never stab me in the back like this
mossy zinc
Insolent.
timber pike
common frost flourish and frozen touch...guess I take rare crop then?
mossy zinc
timber pike
https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg
alright I'm sorry for disrespecting Lady Aphrodite but she's being mean to me
mossy zinc
That's not an apology.
timber pike
That's not an apology. <:courte5Wut:859131244670222357>
I'm sorry for disrespecting the almighty lady aphrodite. My judgement was severely flawed and I should have never even thought to purge crush shot. I should have planned to purge positive outlook, who needs that boon anyway? It's just some random dionysus boon, and the only god I need is lady aphrodite. In fact, screw Zeus, just give me all of Lady Aphrodite's boons.
is that fine?
should I take rare crop
eh I'll just take frozen touch as fodder for underworld customs
pure lily
Artemis would never wrong you, you should consider switching deities
long tiger
What do y'all think is considered high heat? 32+?
timber pike
Artemis would never wrong you, you should consider switching deities <:dusa:5222...
speaking of which there she is right now.
she heard your message
timber pike
What do y'all think is considered high heat? 32+?
yes
this channel has advice for all heat levels though
mossy zinc
32 is where the high heat leaderboard begins.
long tiger
Cool cool, thanks!
mossy zinc
But it also depends on context a lot. Like, for most experienced high heat players, 32 is pretty low. So if I was talking to somebody like that about "high heat", we might be referring to only 40+ or even only 50+.
long tiger
Makes sense
mossy zinc
But if you just finished your bounties, then something like 28 would be pretty high for you, probably.
For this channel anyway, there's no clear cut-off, just if you ask a lot for help with 12 Heat or something, somebody will eventually probably kindly direct you to another channel.
shy plinth
I believe the original genesis of this channel was builds and combat getting super intimidating for newer players when high heaters would talk about 40 pacts
dapper schooner
I didn't hear you. What did you say you're using Crush Shot for?
the same thing as i use parting shot for
mossy zinc
Yeah, since we're also some of the most active users. And it just didn't help anyone if we were discussing 40+ Heat strats and others would chime in with opinions about and experiences at like 6 Heat or something.. like what we said wasn't too relevant for them and what they said wasn't really relevant for us.
timber pike
I'm going with the eternal rose. but if aphrodite refuses to give me her special and smair one more time, I will never take the eternal rose again and permanently ignore her unless I'm forced to take her.
honest kernel
stop this heresy
timber pike
don't worry she did
I hate dying early. that wasn't even fair. 
me: fighting other head lernie: hi wanna dodge my slam while you're doing something else making it physically impossible to dodge
timber pike
after I beat dad at 32 heat with demeter fists, i'm retiring using demeter fists until I beat 32 heat with every other aspect
timber pike
all these attempts got my fist attempts to 2nd place in most used weapons (1st is the bow, at 80+ uses)
timber pike
though some were low heat practice runs which I won of course
I have like almost 247 and I've won 31 times
rough spade
Yeah
flat flicker
after I beat dad at 32 heat with demeter fists, i'm retiring using demeter fists...
or until you're like, let's do 40 with fists next week 
hoary pasture
Yeah, since we're also some of the most active users. And it just didn't help an...
I like 6 heat strats
mossy zinc
me: fighting other head lernie: hi wanna dodge my slam while you're doing someth...
Nice.
Go, Lernie.
timber pike
alright I'm in elysium now
i feel like the game hates me by deliberately pitting me against asterius instead of the butterfly ball. just give me a break already
timber pike
he already did
timber pike
asterius is my new enemy now 😡
i used to hate theseus but at least he doesn't beat me up
timber pike
hit list: 1. dad 2. asterius 3. lernie
not saying I want to rematch asterius just give me the butterfly ball
UGH THERE HE IS AGAIN
IT IS NOT OFTEN ANOTHER CHALLENGER RETURNS FOR ANOTHER SLAUGHTER AT MY HANDS!!!!
(also I'm not as mad as this makes me sound so don't worry lol)
just slightly annoyed
timber pike
alright asterius, are you happy? Did you get the satisfaction at slaughtering me once again?
can you maybe..stop showing up
nah asterius is definitely harder than dad. and for that he deserves to be #1 on my hit list
lean pecan
How
timber pike
at first: Asterius is a cool bull dude, wish we could be friends. hate theseus he's so annoying. now: Asterius is annoyingly aggressive with his moves on em3 and killed me twice, he now deserves death more than dad. Theseus: a total pushover. irrelevant.
timber pike
How
Em3 asterius is annoyingly aggressive and since I have less health due to stubborn defiance, I died to him twice recently. In comparison, I almost finished off dad the last time I was up against him
lean pecan
Why are you using stubborn defiance?
timber pike
I wouldn't say he's THAT difficult, but I often get hit by his spins.
I'm on 32 heat and I'm using Lasting Consequences 4, meaning I can't heal
hoary pasture
Stubborn Defiance is the only way to reliably heal on high heat
timber pike
yes
timber pike
or until you're like, let's do 40 with fists next week <:KEKW:858833481982410782...
maybe if I go insane in the next week . I won't touch higher heats until I'm finished with doing 32 heat with all aspects.
grave sage
what's a good pact layout fro 16 heat no damage?
tardy wyvern
And LC5?
grave sage
I started off with HL5, LC4, HS1 and EM2
mossy zinc
LC4, but yes.
grave sage
13h total
tardy wyvern
Wait its multiples of 25 isnt it
cursive portal
gaunt fiber
I only play multiple of 25 heat
mossy zinc
I guess add UC.
hoary pasture
Em2 is pretty bad
mossy zinc
I was thinking that.
hoary pasture
Add TD3
jaunty falcon
I play in multiples of 33
grave sage
can't
jaunty falcon
I play 33
grave sage
Add TD3
never got fast enough fro TD3
TD2 is fine but since no-hit TD1 would be way easier
HL5, LC4, EM2, UC1, HS1, TD1 puts me right at 16
hoary pasture
It's a no hit run
shy plinth
It sounds like you are attempting to do a very particular challenge though no-hit is not easy
shy plinth
If you're going super safe I am surprised you even have td1
grave sage
I mean, I get 20 mins of leeway most runs
mossy zinc
If your DPS is so bad you can't handle TD1 or TD2, it's gonna be much harder to no-hit.
shy plinth
I don't know what the plan is for no hit
I assumed constant range with that kind of pact
mossy zinc
Pretty much the same as when you play Hestia or the Aspect of Charged Skewer.
Which is also why Hestia and the Aspect of Charged Skewer are pretty popular for runs like that.
And Aegis, naturally.
shy plinth
Block button good
jaunty falcon
Use aspect of Gilgamesh for hitless for extreme discomfort
solemn pulsar
If you're going super safe I am surprised you even have td1
survival room intensifies
hoary pasture
How safe are we talking
mossy zinc
Just stand against a wall with Beowulf. Easy.
hoary pasture
The 2 hour run kind?
mossy zinc
Also I think I no-hit most survival rooms by accident.
jaunty falcon
Use ravenous will with Beowulf and don’t bullrush to get the +10% bonus all the time 👍
jaunty falcon
Wuh
shy plinth
Wrong animal
hoary pasture
jaunty falcon
Same thing 😠
mossy zinc
I mean try calling a dragon a bull and see how well that goes.
jaunty falcon
Idk I’m gonna get killed either way
mossy zinc
Sounds like something somebody who forgot to bring his Lv.40 Heroic Divine Dash would say.
Exposed.
jaunty falcon
102 damage beats everything in the game
jaunty falcon
😮 im blinded
mossy zinc
Exposed.
timber pike
hit list 3.5: poison 😡
ugh come on
I could've finished the run that wasn't even fair
cursive portal
Its very easy to do no hit 16 heat
Just HL5, LC4, TD3 is already 15
Then you take hightened security
waxen relic
smh you don't need Defiance and extra health so you should obv take Ri4 for hitless
mossy zinc
smh you don't need Defiance and extra health so you should obv take Ri4 for hitl...
Good thinking!
timber pike
i'm taking a break
waxen relic
btw here's competition: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1009160541
hoary pasture
real gamer
grave sage
ah damn, gotta update my list then, no damage 32
timber pike
if I can ever get this finished even though I keep getting close.
waxen relic
ah damn, gotta update my list then, no damage 32
What List? I took this from the challenge tab on the Heat-Sheet
grave sage
a personal list of challenging things in video games to do by next year
shy plinth
Have you done a yes damage 32
grave sage
yes
shy plinth
Cool
waxen relic
Oh, good luck with your challenges!
mossy zinc
Have you done a maybe damage 32?
tardy wyvern
Any tips for doing 32 heat?
mossy zinc
Oh no, Tiny Vermin has infiltrated the chat to learn our strategies and counter them.
SD
shy plinth
Stubborn defiance is meta at 32
tardy wyvern
And how good is hera on 32 heat
tardy wyvern
Im assuming thick skin > high confidence
mossy zinc
Definitely not as good as on lower heat since it suffers from pacts that hurt your build.
Right.
What are your clear times with Hera usually?
tardy wyvern
Around 12-14 range but my fastest is 11:31
shy plinth
Probably a good idea to post your full mirror and pact
mossy zinc
Alright.
In that case.
HL5 LC4 EM2 BP2 MM FO2 HS TD3, and then just do a standard Hera build with Crush Shot and Snow Burst.
timber pike
after 32 heat with all aspects I'll probably take a huge break from this game with the occasional run here and there.
it depends on how long it takes me
tardy wyvern
Oh lord HL5 
mossy zinc
That's a speedrun pact, which I normally wouldn't recommend to somebody trying their first 32 Heat, but with your clear times m pretty sure you'll be fine. And it'll help Hera a lot because you can just do your normal any heat build and just one-shot everything.
If you turn down FO or HL, you start having to take pacts that hurt your build, and Hera doesn't really like those.
tardy wyvern
Ik but still it scares me a lil bit lol
mossy zinc
Eh, you'll be fine. You can just take Acorn in Elysium and for Hades.
shy plinth
What's the highest heat you've done before?
tardy wyvern
21 I think?
shy plinth
32's a pretty decent jump from there, pretty hard to build a reasonable pact that doesn't include hl5 or fo2
timber pike
21 I think?
my highest before 32 was 20 heat. so I think you'll be fine. maybe.
mossy zinc
Might even be able to get away with Bone Hourglass just to double down on your Cast damage if the run is going well.
Instead of Acorn.
timber pike
it's still a huge jump but I got adjusted to no healing and SD surprisingly quickly
mossy zinc
Like if your build is strong, just double down on DPS and kill things.
shy plinth
Yeah LC4 SD isn't really the hard part after a few runs, it's either HL5 or FO2
Cleaning up the boss fights
timber pike
yeah the boss fights are my main issue.
mossy zinc
The only real issue I see maybe is some bad BP2 rooms with Speeder Witches or whatever.
Just remember you can clear projectiles with your Special if you run into something like that.
tardy wyvern
Is spearpoint good on 32 heat?
mossy zinc
No.
tardy wyvern
F
mossy zinc
It's not even good at not-32 Heat tbh.
tardy wyvern
I usually take spiked collar in most runs cause I like the extra health
mossy zinc
I liked it a lot when it was broken and had no cooldown.
Broken not as in bugged but as in they didn't add a cooldown yet.
Spiked Collar also not very good.
timber pike
I never used the spiked collar either. It's only +25 health and I can easily just get centaur hearts.
mossy zinc
Acorn is your best defensive keepsake in Elysium and Asphodel for the bosses.
timber pike
plus the health will go away once you unequip it
tardy wyvern
So in tartarus I assume I still always take rose
raw cloud
usually i do acorn or tooth if i’m worried for Elysium/styx
mossy zinc
Do you know how to get DDs from Lady Athena when you have Stubborn Defiance?
tardy wyvern
Nope. I never use SD lol
mossy zinc
Right. So basically just if you have any core boons from Lady Athena (except her Call), then it unlocks Last Stand and Deathless Stand in her boon pool.... and then any time before you pick up a boon from her, you wanna make sure that you lose your SD in that chamber before you pick it up.
And then if you take Last Stand or Deathless Stand, she'll "replenish" your empty slot and give you a DD.
And when you enter the next chamber, you also get your SD back like normal.
raw cloud
(so you get two death defies?)
timber pike
yes
tardy wyvern
And then Frostbitten Horn in Asphodel normally.
If I have snow burst by asphodel should I take arrowhead?
mossy zinc
Probably better to grab the Owl Pendant for Divine Dash and maybe some DDs.
tardy wyvern
Ight
lean pecan
Broken not as in bugged but as in they didn't add a cooldown yet.
So at one point it literally just made you invincible for the whole encounter after taking 1 hit then???
tardy wyvern
I usually take arrowhead if I have tempest flourish to try and get mirage shot but thats more of a speedrun thing ig
waxen relic
So at one point it literally just made you invincible **for the whole encounter*...
It made it so you could only take one hit every 1.5s
tardy wyvern
Im assuming divine dash is the best dash on high heat by a wide margin
jaunty falcon
Yeah
mossy zinc
Ehhhhh depends on how critically you need DPS from your Dash. But it's definitely up there.
cursive portal
blade and tidal still have a use in my opinion in high heats
timber pike
blade and tidal still have a use in my opinion in high heats
how's blade dash? Never used it before
cursive portal
tidal scales amazingly with razor shoals, blade dash builds call crazy fast and is great for bossing
mossy zinc
Divine Dash doesn't save you from timing out.
cursive portal
Also yeah
tardy wyvern
Interesting
cursive portal
Hunter dash is great on bow/hestia
mossy zinc
Any other Dash that seemingly makes no sense is crucial if you're Retrash.
cursive portal
Drunken dash
waxen relic
Including pash-dash 
quartz mantle
Im assuming divine dash is the best dash on high heat by a wide margin
idk man
mossy zinc
Passion Dash is the best Dash.
jaunty falcon
No it isn’t.
tardy wyvern
Im assuming the good hammers on bow are still good in higher heats
mossy zinc
Yes, it is.
timber pike
~~idk man~~
wait since you don't take CF2 what do you normally take at 32 heat anyway?
tardy wyvern
Flurry double and triple
quartz mantle
Twin/Triple + Perfect/Point Blank still goated
jaunty falcon
No, it is not!
mossy zinc
Yes, it is.
quartz mantle
wait since you don't take CF2 what do you normally take at 32 heat anyway? <:bou...
Literally anything else
I’ve cleared 50 heat without CF
jaunty falcon
Yes, it isn’t.
cursive portal
CF2 
left prism
Cf2 ew
mossy zinc
Im assuming the good hammers on bow are still good in higher heats
Yeah like I said earlier, just do the standard Hera build pretty much.
shy plinth
HL1 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3
mossy zinc
You could be done with your run by now.
jaunty falcon
I’ve cleared 2 heat with CF2
tardy wyvern
Im not home 
timber pike
CF2 isn't even that bad
cursive portal
You're not turning RI up
bronze rapids
CF1 isn't that bad
mossy zinc
RI4 isn't that bad.
cursive portal
More gold rewards, more boons, more boons to purge, 100 extra gold
bronze rapids
Just don't get hit ezpz
left prism
Cf2 is bad vibes
devout quiver
I just like the brain feel good of buying stuff
waxen relic
You're not turning RI up
Traitor. Can i reserve some crocodiles?
cursive portal
CF2 is just horrible
tardy wyvern
Whats cf?
timber pike
convenience fee
bronze rapids
Convenience Fee
tardy wyvern
Ah
cursive portal
Traitor. Can i reserve some crocodiles?
bronze rapids
Stuff cost more moneys
devout quiver
CF gives me less brain feel goods from buying stuff, so is bad 
quartz mantle
^
I mean if you think about it you’re basically getting 80% less boons Poms and health
So it’s like -Dark foresight
But twice
cursive portal
yes
timber pike
perhaps I'd feel differently if I did higher heat or if it inconvenienced me specifically in some way.
devout quiver
Less boons is the real reason CF hurts, yeah
cursive portal
perhaps I'd feel differently if I did higher heat or if it inconvenienced me spe...
Inconceivace fee
timber pike
inconvenience fee
raw cloud
Less boons is the real reason CF hurts, yeah
especially when theres a god you need for your BUILD RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU
waxen relic
80% less of a totally different amount lol
mossy zinc
Traitor. Can i reserve some crocodiles?
The sacred crocodiles won't be needed. RI4 betrayers die from their own shame. They can't even look at themselves in the mirror. 
raw cloud
cf and ap were just made for the emotional damage tbh
probably ri too
cursive portal
Traitor. Can i reserve some crocodiles?
What I meant to say is that CF2 feels like it hurts less with full mirror
mossy zinc
You'll need to explain to him what a full mirror is.
waxen relic
Excuses.
timber pike
after I'm able to do clean fights without taking much damage and have experience with all aspects on 32 heat, the only other thing I'll need to learn will be em4 and doing sub-10 minutes.
mossy zinc
And being nice.
timber pike
And being nice.
to aphrodite?
tardy wyvern
Aphrodite carries my hera runs so I gotta be nice to her
timber pike
Aphrodite carries my hera runs so I gotta be nice to her
she's my second most used god. zeus is my first.
i find them to be the most useful
ember bronze
is Anvil a reasonably safe purchase with Eris, with only final boss remaining?
The only disaster is Hazard, and might still be workable?
hoary pasture
What hammers do you currently have
ember bronze
Ricochet/Flurry
they're not doing much, and there's no Cursed Slash situation
Feels like EV is probably positive
hoary pasture
You could anvil
ember bronze
cool
eternal hare
spread is also a concern
eternal hare
oh true, you can't lose both of those
hoary pasture
That's nice
bronze rapids
I won a 40 Eris that got anviled into spread fire
prob helped that it was drunken so anything more than 5 shots didn't do anything
mossy zinc
It's not like Spread Fire is terrible like Flurry Slash, it's just not optimal by any means.
timber pike
UGHH
I was close (again) and he killed me 😡
this blows I might just do rama or beowulf I'm tired of working on the same run over and over
shy plinth
Don't keep repeating this if it's not fun
Lower some heat options and pick some to get used to
timber pike
I will do that, thanks
hardy garden
yeah just get practice in
mossy zinc
Maybe I should hire Asterius when the sacred crocodiles are on strike again. He's doing a good job.
next acorn
Oh no 
ember bronze
hoary pasture
Also damn this Pride putting in work
ember bronze
yeah, also just the maximum-foolproof setup for boss damage
Broken Resolve, Bronze Skin, Abyssal, and Patroclus
so no way to throw
(and of course, with the comfort of knowing that, I played fine and took 18 total damage in the fight)
honest kernel
https://clips.twitch.tv/PlausibleSourWalrusLitFam-bXb706U0vv6nmhHf Turns out Theseus' clown kart is no joke
Also here to say that I got to heroes on 64 heat without mods. Yeah.
mossy zinc
I think when you beat them, inevitably, you can definitely claim the title Champion of Elysium.
honest kernel
Don't think Hades would let me
hoary pasture
You surely could work on your pact, I suggest reading the pins here
mossy zinc
Don't think Hades would let me <:shadedisgruntled:520448241490329613>
Well... I guess then you'll just have to beat him up right after that and claim his title, too.
honest kernel
Let's see if I can be convincing enough
hoary pasture
Are you just chilling on unmodded for now
mossy zinc
He was chilling those two with his Call, yeah.
cursive portal
needed to heat up during winter
honest kernel
Are you just chilling on unmodded for now
On a serious note, ye.
Too lazy to re-install the mods
quartz mantle
https://twitter.com/HamletEJ/status/1492255779277000706
ANVIL 👏 GAMING 👏
bronze rapids
https://clips.twitch.tv/PlausibleSourWalrusLitFam-bXb706U0vv6nmhHf Turns out The...
I watched that clip and uh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/867888481324761108/941844526614609930/Screenshot_20220211-185317_Twitch2.jpg
cursive portal
night tendon
Wow guess having played more rogue likes and dmc and yalls suggestions (wow i was so wrong on poseidon and Athena thank you for teaching me how op those calls are)
now that I upgraded my favorite weapon aspects to max i wanna get more a feel for the fists and lance since i never really used them and am unsure how good their aspects are. Any recommendations which to try first or invest in first?
timber pike
Lower some heat options and pick some to get used to
I’ve decided to take a break from the game for now. It’s not fun for me right now
night tendon
I really enjoyed stacking the Zag fists with the hermes boon and making a psudo dodge tank but i doubt thats viable on post 20 plus heats
thats the beauty of rogue likes is that even once ya drop em they can still be rewarding later
I took a two year break from hades and just recently came back and am loving it more than ever
night tendon
I’ve decided to take a break from the game for now. It’s not fun for me right no...
hope ya can enjoy the same way
bronze rapids
I really enjoyed stacking the Zag fists with the hermes boon and making a psudo ...
Gilgamesh with Ruthless Reflex can do dodge tanking with less plume RNG but it involves using Gilgamesh
hardy garden
with just zag fists and second wind thats almost 50% dodge
like thats already pretty tanky af
bronze rapids
Zag fists RR then roll for Hermes dash
hardy garden
id just do greater reflex
you can just get second wind or greater evasion from hermes
ember bronze
It's fun to just play Zag fists with plume, can easily do like 32 or something
It's sort of silly because if you get something like Second Wind + Rush Delivery it feels super clever. But if you don't, you might be fine but it's not really a satisfying build that had much purpose
quartz mantle
now that I upgraded my favorite weapon aspects to max i wanna get more a feel fo...
Achilles and Demeter are the typical aspects for those weapons as they’re generally considered the best
Achilles can make some monster cast builds and Demeter gives you a strong special for quick burst damage
There are of course other options, Zag fists can make a dodge build, Talos can have some fun cast builds, Gilgamesh…
Zag spear is pretty versatile cause you can build either flurry jab or exploding launcher for an attack or a special build
raw cloud
gilgamesh does exist, yes
quartz mantle
Hades spear leans more towards the exploding launcher build cause the sweep debuff is pretty substantial with crits
And Guan Yu likes the Charged Skewer quite a bit
night tendon
Sounds great! Demeter one sounds really interesting esp for Dio and Aphrodite
pseudo kernel
@honest kernel you should check the pins in this channel
that pact is pretty bad
btw you can send screenshots in these channels by posting it in imgur or a private server and copy and pasting the link here
honest kernel
I see
hoary pasture
Routine inspection is one of the worst heat modifiers you can take at 32
cursive portal
My god that pact
pseudo kernel
the worst part is cf2
next acorn
CF2 🤮
honest kernel
What's wrong with cf
Just avoiding shop
Its even in pinned message xD
Td2?
I wont make it in 7 mins..
quartz mantle
The guide is a lil outdated in that regard
We’ve come to realize that being able to buy boons kinda nice
It helps your overall strength when you can buy extra boons, health, Poms, and well items like Ixions
TD0 pacts are funny but if you’re going to utilize it to it’s fullest potential turn up hard labor and take off Routine Inspection and just camp enemies out
Also take off CF
honest kernel
We are talking about god mode turned off I suppose??
quartz mantle
I mean sure
You can use godmode I guess it’s just kind of weird
For 32 heat specifically
Cause like you’re doing it for a challenge and god mode is meant to take away challenge and let you experience the story and the game and whatever
honest kernel
Yeah
quartz mantle
So combining the two doesn’t make sense to my analytical brain specifically but you can do whatever
quartz mantle
I mean there’s the typical core of
LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3 that comes out to something like 31 but that can arranged around
Like if you don’t like TD at all you can turn it down to TD1 and put some heat into HL
If you don’t feel comfortable playing with Stubborn Defiance you can turn LC down and put heat into like JS or something
If you’re going to use TD0 I recommend bumping up HL and FO and just camping enemies out with spear
Especially if you can get the exploding launcher hammer cause then you can actually use your special
RI and AP can hurt your build a lot and with a TD0 pact that’s not a huge deal for individual rooms but it does make your boss fights harder
losing dark foresight in particular hurts your overall power a lot
You get less boons, less health, etc. which makes you a lot weaker
And AP hurts a lot especially on hammers
Spear in general is very hammer reliant as flurry jab and exploding launcher are both very good power increases for Zag Spear