i did a substantial portion of going up to 20 heat with em4 to get practise in and just get used to it but that was over a year ago so understandably i died
#h1-high-heat-strategies
tropic stream
gaunt fiber
There's a heat chart in the pinned message. I would say the best strategy is to get used to both forced overtime and tight deadline
However it can be a lot if you only want a single win and be done with it
Hera is really boon dependant since it's a cast aspect. Try to avoid CF, AP and RI
hoary pasture
tropic stream
yeah that stuff i got
i meant more specifically in terms of boons and gods
i've done other 32 heat runs its just theres a lot of cast options and idk what would work best
eternal hare
crush shot is the core so you'll want to scale that as much as possible
a few poms, chaos boons, and quick reload or hyper sprint+rush delivery from hermes goes a long way
cast items from the well also help a lot so hourglass is a good take if you're happy with your build by the time you reach elysium, but if you're feeling unsafe you can take defensive keepsakes too
artemis and demeter are probably the two supporting gods you'd like to see most on hera
ideally you'd pick up good attack hammers and grab artemis attack to help supplement your cast damage, and maybe a few supporting crit boons
snow burst and ravenous will from demeter also go a long way
hardy garden
alternatively if everything goes wrong except getting a good attack and hammers you can have bootleg zag bow
tropic stream
okay how do i play flurry well
any like general tips on it
everything else seems good enough
hoary pasture
Don't try to hold your attack button and load your casts at the same time
eternal hare
yeah don't hold your attack and just mindlessly load all your casts
load however you mean to and then be deliberate about where you shoot
for bosses though you can hold down your attack and mindlessly load all your casts
tropic stream
ty
pure lily
Yes
timber pike
https://youtu.be/U54tsxRckuM
where'd you find this clip of me playing (except I didn't die 3 times, I only died once)
pure lily
That was pretty good
honest kernel
im something of a speed runner myself 
.99 secs left on killing the minotaur and his lover
pseudo kernel
i just want one good zag shield run
the game hit me with a 4 sack and no free room elysium
timber pike
So in advance after I finish my 20 heat run, what’s good pacts for up to 24 heat
Or maybe I should just ask for increasing from 24-32
flat flicker
So in advance after I finish my 20 heat run, what’s good pacts for up to 24 heat
Check the progression guide in high heat channel or work towards stuff that you can’t do yet on nyaa ya as pact
proud stream
whats the easiest heat things for 10 heat?
hardy garden
like em2 + mm + bp1 + td2 ig
proud stream
ok cool thanks
pure lily
When you get your high DPS build finished and you don't roll patty
in styx, after I beat one tunnel, which room number should I kill myself on to get DD health
aka when could the sack land, is it room five? die on room 4?
cursive portal
I usually lower myself intentionally in room 2 so I don't get screwed over by having to make tiny rats kill me
Takes too long
hardy garden
messing up is kinda so i do it in room 2 unless its rats and just try to not take damage in 3 lol
hardy garden
i hope theres a cleaver lol
bronze rapids
just deal with having less than ideal HP ez
pure lily
damn
my heart is beating out of my chest rn
So I'm on my PR run, didn't get patty as you know, and no Athena. Hit a 3 sack with lots of time left. Enter fight. Forgot I was on em4
panicked, made it to phase 3 (this is my 1st em4 attempt), got my confidence back, died with like 3 hits left on boss.
feels bad
and that's my story for the night
bronze rapids
rip
pure lily
empty reef
im not the only one who had a very frustrating end of a run tonight ^^
pure lily
patty why have you forsaken me
bronze rapids
the most dangerous part of EM4 is forgetting that you picked it
hardy garden
no patty - basically the high heat experience
bronze rapids
Or sacked out of patty
mossy zinc
For what?
@empty reef just do what you did here but with HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC DC2 TD3. Heartbreak Strike start. Shouldn't be too much of a problem. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/939743720583090297/Hades_83.png
pure lily
What attacks from Hades can you not block?
That fight I described above I barely remember due to nerves. I was using shield and was facing him directly and blocking when I died. Something struck me from behind but not sure what
hardy garden
you can block any of them if youre facing in the right direction and far enough away
hardy garden
if hes right up to you then the skull casts can go through your shield. spins wont go through if youre facing him but his movement can bring him into a blind spot
pure lily
I think a skull is what hit me
Then
I thought I saw something red fly at me but I was blocking straight on, too close maybe
Ugh
bronze rapids
there are quite a few dad moves that can go through the shield block if you're point blank
bronze rapids
Yeah blocks can be wack with dad
Also skull explosion shockwaves sometimes are invisible
mossy zinc
When in doubt, just let go of block and bull-rush.
cursive portal
Me on charged shot
raw cloud
are there any builds that work particularly well with higher heats (32, in my case)
mossy zinc
Me on charged shot<:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
Just let go of block anyway. 
next acorn
same builds that work at zero are good at 32
dapper schooner
but can you get those builds at 50 
hoary pasture
You can with AP1 RI0
cursive portal
Based
dapper schooner
em4 bad
mossy zinc
Just don't lose to either.
hoary pasture
It’s easy if you win
cursive portal
Idk man as someone who loses to base dad I
empty reef
<@!421791703628775426> just do what you did here but with HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC ...
Thanks dude, i will try that! But i think i'll need training for TD3. I may need to optimize my rooms choices, my placements etc.. Yesterday when i made my first 32 heat run i had 1:15~ left for dad fight (i dont remember if it was a 3 or 4 sacks tho) so thats very close ^^. But with some training and the help of the discord i'm sure i will do it :D. I made the run with that pact : HL2 LC2 CF2 JS3 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO1 DC2 TD2
hoary pasture
You will struggle with TD if you run JS
It's common sense
Remove JS and higher your TD and you'll be fine
DC2 is aspect reliant aswell
I would try to learn LC4 + SD at this point
Free heat
empty reef
yeah exactly. I copied the pact from a Haelian video without making modifications ^^
well i'll use Rama
so DC2 is ok i think
mossy zinc
Call me a dude again and we'll settle it in the courtyard.
empty reef
Oh lol i'm sorry for that !
hoary pasture
yeah exactly. I copied the pact from a Haelian video without making modification...
You can check the pinned messages here for better pacts, Haelian is mostly memeing with Hades atm so you'll see a lot of unoptimal choices and such
Or his guide to the pact
empty reef
well it was the pact he was using for a 32 heats rama thats why i used it ^^
mossy zinc
You can check the pinned messages here for better pacts, Haelian is mostly memei...
Meming? How are you talking about the max obols WR holder?
@empty reef you don't need training for TD3.
Your times are more than good enough.
empty reef
Im discovering the pact because before that 32 heat run i never did higher than 12 lol. Dad just needed 1 or 2 more hits (no joke) to die ^^
okay
mossy zinc
Like MiKe said, your issue was just taking JS3.
If you can make it to dad with JS3 TD3 and still have over a minute, you won't have any trouble with JS0 TD3.
empty reef
yeah you're right
thanks for the tips 🙂
i'll make more tries in the afternoon
was also thinking to record my run(s) so i can share them and you can help me find my mistakes
mossy zinc
I think you're usually better off watching the run yourself to look for mistakes.
empty reef
well you all have more experience than me. I may see some of them but maybe not all
but i understand what you mean 🙂
mossy zinc
That's not really what's important. What's important is more that you identify mistakes yourself.
Like it'll help develop your tactical thinking and awareness.
empty reef
that's true
rough spade
I recently fought redacted with the thing that gives bosses extra abilities
hoary pasture
ashen garnet
Hopefully it's not 3 DDs
mossy zinc
Don't evade the swear filter though.
clever otter
evading the swear filter just means the mods will delete your message instead of the bot 😅
pure lily
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/931909617859059762/unk...
No cast
Teach me this power
Almost 3 min left
hoary pasture
gotta be a casual gamer to learn this power
pure lily
Gotta step up my rookie status
Is dio on beo with passion flair and snow burst good
Felt like the DoTs were nice and easy to keep lots of debuffs for the bonus %
hoary pasture
He has a good call
pure lily
How important is the attack when you're cast based
quartz mantle
Useful for extra damage cause you're attacking pretty often anyways
it's supplemental damage
But can help for certain things
like proccing PS if you're running it, opening Mark for Arty attack, Doom is solid damage, hell even zeus attack with jolted isn't terrible if you're running DC
flat flicker
Is dio on beo with passion flair and snow burst good
the duos that opens are pretty mids (Low tolerance only really good if u can reliably get lots of hangover stacks, which dio call will never benefit from, and beo isnt set up to stack hangovers) but the call by itself is super stronk and bad influence is way more based than people give it credit for
but more importantly you have passion flare and snow burst
you have the core of the build
just like
practicing with that core is more important
quartz mantle
Bad influence is pretty nutty if you have a good way to spread hangover
flat flicker
dio call and dash around so its 1 stack on everyone 
quartz mantle
Global damage is big
mossy zinc
How important is the attack when you're cast based
Pretty much anything on Attack is fine unless you have Charged Shot, then you really want a % Attack.
And in any case, you wouldn't want Tempest Strike, that'll push enemies out of your Cast AOE.
pure lily
Pretty much anything on Attack is fine unless you have Charged Shot, then you re...
Got pain stakingly close last might with beo last night doing passion flair and snow burst. Are there any duo boons I should shoot for? Also, I had a very lucky run where I got Athena and Demter naturally in tartarus. With aphro keepsake. If that were to happen again, what fourth god should I force?
mossy zinc
Probably just Lady Athena for Divine Dash and DDs because that's comfy.
But you don't need to worry about the 4th god that much.
jaunty falcon
Artemis probably the best one
mossy zinc
No Duo Boons in particular you should aim for, but you should just be aware of possibilities.
jaunty falcon
Fully loaded 🤑
mossy zinc
Yeah, or you could just go for something practical instead.
quartz mantle
Arty attack -> Mark is really solid for cast builds
giving your casts the ability to crit is kinda huge
Beo doesn't need any duos unless you're doing Mirage Shot stuff with flood flare
mossy zinc
Most boon choices are pretty much gonna be: is this gonna help a lot by itself? If yes, take it. If no, is it gonna pollute my pom pool? If yes, avoid it.
mossy zinc
Premium Vintage good. Strong Drink good because it's not pommable. Dionysus' Aid good.
flat flicker
premium vintage
if u get it early and get 60 health and two poms off the random tart nectar
mossy zinc
Positive Outlook is actually pretty nice, too.
I mean just by itself you're getting at least +20 HP and a pom.
jaunty falcon
Dio attack stonks
flat flicker
true. im referring to how i feel like a genius when i take it then another nectar shows up
jaunty falcon
Beo 50 heat wr
mossy zinc
Nice thing about Drunken Strike is that while it's pommable, Drunken Strike poms are also never bad. So you're adding something to your pom pool, but it has good pom scaling.
That's something you really wanna look for that when you add anything to your pom pool, it should at least be really good on its own and worth it but ideally should have excellent pom scaling itself.
mossy zinc
Sure, Drunken Strike is actually pretty good.
mossy zinc
Privileged Status.
pure lily
Yeah that
Cause you're applying weak already, or at least I am
So if I dont get snow burst, I need something else
shy plinth
Priv status is usually not optimal
Fam fave starts giving you damage boosts instantly the second you take your first boon and you don't have to hunt for debuffs for your build to do damage
left prism
Passion flare + snow burst priv stat is great
shy plinth
If you can get that going it is indeed big damage
But also if you have that with fam fave you're still dealing big damage
hardy garden
when you dont get snow burst https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/911129383203405854/unknown.png
shy plinth
Wasn't even close
hardy garden
bronze skin carry
hardy garden
mossy zinc
But also if you have that with fam fave you're still dealing big damage
But less damage. Privileged Status gud.
shy plinth
When's the last time you did a priv status run
hoary pasture
beefy damage
shy plinth
That is some large damage
mossy zinc
beefy damage
Nope. Vegan run.
shy plinth
Why do you own a hydralite
hoary pasture
timber pike
yeah
hoary pasture
probably the random thingy
shy plinth
Ah yes
timber pike
0% hydralite
hoary pasture
the best kind
mossy zinc
Can you really say it's there if it doesn't do anything?
shy plinth
Yes
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
probably the random thingy
Omg how did you solve it, you're so smart.
hoary pasture
ikr
mossy zinc
Casual gamers built different.
hoary pasture
Indeed
cursive portal
only real gamers here 😎
pure lily
Passion flare + snow burst priv stat is great
Good DPS. Also if you're struggling like me on high heat, the slow down on bosses is very nice
cursive portal
when you dont get snow burst <:bouldy:523329116934635534> https://media.discord...
lv5 bronze skin
AP2 RI1 beo
(says man whos first 55 beo was RI3 EM3 AP2 )
raw cloud
how is dc2 on beowulf
pure lily
55 beo with em 3
cursive portal
with heroic athena attack replace lv5
pure lily
cursive portal
my first 57 zag shield was EM3 smile
cursive portal
hoary pasture
This was before the EM4 arc
cursive portal
yeah lol
pure lily
Oh
cursive portal
Now Angel doesnt play with EM3 anymore
well Ive already maxed out on EM3 on 5/6 weapons
just my fists on 55
raw cloud
i might switch to eris instead of beo for 32
idk its a safe bet since im pretty good with eris
and its fast
cursive portal
yeah eris is a very decent option too
left prism
Eris comfy
raw cloud
at least for my first 32 i think eris might be better
hoary pasture
They can both shred it
raw cloud
beo can block though so thats smth
not sure how i want to set up the pact for beo
pure lily
I did beo and eris for my 32 each weapon
mossy zinc
Just use Zag Sword.
pure lily
honest kernel
i think any ranged special spamming wep is a nice way to beat 32 heat as a noob
hoary pasture
So beowulf
honest kernel
flurry shots with bow is a bait
hoary pasture
Yea most people think it's bad when it's actually great
mossy zinc
i think any ranged special spamming wep is a nice way to beat 32 heat as a noob
Yeah exactly. Like Zag Sword with Piercing Wave.
honest kernel
cursive portal
made a 50+ heat aspect tier list based on my experience
(not biased)
and yes hades spear is that bad I swear
pure lily
Zag shield better than Zeus?
cursive portal
zeus has a big problem with the timer, the build is more RNG heavy, more resistant to DC but less so to CP or JS3
pure lily
I see
hardy garden
when no jolted
eternal hare
imagine putting rama below S tier
cursive portal
imagine putting rama below S tier
high A tier
pure lily
What is the third S
pure lily
Damn I'm bad with hestia
hardy garden
putting chaos where it belongs
eternal hare
imagine putting rama below S tier
lucid wave
i refuse to believe gilga is that low
hardy garden
cursive portal
gilgamesh is horrible
hoary pasture
Hades spear pretty gud if you can have ME and Epic RD
eternal hare
seems pretty biased to me
hardy garden
speeder teleporty chariots
eternal hare
uhh
pure lily
Interesting that rama and zag bow the same tho
eternal hare
maybe you're just bad
cursive portal
pure lily
timber pike
ok my pact of punishment is HL1 LC4 EM3 BP2 TD3 DC2 CF1 UC MM is that fine?
cursive portal
zag bow is a weird one, since unmodded its pretty horrible
timber pike
also should I take stubborn defiance
pseudo kernel
i refuse to believe gilga is that low
you can pretend
pure lily
I see
lucid wave
you can pretend
i will 
cursive portal
so many good hammer options
lucid wave
i like how gilga plays but i can't deny it is pretty bad
honest kernel
Hades spear pretty gud if you can have ME and Epic RD
whats rd?
cursive portal
rush delivery
cursive portal
also should I take stubborn defiance
definitely
cursive portal
they're both great at that range
hardy garden
also should I take stubborn defiance
well you have lc4
cursive portal
zeus still has a lot of build options with AP1 RI0 45 heat for example
timber pike
k I'm taking it
cursive portal
especially if you take low CF
timber pike
let's see how this goes
cursive portal
beo is a cast weapon and can get mirage shot/passion flare strat going very easily
honest kernel
how much dmg does RD add? do you need the dash -> sprint boon to make it work?
cursive portal
you just need hyper sprint/greater haste/plume
hardy garden
just anything giving movement speed
cursive portal
its 50%-100% based on rarity
hardy garden
though ofc hypersprint gives the most
pure lily
you just need hyper sprint/greater haste/plume
Plume when? Aspho?
mossy zinc
Gilgamesh is good. +50% global damage is a nice buff.
cursive portal
since its bugged and is 50% global damage
hoary pasture
ME
cursive portal
I think its Ykc that did all specials with zeus 50 heat
athena/doom specials are good for ME stuff
hangover isnt that bad
mossy zinc
Zeus kinda does work with all of them.
pure lily
Zeus + zeus kinda the meta tho?
cursive portal
yes
pure lily
ME always good if you can pull it off
mossy zinc
If you're not heavily limited by pacts, you can get decent builds with any of them.
cursive portal
great thing about doom special ME is that it doesnt need athena dash to work well
mossy zinc
Like Heartbreak Flourish can go into Heart Rend, Smair, etc. Curse of Pain into ME. Divine Flourish into ME and Deadly Reversal. Drunken Flourish into Low Tolerance. Etc.
pure lily
Athena on attack then? Or special
pure lily
Nice
mossy zinc
Frost Flourish into er... Killing Freeze.
mossy zinc
It would actually be decent if you could pom it.
hoary pasture
Doom Special has nice scaling
pure lily
I have an epic passion flare seed saved and been trying to do 42+ heat but struggling. Might mix it up to zeus if I keep failing
ashen garnet
Zagsword hater
pure lily
Zag bad
timber pike
first ever 32 attempt: died to td3
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843166936686002176/939976892730187776/534...
Is that modded/seeded or unseeded unmodded?
ashen garnet
just unbelievably weak
Still feels better than zagfists
cursive portal
mostly modded/seeded
cursive portal
Still feels better than zagfists
drunken strike big comf tho
mossy zinc
Yeah, I'd think the Aspect of Charged Skewer would be quite a bit lower without Charged Skewer.
cursive portal
mossy zinc
S tier for quick resets, though.
cursive portal
Im mostly biased towards unmodded gy since literally my first attempt at doing 50 with it unmodded got ch1 skewer
then arti vorimed me
and I got epic pos special which was amazing actually
shoals too
mossy zinc
I got +3 dashes first try, I think, with Rama at 52. So Rama is definitely S tier.
cursive portal
(not biased)
🔫
pure lily
first ever 32 attempt: died to td3
Not bad, good you stayed alive TD3 is worth keeping. Means you need more DPS
mossy zinc
Good to see my shield of choice nerfed from S tier to S tier and Haelian's shield of choice nerfed from S to A.
Thanks, Amir.
hoary pasture
Hestia gets more screwed by rooms than Rama does imo
mossy zinc
It's funny that because Charged Flight was so broken we didn't even notice the other ways in which Beowulf was broken.
cursive portal
Hestia gets more screwed by rooms than Rama does imo
have you tried not getting DC fellas
+piercing fire can make ely free
or hazard
timber pike
Not bad, good you stayed alive TD3 is worth keeping. Means you need more DPS
it was when I was almost out of tartarus so I didn't have too many boons
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/908881776712241172/unknown.png first time doing rama unmodded
hoary pasture
pog
hardy garden
first hammer too
timber pike
and this is why I'm never taking approval process again (outside of the time I did it once for the prophecy)
mossy zinc
Like if you'd compact your list...
Good: Beowulf, Zag Shield, Hestia, Rama, Zeus, Chaos, Zag Bow
Mid: Nemesis, Eris, Guan Yu, Demeter, Lucifer, Zag Spear, Poseidon, Chiron, Zag Rail, Excalibur
Bad: Talos, Zag Fists, Hades, Achilles, Gilgamesh, Zag Sword, Hera
timber pike
you are doing 50 heat so you had basically no choice though
hardy garden
not like relentless is much better there
mossy zinc
Repulse Shot carries.
pure lily
cursive portal
Repulse Shot carries.
its true
(this is by far the most cursed 55 run ever completed)
timber pike
so I have both gods I need for eris (artemis special, zeus attack). Should I bring lucky tooth in asphodel or something else?
hoary pasture
Poseidon / Athena for dash
timber pike
ah yes sounds good
jaunty falcon
Idk man
timber pike
So I kill myself in asphodel lava to heal? I'm at 42/130
quartz mantle
No
timber pike
ok
quartz mantle
130* 0.3 is 39
hoary pasture
You only do that if you gain hp
timber pike
alright
quartz mantle
you will lose 3 health
cursive portal
You only do that if you gain hp
quartz mantle
I wouldn't worry about using SD to heal unless it's pretty obvious you're below 30%
timber pike
ok
pseudo kernel
astaos moment
hardy garden
51 > 55
timber pike
bro
I just made the dumbest mistake just now
not even going to say what it was just gonna keep going
timber pike
biggest adjustment for me is lasting consequences 4 and stubborn defiance
I often rely on my dds for the hades fight, so I'm interested in seeing how fast it takes me to beat 32 heat while only having 2 chances
empty reef
yeah acorn is worth it i agree, at start i was like "pff, remove 5 hits, thats useless", but in high heats 5 hits is a tons of damages ^^
hardy garden
yeah like 5 hl5 spins is 400 damage
without patty youre lucky to be going in with 100 + 100 hp
empty reef
yeah exactly ^^
timber pike
i feel like i have way less health overall.
mossy zinc
i feel like i have way less health overall.
That's because you have way less health overall.
You know how to get DDs from Lady Athena when using SD, right?
timber pike
That's because you have way less health overall.
oh yeah I should prioritize that
the dds
hardy garden
if youve used your sd in that chamber youll get a dd
timber pike
ok
mossy zinc
Touch of Styx isn't a DD. It makes your SDs and DDs heal for more. So yeah, you just buy them.
mossy zinc
For Last Stand and Deathless Stand from Lady Athena, you first need a core boon from her that's not her Call. Once you have that and you see a boon from her, you should use your SD in the chamber before picking up the boon.
Also when you're below SD threshold and there's a Centaur Heart, you should use your SD to heal back to the threshold before picking up the Centaur Heart.
hardy garden
if you dont get offered her dd boons and dont have rerolls to spare then you should prioritize filling your core slots and grabbing exposed
small nova
hoary pasture
I’m taking notes too
small nova
I've never been a fan of SD because too low hp but this make me want to try
mossy zinc
if you dont get offered her dd boons and dont have rerolls to spare then you sho...
Don't really agree with that tbh. I'd rather take boons that help right there if she doesn't offer DDs.
Like Sure Footing is always good.
Call good, of course.
timber pike
On my way to elysium
hardy garden
sure footing time loss
timber pike
so I still take acorn and not lucky tooth right?
gaunt fiber
Actually big true
empty reef
versus dad yes
hardy garden
if you feel like regular ely rooms will kill you can take tooth
hoary pasture
mossy zinc
Sure Footing saves a lot of time by not throwing your run to EM4 urns.
hardy garden
usually acorn for champs tho
small nova
timber pike
mm this is kinda a tough one
mossy zinc
I'd take Lucky Tooth in Elysium if your HP is really low and you don't have a DD yet.
hardy garden
earring if you feel like youre gunna time out
empty reef
i wish their was a boon that make you resist poison
timber pike
I have no dds yeah
hoary pasture
Spearpoint
mossy zinc
That can help make sure you get more HP and maybe carry you to Patroclus.
What's your max HP now?
timber pike
I have 69/230 hp
hoary pasture
Nice keep it that way
mossy zinc
Acorn.
timber pike
ok
mossy zinc
Will help keep your HP at 69.
empty reef
do you use chtonic vitality or dark regeneration in high heats?
hoary pasture
Doesn’t matter
hardy garden
doesnt matter
mossy zinc
Lol
empty reef
xD
hoary pasture
Both don’t work
hardy garden
but cthonic vitality in general unless im farming darkness
empty reef
okay
mossy zinc
LC2 EM4 with Chthonic Vitality is comfy when you want to do EM4 pacts at higher heats.
Like 30–40.
hardy garden
idk id prolly just lower hl and pray for patty then get ignored
timber pike
patt time
cursive portal
timber pike
got that touch of styx magic
small nova
Is it worth to get Dionysus fountain boon when using lc
timber pike
no
hoary pasture
Doesnt work
small nova
timber pike
alright I'm doing thesus/asterius
small nova
Good luck 
timber pike
I'll probably die here but we'll see if I can pull through
flat flicker
The 5 percent damage per biome is not the worst but it’s almost never worth picking over something better. Premium vintage is based it doesn’t take poms
flat flicker
I'll probably die here but we'll see if I can pull through
just kill them first you have 69 hp you’re fine
small nova
LC4 = 0 healing
So there's no way to heal? 
hoary pasture
SD is the way you heal when you take LC4
flat flicker
So there's no way to heal? <:shadeembarassed:520448365809500175>
Stubborn defiance tactical suicide
high heat players often visit the asphodel hot tubs
small nova
small nova
Does cthonic vitality still work in lc4
flat flicker
Nope
timber pike
I was so close but I died. they were both in their second phases
flat flicker
Only stubborn defiance and max health items
flat flicker
I was so close but I died. they were both in their second phases <:bouldy:523329...
run it back you’re close
small nova
Omg
flat flicker
I mean it’s 32 heat territory it’s supposed to be hard
left prism
From what i remember
GY/cursed slash/draining cutter still work
flat flicker
and you get used to it like in practice it means your boss fights gotta get clean
timber pike
i think I did good considering it's like my 5th try
flat flicker
lernie with HS is a ballache
flat flicker
i think I did good considering it's like my 5th try
I agree, now run it back
Keep up the positive momentum
timber pike
and you get used to it like in practice it means your boss fights gotta get clea...
yeah I tend to take a lot of damage at thesus/asterius and dad. even lernie I sometimes mess up (but not die to him usually)
flat flicker
yeah tooth or acorn in ely is a good idea while learning EM3
I prefer tooth because asterius usually kills me solo before I get to champions
timber pike
I only did like 1 or 2 runs with em3 so far so it makes sense I died here
pure lily
When doing high heat, is it worth fighting Asterius as mini boss?
Like time saves for his health to be less, vs the time of the fight
flat flicker
When doing high heat, is it worth fighting Asterius as mini boss?
I mean, if you can avoid it…
left prism
Just get B.ball
flat flicker
No, you will def lose time to Asterius. B ball you should be able to beat before he summons 2 souls
warm dagger
Isn't Asterius as a mini boss random?
flat flicker
Yeah, he tends to be in chamber 30 (be mindful of pre endshop chaos which will raise the count)
left prism
50/5p beetween b.ball and asterius ye
flat flicker
so if it’s a late miniboss probably the easy ass ball
left prism
Yeah, he tends to be in chamber 30 (be mindful of pre endshop chaos which will r...
Thats a thing?
flat flicker
yeah I saw it on speedcord like, no idea even when
If I’m wrong, nyanaya will do her thing, a possibility I am prepared for
pure lily
I mean, if you can avoid it…
He'll have less health in heroes fight if you fight him and sometimes mini bosses are shorter than regular rooms
Which is what in curious about
flat flicker
He'll have less health in heroes fight if you fight him and sometimes mini bosse...
Yeah, the less health doesn’t mean too much
I think it’s 20 percent which maybe means you can phase him if you use Meg and blast him hard w beo or something? Idk
I’ll basically always choose not-Asterius given the option
small nova
Wait wait backtrack you can not choose Asterius miniboss?
left prism
They just skip mini boss ig
left prism
erebus
small nova
But isn't that random 50/50 ball/Asterius
flat flicker
Wait wait backtrack <:bouldy:523329116934635534> you can *not* choose Asterius m...
Like if it’s a miniboss room and a non miniboss room, I’ll take the non
cause I’m a coward
left prism
I take a late mini boss cause some 33-34 can take forever
warm dagger
You can indeed choose a second room if it is available..... I don't know if you automatically get the other mini boss if you do though. Like the mini boss will always happen.
flat flicker
I take a late mini boss cause some 33-34 can take forever
Yeah the past 30 rule has held true thus far
hardy garden
even if its asterius its usually a time save
flat flicker
but I use mods now cause I’m lazy and don’t wanna reset for hammers
flat flicker
even if its asterius its usually a time save
yeah you don’t need to finish the run cause you’re in 26 pieces
left prism
I mean its beo, just block
flat flicker
Oh I missed this being beo
yeah then just block
and try not to die
and do you know how to Meg them both every time
left prism
Walk up>summon>profit
warm dagger
Up on the stick right after the monologue and you should hit them both.
small nova
Monologue 
warm dagger
I have Battie at lvl5.... Can I ever use it against Dades?
flat flicker
Yeah sooner or later
warm dagger
Word.... I'll check the wiki.
small nova
I once accidentally used Meg in a small rat chamber in Styx, it was my last one
flat flicker
Happened to all of us
warm dagger
Yeah you have to forge some Bands then you can summon against Hades.
flat flicker
I can’t do cast aspects on handheld anymore cause I switch cast to L1 and waste so many megs lol
warm dagger
I don't think I can ever play on a regular controller again since I got the 8Bitdo Pro2.
left prism
I have summon on X so never had that problem lol (switch layout)
warm dagger
Button on the back are a godsend.
hardy garden
i just have summon on reloads default bind
honest kernel
for me the minotaur and his lover are kinda harder or just as hard as dad with em3
flat flicker
I prob could give my left pointer finger a job
flat flicker
for me the minotaur and his lover are kinda harder or just as hard as dad with e...
Yeah em3 harder than regular dad sometimes. Not always tho
Wait til you meet FO2
left prism
I press l3/r3 without reason too much so il probably waste them a lot lol
honest kernel
ok chariot boi on fo2 sounds absurd lel
flat flicker
L3 for reload on Eris but I will go paddle for hestia reload
hardy garden
asterius mostly
warm dagger
ok chariot boi on fo2 sounds absurd lel
Minotaur on FO2 the worst.
small nova
ok chariot boi on fo2 sounds absurd lel
It's the scariest thing
warm dagger
Spinny charge boi.
honest kernel
oh i guess you cant just run away from it anymore?
flat flicker
Yeah Minotaur way scarier lol he can start spinning with zero warning and make you dead
honest kernel
oof
small nova
Get 3 dashes from hermes maybe
hardy garden
less so the spin. moreso the rocket charge
warm dagger
Meh.... Dash through a column.
pseudo kernel
The charge is very deadly with em3 fo2 hl5
timber pike
back into elysium I go
honest kernel
the bull rush attack was hilarious because he kept running in a circle around me
didnt see that in my 16 heater
small nova
The charge is very deadly with em3 fo2 hl5
One shot basically 
pseudo kernel
The only thing scarier is em4 hl5 fo2 dad spear throw
warm dagger
I stay away from HL so I will just trust you.
left prism
The only thing scarier is em4 hl5 fo2 dad spear throw
Gotta learn the corner strats for em4
small nova
@cursive portal does HL5 + FO2 
warm dagger
Gotta learn the corner strats for em4
The top left and bottom right alcoves yeah? I know you dodge Cerberus there.
hardy garden
ri/ap pacts
cursive portal
bottom right and bottom left
left prism
@warm dagger this
honest kernel
where should i go after 32 heat? low heat fo2 practice? straight to 40+?
hardy garden
speaking of damue his videos went poof
left prism
Wait wut
pseudo kernel
Yeah they just disappeared
hardy garden
try the link
pseudo kernel
Doesn't work
small nova
where should i go after 32 heat? low heat fo2 practice? straight to 40+?
I have been doing fo2 practice lately, collecting gems and darkness in the meantime, until I feel ready for higher heats
timber pike
of course the athena room is a miniboss room. I bet it's asterius. that's a death sentence. skip
pseudo kernel
Checked his channel and there's nothing there
warm dagger
where should i go after 32 heat? low heat fo2 practice? straight to 40+?
6x32 is a good place to start.
timber pike
look at sea storm and mirage shot being my options when I don't need either. guess I can sell either for uc
the other option is flood shot btw
left prism
Beo? Or eris
timber pike
eris
left prism
If you have tidal dash flood/mirage then
hardy garden
yeah mirage p gud sell
timber pike
k I'll get one to sell
hardy garden
tbh youd be fine selling both if so
timber pike
no this is elysium pre thesus/asterius
left prism
Do you have breaking wave?
timber pike
no
i only have poseidon's call
and I got lightning rod too. assuming I actually get past thesus/asterius this time I have a lot of potential cash to take into styx
AND mirage shot?
left prism
R O D carries
timber pike
welp I died
pure lily
Is jolted better on FO because enemies attack more frequently?
timber pike
I know. i was just taking it for the sake of potentially selling them both
hardy garden
yep
left prism
Specially gun cause no stun
empty reef
damn, also died to the heroes in my 32 heat run, but because of the time :(. I didnt have a single room where time is paused during the run 😦
half heart
And then jolted is working constantly
empty reef
i guess i'll need some luck for my first clear ^^'
empty reef
me?
half heart
yes
empty reef
i play Rama, TD3 yes
half heart
You may want to use charion rooms and chaos rooms just to skip fight
empty reef
luck wasnt with me on that run, got my duo lately, some bad boons to sell etc..
yeah not a single chaos room..
half heart
Apart from that - you can try to not use heat for more enemies
empty reef
well no JS on that run, i was able to handle the fights without lot of problems tbh
left prism
You may want to use charion rooms and chaos rooms just to skip fight
Charion?
hardy garden
chair man ron
eternal hare
rama is perfectly fine and I don't see any reason to change the aspect if you are feeling comfortable with it
half heart
I mean the guy who sells stuff
eternal hare
just keep up the attempts and you'll get the hang of it
left prism
Charon is gonna be slower than your average room probably
empty reef
well im not a bow player rest of the time, but i had a great feeling with that aspect
i rly love that one
hardy garden
think they just mean shops
eternal hare
also shouldn't really need duos at all
left prism
think they just mean shops
No thoughts head empty moment
empty reef
i was looking for the "nausea's" boon
hoary pasture
I wouldn’t aim for it but if it shows up sure
hardy garden
not that needed really
empty reef
okay
shy plinth
You can do special Rama with hangover if you want but it's typically a big chunky attack weapon
hardy garden
main thing you want really is double or triple shot
shy plinth
Curse of nausea means doom attack I guess? That could lead to timing out
empty reef
maybe i'll go for gods pride for my next try then
shy plinth
It's not that much damage
hardy garden
can just use vengeance
shy plinth
Yeah that would work too
hardy garden
yeah you want pride on rama
empty reef
yeah i was using dio special and ares attack
shy plinth
Rama likes big percentage based attacks and large damage
hardy garden
yeah ares attack not really a good strat
shy plinth
You usually want Artemis aph or Athena
empty reef
i got poseidon dash too, that helped me a lot, just had to rush to the enemies and they got destroyed
shy plinth
Tidal dash is a good boon but this build sounds kind of unfocused
Td3 needs consistent damage output
shy plinth
Nothing wrong with splash dashing, you want to get close anyway
Why dio?
It's fine, nothing wrong with it, but I doubt we keepsake it
empty reef
oh ok, what would you suggest as a special focused build then?
eternal hare
there are a lot of good specials that you don't really need to be forcing any specific one
hoary pasture
Zeus is pretty good if it gets going
hardy garden
you just pick dio, ares, or zeus special whichever shows up first
shy plinth
I think there's merit to Athena on special and dash
empty reef
okay, so what would be your first keepsake?
shy plinth
Artemis attack deadly reversal
Very safe
But probs just Artemis keepsake for attack
hardy garden
arty or aphro
empty reef
ok
hoary pasture
Aphro better overall if it has rarity
shy plinth
I strongly recommend watching Rama vods, I learned a lot watching Tailesque play rama
hoary pasture
And you’ll still be open to force Arty for dash in Aspho
pure lily
I strongly recommend watching Rama vods, I learned a lot watching Tailesque play...
Are there any vids that explain strat? I find when I watch videos I feel like I'm not fully absorbing what they're doing
Good people just make it look easy lol
"Don't get hit"
empty reef
I may try another weapon too. As i said im not specialy a bow player but i just rly loved rama
eternal hare
I had planned to do an overexplained video once but as you can see I never got around to doing it 😔
empty reef
^^
eternal hare
there is also a half-finished 50-heat rama guide that I wrote and haven't updated in a few months either
but it may still have some interesting information
empty reef
Would a zag fist merciful end build be interesting for a 32 heat clear?
Thanks @hardy garden 🙂
eternal hare
that's scalar's anyheat guide
it is mostly finished but not quite done yet
it also needs a little bit of updating as well
but everything in it should still apply perfectly well to 32-heat
empty reef
okay 🙂
hardy garden
well zag fists would prolly a bit harder than other aspects
empty reef
what fist aspect would you choose?
eternal hare
once you get ME though it is pretty smooth cruising
hoary pasture
Demeter fists are nice
hardy garden
dem is slightly better but its more of a fists problem being melee
empty reef
yeah ^^
hoary pasture
Give it a go
empty reef
i mean it can improve my "dodging skill" ^^
timber pike
back in elysium again
hoary pasture
My first 32 was Demeter fists ME
timber pike
I have kiss of styx for 20 encounters
empty reef
nice
well im gonna read the rama guide and make another run with it (or will try another weapon idk yet). but dont worry i'll come back to get more of your tips :p
ty all
honest kernel
I have kiss of styx for 20 encounters <:dusa:522248771409543188>
poggers
honest kernel
what fist aspect would you choose?
lvl 1 hades spear is decent
empty reef
i also have to get used to think about getting a boon to sell
timber pike
oh boy they're forcing me to fight asterius miniboss
empty reef
yeah thanks the rerolls :p
timber pike
ughhhhhhhhh
honest kernel
rip
hardy garden
cf0 means easy buying uc fodder
timber pike
eris rail
empty reef
ok :). i dont like the rail but i think its a good choice
timber pike
my problem is thesus/asterius mostly
honest kernel
9? those are rookie numbers
timber pike
i just started today
empty reef
you are in TD3 ?
timber pike
yeah
honest kernel
if i go to my pc later i can tally up how many attempts it took me
hardy garden
lvl 1 hades spear
timber pike
please do that sounds interesting
timber pike
lvl 1 hades spear <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
hades spear????
empty reef
lol
honest kernel
it'll be encouraging when you realize the number is like 30+
empty reef
damn
hardy garden
actually were all the attempts with hades spear
empty reef
if only yesterday i had time to hit dad one more time, i would have first tried it...
honest kernel
i was taking a bow break to clear my head
empty reef
would have been awesome
timber pike
my fave weapons are the bow and shield
honest kernel
first try would be god gamer level
honest kernel
like straight from 16 too?
empty reef
from 12 lol
honest kernel
pog
bronze rapids
That's a big jump
bronze rapids
I faceplanted from 20 but those were mostly AP2 joke runs
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/884914661970026496/bb758e57-64f3-4452-92cc-f3c8bd962a3a.png just get god rng
timber pike
well im far from beeing a god gamer, but yeah i almost did it..
I hope on my winning try I get clockets for the rail
empty reef
clockets? sry english isnt my main language, what does it mean?
timber pike
cluster bomb+rocket bomb hammers
empty reef
ah
not used to the rail so didnt know that ^^
thats what i said the other day, we learn everyday in hades :p
alr time to make a tea and going back to the guide
empty reef
(at 1am in France xd)
vanilla+caramel tea > all
sry not sure it is high heat strategies related Kappa
shy plinth
Sounds delicious though
empty reef
it is 😄
"Normally, attacking an enemy will cause Shared Suffering damage based on the full damage of your attack, regardless of how much health the enemy had - if your attack would deal 1000 damage and you attack a 30-health Numbskull, you will still splash 600 damage to every enemy affected by Shared Suffering. However, overkill does NOT work against armour - breaking the 50 armour of an Elite Numbskull will only splash 30 damage, regardless of how powerful your attack is" < Very intersting
raw cloud
is ME on eris any good for high heat
hardy garden
zeus attack and tidal dash is usually gunna be a lot better
its a lot more consistent and you dont need to be hugging things
pure lily
How is eris vs hesita for 40-45 heat
hardy garden
well hestia legit all you need is aphro attack or shackle and youre solid
hardy garden
hestia also is a lot safer than eris since you can stay a lot further away and dont have to hold down attack
pure lily
True
hardy garden
pure lily
520 health
hardy garden
also boonless moment
pure lily
How hard was that lol
hardy garden
well hazard + double chaos flourish made it a lot easier than most aspect on 32 heat lol
https://imgur.com/a/7AxkMyb hazard stonks
pure lily
I could try that for 43
Add RI since it doesn't really matter
Lol
Hazard bomb is clutch
pure lily
400% with shackle
hardy garden
well hazard is base damage
pure lily
Yeah I figured
hardy garden
so more like 600%
pure lily
Oh
hardy garden
or uh 800%*
jaunty falcon
Shackle with the special isn’t great
Instead of epic aphro attack it’s rare aphro special
hardy garden
and special also has better pomming
timber pike
Im out of Elysium with 1 Athena dd
So I take the acorn again and not tooth?
Yeah I’ll go with that
I WON
I beat 32 heat
empty reef
GG !
timber pike
I’ll post the screenshot
left prism
Nice
honest kernel
grats
timber pike
Thanks
Really wasn’t expecting to finish in my first day at 32 heat
I might consider going higher than 32 heat eventually
timber pike
https://tenor.com/view/do-it-just-do-it-ben-stiller-gif-4445206
What’s the level where it starts to become ridiculous?
pure lily
Really depends who you ask
I didn't think 32 was too hard
Oops
Once you hit 40+ you gotta start taking some really bad pacts
timber pike
I don’t think it’s that hard either, surprisingly
pure lily
I did 40 with rama in a like 5 attempts and have done like 15 going for 42 lol
timber pike
When I was early on hearing about 32 heat, I assumed I wouldn’t be good enough at playing to clear it. But I cleared it in 11 tries, and as soon as I made it to dad
pure lily
Em3 is a bigger barrier than dad
timber pike
So true I died multiple times to em3
pure lily
32 you have enough flexibility to to play around with the pact
At 40+ you have significantly fewer options to play around with
timber pike
So I’d have to take stuff like CF2 and AP?
pure lily
I've been taking ap1
timber pike
Ap1 is flexible. It’s ap2 where it starts getting ridiculous
pure lily
You kinda have to take FO1
timber pike
I’ve been playing with f01
pure lily
Ideally FO2
I'm basically deciding between F02 or EM4
FO2 I'm struggling a lot with
Mostly on bosses, and killing fast
They zip away so fast I'm slowed down at killing
timber pike
Never tried em4.
timber pike
It’s painful?
pure lily
Hades is harder in every way lol
timber pike
If I take em4 and td3 I’m not winning there’s just no way
pure lily
It's hard and generally avoided unless doing shield or like, 50 heat
From what I understand
You should try it on a run for fun
With no TD
Just to see the differences
timber pike
I will
left prism
Also em4 snowballs really hard with other pacts
pure lily
100%
timber pike
Which ones?
pure lily
timber pike
Oh right
CP is cursed
I haven’t pushed hard labor higher than one
I’d rather take approval process than cp
pseudo kernel
What’s the level where it starts to become ridiculous?
For me it gets ridiculous at 45+ but I also have hundreds of hours in the game mostly in speedruns or high heat
timber pike
For me it gets ridiculous at 45+ but I also have hundreds of hours in the game m...
I’d stop before I was forced to take CP2 and AP2
Going up in heat I mean
pseudo kernel
That's like 55 heat
timber pike
Whoa
pseudo kernel
Depends on the aspect tho
proud stream
i really struggle with tight deadline, how can i make my runs faster?
proud stream
ok cool thank you
hardy garden
45+ heat kinda sus
pure lily
pure lily
Can we pin this video
next acorn
I did not know that was a thing
mossy zinc
'Tis not a thing.
Always 50/50 whether it's the Dire Soul Catcher or Asterius.
Chamber number has nothing to do with it.
Reason speedrunners skip the first miniboss is just simply to push back the miniboss and skip a normal encounter later in the biome that way.
hoary pasture
yeah I saw it on speedcord like, no idea even when
You said this like 2 weeks ago lol
mossy zinc
Because that saves time.
hoary pasture
Yea it’s like playing a 31 combat + 32 miniboss instead of 31 miniboss + 32 combat
Since the deeper you are in the biome the more enemies you need to finish rooms which slows you down
mossy zinc
but I use mods now cause I’m lazy and don’t wanna reset for hammers
lol
Speedrun modpack will always replace solo Asterius with the Dire Soul Catcher.
dapper schooner
Since the deeper you are in the biome the more enemies you need to finish rooms ...
except when you're punished with patty miniboss split
and then you regret not taking first miniboss
quartz mantle
Speedrun modpack will always replace solo Asterius with the Dire Soul Catcher.
Not if you change the settings to make the minibosses vanilla