Fiery presence is stronger initial damage
#h1-high-heat-strategies
thorny veldt
jaunty falcon
+75% attack/special damage to undamaged foes
thorny veldt
Like the first hit
Also it’s obviously useless if you’re doing the white heart heat thing
elfin rock
Sounds p good on Rama or Arthur
jaunty falcon
It still works with damage control
thorny veldt
Hmmm maybe
elfin rock
Arthur likes backstab dmg tho
wispy spruce
I don’t feel confident giving up 50 hp
jaunty falcon
Sounds p good on Rama or Arthur
Not really Rama since you will be specialling enemies anyway
thorny veldt
Yeah
jaunty falcon
And the special does no damage
thorny veldt
Cuz arthur can backstab enemies in front of you
elfin rock
Does special count
jaunty falcon
Cuz arthur can backstab enemies in front of you
I think it's only Athena cast that can do that, I might be mistaken
thorny veldt
I think it's only Athena cast that can do that, I might be mistaken
No I mean like
With the 3rd and sometimes second slash you can hit enemies behind you so even if an enemy is facing you you can backstab them
thorny veldt
It does I’m like
90% sure
Just as long as the direction you’re attacking and the direction the enemy is facing are the same or similar you get backstab
It’s just that almost all attacks don’t hit behind you
jaunty falcon
Just checked, according to cgull the third swing can backstab from the front
However if you're behind them it will might not backstab
thorny veldt
I’m confused lmao
But yeah I love arthur aspect
It reminds me of the greatsword from monster hunter in terms of play style and I really enjoy playing it
Especially fun getting those 3k+ crits
jaunty falcon
Critting for 3 damage because the enemy hasn't had their armor broken yet 
thorny veldt
Yeah 😔
thorny veldt
That’s the fun lol
You have to time your attacks and be careful not to leave yourself open
jaunty falcon
It's safe, you can get huge damage reduction with it
shy plinth
The damage makes up for the attack speed
jaunty falcon
Sure, you don't get as much dps as nemesis
thorny veldt
Yeah
wispy spruce
It does not
thorny veldt
It sucks for speedrunning
wispy spruce
The second I press attack I get obliterated
jaunty falcon
Special first
wispy spruce
And the special really doesn’t take away that much damage
eternal hare
GS in monster hunter: top tier speedrunning weapon 🙂 / arthur in hades: very much not top-tier 😦
jaunty falcon
Slows them down though
shy plinth
Arthur is one of my favorite aspects, very rarely do I take more than 15ish minutes for a clear
wispy spruce
In its very limited radius, yeah
thorny veldt
GS in monster hunter: top tier speedrunning weapon 🙂 / arthur in hades: very mu...
Yeah, imo arthur could use a buff in terms of dps, it sucks that it’s like “oh you get extra hp so it’s ok the weapon isn’t as great”
I still love it though
jaunty falcon
Arthur was probably the most troublesome aspect that I had to sub 10 on
shy plinth
It’s really not that bad
Just has severe limitations for speedrunning and heat ceiling
Can’t deal with dc at all
But for just clearing and pushing moderate heat it’s just as good as anything else
thorny veldt
Dc?
jaunty falcon
When the WR doesn't use any of the base weapon, you know it's not great
mossy zinc
I think it's only Athena cast that can do that, I might be mistaken
Excalibur's backstabs depend on the direction Zagreus and the enemies face, not the direction from which the attack comes. At the very least for the final swing. So if you're looking in the same direction as the enemy, your final swing will backstab even if they are behind you.
shy plinth
Damage control
jaunty falcon
Very strange Arthur tech that I will probably never apply in a real game 😂
wispy spruce
Though I’m honestly quite salty thanks to 32 heat. Maybe I’ll like it more once I’m done with this crap
shy plinth
thorny veldt
Excalibur's backstabs depend on the direction Zagreus and the enemies face, not ...
Yeah that’s what I was saying
shy plinth
This was my last arthur run but I’ve done quite a few of them
You can still go quite fast
thorny veldt
Just was ass at explaining it lol
shy plinth
Just takes practice
mossy zinc
Excalibur doesn't need a buff. The eHP you can get and the damage you have is good enough to do 32 Heat very easily compared to most other aspects tbh.
wispy spruce
Very easily?
mossy zinc
Yes, absolutely.
shy plinth
Yeah I generally agree
thorny veldt
Oh I always fish for heartrend when I’m going with Artemis attack on arthur
shy plinth
Heart rend is nice, as is DR
wispy spruce
No way
thorny veldt
Excalibur doesn't need a buff. The eHP you can get and the damage you have is go...
Just lackluster when it comes to speedrunning
mossy zinc
You can get enough eHP to pretty much just facetank HL5 Hades. You just want to avoid FO.
shy plinth
But if fo2 is on they run into my sweeps faster
jaunty falcon
And they get more jolted procs 
mossy zinc
Balancing Excalibur for speedruns or high heat will just make it even stronger for the content that like 99% of the players actually do.
shy plinth
C O L D F U S I O N
thorny veldt
Balancing Excalibur for speedruns or high heat will just make it even stronger f...
That’s fair
wispy spruce
I just don’t understand how these weapons apparently work differently for everyone else
jaunty falcon
Practice
jaunty falcon
Magnil as well
thorny veldt
Make sure do do greater reflex when playing arthur aspect, it’s too useful to have that movement mid combo to pass up
next wyvern
remind me to never fight hades near the edge with Beowulf charge shot
jaunty falcon
But prepared to watch a cast build
wispy spruce
If I have to practice any longer for the slightest noticeable difference im going to die of old age first
Nothing is changing
next wyvern
it go into poseidon place and stay there
mossy zinc
If you put Heartbreak Strike on Excalibur and stack HP, damage reduction, and dodge chance, you're pretty much set.
thorny veldt
If you put Heartbreak Strike on Excalibur and stack HP, damage reduction, and do...
True but personally I’m not a fan of damage reduction/ dodge builds
mossy zinc
Perhaps, but that's the aspect.
thorny veldt
Well it’s part of the aspect
jaunty falcon
I'm guessing thats a thunder dash start?
eternal hare
looks like heart rend
next wyvern
what a weirs looking ca
wispy spruce
How the hell is that doing so much damage???
next wyvern
call
next wyvern
How the hell is that doing so much damage???
my guess is Double edge
thorny veldt
Lol
eternal hare
hydraulic might, dad call, possibly some chaos boons in there too
thorny veldt
Oops
jaunty falcon
Yeah I couldn't watch the video
next wyvern
never used it
mossy zinc
I mean high DPS is not part of the aspect. You can try to make a high DPS build for Excalibur, but that's a bit like doing a Cast build on Nemesis or whatever.
shy plinth
It does big hits but slower attacks
I don’t think the dps is really too bad
A big part of learning arthur is managing dash strikes vs maintaining sword combo through dashes
Attack, dash, attack, dash, attack
The “dragging dash” so to speak
mossy zinc
The DPS is bad relative to what other aspects get.
thorny veldt
I mean high DPS is not part of the aspect. You can try to make a high DPS build ...
Idk I just enjoy playing it that way
shy plinth
Sure it’s not eris
next wyvern
you build Lucifer like Eris right?
jaunty falcon
Yep
hardy garden
well holding attack doesnt do anything does it
eternal hare
I thought people held attack on Arthur?
pseudo's dash strike tech isn't super mainstream especially not in here
hardy garden
if you already have the combo hit queued while dash striking youll get the combo
jaunty falcon
well holding attack doesnt do anything does it
It does, it's just super funky
mossy zinc
Sure it’s not eris
It's not just "not Eris". It's a contender for worst aspect for speedruns because of its low DPS.
jaunty falcon
You basically dash strike a lot more often
wispy spruce
At least I can comfort my misery with food now
hardy garden
arthur extends its combos while dash striking dont think holding attack doesnt much for it
mossy zinc
At least I can comfort my misery with food now
That will be 50 Obols.
thorny veldt
I tend to gravitate towards weapons or characters in games that I am confused initially on how to use or are tricky to use, I find it really fun to try and figure out how to optimize them when it’s not obvious, or in the case of Arthur how to deal damage while still avoiding attacks. I also really enjoy the rail for that reason, it takes more micro management it feels like. If I just want to have dumb fun I’ll play the bow (although hera aspect is a ton of fun and requires a little more technical skill and thought)
eternal hare
rama can def go fast, just not very popular in the anyheat scene like it is in higher heat
next wyvern
Heart rend Rama?
honest kernel
rama does the highest potential dmg with crits I guess but aphro atk is more consistent
thorny veldt
Also I really tend to go for damage over defensive abilities just because eventually I want to reach a point where I understand the game and am not getting hit much anyways
honest kernel
nah heart rend is bleh
next wyvern
dumb question
next wyvern
you pray for 5% for Aphro attack?
mossy zinc
Rama's benefit, among others, is that it's not as much slowed down by pacts like DC and JS as other aspects.
honest kernel
5%?
eternal hare
epic chance
shy plinth
rama can def go fast, just not very popular in the anyheat scene like it is in h...
Rama was the last weapon under 7 minutes I think
next wyvern
crit from artemis
shy plinth
It was either that or chaos
honest kernel
oh
jaunty falcon
Chaos I think
wispy spruce
That will be 50 Obols.
Charon, mate, that’s a scam and you know it
shy plinth
It was one of those two for sure, they were the last ones
eternal hare
yea but I have 2nd place 40-heat/any-heat now
jaunty falcon
Now it's Guan yu 😔
next wyvern
Athena duo with artemis?
eternal hare
so 🤷♂️
honest kernel
no I meant artemis crits can be cool but aphro is more consistent dmg
aphro doesnt crit
shy plinth
I haven’t looked at the sub 7 sheet in a while
eternal hare
it's still not a sub-7 LOL
just saying that my 40-heat time is also 2nd-place rama if it were to be submitted to anyheat
jaunty falcon
WR holder for a few hours then bopped by magnil
mossy zinc
yea but I have 2nd place 40-heat/any-heat now
Almost winning is not winning.
No cookies for you.
shy plinth
What
mossy zinc
No cake either.
thorny veldt
I honestly don’t care if Aphrodite attack is probably more consistent and better for arthur, I still go artemis attack for those juicy crits, it’s so fun lol
wispy spruce
yea but I have 2nd place 40-heat/any-heat now
What determines the ranking?
shy plinth
Wait hold on what’s wrong with cookies
jaunty falcon
What determines the ranking?
Clear time
solemn pulsar
speedruns
honest kernel
im talking about rama
eternal hare
honest kernel
2 many convos in this chat
solemn pulsar
hey toffel what are you up to this weekend
wispy spruce
Ouch. Speedrunning 40 heat…
honest kernel
gaming...
thorny veldt
I eventually wanna speedrun hades but for now I think I’ll just slowly build up heat and enjoy trying different builds out
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523766792963751936/830105952824852500/a...
ah i see. seems to queue up the attack immediately if theres a target instead of having to time it
mossy zinc
2 many convos in this chat
And the worst is all those white names, how do you tell them apart? 
Best to just treat them like they're all the same person.
eternal hare
well you'd still have the same issue if they were all yellow too
jaunty falcon
All of these non-hades players
mossy zinc
well you'd still have the same issue if they were all yellow too
No, you can tell apart yellow names.
eternal hare
hmm
wispy spruce
Best to just treat them like they're all the same person.
…
hardy garden
or well more of add a bit better auto targetting
shy plinth
I agree with Nyaanyaa Ocamlocaml
eternal hare
i wonder what white names look like if I go back to light mode discord
oh, black names now
idk what else I was expecting
mossy zinc
oh, black names now
No, you just went blind from all the white.
eternal hare
that too
solar maple
I would get other rolls but I like the green
mossy zinc
I like cinnamon rolls.
shy plinth
Mmm cinnamon rolls
shy gulch
just saying that my 40-heat time is also 2nd-place rama if it were to be submitt...
this is always so funny to me
honest kernel
boonless runners...
shy plinth
This reminds me that ocaml dodged my inquiries around not liking cookies
eternal hare
oh
shy gulch
caml when are you coming to any heat and getting rama sub630
shy plinth
Explain yourself
thorny veldt
And who does that
If you’re going for the no boons dialogue lol
shy gulch
boomer :(
shy plinth
D:
wispy spruce
I’m not too fond of sweet stuff either
eternal hare
caml when are you coming to any heat and getting rama sub630
after I crush magnil's 50-heat time and do my FF arc and claim cgull's routed bounty
shy plinth
That is a lot of stuff
shy gulch
bit of a backlog there
eternal hare
yep
jaunty falcon
Dang, it's like that smash Bros trailer now
eternal hare
stuck in Ri2 AP2 boon+rarity+hammer reset jail for a while
jaunty falcon
Everyone is here
shy plinth
You mean that nickelodeon brawl all-stars trailer
mossy zinc
RI2 AP2 speedruns are an odd way to avoid playing the game.
shy gulch
stuck in Ri2 AP2 boon+rarity+hammer reset jail for a while
this sounds like such pain caml
flat flicker
wispy spruce
Almost dead on Tartarus again
jaunty falcon
1.5hrs and I start to just switch aspects every run
"I think I'll do a Chiron run"
"never again"
flat flicker
Sometimes I wanna go fast, sometimes I wanna sweat, sometimes meme build, but can’t do more than like 4 before my hands are done lol
damn fo2
hardy garden
i like how 10 numbskulls instantly giving each other 5 shield is a thing
what do you do if youre using arthur lmao
jaunty falcon
Cry
eternal hare
hope you have a damaging dash before you get there
wispy spruce
Chiron is the only aspect that can get me to Elysium without extreme difficulty
But then it just falls flat
Cus Elysium is pain
flat flicker
what do you do if youre using arthur lmao
Hope you got splash dash
shy plinth
What heat do you normally run @wispy spruce
Is 32 a huge leap?
I don’t know what pact you’re running or what your mirror is at
flat flicker
can I interest you in a brochure from the first unified church of Eris
our lord Zeus goes brr
shy plinth
Eris is indeed Good(tm)
hardy garden
soooo
mossy zinc
No.
hardy garden
im doing 40 heat zeus/aphro rail. do i pick delta chamber or flurry fire
jaunty falcon
Delta
mossy zinc
Delta Chamber.
hardy garden
does flurry even make zeus proc more
jaunty falcon
No, less even
hardy garden
delta lets go
jaunty falcon
Because of internal cooldown
mossy zinc
Don't avoid the swear filter.
elfin rock
that pain when you jump into a room which is full of numbskulls with that one BP thing that means that they give each other DC hearts
static plover
@hardy garden please don't avoid the swear filter, it exists for a reason 
hardy garden
okey 👍
mossy zinc
that pain when you jump into a room which is full of numbskulls with that one BP...
Yeah, that's something that you just get better at dealing with tactically but also get better at strategizing for ahead of time.
Like one thing that you'll always hear emphasized when people struggle with Savior Numbskulls is Dash boons, for example.
Even if your Dash boon doesn't do good damage, it's an extra hit every time you dash that can clear those hearts.
elfin rock
the second tiem i bumped int othem i had divine dash and that did the trick
i think BP is quite high on the list for heat pacts to learn
mossy zinc
Kind of. I'd say at 32 you can just avoid most BP mechanics with a lot of aspects by just killing them so fast or staying well out of range.
Especially with FO0.
mossy zinc
With FO2, you can't really just stay out of range so easily, but DPS can still carry you through without having to really learn how to deal with them effectively or efficiently.
Well, aside from the "just kill them immediately" tactic.
elfin rock
i think the nice thing about FO2 is that if you have a zeus build, jolted is activated much more often
mossy zinc
One reason why Rama for example is so strong at high heat is that you can just dash around the enemies to spread your Special and then just find the easiest target for your Attack to hit all of them for massive damage.
elfin rock
rama is difficult with one dash tho
if you choose RI
unless greatest reflex i think it's called
jaunty falcon
RI3 😳
mossy zinc
Yes, because then you can't just do the "dash around enemies" etc.
Whereas Nemesis just puts you into the thick of things, or rather, you have to put yourself into the thick of things to even do any damage at all. So you have to really know enemy telegraphs and what to do about different BP2 enemies.
old oxide
right after I asked for 32 heat advice, first run after using LC4 and stubborn defiance
i beat it
shy plinth
Nice work 🙂
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 
elfin rock
yoo nice
old oxide
ty
elfin rock
ill do some work on BP2 over the weekend
im back at school now so i have much less time
elfin rock
lady aphrodite was sadly the last olympian i invited to the feast
mossy zinc
I wasn't talking to you.
Ah, I see Life Affirmation carried another high heat run to victory.
elfin rock
i know it was just on the subject of aphrodite
mossy zinc
If she accepted your invitation, there's nothing to be concerned about.
old oxide
i had 2 one for the special +146%
and epic life affirmation +42%
tbh exclusive access carried as well as mirage shot
i got 20% dodge chance +3 dashes and +40% movement
mossy zinc
Practice, practice, practice.
shy plinth
That combination is pretty brutal but yes it takes practice
mossy zinc
I think it's very obviously the opposite of good strategy to choose the tightest timer together with a pact that makes encounters so much longer, just in a general sense.
Unless you know for sure that you're so fast at clearing encounters that you can comfortably do that.
The same applies to Calisthenics Program and Damage Control.
bronze rapids
tried DC2 JS3 on Zeus shield and was cutting it close on TD2 lol
was fun to hit all of them with Dio call though
mossy zinc
I've done pacts with JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 before I've done sub 10, so you don't need to be able to do sub 10 or anything like that to do JS3 TD3. But luck alone isn't gonna get you through JS3 TD3, you need a certain level of build strategy and tactical expertise to be able to do that even just some of the time with some luck.
Part of the reason TD3 is recommended even for newer players when getting into high heat is that it lets you avoid things like JS CP and DC, which means that encounters are gonna be a lot easier, and you just need to have some general sense for what strong builds are and just a basic grasp of how to use your aspect to do good damage.
Like if you're somewhat competent at Dash-Strike Power Shots with the bow and know how to get a halfway decent build on it, you can beat TD3 at 32 Heat... maybe not if you get a 4-sack or a 5-sack, but the odds of that are pretty low, and so if that happens and you time out, you know you just gotta try again and will very likely get a 2-sack or 3-sack.
worn iron
Does Chiron bow special procs Zeus lightning with every hit or there's internal cooldown on that stuff?
jaunty falcon
It's still pretty solid if you get jolted and double strike
And splitting if you can
Also scales better with global damage than other special boons
flat flicker
but it isnt like, nine per press of button
worn iron
Im almost inclined to try hermes keepsake on TD3 run
mossy zinc
His keepsake doesn't give you DPS, which is the main factor for clearing speed.
Aside from getting free rooms.
worn iron
It gives some survivability at least
shy plinth
I'm surprised you don't go for more meta stuff, chosen
You're definitely going off the beaten path here and I get the appeal, but the standard recommendations have stood the test of time for a reason
mossy zinc
Stacking Dodge chance with the Lambent Plume is certainly a viable strategy.
worn iron
Cause im absolutely govno with meta weapons and i dont have them upgraded
jaunty falcon
And a better chance at RD
quartz mantle
I’m actually not a fan of using plume to get RD
RD does nothing while you only have plume
worn iron
Whats RD again
jaunty falcon
It's still a slightly better chance of seeing both
If you see hyper sprint first, take it
worn iron
Maybe i should try zeus shield
mossy zinc
There's no off-meta weapon at 32. There's a meta for all the aspects at 32.
shy plinth
Yeah I am almost entirely talking about the pact
quartz mantle
The game is balanced around 32 heat
Wait does he still have the wacky RI3 AP2 pact?
jaunty falcon
Well maybe because you're using RI3
worn iron
I change pact every 3 runs or so
jaunty falcon
Alright
shy plinth
It is pretty difficult to practice hitting a target that you keep moving
jaunty falcon
What have you been going for lately
worn iron
I dont even remember, but i got to the bull and got both game over and time out,
shy plinth
Have you started another run yet?
worn iron
Its 4.39 am here no runs until i get some sleep
shy plinth
You should screenshot your last pact or your next one
If you want to clear there are a lot of ways to go that can make it easier
amber jetty
You can srack dodge with zag fists and plume if that's the route you want
But I feel there's better more consistent options
shy plinth
There are lots of ways to build fists
You can make it work with hermes
Again it is just a question of pact and mirror options that might be making things tougher on you if you are focused on a clear as an end goal
worn iron
Worst part is bp and fo
shy plinth
You do not need FO for 32
worn iron
I cant go without them but they just ruin everything
mossy zinc
The pact I generally recommend as a starting point for new players trying their first 32 Heat uses FO0.
worn iron
No, but the alternatives are...
If im going for LC im not getting through bosses or killrooms, if im going for TD3 its game over in tartarus or elisium
shy plinth
You really need to post your pact, take advice, pick a config, and practice it
quiet mountain
game harder
shy plinth
It's not gonna just magically happen but constantly changing your restrictions is going to make it more difficult
mossy zinc
If im going for LC im not getting through bosses
Then practice the boss fights.
worn iron
Ironically enough boonless runs with shackles were most consistent options for the most part, i died purely because i forgot how to fight theseus
mossy zinc
There's no pact that's just gonna hand you the win. You're gonna have to improve.
shy plinth
You should not consider a run "consistent" if you're not clearing
Getting further without a win isn't the goal here
worn iron
Im on 50+ runs losestreak, its consistent enough for me
shy plinth
Did you consistently clear runs in the 20s or is this a big jump for you
amber jetty
Practicing some pacts that are hard for you helps a lot too
Like just lc4 fo1 bp1 or something
mossy zinc
My first 32 Heat took me like a full week.
Back when no one really had no clue what pacts to take and there was no meta for any aspect at high heat because only like 2-3 people had even done 40+ yet and barely anyone 32 with more than one aspect.
One of the main reasons players here have so much more success with 32 Heat so much faster now is that we've done all together like thousands of runs at 32 and higher and spent hours and hours and hours and hours discussing builds and pacts and strategies and sharing tactics...
Like anything that's meta now is meta because we really looked into what works best, and then new players started to want to do 32 Heat and asked for advice and we had to figure out what works best for players with less experience.
shy plinth
Yeah the communal knowledge has really made a big difference
My first 32 pact was garbo and I thought I'd never do it again, but thanks to practice, vods, and guidance from here, instead I did 32 on every aspect shortly after
mossy zinc
Because we noticed things like oh wait there are players who just get absolutely murdered if they turn on FO, while pretty much all of us high heat players at the time used to just full-time FO2.
hardy garden
i forgot you cant hug em4 dad and i died
mossy zinc
You can try, but you'll find he finds you... repelling. 
worn iron
I just need something that cheeses shields in elisium, those are the bane of me
mossy zinc
Did you know that Greatshields always spawn facing to the right of your screen?
Meaning the side that's vulnerable when they spawn is always the same.
shy plinth
Sounds like they Left themselves open
mossy zinc
Sounds like they Left themselves open
Right.
shy plinth
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite would be proud of us.
worn iron
No because as far as my aware they spawn mid wave attack animation at this point
shy plinth
You should post your pact 😦
mossy zinc
You sound a little traumatized.
worn iron
Hey its been 4 days of failing and nothing else
shy plinth
Maybe that's a sign that some help would make a difference?
worn iron
And at least 5 times i died from stuff that i couldnt even see
Its not like im not listening to your advices here
mossy zinc
What helps a lot with projectile attacks like that is to (1) try to always keep enemies to the left and right of your screen instead of top and bottom because you can see their attacks coming from there, but they will often come from off-screen if they're above or below you; and (2) do not ever dash straight up or straight down when you know there are enemies off-screen in that direction, move diagonally upwards instead.
worn iron
Stubborn + lc4 is a neat treak but i just dont work for me
mossy zinc
There are decent pacts without LC4 if it's not working for you. That's not a problem.
worn iron
None did and i know why - i either lack means to deal with bosses or killrooms
solemn pulsar
My trick for shields is to have really good boons
And a lot of hearts and stuff
I take AP0 so I can get better boons
shy plinth
If you post your pact, pick a config, and then practice, you will gain the means
solemn pulsar
And RI0 to get more boons and hearts
That is how I cheese shields
I just have so much damage it’s like they don’t exist
shy plinth
Having a build does indeed help
solemn pulsar
And so much health that they don’t hit me for very much
mossy zinc
They actually hit you for the same amount of damage no matter how much HP you have.
Crazy, I know.
solemn pulsar
I’m talking about the emotional pain
shy plinth
That is not true if you have bronze skin or different league
worn iron
Wait what is that a joke
mossy zinc
That is not true if you have bronze skin or different league
Those don't affect your HP.
worn iron
Plz tell me there isnt hp% damage
mossy zinc
There isn't.
shy plinth
No it's a flat number
mossy zinc
But the damage they do matters less if you have more HP.
worn iron
Thank gods, you just gave me wf flashbacks
solemn pulsar
You can get % healing
worn iron
Anyway
solemn pulsar
Does that scare you
mossy zinc
My very simple strategy for 51 Heat Rama was get very high damage that makes EM4 disappear before he can kill me.
solemn pulsar
Or is it only damage
mossy zinc
It also worked for everything else in the run. They disappeared before they could kill me. 
shy plinth
Why not do some lower heat clears and get bloods
flat flicker
What did you use on rama at 51
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Strike, Curse of Pain, and er... pretty sure I had Twin Shot? And... other things.
shy plinth
Curse of longing?
mossy zinc
Why not do some lower heat clears and get bloods
That sounds like a good plan. Can practice some things like TD3 or BP2 and also get some bounties.
mossy zinc
What did you use on rama at 51
shy plinth
Unshakeable mettle OP
mossy zinc
I like it a lot.
shy plinth
That's why we call you Unshakeable Nyaanyaa
mossy zinc
Err.. no, we don't.
shy plinth
That's true I did just make that up
mossy zinc
When Wriste13 asked me what I think of Unshakable Mettle, like 1 day after they added it and it didn't have the reduced boss damage yet, I said I think it's one of the best boons in the game.
Certainly for high heat.
worn iron
Im already commited myself to beatinh 32 heat. Either i do or uninstall the game.
Considering that im never uninstalling supergiant games, i may eventually get it.
shy plinth
You can get it later and grind bloods now
You seem really really committed to the idea that you have to get 32 heat right now the way you want to do it instead of... well, doing anything else
mossy zinc
I'd disagree with that now only because DPS is more important than boons for survivability because of TD3, but Unshakable Mettle is to tier for survivability.
shy plinth
I am confused by the rigidity
worn iron
I just need something to bash my head against, thats all. Nothing new to me either.
Figuratively
Not literally
mossy zinc
I think ChosenSewen just had a frustrating day but plans to get back to practice tomorrow and try to run with some of the advice they got after a good night's rest. At least, that's the impression m getting.
worn iron
Its that bridge samurai from Nioh 1 all over again.
Thats true, except the frustrating day part. It was kinda alright
shy plinth
As long as you're willing to lean into ways to make your experience better with help from smart people here, you'll get 32
mossy zinc
Well, you sound frustrated with your runs, I mean.
shy plinth
^
mossy zinc
As long as you're willing to lean into ways to make your experience better with ...
Who do you think are the smart people here? Name names.
flat flicker
you lol
worn iron
That is correct. Im just figuring out what im doing so wrong that i cant get past anything. Pacts are important and all but like, i cant dodge 90% of bull attacks, thats not build or pacts issue its like i dont know any attacks timings at this point.
mossy zinc
Maybe you don't know the timing of a lot of attacks. Before 32, you don't really have to tbh.
worn iron
I dont remember - i just came back from like a year+ long break, did a few runs, and saw that i didnt had 32 heat cleared
shy plinth
That is a hell of a way to crack off the rust
mossy zinc
But mostly Nyaanyaa Mewmew
flat flicker
hardy garden
hmmm maybe 40 heat is a bad idea
amber jetty
RI4 is really rough yeah, losing the second dash is really rough, and LC4 on RI4 is something else
shy plinth
Zero healing and DDs period and also EM4
Can't make a build either and everything is super lethal
solar maple
honestly the timer is a huge part
that and only being able to be hit like twice the whole run before you die
hardy garden
and being subject to the ultimate whims of rng
mossy zinc
what is the hardest bit about 64 heat?
The hardest bit about EM4 is having all the pacts on at the same time.
delicate pewter
Me: Sweet, let me come in here and get some tips for 32 Heat, I made it to the final boss on my second try but my past 3 attempts haven’t gone well.
Helpful guides: “Yeah uh, everything you’re doing is making it harder on yourself and the things that you’re afraid of turning on are actually easier than you fear. Why would you max FO and have EM4 anyways??
Me: Ah…. Crap…
solemn pulsar
if you're making it to the final boss or making good progress consistently then you can win on your setup, just need a few more things to go your way
but yeah there's usually a "cleaner"/"easier" setup than most people's first instincts
delicate pewter
if you're making it to the final boss or making good progress consistently then ...
Never said it was consistent XD
waxen relic
Well depends on in what state you get to em4
solemn pulsar
oh true if it's EM4 that statement doesn't quite apply
delicate pewter
It was funny, I was reading through the guides and I was like “Stubborn Defiance?! There’s no way I can make it through the final boss without using like 3 Death Defiances no matter how stacked I a-
Oh… no EM4? …. Huh…”
solemn pulsar
you can always just "cheat" with skelly tooth and athena DDs even with SDs 🧠
delicate pewter
Yeah when I read about the Athena DD trick on SD I was so confused, I tried it like 3 times before reading that I had to lose SD first before trying to get a DD
solemn pulsar
yeah it's very not straightforward, since it's just a bug that SGG decided to leave in
delicate pewter
Ah k, good to know I was wondering if they knew about it and chose to leave it
I had a very similar struggle with trying to get Guan Yu to the surface
solemn pulsar
guan yu before level 5 simply doesn't exist
delicate pewter
Then one day I thought “wait… what happens if I upgrade Guan Yu with Titan blood?”
Did it first try after that
solemn pulsar
hahaha yeah
mossy zinc
Guan Yu Lv.1 and Lv.5 are the same if you don't get hit.
delicate pewter
So sometimes you really just need to take a step back and rethink things, and that’s what I’m doing rn with Heat 32
mossy zinc
chaos gates 😮
Cosmic Egg!
solemn pulsar
in tartarus? why not eternal rose?
delicate pewter
Once I beat Heat 32, I’ll have every achievable challenge complete and all that would be left is just grinding out materials for the House Contractor and Resources Director
mossy zinc
But what about high heat WRs?
delicate pewter
(Unless there’s more… cause knowing this game there very well could be…)
solemn pulsar
or the record for Most
mossy zinc
There's the high heat leaderboard that's pinned in this channel.
delicate pewter
But what about high heat WRs?
Those would just be personal things, I’m talking about things the game actively puts a bounty out for you to do
Fated List, Achievements and now Skelly’s statues
solemn pulsar
there's a personal best time and heat on the victory screen at the end
mossy zinc
The game taunts you when you max your Heat gauge.
mossy zinc
Clearly that's the game telling you to do max Heat.
delicate pewter
could always get that to 00:00.00
Wrong warp discovered
solemn pulsar
well the taunt starts earlier than max though
delicate pewter
could always get that to 00:00.00
Charon finally gives you a lift up the Styx
mossy zinc
00:00.00 is you just stay at the House of Hades.
solemn pulsar
if only charon fight took place on a boat
and when you beat him you get out at the next shop
next wyvern
Nya which sword aspect is fastest in 32 if i just want to make it fast for the bonus dark?
nemesis?
next wyvern
i guess Aphro sepcial with artemis special for heart rend on it?
quartz mantle
and when you beat him you get out at the next shop
That would actually be a pretty cool way to make fighting Charon more viable with TD on
delicate pewter
I’m personally going with Twin fists | Zagreus Dodge build
quartz mantle
That kind of build is fun
delicate pewter
That would actually be a pretty cool way to make fighting Charon more viable wit...
Oh, does the timer not pause for the fight?
quartz mantle
i guess Aphro sepcial with artemis special for heart rend on it?
Yea either Aphro or arty on attack/special go for heart Rend
The 30% base crit on your attack means you can get away with Aphro attack
quartz mantle
Oh, does the timer not pause for the fight?
Nope
quartz mantle
It’s neat but often times I don’t have the spare time to fight him
delicate pewter
Is there any consistent way of getting Chaos’ +1 DD? Does the Egg help getting that?
I once had a run with 5 DD cause of that
mossy zinc
Cosmic Egg helps, yes.
quartz mantle
Keepsakes increase legendary/duo chance by 10% I believe
You can run legacy for an additional 10%
Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice also helps
quartz mantle
It might but I don’t the number for leg/duo chance
Also getting favor chaos boons help
mossy zinc
Nya which sword aspect is fastest in 32 if i just want to make it fast for the b...
Poseidon and Nemesis are the fastest sword aspects.
next wyvern
posei?
quartz mantle
Those are all 10% increased duo/leg chance
mossy zinc
The Cast called Merciful End.
solemn pulsar
yeah all keepsakes are +10% epic and +10% duo/legendary regardless of what the +rare chance is
jaunty falcon
Double strike seems to be a bit jank
hard gale
i saw a haelian video and double strike went crazy on rama
mossy zinc
Double Strike affects Jolted but only if you've purged High Voltage.
hard gale
boob 🗿
next wyvern
Double Strike affects Jolted but only if you've purged High Voltage. <:dusa:5222...
wait whut?
how does that work
flat flicker
so the jolted lightning can hit twice from double strike
but only if you dont have high voltage?
broken game?
elfin rock
yes hades has more bugs than people in this server !!
quartz mantle
I think she was joking
amber jetty
jokes are illegal
mossy zinc
I think she was joking
flat flicker
blah I blew a 32 Rama on time 😦
ripe ermine
Someone asked the other day if Curse of Drowning is good at high heat. It is not, I can now affirm from experience
Btw pro tip if you want a ton of natural Athena in Tartarus after Ares plan on a Curse of Drowning run. Easy Merciful End
One run had 5! Athenas in Tartarus and I had to be all “I don’t want you” and it hurt so much
shy plinth
I could see curse being okay if you already have a dope ME build
Also the real challenge run is Curse of Drowning Beo
ripe ermine
Oof I was doing Talos like a sucker
shy plinth
Talos seems appropriate considering it sucks the enemies towards you
ripe ermine
That was the thinking. I’m rusty with Talos and sucked things over just to hit me errr a lot.
pseudo kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/885974587324633158/Screenshot_451.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/659820450297282585/885974594144571442/Screenshot_452.png
bruh
got him to like 20% hp in the last phase
and then timed out and died
pseudo kernel
ill try that in my next run
mossy zinc
Good luck!
strange parrot
Anybody have good 45 heat pacts that don't involve fo2 or em4?
honest kernel
you can talke ap2 or ri2 instead I guess
strange parrot
How bad is JS3 and DC2?
ripe ermine
Yeah that can handle JS3 DC2
strange parrot
It's a lot easier than running fo2 for me
fo1 is nothing but that extra 20% makes a huge difference
honest kernel
fo2 hard ye
strange parrot
Nice
Whole run ended
cuz asterius' spin does 58 damage
Been doing the same seed for like 20 runs by now
And now I have to redo 40 heat fists and sword cuz something happened to my save
honest kernel
I have no idea
flat flicker
asterius scarier than Theseus
hardy garden
theseus is a joke
weak gyro
What hammer should I take for 23 Heat Zeus Shield Run? Sudden Rush, Charged Shot, or Minotaur Rush? I don't have a particular build in mind, but I started with Zeus keepsake
jaunty falcon
Charged shot
weak gyro
Should I do status effect like lightning special, or straight damage percentages?
jaunty falcon
Zeus special
And try to get stuff like jolted and double strike, and the legendary if you can
quartz mantle
Damage percentages on your attack, flat damages on your special
flat flicker
For Poseidon dash - typhoons fury or breaking wave
mossy zinc
Breaking Wave.
glacial gorge
js3 over fo2?
Basically choosing between making the reg chambers or the boss fights harder
next wyvern
Chthonic Vitality doesnt heal on LC4 right?
gaunt fiber
yeah
next wyvern
so that part of mirror is basically useless on lc4 eh
jaunty falcon
Yep
Basically (RI4)/3 without RI1-3
Actually that's a horrible way of explaining it
gaunt fiber
lmao
hard gale
lol
gaunt fiber
so that part of mirror is basically useless on lc4 eh
Yeah but it's far from being the worse, even though it feels bad at first
next wyvern
nah i already got used to LC4
even with like hl4
"Just dont get hit"
- me before dying to rats in styx
mossy zinc
Basically (RI4)/3 without RI1-3
Gonna use that when people ask about LC4 from now on. Thanks.
jaunty falcon
If only every mirror perk had the same weighting in terms of difficulty
narrow minnow
What’s LC?
jaunty falcon
Lasting consequences
undone tartan
What in the world is that 
hard gale
lol
undone tartan
It looked like a face kinda
But I see it
I’m trying to think if there’s any other aspects that I could do 40 heat with that wouldn’t be too hard. I’ve done (imo) the big 3: Rama, Beo, and Zeus.
waxen relic
Well, Hestia.
mossy zinc
Eris, Hestia.
Zag Shield, Chaos Aspect.
Zag Bow, Chiron, Hera.
Zag Rail, Lucifer.
waxen relic
Guan Yu.
mossy zinc
True.
undone tartan
Zag Shield 
mossy zinc
Achilles.
jaunty falcon
Zag shield is great fun
undone tartan
Personally I do not like it at all
waxen relic
Poseidon Aspect.
undone tartan
Now you guys are just naming most of the aspects
waxen relic
It's just 40 Heat .
jaunty falcon
Aspect of the goddess of Hera
undone tartan
Yeah every aspect can beat 40 heat
jaunty falcon
Every aspect can beat 50
undone tartan
But also, what is the point of naming every aspect
jaunty falcon
Some with greater difficulty than others
undone tartan
Exactly
undone tartan
Ok but first I have a question
waxen relic
But we didn't name fists and actual swords.
undone tartan
For Chaos, I know Charged shot is supposed to still be great but I always have a much harder time when I have it because it takes away my safe option for getting close to enemies for my shotgun special. Is this just me?
hard gale
mad typing
jaunty falcon
Just don't special lmao
undone tartan
But
jaunty falcon
Explosive return is pretty good
undone tartan
I’m probably gonna go Aphro special C1. And go for Zeus call and Aphro attack ideally
jaunty falcon
For actually playing chaos
undone tartan
Explosive return is pretty good
Yes indeed it is. And I’ll take that over any other hammer any day
Especially with Aphrodite special
waxen relic
You can still use special. but Charged Shot is worth more than a shotgun Special.
jaunty falcon
Explosive return + dashing flight
undone tartan
Explosive return + dashing flight <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Does that… do anything?
undone tartan
What does dashing flight even do
hard gale
bruh
hard gale
sounds mad op
undone tartan
Maybe I’ve underestimated dashing flight
hard gale
bruhhhh
jaunty falcon
No
undone tartan
Ok cool
Because I literally never take that hammer
And I was about to feel really stupid if it’s actually good
jaunty falcon
Yeah it's good in this specific scenario
undone tartan
Makes sense
undone tartan
I love that chaos special just gets backstabs from the exact front
undone tartan
Explosive return is always good on chaos shield
I always take it over any other hammer on Chaos
Oh it’s just because I’m really close
To Skelly
mossy zinc
Now you guys are just naming most of the aspects
I only named all the rails, shields, and bows.
undone tartan
Those are the good weapons
mossy zinc
You noticed.
undone tartan
I’ve been saying it lol
mossy zinc
You don't need to like Zag Shield to get Charged Shot.
undone tartan
Achilles is pretty decent though, but just because the ability is OP which kinda balances the spear’s terrible moveset
Also because FJ exists
Do I want DC on 40 heat Chaos shield? I feel like I probably don’t, right?
mossy zinc
Fiery Jesence?
undone tartan
Flurry Jab 
mossy zinc
Family Javorite?
jaunty falcon
Fury jummons
mossy zinc
Fury jummons
You win.
jaunty falcon
Flurry jlash
jaunty falcon
Yes sometimes on shield
I used it for beo 50
And on non-beowulf shield you can slide around to maintain a high speed
waxen relic
RR is always correct.
jaunty falcon
RR with no RR
undone tartan
I don’t want DC on Chaos right?
waxen relic
Depends
mossy zinc
Zag Fists, Eris, Excalibur...
undone tartan
RR is always correct. <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Ok Mirrorless Master 
jaunty falcon
If you take doom/hangover on attack it can be manageable
undone tartan
If you take doom/hangover on attack it can be manageable
I don’t plan on it
jaunty falcon
For chaos
undone tartan
I guess I’d take doom on attack if it was offered
jaunty falcon
Eh, percentage gods only matter if you have charged shot imo
undone tartan
I’m still gonna be attacking
jaunty falcon
Or maybe for opening up duos
So yeah I'd only take frost strike/heartbreak strike out of all the percentage gods
What am I saying, I'd take divine strike as well 😂
undone tartan
Either way, I’m not gonna use a keepsake to get doom on my attack. I’m starting with Heartbreak Flourish. I’d rather go for Athena (obv) or Zeus (call + maybe smoldering air) in Asphodel
And then Elysium and Styx is Acorn time
jaunty falcon
Heartbreak flourish struggles with scaling
undone tartan
You think I should take Deadly Flourish?
jaunty falcon
Jolted
undone tartan
There’s no way that’s correct
waxen relic
There's no need to shotgun.
undone tartan
Especially if I’m going for Explosive Return
jaunty falcon
Explosive return is really good with Zeus still
undone tartan
There's no need to shotgun.
What? Isn’t that… how you play Chaos shield?
undone tartan
Explosive return is really good with Zeus still
It is?? It’ll be doing 30 extra damage instead of like 80
Have I been playing this entire aspect wrong this whole time??
jaunty falcon
Spread jolted
undone tartan
Spread jolted
Wouldn’t doom be way better in that situation then?
waxen relic
You can, but it's unsafe and as you said doesn't mesh with Zeus or Ares on it.
jaunty falcon
Assuming level 1 epic special, you only lose about 60 damage per shotgun when you take Zeus special, and that assumes that all 5 shields hit
Which is hard
And doesn't take into account poms, jolted, double strike, global damage...
waxen relic
You can just use it normal and spread curses on many normal foes. Just need more boss damage then.
undone tartan
You can, but it's unsafe and as you said doesn't mesh with Zeus or Ares on it.
Yeah that’s why I went for Aphrodite
Idk this just doesn’t feel right
waxen relic
There's no wrong. It's 2 different styles.
jaunty falcon
You could also use tempest flourish, it's legitimately good
And you can get sea storm
undone tartan
There's no wrong. It's 2 different styles.
Yeah but chances are, one of them better
And realistically, it’s probably not the one I’m using
waxen relic
The one you use better is better.
jaunty falcon
Chaos shield is a relatively unexplored aspect after 1.0
undone tartan
Since I came up with it myself and rmacinty seems to have a lot more experience with the aspect
jaunty falcon
So who knows
undone tartan
I’m open to a new strategy if it’s better
waxen relic
And well in EA you couldn't shotgun so..
jaunty falcon
I did play about with a bunch of different special boons, but when I tried most of them, I didn't really know how to scale damage
So aphro special is a solid option that obviously opens up SA
Just might be unsafe
undone tartan
Without any boons, I’m doing around 100 damage per shotgun. With Heartbreak Flourish, that would be more like 200-250. That just feels so strong
waxen relic
how often can you shotgun?
undone tartan
Just might be unsafe
What makes it unsafe? Getting so close to the enemies?
jaunty falcon
Yep
undone tartan
how often can you shotgun?
On every boss, and most enemies
jaunty falcon
I'd personally choose tempest flourish come to think about it
waxen relic
no like per minute
undone tartan
no like per minute <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
Oh I have no idea man
waxen relic
you need to attack, bullrush, get in position, special, wait for the mainshield to return and then start at the beginning
undone tartan
Well the mainshield almost always comes back very fast, since it’s the least likely to miss the target
waxen relic
idk check some runs on the sheet
undone tartan
Ok I’m looking at a 53 heat run right now
They are shotgunning every single enemy
Their first boon is Drunken Strike (they started with Dio keepsake), second is Frost Flourish. Privileged Status. Kinda weird run
But the gameplay is more important than the boons
jaunty falcon
That's a pretty solid high heat build honestly
undone tartan
Now that I think about it, PStatus might be correct
Assuming I take a non-weak status effect on my attack
Like hangover, doom, or chill
waxen relic
Dio makes sense to shotgun yeah
jaunty falcon
Breaks DC easily
undone tartan
Ohh that’s why high heat runners seem love hangover so much
How did that not occur to me
undone tartan
Ok so I think I’m gonna go with Aphrodite special, PStatus, and look for a status effect on my attack
waxen relic
The Run is from Retrash though isn't it? Don't read too much into it, guy just wins with weird stuff most of the times.
waxen relic
There's a runner listed.
undone tartan
It says “Hadesprofessor”
waxen relic
Ah ok.
undone tartan
I’ll check out Retrash’s 52 heat run as well
I didn’t check the 56 heat one because Billibilli is a pain
mossy zinc
Does nobody else play like this?
I shotgun the Special depending on what I get on Special. But a lot of the time I get Charged Shot and mostly ignore the Special after that.
undone tartan
Retrash gets C1 drunken flourish (although they used coin purse and it’s unseeded, so they might have not been specifically looking for it)
undone tartan
I shotgun the Special depending on what I get on Special. But a lot of the time ...
What boon do you start with?
mossy zinc
undone tartan
On attack?
mossy zinc
Depends on what she's offering.
A lot of the time just whatever has the highest rarity.
undone tartan
I’d always go for C1 Heartbreak Flourish
I guess that makes sense
It’s great for attack and special
mossy zinc
Passion Dash start is great, too.
undone tartan
Really?
mossy zinc
Of course. Great pom scaling.
undone tartan
I always want divine dash
At this point I go for Divine Dash on every single aspect
mossy zinc
I used to play that way. But the Dashes are all pretty good now.
Bummer that Lady Demeter doesn't have one.
undone tartan
For a lower skill player, do you think it makes sense to go for Divine Dash on every 40 heat run?
Or do you think I’ll do better if I’m more open to not using it?
I’ll still often take Epic Tidal Dash on most weapons if it’s offered in Tartarus
mossy zinc
Well, I just recommended Passion Dash start.
Divine Dash is good because it's pick-and-forget. You'll want to know how to make the most of the others.
But you can't really learn that if you only take Divine Dash.
mossy zinc
Gotta pom it for the nice damage.
Upside over Tidal Dash is you can still dash through enemies to get behind them, things like that.
undone tartan
For sure
mossy zinc
And you apply Weak.
undone tartan
And you apply Weak.
Well I’m usually already doing that
mossy zinc
Can take other things on Attack and Special that combo well with Weak.
And chamber 1 Dash is always good for DC and Savior.
undone tartan
Does Family Favorite always round up no matter what? Will 4 hangover damage become 5 even with only one god?
mossy zinc
Nope.
solemn pulsar
Damage is only displayed in whole numbers
It’s calculated in decimals underneath
4 will become 4.2
undone tartan
But the enemies will be taking 4.2 damage even if it doesn’t display that
I didn’t know that
mossy zinc
First rule is to keep this secret knowledge secret.
solemn pulsar
Or maybe it won’t idk I’m not a doctor
mossy zinc
Doctors do know that, that is true.
undone tartan
Does Charger Skewer have a power shot? It kinda looks like it does
jaunty falcon
It does not
undone tartan
Does it do less damage if I hold it too long at full charge?
jaunty falcon
No
undone tartan
Apparently, if you kill a blue lernie mini-head as they start their slam attack, it will not only still hit but the hitbox will come out early. Or at least that’s what it looks like in this clip
Am I misunderstanding?
Because it looks like I killed the head which caused the hitbox to come out early for no reason
I would have avoided it had I known it would hit, and if it had come out at the correct time instead of instantaneously
Looking at it in slow motion, the head doesn’t appear to have even finished the windup, yet it immediately does the attack after it dies
Which is BS on multiple levels
It’s not like I actually expected to win the run. I’m not even upset about that
But that’s just so jank that it can do that
eternal hare
yeah the blue heads still have that lingering hitbox even if you kill them instantly
it's a little unfortunate
undone tartan
Not only did they still do the attack, but I could have sworn it came out too early
The head just barely starts to lift, I kill it, and instantly the hitbox comes out
That just doesn’t make any sense
worn iron
I died from something that looked exactly like that this week
So there IS some jank to Lernie fight
flat flicker
But that’s just so jank that it can do that
What level of FO was this
undone tartan
FO2
jaunty falcon
Should have done 51 heat smh
pseudo kernel
shut up
jaunty falcon
pseudo kernel
i dont wanna think about it
hard gale
undone tartan
I just beat 40 heat with Arthur. That’s my 4th 40 heat win ever, 2nd today