h1-high-heat-strategies

[eternal hare]

His other attacks are pretty long commitment and there will always be several attacks between darkness

So yeah soon after reappearing is pretty safe

[next wyvern]

phew i almost did it

32 heat quanyu was quite something

[flat flicker]

I always Meg while he’s charging his lazers

[next wyvern]

Maybe i should take FO on quanyu

[honest kernel]

always fo imo

so much heat

[undone tartan]

Ok EM4 is too hard

For me

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah it's really tough

[undone tartan]

No imo Guan Yu is the worst aspect in the game for FO. FO1 is fine at 32 with any other aspect but it actually makes Guan Yu much harder

[next wyvern]

maybe i shouldnt force using Butterfly

on quan

[honest kernel]

gy is fine lol?

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah I FO2 it in speedruns

[honest kernel]

if youre used to FO already theres no reason to take it off here

[next wyvern]

25 health at base is well

one slip up and dead

[honest kernel]

butterfly is garabge

force aphro or artemis

[undone tartan]

Removing FO made Guan Yu 32 possible for me

[honest kernel]

adding FO made GY possible for me 🤷‍♀️

also it should be 50 health unless youre using high confidence or lv1

which is not a good idea

[undone tartan]

I have trouble believing EM4 could be correct to take at any heat below like 50. I genuinely think that RI2 might be easier

[next wyvern]

i thought the way to use GY is Butterfly high confi?

with spam charge special

[undone tartan]

God no! Were you watching Haelian’s hitless run and thought that was optimal??

[honest kernel]

no

you want more health lol

and also get good boons

[undone tartan]

Butterfly is terrible and HC is also terrible (except for speedruns)

That’s crazy

[next wyvern]

hmm i see

[shy plinth]

Yeah that's a challenge run lol

[jaunty falcon]

Beowulf can maybe handle it at 45 or so, that can still leave you with a decent build

[undone tartan]

Wait did you actually watch Haelian’s hitless run and try that? Because like… I’m actually confused where you got that idea from

[next wyvern]

i think i watch it and keep using that to grind on spear to 20 heat

[undone tartan]

I’m gonna do like 10 EM4 FO2 practice runs in a row with Beowulf

That’s actually insane

[next wyvern]

worked fine to 20 but at 32 is quite hard for me

especially elysium and thesus

[undone tartan]

Yeah butterfly is never correct, even in a hitless run

[shy plinth]

25 health is ridiculously hard

[honest kernel]

also yeah ppl usually dont take em4 under 50 heat its an evil pact

but you can

[shy plinth]

And yeah butterfly means no boons

Boons good

[next wyvern]

I see i see

Makes sense

[honest kernel]

butterfly dmg is a joke

[undone tartan]

And high confidence on Guan Yu is actually suicidal

[next wyvern]

welp

[undone tartan]

I’m kinda in shock that you were using that. You’ll probably crush 32 heat once you take off those cement shoes

Good luck

[next wyvern]

well the last run with that i died on Thesus

because the game do not drop any more demeter boon

[honest kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-anime-naruto-take-off-weights-gif-12719553

[shy plinth]

Those early SDs restoring 8 health

[undone tartan]

LMAO

[shy plinth]

Gotta keep a spin ready

How did you even deal with witch rooms in tart

[next wyvern]

spacing?

[undone tartan]

Divine Dash?

Divine Dash is a good idea on Guan Yu

It’s not like you want a damaging dash

[next wyvern]

Ya

Did get divine dash in like mid elysium

[shy plinth]

...

[undone tartan]

Also, I hope you’re starting with Aphrodite special

[next wyvern]

Aphro special is better than Artemis?

then what after?

[undone tartan]

I’d definitely take Athena into Asphodel for Divine Dash and Death Defiances

[next wyvern]

zeus call spam?

ah

[honest kernel]

smoldering is nice but athena is rly safe

[next wyvern]

makes sense

[flat flicker]

Or big brain it with Athena call and smoldering

[next wyvern]

Oh nice already start with charge skewer

I dislike Athena call

[flat flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/sta-gif-4418352

[undone tartan]

Well it’s really good

[next wyvern]

kinda wasted imo

[undone tartan]

Use it when you’re about to get hit

[honest kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/827102968028463104/unknown.png

[next wyvern]

or i can athena dash

[flat flicker]

With smoldering and a few poms, you can be as reckless as you want lol

[undone tartan]

Like a counter in smash

[shy plinth]

I guess if you're used to not getting hit for 3 biomes

[next wyvern]

and have an actual call

[honest kernel]

yeah my main dps was def just aphro there

pom that special

[flat flicker]

Why use counters when you can be Zelda tho

[undone tartan]

It’s an extra catch-all. Why won’t you trust me that it’s good? You don’t have to use it, but it’s DEFINITELY not a waste

Athena call is really good

[next wyvern]

I did use it before on like ME build

[flat flicker]

And yeah, it won’t improve your DPS, but it’ll make you not die as much

[next wyvern]

to spam more of that

then again spam athena dash ina rhythm do tbe same thing

[undone tartan]

That’s not really necessary in ME, but I guess it can help. It’s just really good especially with Smoldering Air

[flat flicker]

Id rather Poseidon than Athena on smoldering, but I’ve never lost a smoldering Athena aid run

[undone tartan]

True, Poseidon is also amazing with Smoldering Air

[shy plinth]

Smoldering air is amazing

[next wyvern]

Tbh after a taste of Zeus call spams senanigans kinda hard to look back

[shy plinth]

As long as you're not rocking Artemis it doesn't matter what you have

[next wyvern]

makes twin fist a lot more bearable

[undone tartan]

Being able to go completely invincible every 5 seconds is super super strong

[jaunty falcon]

Dio call is great

[honest kernel]

I kinda wanna do a comfy gy run now I like the spin

[undone tartan]

It’s way harder to get hit when you have a panic button that gives over a second of i-frames and recharges every 5 seconds

[next wyvern]

isnt that just athena dash?

[undone tartan]

No

[next wyvern]

i mean i guess unless you want to facetank Hades lasers

[undone tartan]

That’s a limited resource, and it has way less I-frames and can require precise timing

Why do you not trust me a little bit here

[next wyvern]

finw

fine

[undone tartan]

I get hit all the time with Athena dash and I have tons and tons of practice. Athena call with Smoldering Air is absolutely insane. The only way you can really lose is on time tbh, unless you’re bad at Divine Dashing so you get hit when you’re not using the call. But apparently you’re a Divine Dash expert so that won’t be an issue

I’d rather have Athena’s Aid + Smoldering Air than two “divine protection”s

[flat flicker]

Which is also a great option

use your Star, drive into yoshi

except drive meaning stab and yoshi is dad

[gaunt fiber]

Athena's call is a dps buff

[hard gale]

is it?

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah, it supplements a build and allows you to dps when you should be dodging

[hard gale]

i see

not a direct buff

[gaunt fiber]

It's not the brightest on its own for sure

but it's awesome on Malphon for example

[eternal hare]

Athena aid is prob one of the highest damaging calls on rama for example specifically because it lets you get a full powershot when you otherwise wouldn't

[jaunty falcon]

Not being bonked by everything helps a ton

[eternal hare]

But also you can't do damage if you're dead

[honest kernel]

I timed out on heroes 😔

this is my fault for smoking cp

[undone tartan]

Twin Shot Rama, 131% Heartbreak Strike, Divine Dash, no other notable boons, chamber 27, 42 heat.

Do I want Point-Blank Shot or Chain Shot?

[eternal hare]

Pb

[honest kernel]

always pb

[undone tartan]

Alright

[eternal hare]

Chain is ok but you have a clear better option here

[undone tartan]

Im just worried because I’m not sure if I want to get that close to bosses but I’ll trust you

How close do I actually have to be btw?

[eternal hare]

There's a visual indicator

Be within that range

[undone tartan]

Oh that’s huge

[eternal hare]

You'll still do fine damage even if you're out of that window since your epic heartbreak strike on twin is plenty of juice

[undone tartan]

I didn’t realize I had so much space with that

[ripe ermine]

It’s like most of the Twin Shot range

[eternal hare]

But yeah you're super chunky on damage now

[undone tartan]

It is indeed

Also I have 314 health. This run is looking really good so far

[eternal hare]

Yeah you've prob got it in the bag

[flat flicker]

based

[undone tartan]

I’ve never beaten 42 heat before though, so I could choke for sure

If I see Patroclus, then I’ll feel safe. But until then, I’m on edge

[flat flicker]

take a deep breath

you got this

[undone tartan]

And there he is

Now I just need a 2-sack

That way I have ToSD for Hades

[next wyvern]

tbh i like power shot more

than point blank

less damage yes but i prefer still having some distance

[undone tartan]

Well I didn’t get offered Perfect Shot lol

[eternal hare]

Perfect shot definitely comfier yeah

[undone tartan]

Omg epic Frost Flourish? Yesss please especially because I have rare swift flourish

[eternal hare]

It's also the same damage bonus if you're powershotting so not like it's really less damage

[undone tartan]

Yeah for sure

Sorry for asking another question for advice about my run but since I have +141% on my heartbreak strike already, would I rather sell epic sweet surrender or epic Bronze Skin? Those are definitely my two best options. I’m thinking that the 20% extra just isn’t all that much when I’ve already got 141% extra

[eternal hare]

More damage is damage. Do you feel like you need the bronze skin to win?

[sand temple]

the damage is better if you are worried about the deadline

otherwise the bronze skin will probably increase your chance of winning more

[eternal hare]

I think they're both fairly inconsequential given the state of your build

[undone tartan]

Yeah fair enough, thanks

[gaunt fiber]

It's very possible that bronze skin won't allow you to tank one more hit

20% is 20%

bronze skin is potentially nothing

oh and sweet surrender works with summon so you could have that too

[undone tartan]

Well I did kinda have 400+ health and ToSD and an extra DD so it would definitely allow me to tank more than 1 hit but also I totally didn’t need it with all that health. Looking back on it, it literally didn’t matter and I don’t know why I thought about it for so long lmao

My build was so good that I could literally have face-tanked Hades

I honestly kinda did, I played that fight so sloppy

I keep saying I’m gonna practice EM4 and I literally never do

[gaunt fiber]

Mood

[next acorn]

mood indeed

[weak gyro]

Bullying Hades with 100% dodge chance is fun

[undone tartan]

I’ve usually used Fiery Presence on Arthur but I just realized that might not be correct. Do you suggest Fiery or Shadow for Arthur aspect?

[shy plinth]

I don't really switch off of shadow

[left prism]

Even for things like rail?

[undone tartan]

Wait why are you using Fiery for rail?

[hardy garden]

it affects special right?

[left prism]

Special doesnt backstab

[undone tartan]

It does with Rocket Bomb lol

But yeah I mean I guess it might be slightly better?

Doubt it matter though

I definitely use Fiery for Hestia, Beowulf, and Guan Yu

[left prism]

You have a clip of that? Never saw it backstab even with rocket

[undone tartan]

Really? Oh maybe I’m wrong then

I’ll believe you

[shy plinth]

I just stay on shadow because bosses exist

[undone tartan]

Yeah but Beo is way way better with Fiery

Same with Hestia imo, but definitely Beowulf

Like I’m 100% sure Fiery is better for Beo

[shy plinth]

Sure, I would be surprised if it mattered a ton but it is def better for beo

[undone tartan]

Not only can you hit for an extra 75-200 when you bull rush, but it also lets you one-shot enemies like unarmored witches and wranglers with dash strikes

[ripe ermine]

I think either is fine with Arthur. I like teeing up a fiery swing 3 for a spawning baddie, but backstabs are also good. That’s why Shadow Slash is like one of the few good hammers for it.

[glacial gorge]

Back to back 5 sacks

Anyone have the chances of that happening?

[ripe ermine]

Ooof. Whenever you say “5-sack” three times in the dark it’ll show up

[undone tartan]

I do not, but it’s definitely less than 5%. I’m sure the people on the speedrun server would know lol

[solemn pulsar]

a 5 sack is prolly <3% chance

so 2 in a row would be 0.09% chance, or about 1/10,000

assuming a 3% chance

[undone tartan]

That’s crazy

Wait I got 2 in a row like a week ago lol

[quartz mantle]

Fiery rocket bomb with Eris buff one shots every Tartarus enemy

Backstab bonus on attack does literally nothing

[undone tartan]

I mean fair enough. But that’s just Eris

[quartz mantle]

Sure but you get nothing out of backstab

Most of your damage is coming from special and jolted

Neither of which can backstab

[undone tartan]

With Eris

I’m saying that with Spread Fire Zag rail, or any Lucifer build, you want Shadow for sure

[quartz mantle]

Luci is even more reliant on special

Well I guess that’s for if you get triple bomb but you pretty much always want triple bomb

[undone tartan]

Yeah but the odds that you get the first hit of special on an enemy to be the explosion is pretty low

[quartz mantle]

It’s more than 0

Which is the amount you’ll be getting from backstab

[undone tartan]

Yeah but you can ramp up your attack for backstabs

[undone tartan]

That’s not true

[quartz mantle]

Man if you’re shooting long enough for backstab to matter you’re like taking a ton of hits where it matters

I guess backstab can matter for luci but idk fiery just always seems like the option for rail

[undone tartan]

For bosses? You can just dash to avoid attacks for a lot of bosses

Especially with Divine Dash

[quartz mantle]

You want percent increase bonuses on attacks with a high base damage

[undone tartan]

Fiery is 100% wrong for Spread Fire Zag rail

[quartz mantle]

Hm idk

[undone tartan]

1000%

[quartz mantle]

It helps with room clear

[undone tartan]

I’ve done a lot of speedruns with SF Zag

The backstabs matter a lot with Artemis attack

[quartz mantle]

Also that’s like one specific hammer build with one specific aspect

[undone tartan]

It makes a way way bigger difference than Fiery would

[quartz mantle]

You can’t use that as a baseline for rails in general

[undone tartan]

Yeah but imo that’s the only reason to use Zag rail

[quartz mantle]

Because pretty much every other rail wants to use fiery

[undone tartan]

I definitely don’t think it’s correct for Lucifer but we can agree to disagree

What I’m saying is that 2/4 aspects prefer Shadow

[quartz mantle]

Your attack with the highest base damage is your special

You want your percent increases on your special

[undone tartan]

But your special with Lucifer will almost never hit the explosion as your first damage to an enemy

[quartz mantle]

Your special cannot backstab

[undone tartan]

I really just think you’re wrong on this one but whatever

[quartz mantle]

That’s wonderful I don’t know why I care

I should go to bed

[undone tartan]

I’m just saying there’s no reason to argue about it

[solemn pulsar]

Special can’t backstab

Nothing Lucifer has can backstab

[undone tartan]

Attack can’t backstab?

[solemn pulsar]

No

It’s a beam

Goes pew

[undone tartan]

What

[shy gulch]

i believe it can backstab actually

[undone tartan]

I’m getting backstabs on Skelly with it rn

[shy gulch]

im pretty sure bright proved me wrong when i said it couldnt in like 2 seconds

[undone tartan]

As we speak

[shy gulch]

yeah

[solemn pulsar]

Wat

Stupid laser

[shy gulch]

lucifer beam can backstab

stupid bird

[solemn pulsar]

How can a beam stab

[undone tartan]

Yeah it’s definitely backstabbing

[shy gulch]

dont ask me man

[solemn pulsar]

Can beam bow backstab

[undone tartan]

Beam bow? Wym

[shy gulch]

beam bow isnt real mr bird man

[solemn pulsar]

I dreamed it

[undone tartan]

Lmao

But, since beam can backstab, I’m curious what you think cgull. Would you run Shadow or Fiery for Lucifer?

[shy gulch]

tbh i dont think it matters a whole lot

[undone tartan]

I mean fair

Does anyone ever get hit by pests? I feel like, even with speeder and cloner, I like never get hit by them lol (btw this is not a flex, I’m just pointing out that pests are kinda pointless)

[solemn pulsar]

I don’t run shadow on any rails

[undone tartan]

I just died to Tiny Vermin

Why does he deal so much damage

I was missing my hunting blades

Had everything else, including 5x divine dashes, and Mirage Shot (and flurry jab with epic Artemis attack). But no Hunting Blades

So in conclusion, it was my fault

Can’t really blame boon luck when I had such a goated build

[solar maple]

beam bow can backstab but I wouldn't recommend it

it's a fiery weapon through and through

[cursive ridge]

i want to do a 32 heat rama run what build should i go for?

[undone tartan]

Personally, I go for Aphrodite attack first and foremost. Divine dash and extra DDs from Athena should be your next priority. Zeus is great on special or call, and opens you up for Smoldering Air (which is an incredibly strong boon). Demeter, Ares, and Dio are all pretty decent to have on special. Twin Shot is absolutely incredible, so is Triple Shot. Point Blank and Perfect Shot are also great, and depending on your special, Relentless Volley can be very strong as well. Still, put most of your focus on maxing attack damage because that’s your primary source of damage. I’m no Rama expert, but that’s what I usually go for

[hard gale]

arthur with fo was not a good idea

[undone tartan]

As for pacts, damage control is probably safe to take but it’s not usually worth it at 32 heat

Arthur can handle FO1 imo

[hard gale]

literally lost all my dds to the heroes em3

[undone tartan]

Guan Yu… definitely struggles with FO

[hard gale]

and then died in styx

sad life

[undone tartan]

Wait what heat?

[hard gale]

16

[undone tartan]

Ah ok

[hard gale]

elysium is so balls

[undone tartan]

I was gonna ask why DDs

[hard gale]

things keep TPing

[undone tartan]

Elysium is kinda rough

[hard gale]

with BP

[undone tartan]

Better than Speeder though

[hard gale]

💀 💀

[undone tartan]

Speeder is the worst benefit for sure

Then bruiser

Speeder bruiser can literally kill good runs

[hard gale]

i hate bruiser on those things on the barge

soul stones or whatever

literally refuse to die

[undone tartan]

No that’s a different one

[hard gale]

the cyan crustal

what is it called

[undone tartan]

Idk

Bruiser is the extra damage

[hard gale]

are you sure?

i thought it was extra hp

[undone tartan]

I think so?

[hard gale]

time to check

[undone tartan]

Ok

[hard gale]

Bruiser (helm) - The enemy has greatly increased health and size.

yup

[undone tartan]

Oh

[hard gale]

Slugger (sword) - The enemy deals more damage, like the Hard Labor punishment. (Stacks with other pacts of punishment).

[undone tartan]

Well I stand corrected

Oh slugger

[hard gale]

slugger is damage

[undone tartan]

Rightttt

How much extra damage is it btw?

[hard gale]

im not sure

[undone tartan]

And how much faster are enemies with speeder?

Oh ok fair enough

[hard gale]

i dont think it says

it just says

[undone tartan]

Yeah I know

[hard gale]

more damage

lol

[undone tartan]

But someone out there must know

[hard gale]

crunching them numbers

[shy plinth]

They are approximately faster

[solar maple]

50%? I think

I can check the code I guess

[hard gale]

50%???

no way

[solar maple]

yeah it's 50%

[hard gale]

balls

[solar maple]

some attacks have caps on how fast they can go though

so not all attacks will be the full 50% faster

sluggers do double damage

[hard gale]

damn

[undone tartan]

Uhh I just tried a few 45 heat runs with Rama… it literally feels borderline impossible

[jaunty falcon]

What have you changed about your pact?

[undone tartan]

I put on AP1 and JS3

Well actually I went from JS2 to JS3, since my last Rama win was 42

Is this the point where I would want to be running on Hell mode for PL?

[jaunty falcon]

Might want to consider HS at 45

[jaunty falcon]

No

[undone tartan]

Yeah… I know…

But HS is so intimidating

I already almost die to Lernie most runs

[jaunty falcon]

Fair

Might want to prioritize Athena for sure footing maybe

[undone tartan]

I think I’m probably just not ready for heat this high

[hard gale]

HS is so 💀

[undone tartan]

How does SF work with HS?

[hard gale]

SF?

[undone tartan]

400% is just so over-the-top

[jaunty falcon]

It doesn't become +310% trap damage, so it's still really good

[undone tartan]

Ok good

[jaunty falcon]

I guess it's multiplicative then

[undone tartan]

I think 42/43 might be my limit for now

Maybe I’ll actually need to learn EM4

[hard gale]

wait ur not doing em4 at 42?

[undone tartan]

I never realized the difference between 40 and 45 was so significant

[undone tartan]

No

[hard gale]

😎

[jaunty falcon]

Not at all, you had ~250 hp remaining

And 2.5 mins left

[undone tartan]

That is true. And I played really badly for that fight too. If it had been more close I would have played better

[undone tartan]

Bad mentality, I know

But like it just is so much harder

Do you think it’s really time to learn EM4? Or is EM4 at 45 heat still kinda early and I’m probably better off with other pacts

[jaunty falcon]

No EM4 at 45

[undone tartan]

Ok good

[hard gale]

em4 with BP is not good

not good at all

[undone tartan]

But also how the hell do I get that extra heat? There’s just way too many enemies in Elysium with JS3, and AP1 is so insanely limiting

[jaunty falcon]

45 is like the highest heat you can go while still (for the most part) avoiding (a) being ridiculously time pressured, (b) RI and (c) EM4

[jaunty falcon]

HS

[undone tartan]

That’s still not even enough to solve my problem

Ok. So definitely RI0. Definitely EM3. Ideally AP0 because AP1 is probably too hard, that pact literally makes my run like twice as hard. Where in the world is that heat coming from? CP? That can’t be right. But that’s it. That’s every pact I’m not using rn, and I’m at 44

I think I’m just gonna do 44 then

[jaunty falcon]

Definitely use AP1 before jumping into CP2

[undone tartan]

Yeah

[jaunty falcon]

You would have probably timed out if you used CP2 in your 42 heat run

It's hard

[mossy zinc]

Here's my strat for 45 Heat:

[undone tartan]

Imo the difference between this 44 heat pact with AP0 and this pact at 46 heat with AP1, is literally bigger than the difference between 10 heat and 32 heat. I’m not even kidding. This pact feels like it suddenly becomes exponentially harder with AP1. I also have no doubt that it’s the least painful option too

[mossy zinc]

Press + on pacts until it adds up to 45. Take the . Win.

[undone tartan]

Btw I am actually starting with Eternal Rose

[jaunty falcon]

AP1 with RI0 isn't as bad as it seems, you still have rerolls and dark foresight

[mossy zinc]

Why is your strategy for 45 to do 44?

Do 46.

[undone tartan]

Yeah but it was actually insanely bad. I did multiple runs with that 45 heat pact. One of them even made it to early Elysium, but I literally couldn’t get an attack boon. My hammers were medium at best, my boons were all suboptimal except for my Thunder Flourish. It’s so rough

[undone tartan]

The jump from 44 to 45 is astronomical. I’m gonna just avoid that for now

[mossy zinc]

I think 44 to 45 barely makes a difference to be perfectly honest.

[undone tartan]

Although this is all circumstantial ofc. A little bit of the anecdotal fallacy

[undone tartan]

But… I would have to take either:
RI1
AP1
EM4
CP1

So….

[jaunty falcon]

Imo, if you want a clear and you don't get an attack boon in ch1, you should reset

[mossy zinc]

So?

[undone tartan]

I probably can’t even do 32 with EM4, AP is super bad, CP1 + JS3 is a guaranteed time-out for someone like me who isn’t super experienced with high heat fast play. And RI is RI

[jaunty falcon]

I'd take AP2 before any RI tbh

[undone tartan]

Exactly

[mossy zinc]

Sounds like your problem is lack of practice at 45 Heat.

Too much thinking about the pact, not enough practice.

[jaunty falcon]

What's your quickest anyheat time with Rama?

[undone tartan]

Yeah, part of it. But also, 44 heat is way easier so I’m gonna focus on that for now. My PB is 42, so 44 is still enough to be super happy about.

[undone tartan]

Tbh idk, I don’t run low heat with Rama

[mossy zinc]

AP1 is chill.

[jaunty falcon]

Get fast with Rama

[mossy zinc]

CP1 is chill.

[jaunty falcon]

Even if it's 11-12 mins, still gonna be better than nothing

[undone tartan]

I’m doing my best. But it wouldn’t make sense to practice low heat Rama to beat TD at 45 heat

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, just practice at 45 for 45.

[jaunty falcon]

Helps your mechanics. I beat Hestia 50 heat first try because I knew the mechanics of the weapon from speedrunning it

[undone tartan]

I’m gonna do 44 for now, and I’m perfectly ok with that

[mossy zinc]

No because Hestia is braindead.

[jaunty falcon]

Bonk bonk bonk

[undone tartan]

My heat PB was 32 like two weeks ago! This is crazy. I’m in no rush here

[mossy zinc]

I went from first 32 to weapon WR.

[undone tartan]

Well not everyone can be that special I guess

What was the WR btw

[mossy zinc]

41 Heat Malphon.

[undone tartan]

Nice

Wait are speeder enemies with FO2 literally 90% faster??

That cannot be

[mossy zinc]

Could be multiplicative.

[hardy garden]

210% faster enemies

sounds fun

or 210% speed*

[mossy zinc]

@solemn pulsar do you happen to know if FO + Speeder is additive or multiplicative?

[undone tartan]

Slugger and HL are additive right?

I think it has to be, otherwise I’d be taking like 70 damage from Elysian Longspears, which I don’t think I’ve seen

[hard gale]

i dont think its multiplicative

because FO1 speeders seem fine

like not insanely fast

[undone tartan]

Nah they’re still scary fast tbh

[hard gale]

rng moment

[undone tartan]

My autocorrect is weird

[hard gale]

lol

[hardy garden]

well if it was multiplicative then fo1 speeders would be 80% faster instead of 70%

not much of a diff

[undone tartan]

Good point

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm. Quite sure that Slugger is multiplicative.

[undone tartan]

It is?

[mossy zinc]

Pretty sure yeah.

[undone tartan]

But how much base damage do Elysium enemies do? Because even with HL5 and Slugger, I’ve never seen a number over 50 I don’t think

[hard gale]

they wrote

stacks

well that can mean both things

[hardy garden]

think the wiki has that stuff

[mossy zinc]

Probably not.

[hardy garden]

base damage: ?

thanks wiki

[hard gale]

🗿

[hardy garden]

has hp and armor amounts though

[undone tartan]

The wiki has base damage for different enemy attacks?

Oh

It doesn’t

[hardy garden]

well stuff like the thugs have their base damage

probably only for enemies with one attack i guess

[mossy zinc]

Louts do 16 damage with HL5 and 32 with HL5 + Slugger.

[undone tartan]

Slugger and Speeder are in a difficulty tier of their own

[mossy zinc]

And yet so much easier than Bruiser used to be.

I think it was 2x armor before.

[undone tartan]

What is it now?

[mossy zinc]

1.5x.

[undone tartan]

Speeder is a little too much imo

[mossy zinc]

Well, you're the one picking FO2 on top of BP2.

[clever otter]

yeah, if anyone here knows all the base damage and such that enemies that are missing it do, they are free to add it to the wiki (which could always use help to make it better)

[undone tartan]

But like… it’s just to a level that’s kinda unfair. Enemies stop having telegraphs at all, they just throw out hitboxes

[mossy zinc]

I can still react to almost every attack.

[undone tartan]

Well you kinda just have to stay out of range at all times in my experience

Either that, or be ready to divine dash on a dime

But I guess maybe that’s just a skill issue?

[mossy zinc]

If you can't react, why don't you walk in to bait out their attack?

[undone tartan]

I do that sometimes. But also there’s often a lot of enemies because JS3, so that’s not really very viable most of the time. Especially with TD3

I think I’ve reached the point where heat starts to feel legit unfair tbh. I might just stick to 40 as my max

[mossy zinc]

Do JS2 CP1 before you do JS3.

[undone tartan]

Really?

Why am I asking really ofc it’s really

I’m just unsure because of bosses

[hard gale]

i hate those things in asphodel so much

the claw guys

if ur using a slow weapon

[undone tartan]

Bone rakers

[hard gale]

you get shredded

they just don't stop

[undone tartan]

I totally know what you mean

[hard gale]

I was using Arthur and I lost like half my life

[mossy zinc]

If you're scared of CP1 bosses, do CP2 until you stop being scared.

[undone tartan]

[mossy zinc]

You're not supposed to attack Bone-Rakers while they're in attack animation.

[hard gale]

that's like

the whole time

[mossy zinc]

You can't stun them during their attack.

Nope, it's just a long combo.

[hard gale]

their attack is like infinite

[mossy zinc]

Patience.

It's not infinite, though.

[hard gale]

sure feels like it

[undone tartan]

Is their attack longer if they’re armored? Like how armored witches shoot more projectiles?

[mossy zinc]

No idea tbh.

Could be.

[undone tartan]

No amount of heat will ever make me fear pests

[mossy zinc]

They also move very predictably during the combo, so you can actually get some hits in with Excalibur.

Since you have so much range.

And they get stuck easily.

[undone tartan]

Ok I officially give up on 44 heat for now

I haven’t made it out of Tartarus in like 6 runs

It’s just not gonna happen

[mossy zinc]

After how many attempts for how many days?

[hard gale]

I feel like tarturus takes so long

too long

[mossy zinc]

The #1 skill for high heat success is perseverance. You should be aware of that by now.

[undone tartan]

Nyaa, I currently don’t care enough to enjoy grinding for days for a single thing like that. I loved doing every aspect at 32 heat. I don’t want to grind, I want to just play at an enjoyable difficulty level. I’m gonna go back to 34-36 heat with some other aspects that I haven’t played in a while. If/when I feel ready, I’ll go back to 43+ heat

Maybe I’m just not a high heat player

I’m ok with that

I’m pretty happy with everything I’ve accomplished in the last few weeks

[mossy zinc]

You're probably closer to beating 44 than you realize.

[undone tartan]

I’m sure that I could do it, but I don’t think that I would enjoy the amount of work it would take to get there

[mossy zinc]

What's killing you in Tartarus?

[undone tartan]

Time, speeder enemies, Alecto was killing me a lot

[hard gale]

what you using?

[undone tartan]

Which isn’t even changed by the extra two heat lol

[undone tartan]

Rama

[hard gale]

nice

[next wyvern]

Use Zeus static tthing with FO2 can be nice

[jaunty falcon]

It's Beowulf time

[mossy zinc]

You've killed Speeder enemies before, and you've beaten TD3 before.

[next wyvern]

if you apply it fast enough i guess

[mossy zinc]

I assume it's JS3 that's killing you.

[next wyvern]

Cant you like just skip bosses with Rama?

[undone tartan]

Probably part of it, yeah

[next wyvern]

like i usually one or two shot bosses to thei threshold with Rama

[undone tartan]

What are you talking about? The DPS really isn’t THAT good, damn

[next wyvern]

If you get twin shot early rama can do that tho right?

[mossy zinc]

Twin Shot kinda skips the Furies.

[jaunty falcon]

Beowulf is like Rama except you don't get hit when charging up your nuke

[next wyvern]

i like twin shot with Artemis attack

And try to get the duo boon with dionisus on rama

[undone tartan]

The damage isn’t even close tbh

[hard gale]

yes

[undone tartan]

Not to twin shot Rama at least

[mossy zinc]

My whole 51 Heat strat was I'll just take Rama to cheese boss fights.

[next wyvern]

Rama with a good shot is really strong

[undone tartan]

no way

[jaunty falcon]

Beowulf damage is definitely better than Rama for burst

[next wyvern]

just have to position right

[undone tartan]

Bro I know how to play Rama lmao

[next wyvern]

Beowulf needs like a duo boon to reach thay damagw

right?

[jaunty falcon]

Rama needs a hammer

2 preferably

[mossy zinc]

So why did you die in Tartarus?

[next wyvern]

hammer is easier to get

than duo boons wdym

[jaunty falcon]

Eh, not really

[next wyvern]

@mossy zinc i'm scared of FO2 Asterius

i cant out maneuver his charge

[mossy zinc]

Good. You're wise.

[undone tartan]

Tbh it could be because it’s getting close to 4 AM and I got less than 6 hours of sleep in the last 36 hours

I should probably sleep

[hardy garden]

thats a possibility

[mossy zinc]

Sleep is for the weak.—Master Achilles, probably

[next wyvern]

Btw what is the consensus of Rama hammer?

Twin shot vs Triple shot

[jaunty falcon]

Twin is safer

[next wyvern]

I prefer twin a lot more

[jaunty falcon]

I prefer twin

[hard gale]

I like twin better

[next wyvern]

Triple just feel like overkill

[hard gale]

you need to get real close to get big bonks with triple

[undone tartan]

It could be because I was trying to play on the same seed because it started with C1 Twin Shot, but the problem was the Aphrodite was on an Erebus gate so I either had to put in massive effort in order to get my attack boon or I had to skip my Aphro attack for the entirety of Tartarus

[hard gale]

which I'm not a fan of

[mossy zinc]

The consensus is Twin or Triple.

[next wyvern]

Twin shot also have 2 chances to roll for crit on Artemis

[next wyvern]

i meant like which is better usually?

[undone tartan]

Why are you using Artemis attack?

[next wyvern]

artemis duo boon with dio is nice

[undone tartan]

No it’s not

[next wyvern]

more crits is fun wdym

[undone tartan]

That boon barely does anything lmao

[mossy zinc]

It's better to have either one of them than neither.

[hard gale]

it's mid

[jaunty falcon]

Honestly it's probably better than heart rend on Rama

You still get the hangover damage

Which crits

[undone tartan]

Yeah but it’s worse than just having Heartbreak Strike, which is just one boon

[hard gale]

but them crits

[jaunty falcon]

Well, starting Artemis is probably the better choice for AP2

[undone tartan]

Taking Artemis attack so you can get a duo boon that is mediocre at best, all at 40+ heat is insane to me

[jaunty falcon]

Since dash is also optimal

[mossy zinc]

Splitting Headache is super good on anything if you have Hunter's Mark.

[next wyvern]

Hangover can get some slow too

[hard gale]

the only duo boon that I think is completely useless is curse of longing

literally does nothing

[mossy zinc]

That's so untrue.

[hard gale]

if you have anything doom it just keeps resettin

[next wyvern]

what are you on

[jaunty falcon]

Nyaanyaa Mewmew is typing

[hard gale]

lol

[next wyvern]

Curse of longer is just a bjt weaker than ME

[hard gale]

._.

[undone tartan]

The thing that makes Rama so strong is that you can literally have more damage in chamber 3 than most builds will leaving Styx. Why in the world would you give that up just for splitting headache??

[hard gale]

curse of longing is like C tier

if not D

[undone tartan]

You’re out of your mind

[next wyvern]

said the one had 6 hours of sleep in 2 days

[undone tartan]

I never liked CoL, that boon really doesn’t do a lot

[hard gale]

literally the only time I can think that it works is if I'm playing a weapon with weak attack and I purge my doom boon

but I still have curse of longing

then it works

which is never

[undone tartan]

Wait what

[next wyvern]

Full stack meme Doom for bigger number is fun

[mossy zinc]

The #1 thing about Doom sans ME is that it kills off enemies for you while you go for the next target, but it stops doing that reliably or at all in later biomes. It kills them off reliably again with Curse of Longing

[hard gale]

it doesn't stack

it resets

if you apply doom urself

[undone tartan]

#h1-high-heat-strategies

[hard gale]

😎

[next wyvern]

wdym it doeant work in high heat

[hard gale]

it doesn't work.

[hardy garden]

doesnt curse of longing with stacked doom only take in account of the base doom damage

[undone tartan]

Do you mind if I ask what your heat PB is?

[hardy garden]

also like youll just refresh it if you hit with another doom stack

[hard gale]

yes

it does jack

[undone tartan]

Not really, because you need to keep applying weak

[next wyvern]

i think my highest one is like 40 with Shield

[undone tartan]

Wym you think

[next wyvern]

Been a while

[hard gale]

that's what I'm saying if ur taking a doom boon, you must be taking it on a fast weapon which keeps applying it

[undone tartan]

Do you still play the game?

[hard gale]

so the CoL doom barely makes any difference

[amber jetty]

man stop, let people have opinions

[next wyvern]

uses to very into the game, took sometimes off and now return

[amber jetty]

muck literally did 32 heat doom yesterday

[hard gale]

doom is good

I like it

[mossy zinc]

You don't. 4s is usually enough, and it can last much longer with Empty Inside.

[undone tartan]

Yeah but Empty Inside does almost nothing otherwise, assuming you have weak on your main attack

[hardy garden]

tbh past the first three doom hits, CoL wont do much

[undone tartan]

And 4s is enough for one extra hit of doom (unless I’m mistaken and it’s 2?) which is 50% extra doom damage for twice the time. Aka, a much worse version of Impending Doom

[mossy zinc]

Empty Inside ensures pretty much every enemy remains Weak no matter if you target another one or run or they run from you... very underrated boon because all people look at is DPS.

[hard gale]

how frequently does CoL tick

0.5?

[jaunty falcon]

1.1s

Same as doom

[hard gale]

💀 💀

[mossy zinc]

Doom procs every 1.1s.

[nocturne stag]

Consider: run COL and ME

[jaunty falcon]

If you do that then CoL does nothing

[hardy garden]

kinda pointless?

[hard gale]

drink nothing juice

[nocturne stag]

Shhhh

[hard gale]

🗿

[mossy zinc]

The only issue that Curse of Longing has is that ME exists. But there's still plenty of room for Curse of Longing in builds.

[amber jetty]

But more green = more happy juice

[undone tartan]

I don’t just look at DPS. I like Broken Resolve. But I almost never swap targets after hitting an enemy, especially not with Beo or Rama (which are the only high heat weapons I use rn). And obviously I’m not gonna go more than 4s without hitting the boss I’m fighting when I have TD3 active

[nocturne stag]

Exactly

[mossy zinc]

If you keep applying Doom to the same enemy, your DPS is way suboptimal anyway.

[nocturne stag]

Obtain seratonins

[hard gale]

hmm

[next wyvern]

I you are gonna have to swap target a lot in high heat tho isnt it?

like crystals

[undone tartan]

I don’t do EM4

[mossy zinc]

There are 22 aspects that aren't Beowulf or Rama.

[hard gale]

screw sneak in em4

all my homies hate sneak in em4

[nocturne stag]

Imagine if the crystals could make each other invulnerable

[hard gale]

💀

[next wyvern]

if they have armour and thay blue heart bufd thing

baically hell

[nocturne stag]

Is it actually possible to kill them if they buff each other? Doesn't the shield only go away when the crystal making it dies?

[hard gale]

no

thats why it's not a tuing

thing

[nocturne stag]

That's why I proposed it, but then Dio started talking about armor and I was confused

[undone tartan]

Alright, well definitely for me, Empty Inside is pretty worthless. And even with other weapons, you’re rarely gonna have a situation where that boon is good imo

[mossy zinc]

Philistine.

Heretic.

[undone tartan]

Nyaa not every boon has to be good. I’ve never seen you not defend a boon that someone says is bad

[nocturne stag]

Palestine

[jaunty falcon]

If it wasn't pommable I'd be happy taking it more often

[jaunty falcon]

Ares aid

[nocturne stag]

We're just saying words now, right?

[undone tartan]

Oh that’s true

[next wyvern]

Poseidon legendary is literally fish

not even guarantied

[undone tartan]

[hard gale]

pomming empty inside is the biggest waste of a pom ever

[nocturne stag]

Nya is just an absurd aphro simp and will defend anything tangentially related to her to the death in my experience

[next wyvern]

Artemis is superior

[hard gale]

that's just a one time thing I think

doesn't happen ever again

[mossy zinc]

They've usually barely played the game for a few months.

[jaunty falcon]

No

[hard gale]

welp

[hardy garden]

empty inside can be convenient for keeping up privileged status if you only have aphro cast ig

[next wyvern]

i get it all the time just never pick it

[undone tartan]

I don’t see how that’s relevant to whether a boon is good or not

[nocturne stag]

Posideon has two legendaries doesn't he?

[jaunty falcon]

You need sunken treasure or oceans bounty I think, or the conch

[hard gale]

he has two legendaries

I see

[next wyvern]

the other one is just push twice

[hardy garden]

yeah second makes knockback happen twice

[next wyvern]

and requires a t2 boon that i almost useless against bosses

[hard gale]

posiedoj worst god

[undone tartan]

Also, to be clear, I have 465 hours in Hades and have consumed at least 100 hours of Hades content

[hard gale]

ngl

[nocturne stag]

Which is fun, if not always beneficial

[next wyvern]

nah I like poseidone 50% more golds

i love it when he gives me more golds

especially when all costs are +80%

[hard gale]

posiedon has the most extreme boons

either they are doo doo

[nocturne stag]

And yet you don't have the Hades role

[hard gale]

or hella good

like splash dash is good

[undone tartan]

It’s interesting because I was watching Haelian’s duo boon tier list and he said a lot of things that were in direct opposition with things I’ve heard Nyaa say. It helps show that a lot of things are not as cut and dry as they can be presented (by either party)

[undone tartan]

I prefer my default color

[hard gale]

but then posiedon attack on literally anything hit Lucifer is not that good

[mossy zinc]

It's relevant to how little experience they have to gauge to how effective boons can be in a lot of scenarios they don't pay attention to yet or have barely encountered, inefficient tactics, etc.

[hard gale]

not even Lucifer

unless sea storms

[hardy garden]

funny with shield and dash attacking things lol

[next wyvern]

tbh worst god is like Dio i feel

[jaunty falcon]

Neither haelian or nyaanyaa know absolutely everything about the potential of duo boons, nobody does. Even top players have disagreements about what's good

[mossy zinc]

Haelian and I have always disagreed on a lot of things.

[next wyvern]

like it is nice to have some of his stuffs but it's just kinda sad

[hard gale]

nevah

[jaunty falcon]

A lot of things I disagree with both players ngl

[hard gale]

dio call is literally the best

[nocturne stag]

I think the problem with posideon attack is that the things that benefit most from his effects are not on the attack

[hard gale]

comparable to zeus

[next wyvern]

Dio call isn't Zeus call tho

[undone tartan]

Yeah I know. But it was good to be reminded of that

[next wyvern]

having zeus call also easier to get smoldering and other zeus related buf

[undone tartan]

So I noticed

[next wyvern]

you can further increase zeus call damage

easier

[jaunty falcon]

Whatever you do, don't disagree with magnil

[nocturne stag]

I like ares aid even though it's not the best. It's fun to stack blade buffs lol

[next wyvern]

just take more zeus

[hard gale]

can hangover crit?

[undone tartan]

Who

[hard gale]

lol

[mossy zinc]

...

[next wyvern]

i think almost everything can crit

[jaunty falcon]

The Chiron guy, the 53s Elysium guy, and the sub 10 50 heat guy

And 6:15 32 heat

[next wyvern]

filthy chiron abuser

[hardy garden]

pressure points makes pretty much anything crit dont it

[undone tartan]

Ok that’s pretty crazy but like

[next wyvern]

it's Chiron

[hard gale]

not lightning bolts

[undone tartan]

I still don’t know who that is

[hard gale]

they can't crit

[nocturne stag]

Reject dps minmax, embrace lol strats

[jaunty falcon]

They do now

[hard gale]

😳

[undone tartan]

They can actually

[hard gale]

the more you know

[hardy garden]

[undone tartan]

As of like a few weeks after I started playing

[next wyvern]

tbh i want to have new hammers

like more shields to throw on chaos or smth

[nocturne stag]

I want Gilgamesh buff

[next wyvern]

i want Gilgamesh to just throw random bullsh*t into enemies

[mossy zinc]

Also the administrator guy of the Chinese translation of the High Heat Leaderboard.

[hard gale]

justice for posiedon

[jaunty falcon]

I'd be happy with base spear buff

[hard gale]

make his stuff better

like better %

[next wyvern]

like why call aspect of gilgamesh when most of you doing is Enkidu thing

[hard gale]

his attack % is so low

[undone tartan]

I want a buff to a lot of God’s core attack and special boons, because there’s no reason for tidal strike to do +30% and for frost strike to do +40%

[jaunty falcon]

Can't make it too good, then sea storm would be meta on everything

Frost strike is good

[next wyvern]

nerf Aphro

🏃

[jaunty falcon]

Chill pretty nice

[undone tartan]

Where?

[jaunty falcon]

High heat

And in general

Tbh

[mossy zinc]

You can't nerf Lady Aphrodite, she's too powerful.

[jaunty falcon]

Better than divine strike unless you are doing ME

[undone tartan]

Yeah, but the damage is just not good enough. There’s no reason that Aphrodite should be better than every other god in terms of core boons on most aspects

[next wyvern]

tbh i want more Dionus boons that buff his own drinking damage

[mossy zinc]

Love conquers everything.

[next wyvern]

like why he needs 2 duo boon to make his thing work?

[undone tartan]

“Can’t nerf because too powerful”

[mossy zinc]

You have Peer Pressure. Be happy with that.

[jaunty falcon]

Honestly, I think Zeus is probably the best god on attack for most aspects in the game

Or Ares, or dio

[undone tartan]

Bad Influence

[next wyvern]

stahp

[mossy zinc]

It means she won't allow it.

[hard gale]

🗿

[next wyvern]

it depends on which atk

[mossy zinc]

Bad Influence is really strong.

[hard gale]

I barely use Demeter at all

least used god

[mossy zinc]

Drunken Dash + Bad Influence is super underrated.

[undone tartan]

Oh wait

Sorry Bad Influence is good

I was thinking of Peer Pressure

[next wyvern]

but i need more damage on bosses

[hard gale]

what is peer pressure then

[undone tartan]

That boon is literally terrible

[hardy garden]

demeters duos seem kinda eh except for funny lasers

[hard gale]

what is it tho

what does it do

[next wyvern]

spread poison around

[jaunty falcon]

But replaces old stacks

[undone tartan]

But it’s super weak poison

[next wyvern]

Hangover-afflicted foes contaminate other nearby foes every 4 Sec.

[jaunty falcon]

For weaker ones

[mossy zinc]

It makes babies cry.

[hard gale]

p o i s o n ?

ah

then what's bad influence

lol

[next wyvern]

Hangover is just poison lol

[jaunty falcon]

More damage when 3 foes are hangovered

[hard gale]

oh yeah that's a neat boon

[undone tartan]

Peer Pressure has got to be in the top 3 worst boons in the game

Bad Influence is fine, I don’t actually have an issue with that boon

[next wyvern]

its condition is good but well

i need more damage against bosses

but it is good against Hydra i guess

[hard gale]

isn't 4 seconds a lot tho

[next wyvern]

if its condition is like 2 enemies so i can deal with thesus easier

[hardy garden]

wait if you stick hangover on dad's skulls does that work

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah

[hardy garden]

ez

[mossy zinc]

But but but when enemies that have Hangover applied by Peer Pressure then apply Hangover to other enemies through Peer Pressure, it does a lot more damage.

[undone tartan]

Peer Pressure literally makes most builds worse. And when it does do something, it does it incredibly slowly

[jaunty falcon]

But but but they're already dead

[mossy zinc]

Not if you hide behind a shield.

Strats.

[jaunty falcon]

[undone tartan]

Oh wait yeah how do they spread the hangover if they only can spread it after it’s hit the max number of times

God what a worthless boon lmao

I assume it only applies a single Hangover

[hard gale]

does calculated risk even help at all

it's been so long since I've used it

[jaunty falcon]

Never utilised it myself

[undone tartan]

It does a little bit

[hard gale]

I forgor 💀

[mossy zinc]

I guess it does something good for players that do like 49m runs?

Calculated Risk is pretty good, yeah.

[undone tartan]

Wtf are 49m runs? Is that a random number you threw out or is that an actual thing people do

[hard gale]

I'm sure I saw a 102 mins run on this server once

[mossy zinc]

Projectiles are way easier to deal with when you have Calculated Risk.

[hardy garden]

well if someone does nothing but sheild charge ppl

[undone tartan]

Yeah I have too

[hardy garden]

athena special on bow

[mossy zinc]

It's just you rarely have a reason to have core boons from both in the first place.

[hardy garden]

or just divine dash

[jaunty falcon]

I saw a 52 heat run that took 72 mins

[mossy zinc]

Why would that be a category?

[undone tartan]

Lmaooo idk man

[hardy garden]

wait if you have the shield and stubborn roots... can you like just block in a corner and just not die ever.....

[undone tartan]

“I have the world record 49m run”

[hard gale]

athana stuff on bow isnt that good I reckon

because the attack is thin

[undone tartan]

You can also do Vengeful Mood

[jaunty falcon]

The guy did zeus²

[undone tartan]

The idea of a category specifically for 49 minute runs is really really funny to me

[hardy garden]

lmao ultimate cheese

[mossy zinc]

TD would kill you unless you have Divine Protection.

[jaunty falcon]

Everything maxed apart from AP2 and RI4

And TD of course

And PL

Oops

[mossy zinc]

But you don't need Stubborn Roots to be invincible with Beowulf anyway.

[jaunty falcon]

Beowulf is invincible in the fact that enemies can't kill you if they're dead

[undone tartan]

Even with Divine Protection, doesn’t that still totally kill you? Or does Divine Protection prevent timer damage while also not going away?

[undone tartan]

“You can’t kill me! I’m already dead!”

[waxen relic]

Why no Ri4 tho?

[hardy garden]

wait does td kill you or bring you to one hp?

[undone tartan]

“I picked Hades spear! I don’t fear you! I’m not gonna win anyway!”

[mossy zinc]

TD kills you.

But not if you have Divine Protection.

You stay at 1 HP.

[jaunty falcon]

Not sure, but the run was the guys 35th escape

[undone tartan]

Even if you get hit before that and your shield isn’t active?

[undone tartan]

Wtf? That must have been a second file

[mossy zinc]

I think you know the answer to that.

[waxen relic]

Oh I thought you were theory crafting sth. My bad.

[undone tartan]

Probably, but the way you phrased it confused me for a sec

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge look at this slander.

[undone tartan]

Lol

[mossy zinc]

Three aspects did 50+ before 1.0.

One of them was Hades Aspect.

[undone tartan]

But…

Why

[daring hedge]

Because I wanted to!

[undone tartan]

Hi Tailesque!

[daring hedge]

Hello

[undone tartan]

That’s actually cool as hell

I just hate the aspect because it was my last one for 32 and it was pissing me off lol

Tbh it was one of your runs that got me to start using Rama

[daring hedge]

It kind of all began with wriste13 talking about underused aspects that could do high heat, and I got fixated on hades spear and started practicing with it and making use of mini dash spins lol

[undone tartan]

That’s sick

[mossy zinc]

Aspects were weaker on average before 1.0, too.

Because some weren't buffed yet.

Like all the bows.

Hades Aspect was pretty good relative to other aspects.

Like, Achilles had 2 charges and the rush buffer was worse and things like that.

[undone tartan]

I just wish the punishing effect applied to spin attacks. So that I could at least do some fun “ballerina Zag” runs where I just spam spin at low heat with Massive Spin

[mossy zinc]

Bow was both weaker and charged slower.

[daring hedge]

Yeah, weirdly enough Achilles ended up being the aspect for buffing spin attacks

[undone tartan]

Makes sense

[mossy zinc]

We also didn't have Dark Foresight, so builds were honestly very different then.

Literally every standard build these days was "broken" before Dark Foresight lol.

[daring hedge]

I pretty much only started using Rama after 1.0 because it was honestly just a pain to use properly beforehand lol

[mossy zinc]

Like 1 in 50 runs if you were lucky got that many strong boons, and you probably had low HP instead.

[undone tartan]

Damn so I guess Dark Foresight does more than I think it does

It’s hard to tell since I never don’t have it active

[waxen relic]

It does. Mirror is a bit like a cheating tool.

[mossy zinc]

Lmao

[waxen relic]

[daring hedge]

Uh huh mr. Mirrorless

[clever otter]

dark foresight does a lot, i have it off now and i see a whole lot more blue laurel rewards

[mossy zinc]

Called out by the actual unseeded mirrorless WR holder.

[daring hedge]

Most of the difficulty from running high heat RI2 is from losing dark foresight

[undone tartan]

And to think my dumb ass used to use Olympian Favor

[waxen relic]

You mean PhantomS?

[mossy zinc]

That run was seeded last I checked.

[waxen relic]

Oh? I don't remember.

[mossy zinc]

Last I checked = 2 minutes ago.

[undone tartan]

Last you checked, like it could have become unseeded since then

[mossy zinc]

It could have.

Tailesque could have changed it.

[undone tartan]

Oh alright fair enough

[mossy zinc]

Barrel-rolling himself by editing the leaderboard.

Seeded WR is Baj's 64 Heat, of course.

[undone tartan]

Yeah

[glossy geyser]

hi. I'm a quite new player (played the game for ~1 week). Completed my first 32 heat run at last, that was stressful af. Got pretty lucky here - basically survived on 27 hps, which makes me realize the Touch of Styx (extra 10% on stubborn defiance proc) I bought is what saved me.

I guess I have a few questions for the pros, if anyone would be willing to mentor me a bit, just ping me.

Like: how do you deal with Asterius charge on FO2 ? That thing may be on the top of my list of "thing that end my run".

[eternal hare]

try to bait him into running into a pillar or a wall

you can stand close to either one of them and dash through pillars/parallel to the wall when he gets close

sometimes he does have ridiculous tracking and rotation though so don't feel too bad getting hit either way

definitely takes a bit of practice

[glossy geyser]

well... that's what I do on FO0 or 1, but on FO2, it's so fast... I barely have time to move

[eternal hare]

big part of it is being able to quickly identify the tell for when he's winding up the charge so you can prepare

[glossy geyser]

the startup too. I see the animation, I'm like "oh s.." boom he hits me. The times when I dodge it is mostly luck (I was already close to pillar or wall)

[eternal hare]

ranged aspects definitely have an easier time with it

[glossy geyser]

aaah that may be it. I was doing all my runs with twin fists

[eternal hare]

still quite doable with melee aspects of course, but you definitely have to be able to read it quicker

[glossy geyser]

maybe I should pick Acorn for that fight only for the Asterius charges.

though that wouldn't help in the miniboss fight, I guess

can I ask a couple of other questions?

[eternal hare]

of course

[glossy geyser]

I've read some guide where the guy seem to imply that he rarely picks a god keepsake in Tartarus... is this a common strategy (I always pick a good keepsake)

[eternal hare]

there are lots of bad guides out there

definitely not a common strategy with a few exceptions

most of time you'll want to do something like god keepsake -> god keepsake -> defensive keepsake -> defensive keepsake

[glossy geyser]

ok

[eternal hare]

not a hard and fast rule and situationally there are plenty of other things you'd like to take

[glossy geyser]

other thing, since I try to save time, I tend to always skip miniboss rooms when I can. That a good strategy or the boosted boons are too good to pass up ?

[eternal hare]

miniboss rooms actually tend to be faster than regular rooms

[glossy geyser]

oh.

[eternal hare]

so even without the boosted boon rarity they are more often a time save

[glossy geyser]

ok, didn't realize that

[eternal hare]

depending on the heat and your comfort level this may not be true for EM3 asterius but it's a 50/50 gamble on whether it's butterfly ball anyway so very well could be worth that gamble

[glossy geyser]

same deal with skipping duo boon rooms. but my advice may have changed on this, since my first 32 heat runs I decided to finally go for them because I was looking for Merciful End...

[eternal hare]

trials are an interesting one

really comes down to what kinda build you're getting yourself into and if you want both gods or not

there is some potential speed tech there since trial rooms do have guaranteed elite spawns which are faster than a regular encounter with a bunch of low-value unarmored enemies