#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 349

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Very straightforward and fast

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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what build are you going for with this, and what weapon was this guide made for?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Nyaanyaa uses that for everything I think

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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huh

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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She's very good

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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I’ve always used death defiance

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Oh lc4 SD is a good thing to get used to

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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That works on everything, just on most rails you'd start Lightning Strike instead, probably.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 AM

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is stubborn defiance better for my purposes?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Very useful at 32+

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You gotta get the heat from somewhere

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:29 AM

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LC4 means you get no healing, Stubborn Defiance lets you revive each chamber to get around that and heal you back to 30%.

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More if you get any Touches of Styx.

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Which are super cheap from the Well of Charon.

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But LC4 takes off 4 Heat somewhere else. That makes things a lot easier.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:30 AM

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That makes sense.

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You think that’ll leave me more time to beat em3?

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:30 AM

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LC4 is made pretty easy by having SD

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:31 AM

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Way more time, yes.

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Also, Demeter can be pretty damn slow at EM3.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:31 AM

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hmmmm

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:31 AM

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Unless you have very high DPS and can just burst both down immediately.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:32 AM

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yeah that was my problem

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:32 AM

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The reason for the Owl Pendant in Asphodel is to get Divine Dash because that makes things a whole lot easier, and then to get DDs from her.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:32 AM

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I didn’t have enough dps and went through all my defiances because asterisks is op in em3

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*asterius

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:32 AM

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When you use Stubborn Defiance, and you lose your SD in the chamber before picking up her Last Stand or Deathless Stand, she will "replenish" one DD, and then you also get your SD back like normal when you enter the next chamber.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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Oh that’s nice

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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EM Asterius is gonna be way easier when you have shield like Beowulf or can just pew-pew him from far.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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What’s the eternal rose for?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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High % damage and Weak.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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would you want Aphrodite on special or attack

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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And easy access to Life Affirmation and Smoldering Air, which can both totally carry high heat runs.

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That depends on your aspect.

agile crane Jul 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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mossy zinc When you use Stubborn Defiance, and you lose your SD in the chamber before picki...

It doesn’t just replenish 1 DD, it also gives bonus effects (IE more HP/longer Invul)

agile crane Jul 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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mossy zinc And easy access to Life Affirmation and Smoldering Air, which can both totally c...

unless you’re running the mirror thingie that lowers amount of HP Gained

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Yes, but the bonus effect is not really why you're getting the DD. It's nice, though.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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mossy zinc And easy access to Life Affirmation and Smoldering Air, which can both totally c...

right but those boons don’t appear until later on, and god keepsakes don’t guarantee appearances again right?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:35 AM

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agile crane unless you’re running the mirror thingie that lowers amount of HP Gained

There's no mirror talent like that. thanthink

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Are you thinking of the pact Lasting Consequences? Life Affirmation is entirely unaffected by that.

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Life Affirmation effect max health upgrades

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Not regular healing

agile crane Jul 21, 2021, 4:35 AM

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ivory plank right but those boons don’t appear until later on, and god keepsakes don’t guara...

The god keepsake will actually help those boons reappear since there’s like a max of 4 Olympian gods

agile crane Jul 21, 2021, 4:36 AM

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mossy zinc Are you thinking of the pact Lasting Consequences? Life Affirmation is entirely ...

yeah I was thinking this

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Yeah, max HP gains from Life Affirmation are not affected by LC.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:36 AM

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agile crane The god keepsake will actually help those boons reappear since there’s like a ma...

Ah thank you! Didn’t know that.

agile crane Jul 21, 2021, 4:36 AM

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next acorn Life Affirmation effect max health upgrades

OH that’s a game changer then

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:36 AM

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Once you have boons from 4+ gods (not counting Lord Hermes and Master Chaos), any future boons you pick up will only be from those 4+ gods.

agile crane Jul 21, 2021, 4:37 AM

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ivory plank Ah thank you! Didn’t know that.

I think it’s possible to get 5 gods in 1 run, but idk the specifics of that. Unless you mod

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:37 AM

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I read somewhere that god keepsakes don’t actually set that god in the slot of those four gods, do you know if that’s true?

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:37 AM

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Yeah Life Affirmation can be really nice when each health boost is effectively only increasing your max health by 20% on what it gives you

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:37 AM

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You're not guaranteed to see Life Affirmation or Smoldering Air, but just the chance alone is worth it. And Weak is amazing, and you won't be lacking DPS with her on your Attack or Special (depending on aspect).

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If you take a god keepsake, and then pick up a boon from that god, they count towards the 4+ gods.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:38 AM

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mossy zinc If you take a god keepsake, and then pick up a boon from that god, they count to...

Seems I was misinformed lol, thank you

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:38 AM

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agile crane I think it’s possible to get 5 gods in 1 run, but idk the specifics of that. Unl...

You can actually get all the gods in a run.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:40 AM

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since I don’t have Beowulf or a maxed eris aspect, what about a 32 heat Chiron run with Aphrodite on attack, some sort of stack effect on special, divine dash plus Aphrodite/Artemis call?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:41 AM

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Yeah, that sounds great.

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:41 AM

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If your doing aphro attack either Arty or Dio have good duo boons if you put them on special

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:41 AM

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Get whoever you see first between Lady Artemis and Lord Dionysus on your Special.

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An epic Heartbreak Flourish can also do a ton of damage as a fall-back option.

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Tempest Flourish is great, too.

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Especially if you also get Lord Zeus in your pool for Sea Storm.

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:42 AM

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If you don’t get sea storm it just feels so weak though

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:43 AM

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If you get Divine Dash in Tartarus already, still take the Owl Pendant into Asphodel to try to get her DDs. Asphodel is amazing for that because you can always easy lose your SD in magma before picking up her boon.

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Don't hesitate to use all your rerolls trying to get a DD from her or to get Divine Dash.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:44 AM

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Hm that makes sense. For keepsakes I’d probably run something like Eternal Rose - Owl Pendant - another god keepsake to round out the build or acorn - evergreen acorn

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:45 AM

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Just take the Acorn or Lucky Tooth into Elysium. Your build should be good by then.

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And Elysium can be scary. No need to take any risks, just gotta survive.

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Keep in mind that if you have any DDs from Lady Athena, equipping the Lucky Tooth will overwrite that DD, so don't do that.. it's bugged currently. courte5Ohno

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Yeah ur right, I’d figure that it makes sense to take the tooth in Elysium because the average damage per hit is under 20 I’d guess, plus it’s easy to get hit in normal encounters

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Then for the final boss I usually get hit by the 40 damage spins or the 25 damage boiling blood so it makes sense to take the acorn

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:47 AM

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mossy zinc Keep in mind that if you have any DDs from Lady Athena, equipping the Lucky Toot...

Yikes, I didn’t know that

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:47 AM

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Lucky Tooth is for stuff like unpleasant Chariot rooms or solo Asterius if your HP isn't too great yet and you have no DDs.

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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What happens if you get an Athena DD with the tooth already equipped

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Acorn is for the boss fight.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Yeah I agree!

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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If works like normal if you have Lucky Tooth before you get the DD.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Cant wait for those smelly statues

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*skelly

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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He heard you. courte5Ohno

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He's crying.

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:49 AM

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Poor Skelly

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:49 AM

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:(

maiden hull Jul 21, 2021, 4:49 AM

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Why u gotta do him like that

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:49 AM

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Yeah cmon

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Throw him a bone

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:49 AM

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lmao nice

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it was autocorrect I promise

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:50 AM

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Auto correct can be pretty bone headed sometimes

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 4:50 AM

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shadedisgruntled

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:51 AM

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agreed, autocorrect used to be so much better

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now it’s a skeleton of its former self

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I’ll admit that one was terrible

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 4:52 AM

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💀

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:53 AM

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Take Chiron for a spin and report back. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:53 AM

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alright I will!

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well, in the morning cause it’s 1am right now

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but EXPECT A REPORT tomorrow morning

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:54 AM

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1 a.m. is indeed early morning.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:55 AM

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True

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I’m going to sleep now, expect a report in like 9 hours or so

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Thank you so much for all the help!

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:56 AM

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Sure thing!

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I'll probably be around then.

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Good night! Or day. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 4:57 AM

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mossy zinc I'll probably be around then.

Alright see you then! Good night. Or day.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 2:18 PM

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update to chiron 32 heat

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I tried multiple times and kept timing out on the first boss, so I recorded myself but then I got heart rend

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Then I got destroyed by asterius miniboss

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and honestly i dont know what im doing wrong

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I'm going as fast as I can

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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hmm whats your pact again

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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this

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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okay

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:32 PM

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If you've got recordings feel free to post them

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We can take a look

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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okay

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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optimizations for being faster: pause whenever youre chosing a door, take mid shops, chaos and other free rooms if you can

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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How big of a jump is this for you heat-wise?

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 2:33 PM

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I’ll upload them on YouTube in like an hour or so

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huge, went to 32 straight from 8

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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If you're not used to TD3 it's pretty common for it to be a big adjustment

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Oh yeah lol

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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yeah looking at gameplay is gonna help

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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It's gonna be pretty rough

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8 to 32 is enormous

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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youre probably also not playing aggro enough

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:34 PM

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^

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And if you're not used to FO2 expect asterius to be a biiiiiig adjustment

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He'll end your runs for a few days at least

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 2:35 PM

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honest kernel youre probably also not playing aggro enough

yeah but with no health I get damaged really easily and go through my SD fast

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no health upgrades

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:36 PM

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If they're dead they cannot damage you

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Generally you want to be popping your SD on purpose in most of asphodel and elysium

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Aspho in particular after each combat, you just stand in lava until SD pops as "healing"

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Hold on lemme find one of my runs to share

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I'm not great like some people here but I have done 32 on every aspect

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 2:37 PM

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okay

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I gotta do something right now though so I can post my run and talk in like an hour, that ok?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 2:37 PM

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🙂

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg6ELSn9-zc Here's a chiron I did

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Feel free to review when you have time and lmk if you have questions

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 2:43 PM

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@ivory plank do HL5 FO0 instead. Way easier to just not get hit, especially on Chiron.

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And you'll spend less time running away scared, more time shooting.

gaunt fiber Jul 21, 2021, 3:27 PM

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Want me to review your Chiron run Mr Hat? zagPls

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 3:30 PM

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It's so sloppy lolol

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Shows how forgiving 32 heat can still be

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I just facetanked the entire heroes fight so I wouldn't time out

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I hate chiron

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Okay not hate but like it's so slow

gaunt fiber Jul 21, 2021, 3:33 PM

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I did not like the aspect at first either, felt boring. But high heat showed me how multifaceted it is

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Gotta love AP2 proof aspects too

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:39 PM

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mossy zinc <@689114779251376165> do HL5 FO0 instead. Way easier to just not get hit, especi...

HL5 = 5 heat, FO2 = 6 heat, how do I replace the missing heat?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:39 PM

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Take one in CF.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:40 PM

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I'm using the heat setup you showed me yesterday that already has HL1 and FO2, so if I go HL5 and FO0 I get 30 heat

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Should I take two in CF?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:41 PM

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RidiculousHat showed you that one. dusa

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:41 PM

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id probably take fo1

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

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Just do that.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:41 PM

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ahh sorry my bad

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:41 PM

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its still kinda possible to deal with enemies using it

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:42 PM

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mossy zinc **Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide** HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3 Stubborn Defiance Ete...

what build is that going for?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:42 PM

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It's going for damage + Weak into Divine Dash + DDs.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:42 PM

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yep, Ill try a chris run with that

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*chiron

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:42 PM

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basically just an allround build?

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 3:43 PM

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ivory plank yep, Ill try a chris run with that

aspect of chris

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:43 PM

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I guess so.

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It helps newer players clear 32 Heat because it's just very safe, and you still have all the damage you need.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:44 PM

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what would your setup for 40 heat look like?

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:44 PM

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thanks! imma go try a run now dusa

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Same pact but with FO2 JS1.

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For most aspects. CF0 is good for some.

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My own 32 Heat setups would look different, anyway. That guide isn't for me. dusa

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:48 PM

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whats the hardest 32 pact you could make? i guess like ap2, em4, fo2 or something

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the one that cancels mirror fully

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lc4

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Something like that.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:54 PM

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prolly like this

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:54 PM

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how much time are you supposed to have after beating the first boss with td3? just beat them with 15 seconds left

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867434364627320842/unknown.png

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:55 PM

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ivory plank how much time are you supposed to have after beating the first boss with td3? ju...

there isnt any specific time you have to have left, as long as your able to make it to the next biome your prolly fine

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 3:55 PM

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Each biome generally takes about the same time, so that's fine.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 3:56 PM

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usually for me tartarus takes 3-4:30 mins, it kinda depends on your build and luck

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wait no i forgot fo2

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i guess like this probably https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867435289189548061/unknown.png

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 3:58 PM

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okay thanks!

quartz mantle Jul 21, 2021, 3:59 PM

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LC4 Mirrorless thanthink

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I've done that.

quartz mantle Jul 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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With Luci?

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That's a real cursed pact

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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What? Why would you think I'd do that with Lucifer? lol

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Guan Yu.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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autumn ginkgo whats the hardest 32 pact you could make? i guess like ap2, em4, fo2 or somethin...

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i just had luci equipped

quartz mantle Jul 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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I was referring to the screenshot cause they had Luci on

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:01 PM

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You mean not every comment here is about me? Why, that's just courte5Rude

quartz mantle Jul 21, 2021, 4:02 PM

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with TD 0 you can just camp so probably at least TD2

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 4:03 PM

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the heat thing is kinda rough tho

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to get rid of dd/sd you ahve to do full routine inspection

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maybe replace fo2 with td2

quartz mantle Jul 21, 2021, 4:04 PM

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Just do FO1 with TD2 yea

daring hedge Jul 21, 2021, 4:28 PM

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mossy zinc Each biome generally takes about the same time, so that's fine.

But asphodel

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:29 PM

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It's just a rule of thumb. dusa

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 4:38 PM

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But asphodel

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 4:39 PM

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It's just a rule of thumb. bouldy

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 4:43 PM

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best high heat weapon?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:43 PM

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How much Heat?

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 4:44 PM

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32

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Hestia, Eris, Rama, Chiron, Hera, Zeus, Beowulf, Excalibur.

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 4:45 PM

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ty

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Achilles Shawty

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:14 PM

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No. dusa

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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squirtmeh

daring hedge Jul 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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Hades squirtdevious

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:15 PM

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No. dusa

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Talos ron

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:18 PM

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No. dusa

jaunty falcon Jul 21, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Guan Yu shadeohboy

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:23 PM

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No. dusa

quartz mantle Jul 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Nemesis zagluv

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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No. dusa

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Demeter fists with aphrodite keepsake in Tartarus

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:24 PM

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Yes. courte5AphroHeart dusa

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 5:25 PM

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We did it

jaunty falcon Jul 21, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Aspect of X with eternal rose

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Yes. courte5AphroHeart dusa

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Your mother

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Gottem

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 5:43 PM

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No. dusa

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

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Sorry!

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Gilgamesh onion

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I'm at asphodel with heartbreak strike and divine dash, should I take artemis keepsake for special or athena keepsake for DD??

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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For chiron? You kinda need heart rend

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Like your special has to start doing damage

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Going for DDs now means a time out I think

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Athena's already in your pool, you'll see her

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 6:59 PM

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ill do that, thanks!

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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Remember that if you don't pop your SD before picking up an athena boon you don't get a DD

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And you don't want to do that too early in the run

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 7:00 PM

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ohh okay ty!

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can you reroll to get a duo boon if it doesnt show up in the first list?

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 7:05 PM

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yes

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 7:05 PM

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thank you

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yay I got heart rend!

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 7:06 PM

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nice

honest kernel Jul 21, 2021, 7:06 PM

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👍

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 7:29 PM

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got comboed by lernie

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:(

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Are you still running on 32?

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 7:40 PM

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yep

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:45 PM

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shy plinth For chiron? You kinda need heart rend

Nah, you don't "need" Heart Rend.

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:45 PM

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shy plinth And you don't want to do that too early in the run

Why not? DDs are good.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Sure but at a certain point you need to do damage to not time out and mitigate any issues

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For someone newer to 32 the first DD would likely be spent

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:46 PM

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thanthink

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 7:46 PM

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I'd rather keep it on the table to use it for heroes/styx/dad

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:46 PM

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I don't agree with any of that.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 7:46 PM

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And encourage playing carefully earlier in the run

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Should be fine either way, though.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Keepsaking athena with an open pool in asphodel seems sketchy to me

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Open pool, shmopen pool. dusa

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 7:48 PM

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if i try to play carefully i get timed out :(

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imma record a run

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 7:53 PM

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You just need practice.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 7:59 PM

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welp

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just figured out that the "stop recording" hotkey is bound to 1, which is also my summon key

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which is why my recordings stop at like 4 minutes

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:05 PM

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F

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:21 PM

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god damn finally the video processed

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https://youtu.be/xWw1wWTZf1A

YouTube

thevoidcookie

32 heat has not been kind to me

▶ Play video

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this is what happens in most of my 32 heat runs, any suggestions?

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Watching through it rn

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:26 PM

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Might be worth having auto-aim on, I know it's a little funky for kbm but it's pretty important to hit

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You special somewhat often when the attack kills things too

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Reducing wasted inputs is a big deal for time

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Yeah, the biggest thing that looks like it could save time here is aim

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:27 PM

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pretty sure i have aim assist on

waxen relic Jul 21, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Practice. That's what you need most of all.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Yeah that's really what it comes down to

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You're making a huge leap from 8 heat

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The game is fundamentally different at 32

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:28 PM

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it really is yeah

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Why not go for the 16 statue first?

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:28 PM

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Yeah, to be honest maybe try like 16 heat or something - Just to get more used to some things from 32

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I mean that’s still a pretty big jump from 8 to 16, it’s just not an abusively hard one

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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I've been consistently making it to Hades, but I just dont have much damage in these 32 heat runs

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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With what build?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:31 PM

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And what pact

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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I've been trying out fists (dodge chance) and pretty much all the swords

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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32 shouldn't really place a lot of pressure on your build

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Zag fists and the swords might be the root of the issue

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Swords usually aren’t super good for damage except for ME

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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I just dont like the other weapons

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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What pact

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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What's ME

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Merciful end

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Merciful end

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Athena area duo

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Athena ares duo boon

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:32 PM

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jeez i just tried aiming more and shooting less and i got to first boss at 3 minutes

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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deflecting procs doom

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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There are 24 aspects in the game, you don't like 16 of them?

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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shy plinth Why not go for the 16 statue first?

honestly i think that's a better idea

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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ivory plank jeez i just tried aiming more and shooting less and i got to first boss at 3 min...

Nice

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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ivory plank jeez i just tried aiming more and shooting less and i got to first boss at 3 min...

Well done 🙂

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Ah gotcha. I dunno all the pacts I have. Was going to take suggestions from you guys

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Not at home rn

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Just teleport home

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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LOL

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Lol

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Silly

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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You could go home the zagreus way

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But it might not work for you

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I also play on Hell Mode so some are on by default

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Are you seriously slacking on hades right now

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I'm about to lose it

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Do you know if your using em4?

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Or enemies have extra health

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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^ yeah this might also be the problem

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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If hell mode is on then CP1 is on

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Both of those make dad a lot harder

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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I am. And they have extra health by default

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Stop using em4 you masochist

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Bruh

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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You’re using em4?

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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It's like 4 heat :(

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Its like

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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It is a very difficult 4 heat

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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The hardest pact

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Yeah

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Well not the hardest but one of the hardest

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Second hardest after RI I think

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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32 has so much breathing space to pick pacts why r u pickin em4

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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EM4 fists much bad

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Do you guys stop at EM3?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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^^^^

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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-complains about dad being hard
-uses em4
Lol it’s ok

waxen relic Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Nah hardest one.

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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EM4 almost any weapon at 32 much bad

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:35 PM

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That's my pact

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Don’t use em4 at 32

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If you wanna win

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Most people are advised to use em2 for fists LET ALONE 3 LET ALONEEE 4

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:36 PM

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I do like EM4 with Beo though

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Use em3

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:36 PM

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EM4 is a beo pact yes

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Em3 is fine

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Some Rama’s can do em4 as well

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:38 PM

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if something is four heat its four heat for a reason

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Lmao

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Actually

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Spear dash and mini boss summons much scare

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:38 PM

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How hard is cp2 em4 with bro

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I might try that for 40 heat

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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How much do you like dying in tartarus

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Why

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Would u pick cp2 and em4

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Maybe not then

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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For 40

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Well bro

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Beo*

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Masochist

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Maybe not

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Cp2 is bad

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Especially on em4

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Cp2 very bad

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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How much is it per rank?

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 8:39 PM

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15%

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30% at max

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Mmm 80k em4 hades very pog

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itchy

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 8:40 PM

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With health regen

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:40 PM

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I guess not then

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:42 PM

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Zag: Uses Eris boosted Heart Rend full Arty call

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CP2 EM4 dad: All that for a drop of blood

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heals

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:42 PM

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alright i just got comboed out of existence by a megagorgon, what's the usual 16 heat setup for chiron?

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Cant u do 16 heat with just em3 and timer and like a light sprinkle and drizzle of 1 heat pacts

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:43 PM

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Turn off hard labor and then figure out what you want to practice

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Yeah you should have EM3, MM, timer, and probably UC on

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:43 PM

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wdym what i want to practice?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:43 PM

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And at least one rank in BP

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So the big jumps to 32: Getting used to EM3, getting used to TD3, getting used to LC4, getting used to either FO or HL

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I recommend doing all of these in sequence, not simultaneously

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Just beat the world record

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:44 PM

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hallow cave Just beat the world record

ez

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:44 PM

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Your base pact should include EM3 MM TD and BP

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You don't have to play with BP2 on but I would

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With UC that's your pact

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:45 PM

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how bout this

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Chiron

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:45 PM

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bruh you cant post screenshots

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:45 PM

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U can link photos

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Yeah you can do links, just not uploads

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:45 PM

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Send it on a chat where u can then link it to this server

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:46 PM

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imma put it on imgur

hallow cave Jul 21, 2021, 8:46 PM

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That takes too long

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Just send it to any disc chat

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Then link it here

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:47 PM

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how do i link it

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 8:48 PM

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Copy the image link and post it here

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:48 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853264338512642049/867508148990246922/unknown.png

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Seems solid

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:49 PM

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it's 18 heat but i gotta practice 7 minutes at least

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Turn off a rank of bp

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:50 PM

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the second rank is 3 heat

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so i have 15

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also can you do 16 heat to get the 8 heat and the 16 heat statues?

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 8:51 PM

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You can add one heat in hl or cf or whatever

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Yeah

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 8:52 PM

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nice!

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alright here we go

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:54 PM

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After this run id put at least fo1 on

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:54 PM

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I genuinely hate Benefits Package lol

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:55 PM

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It’s kinda annoying

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Especially the teleporting guys

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Makes Elysium a nightmare for me

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:55 PM

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Same

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

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its good to get used to

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Still a pain even when your kinda used to it

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Yeah. I dont think I've ever made it to Hades with it on

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:15 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867515060159119410/unknown.png

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is this a bad setup for 40 heat?

waxen relic Jul 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Don't do em4 at 40 even if its beo.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Yeah I think HL5 JS2 is easier

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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i kinda wanna do em4 tho

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maybe ill on 20

waxen relic Jul 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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And learn not to step into traps. squirtnya

narrow carbon Jul 21, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Besides changing to EM3, reducing CF also helps

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:19 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867515060159119410/unknown.png

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this better?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 9:20 PM

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Do CF0 on Beowulf.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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what should i replace it with?

narrow carbon Jul 21, 2021, 9:21 PM

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They’re the same picture

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CP1, JS2 are okay. HS takes getting used to

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:22 PM

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oh awit

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867516974963621908/unknown.png

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this is what i had

narrow carbon Jul 21, 2021, 9:23 PM

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JS3 can be hard on timer, especially in Elysium

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:24 PM

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so should i replace that with HS?

narrow carbon Jul 21, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Yeah, you’ll die a lot then get used to it

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:25 PM

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alright

narrow carbon Jul 21, 2021, 9:25 PM

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CP1 is okay too if HS too annoying

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Hmm. I might have to try out thay setup

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Not sure why you're not taking HS tbh.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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Oh nvm. I hate timers AAAA

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 9:26 PM

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TD3 is gonna be way easier than putting the 6 Heat somewhere else.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 9:27 PM

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What heat are you normally pushing

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If you don't like TD or benefits package the options are pretty limited

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 9:27 PM

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Uh. Lemme look here. I'm at work so

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Oh I cant post pics

next acorn Jul 21, 2021, 9:31 PM

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what wrong ith Beo EM4

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 9:33 PM

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Okay. The normal Hell Mode defaults, plus convenience fee FULL, Middle Management, Damage Control FULL, and Extreme Measures usually full. I think when I take it down to EM3, I take Approval Process or Routine Inspection (whichever limits your choices) and Forced Overtime.

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I tried a run with Hard Labor maxed but literally got turned inside out by either Hades or Hydra

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 9:37 PM

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The pact is gonna matter less than practice.

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 9:40 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/853264338512642049/867521343859458088/unknown.png

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first 16 heat clear :)

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 9:40 PM

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Yeah. I'm pretty noob

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 9:44 PM

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noice

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 9:55 PM

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It's not impossible to do high heat without TD, but you're gonna want to do at least TD2, or you'll make things a lot harder than they need to be.

elfin rock Jul 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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why no DC

jaunty falcon Jul 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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DC is a trap, it's a lot harder than it seems

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It slows down rooms a ton

elfin rock Jul 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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oh

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i use it all the time

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especially with fists/sword

jaunty falcon Jul 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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I used to as well

elfin rock Jul 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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but if u got zeus fists

jaunty falcon Jul 21, 2021, 9:59 PM

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It's okay if you are using lightning strike, but even then it's not ideal

elfin rock Jul 21, 2021, 10:00 PM

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it makes dc

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yea

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i see

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i dont really aim for speed tho

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:01 PM

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It's not just speed. Your first two hits aren't gonna stun enemies.

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And you can't one-shot enemies with your Dash-Upper.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 10:02 PM

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ivory plank first 16 heat clear :)

Grats!

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:02 PM

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And your Casts aren't gonna do anything.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 10:03 PM

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Making big leaps of heat into 32 is going to be really punishing and it's often even worse with the wrong pact options

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At a certain point the play style has to adapt, you can get by without common choices but it usually takes a lot longer and the runs are quite punishing

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Practice remains the most important thing

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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shy plinth Grats!

thank you! first step towards 32 heat on all weapons :)

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 10:06 PM

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I found that working my way up in chunks was effective

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Jumped from 16 to 32 to get the statue and it was very tough, couldn't consistently clear on anything

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Lowered to mid 20s and took steps and then cleared everything eventually

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Learned fo2, learned lc4, got there

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:08 PM

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Just finishing your bounties with a weapon is gonna teach you a lot.

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Yeah

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I chased the thirst and cleared out all the bounties

ivory plank Jul 21, 2021, 10:10 PM

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yep, for sure! my plan is to learn em3, lc4, fo2, et cetera, finish bounties for all weapons, and proceed from there

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:10 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867529008476454942/unknown.png into elysium on 40

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Good pace

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:11 PM

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should i sell red dying lament or grey lighting reflex?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Lightning Reflex.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:11 PM

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ok

shy plinth Jul 21, 2021, 10:11 PM

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Reflex seems ez sell

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Dying Lament is amazing in Styx.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:12 PM

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is reflex good?

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also damn, the chariots are deadly af

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:14 PM

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Lightning Reflex is fine. Way better if you have Static Discharge.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:16 PM

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alright

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867530400749453342/unknown.png

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what should i be trying to get here?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:23 PM

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All of them are decent.

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 10:24 PM

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How I personally transitioned is to introduce the hard gameplay changing pacts individually like LC4, then FO2, then TD3

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:24 PM

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asterius is litterally a chariot

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i cant outrun his charge

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Don’t remember the order but I built on top of each other, practice pacts aren’t optimal for that heat they add up to but it is valuable practice

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:24 PM

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Yeah, well. Don't try to outrun him.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:25 PM

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time to start again

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 10:25 PM

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autumn ginkgo asterius is litterally a chariot

bring him to a wall or a pillar then dash through him he should hit it, at least thats how i do it

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Yeah, i just kinda stressed out and ran into the pillar without going through and he gored me

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:26 PM

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Or just away at the last moment. And if you're between two pillars or between a pillar and a wall, dash through him when he comes at you. He'll crash trying to turn around.

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Trying to dash through a pillar is gonna go bad more often than not.

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If you don't time it right, he'll just zoom around the pillar.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:30 PM

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should i take poseidon or athena?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:35 PM

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If the timer is fine, Lady Athena.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 10:41 PM

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I probably need to try some runs with lasting Consequences maxed out.

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How are you avoiding damage in Elysium with the enemies having 40% more speed stats? @autumn ginkgo

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Answer:~~ I'm not~~ stay far back, usually by this time i have a pretty op build so i can kinda dodge one or two attacks then kill them

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if theyre are flame wheels, i cry

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if there is asterius, i cry

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if there is anyone else they die

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 10:45 PM

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LOL. Well alright

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 10:45 PM

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is it ok to force athena in like asphodel even though its not in your build just for the extra dd? cus i kept dying in 40 heat might need that one extra dd, thing is i dont use athena in any of my builds

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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patent sinew How are you avoiding damage in Elysium with the enemies having 40% more speed st...

basically what i do is stay back, if i can kind of pick them off one by one till i can go in and kill the rest without getting mobbed by all of them

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:50 PM

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feral forum is it ok to force athena in like asphodel even though its not in your build just...

Yes. But you'll need a priority boon from her.

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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guess ill take the dash for safety measures for now

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sword at 40 heat is so hard lmao

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:51 PM

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If you're not speedrunning and you don't have AP2, it's pretty much always the right choice to take the Owl Pendant into Asphodel for DDs at high heat.

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bablo started most of his runs with the Owl Pendant for his 40 heat all aspects streak.

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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ah i see

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:52 PM

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Or rather.

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40 Heat all aspects x2 streak.

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48 wins.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 10:53 PM

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That makes a lot of sense. I forgot she had boons that restore your DD

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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48 wins on 40 heat seems legit impossible

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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His streak is linked on the leaderboard far to the right in the multi run sheet. Might be good to take a look at the pacts he used for any aspects you're trying, his setups are excellent for consistency.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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like you have to get a run in there where you just get unlucky right?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:54 PM

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That's why he's starting with the Owl Pendant.

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And adjusted his pacts to rely more on skill than on luck.

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If bad rooms in Tartarus mean you might time out with the aspect with that pact, then you don't do TD3 with that in a streak.

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But if you're not trying to streak, it's fine. You just reset and do it again and have an easier time after that because you didn't have to find 3 Heat elsewhere.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 10:57 PM

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Yeah. If I had any molecule of skill to the game, I'd have beaten it at 32 heat by now. I just get to Hades and have ZERO damage. I eventually slip up and die to him.

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SadMonke

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 10:58 PM

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Well, what's your pact, aspect, and strategy?

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:01 PM

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My strategy is to get to Hades. My aspect is different each run. I did most of my runs prior to 32 heat with the sword. Zag Aspect. Then Arthur when I unlocked it.

I beat it at 16 beat with Arthur, but I havent tried it at 32 with Arthur yet. Seems like I'd swing too slow, but I might give it a try tonight. Pact conditions I'd need to go look up

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I play on Hell Mode, so the default 5. Then I know for sure I use EM4

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:02 PM

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"Get to Hades" isn't a strategy, that's a goal. dusa

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Yeah. Im a noob. I dont go with a game plan. Just take my boons or Darkness and cry at the boss

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Any pact with EM4 at 32 is gonna be way more difficult than without EM4.

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Excalibur is amazing at 32 Heat, just don't take FO2.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Which setup would you suggest for the sword?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

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That.

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If you don't like the timer too much, you can do TD2 instead.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

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God. I'm scared to try Stubborn Defiance

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

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is cluster rocket better or triple rocket on hestia?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:05 PM

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Everyone is at first, but there's a reason that LC4 with Stubborn Defiance is the meta at high heat.

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It's easier than getting the 4 Heat elsewhere.

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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autumn ginkgo is cluster rocket better or triple rocket on hestia?

Cluster Rockets.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Oh you're right

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Okay, I'll try that out

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:06 PM

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In fact, Triple Bomb and Rocket Bomb individually are better than in combination.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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really?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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@patent sinew do you know about getting DDs from Lady Athena when running Stubborn Defiance?

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Previously, I would just build to be a tank. But I dunno what to do with Excalibur at 32 heat

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Can I still be a tank?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:07 PM

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Well, the same thing really.

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Heartbreak Strike has high damage and applies Weak.

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Then you get Divine Dash and/or Zeus' Aid and look for DDs and Smoldering Air.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:08 PM

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mossy zinc <@!137804055585095680> do you know about getting DDs from Lady Athena when runni...

No, I didnt know about that. So you can cheat?

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:08 PM

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It's not a cheat.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:08 PM

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~~cheating~~ creative use of game mechanics

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:08 PM

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its not a bug its a feature

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:09 PM

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If you lose your SD in the chamber before picking up her Last Stand or Deathless Stand, she will "replenish" a DD, and then in the next chamber, you get your SD back like normal.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Yeah it says Replenishes DD. It's cheating, but I like it

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:09 PM

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So you'll have both, and your SD is used first always.

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It's not cheating.

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It was a bug, the devs learned about it from us here, they decided to leave it in.

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So it's a feature.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Im not saying it like it's bad bro

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Sis if anything.

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Well, "cheating" implies that.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Moving on.

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Yeah, I'll try that out

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 11:11 PM

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You have to have a core boon from her though (usually the dash in practice)

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Or you won’t be offered an Athena DD

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Yeah, I usually get it so I'll just do take my usual boons

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Pretty much.

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Just never thought that mechanic would exist

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Make sure you check Wells of Charon for Touches of Styx.

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 11:12 PM

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patent sinew Just never thought that mechanic would exist

Most people never use stubborn defiance except for prophecy is why, it’s mostly useful for LC4 at high heat

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Time to be a tank again.

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SadMonke goaClap

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:13 PM

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or you can be a mad man and instead take HL5 and then take FO2 but LC0

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:14 PM

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Someone take this man's internet

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cmonBruh

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Why not just do HL5 LC4 FO2?

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Mirrorless.

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:15 PM

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exactly

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then do EM4 for icing

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:17 PM

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OH COME ON

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i thought the timer stopped if you hit 1 health

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:17 PM

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No.

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 11:17 PM

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No it kills you

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:18 PM

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i died to timer just as i knocked theseus off his chariot

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Elysium is like that sometimes

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:18 PM

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and i could could hear him calling on olympus after i died

unique zephyr Jul 21, 2021, 11:19 PM

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If it makes you feel better you weren’t that close to winning

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:19 PM

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... true but it still hurts

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Oh, I didn't have HL5 on. Guess I'll have to redo it sometime. dusa https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/787460122481393674/Hades_1239.png

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:20 PM

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man i can never do high heat gy

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Sure you can.

mossy zinc Jul 21, 2021, 11:21 PM

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mossy zinc Oh, I didn't have HL5 on. Guess I'll have to redo it sometime. <:dusa:5222487714...

@patent sinew try this pact. Easy 32 first try. squirtdevious

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:21 PM

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I have never gotten Second Wave. I usually have Tidal Dash

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I cant do Spear, but I'll try it with my sword

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:22 PM

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mossy zinc Oh, I didn't have HL5 on. Guess I'll have to redo it sometime. <:dusa:5222487714...

wait what the, knockback gy ima try that sometime later lmao

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:22 PM

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mossy zinc Oh, I didn't have HL5 on. Guess I'll have to redo it sometime. <:dusa:5222487714...

how in the world

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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autumn ginkgo how in the world

thats nya for you lmao

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only the most cursed builds

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Dude said "F the mirror"

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Who needs a mirror when you have guan yu

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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special go brr

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:23 PM

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Oh yeah. It heals. Might actually be decent

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Man, I'll give it a shot

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@mossy zinc What's that Keepsake?

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Evergreen acorn

feral forum Jul 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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acorn

pseudo kernel Jul 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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From eurydice

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Oh. Looked like a kettle

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I'll level that up I guess.

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:27 PM

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yes

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wait

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how have you been fighting em4 without acorn?

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Well, I've been dying at 32 heat. But at 16, it was pretty easy

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At 32, I've legit just not been doing much damage. My boons are lacking

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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youve been doing sword builds right?

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:29 PM

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Yeah. Not with Excalibur yet. I thought I'd be too slow

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Used Ex for the 16 run

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:30 PM

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ex can work on 32, just gotta turn down fo

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what build did you use for excalibur on 16?

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:31 PM

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I dunno. I'd have to look it up, but DEFINITELY used Aphrodite.

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And my Keepsake was the one that gives you 30% damage reduction from the front

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Probably had Tidal Dash

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:32 PM

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i would not use the myrmidion bracer. Aphro is pretty good on excalibur

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Yeah that was at 16 heat. Was just being a tanky bot

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Boy

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:33 PM

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i would say if you want to get very good dps there is 2 builds that'll probably be good enough

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or 3 if you use poseidon

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Yeah lemme see the builds

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Merciful end works by insta procking doom effects when you use abilities that deflect with athena. if you get ares attack/athena special and dash you can get crazy dps

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use that on nemesis or zagreus

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or fists

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Oh yeah. I used the one that Continuously procs Doom

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I haven't found the insta proc yet

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:35 PM

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on excalibur you can do artemis on attack and aphrodite on special/dash, and try for the duo heartrend which makes weak enemies take more crit damage
OR you can take aphro attack and special and try and get the zeus duo smoldering air for automatic call charge up. that + plus billowing which gives a global damage increase after you use call

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On poseidon if you want to use casts you can basically use almost any of them. Hunting blades are good, the demeter casts that track are good. You might be able to do something with festive fog idk

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Is there a build that will let me deflect at all times? I had the fists and was at Hades and was able to sit in his face and attack whenever he did his two melee strikes pretty consistently, but I feel like if I had more attack speed, I could just attack forever

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Deflect forever

autumn ginkgo Jul 21, 2021, 11:38 PM

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probably fists attack=deflect and dash-deflect

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i dont htink you could really go further than that

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maybe improbe attack speed with hermes

patent sinew Jul 21, 2021, 11:38 PM

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Yeah. It was pretty cool

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Not even dodging

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But I trusted my fists too much and got chopped eventually

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Imma copy paste your builds and put them in my phone

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:02 AM

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Also. Is there some kind of rubberband bug with the Special on The Sword that makes you jump to a location?

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If it's not a bug, can someone explain to me what is happening so I can learn to control it better. I just see myself teleporting

left prism Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 AM

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i think that is a hammer no? i remember one with that effect

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Yeah.

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 AM

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uh theres a hammer that does that

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are you using said hammer?

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Yeah

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No one else has had this issue?

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 12:04 AM

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then thats happening because your using the hammer

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i think?

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can you describe it more?

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:05 AM

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I think I said all at that happens. There's something like "rubberbanding" happening

jaunty falcon Jul 22, 2021, 12:05 AM

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No, its when you special then dash

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It looks like you leap across the room

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:06 AM

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Yeah something like that. I just end up teleporting around to places I didnt want to go

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But that might make more sense. I could have turned to attack while dashing out of it and it surged me forward

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Or snapped me to where I was supposed to land my special. Not really sure

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 12:10 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjVvw9dpso skip to 51:10

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thats what it should look like

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Yeah.

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I guess I'll have to get my clip when I get home.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:44 AM

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@jaunty falcon Do you know what you had to clear 32 Heat with Arthur Aspect in 9 minutes?

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Oh nvm. Forget the timing. I misread. How did you clear 32 Heat with Arthur?

dusky creek Jul 22, 2021, 12:46 AM

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I'm curious as well

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 12:48 AM

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You can find link to videos in the pinned leaderboard.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 12:49 AM

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Damn I keep forgetting pins are a thing.

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Let's have a look

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Arthur is fast

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Like the attacks have slow speeds but the damage more than makes up for it

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 3:06 AM

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chonky

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 3:08 AM

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shy plinth Arthur is fast

Errrr....

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No. dusa

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Yes!

next acorn Jul 22, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Isn’t Arthur one of the worst speedruning weapons

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:09 AM

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To a point

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Just like... you're not going to be time-limited with arthur at 32

next acorn Jul 22, 2021, 3:09 AM

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It’s so weird how different the meta for high heat and speed weapons is

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Speedrunning cares about animation time

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Rama is one of the worst speedrun weapons

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At least at anyheat

next acorn Jul 22, 2021, 3:10 AM

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Yeah

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But one of the best high heat

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Like

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You would think it would be at least decent

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But no second to last sub 7

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Well it's just magnil

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Oh wait rama

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Scalarmotion

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What a run too

next acorn Jul 22, 2021, 3:11 AM

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Barge bouldy

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:13 AM

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https://twitter.com/RidiculousHat/status/1409043138447020032 This was an arthur strat that worked lol

Ridiculous Hat (@RidiculousHat)

sometimes everything just... works. and this was arthur so the dash strike damage was absurd. billow and rip current were both styx pickups

next acorn Jul 22, 2021, 3:14 AM

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Is Arthur dash strike what your supposed to be doing?

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

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kinda ig, you can attack dash cancel as well

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:17 AM

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Oh my god I've never seen Billowing Strength before. That had to get ridiculous with Smoldering Air

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:20 AM

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Yes

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I mean you can see the time

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In general my arthur runs are sub 15 minute tho @ 32

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:22 AM

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My runs were around 50 minutes when I was invested in the story. To 20ish minutes when I was using Heat. I dont think I'm built for speed

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I think I may HAVE to do EM4 if I'm not trying to do TD

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:29 AM

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No you just need to practice the techniques

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It's not built for speed, it's understanding how to be fast

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Efficiency of movement, understanding of timer mechanics, and focus

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Too casual for that. I'll tank

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:30 AM

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It's gonna be practice either way

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The easiest way is to learn directly, not brute force other options

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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I was training on Skully and realized that I dont even know how to Dash Strike properly

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Essentially, my Dash Strikes have all just been luck I guess.

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SadMonke goaClap

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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You haven't been pressing dash and strike simultaneously?

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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I have been mashing both of the buttons

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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Yeah that's a dash strike

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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It has a different animation

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So, for a long time, I thought I had been dash striking 100% of the time, when in actuality, I've been doing it like 50% of the time.

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I'll dash, then the attack comes out. Then I might actually pull off the dash strike properly. Or I'll dash and attack separately.

So I can do it every time if I just press both buttons at the exact same time?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Are you talking about arthur specifically

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Because arthur has unique mechanics here

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Oh really.

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Yes

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:36 AM

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Maybe I've been doing it right with the other weapons then

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:36 AM

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What you usually want to do with arthur is "dragging dash" - you get to maintain the sword combo and dash in between

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Attack, dash, attack, dash, attack alternated

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You get to dash and keep your big sweep

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:36 AM

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So dont dash strike?

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Or don't attempt the dash strike?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:38 AM

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I have found it to be more effective to keep the sword combo going but there is no hard and fast rule

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https://www.twitch.tv/videos/861550385

Twitch

11:12 IGT- Aspect of Arthur 40 Heat - peachhead00 on Twitch

peachhead00 went live on Twitch. Catch up on their Hades VOD now.

▶ Play video

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Peach is the Arthur king

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This is worth watching if you want to see it in action

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What I recommend focusing on is the accuracy of his movement

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There are no wasted moves

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:39 AM

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Hmm. I'll watch it when I can. All I've been doing is mashing dash and mashing attack

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:39 AM

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So I know you said you were casual earlier, but if you're in the high heat channel asking intentional questions about how to improve there's at least some desire to learn with purpose

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There are ways to do that and then you get to move away from mashing and move towards executing a plan

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:41 AM

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I just want to see how others did it. What they did and so forth. When the way to win stops being fun for me, I lose interest.

So, if there are no ways to play High Heat Arthur that are fun for me, I'll probably stop attempting it

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For me, fun is how I'vr been playing. Ramming my face into mobs and getting to the bosses

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Depends on what you mean by high heat in this context. for 32, you can basically do anything under the sun with arthur and it will work

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:43 AM

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Alright. I'll give it a shot. I know it was kind of challenging beating EM4 with Arthur at 16 heat. So I haven't attempted a 32 heat run yet.

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Not with Arthur at least. I always felt like I'd attack too slow

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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32 has a lot of flexibility

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I think TD is easier than you're giving it credit for but some people get in their own heads a lot

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:45 AM

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I tried it with other weapons and just wasnt enjoying myself. When I got to Hades, I also didnt have many good Boons

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I'll give it a try with Arthur tonight tho

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 3:45 AM

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do you have a game plan going to hades?

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like at the very least a build

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:45 AM

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I did at 16 heat. Which was be a tank

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 3:46 AM

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oh-

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:46 AM

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Super casual I'm telling you

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I've been holding back on Arthur on the 32 heat run because I know that if I lose miserably, I wont want to play anymore.

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goaKEKW

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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I guess the question then is why push heat

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Just play what you want

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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Trophies. cmonBruh

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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There's no achievement past 16

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There's the skelly statue but no steam achievement or whatever

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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Oh really?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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Yeah they didn't want people to feel like they had to do it for the steam cheevo

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It's in game for the statue only

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:49 AM

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SadMonke

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Agreed. IMO one the things that makes Hades so so beautiful is that it really can just be played however you want for the fun of it and there's a way to tune the game for that. However that is for you at the moment, or the future.

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 3:49 AM

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shy plinth It's in game for the statue only

yes a beautiful statue

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:50 AM

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I will attempt it at 32 with Arthur because I like a challenge. It was the entire reason I started at Hell Mode

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:50 AM

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It is indeed

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The game is pretty hard

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Starting hell mode seems needlessly punishing imo

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But too late to go back now

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:50 AM

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But if it's too hard or miserable for me, at least I know that Im not missing out

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 3:50 AM

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i have yet to try hell mode, just cus i want to finish 40 heat first maybe 50 when im confident enough

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:51 AM

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shy plinth Starting hell mode seems needlessly punishing imo

Yeah. My friend was streaming the game before I bought it, and I thought it looked too easy. So I started at Hell Mode to have more fun

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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A bold assumption

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Tune the pact to what you find enjoyable about the game. If that's facetanking and thumping the crud out of enemies, then go for it and that's absolutely fine. And there's a pact for that at 32. 🙂

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Would be curious what your experience would have been like without it

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Either way it seems like you're enjoying it so I'm glad it worked out

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But it's so grindy with hell mode on

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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It actually wasnt grindy for me, unless you mean something else

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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the entire heat system readily puts to rest any notions of the game being too easy if that's a concern haha

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:53 AM

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Didn't you say you had 50 minute runs?

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That's a long time to spend in a run, CP1 and JS1 make a big difference there

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:53 AM

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Yeah, but I was walking around. Looking at things. Taking my time

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 3:53 AM

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Eh, I'll say that I used to have 50 minute runs and I had a good time doing it.

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:53 AM

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Not saying it's not enjoyable

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Just a big time investment

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:53 AM

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I would look at boons for like 2 minutes at the final chamber

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:54 AM

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Boons stop the clock

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:54 AM

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No the shop thing

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:54 AM

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And the in-between biome rooms do too

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At end shop?

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Yeah. By Cerberus

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Ah

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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And I would do the same any time I saw Charon. I just took my time playing

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Well either way there's plenty of good advice to be had here if you want to push heat but also there'll need to be some flexibility in your approach to the game if what you're currently doing isn't getting you there

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Up to you to decide if that means pushing heat is for you or not, the most important thing by far is practice

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The more you play, the better you'll get, no matter what you're trying to do

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Yeah, for sure. That's why I wanted to see others builds. To see if any of them were similar to something I already do

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I think one guy had a tank build for me, so I'll attempt that

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Is the hammer upgrade that lets you hold attack removed when using Arthur?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 3:59 AM

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There's not really gonna be a way to do high heat with just getting hit all the time

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Flurry jab is not available on arthur

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 3:59 AM

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personally i think the game gets even more fun when you make an active effort to learn and avoid enemy attacks but to each their own i suppose

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 4:00 AM

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patent sinew Is the hammer upgrade that lets you hold attack removed when using Arthur?

i meant yes

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i thought the question was is it not removed bruh my eyes

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but yeah what tailesque says, its way more fun to learn the animation and tells of an enemy and actively try to dodge it

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:01 AM

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I agree Tailesque. It's not like I havent learned patterns and whatnot. I generally make it to Hades. I guess my main thing is learning the boon strats

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:01 AM

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I promise the main thing that you have to learn is precision

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It's movement and combat

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Boons and builds are nice but at 32 you don't need anything special

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:02 AM

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True. If I wanted to, I could just chip away at Hades and win. That just isnt fun to me. My brain wont do it

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 4:02 AM

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yep i finished 32 doing a nemesis with demeter atk and dash cus i messed up my early build

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:02 AM

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What do you mean chip away

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Like all I'm suggesting is when he sweeps press the dash button

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You can still do a ton of damage

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:03 AM

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you can be plenty aggressive while still avoiding falling into a total "tank" mentality/playstyle

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 4:03 AM

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I think many ppl will tell you dmg is super impt. I'd argue the longer a fight goes the more dmg you'll take, esp vs dad.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:03 AM

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Dude is tanky. Like I said, I havent tried it with Arthur at 32, but the other builds, I didnt have much damage

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:04 AM

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which attack boons or hammers do you usually take?

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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I actually had a feasible buikd with the fists, but I messed up horribly. Ran Deflect on the attack and tried to face tank

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I think I took the attack that Weakens your enemies and Tidal Dash normally. (16 heat) and I cant remember which hammers I get. I try to get the one with bigger aoe special

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I g2g back to work for a sec. Brb

feral forum Jul 22, 2021, 4:07 AM

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patent sinew I actually had a feasible buikd with the fists, but I messed up horribly. Ran De...

athena atk? going for deadly reversal?

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Im back. Im not going for anything honestly.

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Aside from being a tank

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Okay I have to ask

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What does tank mean

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:09 AM

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Damage reduction.

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So, I take the trinket that gives 30% reduction from the front

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:10 AM

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that isn't a build as much as it is a type of meme run, really

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Well, I dunno how many times I gotta say it.

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I'm pretty casual. SadMonke

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 4:10 AM

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Hat will attest that I recently cleared 32 EM4 FO2 with Arthur, and that Arthur is an aspect I'm extremely uncomfortable with. If this is something you want to do, and is something you're going to find enjoyment in doing, I think you can do it. Is it?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:11 AM

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https://youtu.be/eZ1PoGldEHs?t=513

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This is what a dad fight will look like if you build for damage

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Question I have is if this looks fun

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If it does, we can help

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:11 AM

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32+ heat isn't exactly marketed towards casual players, especially those who self-proclaim to be that

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i dunno what to say, really

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:11 AM

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If not, feel free to focus on your damage reduction runs but I admit I am confused by the approach of coming into the high heat channel and refusing to change your play pattern

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I didnt refuse to change anything

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But lemme go one at a time.

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:12 AM

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The video is timestamped for the dad fight, pretty quick watch

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Just curious if your runs look like that because it's entirely possible to build for damage and it's way safer

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If the fight is over, he can't hurt you

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:12 AM

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going entirely for damage reduction in terms of boons is, unsurprisingly, going to leave much to be desired in terms of damage

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which seems to be an issue you are having

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:13 AM

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magic pier Hat will attest that I recently cleared 32 EM4 FO2 with Arthur, and that Arthur ...

That run was sick btw

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Nemesis is the one with crit right?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Yes

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:13 AM

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I pretty much used that until I got Arthur

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Mighy try it again. I just have more fun with Arthur

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Arthur can get you there too, you just have to take damage boons

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:14 AM

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stuff like artemis or aphrodite attack, shadow slash, breaching slash, etc.

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 4:15 AM

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If you're looking to build up dmg reduction, and you're regularly making it to dad, then I'd suggest that 1) sure, Aph attacak is a great place to start, and then piling on more dmg avenues like Zeus call/Smoldering, and making sure you're running Boiling Blood and putting those in to your priority targets 2) Acorn is going to get you a lot more dmg reduction mileage than Bracer in the dad fight.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:15 AM

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daring hedge going entirely for damage reduction in terms of boons is, unsurprisingly, going ...

I haven't attempted a 32 run with Arthur so I dont know my damage output. I was saying that about the other weapons I tried. But you're right, if it's the same end result, I'll have to stop trying my build

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:15 AM

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Yeah acorn is like an effective 200+ life

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:16 AM

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I'll try out the acorn. I've never used it before.

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:16 AM

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It stops the first 5 hits you take from a boss

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If those are all sweeps that is 200 damage

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:16 AM

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Do the minor enemies in the room proc it?

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 4:17 AM

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Yes

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:18 AM

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If you want to do Excalibur 32 with an eHP build, and you're not good at going fast, do TD2 instead of TD3, and don't do EM4.

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:18 AM

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doing a pure "tank" build in hades is really rather niche, and doesn't exactly cut it once you start building heat, because you have better dodging skills by then and enemies will hit harder+faster

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:18 AM

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And take FO0 if you're saying you're a casual player.

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 4:18 AM

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patent sinew Do the minor enemies in the room proc it?

Yeah, but I'd argue that the summons are yet another reason not to run Bracer with a melee aspect.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:19 AM

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So take off FO. What would I replace that heat with?

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:19 AM

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What? Myrmidon Bracer on Excalibur is amazing if you're stacking damage reduction and dodge chance.

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 4:19 AM

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I've certainly had tremendous success with Bracer vs EM dad but only specifically with bow builds designed to hover near the edges in that fight.

magic pier Jul 22, 2021, 4:20 AM

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mossy zinc What? Myrmidon Bracer on Excalibur is amazing if you're stacking damage reductio...

True enough.

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I concede my error there.

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:20 AM

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Acorn drops in value as your damage reduction goes up.

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Bracer goes up in value instead.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:21 AM

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This is the one who will get me my statue

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serious goaClap

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But nah. I will try out using Stubborn Defiance too. I remember some people suggesting that

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:22 AM

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HL5 LC4 CF2 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM UC AP1 TD2.

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You could try something like that.

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 AM

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they have a hell mode file

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Oh right.

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 AM

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so CP1 and PL as well

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Yeah, drop CF2 to CF0 then.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Alright.

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Or AP1 to AP0.

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Whichever you prefer.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I dont even know what they mean. I'll have to pull up a legend here in a bit.

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I'd take Abyssal Blood rather than Boiling Blood if you want to go full tank build, but Boiling Blood is fine, too, for some better DPS.

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There's a legend in the pins.

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But, I wrote all of them in order, and they're just initialisms for the pacts.

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HL = Hard Labor

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Etc.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:25 AM

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I think Im on Abyssal.

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What does that do again?

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Enemies that have your cast lodged in them do less damage and are slowed down.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:25 AM

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Oh yeah

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Boiling Blood instead makes your Attack and Special do +50% damage to enemies with a cast lodged in them.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:26 AM

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And I get the boons that make me take less damage when I have no casts

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Dont know which god grants them tho

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Ravenous Will from Lady Demeter.

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If you happen to get that. There are a variety of ways to get eHP. Start with courte5EternalRose for Heartbreak Strike and easy access to Life Affirmation and more damage reduction from her.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:27 AM

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M'lady. :Rose:

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Alrighty. I'll give it a whirl tonight

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You guys made me much more confident in trying Arthur out at 32.

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 AM

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And don't be too focused on just eHP.

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If Lord Hermes offers you Greatest Reflex, take it.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Which one is that

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 AM

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more dashes

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Oh yeah. I get that

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:28 AM

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More dashes means more i-frames.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:29 AM

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Mostly because I am obsessed with Tidal Dash

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I love ramming people into walls

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So I guess I should ask what mirror things to get. I have the one y
That gives more dashes, but I'd imagine the other one is better

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Honestly, both are good on Excalibur.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:30 AM

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Gotcha.

hallow cave Jul 22, 2021, 4:30 AM

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patent sinew I love ramming people into walls

Bottom text

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 4:30 AM

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At least for what you're trying to do.

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 4:31 AM

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:Smirk:

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Oh. My emotes broke

hallow cave Jul 22, 2021, 4:31 AM

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Unlucky

next acorn Jul 22, 2021, 5:06 AM

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Sadge

patent sinew Jul 22, 2021, 11:35 AM

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autumn ginkgo thats what it should look like

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/247844564352630784/867731440334798878/Teleport.mp4

▶ Play video

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Finally remembered to post what I was talking about earlier

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:24 PM

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doing 40 heat on hestia with art attack, what other gods should i be going for otehr than poseidon for dash?

jaunty falcon Jul 22, 2021, 5:27 PM

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Athena for DDs

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I'd honestly do aphro attack for weak at high heat

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:28 PM

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yeah sorry im idiotic, i am using aphro attack

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i have aphro attack. poseidon dash, rn poseidon special

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i guess take athena call?

narrow carbon Jul 22, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Hestia doesn’t need much. I did Shackle throughout at 40. I also prefer Aphro. You could take a keepsake for a call - whether DPS with Zeus or Dio, or safety with Athena or Poseidon

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:29 PM

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alright

narrow carbon Jul 22, 2021, 5:31 PM

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Having a good special hammer can help, and getting lucky on Chaos boons to boost attack

waxen relic Jul 22, 2021, 5:32 PM

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Athena Call is good, but it won't unlock DDs. Before you try and roll for them.

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:32 PM

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ah ok

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going into elysium i have athena cast, pos speical and dash, aphro attack, ares call. Rocket bomb hammer and chaos attack damage %+

daring hedge Jul 22, 2021, 5:36 PM

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that's definitely a solid place to be going into elysium

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:37 PM

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just got cluster rockets

jaunty falcon Jul 22, 2021, 5:39 PM

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Epic

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:45 PM

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YES

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867824600616402964/unknown.png

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going to fight dad

shy plinth Jul 22, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Get em

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 5:52 PM

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COMEO NOE

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COME ON

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SECOND PHASE WITH 1/8 OF HIS HEALTH LEFT

clever moss Jul 22, 2021, 6:17 PM

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On 40 heat?

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Noooooo---

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So close

autumn ginkgo Jul 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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yeah

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i scuffed it and used my acorn too fast

clever moss Jul 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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shadegrief

reef furnace Jul 22, 2021, 7:20 PM

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GuraBruh

waxen relic Jul 22, 2021, 8:28 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/867865236794376222/20210722222423_1.jpg hmm Streaked Zag to Nem, no wonder if you get dedge and Reflex in Tart though.

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 8:29 PM

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Nice! courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

dusky creek Jul 22, 2021, 8:32 PM

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Aphrodite has so many good combos ^-^

mossy zinc Jul 22, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Lady Aphrodite is the best there is, the best there was, and the best there ever will be. courte5AphroHeart courte5DusaBond

autumn ginkgo Jul 23, 2021, 12:05 AM

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Finally got it

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/861453601263321099/867919925816217740/unknown.png

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40 heat on hestia done

jaunty falcon Jul 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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Well done! That's a juicy attack boon

autumn ginkgo Jul 23, 2021, 12:06 AM

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legit i got scammed on first aphro boon

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no attack

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then halfway through tartarus i got a grey one

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got saved by rare crop and sweet nectar

mossy zinc Jul 23, 2021, 12:17 AM

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Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, and Passion Dash are all great starts on Hestia.

autumn ginkgo Jul 23, 2021, 12:23 AM

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if im going to be honest i dont think i could've won if I wasn't using diving dash just because of how useful deflect is

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i probably should've taken heartbreak flourish however

next acorn Jul 23, 2021, 1:53 AM

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I’m struggling to think of what to do for Eris 50. For my 45 I did CF1 EM3 CP0 RI0 AP1 everything else maxed. I just don’t know what to add all of those seem pretty bad.

shy plinth Jul 23, 2021, 1:53 AM

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Heat's gotta come from somewhere

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I think people start leaning into ap2 around 50

next acorn Jul 23, 2021, 1:55 AM

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If I did do AP2 what would the last two come from?

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CF2 and CP1?

shy plinth Jul 23, 2021, 1:56 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/spAoYTc.png

Imgur

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This is a tail pact

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RI2

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Retrash is the literal best EM4 player on the planet so keep that in mind but he routinely does AP2 EM4

next acorn Jul 23, 2021, 1:58 AM

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AP2 just sounds like reset pain