h1-high-heat-strategies

[next acorn]

damage is damage

[waxen relic]

But trap damage is multiplicative

[next acorn]

what a way to get the kill though

[waxen relic]

If you have like 3 or 4 shards Miniboss Asterius can quickly knock himself out i think

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah shard for Asterius is lovely

One is enough to make the mini boss fight really fast

[honest kernel]

thanks for the tips 😌

[unique zephyr]

What traps are there in the asterius mini boss fight for him to get damaged by?

[honest kernel]

pillars

[next acorn]

the pillars maybe?

I did a smart

[unique zephyr]

My mind is blown

Over 400 hours and still getting my mind blown about this game

[honest kernel]

same theres a lot to know

[unique zephyr]

So just to be clear asterius hurts himself when he crashes into a pillar? I never noticed for some reason

[waxen relic]

https://clips.twitch.tv/MistySmoothLarkTinyFace-gpFD-d83QJgs2hbK

It's more about pillar destruction, which let's stuff fall down and deal the trapdamage

[next acorn]

nice

[unique zephyr]

Pillar destruction counts as trap damage when done to enemies? Neat

[heady olive]

its strange that pillar destruction doesnt damage the player lol

[unique zephyr]

I’m glad though

I’d have so many more heightened security related deaths if pillar destruction did affect the player

[heady olive]

yea the game would be harder for sure

[gaunt fiber]

yes, or when you hit the pillars when near him. It deals pretty good damage even without the shard tbh

[true fable]

shards are just coded very weirdly

why are they 6x multiplicative

https://clips.twitch.tv/TriumphantInnocentLobsterKeepo-RiF7ECkS4oBOIje_

usually 30 base dmg isnt noticeable

with two stygian shards (30*36) dad actually takes quite a bit of damage

three is enough to do some phasing stuff

[edgy arrow]

no idea but it’s absolutely hilarious

i did >20k damage to a naked exalted soul the other day

or, more accurately, an arrow trap did

10/10 would stygian shard again

[devout quiver]

whenever I take hourglass to Styx, there's not a single stygian thing to be found

[solemn pulsar]

well it's a stygian shard

you can get them in styx

just chip a little somethin off one of the sawblades

[edgy arrow]

it’s true

collect enough sawblade chips and you unlock the sawblade as a weapon

[pliant silo]

I thought I know the game but i have no idea what u are talking about xD Sawblade? collectable Shards? xD

[pseudo kernel]

Sawblade traps in styx and stygian shards from a well

[honest kernel]

they r jokin

[pseudo kernel]

Frick

[pliant silo]

no idea what stygian shards are

[gaunt fiber]

well of charon item

[devout quiver]

mfw Armored bonerakers ._.

Walked in to lernie pretty confident, then an off screen egg I didn't see hatched into a boneraker

[honest kernel]

scratchy

[true fable]

heavens vengeance owns them lol

[honest kernel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/850831725697171516/20210605_222110.jpg

my 55 experience so far

[next acorn]

Rip

Nice drawing though

[quartz mantle]

The ability to draw your own memes is a power unparalleled

Sick drawing btw

[gaunt fiber]

Nice drawing

[unique zephyr]

Epic drawing

AP2 much less epic

When do people choose AP2 vs RI2 for 50

For aspects

[limpid pecan]

Any reason to do heat higher than 32?

[unique zephyr]

Besides personal satisfaction, no

There isn’t an intrinsic benefit to going above 32 in the game

[honest kernel]

idk some aspects rly hate ri2 I heard

but ap2 poo

you dont need ri2 for 50 if you go fast tho

[pseudo kernel]

To prove that you are an epic gamer

[next acorn]

Gamers gaming

[unique zephyr]

Do I need EM4 to avoid RI2 or no

[spice lava]

no

[unique zephyr]

Only thing I can think of to avoid RI2 is AP2

[devout quiver]

you could if you want to though

[unique zephyr]

But I’m probably missing something

I don’t want to, is the thing

[spice lava]

RI0 means AP2 and a bit of JS/CP with EM3

[bright mango]

You’re doing 55?

Nice

[bright mango]

No but it’s going to be pretty painful otherwise

[devout quiver]

Em4 is EM-fun

as long as dying a lot is in your definition of fun

[unique zephyr]

I mean we’re high heat players so we already die a lot

But I do like how if I reach regular dad I just have to not choke

Not choking isn’t easy, sure, but it’s not like EM4 where your build was good enough for the rest of the run but sucks vs EM4

[honest kernel]

yeah so far im getting into elysium and die bc stupid

also most runs die early but thats expected

[honest kernel]

another run in elysium lost bc I ran into an arrow trap im punching the air

[vital grove]

You took an arrow to the knee, adventurer?

[honest kernel]

[mossy zinc]

I um.. I've never done 55, so I can't give any advice, but I what I do at low Heat (like 51, for example) is I don't run into arrow traps. I don't know if that's reasonable at high heat, but maybe you could try that!

[honest kernel]

[bright mango]

You’ll get there

I have no doubt about it

[honest kernel]

thanks 🙏

[heady olive]

yay im in elysium for the first time at 50 heat i think

wow i just got 2 calls denied by AP1 whyy

oof

had such a good run and lost to chariots :((

btw the strategy to deal with chariots and flame wheels is the same as the one for asterius right, go to a wall and dash through the enemy

[edgy arrow]

dashing through them is kinda dodge on FO2

dashing through cover is much more reliable, and will actually kill flamewheels for you

but you gotta do what you gotta do, and sometimes there’s no cover

so yeah it works but it wouldn’t be my first choice

[heady olive]

oh okay

thanks

[honest kernel]

I always go for covers vs chariots but whatch out especially with fo2 speeders they are drift kings

or stay far away enough for you to comfortably escape

[gaunt fiber]

Dashing through chariots is perfectly fine

It's another story if they're speeders

[heady olive]

made it to hades and ran out of time :( got to second (last) phase though

if i had a 2 sack oof

[honest kernel]

feels bad :(

[pseudo kernel]

F

[unique zephyr]

Toffel is your 55 with Rama?

[honest kernel]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

Chariots can't turn on the spot. So if you're between too obstacles and dash through the Chariot, they'll have trouble doing a 180°.

Same as Asterius.

The problem is usually dealing with each one in a way that you can also evade the others.

You can also get them stuck on each other.

Somewhat similar to making Asterius crash into Theseus.

[honest kernel]

"low Heat"

yeah sry this channel is only for people 52+ :/

[tidal flame]

5+? Yeah I'm qualified.

[mossy zinc]

My highest in 1.0 is 51. I can't do 55+ like you high heat players.

[solar orbit]

Just tried me 32 heat with zag gloves. Never again

Any tips? For the zag gloves?

[mossy zinc]

Merciful End on Zag Fists?

Why not just use Demeter Aspect?

Not that ME shouldn't work.

[solar orbit]

Haha i tried making a build

[mossy zinc]

What did you die to?

[solar orbit]

Hades

I blame the stupid vases

[mossy zinc]

Oh.

Then just do what you did and don't step into traps this time.

[solar orbit]

😃 ill try

[mossy zinc]

Was evidently working.

[unique zephyr]

If you had Heightened Security on you can easily avoid it at 32 heat

the vases are affected by HS if you didn't know

[teal moat]

bacchus i cant help but read your messages in skelly's voice

[edgy arrow]

oh boy

that didn’t happen to me before but it definitely will now

bacchus you should say “boyo” more often

[heady olive]

hmm with rama, should i go for aphro keepsake in lavaland (asphodel) if artemis didnt give me attack

since the attack boost of aphro is pretty high

[mossy zinc]

Yes. You should start with the Eternal Rose, in fact. 💕

[heady olive]

oh really

i thought arte start was better

[mossy zinc]

That's what evil propagandists and heathens want you to believe.

But love conquers everything.

[honest kernel]

dio start tho

[mossy zinc]

Lord Dionysus is not Lady Aphrodite.

So that makes no sense.

[gaunt fiber]

It is, because you either take the dash or the attack

[honest kernel]

artemis is def the best on ap2

[heady olive]

okay nice

i hope ill get aphro attack later when i resume playing

[mossy zinc]

Shackle is best on AP2.

[honest kernel]

hmm 🤔

I can try it

[jaunty falcon]

10 damage special arrows

[mossy zinc]

Deadly Strike has a way lower damage floor than Heartbreak Strike and only wins in average damage with % attack hammers, % attack boons, or a high rarity Hunter Dash. But Heartbreak Strike also leads to better Duo Boons for all the best Special boons. Master Chaos might not have you want. Point-blank Shot and Perfect Shot are the % attack hammers you can get, but the best attack hammers are Twin and Triple, which are base damage.

That is to say, Heartbreak Strike if you're not running AP2 leads to more reliably high damage and better Duo Boons.

[honest kernel]

I def like aphro more on non ap2

but ap2 makes all of these things a more narrow chance

[mossy zinc]

You'll just want some poms on Attack.

[honest kernel]

and artemis start is a 50/50 of getting a good bon right away

[mossy zinc]

Tbh I think if you want Deadly Strike and don't do AP2, starting with a good Special is probably better to get some early poms on that.

Since Lady Artemis doesn't have good pom scaling except for Hunter's Mark anyway.

[honest kernel]

non ap2 is always dio start for me yeah

but on ap2 hes gonna break my build right away without seeding

drunken strike or something

[mossy zinc]

m conflicted about Hunter Dash on Rama.

The damage is good, but you get no utility from your Dash.

[honest kernel]

im fine w using it

but divine is way more comfortable

[gaunt fiber]

the utility is killing anything that dares standing in front of you in one shot

not bad

also the dash strike base damage is 125, you kill most stuff in Tartarus really easily without needing an attack boon

so Deadly strike abysmal damage is fine

and the crit potential is insane for bosses

[mossy zinc]

The point is that your early poms go to waste.

[honest kernel]

I need dmg to be fast

[mossy zinc]

Is it though.

[heady olive]

doesnt boiling blood add 50% dmg

[mossy zinc]

Except that's not true. You're charging for ~800 ms and only after you dash around and apply your Special to a lot of enemies. You usually kill things with 1-2 attacks at that point anyway. Tidal Dash, for example, could have killed a lot of trash mobs during the whole process, making it a lot easier to avoid damage. Hunter Dash does nothing for all of that.

Boiling Blood does add +50% damage.

[heady olive]

then with the extra 50%, the dmg would be a lot higher than aphro

[mossy zinc]

No, it wouldn't be.

Heartbreak Strike has way better pom scaling. You'd about break even with just Family Favorite and Boiling Blood.

[jaunty falcon]

It needs more than 50%

To be better

[heady olive]

oh hmm

ill go aphro keepsake next time then

[mossy zinc]

There's also the fact that you probably don't apply Boiling Blood before every Attack.

So the average would be lower than +50%.

[heady olive]

yea

in asphodel, is it good to get keepsakes for duo boons?

[mossy zinc]

Which is also why I didn't bring up Shadow Presence, although that certainly favors Deadly Strike.

Yes, that's a good idea.

[honest kernel]

the aphrodite propaganda works

[heady olive]

haha

though i wanted to highroll and bet on rng artemis would be better lol

also smouldering air is such a strong boon so its a big upside for aphro

[mossy zinc]

Although for high heat without AP2, I'd first look at if I have a strong Special yet or have a god with a strong Special in my pool, then second I'd consider rolling for Smoldering Air vs rolling Divine Dash + DDs depending on what boons I already have, and then third I'd consider any other Duo Boons or something like Chthonic Coin Purse.

[honest kernel]

both me and nya did 50+ rama with aphro atk

[heady olive]

yea definitely

[honest kernel]

its rly good

[heady olive]

i got to last phase of hades with it too

whats the criteria for DDs from athena though

[honest kernel]

a core

[heady olive]

since u do miss out on a "boon"

[mossy zinc]

That is to say, if you don't have Lords Dionysus, Ares, or Zeus in your pool yet, go for one of these in Asphodel.

[heady olive]

i mean like, when is it a good idea to go for it

[mossy zinc]

Any core boon except Call unlocks her DDs.

[honest kernel]

I'd say always?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[honest kernel]

I would even reroll for it

[heady olive]

oo

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

But Smoldering Air can compete with it imo.

[heady olive]

is it worth taking athena keepsake in elysium then? i always take eurydice keepsake there

[mossy zinc]

And if you already have a good Attack and e.g. Tidal Dash, I don't think going for Owl Pendant is a good idea.

Um.

[heady olive]

that looks wrong

[mossy zinc]

At Lv.1 common, Deadly Strike has better average damage from the start.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1AIW5HbOHISyth1SjJxlwA6Achu5iDk9hhFr3bwm6nFU/edit?usp=drivesdk

[heady olive]

omg i didnt factor in base dmg

oh nice a link

[jaunty falcon]

Me neither lol

[mossy zinc]

Base damage is the same for both.

So you can ignore base damage.

[honest kernel]

elysium is always acorn for me I wouldnt try to force athena then

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

Acorn or Lucky Tooth for survivability in Elysium.

[heady olive]

i mean like, base dmg of artemis is 40% more since it can crit while aphro base dmg cant

[jaunty falcon]

That's ×1.3 damage

[heady olive]

oh its 1.3?

[jaunty falcon]

15% crit chance, but crits are 3× damage

[heady olive]

omg i was thinking of chiron

oops

[mossy zinc]

That's a weird way of phrasing it. Anyway, you can refer to my spreadsheet for any comparisons.

[heady olive]

yea

well the numbers do look correct so theres no need to scrutinise it lol

[mossy zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kRqJP2m-6w3WsZVQiCsQtgwbeUmV2lghJVJAfQV_nU4/edit?usp=drivesdk

Might as well share that, too.

[honest kernel]

science has proven that aphro is superior

[heady olive]

btw im a little confused

the horizontal part is the level, so what is the vertical part for

[jaunty falcon]

How much damage you have from other sources

[mossy zinc]

I sometimes forget there are people here who weren't here when I shared data like that.

[heady olive]

ah okay

[mossy zinc]

What rmacinty said, yeah.

[heady olive]

its a lot closer with chiron then

[mossy zinc]

Or is it. The only % hammer for Special is Piercing, and that only affects armor.

[heady olive]

oh thats true i didnt think about that

[mossy zinc]

You'd go for Heartbreak Strike + any good Special anyway, so the point is kinda moot.

[heady olive]

true

[true fable]

tbh i think artemis cores are only preferable when you have access to 1. a decent RoF on the boon in question and

2. access to mark

or 3. access to lots of additive damage

[heady olive]

unfortunately its quite hard to get 2 or 3 with higher heat i think

[true fable]

yes

[heady olive]

is RoF rate of fire or something

[true fable]

AP2/RI1 limit extremely the extent to which you can get these

yes

so like

arthur for example

[jaunty falcon]

More hits = more crits

[mossy zinc]

I find that Hunter Dash is kind of a rare pick nowadays.

[true fable]

is a weapon with no innate crit rate

and it hits very few times in a single room

[heady olive]

its more about the consistency right

[true fable]

there's rooms with deadly strike where you simply just dont crit

[heady olive]

its kinda the same with rama

[true fable]

more hits means more chances to regress to the mean

yes

just like rama

[honest kernel]

also we didnt even talk about weak yet

[heady olive]

rama x aphrodite

[true fable]

weak is also an extremely important part of the equation

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, Weak is insanely good.

[jaunty falcon]

Especially high heat

[mossy zinc]

Objectively speaking, it's by far the best status curse.

In a different league all on its own.

[true fable]

jolted would have a say if it werent so hard to get

[mossy zinc]

Why do the lesser gods even bother with their own status curses when they so obviously can't compare.

[heady olive]

oof

[mossy zinc]

Common Jolted says hi.

[true fable]

yeah

common jolted is sad

[jaunty falcon]

60 damage :(

[true fable]

60 damage 😦

two poms just to reach epic

😦

[jaunty falcon]

116 damage 😎😎😎

[waxen relic]

rupture charging 🙂

[mossy zinc]

You know what common Weak does?

30% damage reduction. 💕

[jaunty falcon]

That's a whole abyssal blood minus numbing sensation

[mossy zinc]

+42% HP.

[jaunty falcon]

Is it not 43% if you round

Either way

[true fable]

weak + abyssal blood is just a HL5 undo button

[jaunty falcon]

And a FO1.5 undo button

[mossy zinc]

It's +43% if you round up, which is commonly done when it's e.g. 42.8, but not a universal rule.

You could also round to the nearest even number, for example.

[bronze viper]

aphro stinky

[pseudo kernel]

good job

[mossy zinc]

I've blocked people for less.

[pseudo kernel]

ok

[gaunt fiber]

when you sell everything from her but broken resolve refuses to come in the purging pool

[mossy zinc]

Blasphemy.

https://i.imgur.com/W5NAKRF.jpg

[pseudo kernel]

🐊

[honest kernel]

so shackle start just ends up forcing me into terrible atk boons on ap2

Nah, definitely AP2.

[past moss]

Never played AP2 but it shouldn't exist

[honest kernel]

🙈

[pseudo kernel]

idk what you are talking about

ap2 is the best

[heady olive]

there should be ap3

i wonder if anyone can win with that

[waxen relic]

Ever heard of boonless

[honest kernel]

thats just boonless

[pseudo kernel]

it could remove some mirror talents, wait...

[heady olive]

ah yea

i was thinking about max heat, thats not possible with no boons right

[waxen relic]

meanwhile other people doubted the possibility of clearin max Heat at all

[heady olive]

i doubted it too but i checked the google docs here and someone cleared it lol

[spice lava]

It's a seeded run

[heady olive]

yea

still impressive nonetheless

[waxen relic]

More than that routed to have good rooms and good boons

[spice lava]

Doing it unseeded requires huge nerves and RNG grind

[honest kernel]

when dio tries to replace arte atk but you dodge it w a reroll 😌

when the next room is zeus replacing arte atk and you got no rerolls 🤨

[spice lava]

I see your 55 heat attempts are going well

[honest kernel]

I want to restart but my time is rly pog

[spice lava]

"I'm glad that you picked AP2 on the pact, son"

[honest kernel]

when ares replaces zeus atk???

ok

i got rolling from chaoa so runs dead anyway

rooms too long

Okay, I've changed my mind. There are two major gameplay design flaws in Hades. Too much visual detritus on some particular builds, and Approval Process.

[heady olive]

oof

i dont like rng in roguelikes that much either

[honest kernel]

There's RNG, and there's the game screwing the player.

ok another rolling into homing witches and speeder skulls 🚶

Approval Process is waaay more the latter than the former.

[wintry berry]

Every pact condition screws you in a manner

[honest kernel]

Not nearly to the same extent.

[past moss]

At least it's OPTIONAL I guess

You'd never catch anyone playing a mode that forced AP2

[honest kernel]

What other Pact option punches you in the nose like that, showing you the options for a given boon or Pom before taking them away?

Especially in Toffel's case, just now.

[past moss]

Adding insult to screw you

[wintry berry]

Routine Inspection is harsher than AP

[honest kernel]

Routine Inspection lets you know what you're in for.

[past moss]

Yeah, tried RI12: I'd forgotten what it was like to just straight up die

[honest kernel]

AP will screw you with RNG every time.

It's more difficult, but less egregious.

[wintry berry]

RI actually screws you, AP is hit or miss

[heady olive]

they should have added AP3

so theres no more rng

[pseudo kernel]

ap3 is gonna be impossible with UC

[heady olive]

nah its just free heat with UC

that would be fine

[past moss]

RI, especially when you get to "you no longer have the most basic of things", is straightforward and predictable with how it screws you

AP, you're beholden to the whims of the Three Fates as to whether you die or not

[wintry berry]

Predictable but cuts 1 or both your arms

[heady olive]

lol

[honest kernel]

I'm sorry, I'm still not seeing how "Enjoy your box of '[REDACTED] You' chocolate" is the lesser evil next to "Basically starting a new file."

Like we literally covered five minutes ago, you cannot account for Approval Process.

[past moss]

I feel like higher tiers of RI should scale in heat, like EM does

[honest kernel]

The RNG will break your run.

With Routine Inspection, you know what you're in for every time, and while it's got a higher difficulty floor, breaking a run through RNG feels worse as a player every time.

[past moss]

There's a difference between "you can no longer influence chamber rewards" and "you die, you die, that's it"

[wintry berry]

but you still have a chance to have what you want, even with lower chances

[past moss]

RI feels like it's your fault, AP feels like the game hates you

[honest kernel]

I have more of a chance to get what I want with Routine Inspection than I do Approval Process.

[past moss]

Never a good thing

[honest kernel]

Again, this is all ignoring how incredibly demoralizing it is to see two good options and then be forced into the third run-breaking option.

With Routin Inspection, once I see Artemis or Zeus or Dionysus, I know I'm getting a fair chance of 1-in-3.

[edgy arrow]

wym RI is great for deflecting blame away from myself

[honest kernel]

Approval Process will just make me juggle Attack options over and over.

[heady olive]

i dont think this conversation is gonna go anywhere lol

[past moss]

Especially since we're all saying the same thing

[edgy arrow]

"oh i died chamber 3, but i didn't have 50 boons yet must be RI's fault"

[edgy arrow]

pact optimisation convo's rarely do

[heady olive]

true

[past moss]

I'm sticking with "each tier of RI takes away one particular thing you've come to rely on, and they're very different from each other"

Not all Talents are created equal

[edgy arrow]

tier 2 isn't that bad

by the standards of the rest of the tiers that is

[wintry berry]

AP lowers only my luck, RI removes starting rerolls, door chances, epic rarity chance, that's only RI lvl 1 and that's huge

[edgy arrow]

what's the specific comparison here tho

like, AP1 vs. RI1 is ez AP1

[past moss]

You'll only notice Tier 1 for the dice and the overall worse builds, T2 takes away the free damage and money as well as your max health, T3 is your cast stuff and Reflex, T4 is Presence and Defiance and healing

[edgy arrow]

AP2 vs. RI2 is prolly RI2

depending

[wintry berry]

I prefer AP2 over RI2 with fists

[past moss]

nah AP2 seems like it'd be the most harmless, given you've taken AP1

[edgy arrow]

hahaha healing

we don't know about healing in this thread

[past moss]

Oh yeah LC4 exists

LC4 is another one of those ones that wouldn't exist if it were forced onto you at any point, given how much of the game it invalidates

[edgy arrow]

taking AP2 over RI2 is like, great i kept my rerolls but now i need to waste them all preventing boons from actively making my build worse

LC4 is fine

[past moss]

It's just weird that a lot of the game literally does nothing under LC4

Amusing but weird

[edgy arrow]

not that much of it really

there's only a handful of things; you mostly forget about them after a while

like, you no longer buy food from shops but you'd already stopped buying darkness and gems so eh

[past moss]

There are some strange decisions on the pact as to what is and isn't capped, and how much Heat it's worth

[edgy arrow]

oh for sure

to be fair, tho, its pretty much not possible to balance it

since different pacts do wildly different things

[past moss]

Especially across all weapons

[edgy arrow]

yeah exactly

[spice lava]

Well we can argue a long time but some of us have already cleared 50 heat or more so we have a different point of view like "we know that RI or AP are spicy on the runs but still doable"

[honest kernel]

I def hate ap2 more than ri lmao

also shackle start runs turned out to be busts but maybe today wasnt a good day for hades

[heady olive]

how about EM4

[edgy arrow]

ye AP2 bad news

EM4 also bad news

[spice lava]

I never tried AP2 RI0, maybe I should try once

[honest kernel]

lmao em4

I dont wanna talk about em4 😡

[edgy arrow]

same lmao

[heady olive]

u get to pick AP1 with EM4 :D

yay

[spice lava]

But with dark foresight, the quantity of good stuff is improved despite AP2

[wintry berry]

RI2 cuts my starting life and money, it makes Tartarus with melee aspects quite hard

[edgy arrow]

part of the reason i'm still on break from 50+ beo is that i can't handle EM4 even on a weapon that supposedly makes it "easy"

[spice lava]

"Easy" is a trappy word here

[heady olive]

ive only done EM4 once

[past moss]

The Pact is inherently a matter of pick your poison, especially once you get to high numbers

[honest kernel]

more like they didnt balance the game for extremly high heat but we try anyway

[edgy arrow]

^

that's part of what makes it fun

or something

honestly idek why we do this to ourselves

[past moss]

You're not meant to go past 32 but nobody's stopping us from suffering

[spice lava]

Because we are P S Y C H O

[honest kernel]

gamers...

[edgy arrow]

it's balanced-ish up to 40

for a given value of "ish"

[wintry berry]

High heat is like eating very strong chili peppers

[edgy arrow]

in the sense that, all aspects 40 is not insane

[past moss]

It's the interaction between conditions that really sets everything off

[honest kernel]

the only reason why I tried 55 is bc I looked at my 50 run and thought the time and execution was rly good I could do 55

[waxen relic]

Poor Heat-Gauge is crying and nobody cares

[honest kernel]

but then I need to not get dunked on by ap2

[past moss]

From 50, you go to 51 not 55, as you learned

[edgy arrow]

55 is a stonks number

[spice lava]

All 40 is for global knowledge, any 50 is for nerves

[honest kernel]

its all or nothing baby

[past moss]

At some point you're just forced to take the REALLY bad ones

[edgy arrow]

i respect it

someday i'll get back on the beo push

[honest kernel]

I wanted to do 53 initially but like

I only needed to add ap2

[edgy arrow]

what aspect were you running for 55?

rama?

[honest kernel]

cant be that bad right

yeah

[edgy arrow]

makes sense

[honest kernel]

maybe im gonna do 53 to save my sanity

[edgy arrow]

i'm laughably bad with rama

lmao

do you hear yourself

[heady olive]

hahaha

[spice lava]

50+ heat is a huge place because of the 24 aspects and everyone can try to add their stone to the researchs

[edgy arrow]

"eh 53 is perfectly sane ezpz"

[honest kernel]

no thoughts only hades

kewfhd

[edgy arrow]

i see you are a pro gamer

[honest kernel]

just unlock yor gaming 3rd eye

[edgy arrow]

how many have done this now?

24x50 that is

[spice lava]

The only thing that didn't make me laugh at 53 was bp2 skulls room (with Hestia)

[edgy arrow]

i've been out of the loop, and last i checked it was just hadesprof and tail iirc

oh wait i misread that wasn't what you were talking about

[spice lava]

Retrash probably did it as well

[unique zephyr]

So is Aphrodite the meta with Rama now

[honest kernel]

yeah im never doing 24x50

[edgy arrow]

still interested if anyone knows

[edgy arrow]

yeah makes sense

he definitely can if he hasn't

[waxen relic]

Bright01 has like 8 50s?

[past moss]

Does Stygian Soul affect RI9? (I exclusively use Infernal so idk)

[honest kernel]

the rama meta is still dio start 😻

[edgy arrow]

RI9 wow

off the charts heat there

[past moss]

Just out of curiosity

[waxen relic]

It's only RI3 and you get single Infernal always

[edgy arrow]

^

[unique zephyr]

Legit question, how does dio start do vs TD3?

You used a TD2 pact which is why I ask

[honest kernel]

good

I mean

you mean 50 or something else

[unique zephyr]

50

[edgy arrow]

its rama

[spice lava]

Nope, stygian soul is deactivated so you have only 1 cast that you need to pick to get it back

[edgy arrow]

big bow fast

[honest kernel]

because my time was good enough for td3

I was just scared

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok, I wanted to be sure that dio start had good enough damage

[heady olive]

oh is dio start actually better than rama

[honest kernel]

it makes clearing mobs in tart rly fast

[unique zephyr]

When I get back from break I’ll try dio start

[honest kernel]

I mean the real answer is that theres no meta bc not enough people played 50+

[unique zephyr]

Tart mobs suck

[heady olive]

true

[honest kernel]

but I like dio start a lot

[edgy arrow]

unless you count tail as a meta by himself

[heady olive]

zeus clears them fast too but maybe the dmg doesnt compare

[honest kernel]

zeus dmg os less yeah

unless you get jolted

[heady olive]

really hard to get double boon

[spice lava]

Tail is probably the main reason why Rama became popular imo

[honest kernel]

I played it since it came out 👼

[edgy arrow]

yeah the problem with dio is that its really impractical to keep hangover up on several creatures at once, which is where it shines

[honest kernel]

rama og

[edgy arrow]

rama special solves that

[heady olive]

im a chiron noob who switched to rama :(

[edgy arrow]

rip chiron

[heady olive]

yes rip

its so hard playing chiron with high heat

[edgy arrow]

trying its best

[honest kernel]

oh yeah hangover also gives you poggers bad influence

no wait

[heady olive]

bad influence is amazing

[honest kernel]

what was the boon that gives you big atk

[heady olive]

if there are 3 enemies

[honest kernel]

yeah

[edgy arrow]

bad influence yeah

peer pressure is the other one

[honest kernel]

thx

[edgy arrow]

i always get those two names confused, and one is laughably bad and the other is stupid good

[spice lava]

Chiron is like stylish but hard to handle at high heat

[honest kernel]

yeah

when u manage to get heartrend tho

big if

[heady olive]

how is it possible to kill all the skulls in tart

[honest kernel]

but if it works

very cool

[heady olive]

im already struggling with rama lol

[edgy arrow]

i do dio chiron for high heat

[spice lava]

The timings when you can dps are Rama like: very situational

[heady olive]

especially the elite protecter skulls :)

[honest kernel]

dio is ur answer 😎

[heady olive]

yea

[honest kernel]

but for real I just tag them and kill

if I dont have dio

[heady olive]

i have a bad habit of double tagging

[honest kernel]

might need to spam special a bit

[heady olive]

from chiron

[spice lava]

Dio start vs bp2 skulls: you just spam the special

[honest kernel]

if its protecc totaly worth to kill them early and not tag everything

[heady olive]

definitely

[honest kernel]

also like

hangover is also nice side dmg vs bosses

esp if you happen to get a duo for it

[heady olive]

yea

much better than chill for dmg

[honest kernel]

oh I guess my 50 time wasnt actually enough for td3 im a liar

[spice lava]

At high heat because of the mechanic itself, I go for PS + special dio + any effect atk

[heady olive]

oof

[honest kernel]

2 minutes off

[heady olive]

did u have RI and AP1 instead

[honest kernel]

yeah I had ri2 and max cp

[heady olive]

oh RI2

[edgy arrow]

oh boy PS gaming

[heady olive]

thats scary

[honest kernel]

its oke

[spice lava]

RI1 + AP1 + EM4, reached Hades and died

[honest kernel]

classic

[heady olive]

samee

[edgy arrow]

dying to EM4 is respectable

[honest kernel]

ngl if you take ri1 already

[heady olive]

oh wait nvm

[honest kernel]

I would take ri2

[heady olive]

oh

then i could remove AP1

bless you

[spice lava]

I want RI1 for PS

[edgy arrow]

RI2 is worse than it sounds honestly

but yeah might be worth a try

[honest kernel]

understandable 🤔

[heady olive]

huh why o.o

[honest kernel]

dunno ri1 hurts so much already

ri2 is the smaller hurt to me

[edgy arrow]

it can screw up your early game, and if you miss out on an early boon because you didn't have that 100 gold that can set you back

but like i said, worth trying

[unique zephyr]

Losing the 100 gold hurts a lot

[heady olive]

hmm i dont mind losing a boon early game

[edgy arrow]

its easy to fall into the trap of just setting up a pact and running with it forever, but there's nothing to lose by tweaking every now and then

sometimes i try objectively bad setups just for variety

[unique zephyr]

Yeah I didn’t tweak my pact at all for my 50 grind, when I come back I should

I have an imported hell mode file too now so I have more options

[spice lava]

Chiron 50 heat -> RI1 in order to use dio + any effect attack to get the +40%, then I add earring to add another +40% to the dmg so Asphodel is smooth, and I keep earring until Styx

[waxen relic]

when your doing RI2 already you might as well do RI3 tbh, you only lose a dash basically

[heady olive]

oh no

youre not wrong though

[edgy arrow]

if you do R3, tbh you might as well do RI4

[heady olive]

ahh

[honest kernel]

[edgy arrow]

if you're doing 32 heat you might as well do 64 as well

they're within the same order of magnitude

[heady olive]

same order of magnitude xd

[spice lava]

Last time was 3 sack so the run was already complicated

[edgy arrow]

oof

[heady olive]

i mean 2 dashes isnt that necessary

anyway thats enough hades for today

[edgy arrow]

hmm

i think 2 dashes might be necessary

[heady olive]

hmm for which enemy

[spice lava]

But Chiron is the aspect I feel comfortable to try my first EM4 50

[edgy arrow]

all of the enemies

[unique zephyr]

Not beo?

[edgy arrow]

seriously just try running 1 dash for a bit

[waxen relic]

nah just EM4

[edgy arrow]

you'll see what i mean

[unique zephyr]

Beo seems like a better EM4 50

[unique zephyr]

I tried ruthless reflex for zeus shield, it’s so hard

[edgy arrow]

EM4 is obviously the big one, but it hurts everywhere

for sure yeah

[heady olive]

huh, how do all the RI999 players survive then

[edgy arrow]

and that's on a shield, where you can block

on bow its pure pain

[honest kernel]

I only beat mirrorless with hestia

[edgy arrow]

one dash, and you need it for dps

[unique zephyr]

I ended up switching to GR even though zeus shield is probably the best for one dash

[honest kernel]

sucks on bow

[unique zephyr]

Hestia is my only mirrorless too

Even then I got Hermes dash early ish in my win

[heady olive]

oo that does make sense

[waxen relic]

I did 45 ZagBow with 1 Hypersprint a while back so idk what you mean

[spice lava]

@unique zephyr if you're not comfortable with the aspect you're using, any talk like "hestia is easy 50" or "beo is easy EM4" has no point

[edgy arrow]

^

yeah

also i'm pretty comfy with beo and i don't find EM4 easy with it

[devout quiver]

I love playing against EM4, but damn if it doesn't kill me a lot

lol

[edgy arrow]

yeah i too love dying

for real tho that fight bangs

wish i was good at it

you don't get to the cool guitar solo until phase 3, which is a massive incentive to learn

[devout quiver]

I've beaten it at least once on each weapon.
But that was with a measly ten heat (EM4 by itself)

My current pact is like 23 heat or something, so I haven't even seen phase 3 once yet lol

[edgy arrow]

i should honestly prolly roll back to 10 heat to learn it or something

attempting to learn it at 50+ didn't work out so good for me

a while back i considered turning it on for my speedruns, since my times aren't any good anyway

maybe i should actually do that

[devout quiver]

I feel that.
I just don't wanna "forget" how to play against MM and FO2

[heady olive]

did yall use the save copy and paste method too

[devout quiver]

no idea what that is, so prolly not

[edgy arrow]

for what?

to get a max save file

[heady olive]

for practicing bosses

[honest kernel]

yeah

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah

[heady olive]

oic

[edgy arrow]

i do that yes

[devout quiver]

oh, that sounds interesting. Never heard of that

[heady olive]

yea i asked about it a few days ago in here

[honest kernel]

I used to do that for normal hades

[edgy arrow]

i only have one for EM4 maxy

[heady olive]

from here

i still lose a lot more runs to normal rooms than to bosses so i havent used it yet

[edgy arrow]

there's apparently a mod that lets you do it without messing around copying files

i haven't looked into that tho

[devout quiver]

Interesting. I might have to try that next time I'm at the gates of EM4.

[heady olive]

wish there was workshop for hades >:(

for the easy mods

[edgy arrow]

lowkey same

[devout quiver]

I wish most games had workshop

[edgy arrow]

yeah mods are cool but 90% of the time i'm too lazy to bother setting them up

[unique zephyr]

So in the end the best aspect is the one you vibe with for the most part

[spice lava]

Well

[edgy arrow]

its just about what you're used to/good at

my best speedruns aren't with eris, not because its not fast but because i'm bad at it and don't play it that much

if i got good at it i would absolutely beat my times

[spice lava]

Boxing is easy for boxers but a boxer doesn't become good at Karate that easily without training. Same idea with the aspects

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[spice lava]

There is no shame if your talent only shines on few aspects

[devout quiver]

tfw my talent is with gilgamesh

[edgy arrow]

okay if its gilgamesh you should be ashamed

(that was a joke, to be clear)

i'm just jealous because i can't play gilga

[devout quiver]

I haven't play Gil in a while tbh.
Ever since I've been trying to kill EM4 so much, I've been taking Demeter much more

[edgy arrow]

that is very fair

idk how many folks have done high heat EM4 gilga but i don't imagine its many

[devout quiver]

Eh, I'm not really at high heat...
It's, like... eh, let me pull it up

its less than 30 though

I've only actually beaten a 32 heat run once ever

with Gilg :D

[edgy arrow]

even 32 gilga took me a pile of time and a perfect ME build

weapon hard

its one of two aspects i haven't managed to beat 40 with

the other being zag sword lmao

[devout quiver]

Yeah i did ME too lol. Took me like 4 tries.
2 of which died at meg lol

[spice lava]

I got lost by following the aotw rhythm, now I just focus on rail and Chiron when I have time

[edgy arrow]

can't remember how long it took me but it was definitely more than 4 tries

i never paid attention to aotw

is that still happening?

[next acorn]

whats aotw

[spice lava]

Yeah it's gilga week

[edgy arrow]

aspect of the week

ooh neat

might try some gilga then

[devout quiver]

the pact i run for my EM4 runs is...
EM4, BP1, MM, FO2 and TD2

23 heat lol

[spice lava]

But aotw is good if your main objectives are already done or you don't know what to do

I ended up not clearing any 50 in 3-4 months

[edgy arrow]

yeah i'm just starting playing again after a bit of hiatus

so i don't have any specific goals again yet

lol

no 50 is 3-4 months is a pro gamer problem

[devout quiver]

I've been playing runs here and there, but I'm almost done with the battlepass in another game I play so I'm prolly gonna dive back in to hades head first after that

[spice lava]

No, not being able to follow Astaos' pace is a french problem

[devout quiver]

Its good to take breaks, but I'm feeling kind of rusty in the runs I have been playing lol

I keep dying at EM3 lol

not even getting the chance for EM4

[spice lava]

But now I came back to Hestia DC2 and it's just a matter of time

[edgy arrow]

i remember me and Astaos were at about the same place in what we'd achieved

[devout quiver]

Though most recently i've been working on Chiron 32

[edgy arrow]

granted, he was using a worse weapon than me, but still

times change

anyway, gilgamesh time here i go

ME is banned ofc, because i hate myself

[spice lava]

I recently did Chiron 32 with no summon and aspect lvl 1

It was awful

[devout quiver]

The key to Gilgamesh for me was switching to Ruthless Reflex

[edgy arrow]

i did that a bunch when i was trying to get better at zeus

[devout quiver]

and just suffering through "only" three starting dashes

[edgy arrow]

and zeus is like, a good weapon even at lvl 1

i still eventually gave up

[spice lava]

Zeus lvl 1 is only 8 dmg per hit

[edgy arrow]

clears weren't that hard but it just felt grindy

true but with zeus special the damage is still decent

[devout quiver]

I ended up on Zeus Special w/ Chiron a few attempts ago

it was funny, but not as good as I'd hoped

[edgy arrow]

yeah ICD gonna ICD

that reminds me of my random goal of seastorm chiron 50

[devout quiver]

lol

[edgy arrow]

idk why i had that as a goal, because i've never done regular chiron 50

i never claimed to have goals that were achievable or made sense

[gaunt fiber]

that's a beautiful goal

[devout quiver]

maybe SS chiron is the key to unlock my 32 attempts

[spice lava]

I'm dreaming of seastorm chiron at 50 heat

[edgy arrow]

are they good dreams or nightmares

[spice lava]

Almost a free PS with rupture and jolted

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah

like, i am against PS is basically all cases

but seastorm chiron PS is actually solid

it's getting there that makes it a bad build

[devout quiver]

PS on Low Tol chiron

[spice lava]

I'm already fine with Chiron dio PS

[gaunt fiber]

pin this

[edgy arrow]

i will when i get the 50 as proof

[jaunty falcon]

This is genuinely the only build where I 100% run PS

[edgy arrow]

i mean, not that i can pin things

[spice lava]

I could almost change boiling blood for abyssal, more control

[gaunt fiber]

My 50 is low tolerance

[edgy arrow]

did you use PS tho

[gaunt fiber]

it did close to nothing compared to conc/relentless would have done

nah it's RI2

[edgy arrow]

oh oof

RI2 even ruins memes

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[spice lava]

50 hp is luxuary for GY master Astaos

[gaunt fiber]

EM4 makes memes live

until they die

[spice lava]

Smartstaos

[devout quiver]

But what if they kill em4

[gaunt fiber]

if they kill EM4, it will bring a smile to your face

maybe even a little tear

[devout quiver]

Bet

[gaunt fiber]

My pace is reasonable LOL

[heady olive]

wow RI2 is surprisingly manageable, but its hard to get chaos boons and u lose runs quite fast with 50 hp

and it feels much better than AP1

[gaunt fiber]

AP1 RI0 is much better than AP0 RI2

AP1 hurts but RI2 hurts really bad

[heady olive]

hmm

[gaunt fiber]

Trust me I'm from the RI2 gang

[heady olive]

what

[gaunt fiber]

Only recently awakened to EM4

[heady olive]

omg

ill try RI2 for a while first

[gaunt fiber]

you're trying 50 right?

[heady olive]

the 50 hp u lose is so worth so much gold sadly

yea

[gaunt fiber]

Ok

So RI2 is "reasonable"

would not take it below 50

[heady olive]

ofc lol

[spice lava]

My pace is reasonable LOL
@gaunt fiber No

[honest kernel]

ap1 ri0 good ye

[dire adder]

what is the best spear build for like 48 or 50 heat?

[gaunt fiber]

It'll be hammer reliant

Achilles and Zag are ok with Flurry jab

Guan Yu is solid with Charged Skewer but really is punishing

[mossy zinc]

Achilles, Flurry Jab, Tidal Dash, Lightning Strike.

Deadly Strike if you don't take DC.

[edgy arrow]

48 is a weird number

[gaunt fiber]

Pretty balanced imo

[edgy arrow]

honestly big respect to folks that don't follow the 32 -> 40 -> 45 -> 50 formula

do all aspects 49

be an individual

ohh the number itself needs to be balanced i see

no wonder i had so much trouble with 53

damn prime numbers unbalancing everything

54 should be ez 🤔

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah 54 makes sense

42 48 52 are cool

[edgy arrow]

takes notes

[mossy zinc]

42 can be anything you want.

[edgy arrow]

good to know

how do i make it be easy with zag sword

bet the answer is sea storm

i don't have a problem you have a problem

[mossy zinc]

The answer is 42.

[hard gale]

ah yes a fellow hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy reader

[dire adder]

i do 32 48-50 then 64

[gaunt fiber]

2 4 8 16 32 64 is kinda optimal

since you only double the difficulty each time

[dire adder]

true

but 64 is only 4 hellmode and im trying to get a maxed hell mode file bc i have a maxed normal mode file

[honest kernel]

ez

[dire adder]

i also have ideas 4 new speedruns but don't know the speedrun discord

😦

thx

[narrow carbon]

Not to revive the RI vs AP debate, but my feeling is that whereas I can learn to be good at RI2 for 50 (like I had to learn LC4 for 32-40, and HL5 for 40-45), you can’t learn to be good at AP2 - you can save your rolls and the game will still sometimes brick your run

[mossy zinc]

@jaunty falcon links like that go into #self-promotion.

[honest kernel]

Like I said, RI raises the difficulty floor quite a bit, but AP is pure "Rocks fall, everyone dies" territory.

[jaunty falcon]

Ngl I didn't even know there was a self promotion channel in this server

[viscid fractal]

hi, for a mono target weapon like chiron or hestia, what do you guys think is the best between JS2/CP2 and JS3/CP1 ?

Like what's the easiest, for time management

[honest kernel]

Probably JS2/CP2, but I'm not super familiar with those.

[viscid fractal]

would say that too, but it makes bosses harder

in terms of total addes hp jsp2/cp2 is probs less but i wanted to see if someone thought of smth i hadnt thought of

[honest kernel]

Chiron and Hestia are definitely two Aspects that are better with single-target damage, so in my mind that should offset bosses becoming slightly chunkier.

I know I'd rather deal with a few extra hundreds/thousands of HP on bosses that I can easily cleave through than having to deal with a bunch more Numbskulls/Flamewheels.

[jaunty falcon]

Chiron especially shouldn't struggle with bosses

[gaunt fiber]

CP2 is huge

[spice lava]

JS3 can be trouble depending of the rooms but Chiron and Hestia are ranged aspects so you don't have to chase foes that much

CP2 has an impact on all of the rooms while JS3 doesn't matter on bosses' rooms

Do you use TD on your pact or not at all?

[edgy arrow]

dem TD0 CP2 JS3 pro strats

[spice lava]

TD isn't precised and if it's TD0 then it's not really an issue to have JS or CP if you have infinite time to clear the rooms

[mossy zinc]

They said "for time management", so time is a concern.

[heady olive]

i give up on RI2

the loss of 50 hp is 450 gold, its too much for me

[mossy zinc]

You lose a lot more than that since you also lose Dark Foresight.

[heady olive]

i still have RI1 sadly

[unique zephyr]

Not to mention losing 100 starting gold from losing deep pockets

[heady olive]

breh 100 gold is nothing compared to 450

[unique zephyr]

Never getting anything useful mid shop hurts

[heady olive]

thats true

[unique zephyr]

You just lose out on one room’s worth of resources

[heady olive]

also kinda dependent on rng, if u dont get like 2 gold chambers u cant buy anything anyway

i think of mid shop as a time saver rather than a resource room

kinda like chaos boons since they arent always good

[celest grail]

convenience fee is such a hidden dragon

It seems like its nothing, "oh, i guess i just wont have that many boons from shops, no big deal" when in reality it goes to "i need to sell divine dash"

[edgy arrow]

selling divine dash builds character

but ye CF bad

[heady olive]

its quite rare to have to sell divine dash though

unless ur in tart and get only 2 boons

[mossy zinc]

Not that rare if you don't have rerolls. Divine Dash is not a top priority boon to keep.

Top priority is always high DPS.

[unique zephyr]

That’s kind of what RI does to you though

You don’t realise just how powerful dark foresight is until you lose it, you’re lucky to have more than 3 boons leaving tartarus

Or if you have three boons and two are essential to your damage and one is divine dash

[heady olive]

what build has divine dash as a essential dmg source

also getting athena dash + another dmg core requires good luck, usually ud get a non essential boon instead of athena which ud remove

[unique zephyr]

That’s what I meant, you have two damage sources and divine dash, so you are forced to sell dash

I’ve had like 3 boons leaving Tartarus in my 50 heat Rama attempts because of RI and CF

[heady olive]

i mean

3 boons in tart is already good considering u hv 2 dmg core boons

[gaunt fiber]

yeah 3 boons is classic

I love these runs when you only get the starting one and the miniboss :)

[spice lava]

I can't understand the loss of Dark Foresight if I never used it from the start

[waxen relic]

I love the runs where you get a hammer to start and a miniboss gives you the only boon so you go into Asphodel without anything

[mossy zinc]

Perfect for boonless mirrorless runs.

[gaunt fiber]

yeah then it's the famous schackle transition

[mossy zinc]

Yes. Abandoned Shackle for that sweet trap damage.

[honest kernel]

yesterday I left tart w one boon and didnt get one in apshodel bc i skipped too many rooms

[celest grail]

skipping asphodel miniboss always feels so bad because of that

[honest kernel]

wait no I got 1 in the final shop but it was premium vintage

[past moss]

Tbf, Premium Vintage is basically just a centaur heart with free Pom Power included

And if you're (un)lucky enough to get a Nectar chamber and haven't purged it yet, it can be two

[honest kernel]

nah its good

the issue is that you cant purge it

so I had to kill dps

[past moss]

Oh it's unpurgable, of course!

How many unpurgable boons are there in this game? There's Nourished Soul, Sunken Treasure, Premium Vintage... is that it?

[honest kernel]

rare crop

[waxen relic]

• both DDs and Sunken Treasure and Sunken Treasure and Sunken Treasure.. and Rare Crop

[dire steppe]

hi everyone

[pseudo kernel]

hello

[vital grove]

Yo

[true fable]

with RI1 trials become even better value than usual

[honest kernel]

trial scary

[mossy zinc]

You can do it!

[devout quiver]

i take trials way more than i should.

read' taking trials that kill me or make me die to mid boss Asterius

[quartz mantle]

Elysium trials very scary

I almost never take trials outside of tart

Cause trials in tart are big value

[gaunt fiber]

I was hesitant prior to RI0

And now I've become so greedy I take like, every trial I see

[unique zephyr]

You mean prior to RI1?

What’s before RI0 lmao

[gaunt fiber]

But I'm also much powerful than before

before RI0 I was a RI2 boyo I mean

[unique zephyr]

Oh

[gaunt fiber]

and that times has come to end for now

[unique zephyr]

Do you do AP2 or EM4

[gaunt fiber]

EM4

[unique zephyr]

Oh right you’re doing EM4 stuff

[mossy zinc]

Pyre.

[spice lava]

Now is a good time to post this image https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/849339681321254922/unknown.png

[pseudo kernel]

Nice

[heady olive]

man i should take a break

reached hades 3 times and died on the last phase every time zzz

[mossy zinc]

Practice the fight more if you have a practice save.

Until you can beat him reliably.

[heady olive]

yea i guess

but ill take a break first

[devout quiver]

mfw

https://i.imgur.com/pBjmCHo.png

Keep Tooth or switch to Acorn here? Mid between Elysium and Styx

Leaning towards keeping tooth since I didn't find Patty

[jaunty falcon]

Acorn might be slightly better since you have HL3, but I wouldn't worry too much, Chiron is a boss killer

[devout quiver]

Hmm

I think I'll got Tooth incase i get bad sack RNG then

[jaunty falcon]

Do you have concentrated volley?

[devout quiver]

Yes

and twinshot

[jaunty falcon]

You'll be fine in the Hades fight

Just pop your SD in the 3rd/4th room in each Styx tunnel

[devout quiver]

Hmm if i get bad sac rng i probably die to timer though

maybe tooth isnt worth then

[jaunty falcon]

Styx isn't going to take 6 minutes if you don't have DC or CP

[unique zephyr]

Unless you get 5 sacked

[devout quiver]

I need to practice more with acorn anyhow

wow

I sure did gain 150 HP in elysium

lol, so my SDs are kinda big

rip 10% on phase 2

what a blessed run too. Oh well
https://i.imgur.com/JHQ5gCn.png

[jaunty falcon]

Try forcing Athena in asphodel

To get extra DDs

[devout quiver]

I probably could have

I had Aphro/Arte in tart, decided to force zeus

I did end up getting smoldering air

Was a really fun run though. Got lucky, made choices i dont normally and it almost worked out

[quartz mantle]

I see your problem

you're running Convenience Fee

[shy plinth]

Is that BP1?

[warm dagger]

That's a dope 32 run

[devout quiver]

I was dying a lot with HL4

so i brought it down a notch and added CF1

Yeah that's BP1

Maybe I could BP2, unsure.

I'm just scared of getting one of those hellish combos i hear about here and there

[shy plinth]

I did BP2 CF0 HL1

For all 24 aspects

HL5 was way too punishing because I'm bad at not getting hit

[devout quiver]

saaaaaaame

[shy plinth]

But CF0 is seriously so nice

You get infinite boons

[devout quiver]

Yeah. CF1 is already uncomfortable, I can't imagine CF2

[shy plinth]

Good news is you don't have to

[devout quiver]

Next time bow gets thirsty, I'll try using BP2.

It's probably not as scary as I'm thinking, especially with less HL

Anything else outstanding in my pact? Or just that mainly

[shy plinth]

It's a solid pact

You don't make a lot of the mistakes that many do, I've just found CF0 to be worth going out of the way for

BP2 sucks sometimes but you have to get the points somewhere

And it's definitely worth 3 heat

Sometimes you get a gnarly combo in Tartarus and then you just take the reset

Like I said, I'm not that great of a player but your pact with those three changes got me 24x32

[devout quiver]

Don't worry, I thought long and hard about committing to DC1

[shy plinth]

DC1 oh no

[devout quiver]

I was actually running it for a bit, but i stopped as soon as i realized that witches weren't dying to a single boonless special volley

Which is rough, cause I start on heartbreak strike with Chiron 99% of the time

[spice lava]

If you reached Hades it's just a matter of time before you succeed 👀

[unique zephyr]

Incidentally I disagree with CF being listed as “easy” on the pinned heat guide

[shy plinth]

The perspective there has def evolved over the past few months

[ashen garnet]

CF1 is still manageable, CF2 leads to midshops without buying anything

[spice lava]

CF is seen very differently imo: If you're completely used to play without relying that much on shop's items, it's not a big deal