h1-high-heat-strategies

[shy plinth]

Not even 0, just do the same heat you're used to

[unique zephyr]

Then get the heat statues

No I turned off god mode it’s a huge jump

[honest kernel]

merciful end is prob what you wanna go for in fresh file

[unique zephyr]

From max god mode

I lost several times before my first non god mode clear

[hot reef]

I can do regular without god mode if I have the mirror and stuff

[shy plinth]

Yeah I'd recommend just A/B testing and seeing the difference of what it feels like with GM on and off

[unique zephyr]

Once you get used to god mode and it maxes the damage reduction carries you

Don’t be discouraged if you die early though

[hot reef]

I only got to 25% resistance before I started winning almost every run

I think I’m at my 50th win in a row

[unique zephyr]

I didn’t win until like 60% resistance

[hot reef]

Ah

[unique zephyr]

Ok you can turn it off on the same heat

25% isn’t that much

[hot reef]

Yessir

[unique zephyr]

It’s significant but your skills should carry over

Make sure you can clear consistently with god mode off

[hot reef]

I don’t think I suck at the game but I have a long way to go before I can go fresh file

[unique zephyr]

I personally did 16 heat all weapons

Before 32 heat

The better you get at the game, the worse you’ll feel at it

[hot reef]

Guh I just kinda hate the bow and wish the shield did higher damage

[unique zephyr]

I cleared 45 heat and the gap between me and the actual really good players is huge

[shy plinth]

Zeus and beo do kinda crazy damage

[hot reef]

Makes sense

[unique zephyr]

Rama is my only 45

[shy plinth]

And rama bow is a really strong weapon, just takes a while to learn

[unique zephyr]

Rama is good for high heat

[shy plinth]

Rama is good period, but not intuitive

[unique zephyr]

Yeah, Rama is a tricky aspect to learn

[hot reef]

Imagine not being able to just spam dash strike

[honest kernel]

and youve already got almost all weapons 40 heat? thats crazy

[unique zephyr]

All but sword

[honest kernel]

ok time for me to flex

[unique zephyr]

I recently got fists, and for bow I have zag bow and Rama

[honest kernel]

flex on us toffel

[unique zephyr]

I’m ready to be flexed on

[honest kernel]

220h , 50heat, mirrorless, boonless, all aspects 40

holy

[unique zephyr]

Nice

[shy plinth]

https://tenor.com/xzNu.gif

[hot reef]

Oop

[unique zephyr]

I was just starting my high heat journey at 220 hours

[honest kernel]

but I started playing high heat very early

yeah

well ive got 100 hours left

[unique zephyr]

This is my first game I tried getting good at

[hot reef]

I’ve only got 85 hours lol

[unique zephyr]

And my first action game I played much of

I was a noob at 85 hours

I think I was going for 16 heat all weapons around that time?

[hot reef]

I’ve only got like

10 heat for each weapon

18 for the fists

[honest kernel]

hey man, im going on 120 hours here and 2 of my weapons ive got a whole 3 heat on 😎

kind of a gamer

[hot reef]

Not including the bow because I despise it

[hot reef]

Bro,,

Teach me your ways

I remember once the statues showed up and I immediately turned on 32 heat and just got stomped on

Died in asphodel

[honest kernel]

32 heat is tough man

[hot reef]

Do be 😔

[honest kernel]

it became a lot easier when i asked people on this server what heaat to turn on though

their suggestions were very helpful

[hot reef]

I started with the two hit damage resistance, a little bit of tight deadline and calisthenics program as well as 2/3 extreme measures and did aight

[unique zephyr]

Yeah the people here helped me get a lot better

[hot reef]

After that it got harder tho

[unique zephyr]

So take off calisthenics

[shy plinth]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message This is my go-to 32

Did every aspect on it

[unique zephyr]

That’s a good pact and what I use

Or a small variation based on weapon

[hot reef]

Ah I see

[shy plinth]

Yeah you can get away with DC sometimes

[unique zephyr]

I’m taking a break but I want to get 32 heat on all aspects

[shy plinth]

It was fun

[unique zephyr]

And 50 heat once

[hot reef]

The damage resistance one is only annoying for low level swarms

Otherwise it makes very little difference to me

[unique zephyr]

I’m nowhere near good enough at the game for 50 heat right now

[shy plinth]

Damage control? It's pretty unpleasant on hestia or rama or arthur etc

[unique zephyr]

It took me 59 tries to clear 45 heat

[honest kernel]

what aspect are you thinking of using

[hot reef]

Me, who fails at anything higher than 18: wow what a loser amirite

[unique zephyr]

Rama

[hot reef]

How long have y’all been playing anyway

[unique zephyr]

Hestia maybe, but Hestia wants hell mode more

About 400 hours

I started high heat at 180ish hours

[hot reef]

Ah

[unique zephyr]

One reason I am using Rama to push heat is that it can take DC2

[hot reef]

Well bois I’m ready to take on full heat hell mode see you guys later

[honest kernel]

good luck

[unique zephyr]

It’s not fun on Rama but Rama can take it easier than many other aspects

[shy plinth]

Oh yeah I'm an idiot

Forgot about the special lol

[hot reef]

Not even. Anyway I’m off to turn off god mode at least

[honest kernel]

rama is good

[unique zephyr]

Shared suffering is the entire reason you use Rama

[honest kernel]

bow gang

[unique zephyr]

Bow has the most clears for me

And runs in general

[shy plinth]

It is but I forgot about the special for popping DC

Was just thinking of the large damage

[hot reef]

Twin fists for me

[shy plinth]

Punch gang

[hot reef]

Hell yeah punch gang

[shy plinth]

Though I am this channel's designated gilgamesh main

[hot reef]

No strategy only bonk

[shy plinth]

There are not very many of us

[unique zephyr]

I’m not saying that I’m saying the gap between 45 and 50 is huge

[shy plinth]

Mostly because the aspect sucks

[hot reef]

I can’t do Gilgamesh because I rely heavily on dash strikes and

[shy plinth]

Do you not do merciful end

[unique zephyr]

I mean I didn’t do ME for Demeter 40 because I don’t like ME much

[hot reef]

I know I was kidding

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok lol

[honest kernel]

its ok gilga bad

[hot reef]

It’s not bad but

[shy plinth]

Yes it is lol

[honest kernel]

no it is

[hot reef]

My play style absolutely does not allow for it

[shy plinth]

I have played a LOT of gilga

It is not a good aspect

[hot reef]

Demeter is aight tho

[honest kernel]

gilga is fun

but it doesnt feel very optimal

[hot reef]

I mainly do the zag aspect

[honest kernel]

zag fists are my favorite fists personally

[hot reef]

Maybe that’s why I rely so much on dodge chance and damage resistance :((

[unique zephyr]

Demeter is the best fist aspect

[hot reef]

Me, running into every situation and letting myself get beat up: haha Artemis go brrrr

[unique zephyr]

Talos may be more fun for people who like the gimmick

[honest kernel]

oh man i really dislike talos

it just feels jank

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge can you tell us how many hours you have in the game and what your highest heat is, highest mirrorless, and highest boonless?

[hot reef]

I’m ok with it but I never really use the special anyway

[honest kernel]

uh oh

[unique zephyr]

To get fists 40 I had to learn to empty dash more and strike only when I know I’m safe

At high heat there is a lot finesse with fists

[shy plinth]

Empty dashing is OP

[unique zephyr]

It’s a close range weapon after all

[shy plinth]

I learned that from watching Tail

[honest kernel]

i feel like im about to feel bad about my hours played to highest heat ratio

[hot reef]

I don’t think I ever empty dash so

E

[shy plinth]

Tail has played a lot of hours

Like... a lot

[honest kernel]

what is empty dashing?

[shy plinth]

Dashing without attacking

[honest kernel]

oh i see

[shy plinth]

You stay invincible the whole duration of the dash

[hot reef]

Ye

[shy plinth]

If you attack you cancel your iframes

[unique zephyr]

Tail played in early access

[honest kernel]

right

[unique zephyr]

Sometimes I have the temptation to spam dash strike

[hot reef]

I should empty dash more then

[honest kernel]

gotcha, i knew the concept but not the name

[shy plinth]

Getting hit bad

[hot reef]

I always do 😔

[unique zephyr]

I have to remind myself not to

[shy plinth]

Not getting hit good

[hot reef]

True but-

Honestly it’s just satisfying to go in there and hit everything and kill everything fast which is- very incongruous with what I intend to do

[daring hedge]

Wait why lol

[honest kernel]

i think one of the reasons ive had such a fantastic experience with the game so far is because ive had so many things to do. Whenever i open the game, i never feel like im bored with what im doing cause i could a) go prophecy hunting, b) go for a high heat run, c) go for resource farming, d) try going for a pb, e) try a new aspect or practice with a relatively new one, etc etc, the list goes on

[mossy zinc]

Some people here were "flexing" their numbers. I was just merely curious what your numbers were, no reason.

[hot reef]

I have a very short attention span and very little patience so I’ll try to do those things, get bored, end up just trying to go for high dps again

[daring hedge]

Highest heat is 60, mirrorless 50, boonless 51, and I have at least like 670 hours, but it's even more than that because I played on epic for a while

[honest kernel]

BOONLESS 51????

[mossy zinc]

Thank you. Very informative. 💕

[honest kernel]

oh my god

[shy plinth]

@daring hedge this is false, your highest heat is 120

[daring hedge]

153* actually lol

[honest kernel]

huh

[shy plinth]

That ratio

[hot reef]

I didn’t know you could even do that

[daring hedge]

Old heat scaling

[hot reef]

Ah I see

[honest kernel]

oh gotcha

[shy plinth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i5JKZ8h7kY

May 21st 2019 wow

Almost 2 years old

[mossy zinc]

670h on Steam?

[honest kernel]

a little bit of flex never hurt anyone what other reason to clear 50heat other than show off gamer swag

[mossy zinc]

I have 1k hours on Steam. You gotta have way more than that in total.

[daring hedge]

Yeah for sure

The 670 is just from steam

I dunno how to check hours in epic if you even can

[next acorn]

153?

[mossy zinc]

I wouldn't know. I never did 50 Heat.

[shy plinth]

Heat used to work differently

And Tail is old school

[honest kernel]

[next acorn]

ic

[hot reef]

Y’all will never be as good at me, 18 heat-

[mossy zinc]

[next acorn]

frantic google search

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel why do you only have 7 boons at 32 Heat? We need to talk about that lol.

[honest kernel]

well i was purging some

at least 3 got tossed because of UC

after i got ME i just wanted poms really

[hot reef]

I almost pulled a boonless run off but then I got to Styx and the last tunnels were both boons

Autocorrect, why.

[honest kernel]

oh thats a major f

[honest kernel]

poms and health, i took some health too

[mossy zinc]

Having only unpurgeable boons still works for the 100% Olympian-Free title.

[honest kernel]

and it isnt like i bought many boons, i had 80% more expensive shops

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, don't take CF2 at 32.

[hot reef]

I probably could’ve went Poseidon and hoped for ocean’s bounty

[mossy zinc]

The boonless category on the leaderboard works differently from the requirements for the title, but we filter out submissions below 32 Heat, anyway, since it's the high heat leaderboard.

[honest kernel]

I dont think I've submitted my run yet

oops

[mossy zinc]

I have a bunch of recorded 40s, I think, that I haven't uploaded yet.

[hot reef]

Me, who can’t do submissions because I play on switch-

[honest kernel]

rip

well you can do victory screen at leasz

[hot reef]

True

[honest kernel]

if you really want to you can get a capture card

[hot reef]

I do have my fastest times saved

[hot reef]

Nah I’m not good enough yet to warrant it

[honest kernel]

fair enough

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, we added the "victory screen only" tab for players who can't submit a video.

[hot reef]

My fastest time thus far for no heat is I think 12 minutes

[mossy zinc]

That's decent.

[honest kernel]

thats pretty good

[mossy zinc]

I got a high heat WR well before I got sub 12, I think.

[hot reef]

Ah I see

[mossy zinc]

It's just whatever you focus on.

[honest kernel]

yeah, thats the great thing about this community, everyone can do whatever they want and thats totally fine

[mossy zinc]

It's way easier to get faster times now than back then because the meta is so much more developed.

[hot reef]

I’m glad it’s not like some other gaming servers I’m on where it’s very circle jerky for lack of a better term

[hot reef]

My only complaint is it takes way too long for the bone hydra to become vulnerable again after you kill the last of the extra heads lol

[mossy zinc]

The devs and mods make sure the server is very friendly and positive.

[hot reef]

And they’re doing well

[mossy zinc]

I mean, that goes for everyone, though, you don't have any disadvantage because of that.

[hot reef]

I’m pretty casual for the most part so I don’t fit in well when people expect me to know general gaming stuff lol

[mossy zinc]

Elysium room RNG is way worse because it can totally screw you over.

[hot reef]

I know but guh

[mossy zinc]

And sack RNG when it goes badly.

[hot reef]

Oh yeah I almost got a 10 minute time but

I got 5 sacked

So uh

E

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

Such is life.

[hot reef]

I would’ve definitely got less than 11 if not for that

[mossy zinc]

Any run I've done that was on track for sub 7 got totally screwed over in Elysium lol.

[hot reef]

Sad

[mossy zinc]

But I don't do that many anyway. m not that focused on speedruns.

[hot reef]

I don’t usually have too much trouble with Elysium but it’s definitely great to have hammers that help against armor

[mossy zinc]

They're decent practice for high heat and can be fun in their own right sometimes.

Well.

The DPS in Elysium isn't the problem.

[hot reef]

Oop aight

[mossy zinc]

The problem is where in Elysium you get free rooms if you get any.

[hot reef]

I was not aware I couldn’t cuss here

[mossy zinc]

And what enemies you get in what chambers.

The more you know.

[honest kernel]

flamewheels

[hot reef]

Stupid butterfly ball miniboss

Stop spawning stuff so I have to leave and kill them

[honest kernel]

actually thats one of the easier and faster rooms generally

[hot reef]

Sometimes it is

Sometimes it isn’t

[mossy zinc]

Elite Flame Wheels are great. Some of the fastest chambers you get in Elysium.

[honest kernel]

in dedicated low heat speedruns, that is

[honest kernel]

oh yeah, the big ones are fine

i just despise the small guys

bane of my existance

[hot reef]

Big flame wheels are very easy to stagger

[mossy zinc]

Not the big ones, those are Chariots.

[honest kernel]

existence?

[mossy zinc]

m talking about armored Flame Wheels.

[hot reef]

Guh

[honest kernel]

oh i see

[hot reef]

Those are gross.

[honest kernel]

eh those arent terrible

[hot reef]

They’re still gross

Very excited when I see the contract in the well of Charon to get rid of them

[honest kernel]

but we can all agree

small guys suck

[hot reef]

Shield guys

Ew

Armored shield guys are very ew

[mossy zinc]

Elites are much easier to deal with than normal Flame Wheels. They have a wider hurtbox, and they have way higher difficulty rating, so you see way fewer of them than normal Flame Wheels.

[hot reef]

Well

[honest kernel]

Tl;DR, small guys suck

[hot reef]

With fists I don’t mind flame wheels all that much

But like

Stupid shield elite I’m trying to hurt you

Also I feel like I get elites more than flame wheels?

[mossy zinc]

you should, you can't dash-strike normal Flame Wheels with Malphon without taking damage if you don't have Deflect.

[hot reef]

Long fist hammer go brrrr

[mossy zinc]

Also, the Dire Soul Catcher is like a 2s fight in a speedrun lol.

[hot reef]

I almost always get that hammer right off the bat so

[hot reef]

Yeah well I suck at it so

[honest kernel]

yeah, with meg its a pitiful fight

[hot reef]

Meg’s currently mad at me and I don’t have her summon

Sadness noise

Than works but he’s slow

[mossy zinc]

Well, no you don't. You're more likely to miss Long Knuckle first hammer than to get it.

[hot reef]

I guess I’m lucky

It’s usually my first or second

So I almost always get it before elysium

[honest kernel]

you can get 2 hammers before elysium?

[mossy zinc]

Better odds with two hammers. But you're missing out on other hammers if you prioritize Long Knuckle.

[hot reef]

I think?

[mossy zinc]

You can.

[honest kernel]

wow i must not have noticed

[hot reef]

I don’t pay attention but I’m pretty sure I typically do

[hot reef]

I don’t really do speed runs and it increases range and damage so

I’ve done other hammers but they don’t suit my play style as well

[mossy zinc]

Actually no, not before Elysium. But it tends to show up first chamber in Elysium.

[honest kernel]

thats what i thought

[mossy zinc]

Should more often than not get it before Elysium mid-boss.

[hot reef]

Ah

[honest kernel]

yeah thats been my experience

[hot reef]

Me paying zero attention-

[honest kernel]

rin im curious, when did you frst get the game?

[mossy zinc]

The +10% on Long Knuckle might as well be +0% lol.

[hot reef]

Uh, I think before Christmas, November at the earliest

[honest kernel]

gotcha

[mossy zinc]

You do 1.5 more damage with each Attack.

[hot reef]

I disagree, it adds up

Helps with bosses since it adds up fast

Especially if you have the attack speed boost from hermes

And either way range is cool

[honest kernel]

lets say it takes 100 attacks to kill a boss

thats 150 bonus damage

[mossy zinc]

The range is good. The damage is meaningless.

[honest kernel]

you could get that from a single good jolt effect

[hot reef]

shrug

Either way it works for me

[honest kernel]

thats fair

[shy plinth]

Generally powerful builds aren't reliant on such small increases in my experience

[hot reef]

And I’ll be honest I don’t understand the damage boost system that well anyway

[mossy zinc]

With Demeter Aspect, the normal Attack combo is maybe 5% of your total DPS in boss fights.

[shy plinth]

As a general rule percentage increases for small hits aren't all that useful

[honest kernel]

yeah, high attack speed works best with stuff like zeus or dio because it stacks their own base damage quickly, whereas percent bonuses work better on things that have high base damage to begin with

zeus attack would be terrible on bow, whereas a percent bonus could double or even more your damage

[hot reef]

I’ve heard regular number increases work best for small hits

[honest kernel]

a percent bonus might be able to double your damage on fists or gun, but zeus has a higher base damage, so it can more than double your damage

[hot reef]

Makes sense

[honest kernel]

especially if you go for something like splitting bolt

which just makes your damage skyrocket

[mossy zinc]

Curse of Agony, Lightning Strike, and Heartbreak Strike have about the same single-target DPS on Malphon.

Not accounting for t2 etc.

[hot reef]

For the sword, what boons do you guys recommend

[ashen garnet]

Long Knuckle allows you to hit multiple enemies with the same attack. It's a situational damage increase

[honest kernel]

which aspect

[hot reef]

Zagreus lvl 1 since it’s fresh file I’m going for

[mossy zinc]

I don't know what the guys recommend, but I recommend Heartbreak Strike > Zeus' Aid > Smoldering Air, naturally.

[next acorn]

You dont grab long knuckle for the damage increase you grab it for the range

[hot reef]

Ye

[honest kernel]

oh wow, im so surprised.

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, the range is definitely great. Just the +10% is kinda meaningless lol.

[ashen garnet]

Yeah it always makes me laugh

[next acorn]

makes dealing with flame wheels way more bareable

[hot reef]

It would be OP with the range and hella high damage tho

[ashen garnet]

It also allows you to keep your attack online more often, so it's another situational damage increase

[honest kernel]

fresh file id say ME is probably good

[mossy zinc]

It's Lv.0, actually.

Just saying.

[honest kernel]

so ares attack, athena special > merciful end, after that athena dash and impending doom

[hot reef]

Sorry brain empty

[hot reef]

Aighty

[mossy zinc]

First boon you take is Divine Dash.

[honest kernel]

really? why?

[mossy zinc]

First offer is always Divine Strike, Phalanx Shot, and Divine Dash on first run.

Can't get Divine Flourish first boon.

[hot reef]

Divine strike honestly worked better for me with the single dash

But divine dash is always good

[mossy zinc]

Divine Strike doesn't get you ME.

[hot reef]

I know

So I’ll still go with dash

[honest kernel]

ah interesting, i didnt know

well then yeah dash first

[next acorn]

If your not on fresh file do you take flourish first?

[hot reef]

First run is pretty consistent I think

[next acorn]

So you can get ME itself sooner

[honest kernel]

yeah, to get ME as early as possible

[mossy zinc]

First run has a lot of exceptions.

[next acorn]

Its interesting to me how they make certain things about fresh file consistant

[hot reef]

Anyway I’m gonna go practice

[next acorn]

Think its cool how they start you with Athena to give you more survivability

[honest kernel]

oh yeah nyaa i was gonna say earlier, i was so sad because i had to sell hyper sprint in my sword run from before

[hot reef]

Guh fresh file bad

[honest kernel]

gl, let us know how it goes

[mossy zinc]

Fresh file and first run are different things, by the way.

[hot reef]

I know

I’m not new :,)) I’m starting a new file and then I’m gonna do a first run after I get good with no mirror or anything

I’m bad at words but

You get what I’m saying I think

Anyway

[mossy zinc]

I mean to me you're all new lol.

[honest kernel]

true

[hot reef]

Well

I’m not on my first run at least

[next acorn]

Whats the diference between fresh file and first run

isnt a fresh file the first run

[mossy zinc]

Fresh file is a speedrun category where you just get your first win as fast as possible, which often means quickly farming darkness and dying to just unlock second dash and maybe a DD + typically bow and then going for the clear on, I think, third run where you can actually run into Lord Hermes.

First run is just the very first run in a new save.

Every first run is fresh file, but not every fresh file is first run.

[next acorn]

ic

[mossy zinc]

Current fresh file WR is a first run, though, so that's kind of the meta for fresh file now at the top level.

But that's for top players. Most players are happy just doing fresh file with a second dash and maybe a DD.

[next acorn]

interesting

[honest kernel]

that makes sense

[buoyant horizon]

How is it possible to beat 32 heat run?! I'm struggling like hell with it T^T

[honest kernel]

what pacts are you using?

and what aspect and mirror things

[pseudo kernel]

whats your highest heat?

[mossy zinc]

The answer is practice, practice, practice.

You couldn't win at all the first few times you played. 32 is a lot like that the first time you try it.

You'll need to pay a lot more attention to how enemies behave and telegraph their attacks.

I never even noticed Inferno-Bombers when close do a little hop first to telegraph the triple bomb drop they do until I had to learn that at high heat.

[honest kernel]

For that one specifically, I don't even care about the animation, just the amount of time it takes for them to make their next move. The triple bomb has the slowest startup

[mossy zinc]

Of course you don't care about animations, you have a shield.

[ashen garnet]

Slowest startup, but damn that 3-bombs reach

[viscid fractal]

hi, with forced overtime active, is there a way to avoid asterius's attack where he just runs and charges into you ? I don't see how it's possible without hyper speed or 3+ dashes and I keep losing a lot to him. is there something to do ? am i doing something wrong ?

[honest kernel]

-pay attention to him telegraphing the attack
-make him run into a pillar or wall

[wintry berry]

Go near a wall, let him charge you and dodge

[viscid fractal]

so i was doing something wrong by just running away (150 hours lol)

thanks a lot guys

[honest kernel]

yes

np

[true fable]

yea he always stamps his feet before charging

[buoyant horizon]

21 or 22 with the bow

[true fable]

not too bad

20 or so to 32 is a big jump

took me a good 25-50 attempts to seriously get it

[mossy zinc]

If you're between two pillars and he charges at you, dash through him, and he'll crash into a pillar.

Same thing if you're between a pillar and a wall.

[severe schooner]

wow you guys are good, I am only on 16 as my highest

[true fable]

you can also dash through the pillar and back again

that should always shake him off regardless of his approach

[buoyant horizon]

Wow, I guess I'll just try with brute force ahaha

[mossy zinc]

Because he needs to do a 180°.

[true fable]

which bow aspects are you using

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, it took me like a week to do 32 after 20, but that was also with barely anyone knowing what to do at 32 at the time. If you're not getting a lot of tips, it can be really hard to figure things out on your own.

[honest kernel]

once i looked at the guides on this server it was only like 2 more tries for me

it is incredibly helpful

[buoyant horizon]

Oh, then I'll look up. Thank you so much!

[spice lava]

I just reviewed my main save: I jumped from 16 Heat to 32 in 1 try... With Rama Special 😂

Tailesque gonna hate

[honest kernel]

ew

[jaunty falcon]

Honestly thunder flourish with special speed and jolted is pretty good on rama

[honest kernel]

how do you even build rama special?

[jaunty falcon]

It just doesn't scale into elysium

[honest kernel]

What is Rama 👀

[jaunty falcon]

Hidden bow

[honest kernel]

Ah

What it do tho

slow attack, large damage, special marks enemies, makes them take a percentage of damage dealt to any enemy

[jaunty falcon]

The attacks are bigger but slower, the special fires 3 arrows that barely do any damage but are good for on-hit effects like zeus

[spice lava]

Basically you want relentless volley hammer and very specific boons on the special: Zeus works if you can have joletd double strike, high voltage or bolt in addition

[honest kernel]

YOOOOOOO

[jaunty falcon]

Does relentless volley even do anything with Zeus? because of the cooldown

[spice lava]

Ares special + dire misfortune + impending doom with relentless and you can possibly have 1k damage per doom

[honest kernel]

Want

[spice lava]

Dio special can work as well but you want the Dio/Ares duo, or Dio/Aphrodite

Bad influence is very efficient on rooms but Dio becomes weaker when it's only 1v1 like bosses

[honest kernel]

Yeah I like building to kill bosses

[jaunty falcon]

Rama is great for bosses, but only using the attack

[spice lava]

I was able to reach Elysium with Artemis special + relentless but I used Meg's earring keepsake after Tartarus to have decent DPS

[jaunty falcon]

Ive seen a 5s heroes fight with twin shot and lucky crits

[honest kernel]

I like using Pierced Butterfly

[jaunty falcon]

Oh god I've tried deadly flourish on Rama special, it was awful

[tired ruin]

yall not rocking with hestia railgun and battle rage ⁉️

[honest kernel]

Nah

Hestia butt water

you gotta upgrade hestia for it to be good

damage goes up quite a bit

Okie

[jaunty falcon]

Level 1 is 50 damage, level 5 is 150

[tired ruin]

depends on how you play, i got my 32 heat with it in my second or third try

[honest kernel]

I see

[jaunty falcon]

Fiery presence one shots most of tart and aspho

[honest kernel]

I'm still new to the game

Only had it for like a week

Lil more

[tired ruin]

oh aight

[honest kernel]

Yeye

[tired ruin]

no rush in the game

enjoy as much as you can

[honest kernel]

I still don't know the meta lol

[spice lava]

bouncing fire is very good with Hestia

[honest kernel]

I am it's really fun

I'm halfway to true ending I'm loving it

[jaunty falcon]

Ricochet, hazard bomb, cluster rockets are all great on hestia

[tired ruin]

make sure you talk to all the available npc’s, and to give your nectar

[honest kernel]

Yup yup, I got bonds forged already

Companions and that

[tired ruin]

gjgjgj

[honest kernel]

Thankthankthank

Cerberus a real one ngl

[dawn cedar]

i like cerberus

[honest kernel]

He's nice

[dawn cedar]

he is also a dog

which is good

[honest kernel]

Dog good :)

[next acorn]

woof

[spice lava]

It's okay-ish when I got it accidentally but not recommended https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/831148717687701504/836716016322478120/unknown.png

Without Earring, it's bad

[pseudo kernel]

Deadly flourish rama is good if you like tickling your enemies

[mossy zinc]

Low Tolerance on Rama makes actually no sense. If you hit anything with Attack to apply Weak, everything dies. Only Curse of Nausea or Splitting Headache make any real sense. Low Tolerance would only matter for bosses.

I mean I guess you could do it with Passion Dash, but why take that over Heartbreak Strike if you have her in your pool unless you're going for Deadly Strike, but that's three specific gods in your pool now that you would need for Low Tolerance to make sense, and you would have to get close to apply Weak which kind of defeats the purpose of safely tagging everything with your Special.

Not that you couldn't do it.

But it's just kind of . . . why?

[mossy zinc]

What do you mean "not rocking"? Hestia is by far one of the best aspects for high heat with- or without Battle Rage. But Battle Rage is def great on it.

[tired ruin]

issa joke, and another person said it was butt water so i decided to meme

[mossy zinc]

Ah.

We have a weapon index in the leaderboard that you can look at, anyway, to see which aspects are used by a lot of players at high heat.

Though it doesn't necessarily represent aspect strength because the player pool at high heat is relatively small, and people just play whatever they like.

[spice lava]

I think you missed the point. Me and Schad are playing around with stuff like Special Rama because it's fun. It's not about still gravitating around the main Rama mechanics, it's about experimenting Special Rama and build around it with boons to make it work at 50 or more. We don't play with the idea of safely tagging everything with the Special, we just run free and see how the dps goes even if that means becoming reckless by doing more commitment in order to use stuff like Low Tolerance despite the Special purpose

You're right, Low Tolerance would only matter for bosses mainly but like I said earlier, the Dio's DPS is the weakest when the fight is 1v1

[solemn pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/843317543435501598/unknown.png

Idk this fight had pretty good dps

[true fable]

i

is this what you did while i was streaming all day

if so

i wish i never stopped streaming

[spice lava]

poom poom poom gameplay

[true fable]

i mean

i guess drunken strike splitting is almost like deadly strike ???

i guess???

[solemn pulsar]

I was streaming filling out my 40 clears

Magnil asked for zag rail, I thought I’d try out the retrash special and started dio

But then chamber 1 spread fire

Didn’t get splitting until Styx sadly

There was still a ton of damage

Especially with piercing fire

@true fable I actually passed up a heroic arty attack replacement

Bc it was hangover time

Spread fire + hangover + clouded judgment == like 4 full arty calls in the hades fight

It’s just good

It’s like drunken strike sword but cooler

[true fable]

aight

uh

hmm

no

tbh maybe even just better without spread

[solemn pulsar]

Nah big base dam

Only 5 stacks max

So you’re wasting the rest of the shots

Spread gives aoe too

Hit more than one at once

[halcyon flame]

spread fire + drunken strike + splitting headache + pash dash + low tolerance

potential big crits???? including heart rend???

[solemn pulsar]

Need divine dash

For safety

[solemn pulsar]

@mossy zinc @shy plinth @whoever else manages spreadsheet i submitted one under cgull instead of c_gull by mistake

[shy plinth]

Fixed

[solemn pulsar]

thank you

[mossy zinc]

Tailesque is the third person.

[true fable]

range is also just good

tho

[solemn pulsar]

Yeah both can be good

But this can be fun

[true fable]

true

RI2 makes me sad mostly because it punished spreadfire mega hard

[solemn pulsar]

Watch the highlight I was having a blast

[true fable]

i believe

spread fire is fun

i got it beat out of me doing zag rail 50 lol

[solemn pulsar]

I’d love to do spread fire 50

Sounds like hell tho

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel Chaos boons aren't allowed for the boonless leaderboard, but that starts at 32 anyway. But if it's fun, that's all that matters.

[honest kernel]

figures

anyway it was fun

and i got the olypian free thing so thats cool

[mossy zinc]

I've been thinking about changing the rules to just allow any run that qualifies for the title.

But that's a community decision anyway.

[next acorn]

So I beat 20 heat and want to do 32. Should I go straight to 32 or do something like 25 first?

[quartz mantle]

Maybe use some 32 heat strategies at lower levels to get used to them better, like using LC4 with stubborn defiance

Keeping core pact options like LC4, TD2/3, FO1/2 consistent will help you maintain your skills when going for 32 heat

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel I don't recommend doing 0 Heat for your casual runs if you want to get into high heat seriously. Keep on EM2 FO2 at minimum. 0 Heat allows for too much sloppy play. IMO you get zero meaningful practice for high heat in a 0 Heat run. Even only EM2 FO2 is probably not good practice if you're not pushing for a new PB.

At your current level, I think, if you want to keep making progress at a good pace, you always want to play at a level that's actually genuinely challenging you. If there's no risk of losing a run or you're not pushing for a new PB, your heat is way too low to be learning much at all and can actually reinforce bad strategies and tactics.

Let me know if that advice is unwanted, but you always seem to be wanting to make good progress, so I figured I'd say something when I saw your recent victory screens.

[quartz mantle]

I personally never play without FO2, at least EM3, BP2, MM, UC, and at least TD2 (Usually TD3)

Constantly playing with FO2 helps for muscle memory a lot

[mossy zinc]

I've played so much that I can play with FO0 for a week and go back to FO2 and only need like half a run at most to get back into it.

But it's not something you can just do if you don't have hundreds of hours in the game with FO2.

[next acorn]

So just figure out what pact I want and then do runs with just certain parts of it to get used to it?

[mossy zinc]

BP2 and MM are definitely also good ideas. TD3 depends on how good your clear speed and if it makes a difference.

UC doesn't have any mechanical changes, it just hurts your build. I think it doesn't make much of a difference if you keep it on or turn it off for practice.

You can still practice MM and EM fights and stuff with UC off.

[quartz mantle]

Keeping UC on helps your playing mindset of getting safety boons that you don't need for your build but are good to sell

[next acorn]

How is this for a 32 fists pact. Just want to make sure it’s good before I start practicing around it.
HL1, LC2, JS3, EM3, CP2, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, DC2
I also want to avoid TD because it stresses me out and makes the game less fun for me

[unique zephyr]

You’re missing out on heat not doing TD, what is your average clear time

Around 36 minutes should let you do TD1

Around 28 TD2

TD1 and TD2 aren’t that bad but TD3 is hard

[honest kernel]

uh I guess ur going for the slowest pact possible

but if thats what you want

its just gonna be harder than normal

[unique zephyr]

LC4 instead of CP2 maybe?

CP2 makes everything so much harder

Everything will take so long to die

[honest kernel]

CP2 is awful yes

[unique zephyr]

I would maybe put some JS points into HL, JS3 makes rooms very dangerous

[honest kernel]

DC2 is also kinda bad

[unique zephyr]

For fists it’s okay

[honest kernel]

meh

for dio fists and zeus fists maybw

[unique zephyr]

I run zeus fists

Is there another way to run fists?

[honest kernel]

since they arent going TD it wont matter as much I suppose

[unique zephyr]

TD does pause when you pause the game and stuff, TD1 really isn’t bad

If you timed out it’s probably because you used slow pacts

[dawn drift]

I use it every run

[honest kernel]

ok

I'd def take off CP2 at least maybe put one or two more points into HL or CF

[next acorn]

Is it better to put points into HL or LC

[honest kernel]

depends on if you want to use the SD strat or not

[next acorn]

Probably using SD

[honest kernel]

LC4 prob better then

[next acorn]

K

How much should I take off JS

[honest kernel]

1~2 I'd say

[next acorn]

And put it in HL?

[honest kernel]

sure?

are you experienced with FO2 though

[next acorn]

I’ve been using FO1 but I can learn 2

[honest kernel]

heres the thing tbh

[narrow carbon]

CF1-2 is really not bad. I just finished all aspects 32, and HL is much harder for me, when using SD and FO2 at Hades fight

[honest kernel]

it seems like you just want to take as much time as you want

and take the slowest pacts

[next acorn]

Timer just stresses me out

[honest kernel]

high heat players are gonna hate to see it, since that strategy usually doesnt turn out well

not just timer, youre taking pacts that slow you down big time

so if you wanna try this just go ahead tbh

[next acorn]

Well if it isn’t good I want to know how to make it better

That’s why I’m asking

[honest kernel]

well the thing thats good isnt what you want to do

[next acorn]

The only thing I don’t want to is timer

[honest kernel]

okay then

max HL

[next acorn]

Anything else completely open to

Max HL by taking heat out of CP and JS I assume?

[honest kernel]

im not sure how the numbers are

I'd priortize taking off EM3+CP for now

that combination is going to blow

[next acorn]

I’m used to EM3 though

Still worth taking it off?

[honest kernel]

used to with what pacts tho

also what fists do you want to build actually

[next acorn]

Talos

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/843601338289225788/image0.jpg

[honest kernel]

oh ME

hm

I mean honestly I think maxHL +FO2 is just gonna kill you if youre not used to FO2

but its what I can take because im used to it

so my suggestion rn is: put LC4, take off 1 point of CP and JS

play it and see how it goes

depending on what kills you in case you cant do it, you can take adjustments

[next acorn]

I was thinking of just practicing FO2 to get used to it

I’ll try the LC4 though

ty

Also should I be doing a different build than ME?

[true fable]

tbh ME is going to let you outDPS bosses until like very very high up in heat

[unique zephyr]

FO2 is good to get used to but is harder on fists bc melee range

[true fable]

also its safer than most other setups

[unique zephyr]

I put on FO2 and LC4 to practice a bit before high heat

But the best way to practice 32 is to do 32

[true fable]

if you want to learn how to actually fight HL5 FO2 bosses then zeus fists is the move

[unique zephyr]

I cleared 40 fists with zeus (I used FO2 HL5 EM3)

I did EM2 for 32 fists

EM3 is much harder with fists than other weapons that have actual range

High heat fists is very hard, do you have a ranged weapon you like?

Or shield

I found fists my easiest weapon at low heat but so far hardest at high heat, haven’t done sword 40 though

If you want the clear and don’t mind the fail condition of not getting Merciful End in time, ME is fine (I haven’t tried ME at high heat, the few times I did I whiffed ME)

[shy plinth]

ME good

[unique zephyr]

A bit boring imo though

[shy plinth]

Take legacy over pride

[unique zephyr]

In terms of interacting with the game

I did, I think, not sure

[shy plinth]

I suppose so but I like big damage

[unique zephyr]

I use Rama for big damage

[next acorn]

Ik fists aren’t great but it’s just what I started with

[unique zephyr]

Power shot crits are satisfying (and give big numbers)

[next acorn]

I also just think it’s fun to play so I’ve stuck with it

[shy plinth]

Fists are fine

[next acorn]

But if I ever go above 32 I’ll prob use eris

[shy plinth]

Demeter scales pretty well

And I got my first 40 with gilga lol

[next acorn]

I use Talos ;-;

[shy plinth]

Oh

Use demeter

[next acorn]

But yoink

[shy plinth]

Talos is fun but not competitive really

[next acorn]

And 50% damage buff

[shy plinth]

It just isn't as relevant as pressing special and deleting an enemy

[true fable]

fists are good

just depends on your goals

ME is good enough for up to 45 heat tbh

50 is when it starts becoming slightly impossible to assemble the pieces

[shy plinth]

Yeah up until AP ranges

[true fable]

tbh i think its ok with AP1

AP2 or RI1 are the cutoffs for boon hungry builds IMO

things like dio beo or ME fists

[shy plinth]

It is if you train your emotional management

[true fable]

LOL

good way to put it

[shy plinth]

But you will absolutely get ME proc blocked on ap1

Gotta be able to roll with that

[next acorn]

I just find it fluid to yoink them into range and then delet them with ME

Also just helps with fists short range

But I do get why Dem is better

[jovial ravine]

idk if I can brag about this in the victory boasting, but I finally got the 32 heat statue. Not really something I would have attempted or thought I could achieve but I did it. Did a shackle run for it.

[silver bough]

Damn you crazy people!

I’m struggling at stinkin 3 heat dotndngk

[unique zephyr]

I used to struggle at 3 heat too, or even 0 heat no god mode once I turned it off

We all start somewhere, I used to play god mode but I cleared 45 heat recently

[silver bough]

Damn!

[jovial ravine]

I had god mode on and I was struggling with 19 heat a few days ago but damn i really wanted that last statue lmao

[true fable]

nice

congrats cricket

[silver bough]

I don’t even know what these statues look like but I’m excited to see

[jovial ravine]

i did the demeter fists tho cause i like smashing buttons and being really fast. Im really proud of myself so ty ;w;

idk if i can show the statues in victory boasting but i will say that after you get the set you can admire them and i just really love doing that. Makes it feel worth it

[silver bough]

Yo wait god mode?

I just looked that up I didn’t even know that was a thing

[jovial ravine]

it's funny cause right after the 32 heat with fists, i did a shield run since it was thirsty and it was only 3 heat and i forgot how slow it was

i need that on. im too reckless lol

[silver bough]

Shield is fun

That would help me a lot tho

Damn

[jovial ravine]

i just need to get used to it i think. you do like 15 runs of fists in a row then you dont want to really learn anything else

[silver bough]

^^

[jovial ravine]

goes up everytime you die so good to go ahead and if you think its too easy later you can turn it back off and it remember where you were

[silver bough]

I used to only use shield and then I realized I got more stuff by changing stuff up

[jovial ravine]

yeah i'd like to get to a place where i can get to 20 heat on all weapons to get the bounties and feel like i understand the weapons

and also cause i gotta spend my week somehow before miitopia comes out lol

[silver bough]

Lol yes

[jovial ravine]

prozd talked about getting all the hades steam achievements on twitter and it lit a fire in me and i swung back into the game with a wild passion. Very happy for that and the ability to do cross saves with the switch

[silver bough]

:D yeah! It’s really neat

Even tho I only got it on the switch like a noob

[jovial ravine]

But for heat i realize I personally hate jury summons and that extreme measures for the first two is pretty easy heat. I also don't think i can do tight deadline at all with the shield but I just gotta figure out if I can make the shield more aggressive

and ah i didnt have it on steam either

I had my roomate buy it for me since he was driving my car alot lol

[silver bough]

^^ good to know aboht the heat things

[jovial ravine]

and then i did the crosssaves and realized I just needed a few more achievements. Did the 30 butterfly thing which was SUCH a pain omfg

[silver bough]

I do not want to touch tight deadline

What is that

[jovial ravine]

once i learned about using free rooms i was was more chill about TD

its where you get 30% on thanatos keepsake which means you need to take zero damage for 15 encounters

which as a reckless person who likes fists, was a big pain but i got it\

saw someone get 44 with it one time and im like lordy no

[silver bough]

:0

[jovial ravine]

free rooms as in going to the store and meeting people whenever it shows since they are quick

[honest kernel]

Yeah no worries all advice is welcome, most of the time I run 9 heat, I did a lot of 0 heat runs yesterday because i was just going for prophecy stuff, but that makes sense, it probably would’ve been better to be continuing to practice on a bit higher heat

[jovial ravine]

beat hades with like 5 minutes left in my 32 heat with that tactic

[silver bough]

Damn

[jovial ravine]

i agree with the EM2 but damn i hate FO. I'd rather just have hard labor or convenience fee or even lasting consequences

forced overtime makes hades a bit too fast for my liking

but i guess for high heat thats the point to get used to it idk

[silver bough]

I once put the extra damage with traps and I’m dumb and I keep stepping on spikes

[jovial ravine]

feel that, i never turn that one on

i do dashstrike straight into lava lmao

[silver bough]

It’s almost like zagreus likes having spikes in his feet

[jovial ravine]

and with EM2 on and that its like asking to die

[silver bough]

God...lava

[jovial ravine]

lmao

i hate the lava. and like hermes dash is great but if im fast with like 3 extra dash im ending up in lava

its unavoidable

[honest kernel]

the thing about FO is that after a while you get used to it and its not so bad

[silver bough]

I struggle with Lernie v.2 I’m scared of what the Elysium brothers are gonna do to me

[honest kernel]

when i first started trying to get better times i ran the typical FO2 EM2 on my runs and at first it was terrible

[jovial ravine]

damn i should probably practice with that on. i hate how fast the hands are tho. they always get me

[silver bough]

Athena is a real one for saving my butt so often

[jovial ravine]

yeah with lernie i just need a good dash and cast thing since sometimes i cant always hit in a safe spot and i need to get out of lava

[silver bough]

And like, Aphrodite aid? Best

[jovial ravine]

love that. Im like oh you were gonna attack? nah interupt

[silver bough]

Yes

[jovial ravine]

i do like a good zeus and poseidon combo tho, especially when i get to the styx. nothing like slamming rats into walls and just clearing rooms in seconds

[silver bough]

^^

[jovial ravine]

i dont like how much theseus blocks and i have to get around him but i believe you will become strong and kick his ass

[silver bough]

Lol yes 💪

I hate his hamsome face

[jovial ravine]

EM3 is wild tho. I hate asterius spin. I do not recommend

[silver bough]

WHAT

[mossy zinc]

I think at 20, you won't feel like you understand the weapons.

[jovial ravine]

you can buy his handsome face btw at the contractor. Long hair is v pretty

And damn. Just the bounties then

[silver bough]

😩 i kmow

[jovial ravine]

i love that when i bought it he was like "oh am i going to become obsessed with theseus" and i was like now hang on are we

i need to get better at gun, i want to like it so bad

it is 1am and so i will leave now. Good luck

[silver bough]

Have fun!

[mossy zinc]

https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/eris-rail-guide/

[mossy zinc]

EM2 FO2 is standard for speedruns.

[true fable]

or EM2 FO1

FO is almost always used

[honest kernel]

FO2 makes it so that enemies spawn faster

[true fable]

FO0 is very abnormal for speedruns

[jovial ravine]

oh yeah cause they make them spawn in quick. i just wasnt sure if people do high heat in here for speed or for difficulty

[true fable]

both

[jovial ravine]

ahhhh

[mossy zinc]

If people can beat EM2 FO2 in sub 7 and you want to do high heat eventually but have problems even clearing with EM2 FO2, all the more reason to not take it off and practice.

[jovial ravine]

sub 7?

[honest kernel]

btw ive been wondering, does anyone here have any videos where they do like 32-40 heat runs? i realized the other day when i was doing my 4 16 heat runs with the other weapons that my playstyle on these higher heat runs might be flawed

and by might be i mean most definitely

[mossy zinc]

Sub 7 minutes, yes.

[mossy zinc]

There are plenty of videos on the high heat leaderboard. Check pins.

[honest kernel]

perfect thanks

theres a lot of vids on heats yeah

you can look at my 40heat playlist

[mossy zinc]

Every run on the board has video.

[honest kernel]

ofc cgull is up there

not surprised in the slightest

oh and tailesque too

[mossy zinc]

Well, Tailesque is the current WR holder.

[honest kernel]

yeah makes sense

oh even spammy has a run up there pog

ok yeah this is fantastic, thanks a bunch

[true fable]

what am i

chopped liver

[mossy zinc]

Who?

[true fable]

lol

[honest kernel]

alright im doing a 32 heat beowulf run, just beat alecto with 2 seconds left on TD3, luckily i got charged shot hammer and a natural poseidon and artemis so its looking good so far

also rare crop on my aphro cast

ok got mirage in asphodel looking good

alright going into styx, hope for a 2 sack

ugh, first tunnel tiny vermin -_-

omg its a 3 sack, ive got 1 encounter left of styx dark

yessss

[halcyon flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/843899525672337408/Hades_327.png

is this an alright pact for 45 heat

[solemn pulsar]

I'm gonna pitch EM4 honestly because it's

1. comfy-ish on beo
2. is kinda fun, if hard
3. allows you to run CF0, JS2, HS0 (doing em4 without 150 damage pots is great)

if you are EM4-averse then yeah that looks fine

hell mode also an option for 45, now that you're on CP1 anyhow

[halcyon flame]

i could try em4

but that might not turn out very well

with hl5 and fo2 on

[solemn pulsar]

just block 🙂

[honest kernel]

i think DC1 or 2 could help alleviate some pressure from JS/CP

probably not 2

with beo

but DC1 isnt so bad

[true fable]

any amount of DC should not be taken until 50

imo

this looks fine

but EM4 would be easier

[honest kernel]

really?

[true fable]

yeah DC sucks lol

[honest kernel]

dc is really easy for me on most weapons

[true fable]

i dont even take it in my 58 heat attempts

i mean

what heat are you talking

[honest kernel]

well like 32

i suppose that might be the difference here

[next acorn]

sheild be slow though

[true fable]

how much tight deadline do you run

[honest kernel]

3

[true fable]

shield is not slow, but DC is

[next acorn]

Is it not one of the slower ones though

[true fable]

non zeus shields do a ton of damage with their first two hits

i mean

not really?

beo shield is 3rd in terms of aspects at 50 heat for speed

[honest kernel]

usually with beowulf its ok for me cause the bull rush takes away the dc hit and then my casts do the bulk of the damage

i think potato means slow as in slow hitting

[next acorn]

By slow I mean each individual hit is big and slower as opposed to weak fast ones like the rail

[honest kernel]

yeah

[next acorn]

which makes DC worse right?

[honest kernel]

generally

[honest kernel]

this is why i think dc1 is ok on beo

[true fable]

the bull rush is still a lot of your damage

dc is worse than you think it is

[honest kernel]

interesting

[true fable]

nyaanyaa has always put it like this

[honest kernel]

thanks for the info

[true fable]

acorn is considered one of the best defensive keepsakes

think about why

[honest kernel]

yeah that makes sense

[true fable]

then imagine giving every enemy a two hit acorn

[honest kernel]

nyaa certainly does have much wisdom on these topics

[solemn pulsar]

fr tho? wew

[next acorn]

Thats a really cool way of thinking about it

[solemn pulsar]

the lower damage/faster hit rate your weapon is, the less DC matters

but it will always slow you down

zeus buffed attack/special do not mind it too much, since DC2 is cleared in 1 hit (primary, not chain) and DC1 even faster

but even for something like zeus shield with zeus special, which really doesn't mind DC2 at all, it's effectively giving enemies 60 extra HP (30 damage for special hit with no other buffs + 30 damage for common level 1 zeus special with no other buff), which is significant in tartarus

numbskulls go from 1 hit to 2 hits (twice as long!) for example

[merry otter]

Does that mean DC is less bad in elysium?

[true fable]

in a manner of speaking i suppose

but you dont get to pick and choose i guess

[devout quiver]

its probably the worst in Elysium, relative to other areas.
since it applies to the cores of the champions

[true fable]

is the point

[devout quiver]

so its like they get 4 shields on DC2

[true fable]

yeah having DC on things like souls and dad's skulls is something that people often dont think about

dad's skulls going from one hit to 3 hit is a big deal for how you approach the dad fight

[mossy zinc]

Players who are new to high heat always say this because they really underestimate DC.

[mossy zinc]

DC sucks for naked shades.

[honest kernel]

oof

[mossy zinc]

It's a really common thing to hear from people who get into high heat. "But isn't this fine? DC is really easy for me."

You gotta keep in mind also that if you're just getting into high heat, you don't have a lot of pacts to compare what you've been doing to.

[honest kernel]

thats totally fair

that being said...

just did 32 heat bowq

4 down, 2 to go

[mossy zinc]

Nice! Congratulations! 💕

Now do it again in sub 10.

[honest kernel]

):

[mossy zinc]

[honest kernel]

i havent even done 9 heat sub 10

[mossy zinc]

lol I wasn't even close to sub 10 at any Heat when I did my first 41.

[honest kernel]

i will say, fists and spear are what ive been dreading most in terms of doing 32 heat

fists are so short range i feel like im gonna struggle with some enemies

and spear is just... eh. idk what it is about it, i just feel like i dont do much damage

[true fable]

spear is bad unless you get specific hammers for each

flurry for achilles, flurry/exploding launcher for zag

[honest kernel]

guan yu needs charged skewer and achillies needs flurry jab right?

[true fable]

serrated/exploding launcher for hades

charged skewer for gy

yeah

[honest kernel]

which aspect would you recommend if i just wanna do 32 heat on spear

achilles?

[true fable]

flurry jab achilles is simplest

[mossy zinc]

Nah Guan Yu is actually really flexible with hammers.

Charged Skewer is obviously the best, but the spin hammers and Serrated Point are also really good.

It's rare that you get bad upgrades first hammer.

Easiest would be just reset for Flurry Jab in Tartarus and start with Tidal Dash probably.

For Achilles.

But if you don't wanna reset, I would say probably start with a Cast build and pivot into Flurry Jab if you see it.

Although Tidal Dash still works either way, anyway.

IMO you only need Charged Skewer if you don't know how to play Guan Yu, but that's kinda on you. But spin builds can actually be super cheesy too especially if you get Quick Spin or Massive Spin.

[honest kernel]

ive only done spin builds thus far with GY

i havent tried doing a special build

but those are very fun

[next acorn]

Is spin not the best build for Guan Yu?

[mossy zinc]

You only have 50% health, but you can also easily constantly cap your HP throughout the run. You can't really do that with LC4 with any other aspect.

[pseudo kernel]

Charged skewer makes big number

[honest kernel]

wait, GY healing goes through LC4?

[pseudo kernel]

It's also a lot safer than spin builds

[next acorn]

But do you not want to use spin for heals

[mossy zinc]

Guan Yu's spin, Stygius's Cursed Slash, and the Twin Fists Draining Cutter can all heal through LC4, yes.

[honest kernel]

interesting

[next acorn]

noted

[true fable]

other guan yu hammers can be fine

[gaunt fiber]

Between waves to burst enemies, and from times to times between your dps rotation to get that +2/3 per room so you can maintain a high hp pool

[honest kernel]

so my current loadout is: HL2 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP1 MM UC FO2 TD3

[gaunt fiber]

The idea is not to lose SD in tartarus

[true fable]

but if youre comparing quick spin and serrated to charged skewer youre hard coping

yeah hang on to your health

[pseudo kernel]

Wait what aspect are you using

[next acorn]

So you throw it in when its very safe to do so

[honest kernel]

any suggestions or notes about this before i try GY/

?*

[true fable]

i still dont think ive seen a guan yu 50 without charged skewer

that looks ok ish

[gaunt fiber]

If you're a beginner with the aspect yes

[true fable]

why HL2 CF2

just do HL4

Cf2 sucks

[gaunt fiber]

Hadesprof is quick/massive deadly strike

[honest kernel]

really? i dont mind it that much

[gaunt fiber]

I almost cleared with the same combo

[true fable]

legend

[honest kernel]

i can go for HL4 if you think thats better

[gaunt fiber]

It's actually cheesing the game

[true fable]

CF2, like DC2 is worse than you think

[gaunt fiber]

you can literally face tank

[true fable]

HL4 will not change how you play

[honest kernel]

alrighty

[true fable]

youre still not trying to get hit

[honest kernel]

anything else?

[true fable]

hmm

Bp1 is probably fine

just a little odd

[honest kernel]

bp1 is fine for me but every time i play with bp2 i just cry because of something like teleporting seeker witches or smth stupid like that

[true fable]

yeah

sensible

[honest kernel]

or ill get ghost/DC skulls and they just will continually regenerate their DC hearts

i got that on one of my hera runs and i literally just didnt know what to do

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, 50 is def something else. But at 32 it's still very very flexible.

Not much of a speedrun 32 aspect, though.

[true fable]

32 its flexible yeah

[mossy zinc]

But TD3 is no problem at all no matter what you get.

[true fable]

i think its still super quick with charged skewer but 32 might be a different beast

DD LC4 could be worth looking into?

[mossy zinc]

Even if first hammer is a bust, second hammer is gonna be decent.

[true fable]

not sure

[mossy zinc]

It's fast with Charged Skewer and ME.

[true fable]

yeah

resetting for charged skewer AND natural ares?? sign me up

[mossy zinc]

Just get Charged Skewer + ME on 50+, easy.

[next acorn]

just practice rng

[honest kernel]

update, died on second stage hades just before i got my greater athena call. he was about to be on his last half health spurt

super tragic

one less hit and i wouldve been able to burst him down

[pseudo kernel]

Rip

[honest kernel]

i had splitting, quick spin and massive spin that run, i dont like my chances at getting that again

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but you might get Charged Skewer and Smoldering Air or something.

[honest kernel]

after 2 more tries, ive decided to try achilles