#h1-high-heat-strategies

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gaunt fiber
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I've discovered the maim way

mossy zinc
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Sigh.

gaunt fiber
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meow

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(that's the maim sound effect)

vital grove
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What's the sound effect when a thug hits you for 300 damage?

gaunt fiber
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oof

mossy zinc
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dunnn dunnnn dun-dunnnnnn

gaunt fiber
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The same as Guan Yoof

mossy zinc
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"Again?!"

vital grove
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Yeah that's the one

agile gyro
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i only have 4 aspects lmao

unique zephyr
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How do I use Triple Shot on Rama and why is it considered so good?

celest grail
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Be very close to enemies

agile gyro
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what does rama do

celest grail
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All three of your shots can hit one enemy

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If you're close enough

agile gyro
edgy arrow
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3x multiplicative damage good

long axle
gaunt fiber
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You hug enemies, then whispers "dw you're not going to suffer" then BONK

celest grail
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Its a bit risky in high heat

agile gyro
celest grail
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Pretty much every hidden aspect is that

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More dmg for low speed

agile gyro
celest grail
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Except for gilga, as nya would say

long axle
celest grail
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Which is no dmg at the cost of attack speed

edgy arrow
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except beowulf which is more damage for more damage

gaunt fiber
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Gilga is extremely slow

mossy zinc
agile gyro
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man, i have a loooooooooooooooooooong way to go

gaunt fiber
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compared to regular malphon

mossy zinc
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Gilgamesh is no damage for low speed.

agile gyro
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i havent maxed a single relationship

gaunt fiber
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but you have the meow Nyaanyaa

agile gyro
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every time i get nectar i give it to Than or Meg

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whoever i find first

edgy arrow
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gilga is a tradeoff: you lose every reason you would play malphon but in return you get nothing

gaunt fiber
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Jinnans may I ask if you're from the glorious country of the gratin dauphinois

long axle
agile gyro
mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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but the meow

agile gyro
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im not french if thats what you mean

long axle
# agile gyro ??

i'm just asking what you heat goal is if you've beaten the base game

gaunt fiber
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ok ok

agile gyro
agile gyro
gaunt fiber
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poggies

agile gyro
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👌

agile gyro
gaunt fiber
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Es necesario que subir la temperatura

agile gyro
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LOL

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you tried 🤝

long axle
gaunt fiber
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wait did I fail

agile gyro
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"Es necesario subir la temperatura"

gaunt fiber
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Damn

agile gyro
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i mean the rest is good

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sounds kinda formal but its gramatically correct nonetheless

gaunt fiber
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Oh yeah the que is another structure for subjuntivo

agile gyro
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yes

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Es necesario que subas la temperatura

edgy arrow
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is this a linguistics channel now

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i’m into it

gaunt fiber
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high heat linguistics only

edgy arrow
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the most important branch of linguistics

agile gyro
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lmao

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i prefer the weapon names in spanish over english ngl

long axle
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i'm being breached of being a low heat player....better define the characteristics of a "high heat" player

agile gyro
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how do you call the sword in eng?

edgy arrow
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“high” is an inherently relative term

long axle
gaunt fiber
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Usually 32 heat is a starting point because game (won't spoil more) and the high heat leaderboards pinned here starts at 32

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does not mean that under 32 is ez pz

edgy arrow
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1 heat is high heat if the game is hard on 0 heat

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which it can be

gaunt fiber
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yup

agile gyro
long axle
gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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The old board started at 40 FYI.

agile gyro
mossy zinc
agile gyro
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i prefer the name in spanish

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its Estigiana

gaunt fiber
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Stygiuso

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hey I tried

edgy arrow
agile gyro
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coronacht is Coronacto

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aegis is Égida

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exagryph is Exagrifo

gaunt fiber
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malphon is malphona

long axle
agile gyro
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malphon is Malfon

gaunt fiber
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damn

agile gyro
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and varatha is Varatea

edgy arrow
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lol what

mossy zinc
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"Got reported" to whom? thanthink

edgy arrow
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^

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who is this hades authority who is reporting folks

agile gyro
gaunt fiber
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It was me but I gave up

agile gyro
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lol really

honest kernel
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was this on reddit or something

gaunt fiber
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nope

agile gyro
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ohok

long axle
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i honestly have no idea and I've previously been excluded from chats so I don't risk it @edgy arrow

honest kernel
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???

agile gyro
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changed my nickname :D

honest kernel
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thats very strange

edgy arrow
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where was this

long axle
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are you asking me?

edgy arrow
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yeah

long axle
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oh this has happened since feb 2020

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a month after I joined

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very sporadic

edgy arrow
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wait that happened in this channel?

honest kernel
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no way

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has to be some random ass discord right

long axle
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I've had different account to avoid it....athresh5 and another gmail account

edgy arrow
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oh rip language filter got me lmao

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been a while

long axle
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tbh this is not a big deal

honest kernel
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time for you to be excluded too....

unique zephyr
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Does Rama have a hard time with shifter enemies or is it just me

edgy arrow
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but yeah that’s big oof

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none of the regulars here would do that

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must have been some idiot throwing their weight around for no reason

honest kernel
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I dont have a hard time with shifters, no

long axle
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i dunno i can provide you my accounts

mossy zinc
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You can't "report" somebody for claiming they've done 32, anyway.

edgy arrow
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wait are you saying you were actually banned?

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not just like, told to leave or something

long axle
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why would I be banned?

edgy arrow
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oh thank god

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absolutely no reason at all

unique zephyr
long axle
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am i being "detained" ?

edgy arrow
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either way, 32 heat is high heat by basically anyone’s definition

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screw gatekeepers

long axle
mossy zinc
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The reason you couldn't post in #hades-feedback when you joined the server was either that you didn't have the Early Access role or that the channel was already closed by then. That has nothing to do with you specifically being excluded from any channel.

honest kernel
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I won't they that they arent annoying, they are always annoying

unique zephyr
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All they really do is lose time for me

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the shifter isn't the reason I die

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I hope I get the 40 heat rama clear soon

long axle
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ty for my ritual

unique zephyr
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I did get to dad then died

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that's the furthest I've gotten

edgy arrow
gaunt fiber
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that's far enough

edgy arrow
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man that explains it

honest kernel
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you can do it 🙏

mossy zinc
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And no mod will take action on you for saying you've done 32 Heat or whatever.

edgy arrow
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was losing my mind for a second

gaunt fiber
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let's prove it

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I'VE DONE 32 HEAT

edgy arrow
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woah

gaunt fiber
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see I'm fine

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vevpevpezgv

long axle
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win it for us boiz!!!!!

edgy arrow
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someone ban astaos quick

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outrageous lies here

unique zephyr
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Banned for crimes against Beowulf

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(I'm way worse at Beo but haha funni doomstone)

gaunt fiber
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No that was indeed a crime

mossy zinc
edgy arrow
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you’ll have to atone for that crime yeah

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i sentence you to 500 GY runs

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oh wait

gaunt fiber
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I accept

edgy arrow
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a brutal punishment to be sure

unique zephyr
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you must do 60 heat GY

mossy zinc
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You'll never get 500 complete Guan Yu runs. 99% of your runs end prematurely.

spice lava
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Just sentence him to one Arthur 50 heat run and he'll give us a break 😏

edgy arrow
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lol

gaunt fiber
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:(

mossy zinc
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50 Heat Excalibur sounds more painful than 50 Heat Guan Yu.

edgy arrow
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arthur 40 was like, the hardest thing i’ve done in my life

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i can’t even comprehend 50

gaunt fiber
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it's alright

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But the aspect gets boring imo

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It's much safer than Guan Yu

mossy zinc
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It's a Cast aspect with no bonus to your Casts and no way to load your Casts. Very confusing.

waxen relic
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agreed

edgy arrow
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lol

long axle
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wish any of us cared about oscars smh

unique zephyr
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If I go hunter dash start for Rama and can't find Arty attack is Aphrodite attack good to take

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I've been told hunter dash start is just as good as arty attack start for Rama

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but not sure if I should just reroll for arty attack instead

gaunt fiber
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Yes

honest kernel
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aphro attack is a good take in general yea

mossy zinc
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"Is high damage and 30% damage reduction good?"

gaunt fiber
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Ledger even takes hunter dash over deadly fyi bacchus

edgy arrow
unique zephyr
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and I was more so wondering whether to wait for arty attack or just take aphro, but I realize it's good to take aphro now

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thanks

honest kernel
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bc ledger is a athena dash denier squirtmeh

edgy arrow
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it’s a bit of a qol thing for arty start rama, particularly with AP

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there’s two top tier boons you can get

gaunt fiber
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well divine dash is sad on Rama when hunter dash exists

spice lava
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Maybe because arty dash makes the flat DPS constant

honest kernel
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I like divine more than hunter

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tbh

edgy arrow
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both sound good to me

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i’m not enough of a bow main to know better than that

mossy zinc
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@unique zephyr you have a tendency to overcomplicate these things when you already know the answer.

unique zephyr
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Athena call > Athena dash on Rama

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it feels like

edgy arrow
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either one will do work

honest kernel
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hunter def good tho

edgy arrow
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for sure

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probs better if you’re good at rama lol

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i am not

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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for me they’re about the same i think

honest kernel
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yeah I think you know enough about rama builds at this point

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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Well, there's both still, but practice is a much bigger factor than optimizing builds.

honest kernel
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50 heat win with divine dash is my proof of concept

mossy zinc
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At this point.

spice lava
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Mastering an aspect is most of the time about listening about theories and experiences from others then adding your personal touch to the run

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At this point you probably heard enough about Rama so it's time to play and see by yourself how the run goes

mossy zinc
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The bestest Rama player on the Hades High Heat Women's Leaderboard prefers Divine Dash, so Divine Dash is better.

honest kernel
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I prefer dio start so dio start is the meta now 😈

spice lava
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Rama special dio inc

halcyon flame
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dio start on rama is reasonable

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you can get deadly strike or heartbreak strike, both of which are strong and lead into good duos

honest kernel
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I tried artemis start for a while

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but im actually way more comfortable with dio start

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even tho its more inconsistent

unique zephyr
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Is that why you did TD2?

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I think your 50 was TD2 anyway

honest kernel
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yeah it was td2

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but I did td3 on my 40

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50 is legit just like

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the pacts slow me down more and I have less dps in general

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so timing out is a huge risk

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I could have done TD3 with this 50 clear actually

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but I had 2 sack

halcyon flame
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put on td2 > get sub 20 > put on td3 > time out

honest kernel
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exactly

unique zephyr
halcyon flame
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td3 on mirrorless/boonless (or both) at 32 heat seems like a big no-no

spice lava
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Hestia can actually be okay with both just by relying on Shackle

halcyon flame
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oh yeah the shackle

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that exists

unique zephyr
spice lava
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With Rama? Or Hestia?

ashen garnet
halcyon flame
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"I loaded the save file and tried several times until it was awakened."

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google translate sucks but i think they meant they seeded it

gaunt fiber
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File awakening techniques

ashen garnet
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Turns out standard fists need a build at 50 bouldy Gilga has damage and dash, but no range/safety/speed so I guess you try to get more utility boons

unique zephyr
mossy zinc
unique zephyr
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Would have been 62 with HM

mossy zinc
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Second screenshot was 2 seconds before death.

pseudo kernel
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Parting shot zeus cast

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epic

honest kernel
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omg

mossy zinc
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No, it was common.

pseudo kernel
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no

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epic

honest kernel
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is that me rama

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lmaop

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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A little bit late to this but ... It's definitely not the RNG

edgy arrow
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dude you did 64

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so like

honest kernel
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Many of those attempts were possible to clear, but I got hit too many times in those EM4 fights

edgy arrow
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skillz

honest kernel
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And I don't personally count Routed

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good stuff anyway 👏

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I just did it because Cgull proposed the idea

edgy arrow
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i mean, i understand the difference

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but my point is you can get the clear

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the mere fact that you can say “i could have made it but for these few mistakes” puts you orders of magnitude above most folks

gaunt fiber
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I can clear gilga 50

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But it's not done until it's done

edgy arrow
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like, normal players don’t get to EM4 at 60

gaunt fiber
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Really easy to mess up and die somehow

edgy arrow
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even most top tier heat pushers can’t do that

unique zephyr
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Not making mistakes requires mental concentration to not choke

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But if that’s the main thing that’s needed then that’s a high level of skill yeah

honest kernel
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And I really lack it

gaunt fiber
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And the will to try again

edgy arrow
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i think you have far more of it than most people honestly

mossy zinc
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You'll be more comfortable in the fight at 61 the more often you get there.

edgy arrow
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but i understand that 60 is a challenge i can barely comprehend

mossy zinc
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Nerves are always a huge factor when going for a new WR like that.

edgy arrow
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sorry it’s 61 as well isn’t it

unique zephyr
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I find 50 hard to comprehend still

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But I do want to get there someday

mossy zinc
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It's not like Baj doesn't know this anyway lol.

unique zephyr
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I’m not saying Baj can’t do it I just don’t want to discount the inherent difficulty of concentration even if you have mechanical skill and game knowledge

honest kernel
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... I'll just keep trying and see where this goes

unique zephyr
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I believe in you

honest kernel
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No need to pile on this venting habit of mine

unique zephyr
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I vent a lot too

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On 40 heat lmao

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So no shame

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
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anyway, sorry if my comment came off as dismissive of the work you’re putting in

honest kernel
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oh you're fine

unique zephyr
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I bet once you finish 61 having a second dash again when turning down RI for other stuff will feel like you have superpowers

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RI3 sounds painful

edgy arrow
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yeah what’s the setup actually

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no CP2?

honest kernel
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no CP2, yeah

edgy arrow
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makes sense

honest kernel
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But the eventual goal is 64 heat

unique zephyr
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Timer already seems horrible with CP1

honest kernel
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unseeded

honest kernel
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Or terrible Elysiums lol

unique zephyr
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Let alone how EM4 is made harder by almost every pact condition somehow

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I know BP and MM don’t affect the actual fight but I think everything else buffs the fight or weakens Zagreus

gaunt fiber
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BP2 free heat at EM4 poggies

solar maple
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how long is a typical em4 fight with a typical build for the fight at 61 heat?

unique zephyr
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I’ve been hating MM power couple lately

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Hard to hit the falling rock with Rama

solar maple
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meg helps a ton vs power couple

edgy arrow
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‘typical “build” at 61 heat’ lmao

unique zephyr
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I use Antos

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Bc furies hard

edgy arrow
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a “build” here being the equivalent of a supersoaker filled with ketchup instead of a rifle

solar maple
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yeah typical build meaning the special boon you reset for and the dio call you picked up in chamber 33 lol

unique zephyr
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Or a twig instead of a spear

unique zephyr
honest kernel
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Bad Tartarus, Average Elysium

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Let alone EM4

unique zephyr
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I know a lot but not all of this and I haven’t played either for personal experience but what is making 61 unseeded for you much harder than 64 seeded

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I know you don’t have room RNG or boons

honest kernel
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And those are the biggest problem

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Without either, you time out

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Plain and simple

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Routed means I bypass both of these issues

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And get a build that's legitimately overpowered in the process

shy plinth
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Also don't need to spend mental energy planning on how you'll deal with a room etc

honest kernel
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Not having to deal with horrible BP2 combos helps a lot with consistency, yeah

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Especially come Elysium

shy plinth
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No speeder slugger chariots

honest kernel
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I'd dare to say anything speedy in Elysium

shy plinth
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Speeder butterfly balls are kind of OK I guess?

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If they can even get that perk

honest kernel
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Pretty sure you can't get armored butterflies

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In normal encounters

shy plinth
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Ah you're right

honest kernel
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Since it's the miniboss

shy plinth
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Yeah

mossy zinc
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Unstable Generators are the worst miniboss no one talks about.

solar maple
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idk I've never died to one

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pretty easy if you ask me

mossy zinc
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Pretty sure they're what makes enemies spawn continuously in those encounters.

edgy arrow
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unstable generator would be a good name for a band

mossy zinc
honest kernel
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ur just flexing on me now shadegrief squirtooh

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but I approve of this build

mossy zinc
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Look at all those Epics I got without Exclusive Access.

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~~'Twas sold in Styx. squirtdevious ~~

honest kernel
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hell yeah the epic chaos darkness thing

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carried

unique zephyr
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Sub 20 with JS3 + EM4 is really nice

honest kernel
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anyway congrats 👌

unique zephyr
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I’m still having speed problems

mossy zinc
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Thank you! 💕 dusa

honest kernel
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em4 is worth if you learned it

unique zephyr
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Congrats on the 51!

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EM4 + TD3 seems very hard though

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What sack did you have

mossy zinc
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I didn't learn it. I just stacked damage reduction and HP. zaglol

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2-sack.

honest kernel
mossy zinc
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Also 5 dashes lol.

unique zephyr
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With EM4 + TD3 I imagine you’re praying extra hard for a 2 sack

mossy zinc
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Depends on the DPS you get, I guess.

mossy zinc
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You win. squirtooh

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For now. squirtdevious

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I honestly think EM4 is the way to go for 50+. Getting to Hades is just so much easier, and you can get very powerful builds with RI0 AP1 that can carry you through the fight.

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Also, I've been thinking boss shop with CF2 is a mistake more often than not if you have the choice.

bright mango
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bcs em4 means you get a more overpowered build

mossy zinc
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lol when I did 52 in Early Access, I had 4 boons at the end. This time at 51 Heat, I had 14, and 2 of them were Duo Boons.

bronze viper
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@honest kernel @mossy zinc Grats on 50/51 Rama clears :3

solemn pulsar
honest kernel
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Magnetic stick. Nice

mossy zinc
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I had a few times today with Rama where I was holding the stick hard left and auto aim was like "you want to aim at this enemy at 5 o'clock, right?"

bronze viper
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Yeah that happens 😦

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Rama's auto aim is very aggressive for some reason

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Maybe it's the same as everyone else's but you attack so much less frequently on Rama so it feels extra bad

mossy zinc
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That's just bow in general, you notice it more because charge is slower.

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Thankfully I could compensate just from experience.

unique zephyr
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Perfect shot or Point Blank Shot on Rama?

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given a choice between both, first hammer

mossy zinc
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Point-Blank.

honest kernel
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thanks <3

mossy zinc
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You're in point-blank range most of the time anyway, and Point-Blank Shot works whether you power-shoot or not.

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@shy plinth can we sort the player index by (1) highest heat, and (2) time of submission of their highest heat? Also, rearrange the weapon index to:
Zag Sword
Nemesis
Poseidon
Arthur
Zag Spear
Achilles
etc. in order as they appear in the courtyard.

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Actually.

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Weapon aspects also sorted by Heat first and time of submission second.

shy plinth
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Okay hol up

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This is per-player or the overall index

mossy zinc
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The overall index.

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Player and Weapon Index tab.

shy plinth
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Okay so sorting in courtyard order is not going to happen in any kind of pretty way

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We'll save that for later

bronze viper
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You'd have to give them an invisible value off screen then sort by that lol

shy plinth
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Yes

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Would be gross

mossy zinc
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Yeah, sort by Heat is better anyway. I already changed my mind for that. dusa

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Actually.
Weapon aspects also sorted by Heat first and time of submission second.

shy plinth
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Like this?

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Also woah is that a 60 beo????

mossy zinc
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Yes, it is. Looking good, yes.

halcyon flame
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pash flare moment

waxen relic
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Speaking of the Spreadsheet, can we have a tab for just any challenge?

mossy zinc
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What do you mean?

waxen relic
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a checkmark for miscalleneous Challenges where stuff like Dash-only Special only.. multichallenges etc can end up in

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with a tab

shy plinth
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So far we've had very little engagement outside of unseeded with a few people doing mirrorless/boonless stuff

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For now put challenges in the notes

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If any challenge is popular enough we'll break them out

waxen relic
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that's why i said one for them together, but it's just a suggestion

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and i mean we do have a boonless mirrorless tab for 1 run bouldy

mossy zinc
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Hmmm. We could have one tab for any challenge and another tab for just mirrorless (because that one is a bit more popular than the others).

shy plinth
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Would need to add a "challenge" field

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But could do it

mossy zinc
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Then just move the boonless ones to that challenge tab.

shy plinth
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Sure

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I'll add an "Other" field for challenge

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All done

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Now people can check the box and type in whatever they want

waxen relic
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My last run could then go into that other tab squirtnya

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nice

shy plinth
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Got choo

mossy zinc
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Hmmm. Filter the mirrorless ones from the Challenges tab unless they're combined with another challenge, if that's doable.

shy plinth
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Sure

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Done

mossy zinc
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It's implied they're "other" challenges because mirrorless is separate. dusa

solar maple
mossy zinc
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51 mirrorless Rama and 51 Hera kinda hard.

pseudo kernel
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the higher the heat the harder it gets... i think

mossy zinc
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Not necessarily.

true fable
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51 hera is difficult yeah

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i dont even know what heat is good to add at that point

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maybe dc1

mossy zinc
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The fact that Rama can just take DC2 like it's nothing is huge for what flexibility you have with the pact.

true fable
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what pact have you been running?

mossy zinc
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I tried RI2 with Hera, but I died to Lernie with no HP lol.

true fable
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EM4 RI0 JS3?

mossy zinc
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I just tried a couple different pacts real quick.

true fable
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RI2 is so much pain

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im not sure why

mossy zinc
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Because you lose Dark Foresight and 50 HP and all your rerolls.

true fable
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could be

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are you sure its not the 100 gold

mossy zinc
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50 HP loss is big, and no Dark Foresight loses you even more HP probably.

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Well, losing the 100 obols doesn't help lol.

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It just all adds up.

true fable
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so which one have you settled on

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if any

agile gyro
mossy zinc
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Pact initalisms are pinned.

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But they're just pact initialisms, so if you know the names, you know the initials. dusa

agile gyro
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oh god

mossy zinc
agile gyro
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i dont even know the names or even effects in my native language

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i aint learning them in english

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im fine lol

shy plinth
#

This channel generally has folks with hour counts in the multiple hundreds

mossy zinc
#

Well, the pinned list is in order that you find them in the game.

shy plinth
#

So you'll hear a lot of abbreviations

agile gyro
shy plinth
#

Just faster than typing out pact names every time

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We have quite a few folks who don't speak English natively but the language of pact abbreviations appears to be universal

true fable
#

nyaanyaa, for what its worth 50 heat hera only ever felt like i was playing hera if i turned on EM4

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I think EM4 is a pretty obvious one.

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Don't think I care much for AP2 Crush Shot resets, although I guess it's doable.

true fable
#

every other pact felt like i was playing some other bizarro weapon that did no damage

mossy zinc
#

DC1 seemed alright

true fable
#

its ok

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does mean you have to commit casts to kill smaller enemies

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depending on playstyle you might do tjat already

mossy zinc
#

That's only really an issue in Tartarus and for naked shades in Elysium.

agile gyro
#

naked shades

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lmao

mossy zinc
#

That's what they are.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

pseudo kernel
#

cool

true fable
#

@mossy zinc congratulations on 51 heat by the way, just saw it

mossy zinc
#

Thank you! 💕 dusa

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Toffel did 50. Make sure you congratulate her, too. dusa

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🔫 dusa

past field
#

Is there anyone doing 40 heat without taking LC4 and stubborn defiance?

shy plinth
#

Adwcta did

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But he plays the game very differently

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Otherwise it's pretty meta

mossy zinc
#

There are some 40 Heat clears without that, but most on the leaderboard use LC4 and Stubborn Defiance.

true fable
#

oh yeah

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twin chain?

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congrats on 50 @honest kernel

neat sonnet
#

congrats on 50 @honest kernel

true fable
#

nyaanyaa, do you like the EM4 fight now?

mossy zinc
true fable
#

fair enough haha

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5 dashes or a big shield

neat sonnet
#

nyaanyaa what aspect did you 51 on? curious bouldy

mossy zinc
#

Rama.

neat sonnet
#

nice nice

past field
shy plinth
#

You can watch his runs

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He doesn't take td

past field
#

Like obviously no stubborn defiance totally changes the evaluation of boons and overall strategy but does he do anything else different?

eternal hare
#

the set of things he values are rather unique compared to other players

past field
#

Oh

shy plinth
#

It is very very different

past field
#

I do TD2, EM4, LC1

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but yeah, I've noticed I evaluate boons and just fight way differently than other people on 40 heat because LC4 changes everything

true fable
#

LC4 changes things

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EM4 is a little odd

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

sounds like retrash

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aside from the LC1 part

past field
#

My pact is usually something like HL5, LC1, CF2, JS3, EM4, CP2, BP2, MM, UC, FO1, DC2, TD2

true fable
#

why HL4?

past field
#

oops, 5*

true fable
#

CP2 is also nightmare fuel

past field
#

it is, but it's hard to reach 40 heat another way

true fable
#

not sure if you were aware, but its pretty bad since it affects bosses as well

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

usually CP2 is the last heat taken before the deep dive into RI3 for 62 heat

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although baj just takes RI3 before CP2 but only just before

past field
#

I mean it's definitely bad, but the alternative is basically AP or RI

shy plinth
#

Lc4 is so much easier than cp2

past field
#

LC4 is probably easier than my whole setup, yeah

true fable
#

sounds like you are fighting absolute superdad

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good training

waxen relic
#

Fo2?

true fable
#

hey if it works for you, you'll be very well equipped to do 50+ if you choose to

past field
#

Yeah, I think LC4 will be mandatory at 50

true fable
#

oh nvm FO2 missing yeah

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so not the complete superdad

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but close

past field
#

I'll have to train on FO2 at some point, but I know the first while is going to throw off my timing

quartz mantle
#

I personally find FO2 easier to do than CP2

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and it's substantially more heat

true fable
#

CP2 is such a bad 1 heat lol

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i only took it for i think poseidon sword for my 50s

gaunt fiber
#

FO2 is six

true fable
#

and that was just to avoid DC on a cast weapon

past field
#

I mean not if you're already running FO1

gaunt fiber
#

** S I X**

past field
#

but it is probably time I got used to FO2

true fable
#

why not

quartz mantle
#

It's still 3 heat

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for just FO2

true fable
#

eris youve already gotten used to the hardest thing in the game it seems

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if youve learned the EM4 fight everything else is a cakewalk

neat sonnet
#

well

shy plinth
#

You're doing the hard heats before the easy ones

neat sonnet
#

HS EM4 plus FO2 is a slight adjustment from there but y'know

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semantics

past field
#

I think JS3 might be rougher than CP2 honestly

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but it's also worth more heat

shy plinth
#

Why not lc4

true fable
#

JS3 is absolutely less rough on timer than CP2 in my opinion

#

the game specifically reveals a lot of new damage breakpoints at CP2

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suddenly things that used to one shot enemies dont anymore

shy plinth
#

Meg

solemn pulsar
#

JS3 at worst makes all combat rooms 14% longer than JS2

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CP2 makes every single enemy take 13% longer to kill than CP1

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including bosses

quartz mantle
#

That doesn't always work out

past field
#

I don't like what LC4 does to the balance of the game I guess. Healing being useless makes certain boons worthless and the shops less valuable. The player isn't punished for taking damage in rooms.

solemn pulsar
#

gets even worse when you consider bright's breakpoints

quartz mantle
#

a lot of times it's worse

past field
#

Ironically LC4 takes away the literal lasting consequences of getting hit

solemn pulsar
#

you can't lose as much HP in a room

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like with DDs you can have 1 bad room and lose 150% of your max HP

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and keep going

shy plinth
#

So you want to make the game harder

solemn pulsar
#

with SDs you can lose 60% of your hp once

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and then you're dead

past field
#

harder in a particular way

true fable
#

you still get punished for taking damage in rooms, but in a different way

quartz mantle
#

Like if an enemy has 120 health, a Hestia charged shot will one shot it, CP2 will increase the health so that you need two shots to kill it, effectively doubling the time you spent on killing that enemy

true fable
#

especially apparent with RI2

past field
#

You can take a lot of chip damage and not care though

true fable
#

where you revive at 8 health on GY lol

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you care

solemn pulsar
shy plinth
#

If you want to artificially restrict yourself feel free I suppose, I don't agree with the conclusion tho

solemn pulsar
#

i'm healing 3 HP per room

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that's a lot

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that's chip

quartz mantle
#

But on the flip side, there are enemies that CP realistically gives them no additional hp if you still kill them in the same amount of attacks

true fable
#

being able to retain your starting health is one of the things that sets good players apart at 50+

solemn pulsar
#

friggin baj on 64 heat

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35 damage whole time pre em4

true fable
#

if you can carry your initial health pool to meg thats a HUGE advantage

solemn pulsar
#

idc how good your route is that's tough

true fable
#

yeah

shy plinth
#

Baj is a monster

solemn pulsar
#

he just yeets himself around and takes no hits

true fable
#

the thing about heat is as you go higher

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you get better at no hitting most chambers

shy plinth
#

Just chasing a dinner plate

true fable
#

the main problem is when one chamber is just absolute nightmare fuel

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and you take a sudden burst

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LC1 DDs aint withstanding that

solemn pulsar
#

LC4 also is usually paired with HL5 at high heat

true fable
#

like most of my 50 attempts are hitless until a certain room

past field
#

I'm just saying the devs didn't balance the game around LC4 with SD. They balanced it around healing being relevant. I find it more fun to play without LC4, but eventually I'll probably have to do it

solemn pulsar
#

so the "oh you don't care about chip damage"

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aspect

true fable
#

where i suddenly lose a ton of health

solemn pulsar
#

isn't important

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since at HL5 there is no chip damage

shy plinth
#

The devs didn't balance around 40 heat either

solemn pulsar
#

all damage is real

true fable
#

the devs didnt balance for heat

past field
#

I mean I'm playing with HL5 currently so I know

true fable
#

heat is a fun extra challenge

shy plinth
#

At a certain point all heat pacts impact balance

past field
#

yeah, but my 40 heat setup feels more like how the game was intended

true fable
#

we've made up all these ideas about what they "wanted" us to do

past field
#

I'd say that the devs didn't intend to have certain boons do absolutely nothing but uuuhhh

shy plinth
#

If it feels like how you want to play that's fine, but the "intended" thing is hard to swallow

solemn pulsar
#

yeah not using something they put in the game is definitely

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intended

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they put SDs and the option of LC4 in there

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desperately hoping nobody would pick it

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and ruin their game

true fable
#

unfortunate

solemn pulsar
#

if SDs are so "easy" then why not just run them at low heat too?

shy plinth
#

Tbh I do now lol

solemn pulsar
#

get your earring outta here

true fable
#

lol

shy plinth
#

Allows for maximum unga bunga

past field
#

why do low heat at all once you can do higher though?

solemn pulsar
#

not in bosses though

true fable
#

skull earring strats will never die

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to go fast

#

nyoom

gaunt fiber
#

^

shy plinth
#

To experience the game as intended

solemn pulsar
#

skull earring strats are the biggest chad move you can make

gaunt fiber
#

Love that keepsake

mossy zinc
#

They fine-tuned some things based on what we did at 40+ Heat in Early Access, and the meta then was also mostly LC4. So I dunno about that.

solemn pulsar
#

there are no rewards past 32 heat

mossy zinc
#

And I mean, LC4 is literally an option.

solemn pulsar
#

going beyond that is playing how the devs didn't intend

true fable
#

i think erebus in elysium might be fast

mossy zinc
#

They know Nourished Soul does nothing if you have LC4.

true fable
#

tbh

past field
#

yeah, AP2 is also an option but it's definitely not fun

solemn pulsar
#

no bright

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pls

mossy zinc
#

They know we also can't sell Nourished Soul.

solemn pulsar
#

soul catcher

true fable
#

its good

solemn pulsar
#

SOUL

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CATCHER

true fable
#

only like one to two waves

mossy zinc
#

We complained, they didn't change it. Obviously that's intended then.

true fable
#

do you think i expect to get anything other than an onion

shy plinth
#

If you have nourished soul and you hit soul catcher mini boss

true fable
#

treat it like a fountain

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but slightly longer

shy plinth
#

They should just take the boon and be like OK see ya

solemn pulsar
# 
        "FlurrySpawnerSuperElite",
        "HitAndRunUnitSuperElite",
        "HitAndRunUnitSuperElite",
        "BloodlessPitcherSuperElite",
        "BloodlessPitcherSuperElite",
        "ShadeShieldUnitSuperElite",
        "ShadeShieldUnitSuperElite",
        "ChariotSuperElite",
        "ChariotSuperElite",
        "ShadeBowUnitSuperElite", 
        "ShadeBowUnitSuperElite", 
        "PunchingBagUnitSuperElite",
        "PunchingBagUnitSuperElite",
true fable
#

and you get an onion instead of a reward

gaunt fiber
#

slightly

solemn pulsar
#

i hate bright zero one

true fable
#

i dont see the problem

mossy zinc
#

Their intention was for you to take whatever pacts you like for 40 Heat or whatever. So no pact is more or less intended.

true fable
#

i dont see the problem

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i did one the other day and it was only 3 enemies

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just do it lol

solemn pulsar
#

im scared

true fable
#

who cares if you get hit its fast

mossy zinc
#

It's not like any of the devs themselves do 40 Heat. They leave those things for us to explore and push.

true fable
#

faster than infinite flame wheel room

solemn pulsar
#

some erebus are infinite flame wheel rooms

true fable
#

think i might do an erebus stream

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where i do anyheat but take every erebus gate possible

shy plinth
#

All aboard the erebus

solemn pulsar
#

maybe just take it if the reward is good

#

to be realistic

past field
#

yeah, I'm just saying it's more interesting for me to play on settings where healing still matters, and a single room of bad spawns doesn't instantly end your run, but puts you at a recoverable disadvantage

solemn pulsar
#

if that's more interesting to you that's fine

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but saying it's objectively easier

solar maple
#

also late elysium erebus might actually be good

true fable
#

right?

solemn pulsar
#

or what "the devs intended" is kinda weird

mossy zinc
solar maple
#

I'm with bright lol

past field
#

I never said it was easier, I said it's probably harder

solar maple
#

not for the reward

true fable
#

erebus as far as i can tell doesnt scale hard with depth

solar maple
#

well for the onion

true fable
#

c12 erebus can sometimes just be superelite witch

solar maple
#

erebus difficulty scaling is the same as normal room scaling

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but the average enemy difficulty is higher

gaunt fiber
#

it does scale yeah

true fable
#

yeah but you mostly end up with armored foes

gaunt fiber
#

But sometimes early erebus are garbage too

true fable
#

effectively lower scaling

gaunt fiber
#

like infinite witches

solemn pulsar
#

shame for IGT speedruns though

solar maple
#

it has a flat amount more than a normal room, which is made up for by it being 1 wave, and having super elites to eat up difficulty

solemn pulsar
#

gotta sacrifice survival rooms to get to 15 heat

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butterfly balls tho

solar maple
#

for rta you don't really

true fable
#

yah

mossy zinc
#

Superelite Witch Erebus is almost always a reset when trying to speedrun 32 Heat for me lol. Some Erebus gates can be very worth it, though.

solar maple
#

just meg it

#

it's fast

solemn pulsar
#

butterfly balls though

#

that's 2800 armor

#

2500 HP

#

and it teleports

#

that ain't fast

solar maple
#

if you have good damage it's better than normal elysium enemies

mossy zinc
#

You can summon Meg and still waste too much time trying to kill it.

true fable
#

how tho

mossy zinc
#

And losing a Meg that early is not worth it imo.

solar maple
#

would rather have that than 3 waves of flamewheels

true fable
#

just shooty

#

its dead

solemn pulsar
#

5300 damage is a lot

mossy zinc
#

Because sometimes trying to shoot the Superelite Witch is like holding onto wet soap. dusa

true fable
#

either way i want to test some of this "common knowledge" that erebus, especially in asphodel and elysium are slow

solemn pulsar
#

@solar maple where is the code for enemy challenge rating + spawning them in

true fable
#

also trials

#

i think trials might just be good

#

its 2 boons

solemn pulsar
#

trials bad in asphodel i think

solar maple
#

I mean would you say armored chariots are good spawns?

shy plinth
#

Elysium trials 🤢

solemn pulsar
#

elysium trials are mostly ok

solar maple
#

those have 1800 health

solemn pulsar
#

armored chariots dont warp

solar maple
#

super elite BB has more difficulty points than 3 armored chariots

true fable
#

how many people can honestly say theyve taken elysium erebus

solar maple
#

I've taken a couple recently

true fable
#

its literally just like an old wives tale

solemn pulsar
#

fine i'll try it

shy plinth
#

Probably under 10

solemn pulsar
#

losing the reward is tough

shy plinth
#

Ask bablo

solar maple
#

I even got a reward once lol

true fable
#

you hear people in discord say its bad and just dont do it

shy plinth
#

I am certain bablo has done it

solemn pulsar
#

i think that's the sticking point for a lot of people

mossy zinc
#

The last time I did, I got Megagorgon + Soul Catcher lol.

true fable
#

lol

shy plinth
#

Ew

mossy zinc
#

I think that was still in Early Access. Haven't bothered since.

solar maple
#

I would only do it with a very high damage build

mossy zinc
#

Not that I recall, anyway.

solar maple
#

or spare meg

solemn pulsar
#

yeah losing a reward would be too much

#

if you're not full build

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

my point isnt just about elysium erebus

#

too much is accepted as a given

solemn pulsar
#

@solar maple where code for enemy diffiiculty

#

and spawns

solar maple
#

oh the erebus gates just inherit the stats for normal rooms

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including the depth scaling

#

but they overwrite the base difficulty

bright mango
#

i got one erebus on a casual run and got megagorgon so I never touched elysium erebus after that

#

Idk if they can be better than that

solemn pulsar
#

ok but where is that

#

i dont want to look for it lol

solar maple
#

at least that's my understanding

#

difficulty scaling stuff is in encounterdata

mossy zinc
#

I can't think of any reward in Elysium that's worth entering Erebus for.

solemn pulsar
#

thx

solar maple
#

again, I wouldn't do it for the reward, it's for time save with extra meg/big dps

mossy zinc
#

Unless you have excellent burst damage perhaps.

solemn pulsar
#

well ilt's not about the reward

#

it's about having a faster room

#

you go in assuming you wont get the reward

#

since fast play means you're probably getting hit

solar maple
#

also you can use it to dodge than in rta

mossy zinc
#

You also go in with no chance for a fountain.

#

Hmm.

solemn pulsar
#

same thing as a trial basically

mossy zinc
#

Maybe.

solemn pulsar
#

but at least in a trial

#

you get boons

#

@true fable i think trials are good in late tartarus if they help your build

#

and elysium sometimes

#

but asphodel trials

#

they're just brutal

mossy zinc
#

Asphodel trials can be super fast with the right spawns.

solar maple
#

wtf is that base difficulty on aspho trials lol

#

430

#

also cgull how exactly is depth calculated?

gaunt fiber
#

trials have their own difficulty scaling?

solemn pulsar
#

asphodel thanatos has 400 base

#

so it's similar

solar maple
#

they are like erebus, but the flat amount they add to difficulty is significantly higher, especially in asphodel

mossy zinc
#

It's kind of silly how casually Rama can take trials wherever at high heat even with TD3 EM4.

solemn pulsar
#

pseudo does it use overall depth or biome depth

solar maple
#

I think biome depth

mossy zinc
#

With most aspects, it's an actual decision to make. With Rama it's just 2 free boons.

solar maple
#

not 100% sure

solemn pulsar
#

biome depth in tartarus is like 0 in chambe r2

#

idk it's weird

gaunt fiber
solemn pulsar
#

and then the intro room for the other biomes is "0"

#

so first combat chamber (or chaos/erebus) is "1"

#

from what i could tell from the room gen

solar maple
#

I just assume "depthdifficultyramp" adds that difficulty times your biome depth

#

but I don't actually know where that code is

mossy zinc
#

First run has no enemies in chamber 1.

solemn pulsar
#

run manager line 928

#

first run has multiple overrides

mossy zinc
#

Just figured that might be why chamber 2 has depth 0.

solemn pulsar
#

no i think it's biome related

#

sinc eif you quit the game in chamber 1 after clearing the enemies

#

when you load back up your file says "house of hades"

#

i think chamber 1 is still in the house

#

then chamber 2 is the first room of tartarus

#

and biome depth always starts at 0

mossy zinc
#

Why not both. dusa

solar maple
#

elysium erebus has about the difficulty of adding +1 to the chamber number. So if the increased elite/super elite chances are worth that and the few seconds before spawns start, it's faster

solemn pulsar
#

@solar maple all the custom "Intro" encounters, are those seen once and never again?

solar maple
#

I believe so

#

in fresh file, zag always has to learn about the eyes from shades

#

so I'm guessing it's that

waxen relic
#

hmm Skullcrushers get a singular foe to start every run i feel like, always wondered why

solemn pulsar
#

they hit the max enemy cap on their own most likely

#

for the first wave

waxen relic
#

is the first wave that small?

#

the ones afterward have multiples of him and other foes

solar maple
#

crusherintro has 2 crusher spawns

#

are you sure it's just 1, and not 2?

waxen relic
#

i mean just a normal Aspho room, the first times you see one

solar maple
#

yeah it will be in a normal random aspho room

true fable
#

theres some aspho rooms that are two skullcrushers and like one gorgon head or something random

#

also the classic 4 boneraker room

#

theres the infamous fresh file room thats just two inferno bombers two gorgon heads

solemn pulsar
#

yeah there's a lot of "intro" rooms

#

to introduce you to an enemy type

#

with bespoke waves

true fable
#

interesting

#

im assuming double lout and quad skullomat are 2 such rooms?

solemn pulsar
#

well no

#

the intro ones you only see once

#

like ever

#

the game picks a number of waves for the room (1-3 in tartarus, 2-3 in asphodel + elysium), picks randomly enemies to populate it with, then picks from them to spawn a wave

#

a 4 skullomat room usually has other enemies it could have spawned

#

but it didn't, because it hit the cap

#

the skullomat thing is a weird thing though

#

not sure the cause

#

one day maybe

#

must be weird 1 wave things

true fable
#

well what im saying is the skullcrusher/boneraker rooms happen in normal runs

solemn pulsar
#

no, the intro rooms are different

#

there's a difference between "this room only has this enemy" and "intro room"

#

notable the intro skullcrusher room actually spawns 2 in the first wave i believe

worn veldt
#

hello

#

wicht bow you guys recomend for higher heat?

bright mango
#

Whichever one you are the most comfortable with

worn veldt
#

ok

tired ruin
#

does anyone have a good source for pact combinations per heat level?

bright mango
#

Haelian has a good vid

#

Its called 8-32 heat guide iirc

tired ruin
#

thank you, ill check it out

wise fox
#

2 points lasting consequences, max convenience fee, 1 point jury summons, em3, max benefits package, max middle management, max forced overtime, 1 point approval process, max tight deadline

#

that’s what i ran to get me 3 32 heat clears

#

haelian’s vid is awesome btw check it out

tired ruin
#

looks promising

#

and more manageable than what i put

#

cant remember cause its been a while

bright mango
#

just avoid AP and RI

tired ruin
wise fox
#

if you’re using quick hitting weapons you can run damage control 3

#

oh nvm it only goes up to 2

#

well you can run max dmg control and put another point into like lasting consequences over approval process

quartz mantle
#

Or just Hard Labor

#

Also UC

#

That's like 2 free heat

wise fox
#

hard labor’s fine too

shy plinth
#

This is the pact I used to get 32 on all aspects

#

If you don't like FO2 or TD3, you can put more points into HL

#

Convenience fee is an option, but it kinda sucks

quartz mantle
#

Yea that's a really good pact to have as a baseline for 32

shy plinth
#

HL1 CF0 is super nice

quartz mantle
#

As long as you're used to FO2 and TD3

shy plinth
#

Yep

quartz mantle
#

CF can eat my ass

shy plinth
#

And extra points from both can go to HL

#

Hah

quartz mantle
#

Never turning that pact on again

shy plinth
#

It's so much nicer without it

quartz mantle
#

Literally I can't go back

shy plinth
#

Also some weapons can do DC with very low consequences

quartz mantle
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I'm addicted to CF0

shy plinth
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150 gold for a whole boon feels like a pricing error

bright mango
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ye CF0 is mega stonks

spice zealot
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@shy plinth and you beat it like that??? I suck lmao I need to get gud

neat sonnet
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it's one of a lot of setups, I know some of my first clears traded FO2 for HL5 and some other garbage

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yeah my first two used HL5 and CF2, very stinky pact

halcyon flame
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i personally favor fo1 + hl4 over fo2 + hl1

mossy zinc
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If you can beat Hades reliably with FO2, you can probably do HL5 EM3 FO2.

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It lets you avoid a lot of bad pacts and lets you get really broken builds very much like at any heat.

shy plinth
unique zephyr
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I try incorporating dash uppers into fists play and it seems slower than just punching

halcyon flame
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special

bright mango
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Ye rama special destroys dc

narrow palm
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i'd thought chiron would be ok too with damage control..

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though damage control =is= a pain when you want to lead a boss fight (heroes) with a meg summon

bronze viper
honest kernel
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Epic Quick Favor on the Aid, and a good jolted too

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I had the damage and the timer

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Alas

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Also, mom pom strat is ineffective. I really need the Zeus special to get anywhere, preferably with an aid or Jolted

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So I'm just soft-resetting for it

hearty onyx
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Damn, that looked close

honest kernel
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Was a potential win, yes

solemn pulsar
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you're hitting hades so frequently

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you're gonna get it

halcyon flame
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sooner or later

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just don't get cerb'd next time

unique zephyr
devout quiver
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inb4 Gilgamesh and also Gilgamesh

mossy zinc
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If you can't do 32 with an aspect, it's not the build or the aspect but your lack of experience and practice. squirtnya

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Unless you have hard DPS check in your pact.

gaunt fiber
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Unless Gilgamesh then it's only the lack of Malphon of this aspect

mossy zinc
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What's Gilgamesh?

unique zephyr
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Is EM4 the only hard dps check in the pact?

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Or are there other smaller ones but EM4 is just the main one

gaunt fiber
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have you heard of JS3 CP2 TD3

mossy zinc
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He hasn't.

honest kernel
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td3 can be a dps check imo

gaunt fiber
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not even mentioning DC because then it's hell

mossy zinc
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TD3 is the DPS check, yes.

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If you don't have TD, there are no DPS checks. You can get around his healing in EM4 by clearing the pots, so that's not exactly a DPS check, either.

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But anything like EM3, EM4, etc. makes the DPS checks harder.

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Whereas pacts like CF hurt your DPS.

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That being said, you can do TD3 32 with a speedrun pact with no boons and a 5-sack with any aspect. Hence my statement that if you're not clearing 32, it's not really the aspect or the build.

mossy zinc
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The relevant factor there isn't DPS.

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But on the other hand, DC affects your DPS.

unique zephyr
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I have trouble with timer as it is consistently

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I want to get better at TD3 though

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Since I find TD3 way more fun than TD2 pacts and better for my health

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And I do like the challenge of TD3

halcyon flame
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js3 cp2 td3 could be a fun challenge to see how well i can put out damage

mossy zinc
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A "hard" DPS check means that even with optimal play, some builds cannot beat TD in time because they don't have the DPS you need.

unique zephyr
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I don’t know how to tell if I had bad timer due to bad DPS, bad play, or lack of free rooms

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I only recently realised just how bad unarmored skull and witch rooms are for timer and that’s when I looked at my own vods

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I know bad play is definitely a key factor always for me

gaunt fiber
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depends, I would say hard DPS is rare but on some aspects there are just deadly combos

unique zephyr
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At 32 and 40 should I be able to win with any room RNG and 4 sack

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Or 3 sack

gaunt fiber
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Like a slow aspect vs savior speeder greatshields, no damage dash

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good luck boyo

unique zephyr
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BP2 isn’t that bad until it creates your biggest nightmares

halcyon flame
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saviour numbskulls

unique zephyr
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Cloner seeker witches

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In a small room

halcyon flame
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witches in general

gaunt fiber
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they're annoying but you can body slam numbskulls

mossy zinc
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Again, Savior is a bad example because it doesn't actually check DPS. It prevents you from doing DPS. That's different. It checks the number of hits and AOE you can do in a short amount of time.

gaunt fiber
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so you group them up and rampage

unique zephyr
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How do I deal with cloner seeker witches

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Or seeker witches in general really

halcyon flame
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you kill em

mossy zinc
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Which is why you see otherwise unorthodox builds be more frequent at 50+ where DC2 is more common and requires a solution.

halcyon flame
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drunken strike is actually viable at high heat whereas it's usually not the best option at lower heats