that still seems like a bad idea though
#h1-high-heat-strategies
unique zephyr
mossy zinc
I wasn't joking.
hoary pasture
When would you say is a good point to take RI1 on Rama?
I'm doing 45 right now and dont feel the need to take it, im thinking 50 or late 40s is probably that time
mossy zinc
Whenever you want to, probably. RI1 is not a big deal for Rama. You lose Dark Foresight and rerolls, of course, but Rama isn't very greedy for boons or poms.
You're mostly feeling the lower HP.
hoary pasture
Fair
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/833957090832941056/unknown.png This pact seems ok other than DC2
honest kernel
I had ri0 for 45 still it was just comfy
50 you def should consider it tho
also ye I think I hadthe same pact
daring hedge
yeah that looks like a very normal 45 pact and RI2 would be the move towards 50 pretty much
hoary pasture
Keeping up with TD is the main problem rn lol
honest kernel
oh wait yeah I had td2 and cp1
hoary pasture
Yea, I did DC2 for 40 but god its so annoying sometimes
daring hedge
it's good practice to special everything before attacking anyways
so you kind of get used to it
hoary pasture
Fair
hoary pasture
oh wait yeah I had td2 and cp1
I might try that if I struggle with time
Or maybe JS3 CP1
true fable
just get hell mode at that point
hoary pasture
Oh yea forgot about that
mossy zinc
@daring hedge when is 50 mirrorless streak?
daring hedge
daring hedge
finally, all aspects 50+!
nyaanyaa: "okay now do it again but all in a row without losing, and no mirror 
"
mossy zinc
That sounds like me.
unique zephyr
So I’m watching your 50 heat Hera bow run, @daring hedge , and I am wondering why use TD2? I’m asking because I’m trying to do 32 heat Hera and I don’t know why TD2 would be better for Hera
mossy zinc
Definitely do TD3 for Hera at 32.
At 50, you'll have to take pacts that hurt your build a lot on Hera, and Hera is greedy for boons and poms.
At 32, you can still get all of that.
unique zephyr
Ah ok, that’s good to know then, I’ll keep my pact the same then since it’s working fine
mossy zinc
Hera is amazingly fast if you can one-shot everything, but the more you take pacts that hurt your build and stuff, the further you get away from that.
Taking two shots instead of one for any enemy type essentially doubles the time it takes to kill that type.
More than that even.
Because normally you load casts > shoot > kill > pick up > load again immediately.
More or less.
But if you load all your casts, and it's not enough to kill your enemy, your next shot will not get all that extra damage and AOE from your casts.
daring hedge
Yeah, pretty much what nyaanyaa said in regard to the pact making it hard to even get a real build
TD2 allowed me to make it all the way with a more random mishmash of boons and poor cast option (true shot)
You can definitely do TD3 hera without much issue at 32 compared to 50
mossy zinc
The best thing that can be said about True Shot is that it's not Crystal Beam or Slicing Shot.
mossy moon
I mean, doesn't it lock onto enemies?
I get you're joking, but I guess I just wanted to say this anyway
mossy zinc
I wasn't joking at all.
It does very low damage and it has no AOE whatsoever. It's single-target damage every time.
honest kernel
its my least fav cast yeah
mossy zinc
It's nice if you're not doing a Cast build.
edgy arrow
true
unique zephyr
True shot also only has 10% critical rate for some reason
mossy zinc
Ironic how most cast builds used to be True Shot because she had Fully Loaded + Double Shot, and now that it's a Duo Boon, it's very far from meta.
unique zephyr
As opposed to 15% for deadly strike and flourish
mossy zinc
Flourish is 20% lol.
edgy arrow
lol ignoring crush shot
mossy zinc
Out of 5 lodging casts, True Shot is in third place.
honest kernel
fully loaded also used to give +5 or somethin right
mossy zinc
+3.
honest kernel
oh
mossy zinc
Crush Shot > Phalanx Shot > True Shot > Flood Shot > Electric Shot.
4 of those have AOE.
mossy zinc
And later if you have Static Discharge, yeah.
edgy arrow
Crush Shot > Phalanx Shot > True Shot > Flood Shot > Electric Shot.
i mean, phalanx shot not really
you’re technically correct, but practically speaking it’s not true
with crit, true shot comes out to ~84 damage at common, phalanx is 85
that means just the family favourite damage puts true shot ahead
if you take into account static discharge you gotta take into account exit wounds
true shot still wins for single target
obviously electric shot is better in general tho
mossy zinc
Exit Wounds is garbarge. 
honest kernel
true shot more like true 💩
edgy arrow
lol
mossy zinc
It should only actually do damage on bosses in a good Poseidon build, and even then, they often phase before they drop your ammo.
edgy arrow
that’s true
but it helps vs champions and and dad which is where you most need the damage anyway
idk i think it’s okay
not trying to argue it’s the most powerful, but it’s fine
on poseidon at least
honest kernel
I can attest to Exit Wounds being whatever on a non-Zeus cast Poseidon Sword build
on Zeus cast, your boss damage is kinda low. Exit Wounds becomes decent then
Even then, it's practically just a boss damage boon
Get an Artemis core with Tidal Dash for Mirage Shot. You'll do yourself a favor there
mossy zinc
I take Quick Reload over anything else on Hera just for boss damage, to be fair. Unless it's second boon and I can get Rush Delivery on Hyper Sprint.
edgy arrow
but without exit wounds what will happen to my fully loaded dreams
mossy zinc
But that matters a lot more than Exit Wounds.
honest kernel
I take Quick Reload over anything else on Hera just for boss damage, to be fair....
Even common Quick Reload almost makes your infernal cast a stygian cast against bosses
Of course it's going to be nuts
mossy zinc
Yeah. Quick Reload saves so much time.
mossy zinc
No.
honest kernel
No
honest kernel
But you won't need them since you'll be dealing a bigger chunk of damage
honest kernel
its fake hence why mirage
mossy zinc
It is.
If you look at my Hera victory screens in the right light, you can see it's actually not there.
Like this one.
hearty onyx
All you're missing is Smoldering Air
quartz mantle
Empowering is actually not that great cause you only get the buff after you return the special
so it's not as good as it sounds
Like it's alright but there are better hammers for zeus
halcyon flame
empowering flight on paper sounds amazing because your attack effectively always deals 80% more damage
but supergiant doesn't like fun 😤
unique zephyr
I take Quick Reload over anything else on Hera just for boss damage, to be fair....
How does quick reload interact with the blood bonus from Hera also improving drop rate?
Does quick reload just replace Hera’s drop time or interact with it some other way
mossy zinc
I forget the exact numbers, but it essentially halves your cast drop time on Hera.
honest kernel
ok I admit lightning rod was kinda nice sometimes
also the ratroom was harder than hades with this
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/834119624328872027/unk...
Congratulations! 💕
honest kernel
thanks! I saw ur hera run btw congrats to that
hoary pasture
Rod carry
honest kernel
rod carry
mossy zinc
Thank you! 💕
honest kernel
honestly I had a run that died that had lv6 cast
mossy zinc
Saw but not watched? 
honest kernel
tfw lv4 static
bright mango
That probably carried your run
honest kernel
beo did
mossy zinc
Skill carried Toffel's run. 💕
mossy zinc
Woo~! Congratulations! 💕
mossy zinc
I'm now a hades pro
Who's your sponsor? 💕
honest kernel
love and friendship!
mossy zinc
I love it. Do you sell t-shirts now?
honest kernel
soon!
mossy zinc
Let me know when so I can preorder 7 of them. One for every day of the week.
honest kernel
gaunt fiber
light nymph
i finally won with 32 heat!
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 💕
light nymph
i was hardly getting to the sisters, but then i lowered it to 20 and wanted to get it a little higher each time, which i could do by switching from the bow to the rail, and thanks to that strat, it wasn't that hard at the end, but i'm so happy anyway
gaunt fiber
Congrats!
light nymph
i'll take a photo tomorrow, as it's on the switch, i have to say tho that i used god mode
next stop will be doing it without using it
gaunt fiber
That's funny, I've seen people grinding heat but keeping god mod lately
To me that's a bit contradictory, interesting
Did you take some HL in your pact?
mossy zinc
You need to increase Heat to get bounties.
mossy zinc
BP2 etc. still change the game in interesting ways even with more damage resistance.
gaunt fiber
Yeah HL is a boring pact
light nymph
tbh i get scared at some parts and end up using it at the end, just now i'm starting to do runs without using it at any time
light nymph
don't know what's hl, i don't play in english
gaunt fiber
It's the first condition of the pact
mossy zinc
Hard Labor. Enemies do more damage.
light nymph
i think i had it until i noticed i could do with 7 minutes and got that out
there are also various things i tried while on 23 heat
also funny thing that i could't do it with the bow, which is my fave, but could with a weapon i only used twice
neat sonnet
hey now I did it with GY, the best high heat weapon
unique zephyr
I'm somehow finding Hera bow harder than GY for 32 heat
GY took me the least tries of any weapon to do 32 I think
part of it is me getting better but the DPS rotation of Special to 2 x dash strike clears rooms so fast
bright mango
Bacchus do you have cast rebinded to trigger?
It helped smoothen out my hera a lot
@unique zephyr
solemn pulsar
Yeah having cast, attack, and dash all on face buttons makes Hera difficult
Being able to initiate a dash strike while loading is great
Or just while empty dashing to prep for your next shot
shy gulch
if ur a real gamer like me, you have cast attack and dash mapped to 3 different fingers when playing hera
ez
unique zephyr
Bacchus do you have cast rebinded to trigger?
I haven’t, I’ll try that, I did it with beo so this should help
I have dash on bumper for everything
vital grove
A true gamer has keys on pomegranate pieces.
halcyon flame
attempting 40 heat guan yu, going well so far https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/761220441049661442/834247790678114314/Hades_278.png
mossy moon
pro tip
don't die
halcyon flame
too bad NERD i died immediately to traps in styx
mossy moon
aw dang
and after I warned you
merry otter
The giant sawblade?
mossy moon
in the words of the famed Hypnos
"have you ever tried not stepping where the spikes are?"
wintry peak
Any tips for zagreus spear for 32 heat? I just tried it and can't even get through Tartarus lmao
mossy zinc
Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is probably gonna be your main combo unless you get Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher.
So you'll want Infernal Soul.
halcyon flame
flurry jab
also tidal dash start because that's apparently better for flurry jab
mossy zinc
Yeah, easiest build is if you just reset until you get Flurry Jab or Exploding Launcher in Tartarus.
mossy zinc
Nice!
wintry peak
Got it. Thanks spammy and Nyaanyaa 😃
waxen relic
because?
drowsy perch
wait one second
what happens if you put doom attack and athena cast on hera bow with merciful end
waxen relic
it triggers once
halcyon flame
phalanx shot -> dds
waxen relic
i mean Crush Shot -> less dieing -> Divine Dash -> DDs
drowsy perch
slicing shot -> dying a lot -> using up DDs and having DDs to replenish
gaunt fiber
We don't use DDs in this town Pyro
gaunt fiber
i mean Crush Shot -> less dieing -> Divine Dash -> DDs
At 50 I almost never get DDs with asphodel owl pendant if Athena is not in my pool yet
drowsy perch
We don't use DDs in this town Pyro
oh this is high hea strategies my bad
waxen relic
guess there's not a lot of Boons in Asphodel with RI and Hermes cutting in
vernal stirrup
Ugh, 40% forced overtime in Elysium is hard. Those archers shoot so damn fast.
mossy zinc
Crush Shot > don't get hit > victory.
true fable
because?
imo hera needs the biggest assistance bossing
athena cast suffers for room clear but the bossing is superior with parting shot by leaps and bounds
waxen relic
Huh interesting
true fable
parting shot generally means your cast does double damage
hard to find poms/duos that do that
mossy zinc
true fable
dont thanthink me
the phalanx shot glitch is still busted
each volley of casts did 4k to dad
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, that still exists.
daring hedge
nyaanyaa it's an aphrodite duo how are you not immediately on board with it
mossy zinc
m on board with Parting Shot on Crush Shot. 💕
true fable
nyaanyaa moment
guess you just have to crush me
i got carried and im not ashamed to admit it
i got the works
both DDs, fully loaded, blinding flash, parting shot
true fable
didnt you run Ap2
daring hedge
yeah
true fable
this was during the whole shackle craze right
when everyone and their mother just put shackle on everything?
daring hedge
yeah like, this was four months ago so i'd probably do it differently now
true fable
this kind of made me want to run EM4 on everything
i think i can get good at the fight
daring hedge
same
every time i do high heat em4 it's not as bad as i think it is
case in point that beo run where i hadn't done em4 in weeks prior
true fable
oh you mean the rama 2.0 run
daring hedge
lmao
true fable
pseudo do you have a pash flare snow burst save state
true fable
can you send it to me uwu
bright mango
nyaanyaa it's an aphrodite duo how are you not immediately on board with it
bcs aphrodite is only part of it. On crush shot, she is the main attraction
unique zephyr
the phalanx shot glitch is still busted
Wait what’s the bug?
bright mango
You backstab from the front with phalanx shot hera
solemn pulsar
due to the size of phalanx shot, and how hera just spawns a cast at the arrow tip
it hits most enemies from behind
so it's backstabs from the front with parting shot
but it's also frontstabbing from the back
so it's just backwards
pseudo kernel
phalanx shot is dummy thicc
pseudo kernel
oh no
gaunt fiber
gilga bad
true fable
yeah
gaunt fiber
So from now on I'll stick to tidal dash
If you have any secret strat bright I'll listen
But maim + flat damage seems to be the way
unique zephyr
Any tips on using Rama?
My goal is now 24 x 32
I may still try to do fists and sword 40 sometimes
what are good builds for Rama? All I know is arty attack
and also, any mechanics tips? @daring hedge
How do I power shot more safely?
spice lava
Safe powershot doesn't exist 👀
daring hedge
and also, any mechanics tips? <@!164508146746785792>
in terms of builds, you pretty much want to look out for artemis attack, and twin/triple shot, perfect shot, point-blank shot for hammers
unique zephyr
I see, I'm more worried about mechanics
daring hedge
safe power shots are all about knowing enemy behavior/tendencies
usually after they whiff an attack aimed at you, when in doubt
almost always special things before attacking except in cases of some low health enemies like in tartarus
and if you're going for a power shot, but you timed it poorly and you're going to get hit, remember that you can always ditch it and dash away
that's kind of huge for staying safe, since you're not going to have perfect judgment all the time
unique zephyr
Oh I didn't know that about dashing, that's very good to know!
bright mango
yeah a big part is knowing when to let go
unique zephyr
Incidentally while I have won with some other dashes sometimes on 32 heat I find I rely on Athena dash a LOT
Rama feels very powerful but hard to use
for me
but it is fun
24 x 32 so far is more fun than I thought it would be
unique zephyr
and I am pursuing that as a means to procrastinate fists and sword 40
hunter dash was what I did for zag bow 32 too
honest kernel
dont always force yourself to powershot if the enemy is too close
half charge stuns them and does a lot of dmg anyway
mossy zinc
You can do Rama 32 without doing a single Power Shot.
In fact, you can do it without doing a single Attack lol.
honest kernel
true
daring hedge
:(
solar maple
you could also do it without a single special 👀
mossy zinc
That's true.
waxen relic
Should work without either too.
waxen relic
we clearly need a "no Aspect" Aspect on the boards
gaunt fiber
Gilgamesh is the best non aspect
I'm just playing flood/crush shot and tidal dash atm
solar maple
arthur is decent as well
shut hare
Guan yu dash only
unique zephyr
I know a lot of people complain about Rama slow charge...but how do people deal with that? I know dash striking is faster but it's still slower than I'm used to
eternal hare
you get used to it, and it's still plenty fast enough
you compensate with more mindful positioning and understanding when to ditch a power shot
eternal hare
play it patiently and empty dash for a better opening
unique zephyr
Hopefully I can still do TD3 even playing patiently
actually it might help me lol
since when I do get it right Rama room clears fast
bright mango
play it patiently and empty dash for a better opening
I should've
eternal hare
you have a lot of wiggle room if you dont have JS/CP with rama in terms of time
also remember you don't absolutely have to have every little head marked in phase 2
sometimes it's okay to mark the stuff around you and clear them first
bright mango
I barely made it to phase 2
eternal hare
what hammers do you have?
eternal hare
I guess it doesn't really matter but yeah he has pretty good openings for rama
unique zephyr
Twin shot and chain shot
bright mango
yeah he has a lot of 'down times'
eternal hare
when he does massive spin, just repeatedly powershot him from just outside his range
unique zephyr
died
honest kernel
@eternal hare Can't really do that with Twin Shot.
eternal hare
you definitely can
eternal hare
when he does his forward sweeps just dash behind him and power shot him there
when he does his triple jump sequence just dash through each jump and powershot from just outside the landing aoe
and as always if you're not entirely confident in your ability to make it to the full power shot it's okay to let go early
@unique zephyr https://www.twitch.tv/videos/977797432?t=0h13m19s here's one of my asterius fights with twin/chain if you want a reference
timestamp should more or less be when asterius midboss fight begins
unique zephyr
Ah ok, thank you! Also, is explosive shot a good or bad hammer on Rama
eternal hare
it's one of the worst possible hammers on rama
also on second thought I just rewatched that asterius fight and it is quite a bit sloppy, lol
let me see if I can find a cleaner one
unique zephyr
Tisiphone has a small space to fight her after phase transition
do I Just not try to power shot or what
eternal hare
you can power shot her right after she phases
takes a little bit of practice to align it with right when she comes out of the impervious bubble
she also leaves very large openings after her stun+dash sequences
unique zephyr
I see. I have trouble vs medusa type enemies especially power couple
eternal hare
MM power couple is definitely rough
unique zephyr
how do I power shot without being being turned to stone
eternal hare
it's not like it's constantly shooting out projectiles, so as usual play it patiently and watch for when it stops spitting them out
willow fjord
how do I power shot without being being turned to stone
I usually focus down the Medusa first, and the head-stone is much easier to focus down
bright mango
Bacchus just know that with fo2, you can't really powershot the skull crusher
You have to let out mini attacks
eternal hare
I typically mark both megagorgon and skullcrusher, shoot the megagorgon as much as I can, meg both as soon as the skullcrusher lands and then I try to shoot them both
but it also doesn't end up looking like that a lot of time
solar maple
No matter how good I get at this game I never *feel* like I'm good at this game
that won't go away lol
eternal hare
@unique zephyr https://clips.twitch.tv/QuaintLitigiousDelicataDoubleRainbow-oh9nU2_75SeIJRQ6 here's a "mildly scuffed" MM power couple fight if you want another reference point for something to try to emulate
neat sonnet
I know right
forgot it was a thing
I think I saw like 4 duos this run
gods' pride lol
unique zephyr
Got the rama 32 clear
gritty flame
I just lost a 32 heat run against Hades and it really sucks because the highest heat I've done before this is 16
I was sooo close
bright mango
Oof
gritty flame
LC2, JS1, EM3, BP2, MM, Underworld Customs, FO1, HS, DM2, AP1, TD3
I just needed a liitttllee more time and I would have made it
bright mango
Dm2?
gritty flame
DC*
gritty flame
that wasn't my issue
but maybe I got reasonably lucky with boon choices
I didn't do any super special build or anything
bright mango
Fo2+ LC4 lets you take off AP and JS
gritty flame
I don't understand why people love LC4 so much. Not being able to heal sucks
bright mango
We don’t love it
bright mango
Just makes stuff easier
gritty flame
How
bright mango
No JS no AP
gritty flame
I use healing items a lot
pseudo kernel
I will never play with lc4
bright mango
You can heal with stubborn defiance
gritty flame
Eh? ONCE
hearty onyx
It makes regular rooms much easier
gritty flame
I died 2-3 times against Theseus
pseudo kernel
Healing with sd is horrible
hearty onyx
Since you can heal once per room
pseudo kernel
Idk what happened to me
gritty flame
I dunno man... I guess I could try it
but I would leave AP on and go down to TD2 probably
pseudo kernel
Ap sucks
gritty flame
I used zag fists
hearty onyx
Better aspect at least
gritty flame
shrug I usually just select whatever my dark thirst weapon is
pseudo kernel
Dem is better
bright mango
^
pseudo kernel
Same thing with better special
gritty flame
well... i did get pretty close at least
It's not "same thing" you get hit more often
hearty onyx
Only 15% of the time
pseudo kernel
Just grab the hermes boon
hearty onyx
Which is usually not enough
gritty flame
I did jump from 9 heat to 32 with the fists...lol
hearty onyx
Or get some broken boon combinations that you can't easily get with AP1
pseudo kernel
Why
hearty onyx
Some people are impatient
bright mango
I did that lol
gritty flame
tbh I just wanna say I beat it on 32 heat
bright mango
My highest was rail with 11 before my first 32
pseudo kernel
I did 25 and then 32 with zeus shield
hearty onyx
Wow, I got every single bounty with a weapon before I went to 32
bright mango
Lol
hearty onyx
I've gotten them all, and 32 heat on every weapon
bright mango
I think I’ve gotten half of the bounties. I clear about twice a week lol
hearty onyx
Now I'm attempting 40 heat on every weapon, and I'm not looking forward to fists
pseudo kernel
I think I’ve gotten half of the bounties. I clear about twice a week lol
Bruh are you just always playing 32+
willow fjord
Does anyone have any tips for Thesus with extreme measures on? Everyone else is more or less straight forwards
I always find myself either taking too much time, or just wasting my death's defiances
Im using the shield btw
quartz mantle
Try to focus Asterius first, and try to keep out of Theseus's path while he's circling around the outside or just riding around
Once it's Theseus alone you can just trail him with dash strikes and bull rushes but make sure not to get too close or he'll smack you
hearty onyx
Razor Shoals
mossy moon
I got the Hammer effect that gives me the ability to deploy 3 at once and I just dropped those before I shot at the enemies
it's nice for crowd control although it sucks that you have to position yourself in a certain way
this is amplified by getting the Hammer effect that improves blast radius by 250%
unique zephyr
Ah ok. Any lucifer tips in general to be safer? I know you can dash while attacking
mossy moon
since the attack is a laser that fires continuously I like to put a status effect like Hangover or Chill that stacks a lot
mossy moon
but this isn't really professional advice this is casual advice
mossy moon
I meant mechanics more so than boons
oh
I got nothing for ya there
quartz mantle
Idk anyone who is a luci expert outside of Nephi but they're offline
But getting triple bomb is a strat
and it's a good strat
halcyon flame
is cf2 js1 good for hestia at 40 heat?
wintry berry
It's fine
wintry peak
32 heat zag and nemesis sword is going to be the death of me
halcyon flame
as much as i hate CF
i hate js on hestia more
and besides i got the clear anyway 
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/834641223905706044/Hades_280.png
eternal hare
hmm yeah, you probably could have just taken a heat away from CF+JS and tacked on AP1 since hestia is extremely resilient to it overall
but a clear is a clear, so congrats!
halcyon flame
i'm torn between whether ap1 is worse or cf2
either way both are awful 🤮
i really need to clean up my hestia though lmao
i keep reloading multiple times without firing it's so sloppy
unique zephyr
Does Rama want damage control at 40 heat or no
Not sure if my normal 40 heat pact or one with DC would be better
How well does Rama handle JS2 and JS3 on TD3
I could run CF1 or CF0 if I run more JS
halcyon flame
rama can totally handle dc2
just hit them with your special
it may be a bit annoying but it's very manageable
rama is basically built for crowds so you may be able to do js3 just fine
although the enemies themselves may be an issue with js3
eternal hare
you can avoid cf2 js and cp entirely with 40 rama
edgy arrow
sure if you want
but that wouldn't be the easiest pact
except CP definitely avoid that
eternal hare
CF1 is fine
edgy arrow
CF2 is relatively fine at 40 honestly
edgy arrow
you gotta start taking a few things you don't want at that point
unique zephyr
I have 4 40 heat clears now
edgy arrow
idk if HS is quite necessary at 40, but its definitely getting there
eternal hare
rama can play around HS pretty easily
unique zephyr
I’d take out JS, CF, or HS for DC
halcyon flame
i want my first 40 heat clear to be with gy lol
edgy arrow
HS isn't really that aspect dependant honestly
unique zephyr
CF and JS more so
halcyon flame
i almost made it last time but died instantly to styx traps
edgy arrow
outside of melee weapons in aspho
unique zephyr
I want to try GY 40, too
I really don’t want to do fists or sword 40
I’m a wimp 😛
edgy arrow
GY 40 isn't as bad as it sounds
unique zephyr
GY feels surprisingly strong at high heat from my 32 experience
unique zephyr
Like it only took me 4 tries for GY 32, I think
edgy arrow
fun fact: GY was actually the first aspect to break 40
halcyon flame
my gy 32 heat clear was silky smooth
edgy arrow
definitely falls off sharply if you wanna go higher than that tho
halcyon flame
got epic heartbreak flourish + charged skewer in tart then just steamrolled it lol
edgy arrow
charged skewer good
halcyon flame
i can see how gy falls off at higher heats
edgy arrow
i one tried my GY 40 because i got it chamber 1 lol
halcyon flame
routine inspection guan yu
edgy arrow
yeah nope
halcyon flame
lmao i got charged skewer chamber 1 with gy and just decided to go for it
unique zephyr
I haven’t one tried any high heat stuff yet
My first 32 Hestia mirrorless attempt reached dad though
CF0 DC2 on Rama?
CF2 sucks
halcyon flame
cf2 is ass
cf1 is manageable
cf0 is ideal but you'd probably have to tack on something worse for that
honest kernel
I always put dc2 on rama so yea
unique zephyr
I'm having a rough time with Rama 40
although most of it is just me needing to get better
halcyon flame
rama with fo2 sounds rough
dire steppe
halcyon flame
honestly bow 40 in general seems rough
rama is the one aspect that's good with crowds but it's not exactly good with faster enemies
honest kernel
bows 40 were really easy for me but i also main bow
unique zephyr
Rama at 40 feels so much harder than at 32
unique zephyr
Bow is better at high heat
honest kernel
everyone mains bow <3
mossy zinc
But I have more Malphon escape attempts.
halcyon flame
hera crush shot brainrot
honest kernel
did you try dio start bacchus
unique zephyr
No
honest kernel
its pretty good
unique zephyr
Do you go for any duos
unique zephyr
Should I use special twice on each enemy so I get all 5 stacks or is 3 enough
honest kernel
depends on how chonky theyare
use it twice for big guys
you all mark them anyway
hangover just auto clears the small enemies for you
it also lets you play hella safe if you wish to
then you put artemis or aphro on attack and get the duo
halcyon flame
dio special + arty attack > splitting headache though
unique zephyr
God’s Pride is probably better for Rama with dio start right?
Going for Splitting headache doesn’t seem worth giving up Pride
honest kernel
epic hangover good ye
unique zephyr
It has good pom scaling too right
honest kernel
yes
mossy zinc
Bad Influence is also better than Splitting Headache.
God's Legacy hurts your odds of getting Bad Influence a bit because leg/duo is rolled first.
Although, Splitting Headache with Hunter's Mark is pretty ridiculous.
honest kernel
this reminds me
true fable
bad influence is just silly
honest kernel
I should record a 40 rama for my playlist
waxen relic
random thought: summon Skelly vs Heroes to get a short moment of Bad influence going
true fable
LOL
unique zephyr
it also lets you play hella safe if you wish to
How do you play safe with TD3
Also, why is dio better than zeus on Rama special
mossy zinc
Hangover gud.
halcyon flame
How do you play safe with TD3
eventually td3 becomes so trivial that you can play sluggish and somehow get sub 20, at least barely
at least that's how it is for me
i got 16 mins with my first mirrorless run expecting to get 22 mins or like barely less lol
hushed folio
hegh, y'all on 40 while I'm here, unable to nail 16 with my cheesiest shield build.
true fable
eh
halcyon flame
is flood flare beo isn't cheesy i don't know what is 😤
true fable
takes some time
unique zephyr
eventually td3 becomes so trivial that you can play sluggish and somehow get sub...
Been practicing a lot, TD3 is more manageable now but still hard for me
true fable
to get familiar with the game
hushed folio
well I probs could do 16, except I've got my heart set on taking down extreme measures 4
unique zephyr
EM4 is best done on its own
halcyon flame
i think it does?
true fable
it shouldnt no
honest kernel
How do you play safe with TD3
I dont play rama with td3
but you can
its just unchill
actually lemme try 40h td3 rama right now
mossy zinc
You'll do fine. 💕
halcyon flame
hoary pasture
yis
spice lava
How do you play safe with TD3
@unique zephyr you don't, that's how they want us to win: By doing "calculated risks"
gaunt fiber
Hm, so I need this duo. Noted.
honest kernel
5:30 left lul
yeah you go faster with this thing than I thought
I had 2 sacks and one of them was vermin so even bad sack rng wouln't have mattered
also triple+point blank is just 🤌
honest kernel
10 chill thanks to frozen touch tho
hoary pasture
EM2 very sus
honest kernel
melting heroes in a few secs was a nice change of pace
mossy zinc
I think I've done maybe one run with Rama under 40 lol. Doing anything lower just doesn't feel right.
edgy arrow
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523774570394681344/834659937493188639/unk...
this only works for speedrunners tho
made one for high heat:
honest kernel
edgy arrow
i have no regrets
gaunt fiber
maybe a bit of shame then?
edgy arrow
^
it’s true
i’m not smart enough to be ashamed
all my mental power is dedicated to willing mirage shot to not be crossed out by AP
halcyon flame
dio beo players when they don't get chaos grasp in tartarus
dusty bramble
What's beo?
edgy arrow
it’s the best aspect in the game the hidden shield aspect
dusty bramble
Skill?
halcyon flame
flood flare beo players when they don't get mirage shot before elysium
edgy arrow
most people find it clunky when they first use it, but with a bit of practice it’s really rewarding
halcyon flame
yeah beowulf feels really weird and clunky at first
but when you get the hang of it, beo is super destructive
anyways
halcyon flame
passion flare beo players when passion flare gets crossed out by AP
edgy arrow
why is the GY words so small
honest kernel
bc the health is small
gaunt fiber
to leave some room
edgy arrow
inb4 arthur mains drop a version with PLAY ARTHUR in massive letters
gaunt fiber
I thought about it too lmao
or pseudo with any weapon at high heat tbh
He's developed a strategy
honest kernel
gaunt fiber
"If I can't block with a shield I'll block with my body"
gaunt fiber
this meme is ready for reddit congrats everyone
edgy arrow
yep good work
still needs a zeus version that just says “be baj” but it’s pretty good
halcyon flame
gaunt fiber
well ok but where's "hestia"
halcyon flame
goddamnit
gaunt fiber
lmao
halcyon flame
where is it
halcyon flame
edgy arrow
... but alas, the peace was short lived
everything changed when the hestia mains attacked
edgy arrow
it’s too late
you posted that meme, now you’re legally a hestia main
i’m sorry that’s the rules
gaunt fiber
congratulations spammy
halcyon flame
then i must restore balance
halcyon flame
halcyon flame
hera
gaunt fiber
I expected that one tbh
mossy zinc
I expected that one tbh
You're wise.
solar maple
I am proud to say that as of today, this channel now features the word "beo" more than the word "rama"
gaunt fiber
You added "beo" and "beowulf" ?
solar maple
halcyon flame
rama
solar maple
LOL
solar maple
You added "beo" and "beowulf" ?
tied because of this
gaunt fiber
I see
halcyon flame
hestia aint even close
solar maple
guan yu is at 1k for this channel only
I was only counting the heat channel, not the whole server
that or the search is garbage, also possible
if you add gy that's another 1.5k I see
so you are right
halcyon flame
counting both "beo" and "beowulf", the aspect has been mentioned 4,036 times in this channel
mossy zinc
That's more than Astaos's Guan Yu escape attempts.
neat sonnet
Narrowly
bright mango
1300+
gaunt fiber
1450 ladies and gentlemen
true fable
i hit like 300 on hera in 2 weeks trying 50 heat
because i reset in c2 on like 85-95% of runs
gaunt fiber
have you been playing gy since it came out in early access
No I'm a 1.0 baby
gaunt fiber
i hit like 300 on hera in 2 weeks trying 50 heat
Damn hera has been painful
true fable
yeah keep in mind attempts are inflated by resets
astaos' are probably inflated by resets for charged skewer at 50
gaunt fiber
They are indeed
800 attempts are legit
Maybe more actually
Because I did not reset before a long time
solar maple
yeah I have a ton of demeter runs because it is one of the only aspects I reset in tartarus a bunch with
solemn pulsar
He would have done it in way less than 300 if he had done em4 pact the whole time
solar maple
I basically only played it for like a week
true fable
i think i would have done it in less if i simply stuck to one pact
but alas
idk
hera is weird
honest kernel
damn astaos never tasted pre nerf gy
true fable
you can do so many different pacts
solemn pulsar
I think my Hera 50 grind was like 205 EM3 deaths before elysium and like 15 em4 runs
true fable
they take different skillsets i think
true fable
and i do not have a strong skillset for either but RI0 let me get carried by boons
yeah agreed cgull
true fable
if i felt strong enough to leave tart it made it to hades basically every time
solemn pulsar
Gives you a much higher chance of busted builds
And even with a busted build em4 ain’t easy
Took me like 4 busted builds to pop it
Retrash is another being
honest kernel
what stamina
I cant play 50 for long bc I get too angry tbh
feels good to know that most runs die fast
bright mango
How many resets does retrash have?
I imagine not many just because he takes whatever the game gives as does what he can
mossy zinc
1450 ladies and gentlemen
,
gaunt fiber
Is the purpose of your message notifying me that I missed a comma?
That would make a lot of ladies and gentlemen indeed
Thank, you, Nyaanyaa,
mossy zinc
Who can say.
honest kernel
lmfao I just realized the hellmode save I used for 50 had priv status on
thats why the runs sucked so much
watch me win this one tho
mossy zinc
You can do it! 💕
bright mango
Smoldering rip current or ME
wintry peak
I've been trying all day 😭
I've been trying ME all day but RNG isn't on my side
Might as well try smoldering rip current
eager anchor
May I introduce you to my cursed slash td0 cult?
If things can't kill you they will eventually die 🙂
bright mango
This is how you cheese any weapon you don't want to play
You don't have to actually play zag sword
mossy zinc
You can't build for a specific hammer like Cursed Slash, you can only reset for it.
wintry peak
I was so close to getting ME on my first try at 32 lmao
Died to 2nd phase of Hades and I was so sad
Couldve killed him if I had ME
eager anchor
This sounds like a semantics, Nyaanyaa, how do you define "build for smth"?
mossy zinc
It's not semantics, no. You have a lot of control over what boons you take and are eligible for, so you can actually affect that and build towards things.
You get two hammers in your run, you can't reroll them, you have no control over the first three options you are offered and extremely limited control over the next three.
You're guaranteed to see three out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash on your very first boon, you're guaranteed to see at least one of them every time until all four slots are filled. You can actually manipulate that to get things you want and progress your build as you go.
Cursed Slash is not a build.
It's one hammer.
You get it or you don't.
eager anchor
You do not control your boons entirely but only boost your chances (like the person above, who unfortunately didn’t get ME even if they “built for it”). So this becomes just the game of the odds
mossy zinc
No. They still actually built towards something, and had a build at the end.
You don't build towards Cursed Slash.
eager anchor
And I respectfully disagree with the statement that cursed slash is not a build
mossy zinc
Do that.
eager anchor
“Built towards something” if we define build as what boons you have in the end, then yes, by definition every run builds to something
Oh, sorry, perhaps I misunderstood you. Did you mean “attempting to get something” as build towards?
eager anchor
Do the math. 1/12 chances to get cursed alas=> 12 times, each reset ~3 minutes
So only half an hour
quartz mantle
That's not how statistics work but ok
eager anchor
Ap2
spice lava
Yeah it's a statistic answer like expectation but in reality odds can be tough
solemn pulsar
half an hour is your expected wait time
quartz mantle
infinitely better options
solemn pulsar
aka could be shorter or longer
honest kernel
I actually like dio start more at rama50 than artemis 🤡 but only when I roll drunken flourish
eager anchor
Yes, I know cgull. It took me 45 minutes on the actual attempt iirc
solemn pulsar
at that point i would just seed it
quartz mantle
I'm literally doing 45 heat runs and haven't touched either AP or RI
quartz mantle
Don't get why people use those at anything lower
solemn pulsar
some aspects really don't hate AP1 that much
bright mango
Yeah above 45 I always use AP
solemn pulsar
picking a boon is not playing the game
that's like saying RNG makes you play the game less
when it doesn't give you the boon you want
eager anchor
Guys I’m not telling that your builds/heat settings are bad, I’m just saying that my goal was to optimize expected time of competition with as little skill involved as possible. This is fun for me
solemn pulsar
you're just not playing the game you wanted
quartz mantle
but free room rng does make you play the game less
solemn pulsar
cursed slash TD0 is not low skill
that's a slog
and base sword combo is not safe
mossy zinc
@eager anchor
: to form by ordering and uniting materials by gradual means into a composite whole
bright mango
All I’m saying is that it does not sound fun resetting for it
Nothing wrong with the skill involved
wintry berry
You want cursed slash ? Just mod your game so that you have it first room
halcyon flame
seeding for cursed slash should force you to have 90% less health
eager anchor
Jokes on you I just started doing seeded cursed slash 50
spice lava
?
bright mango
Jokes on you I just started doing seeded cursed slash 50<:dusa:52224877140954318...
Is this TD0👀
eager anchor
Of course my friend
mossy zinc
Why reset for AP2 Cursed Slash at 32 for half an hour when you could be near finished with your second 32 by then.
eager anchor
All but em4 and ri3/4
honest kernel
infinite time but do you also have infinte stamina
halcyon flame
seeding for ap2 cursed slash is something a bored greek god would do
honest kernel
why is seeded vs unseeded even a thing when ppl reset all day anyway
mossy zinc
Well, you could take a break after every room and wouldn't even need to pause the game.
halcyon flame
how are you gonna devote so much time into getting a hammer that's not even... good
bright mango
They said they’re doing it seeded
spice lava
If you're able to clear your 50 heat run post your victory screen or video here please 🙏 👀
halcyon flame
and flexing about cursed slash clear at 50 heat
cursed slash with hl5 and fo2 is gonna be one hell of a flex if they manage to do this somehow
wintry berry
Infinite time, ez game
eager anchor
yep, cursed slash 50 unseeded is too much time investment. I did 40 unseeded and decided to stop there
mossy zinc
Seeded inevitably leads to mapping out at least early Tartarus to some extent.
If you keep playing the same seed.
honest kernel
I suppose
eager anchor
Yes, I understand it. But since it is in the game I feel like it's a fair game
honest kernel
I think nya is talking to me
mossy zinc
Yes.
eager anchor
oh, sry
mossy zinc
You're free to do seeded. There's a seeded leaderboard and an unseeded leaderboard.
honest kernel
I think I might seed my 50 ye
I just want a good start the rest is whatever
resetting is a headache
bright mango
What weapon are you doing?
honest kernel
rama
bright mango
Ap2?
honest kernel
yeah
bright mango
I’ve been doing a lot of AP1 attempts recently and it’s going really well
honest kernel
maybe ap1 is the way yeah
eternal hare
you get a lot more runs going with the AP1 hellmode pact, yeah
honest kernel
but ri2 feels kinda bad
bright mango
You get good hammers and deadly strike/Hunter dash
eternal hare
ri2 does feel pretty bad for sure
spice lava
Rama is great, I mean that with it I don't have to reset because of the first room generally
wintry berry
Get explosive shot with AP2 on Rama
spice lava
I can still explore a bit more before considering the run will go nowhere
honest kernel
I usually do that yeah
mossy zinc
For me, getting to a point where I can do a good run at 50 Heat regardless of the boons and hammers I get is part of the fun.
honest kernel
its just so noticeable how much getting something I can work with early affects my performance
spice lava
Who are you? The real nyaa wants Aphro boons, not any boon
mossy zinc
That's implied, obviously, since I start with the Eternal Rose. 💕
It's not like you've got to start from scratch to figure out how to deal with the RNG at 50 on Rama. Tailesque has strategies that can work consistently. And there are other players, like Retrash, who get very consistent results at 50 regardless of aspect, even.
honest kernel
yeah I know other ppl are good 😔
bright mango
Mood
honest kernel
but thanks for the encouraging words
wintry berry
Anybody doing 40+ heat is good
mossy zinc
yeah I know other ppl are good 😔
Tailesque is better at Tailesque things. Toffel is better at Toffel things.
hollow silo
hi
bright mango
unique zephyr
I still feel like a wannabe high heat player
I want to do 50 eventually, I do want to do 40 fists and sword first though, been trying for 24 x 32 as well
And try 40 for some aspects like Rama
bright mango
ur not wannabe if you completed 40