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#h1-high-heat-strategies
solar maple
Wait what
eternal hare
maybe they couldn't see splitting bolt doing anything because it's obscured by other zeus visual effects and they play with damage numbers turned off?
daring hedge
i haven't read this guide but i hope the beo part is like "don't bother with casts, just get charged flight and use your special"
true fable
it is
eternal hare
oh my
daring hedge
REALLY
eternal hare
how long ago was this thing written again
true fable
a misunderstanding of how the game works
solar maple
I hate it here
true fable
they have updates from 1.37 sooooo
daring hedge
incredible
eternal hare
truly awful
can you imagine how many poor souls were deceived into hating specific aspects when really they just misunderstand how they work
solar maple
Like retrash with Beowulf 😔
eternal hare
tetras 👀
solar maple
Oh I'm on phone because I'm resetting an any heat run rn
true fable
they also have krasherkorr's doc linked
so im not sure
how long ago
this was updated
eternal hare
which doc is that
daring hedge
oof yeah that was a while back
basically the high heat doc before our current one
krasher stopped being a regular or updating it so we made the new one
eternal hare
ah
true fable
most of their decisions
for whether a duo is good or not
is based on whether or not it activates PS
daring hedge
FUNNY NOISES
solar maple
Hmmmm
eternal hare
b i g g e r n u m b e r
bright mango
Monke brain like bigger number
true fable
i'll do this after i finish all aspects 50 heat
eternal hare
you can also just have a 9 god pool for the actual bigger number!
eternal hare
smh PS is old hat, forcing a new god each biome is the new meta
bright mango
EZ
daring hedge
i could take tooth into elysium for safety OR. ARES APPEARS and i get 5% more global damage
easy decision
eternal hare
unfortunately, you are an RI2 gamer
true fable
looks like they were a regular here in 2020 and late 2019
interesting
RI2 gaming is pain
sometimes i leave tart with a level 4 cast
sometimes i leave tart with a level 1 cast
either way its not up to me
daring hedge
i've normalized it so hard that RI0 feels a bit like cheating
true fable
it really does doesnt it
true fable
like i got offered 2 duos on one screen yesterday with RI0 and felt like
a little dirty inside
solar maple
I play pretty much all ri0 :)
eternal hare
just get premium vintage in early tart and you can pretend like your HP is RI0-tier
true fable
TRUE
i've legit considered resetting for either room 1 big pom erebus or tart prem vintage
both are just such value
solemn pulsar
i've normalized it so hard that RI0 feels a bit like cheating
Then LOCK UP my Hera 50
true fable
we've locked it up and thrown away the key
solemn pulsar
Doesn’t change the fax
daring hedge
known combined router and CHEATER cgull run null and void
solemn pulsar
I needed it for em4 tho
true fable
i tried it for a few attempts today and it felt ok
daring hedge
for hera bright?
solemn pulsar
Em4 with ri2 at 50 is big no
true fable
just need a level 2 cast out of tart and i think im fine
for hera yeah
no EM4 in this one
EM3 RI2 AP1 TD3
solemn pulsar
I never got past asterius midboss with ri2 EM3 pacts
true fable
maybe go back to EM3 RI2 AP2 TD2 depending on how i feel
solemn pulsar
With EM3 you could do js3 tbh
daring hedge
but yeah RI2 EM4 is rough for sure
true fable
it was sad
solemn pulsar
Take a point out of DC or CF
true fable
level 3 common cast
daring hedge
that's straight up only 54+ territory for me
true fable
your "build" is just so sad
solemn pulsar
And it only gets worse
true fable
honestly it wasnt too bad getting the cast because resets are so fast
but getting poms in the cast
hoo boy
true fable
nut
solemn pulsar
Was the literal last numbskull too
daring hedge
my hera 50 was such a weird run. like, carried by epic curse of agony for the first half and then got AP2 mirage shot in elysium... for a level 2 true shot
daring hedge
aspho erebus is so underrated honestly
true fable
but i want one erebus in early tart for me to continue a hera run at this point
big pom/big health/big money
aspho erebus is a mixed bag honestly
sometimes theres speeder dusas
scary stuff
solemn pulsar
Tail you might like this. One speed runner is trying running HL1 to hit 10 heat for igt runs
To take asphodel Erebus for Hermes rarity bonuses
true fable
lol
solemn pulsar
And it works
daring hedge
oh that's actually really neat
true fable
i thought it was to avoid skipping midshop
solemn pulsar
Helps with that
true fable
both good reasons i suppose
solemn pulsar
Double duty
eternal hare
what are the rates of erebus gates spawning in any particular chamber anyway
solar maple
Ok I keep resetting and every run is just worse than my delta hazard run
true fable
cursed
solemn pulsar
solar maple
I swear those hammers are blessed
true fable
pseudo why are your runs so blursed
solar maple
I had a 5:17 Ely exit with delta hazard and no dash lmao
true fable
the other day i accidentally started a trove
solar maple
It will be burried
solemn pulsar
Just leave my dude
eternal hare
obol troves actually kinda nice tbh
true fable
yah
solar maple
Idk If I pb with delta hazard I can just stop playing eris forever
ashen garnet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vR8OWqTyJ_EbqVTBomnBsjyntsFZU9Xf...
Do you have Charon's well and Purging chances in Styx by any chance ? From boonless attempts it feels like Purging chances are affected by the number of boons you have
true fable
idk
solemn pulsar
Do you have Charon's well and Purging chances in Styx by any chance ? From boonl...
Oh no I left it off of there lol
Purging is irrelevant of anything. Though I suppose it might not spawn if you don’t have boons
daring hedge
high heat TD2 making obol troves kinda reasonable to do is nice
solemn pulsar
Well shop is like 30% with a cooldown
Purging well is 0 in tart, then like 15% with a cooldown
Wait @ashen garnet they are on there
I am not a forget
true fable
high heat TD2 making obol troves kinda reasonable to do is nice
i do them sometimes on TD3 depending on the aspect and how close i am to boon
full greed mode
solemn pulsar
I can check code later to see if it doesn’t spawn them when you don’t have boons though
daring hedge
that's fair
i think TD3 tart on high heat is like
i will just not take that risk
aspho maybe
solar maple
Bright likes gold
eternal hare
especially when the game blesses you with an excess of unarmored numbskulls/witches
solemn pulsar
You can always bail on the trial if it looks dicey
ashen garnet
Purging is irrelevant of anything. Though I suppose it might not spawn if you do...
I still don't see anything about Styx, I guess it's not updated yet (could be on google's end) 
It could be relevant if Wells and Purging can replace each others (I remember the small "right L" Styx chamber having one or the other at the same spot) ?
solemn pulsar
I’ll get the info in a bit. Computer not currently intact
unique zephyr
I have shield sword and fists 40 left
been hitting a wall, at least I made it to dad on shield 40
wonder if reviewing my vods would help
What are beo tips for Lernie
I take so much damage from the lava from bull rushing
unique zephyr
I meant more so me bull rushing into lava and stuff
merry otter
Don't bull rush in aspho?
true fable
or at least not into lava
beo has big aoe
you can also just dash out of lava?
after the rush?
bright mango
For cross platform heads, hold your bullrush so you can reach them without stepping in lava
Or just dash to them and then rush
bright mango
^
Ez fight
Weren’t there like 3 beo records in the past two months?
56,58,60 right?
honest kernel
Sounds about right
solar maple
past 2 weeks more like haha
bronze viper
Hmm... things appear to have happened
bronze viper
I read some of stuff, hard to miss haha
You went from first to 4th in a week. Dece.
solar maple
well it's all the same player
solar maple
so still sort of 2nd
bronze viper
I need to work on my "still sort of second" for Rama as well
solar maple
just behind by 6 heat lol
bronze viper
Now I'm just 3rd lol
solar maple
and bright will beat me any day now
bronze viper
Too busy dying in tart with punchies. Well didn't actually play at all this weekend, but depending on AotW that's what I'll be doing
Did you finish Eris? :3
solar maple
no, never got past the speedruns
had a 5:17 elysium exit get 4 sacked, but that was the only good run
bronze viper
Ooof, dat's fast
solar maple
yeah it was dubious sub 7 pace
I say dubious because I didn't have splash dash, but splitting bolt does a good impression
lusty mirage
retrash is streaming btw
true fable
im stuck in hera jail dw pseudo
i will remain stuck in hera jail for the foreseeable future
\
unique zephyr
Any tips on power couple for beo?
I have trouble killing the thing that slams on the ground quickly and safely
solemn pulsar
https://www.twitch.tv/retrash retrash stream btw
unique zephyr
like I can't really hit my bull rush on it reliably
solemn pulsar
@unique zephyr if the megagorgon is dead, load your casts, bait the skullcrusher into falling down, then dash away and charge a bull rush facing the spot
i think it should carry you across the shock wave invincibly
@solar maple is that how bull rush works lol
solemn pulsar
I still don't see anything about Styx, I guess it's not updated yet (could be on...
styx has same odds, but well shop cooldown is 6 chambers instead of 3
you can't see a purging pool without having 3 "upgradeable" boons, which i assume just means selling
so the boonless strat would be to acquire 3 boons if you're in styx and get forced into one
and hope for the .15 chance to roll around
but the well shop chance rolls first, so it'll overwrite a purging well even if it would have rolled, since styx rooms only have 1 spot for them to spawn usually (except the end rooms, some of them have multiple spots)
and a lot of styx rooms don't even have spots for the wells to spawn
true fable
you need to make sure your dash strike outranges the fall circle
otherwise you will eat it
but two dashes should be sufficient for it
i personally like baiting the crusher to fall on gorgon, dash out > meg > bull rush
should work
if you cant one cycle it
er
0 cycle i mean
unique zephyr
Ah ok, thanks!
Second time reaching dad on beo 40, i just need to not choke this time
unique zephyr
I won, finally
bright mango
Was it em4?
Nvmd
Also you might want to consider taking JS2 CP1 at 40 with beo, especially when ur running flood flare
unique zephyr
With TD3?
I had like 10 seconds left on timer that time lol
I have sword and fist left now
Melee weapons are hard
bright mango
I don't think timer would've been a problem with deadly strike and mirage @unique zephyr 
You get more power to defeat timer with CF0
unique zephyr
I don't think timer would've been a problem with deadly strike and mirage <@!266...
Would that have helped more than hyper delivery
How does CF0 help
halcyon flame
40 heat first try with beowulf 
unique zephyr
Your first try? Nice
unique zephyr
I don’t think I’ve ever one shot anything heat relaxes, nice job!
Streak of 5 too
Maybe I should try any heat speedrunning
halcyon flame
this is my first 40 heat, pretty nice
bright mango
Would that have helped more than hyper delivery
You could've gotten both hyper delivery and mirage with CF0
unique zephyr
Is there a big difference between CF2 and CF1
halcyon flame
i like how our pacts and builds are almost similar
halcyon flame
Is there a big difference between CF2 and CF1
definitely
beo can totally handle js2
you can just put it on cf1 and js2
bright mango
I still like CF0, but go CF1 if you can
quartz mantle
CF stinky
quartz mantle
I am currently learning EM4 so I don't have to put on CF
quartz mantle
CP also stinky
bright mango
Even though my winrate is like 10% with em4
quartz mantle
You probably do one or the other not both
unique zephyr
I am currently learning EM4 so I don't have to put on CF
I want to learn EM4 to not take CP
Right now my health issues prevent me from grinding EM4 though
quartz mantle
Understandable
unique zephyr
Like how I learned FO2 by never turning it off?
halcyon flame
i should probably get around to em4 at some point so i can shave off some pacts i really don't like
mossy zinc
Like EM4.
unique zephyr
So uh, is the best way to get 40 heat for sword still Poseidon sword?
I suck at sword with high heat
I tried watching retrash for Nemesis but all I could do was watch in amazement (I don’t understand how he beat EM4 with nemesis sword and I saw it happen)
And know the basic special to two dash strike combo
hearty onyx
There's always disgarding the attack and going for casts
That is what I'm currently doing
unique zephyr
I may want to try CF1 for Poseidon sword but filling in the remaining heat seems icky
I guess if I get lightning phalanx it could deal with JS2?
unique zephyr
i like how our pacts and builds are almost similar <:dusa:522248771409543188>
The pact I used is more or less my go to 40 heat pact funnily enough
mossy zinc
The best is whatever sword you're best with.
hearty onyx
1 point for HS?
unique zephyr
I already take HS for 40
halcyon flame
i just realized i was gonna record my 40 heat run but i forgot to!!!!! again!!!!!!!!!!
hearty onyx
Then Jury Summons?
unique zephyr
It’ll be me going from JS1 to JS2
So I’ll basically have to game quicker
I’m not sure how much slower JS2 is over JS1
I haven’t done JS2 at high heat yet
spice lava
Yeah watching Retrash might be difficult because his moves are optimized and he can deal with a lot of AP2 bad luck so it's difficult to reproduce what he does at high heat
unique zephyr
Because of lack of practice or talent
true fable
column a column b
spice lava
@unique zephyr If Retrash himself doesn't explain what he does, are you 100% sure to understand the logic and the decision-making he does? Like math, if you use something on your run without understanding why it works, this is likely to fail
unique zephyr
<@266732686838595606> If Retrash himself doesn't explain what he does, are you 1...
That makes sense
true fable
@shy plinth soz for the ping, but what's that website you use to draft up potential pacts?
unique zephyr
I’m not sure how I’d get good at EM4 once I decide I want to
unique zephyr
<@!145977230034599937> soz for the ping, but what's that website you use to draf...
I’m not him but it’s this site
true fable
thanks all the same
useful site
timer might be tight
if it is you can try something like JS0 AP1 but it might be slightly painful
mossy zinc
It's true that Bacchus is not me
How we do know this is true?
Has anyone ever seen RidiculousHat and Bacchus93 in the same room before?
shy plinth
Right now
halcyon flame
@unique zephyr
shy plinth
halcyon flame
well?
halcyon flame
i suppose it is true than bacchus and ridiculous hat are indeed, not the same person
spice lava
We can't say that yet
Hat's work is about hidden aspects so what if he has... a hidden identity?
edgy arrow
hat is gone, bacchus is back, illuminati confirmed
spice lava
Still working on your hidden aspects chronicles?
shy plinth
Still working on your hidden aspects chronicles?
Hearthstone podcasts right now, hidden aspects is on pause until I burn out on that game and come back to this one
I def have more Hades talkin' to do but time is hard to find these days
spice lava
Is your hidden aspect podcast supposed to be only 6 episodes or more?
spice lava
? 👀
shy plinth
Each episode isn't just about a weapon aspect lol
We talk about whatever the guest wants to discuss
I think the haelian episode was barely about hades at all
hearty onyx
Well today didn't go so well
I kept getting the sneak in Tartarus
The sneak was not made for FO2 cast builds
Also I keep getting hit
gaunt fiber
meg it
hearty onyx
That's the armor gone, then I keep taking 30 whole seconds to hit it with a cast
Maybe I should try Antos
ashen garnet
Missed Retrash's stream 
gaunt fiber
works too
but it's easy to kill when unarmored
try to stay near the pillar to one shot him
if you need to
ashen garnet
styx has same odds, but well shop cooldown is 6 chambers instead of 3
Thanks a lot ! 
So boonless is TD2 and clear "all" Styx chambers.
The wells probabilities are also busting the styx bone hourglass strategy
mossy zinc
That's the armor gone, then I keep taking 30 whole seconds to hit it with a cast
What Cast?
hearty onyx
Athena
solemn pulsar
athena cast has a slow startup, so prefiring it a bit is good, though it's tough to know where the sneak will be
when its right on top of you it's relateively easy though
but generally you want to be near it when you meg, and be sending casts over the instant that you can act out of summon
halcyon flame
don't send out your cast before using summon
mossy zinc
I guess just dash next to it and throw them. Don't make your cast travel the whole distance when Zagreus is faster.
honest kernel
I always tend to fire it off up close yes
its also quite a big blast
and deflects - pretty safe to be close w it
solemn pulsar
phalanx can be great when you prefire it and then dash in to sword them up
this strategy does not apply on enemies that teleport
or move quickly
so sneak + all of asphodel + shifters
hearty onyx
Agh, now I'm having trouble with Lernie for some reason
Normally I'm perfectly fine against him
Maybe I should just call it a day
eternal hare
so how much of that run was singlehandedly rescued by surfing?
mossy zinc
I like seeing failed attempts at getting ME. 💕
honest kernel
the game just didnt want to give me ME
it knows whats good...for me to not become lame
mossy zinc
Just do what I did when I did shields and get Charged Shot first try with all of them.
I thought it was a good strategy, so I did that. 
neat sonnet
what's a low learning curve aspect for the occasional run while I'm busy? should I grab a spear or maybe a lame ME fists? 32 btw
honest kernel
just block, easy
uh dunno what are you looking for? I think rails are pretty low effort
mossy zinc
Beowulf, too.
neat sonnet
done beo already lol
gaunt fiber
neat sonnet
nice
gaunt fiber
AP2 is free heat
neat sonnet
lmao
honest kernel
big frost strike
mossy zinc
Nice Crush Shot run. Congratulations. 💕
honest kernel
nice
gaunt fiber
Crush shot did it's job
dire adder
i usually use bouldy, and im trying to get antos, what is an easy pact setup/weapon build for 46 heat?
gaunt fiber
I rolled for HR in styx :D
neat sonnet
the luck
gaunt fiber
yeah
mossy zinc
Ain't no easy 46, m afraid.
dire adder
an easier 46 build/heat
gaunt fiber
Epic frost strike, all poms in the attack and "decent" hammers
neat sonnet
explosive triple is a funny one for sure Astaos
dire adder
ok that seems easy enough, rama seems hard b/c it so slow, also i heard some guy beat 64 heat w/ zeus sheild
gaunt fiber
ok so what weapon with that <@!238040913715265537>
What just describing my run sorry. Nyaanyaa listed "easy" aspects
dire adder
sorry
gaunt fiber
well it's not easy but they're strong aspects
dire adder
thought u were answering my question
gaunt fiber
I'd go for Beowulf if you have some practice
dire adder
that is true, i heard there is a lernie skip with rama bow to
mossy zinc
Slow in what way? It's def not slow at clearing rooms.
dire adder
slow in charging up attack
neat sonnet
side note: chaos hangover or zeus^2, what should I try
mossy zinc
Lernie skip requires a lottery win to even have the damage at that point.
neat sonnet
hrmmmm
mossy zinc
They're both good.
dire adder
chaos hangover, aphro attack, low tolerance, and try for curse of naseu try to get ares curse of venganse
mossy zinc
Pick whichever you prefer.
dire adder
ive done it alot
neat sonnet
chaos still feels weird to me, but zeus is weird by default I guess
honest kernel
I like doom much more on chaos tbh
quartz mantle
You don't really need to go for the top tier aspects until you hit like 50 heat
mossy zinc
Curse of Pain is also great.
quartz mantle
and even then you don't need to if your name is retrash
mossy zinc
I like Eternal Rose start and just pick whichever out of Heartbreak Strike and Flourish has better rarity.
dire adder
i also had a beowulf build that got me like 5 streak i can't remember what it was though... dio attatck and festive flare with blackout is really good on beowulf or hera
mossy zinc
Most important part for beating 46 is to just go and give it a try.
gaunt fiber
i also had a beowulf build that got me like 5 streak i can't remember what it wa...
I really like beowulf with Passion Flare, Snow burst and Privileged Status. You could try it, it's super safe and deals a lot of damage.
dire adder
what's an easy pact setup/build for rama? i almost never use rama
neat sonnet
does snow burst with load aspects (beo, hera) trigger on load or on release
dire adder
i remember now my beowulf build was ares attack, passion flare and their duo boon
it was just like bonk, bonk, bonk, it might've been more of that though
dire adder
I really like beowulf with Passion Flare, Snow burst and Privileged Status. You ...
isn't that like the speedrun build? i decided i would speedrun with non speedrun aspects so i wouldn't know
gaunt fiber
yeah you dash strike > Cast while bullrushing > boom
and repeat
It's not a speedrun build
mossy zinc
Speedrunners use all aspects.
neat sonnet
sub 7 chiron here we come??
gaunt fiber
Speedrunners go for Flood Flare and mirage shot, the high roll potential is great
mossy zinc
Passion Flare isn't speedrun meta anymore, but it was for some time. It's still great.
dire adder
true but the main ones were beo, nemisis, posiden, hera, achilles, eris, and demeter
gaunt fiber
But Passion Flare is a really strong cast
dire adder
true
gaunt fiber
Weak in high heat is poggies too
dire adder
i think when its on hera bow u can also get blown kiss bc it not called flare
and increasing the range is really good
gaunt fiber
Yeah you can get it
mossy zinc
You can.
solar maple
sub 7 chiron here we come??
take a look at the leaderboards :p
bright mango
it happened a while ago
solar maple
a bit more than sub 7
neat sonnet
let's go
neat sonnet
would that be the sheet here or speedrun . com
dire adder
in game time that's insane
solar maple
sr com
neat sonnet
okie
solar maple
the sheet here is for high heat clears
dire adder
but i think wr was by Anake1 like 2 weeks ago with a 5:56 igt
solar maple
yes eris is faster
neat sonnet
jeeez
solar maple
5:52 is wr
neat sonnet
that ties beo igt
dire adder
i mean with eris
neat sonnet
the chiron
dire adder
i can't remember what the time was i know it was 5:5_ and anake did it
solar maple
yeah that chiron run is the most insane aspect wr of any
dire adder
what is an easy high heat build/pact setup for rama, i almost never use rama
solar maple
for what heat?
dire adder
48
bright mango
dire adder
i mean easier
mossy zinc
Ban Pengy878.
solar maple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/832360896588283945/ima...
this pact with CP0 seems good
neat sonnet
pengy
dire adder
what is cp?
solar maple
for 48
dire adder
1 4get
neat sonnet
'add ri2' btw
dire adder
ooh yeah i never use it
bright mango
or you could add TD3 to that
solar maple
oh wait that's 45 heat
bright mango
Sounds rough tho
mossy zinc
Check pins for pact initialisms.
solar maple
I hate TD2 pacts haha
eternal hare
rama doesn't really have a problem with td3 but if you haven't used it very much that could change how you feel about it
bright mango
😦
dire adder
i also am never using -100% healing with 100% more attack
bright mango
really?
dire adder
yeah
solar maple
you kind of need those for 48 heat
mossy zinc
And check the high heat leaderboard for Rama builds and pacts.
dire adder
it suckks
bright mango
Thats like a must for 45+
dire adder
oh
well im not using 100% less healing unless i get demeter healing
bright mango
Demeter doesn't work with that
hoary pasture
Use Stubborn defiance to heal
solar maple
most people here use stubborn defiance
dire adder
ok
gaunt fiber
that won't work 
bright mango
What is the highest heat you have done before this?
hoary pasture
use cursed slash
dire adder
44
hoary pasture
dire adder
trying to jump ahead a tiny bit
bright mango
Why 48 specifically?
hoary pasture
What is the aspect in question
bright mango
rama
bright mango
interesting
hoary pasture
lol
dire adder
nice kermit btw
mossy zinc
I expect you to do 64 after 48, then.
dire adder
big brain stuff u wouldn't understand
neat sonnet
that's right nyaanyaa
dire adder
ok i might but ususually do like 4-8 at a time
dire adder
on the bow the highest ive done without jumping is like 23 XD i like getting ahead bc the game to easy on switch
i godlike with controller
mossy zinc
TD2 AP1...
dire adder
i tried 4 heat on computer and didn't get past asphodel
neat sonnet
what if I just.. jumped to 50 from 32, skip 40
solar maple
most people play on controller for pc as well (I use kbm though)
neat sonnet
I just die I guess
bright mango
TD2 AP1...
its pretty chill with rama tbh
dire adder
i mean kb+m
mossy zinc
So is TD3 AP0 tbh.
bright mango
no
neat sonnet
most people play on controller for pc as well (I use kbm though)
kbm pog
bright mango
TD3 is anti stonks
solar maple
TD2 is a scam
mossy zinc
Until you die.
neat sonnet
td3 is stonks until cp2 js3 5-sack
bright mango
TD2 is a scam
This is what I thought
eternal hare
yeah but if that happens people always blame the sack, not the td3
bright mango
until I was shown the light
mossy zinc
"Causing some chaos."
neat sonnet
yeah I was gonna mention that
mossy zinc
That's not the light side, Pengy787.
bright mango
😦
neat sonnet
he's doing great at it though
mossy zinc
There must be another one.
mossy zinc
There are always two: the master and the student.
wintry berry
TD2 is maximum chill
mossy zinc
You must be the sith lord, NephiOH.
neat sonnet
nah it's chill though
mossy zinc
Oh my god. More siths.
neat sonnet
: )
mossy zinc
They're multiplying.
solar maple
yeah but then you have to take JS3 CP2 instead of just JS2 CP0 or JS1 CP1 (hell mode)
dire adder
thanks for the help with everything
solar maple
miserable
wintry berry
Retrash uses TD2, so it must be good
mossy zinc
Retrash also uses Zag Sword, so your argument is not valid.
gaunt fiber
The absolute pain
solar maple
I mean he mostly uses td3 these days I think
gaunt fiber
F
waxen relic
TD2 is a negative heat modifier therefore wrong chat
solar maple
you have to go back like 5/6 winscreens to find a td2 pact from retrash
and it's a 20:27 zag sword clear at 50 to warm up
mossy zinc
I haven't seen a Retrash pact without TD3 in awhile yeah.
wintry berry
Speaking of Zag sword, he's done a 50 heat in his last stream and got d-edge and +3 dash just to chill from his Eris 55 heat attempts
mossy zinc
Only on certain aspects, I think.
solar maple
yeah he did td2 for chiron 52 heat
but that makes sense
though lots of his recent run are just too high heat to make TD2 feasible
mossy zinc
His times are also much better lately.
halcyon flame
is 40 heat too high to be submitted to the high heat spreadsheet without a recording or is it still good?
gaunt fiber
not really related, but cool to see high heat folks on the sr.com leaderboard
Yeah it's the hall of fame for us to be remembered (kinda) before we die
halcyon flame
i think i have screenshots for all of my 32 clears, thinking of just dumping them all in there at some point
neat sonnet
lmao I'm glad to see the lot of us represent
mossy zinc
Any runs without a screenshot go into the "Victory Screens Only" tab.
halcyon flame
i still haven't gotten around to recording a run
mossy zinc
There's no "too high". If you don't have a recording, your run won't be on the unseeded nor seeded leaderboard.
vital grove
I kinda gave up posting things after a couple
halcyon flame
i have obs installed but i can't find the ability to bother tinkering around with the settings to record it smoothly without the game being unplayable while recording
vital grove
Just didn't seem interesting anymore since I wasn't doing 50+ then
neat sonnet
one day I will have a computer that can record and play at the same time
gaunt fiber
one day I will have a computer that can record and play at the same time
have you tried streaming?
mossy zinc
Enthusiasm for 40-49 Heat submissions died down quite a bit when Tailesque et al. submitted so many 50+ runs, yeah.
neat sonnet
I might, I dunno, maybe that's a summer project
neat sonnet
just assumed that since I need to window my game rather small to play smoothly that it would just be bad
vital grove
Use your phone to record
gaunt fiber
^
neat sonnet
god tier
vital grove
It doesn't have to be amazing it just has to show death and clear
gaunt fiber
the best would be having the item called "little sister" to actually hold the phone so you can play
neat sonnet
idk with a recording that long my wifi might croak trying to upload
but maybe I will try to set up a stream
mossy zinc
Just use your neighbor's wifi. 
neat sonnet
no it's mostly just a problem for my phone, my computer should manage
neat sonnet
yeah see I think my 2018 iMac might not handle it that great
solemn pulsar
the best would be having the item called "little sister" to actually hold the ph...
dammit i sold that item in the last shop i was at
i didn't think i'd need it for any more questlines
solemn pulsar
and my parents are too old, they aren't eligible for the quest that would get me more anymore
gaunt fiber
Was gonna reply that it's kinda hard to get more parents even if they're young
Then I understood
solemn pulsar
spice lava
What did I just read
solemn pulsar
:3
bright mango
quartz mantle
Gamer references
honest kernel
thanks
mossy zinc
I should actually watch one of your runs sometime. I always tell myself I will, but then I never do. 
true fable
honest kernel
its okay I dont watch through your runs either 😅
bronze viper
Bright my Eris 52 run is 2 hours long lmfao
I don't want to edit to remove all the time I spent meming with Astaos
daring hedge
why
daring hedge
bright's just going to deny it immediately after seeing it's 2 hours
it does
and 50 heat
honest kernel
I will consider
eternal hare
what would even be the appropriate RTA time to fill in anyway
bronze viper
Does 2:16:45 break any RTA records
honest kernel
i guess video length idk
bronze viper
If you're going for RTA I assume you'd just calculate it specifically when the run starts in the video
But if you're not, video length is fine, no one cares if you overestimate :3
mossy zinc
Does 2:16:45 break any RTA records
You have no chance of beating Lady Aphrodite's RTA records.
bronze viper
... That's not a good thing in that situation lmfao. 2 hours 16 minutes 45 seconds.
I hope Lady Aphrodite can speedrun faster than that
mossy zinc
She can do whatever she wants, of course. She's perfectly perfect in every way. 💕
true fable
RTA goes from first frame of zag control to first frame of dad death
i usually do it from the first frame of igt appearance until dads name disappears from the healthbar
gaunt fiber
I don't want to edit to remove all the time I spent meming with Astaos
I support that decision
bronze viper
There was a 45 minute pause where all I heard in the recording was furious typing, I think you mentioned Dark Souls or something and I got distracted
Video is rendering now, got it down to 35m
gaunt fiber
unique zephyr
So I am interested in 32 heat Guan Yu since I want to wait to tackle 40 heat fists and sword
any tips? Asking Guan Yu players like @gaunt fiber and @mossy zinc and others in general
and is artemis or aphrodite better on special
gaunt fiber
Artemis has better potential through t2s/charged skewer
Aphrodite is better for like, Tartarus/non charged skewer
unique zephyr
Weak also helps with not dying I assume
unique zephyr
Ah okay. What else should I keep in mind build wise
gaunt fiber
because it's still good damage with skewer and weak is life
unique zephyr
and what are basic mechanics tips
gaunt fiber
Wait you should have watched me weeks ago :D
gaunt fiber
yep
unique zephyr
and also that you very rarely spin
gaunt fiber
exactly
unique zephyr
i wonder what isn't obvious from watching though
spice lava
Hadesprof's run was artemis spin
gaunt fiber
use your cast a lot I'd say? Infernal
unique zephyr
wait why infernal?
gaunt fiber
Yes but a spin build on TD3 is quite the high roll
spice lava
But it's just a proof that it's possible to be played that way, not recommended anyway
gaunt fiber
it's arty + double spin hammer
I almost cleared with that but timed out unfortunately :(
gaunt fiber
wait why infernal?
It's power basically. Having 3 casts at once is really good. Especially flood shot phalanx shot crush shot
gaunt fiber
really helps the early game of the aspect
gaunt fiber
I like to do that but it's mainly because I play at 50 heat range
GY is a melee weapon
It's hybrid
But really melee
if you just special with charged skewer, your dps will not be optimal
But it can work
So for your clear, if you want to be done with it you reset for charged skewer
unique zephyr
is serrated point still okay if I get it and not a special hammer
I am dash striking a lot
(I'm trying my first 32 so far and doing well so far in tartarus)
the special hammers like breaching skewer are actually good right?
I don't want to reset for specific hammers at 32 lol
gaunt fiber
Breaching is really good to deal with BPs and Lernie
Serrated point is really good damage too but a bit risky, should be fine at 32 though
Other than that, Quick and Massive Spin
Be flexible too
Like smoldering air is a good option, zeus call + jolted
You have to deal damage with a bit of everything
With a spin build; you have a lot of good attacks : demeter athena aphrodite artemis
Ares is just good in general to have on the attack, not especially for ME
unique zephyr
And for the basic combo it's never more than two dash strikes right?
I noticed three doesn't work well
I got to Elysium first time
not that bad for a first time
should I pick health more or less highly than normal for GY
or about normal
I have a choice between quick and massive spin
which is better or do they both work? (Chamber 1)
unique zephyr
Oh duh makes sense
how does a spin build work exactly
I haven't seen you do those that often @gaunt fiber
bright mango
and is artemis or aphrodite better on special
arty is better for bossing
Its overkill on most enemies
gaunt fiber
I haven't seen you do those that often <@!238040913715265537>
You did not see me doing it because it requires quick spin and massive spin to deal with TD3 at high high heat
unique zephyr
I find the basic combo much faster yeah
gaunt fiber
Quick spin makes the spin really easy to use : you take the aggro of every enemies in the room, quite them back with full force spins
unique zephyr
but let's say only spin hammers get offered
what boons are good on attack for spin
unique zephyr
is zeus any good or no
gaunt fiber
Arty with spin is the most explosive potential
gaunt fiber
otherwise for safety : Demeter really good, incredible with killing freeze. Athena too because deflect, and aphro classic high damage
Zeus on spin is no
it's a waste
of the base damage
Ares is good because it scales well, it's nice to add some flat damage to a 30 dmg attack
also the dash strike is decent aoe
unique zephyr
For spin should I mostly do mini spins or full spins or mid spins?
I find it hard to make the spin attack actually hit sometimes
gaunt fiber
It really depends on the situation/hammers you have
with quick spin a max spin becomes trivial
And it suppresses the mini spin level
In general mid/full spins
Mini are great in between dps rotation or to stunlock a foe
unique zephyr
is not having the spin miss because enemies move away just a matter of timing and practice
bronze viper
Spins missing is kind of just how it's going to be a lot of the time. It's more of a supplementary damage source
true fable
remember you can bounce em off of walls
honest kernel
Or can keep an enemy in a spin longer.
unique zephyr
remember you can bounce em off of walls
I didn’t know that, this changes a lot
quartz mantle
It'll feel real cool when you bounce a spin off a wall and hit an enemy
and that's the important part
neat sonnet
ok so I'll put this here because I guess it's progress - zeus^2 is cool and fun, not too tricky yet but we'll see when I hit asphodel in a run, I need wayyyy more practice on FO2. you're all really helpful and have let me improve a ton, thanks for making Hades more fun to challenge myself with 
bright mango
Asphodel with zeus is rough
gritty flame
I jumped from 9 heat to 16 and won on the first try... then decided to go crazy and try 32. Died against the bull mini boss in Elysium. Kinda forgot he just KEEPS. SPINNING.
hearty onyx
Asphodel with zeus is rough
Why do things keep jumping around
Stay still so I can kill you
gritty flame
yeah... 32 heat is too much for me. F that.
mossy zinc
Practice.
unique zephyr
yeah... 32 heat is too much for me. F that.
I thought this too like a month ago. Now I’m doing 40 heat
What’s your pact?
There is a lot of freedom in the pact but it’s likely you’re making things harder for yourself than you need to
And dying to Asterius happens a lot at high heat
How do I incorporate spins into my DPS rotation with Guan Yu?
I'm pleasantly surprised by how strong Guan Yu is an aspect
when I first played the game I thought GY was the worst aspect because half HP
but I wasn't trying to push heat then
halcyon flame
for its low hp, guan yu handles 32 heat really well
obviously you just need to keep a distance using charged skewer to kill enemies
mossy zinc
How do I incorporate spins into my DPS rotation with Guan Yu?
You don't.
Spins aren't for DPS.
For DPS, you do Special > Dash-Strike x2 and Cast > Dash-Strike x2.
unique zephyr
Is the cast just for boiling blood?
mossy zinc
It's for single targets mostly. It's faster than your Special.
unique zephyr
it seems most of my damage comes from dash striking, not special
even with charged skewer
not sure if charged skewer changes the rotation or not
mossy zinc
It does change it because the startup of your Special is much faster.
You're not lining up enemies if you don't get much damage from your Special.
I suspect.
unique zephyr
I am, I was more so wondering why cast to 2 dash strikes is better for single targets than the first one
since my special startup is faster for charged skewer how does it change?
the rotation
I'll just do the special into two dash strikes combo for now unless the cast one is particularly important
but is it still 2 dash strikes after even with charged skewer or no
@gaunt fiber How does the DPS rotation change if I have charged skewer
hope you don't mind the ping sorry
mossy zinc
Cast > Dash-Strike x2 is faster than Special > Dash-Strike x2. But when you have Charged Skewer, your Special startup is faster than before, so you can just keep doing that.
And it's as many Dash-Strikes as you need.
unique zephyr
Ah ok, also for charged skewer should most of my specials be uncharged?
I've been fully or close to fully charging a lot
mossy zinc
Just charge as much as you need to to kill things.
unique zephyr
It may seem obvious to you but thanks for teaching me to think in terms of thresholds, it helps me a lot in terms of obols decisions
since the only amount of obols that matters usually is it letting you afford a boon from the shop
mossy zinc
More or less.
unique zephyr
which is also why Convenience Fee affects my decision making a lot for rooms and stuff
mossy zinc
I sometimes enter a shop with only 50 if I only really care for snack or pom sclice anyway.
mossy zinc
Yeah, but boss shop.
mossy zinc
Speedruns, yeah.
halcyon flame
i sometimes enter shops if i really just don't care for the other option
mossy zinc
But it also just generally helps to know what you can afford, so you don't waste time looking at options in shop.
unique zephyr
Yeah I have the prices of things more or less down to my bones now
mossy zinc
Like, before you enter, you should already know what can show up and what you would want to buy.
unique zephyr
I still pause the game in shops to weigh that with the next door rewards in mind
but yeah it's good to have a general idea of what the shop could give you
mossy zinc
Yeah, pausing is fine, but it will generally improve your decision making to think ahead like that.
unique zephyr
I think ahead for boon doors too
like what boon I'd want from that god
my decision making has sped up a lot for what it's worth
like if I have poseidon's call I automatically think of Rip Current and how much I want it vs the other option for example if it's Poseidon boon vs another door
mossy zinc
Also what boon will help you get what you want later on and if taking that core boon that will do more now than this passive boon will actually hurt your build in the long run. Stuff like that.
unique zephyr
I find that my decision making in general improved a lot since starting high heat play and it’s really rewarding to think about the game like this
mossy zinc
Cool.
unique zephyr
If that’s not sarcastic then yeah it is pretty cool
About shadow vs fiery, I really only use fiery for Hestia
Are there other situations where fiery presence is better than shadow presence?
I’m not even sure how much this matters, though
hearty onyx
Well for one, fiery is useless with any DC on
I took it on my GY 40 heat and it worked then
gaunt rivet
Yo real quick what's the easiest pact set up for 32 heat
true fable
hmm
are you okay with LC4 or not
are you okay with FO2 or not
and then are you okay with TD3 or not
and finally what aspect?
unique zephyr
Note that those are all good to practice, I did and was glad I did
LC4 wasn’t that bad for me to get used to and I died a lot and still do with FO2 but it made my 32 pact a lot better overall (no CF)
I’d try to get used to at least one of the three Bright mentioned
Any tips for sword and fists high heat (Poseidon and Demeter)? I haven’t done sword and fists for 40 heat yet
gaunt rivet
I don't know what any of those acronyms mean
unique zephyr
LC: Lasting Consequences
FO: Forced Overtime
TD: Tight Deadline
The number is the number of levels put in that heat factor
gaunt rivet
Also probably chiron ascept
unique zephyr
Lasting Consequences 4 means you have to get really good at boss fights because you need stubborn defiance to heal, and know that once you have an Athena core boon that isn’t her call, you should try to lose your SD (easy in asphodel, the eggs in Elysium too) before picking up the Athena boon and roll for an Athena DD (it says it replenishes a stubborn defiance)
I found LC4 the easiest to get used to of those three
true fable
@gaunt rivet all the acronyms should be pinned in this channel
unique zephyr
Feel free to correct me if my explanations are wrong or incomplete bright, just sharing my experiences learning them
Since I’m using all 3 now and wasn’t familiar with any of them before doing 32
true fable
it's fine ish
i'm uploading a mild pact
this should be fine-sih
if youre ok with LC4 but not with FO2 or TD3
mossy zinc
Any tips for sword and fists high heat (Poseidon and Demeter)? I haven’t done sw...
Don't get hit.
unique zephyr
That’s the issue though
true fable
weave in and out
unique zephyr
No range to avoid getting hit with
unique zephyr
With sword dash striking seems dangerous but optimal
Timing meaning timing empty dashes?
I have trouble with Lernie with HS
The lava limits my positioning a lot
mossy zinc
About shadow vs fiery, I really only use fiery for Hestia
I use Fiery Presence on err.. all the rails, all the bows but Chiron, Guan Yu, and all the shields.
true fable
meaning figuring out when you can attack and when you cant
fiery on rama is a bit strange isnt it
but otherwise completely agreed
mossy zinc
Oh yeah. Shadow on Rama.
true fable
i use it on nem/zag/poseidon sword because i HATE witches
but shadow is probably correct
mossy zinc
There's an argument for Shadow Presence on Hera for Parting Shot, but I don't think Parting Shot matters enough to hurt any other build. But it's not bad at all.
Rail attack damage is essentially meaningless, getting some big first hits with your Special and Fiery Presence is very nice.
gaunt rivet
I have come up with a horrible idea of my own
EM4
Calisthenics 2
BP2
MM
Max routine inspection
And AP2
true fable
Rail attack damage is essentially meaningless, getting some big first hits with ...
to add onto this rail special cant backstab anyway so
unique zephyr
I have come up with a horrible idea of my own
EM4
Calisthenics 2
BP2
MM
Max ro...
This sounds like one of the hardest pacts imaginable for 32 heat for me
mossy zinc
Rocket Bomb can, pretty sure. But that's one hammer.
gaunt rivet
Probably is but it would be funny
unique zephyr
Do an easier pact before torturing yourself like this imo
mossy zinc
Like 90%?
true fable
because if so there might be an argument for shadow tbh
gaunt rivet
I mean i technically already did a 32 heat run but it was with god mode
unique zephyr
How did you find that
mossy zinc
I don't even know who you're asking what.
unique zephyr
I’m asking 3DS_Bacon how they found using God Mode 32 and what they found easy and difficult
gaunt rivet
Oh i just put on some overtime after i got to certain damage reduction
Also I'm already on 1 hp because of chaos curse
unique zephyr
I beat 32 heat guan yu! Barely, but still
this is the result of procrastinating on 40 heat melee weapons 😛
Astaos's streams and tips helped a lot
It only took me 4 tries 🙂
hearty onyx
Now try 40 heat
mossy zinc
@unique zephyr 32 mirrorless Zag Bow sounds like pain compared to Guan Yu.