i have woken up every day for the past week thinking i was going to try to beat 50 gilga
#h1-high-heat-strategies
true fable
gaunt fiber
Elaborate
true fable
then giving up after 2 hours of tart deaths
unique zephyr
How is it different from other fists to make it worse than other fists
halcyon flame
different
gaunt fiber
I love maim
unique zephyr
When an aspect is so bad that not even +2 dashes can save it
halcyon flame
I love maim
yeah, helps with resetting faster
gaunt fiber
Because it's big damage
I like the fury fight
with maim
the idea is very cool
It's risky and not worth the reward
but still
unique zephyr
It's risky and not worth the reward
Gilga is what new players think guan yu is in that regard
(Including me before I discovered this channel)
gaunt fiber
Well
solar maple
they aren't wrong
gaunt fiber
It's about true about GY tbh
true fable
guan yu is difficult to master
and difficult to learn
with a lot of payoff if you learn it
gaunt fiber
Agreed
solar maple
it does not live in mine
unique zephyr
Zag bow rhythm is gratifying
halcyon flame
guan yu good
solar maple
halcyon flame
spammy from like 2 months ago was an idiot for calling it "zeus but worse"
unique zephyr
I wish I had 400 hours in this game
Chronic pain limits it right now
I have just over 300 right now
I improved a lot in the last 50-100 hours of playing
halcyon flame
somehow i just instantly went to sub 12 all weapons in like the last 20 hours of playing
true fable
feel that bacchus
hang in there
hades kind of helps with mine but it's rough you cant do much
fwiw it's been cool to see you improve over the past month
unique zephyr
fwiw it's been cool to see you improve over the past month
I’m glad! For what it’s worth hades helps my sanity lol
Most of the time
true fable
until you get 5 sacked on zagreus the sword
unique zephyr
I tried AP1 for 40 fists and had zeus attack crossed out three times, two of those times were rerolls
Since I can avoid AP1 at 40 I will lol
true fable
cest la vie
unique zephyr
US schools do a really bad job at teaching French
At least my 6 years of French education in middle and high school was done badly
I am also more of a math person
unique zephyr
Nah the first one
gaunt fiber
pronounced SAY LA VEE
This one
true fable
i like the second one better
gaunt fiber
Well go for the second one
true fable
thank you 🙂
unique zephyr
I like the first one but that’s because I’ve been taught that one was right
waxen relic
Can I go for CHEST LA WIE ?
true fable
ooo i like that one
waxen relic
I learned Latin instead of french
true fable
almost as much as astoas
gaunt fiber
Lunch
true fable
can you eat faster
gaunt fiber
Yes
true fable
and then go live
gaunt fiber
I speed up
true fable
ok i can stay awake another hour 
gaunt fiber
Poggies
true fable
im waiting 
gaunt fiber
Ok brb tryharding food
gaunt fiber
If I choke so be it
hoary pasture
50 Arthur gaming?
unique zephyr
50 heat players what heat do you find reasonably challenging but fun and kinda chill now
eager vortex
okay it's confirmed impossible for me to finish 50 with a sword
true fable
45
eager vortex
unless I cheese it
hoary pasture
lol
eager vortex
50 is either crap build or unfair dad
unique zephyr
EM4 is the first time I’m glad instead of insulted that a final boss holds back normally
The Titans didn’t stand a chance against him
eager vortex
you need to spend your life on getting good at em4 at 50
either that or you luck out and have an insane build
cheese the crap out of him
hoary pasture
Chiron flashbacks
eager vortex
he deserved every bit of it
that fight is bs
people rather go em3 ri2 ap1 and have a frustrating run with a bad build
unique zephyr
Meanwhile retrash beats him with a stick
gaunt fiber
I like big numbers
eager vortex
instead of facing that stupid fight
gaunt fiber
45 is good too
unique zephyr
people rather go em3 ri2 ap1 and have a frustrating run with a bad build
You mean EM3?
unique zephyr
Ah ok
The main thing preventing me from learning EM4 is physical issues honestly
You have to concentrate mentally for a long time
unique zephyr
All of my runs are segmented
bright mango
Especially em4
bright mango
With em4
true fable
what the actual hell lmao
hoary pasture
yea
hoary pasture
real gamer
unique zephyr
How do people even do EM4 + TD3
true fable
oh
eager vortex
it's in victory screens, just gotta scroll up a lil
unique zephyr
EM4 feels like adding an extra biome
eager vortex
of course
true fable
holy lord
bright mango
You normally want 4 min on the timer @unique zephyr
hoary pasture
Painkakke gets all the busted builds smh
true fable
you are an artiste
hoary pasture
at 50
eager vortex
I could use that build for sword 50 but I don't want to cheese the game again
me is easy
bright mango
DC2 on gilga sounds fun
unique zephyr
“Fun”
bright mango
Although I don’t think you can avoid it unless you max CP
ashen garnet
It still is, since you don't run AP2 and that T2 status effects seem to have improved probabilities to show. I was thinking more about improving bossing damage (which you can also proc with the help of the cast) than regular encounters
solar maple
I like 45 -- You get AP1 RI0 EM3, and a reasonable timer to beat
mossy zinc
Just do RI4. It lets you avoid a lot of things.
unique zephyr
Like winning
waxen relic
whether you die or you die, where's the difference?
gaunt fiber
a cutscene
unique zephyr
Sometimes you die after beating dad
bright mango
45 is quite a lot of fun
mossy zinc
Just don't get hit.
unique zephyr
That’s the real prize
hoary pasture
Can you kill yourself with hazard bomb after you beat dad
bright mango
It gives me a lot of satisfaction when I win
unique zephyr
Is the difference between 40 and 45 mainly more JS and AP1
I think I’d need to add CP as well
unique zephyr
I need to make my room clears much better
gaunt fiber
@unique zephyr ping
unique zephyr
Is retrash’s 45 heat streak the highest heat streaked
gaunt fiber
@true fable pong
bright mango
true fable
probably bacchus
though tailesque said hes gonna be doing some rama streaks soon i think
waxen relic
Is retrash’s 45 heat streak the highest heat streaked
I know that Tailesque streaked his 50s as he was speedrunning it with Rama, but that's Rama-only
true fable
or 55 heat hades spear
bright mango
Bright how many more aspects for 24 x 50 left?
neat sonnet
that's insanity
bright mango
@true fable
bright mango
Ikr
I time out constantly if I don’t get good enemies or one free room
On JS2
Which is why I’m now a TD2 gamer
bright mango
Are you doing em4?
bright mango
Oh ok
bright mango
I think once you learn lernies attack patterns, it shouldn’t be too hard
eager vortex
game really wants me to use em4 + merciful end
basically forcing me to at dis point
bright mango
Em4 is probably necessary for ME
eager vortex
it is
bright mango
CF0 RI0
eager vortex
me is already hard to get
okay not that hard to get
but hard to utilize cuz u need that sweet dd
all in all, you need 4 boons
bright mango
Bright?
true fable
yes lol
it was pain
your odd are 3/4 on any given athena assuming you fill core boons
its pretty solid
solemn pulsar
Is that AP1 odds?
halcyon flame
blue horn lernie 🤢 🤮
spice lava
About melee weapons I'd say
eager vortex
"hmm, if this dude headbashes with fo2, melee weaps won't have the time to dash since it has no indication and takes 0.1 miliseconds"
was never said
mossy zinc
Lernie head slams are reactable for me.
halcyon flame
okay miss sub 9 all aspects
oh and anyways i just got around to 32 heat poseidon sword
only 🤢 zagreus 🤮 and that's stygius all 4 aspects at 32 heat
solar maple
I agree with nya. Lernie gets you by running you out of space, not so much with unreactable attacks
quartz mantle
Red projectiles on red ground
solar maple
yeah those are rough to dodge sometimes
quartz mantle
It's mainly the headbashes with the falling projectiles that I just can't tell where they are so I just have to run away to be safe
solar maple
also keep in mind that the sub heads all have very predictable patterns
halcyon flame
there's a lot of screen clutter for the falling stuff so it's hard to even see
mossy zinc
It's a lot about awareness: positioning, head types, what they did last, where they'll move if you go here or here, how many dashes you need to get here or there, whether you can react in time to anything if you use up all your dashes now.
solar maple
I find usually when I get hit in the lernie fight it's because I dashed to dodge one head straight into another
mossy zinc
All of that kind stuff that just comes with a lot of practice and experience.
quartz mantle
My biggest priority with fighting lernie is just clearing up at least a little bit of space at the start so I have a safe area to retreat to if I need it
mossy zinc
Depends on what heads there are and where, but yeah, that helps a lot.
eager vortex
well not everyone has amazing reflexes
mossy zinc
I often clear space by e.g. baiting two heads to one spot.
eager vortex
and yes the whole fight is just hard to see
way, way too much happening
all the heads doing their own things
mossy zinc
I don't think it's reactions, you're not looking for the head slams because you're looking for other things. If you're looking for the head slam, it's not very hard to react to. So getting better at those other things will help with that.
eager vortex
and pray for it if the blue main head spawns more blue heads
halcyon flame
mini-blue heads are very manageable
mossy zinc
I complained about head slams many many many many times before. 
halcyon flame
just get close and dash away for their slam
mossy zinc
Just at this point they're not much of an issue for me anymore.
halcyon flame
actually now that i mention that
mossy zinc
Not saying I never get hit.
bright mango
just pay attention to blue and purple heads
halcyon flame
blue-horn lernie basically has the same patterns
bright mango
They are the ones that matter
eager vortex
and for some reason sword is the only weapon at high heat I have problems with at lernie
other weapons are just fine
fists a bit, but not much
halcyon flame
purple heads are annoying but easy to deal with since you can just instantly kill them after they fire at you
wintry berry
I don't stand near a head spawn, just in case there's a blue head doing instant head bang
halcyon flame
actually they're not even that annoying
wintry berry
Having big damage helps having safe spots
mossy zinc
Here's a tip: if you get close to bait them into a head slam, then i-frame it, it's not gonna do another head slam for a bit.
They're gonna do head slams either way. Much better if they do them on your terms than if they do them on their own terms when you try to dash away from something else.
halcyon flame
when i do 32 heat zagius i'm gonna record it so everyone can watch me do crush shot and somehow win
solar maple
yeah if you are within range, all the sub heads alternate between the bite and their special attack
solar maple
drunken strike 👀
wintry berry
World Splitter to roleplay Arthur lite
mossy zinc
what are some legitimately good builds for zagius?
that isn't dedge
or ME
quartz mantle
Retrash is retrash
halcyon flame
Retrash has proved that
he had ap2 on
bright mango
its still good
halcyon flame
> what are some legitimately good builds for zagius?
> that isn't dedge
> or ME
...
FINE i'll do merciful end smh
mossy zinc
Here's a legitimately good build: get a rare or epic Cast damage from Master Chaos in Tartarus, then do any Cast build you want.
Budget Poseidon.
mossy zinc
Hence get a rare or epic Shot from Master Chaos.
I mean, you could also do Crystal Clarity and just run lol.
Or Hunting Blades.
halcyon flame
eager vortex
swear I'm having more probs with lernie than theseus atm
bronze viper
The real upside of Aphrodite start with RI0 AP0 is Smoldering Air
And therefore not needing Charged Skewer
- Weak
If you get Charged Skewer, you're going to get a lot more mileage out of Deadly + Hunter's Mark for rooms.
mossy zinc
I don't agree with God's Pride over God's Legacy.
I do agree with Heartbreak Flourish over Deadly Flourish.
Both are very good, anyway.
eager vortex
finally did it lol
halcyon flame
i told you it was a bad guide
mossy zinc
I've seen worse.
halcyon flame
flashbacks to lili's rama guide
eager vortex
lol lernie can hit you still
while it's phasing and invul
11/10
anyone with a working build for 50 heat spear ?
em3, preferably
none of my go-to builds seem to work
iunno why
I actually know why, I can't get my go-to builds cuz of stupid RI
solemn pulsar
exploding launcher hades spear Pog
solemn pulsar
i seeded it and cleared hades 50
you have a 3/8 chance to see charged second hammer (assuming AP0, 1/4 for AP1)
and then you're schmoovin
eager vortex
I'm going ap1 ri2
solemn pulsar
the first reset will be rough
solemn pulsar
if you're ok seeding do that
if not it's 2/11 for AP1 exploding first hammer
since charged first is stinky
solemn pulsar
it is not guaranteed in tart
but if you haven't seen it and you have a 2 exit chamber 12
it's almost always the "free" reward offered instead of shop
solemn pulsar
it's definitely hard to miss
but it can be offered against a final midboss, or a shop, or sisyphus, or chaos or something
it also shows up in the shops a lot
if you haven't seen it
but CF pacts make it hard, since it's 200 base cost
eager vortex
it's 360 gold with cf2
I may just seed it and try it out
so I spin attack the enemies then spam exp. launcher ?
bright mango
I think optimal way to do 50 spear is achilles flurry
solar maple
you see hammer less with RI
solemn pulsar
boiling blood also useful
solar maple
but usually still in tart
solemn pulsar
idk pseudo olympian favor is now the move
solar maple
solemn pulsar
were you witness
eager vortex
spear is my only weap left with no 50
and I hate to admit that
it's proving to be even harder than sword
solemn pulsar
i'll admit i got some terrific RNG on my exploding launcher run
but it wasn't all that bad
mossy zinc
I don't know if I'd want to witness anything like that.
bright mango
Painakke I think this is the fastest someone is going to do 6x50
solemn pulsar
well my 3 weps PB is now 3x olympian favor
bright mango
Well there was some pause, but then you got all of them really quickly
*almost all of them
mossy zinc
@solemn pulsar I told Lady Aphrodite about the mod you made, and she begged me to stream it when I try it out. 💕
solemn pulsar
<@!334853357871169536> I told Lady Aphrodite about the mod you made, and she beg...
glad to hear it (pls test at least 1 full run and make sure it doesn't break though lol)
bright mango
You have also gotten pretty nutty builds
eager vortex
and I've been trying to do the sword all day today lol I spent my day for this
oh right chiron
well everyone knows how that went
bright mango
Gilga build was also insane
bright mango
Pooooog
bright mango
solar maple
because he has ap2 lol
solemn pulsar
probably because it's RI2 AP2
solar maple
ap2 RI2 is also hard
solemn pulsar
it's only hard if your luck is bad
gaunt fiber
AP2 is a state of mind
eager vortex
good job astaos
gaunt fiber
thanks!
bright mango
the amount of duos this man gets on AP2 is not okay
eager vortex
that stubborn roots on my 50 nemesis
I wasn't even trying to get it
just happens sometimes
bright mango
AP2
eager vortex
ap1 and ap2 are the same thing
ap1 blocks your most wanted boon anyway
so ap2 just ends up blocking something else
big brain moment
solar maple
roots is definitely not what makes that a good nemesis build lol
it's dedge + hyper delivery + attack chaos
gaunt fiber
I got roots today
eager vortex
yeah
bright mango
it's dedge + hyper delivery + attack chaos
^
gaunt fiber
It could not fight the timer damage unfortunately
eager vortex
I wanted heart rend but
I gotta face the fact that
I am not always gonna get heart rend
every single run
I'd normally reset
but demeter attack is actually okay
bright mango
plz give me the code to your builds
eager vortex
heart rend is also nowhere as good as on sword as it's on chiron because with chiron you can consistently keep bosses on weak status
without extra effort
solar maple
eh not really true with aphro special nem
you use special quite a lot
or aphro dash
eager vortex
well yea I guess
oh no I'm not using aphro dash just for that
but for example, with arthur
solar maple
well sometimes you just get aphro dash
eager vortex
applying weak with your special is harder
solar maple
cast works fine for bosses
and HR is pretty overkill outside of boss fights anyway
also HR with just arty attack as the only crit is overrated I think
eager vortex
if I weren't such a spook
I'd go artemis dash on that build but
I need my dd
besides I didn't get one single arte boon
neat sonnet
how would arty atk divine dash deadly reversal compare to that
compared to heart rend garbage
( garbage meaning shenanigans)
eager vortex
I think deadly reversal is good on arthur
gaunt fiber
I much prefer heartbreak strike over deadly strike on Arthur
neat sonnet
cause damage taken is more a concern?
gaunt fiber
Well the weak is super good for sure
neat sonnet
also just multiplier go brr
gaunt fiber
But the variance is just too much with such a slow weapon
neat sonnet
that makes sense
gaunt fiber
Especially because it does not scale super well with Hunter's Mark compared to Guan Yu for example
And yeah, weak + holy ground at high heat is super nice
So I'd rather have a strong reliable attack that kills enemies in a combo rather than better boss damage
Like deadly strike in elysium alone is soooooo sad
neat sonnet
mm I see that
gaunt fiber
Imagine having to 3 hits a splitter
neat sonnet
like you just don't know when you chunk for 1k
eager vortex
deadly strike needs to be supported with chaos boons
neat sonnet
ugh
eager vortex
yep
neat sonnet
makes sense
neat sonnet
acts as pseudo-attack boon
gaunt fiber
I would not say it's bad still, but it does not really work alone
neat sonnet
right
gaunt fiber
And if you don't crit you're just depressed
eager vortex
if you don't crit it's the worst attack boon
gaunt fiber
tempest strike poggies
eager vortex
if you crit tho it's the best
(generally speaking)
zeus attack is great too
I don't like tempest strike lol
except on luci
I'll be changing some builds on my spreadsheet
for example I don't think hr is good on achilles anymore
too much effort to apply weak with the special
gaunt fiber
Yeah you'd rather go for the aoe with zeus
and deadly strike + the bonus from Achilles is enough
solar maple
smoldering > heart rend at high heat almost always
devout quiver
smoldering air + bey blade call 
eager vortex
you're pretty lucky with ap2
devout quiver
AP just seems so antifun.
eager vortex
it's the archnemesis of fun
at least don't show the blocked boons right
but no, game wants to show them all to make you feel miserable
bright mango
nice toffel!
honest kernel
tzanks
quartz mantle
Hording Slash op
honest kernel
I tried to win with nem afterwards and no luck tho
sword really feels like the "worst weapon" to me
devout quiver
but no, game wants to show them all to make you feel miserable
Idk, the appeal of roguelites/likes, to me at least, is interesting decision making.
which AP removes a large portion of
honest kernel
poseidon only works for me bc its cast and arthur plays differently so im okay with it
honest kernel
but nem and zag sword are miserable dmg
quartz mantle
I used to enjoy nem a lot until I went past like 20 heat
actually I think I played it for 32
honest kernel
do you think heart rend or reversal is better for nem
quartz mantle
I've always gone with heat rend personally
Cause you have the innate 30% crit chance
eager vortex
hr is better for nemesis
solar maple
HR is good damage on nemesis yes
eager vortex
I think
honest kernel
I went with athena because I like saftey but im gonna go hr next time I try thx
solar maple
at high heat you take what you get though
eager vortex
then again sword is just awful 40+
honest kernel
40 I can still get away with ap0 and ri0 so its fine
honest kernel
oh yeah i actually saw lightning phax on my poseidon run but I chose athena dd over it
seemed better for bosses to me
hades esp
then i didnt get it offered anymore 🥴
quartz mantle
Did you not have an empty slot for it
cause on the screenshot I only see one slot for a dd
honest kernel
because I lost it before hades
at the elyium boss
I was such a genuis to take cast curse on chaos
because it was a +1 cast boon tho
quartz mantle
Oh so the empty slot disappears after an encounter
gaunt fiber
Athena is a correct choice until AP2 though
honest kernel
extra live is too juicy too pass up tbh
north dove
Posted the 57 heat zag sword vid on the heat spreadsheet for those interested
eternal hare
lv5 drunken strike dedge actually looks pretty fun to play
north dove
yeah, sword hammers stinky
north dove
thanks!
gaunt fiber
I'm just a bit sad you could not play Zag as you like
north dove
well I did get dash nova in elysium so hopefully that made up for it
bright mango
Watching you play dash nova to its full potential in the em4 fight was 
eternal hare
the >100 damage hangover ticks too
gaunt fiber
well I did get dash nova in elysium so hopefully that made up for it
I'll watch the run!
bright mango
The em4 fight was perfection
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/831934820924915742/unk...
Congratulations! 💕
mossy zinc
do you think heart rend or reversal is better for nem
Heart Rend, definitely.
Nemesis's saving grace is its high DPS. You want to ideally get your DPS so high that you won't have to deal with anything because enemies just die.
honest kernel
thanks
unique zephyr
I think I’ll cheese fists 40 by high rolling for ME
I know zeus attack is good enough but I’m not
bright mango
Why must tailesque strim when I’m about to go to sleep
unique zephyr
How do you be fast with zeus shield? I have no idea how to use it
devout quiver
try getting good at 'walking the dog' with it.
I just did that w/ skelly in the court yard until i killed him with a few times and it helped some, i think
tho i'm not zooz shield master or anything
honest kernel
It's not a simple question to answer. Depends on how fast you want to be, What you already know about the base shield, and how confident you are in what's basically dual-weilding
But getting a few runs in will help a ton already
bright mango
I don't think you should let your shield be out too much Appa
keep throwing it and recalling it
honest kernel
I only let it out if I think it's gonna hit a ton of enemies
Otherwise ? Short-range yo-yo
bright mango
I throw it out when I'm at 1 health and there are 10 bowmen hiding in a corner
I just let the spinny thing do the work
unique zephyr
It's not a *simple* question to answer. Depends on how fast you want to be, What...
I am not really experienced with shield mechanics, I have trouble using the special, especially since you can’t hunker down behind shield and use special at the same time apparently
honest kernel
Oh you absolutely can
Special first, then attack or dash-attack and hold
You can recall while holding the block too
The caveat is that you can't block forever and expect a free win with the special, but you can still somewhat cheese it
But a general idea of what I do is dash-strike into enemies -> special -> recall after at max a second
You can replace the dash-strike with a bullrush if you want to approach in a safer manner
Regular attacks pushes enemies. You can slam enemies into walls, or push enemies after the dash-strike -> special maneuver to get them "stuck" in the special longer
Trying to play with the special close to you, by recalling a ton, is going to be more reliable then going for long-range stuff
People expect Zeus Shield to be played at range, but the special just travels way too slowly to allow for that to be as effective. You outwalk it lmao
It's a melee weapon, pure and simple
unique zephyr
I’ve been using it all wrong, I’ve been using it ranged
honest kernel
Baj, how do you feel about Pulverizing Blow on Zeus?
Good damage boost. Means regular attacks don't push anymore. When I use it, I go around enemies instead
Almost in a circle-like pattern
Kinda circle strafing, yeah.
Yeah
Second best hammer for Merciful End builds too
With my best hammer being Explosive Return
unique zephyr
Oh yeah I don’t know any shield hammers or how good they are
bright mango
Explosive return for high heat
unique zephyr
All I know is charged shot very good
bright mango
Is defintiely the best
honest kernel
Charged Shot is very powerful but risky
bright mango
I literally cannot function with charged shot on zeus
I can't manage my special at all
I get too focused on bonking people
honest kernel
I literally cannot function with charged shot on zeus
Straight Lines. Charged Shot does about the same knockback uncharged as a regular attack
devout quiver
I don't think you should let your shield be out too much Appa
Yeah, I never kept it out that long in the couple runs of zooz I've done, but it was a nice exercise in controlling it
quartz mantle
I cannot function with charged shot at all
it messes up my shield playstyle too much
honest kernel
Dash-strike -> Special -> Attack -> Charged Shot is how I do it
bright mango
My zeus playstyle also revolves around bullrushing back and forth while recalling and throwing out my shield
quartz mantle
Yea same
unique zephyr
I have trouble with the dual wielding
honest kernel
With Charged Shot, I simply Dash-strike over, do a quick 180 turn and get the shot in
unique zephyr
What other hammers on shield are good vs bad
honest kernel
Sudden Rush is a pretty safe hammer
bright mango
none are really "bad"
honest kernel
^
bright mango
Like they brick your run
honest kernel
If they aren't good, they'll simply be mediocre damage boosts
bright mango
^
honest kernel
Charged Shot, Explosive Return, Pulverizing Blow, Sudden Rush are the good hammers
Rest are mediocre
bright mango
actually wait charged shot will brick your run at high heat imo
honest kernel
It can, if you are on 1-dash
But on 2-dash, it's fine
Didn't you use Charged Shot for your 63 clear?
Or 64, I don't remember if it was Hell or not.
64 heat* and no
Used Explosive Return + Sudden Rush
bright mango
they went the hyper delivery route
honest kernel
Gotcha.
bright mango
So charged vs em4 RI4 is like suicide
honest kernel
I've nearly done it a few times
on RI3
It's so darn stressful
You have to block a lot
bright mango
well I don't think anyone is even remotely close to being as good on zeus shield as you
honest kernel
True
bright mango
honest kernel
Actually I saw Phantom's 56 heat clear in the spreadsheet
They are getting there
Still playing safer then they should, but hey
High heat is scary
bright mango
tbh my goal was really to get 50 shield so I'm sorry Baj but no more zoos 50 attempts
honest kernel
It's cool
quartz mantle
Wasn't having a lot of luck with Achiles doing 40 heat somehow so I tried Guan Yu and made it to Hades first try with a super Aphrodite™️ build but choked because I'm bad, now I'm on my 5th run after and haven't made it out of tartarus since
Is this the real high heat experience™️?
In other news Aphro attack is really good on GY cause if you get Unhealthy Fixation you can spin to get hella charms
honest kernel
Ooh, new technology.
distant cradle
Whatsa. Good 32 heat setup
For beo or demeter
I tried out beo in what I thought would work and it failed badly
unique zephyr
So here was my pact for beo 32, not guaranteed to be optimal, requires you to be used to TD3 and FO2:
HL1
LC4
EM3
BP2
MM
UC
FO2
TD3
If you have any questions ask and me or someone much better than me will answer
I used this pact for pretty much all my 32 clears so this is kinda generic
If you are comfortable with EM4 you can modify accordingly, apparently shields do better against EM4 compared to other aspects
If you aren’t used to LC4 and stubborn defiance it’s honestly very worth getting used to
I used something else for Demeter fists actually (EM2 instead of EM3), lemme find it
Fists 32:
HL2
LC4
EM2
BP2
MM
UC
FO2
DC2
TD3
I couldn’t handle EM3 + FO2 with fists so I changed it above
Hope this helps, my pacts aren’t gospel or anything feel free to experiment
unique zephyr
I tried out beo in what I thought would work and it failed badly
What was your pact? It would be nice to know what you struggled with, also some pacts combine in really nasty and unexpected ways
distant cradle
Where can I send a pic of it?
unique zephyr
Not here that I know of
I’m not sure why
You can DM me
And I can post the pact by text here
distant cradle
Oki
unique zephyr
I didn’t get the dm
The abbreviations are pinned so you can post the abbreviations like I did
distant cradle
Sending rn
unique zephyr
Ok so you have:
HL5
LC1
CF2
JS3
CP1
BP1
MM
UC
FO2
AP1
This pact is very difficult because it’s easy to underestimate jury summons and calisthenics program, it has conditions I wouldn’t take at 40
Also convenience fee hurts Beo a lot
Beo really wants boons
For this reason it also hates approval process
What is your average clear time range
Even tight deadline 2 would be good to get used to
TD1 is 36 minutes total, TD2 is 28 minutes total, TD3 is 20 minutes total
With TD0 you’re putting so much heat on the table and your run becomes unnecessarily hard
Calisthenics Program actually kills you and is bad even at 40 heat because boss fights take so much longer and also regular enemies barely miss being one shot or two shot or other thresholds
Jury Summons makes regular rooms way more dangerous especially with benefits package, I run BP2 in high heat but the combinations are brutal
Hope this makes sense
unique zephyr
Max Lasting Consequences requires you to get used to stubborn defiance
distant cradle
So maybe do td2 and 1 calisthenics
unique zephyr
Which is a bit of a learning curve (you kill yourself when under 30% HP)
distant cradle
And no jury
unique zephyr
No CP
distant cradle
Ok
unique zephyr
Jury summons > calisthenics program
unique zephyr
Not maxed out damage
Lemme look real quick
Can you do two levels of benefits package
BP1 is 2 heat and BP2 is 5 total
It adds 3 heat
If you can do BP2 I have a pact you could try
That uses TD2
unique zephyr
It makes armored enemies have two perks instead of one, some combinations are really nasty
distant cradle
Hmm
unique zephyr
But there aren’t great places to put the 3 heat otherwise
unique zephyr
Savior is super annoying
unique zephyr
Yeah, savior is just a necessary evil at 32 heat though
distant cradle
Oki
unique zephyr
Here is something, you can tweak hard labor for jury summons, I’m not used to TD2 pacts, I assume JS2 will be okay because Beo had AOE but if you have timer problems you can reduce jury summons and increase hard labor
distant cradle
Ok
unique zephyr
HL2 (can be increased if you reduce jury summons)
LC4
JS2 (this one I’m not sure about, could be dangerous on timer)
EM3
BP2
MM
UC
FO2
TD2
unique zephyr
Yes
distant cradle
Ok
unique zephyr
Your boss fights have to be cleaner but normal rooms you can be more aggressive in
distant cradle
Oki
unique zephyr
Note that this does make a lot of boons pretty useless
distant cradle
?
distant cradle
Ahh ok
unique zephyr
But a good thing to know is that if you have any Athena core boon other than call (attack, special, dash, usually dash), if you lost your SD in an Athena boon room you can get an extra defiance from her boons that give one
distant cradle
Ooh ok
unique zephyr
It’s a one time extra but it’s very useful and gives 50% instead of 30% health back
unique zephyr
I should sleep now, but I used Poseidon beo
distant cradle
And arty with tidal or athena dasj
unique zephyr
Flood flare
unique zephyr
You can tag pseudo tomorrow, he’s the beo expert
And can probably give you a better TD2 pact but he does prefer TD3 a lot
unique zephyr
If you had JS or CP it’s no surprise
They add so much time
TD3 is fun but very hard for me
unique zephyr
I was around that range before I started doing TD3 now I’m 17-18 mins on my clears usually
distant cradle
Dang nice
mossy zinc
It also does nothing at all in most runs most of the time.
mossy zinc
Don't step on traps?
mossy zinc
EM4 only exists to give shield players 4 free Heat.
honest kernel
does any1 know why dash strike with the sword sometimes turns into normal swing
I never feel like I input it differently when it doesthat
mossy zinc
If you do a normal Attack and then dash, it continues with the normal 3-hit attack combo.
Same as Excalibur.
mossy zinc
Cast to reset. 
honest kernel
sword is designed to be bad I swear
mossy zinc
Yeah, I dunno why they never buffed the normal Attack.
eager vortex
another official thing
I can't kill lernie anymore
it's like I forgot how to play
(50h)
spice lava
They never did to test Retrash might 👀
mossy zinc
Maybe you never did and just got carried by RNG. Can't rule that out.
I should work as a motivational coach.
eager vortex
spice lava
Who ruined the mood of who?
kindred panther
finally cleared nemesis 32. That was the hardest aspect for sure so far
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
kindred panther
thx
mossy zinc
Painkakke ruined the mood of everyone. Painkakke is evil.
And bad at Lernie.
@eager vortex have you tried Acorn for Asphodel?
kindred panther
only have talos and hades left now
eager vortex
<@!216628558469136385> have you tried Acorn for Asphodel?
that works but I don't wanna do it
on a side note
mossy zinc
I did that a lot with Guan Yu until I was more comfortable in the fight.
eager vortex
I used to have problem with alecto on high heats
now I am killing her no problems
things have turned opposite
mossy zinc
Nice nice.
I still think she is the easiest. I have no idea how people have a harder time with Alecto than with Meg.
All of Meg's attacks are better versions of Alecto's attacks, pretty much.
mossy zinc
I have young eyes? How would you know that?
shy plinth
If I recall you are still in school
I would assume the eyes are the same age as the rest of you
mossy zinc
There are schools for adults, you know.
eager vortex
it's like this 4 me
shy plinth
That is true
eager vortex
alecto > tisi > meg
tho I feel like they are all the same now
I got gud
at that fight
in sacrifice of sucking at lernie the ugly snake lord
mossy zinc
Alecto > Tis > Meg, in order of who I wanna see.
eager vortex
and I know exactly why I'm sucking there too
so I know what not to do
I also got very used to theseus fight, I learned how to counter overpowered aste rush
it works ... most of the time
I'ma use aphro attack instead of artemis, lets see
just killed tisi without getting hit
naisu
sad moment
mossy zinc
Purge Divine Dash.
mossy zinc
Heretic. 
eager vortex
okay just made lernie feel sorry he ever messed with me
got hit once only
aphro is truly superior
honest kernel
I died to hades on nem again f
eager vortex
40 heat ?
honest kernel
yeah
eager vortex
well that's very normal dw
eager vortex
iunno about that but sword is just hard
eager vortex
yep
hoary pasture
eager vortex
ez
however zeus call doesn't make that much sense to me on chiron because you gotta have some range for all the specials to hit the target
unless
that isn't chiron
yep it isn't
eager vortex
happens to the best of us
hoary pasture
HS at its finest
halcyon flame
32 heat zagius was surprisingly easy despite me playing exactly like nem
which normally would quite possible get me killed but i didn't even lose any health to hades
halcyon flame
goddamnit i said i was gonna record it and i forgot to
kindred panther
Just cleared all the aspects on 32 heat!! Woo woot!
gaunt fiber
be careful there are shades in there
halcyon flame
damn i guess spin-2-win really does work for spear
mossy zinc
I've actually ended it
You won?
eager vortex
yas
neat sonnet
Man y’all never cease to inspire me to play and be better at the game
Wish I didn’t have exams coming up
halcyon flame
i think i'll go for zag rail with spread fire next
neat sonnet
That should be interesting
halcyon flame
spread fire is the only way i know how to play zag rail
gaunt fiber
arty heart rend
neat sonnet
Yeah okay that makes sense
lilac laurel
Do people still do Ares attack + Athena dash + Merciful End on Spread Fire?
halcyon flame
and pretend i'm playing eris
eager vortex
I use aphro attack on spread fire zag cuz it's an unsafe build, weak helps
consistently higher dps too
lilac laurel
I remember getting those 4 together pre-ME prerequisite nerfs and feeling like I was playing Doom
gaunt fiber
MEris is dead yeah
lilac laurel
Well damn, that's a shame
eager vortex
it kinda does work tho
gaunt fiber
it will work still
lilac laurel
Yeah there's extra real estate vis a vis Divine Flourish
eager vortex
I'ma do ME chiron and get banned from this discord soon
gaunt fiber
You're making me sad
halcyon flame
I'ma do ME chiron and get banned from this discord soon
chiron is the one time dire misfortune will work on merciful end
halcyon flame
merciful end at 50 heat?
gaunt fiber
yes
halcyon flame
did you do ap0 or something
eager vortex
it's great enough that you were able to get ME with AP2
lilac laurel
One of the only times that I've had fun with Lucifer outside of Zeus attack ridiculousness and hydrocannon Sea Storm is Merciful End w Athena Dash + Ares attack + Dire Misfortune + Impending Doom
And infinity chamber
eager vortex
astaos is unnaturally lucky with ap2
halcyon flame
wait till astaos is exposed for changing the game's code so he can get merciful end more consistently and cheating 😡 😡 !!!!
gaunt fiber
I wish it was free lol
spice lava
"What's your favorite aspect"
"Duo"
eager vortex
I dunno if you can change game's code like that
prolly can mod tho
has anyone datamined ap2 code to see if there's an algorithm
I wanna know
honest kernel
the algorithm is to piss you off
halcyon flame
has anyone datamined ap2 code to see if there's an algorithm
i mean you can just use rng manipulation by poking battie
spice lava
"if duo=give it to @gaunt fiber
if Athena dd= give it to @true fable"
#AP2Law
gaunt fiber
Seems about right
eager vortex
if useless boon you are never gonna use give it to @eager vortex