#h1-high-heat-strategies

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celest grail
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ooh, similar to pengy's essay

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dig the clean spreadsheet

bronze viper
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Someone likes Heart Rend

celest grail
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splitting headache for zag bow?

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havent seen that ever

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huh

bronze viper
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It works really well on Chiron. Zag bow is new yeah

wintry berry
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Zeus with Hera ?

celest grail
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yeah i know about chiron

bright mango
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yours is way more fancier

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looks really good

bronze viper
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I'm probably copying the format for funzies to see where i stand on the aspects

bright mango
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hmm CoL on zag shield

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Interesting

eager vortex
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go ahead squirtyay

eager vortex
bright mango
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poseidon cast with hera?

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interesting

celest grail
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yeah

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that was what i was wondering too

halcyon flame
bright mango
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heatbreak strike is good

wintry berry
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Zeus special on Lucifer ?

eager vortex
celest grail
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yeah zeus special makes the bombs explode immediately

hoary pasture
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I like Poseidon Cast on Hera

celest grail
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idk what are ya gonna do when those casts are lodged into enemies with zeus attack and poseidon cast

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atleast with aphro you can get heartrend and get some decent attacks in

hoary pasture
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I just prefer Phalanx or Crush shot more

eager vortex
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quick reload in hermes column

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I just really had fun with that one

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and it worked pretty well

wintry berry
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Zeus special doesn't make sense for me, but maybe I'm not fun

bright mango
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I also love the 24 x 40 flex at the end

eager vortex
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it adds credibility

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like "I did this heat with this build, it works ok"

bright mango
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no no its totally fair

eager vortex
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again these are just my favs

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especially hera yes, I know it's different

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nyaanyaa said I could link it too, when people asked for a build for a spesific aspect

wintry berry
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I'm tempted to do a complete Lucifer guide now

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like Lili's Eris guide but with Lucifer

hoary pasture
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I probably would've done Artemis attack on Hera and aim for Mirage

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Welp

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Time to try it lol

wintry berry
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I just tested Zeus special on Lucifer, and indeed bombs can explode themselves when foes are nearby

eager vortex
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yep

wintry berry
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Today I learned something

bright mango
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I feel that artemis or something might be better

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the damage output of zeus isn't great

wintry berry
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It is imo

bright mango
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Especially with triple bomb

wintry berry
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I think it's faster to attack the orbs than letting foes getting nearby them to make them explode

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again, that's me trying to tryhard

solar maple
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curse of longing beowulf

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I hate it here

hoary pasture
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lol

solar maple
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tbh though aphro cast beo doesn't have a set build

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you just kind of wing it

bright mango
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i was doing an aphro cast 50 beo yesterday and I got setup for MEowulf in tart

solar maple
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also aphro cast beo usually goes pride, and with pride plume is just never worth it. It is fun though

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even if you save rolls, you are <10% to get it

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aphro beo doesn't really need duos, but random ones that you happen to get can be nice (smoldering, double poms, mirage is great but rare, etc)

mossy zinc
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I prioritize Snow Burst + Ravenous Will over Mirage Shot anyway because they're a lot easier to get.

solar maple
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same ^^

mossy zinc
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And Snow Burst can do more damage than Mirage.

solar maple
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I usually force demeter in aspho with aphro beo

solemn pulsar
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brutal flashbacks to hera runs rolling twice and seeing no snow burst or rav will

devout quiver
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Trade offer;
I receive; 3 fated persuasion
You recieve; common nourished soul

shy gulch
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this literally happened in my hera PB too i think

solar maple
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I got chamber 1 snow burst once with AP2

shy gulch
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h8 u

solar maple
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off of mom pom start

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I don't exactly remember what killed that run, but I feel like it was some evil BP dracon room. It was 58 heat though, so pretty rough

mossy zinc
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With AP2, just take anything Lady Demeter offers that isn't a brick.

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No wonder no one will buy Nourished Soul off Zagreus.

bronze viper
eager vortex
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it's locked

solar maple
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need access bouldy

bright mango
mossy zinc
eager vortex
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you need special access to see his spreadsheet

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it's that good

bronze viper
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Lmao, try now?

eager vortex
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works

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at least you didn't change my chiron too much

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I'm grateful for that

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tho how do you get smoldering air

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there is no zeus boon x:

bronze viper
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There's a note at the bottom lol, just stick em anywhere

eager vortex
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oh saw it

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my bad

mossy zinc
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@bronze viper use a different yellow for Lord Zeus. Text is white on mobile in dark mode, so it's unreadable lol.

wintry berry
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I see no ME, that's cool

bronze viper
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Yeah I can't stand ME. Either doesn't happen or makes runs so auto pilot as to not be fun

solar maple
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I see a lot of blue in the dash portion lol

bright mango
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hyper delivery on all of them lmfao

wintry berry
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Splash dash, best dash damage

solar maple
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I approve of snow burst in the beo duo section

bronze viper
bright mango
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wOW

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wait ur a relentless supporter

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huh

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this is not the ledger I know

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What is this act ur putting on for the people

bronze viper
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For Chiron?

bright mango
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rama

bronze viper
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Oh, ti's becasue the attack is bad, you just spam your special and hope to get there.

wintry berry
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These sheets are not supposed to be meta picks

bright mango
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ohh

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lmao

solemn pulsar
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It’s ledgers build

quartz mantle
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Rama attack too slow

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bad

solemn pulsar
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S

wintry berry
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so it's ok to have some fun builds

quartz mantle
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only use zeus special

eager vortex
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yep they are biased

quartz mantle
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Beo attack too slow

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bad

wintry berry
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Rama zeus special for unlimited power

quartz mantle
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only use special

eager vortex
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I wouldn't put poseidon cast on hera if I cared about meta

bronze viper
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Lol, my actual pet Rama build is Arty attack, Dio special, Splash Dash, Poseidon's Aid, Relentless Volley + Twin Shot, with Splitting Headache

solemn pulsar
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Flood shot Hera = bye bye casts in asphodel

mossy zinc
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Rama is not a pet class. Smh noob.

eager vortex
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so your actual rama build is closer to the one on my sheet

hoary pasture
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Yes

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My casts were all over the place in Aspho

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Gotta swim in lava every now and then but its ok

bronze viper
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That's kind of a highroll though lmao

solemn pulsar
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Not more of a high roll than duos tbh

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Actually it kinda is

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Nvm

bronze viper
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Hangover's utility after Tartarus is pretty much building call charge

eager vortex
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I'm bad at rama and I was able to clear 40 with that build

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which means good build

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pro gamer + bad build = win

devout quiver
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who needs Celestial Sharanga when you have Artic Blast and Relentless volley bouldy

eager vortex
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bad gamer + pro build = win

bronze viper
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Unless you have Relentless Volley, which lets you efficiently spread 5 stacks and benefit more heavily from poms

eager vortex
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pro gamer + pro build = epic win

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bad gamer + bad build = pengy

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jk

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@bright mango

bright mango
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excuse me

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I get pinged for this bs

eager vortex
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appreciate it

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nobody pings me

mossy zinc
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Don't fight amongst yourselves, commoners.

celest grail
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yeah lol

eager vortex
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thanks @celest grail

mossy zinc
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I made one, too. squirtnya

bronze viper
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Unhealthy Fixation is right.

mossy zinc
eager vortex
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I expected this

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before clicking

mossy zinc
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Thank you. 💕

dire steppe
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the optimal build for every aspect is to be @mossy zinc instead of a bad player

mossy zinc
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Being Lady Aphrodite is optimal, actually.

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But being the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite is very close to optimal life, I must agree.

quartz mantle
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I just see a lot of pink from the preview and went

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"yup that's nyaanyaa"

eager vortex
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it's like a horror movie

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first starts with normal sheets

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then goes insane slowly

mossy zinc
eager vortex
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look at the extras, it actually looks spooky

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sweet surrender

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empty inside

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dying lament

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yep, horror

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you don't need hermes ... you need only me

ashen garnet
mossy zinc
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It's never suboptimal if you have Lady Aphrodite boons.

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Lady Aphrodite can give you everything your heart could possibly desire.

devout quiver
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but venus is the aphrodite rip off though. how can you promote that

eager vortex
ashen garnet
mossy zinc
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I've blocked people for less.

mossy zinc
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But if you follow your heart and stay true to yourself, m sure she will come through. 💕 dusa

quartz mantle
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Someone make a nyaanyaa mod where every boon is replaced by aphrodite

mossy zinc
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I have thought of doing that and doing a run like that.

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Lady Aphrodite liked the idea. 💕

eager vortex
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aphrodite

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sorry I mean

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Lady Aphrodite

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does have the most impactful boons

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I have to agree

bright mango
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That is an... interesting guide nyaanyaa

mossy zinc
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Thank you. I put all my heart into making it. 💕 dusa

pseudo kernel
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i would prefer a rick roll, and not that guide

mossy zinc
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Found the heretic.

hoary pasture
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Am I blocked

pseudo kernel
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yeah i cant read what you said, you are blocked

mossy zinc
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Blocked by me? Nope.

floral tundra
pseudo kernel
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what do you mean

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that is not a meme

floral tundra
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😄

mossy zinc
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That's how I do all my runs.

shy plinth
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She's not kidding

pseudo kernel
mossy zinc
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The initial guide was from Painkakke.

bright mango
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that is literally her runs

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no joke

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So take it

eager vortex
mossy zinc
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It's a reasonable guide. Not as sophisticated as mine, but it can work.

honest kernel
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lmao

bright mango
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P I N K

solemn pulsar
bronze viper
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At least in the 32+ neighborhood.

floral tundra
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Just to be clear, you actually go full aphrodite on everything?

bronze viper
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No I had a separate one

floral tundra
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Gotcha, i'll go look for it. I was referencing the all aphrodite one when i asked for the "not a meme" sheet lol

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Thanks 😄

bronze viper
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Mine looks like a meme but it is in fact sincere.

floral tundra
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Yours looks about how mine would 😄 artemis and aphrodite when you want damage on slower / middle speed weapons, zeus when you you want damage on high speed weapons, poseidon dash is insane, and everything else is just gravy

bright mango
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nyaanyaa does run aphrodite for everything

waxen relic
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But why Artemis Attack on ZagSpear Ledger?

shy gulch
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^

bright mango
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I'm guessing bcs of flurry jab

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but again artemis does nothing on zag spear

waxen relic
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Flurry doesn't help Arty any more than it helps EVERY other Attack Boon thanthink

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My favorite Strategy with that Aspect is actually Poseidon Attack i think

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Needs more testing though

shy gulch
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zeus attack on zag spear is pog

bronze viper
solemn pulsar
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splash dash is most of your room damage until you find hunters mark

bronze viper
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I was running this when I was streaking 32 and when I did 40 before without issues. That probably reflects more on Flurry Jab or Splash Dash. What do people like on attack on Zagspear?

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Zoos?

bright mango
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zoos yes

shy gulch
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yeah

bright mango
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good for DC and stuff

mossy zinc
unique zephyr
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What exactly do you mean by the latter? I’m not sure if DC1 makes it much harder than JS1, I did notice DC1 messing with things like special and other sources of damage, so I am using JS1 for now.

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I’ve gotten better at timer though, JS1 isn’t as much of a problem timer wise as it used to for me (I timed out with 40 Hestia but had no problems with timer for Hades spear)

mossy zinc
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Well, you've already noticed lol. Just the fact that your first hit doesn't stun, and you'll need more hits for trash mobs. Things like that.

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It also gives DC1 to dad's skull casts.

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I don't think either pact is that much of a problem for Malphon, anyway. I do JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 for fun. dusa

unique zephyr
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You’re also actually fast though

mossy zinc
unique zephyr
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I’ve only done sub 15 in one run ever

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My times hover around 17 or 18 mins

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Much faster than when I first started for sure though

mossy zinc
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You'll get there.

bronze viper
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I find it relatively difficult to sub 15 on HM in general. Stupid JS CP

mossy zinc
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You'll get there, too. dusa

shy gulch
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simply click the buttons faster

bright mango
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^

gaunt fiber
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Pog advice from the poggest gremlin alive

bronze viper
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Ngl my hands hurt about the same from playing Arthur as Achilles lol. Just pressing the crap out of some buttons hoping to get Arthur's swings out faster

mossy zinc
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Excalibur is way more fun for me at a chill pace.

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Trying to speedrun it kind of goes against its design.

bronze viper
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It's not really as much speedrun as it is "oh my I locked in Strike 3 and there are enemies looking to start attack animation dash input intensifies"

mossy zinc
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Cast to cancel Attack animation. dusa

true fable
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if you press the buttons harder zag does more dmg

shy gulch
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exactly

devout quiver
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fist have thirst again, time for another 32 attempt electrode

bright mango
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I put this is in the speedrunning discord but I’m going to put it here as well bcs of how dumb it is

devout quiver
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I have Athena, Ares, Zeus, Aphrodite and its the tart midshop pogslide

solar maple
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turns out beo is a bit better than zag sword. Got athena leg in the middle of aspho and took a total of 27 damage after that

mossy zinc
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Cheats. dusa

ashen garnet
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My boonless attempt got vermin'd squirtmeh

devout quiver
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what do you think, common hyper or common swift strike on ME gil?
second hermes, but still in asphodel

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could also reroll i guess. I have ME already so i don't have to save them

solar maple
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I would go hyper

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it's nice mobility, 30% damage reduction, and lets you get out of some sticky situations without getting comboed

ashen garnet
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Would hesitate between epic swift strike and common hyper build-wise though

devout quiver
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yeah i grabbed hyper and saved the roll

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posting here too.
woo, actually have done high heat now

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only 4th try.
And only the 2nd to make it past meg hehexd

ashen garnet
devout quiver
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now back to my filthy casual mirror rainbow

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Ruthless Reflex is better than I realized though

bright mango
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Sadge

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I choked this so hard

neat sonnet
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wait appa that's great, first 32 on gilga could not be me

shy plinth
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First 32 with ME gilga??? Join the club

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It is a very exclusive club of mostly you and me

devout quiver
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picked ME because, eh, the damage needs some help lol

shy plinth
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Yes and yes lol

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We are the few, the proud, the gilga mains

solemn pulsar
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Congrats 🙂

devout quiver
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x cuse me

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zooz shield

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lolol

honest kernel
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What's the heat level

devout quiver
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uh

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14

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just back to +1 heat for bounties

honest kernel
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Hmm. Charged Shot should be fine then

devout quiver
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I thought about return, just to get some practice with it

honest kernel
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Explosive Return is the safe bet.

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And the best Zeus shield hammer for High Heat, since you get to keep the bullrush and do good AoE damage

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Second best in anyheat, no matter the build, IMO

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With an argument to be made to be the best hammer for Merciful End builds

devout quiver
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just zeus on zeus. let the other 3 gods come naturally

honest kernel
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Pretty much

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That's the baseline build

devout quiver
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ended up with Dio and Aphro

honest kernel
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Nice

devout quiver
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and splash man

unique zephyr
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Any fists mechanics tips to fight safer? I've only made it past Lernie twice on 40 heat and last run I died to mini boss asterius

wintry berry
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Know when foes are attacking and when they aren't so that you can attack safely

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At 40 heat, I think you can use go back to FO1 and put AP1 + HS/DC/JS if you really struggle with FO2

bright mango
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Yeah if ur really struggling with fists, go AP1

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If ur doing ZA, it shouldn’t hurt

gaunt fiber
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Learning Asterius moves really helps

bright mango
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^

gaunt fiber
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Like at first it seems really unbeatable with little opening

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but you can really empty dash stuff

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Arthur taught me that

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then you'll know the behavior, the hitboxes and that will hone your positioning and timings to deal damage

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But please be reassured : the charge remains a bs move

bright mango
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Whenever I use a shield, he keeps going in circles with the charge

gaunt fiber
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Yeah it's fun

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Now I just let him do his circles

bright mango
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And I’m like can plz come at me, I can actually block you

ashen garnet
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Don't forget to dash-cancel the last hit of the attack combo also

mossy zinc
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Malphon with Divine Strike can easily stop his bull charge lol.

ashen garnet
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Empty dashes and iframes are your best friends as well

unique zephyr
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I always dash cancel

mossy zinc
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Just punch him.

gaunt fiber
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I think the difficulty with malphon is that you have to deal damage continuously, you can't just wait for an opening an unleash a burst

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It's actually hard lol

bright mango
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What

gaunt fiber
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Yeah deflect is strong

ashen garnet
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Yup, divine dash counts as a wall somehow

unique zephyr
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I feel like I need zeus attack for room clears

bright mango
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Well then

gaunt fiber
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Scratch keeps telling me I should just deflect :')

bright mango
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You learn something new everyday

unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
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yup

bright mango
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Just go TD2

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TD2 is fun

mossy zinc
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No lol.

bright mango
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It is tho

mossy zinc
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Why do EM3 TD2 when you could just do EM2 TD3.

unique zephyr
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TD3 is more fun for me than making rooms take longer

gaunt fiber
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TD2, land of trials

unique zephyr
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Can I even do EM2 at 40 heat

bright mango
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I am now a strong TD2 supporter

mossy zinc
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Sure.

gaunt fiber
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EM2 will require some nasty pacts

mossy zinc
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40 is very flexible.

gaunt fiber
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like JS/CP

unique zephyr
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CP with TD3 seems very hard

mossy zinc
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Malphon has no problem with JS or CP.

gaunt fiber
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Well I consider DC being nasty too

unique zephyr
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I thought it hates CP way more than DC

gaunt fiber
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So yeah could run DC

mossy zinc
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Anyway, don't do TD2 with one of the most consistently fast weapons. That's silly.

gaunt fiber
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But on most aspects I really prefer JS/CP over DC

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DC tart is not poggies

unique zephyr
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EM2 is doable with AP1 actually

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Hm

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I don’t usually run AP, time for salt

gaunt fiber
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Yeah AP1 gaming is ok

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But it's a bit cursed be careful

bright mango
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I cheesed it

gaunt fiber
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some people would say "working as intended"

unique zephyr
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FO2 + EM4 does not sound like “cheesing it” pengy

bright mango
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HL0 makes it way better

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I used AP

gaunt fiber
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HL0 DDs LC4

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classic pengy

mossy zinc
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HL0, the coward's pact. squirtdevious

bright mango
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Ikshadegrief

gaunt fiber
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well it's EM4

bright mango
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I got my first “real” em4 a few days ago

gaunt fiber
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pretty sure I die even with HL0

bright mango
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With zoos shield

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So I don’t have to feel bad about this

unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
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Malphon superdad must be quite the experience

mossy zinc
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Shield, the coward's weapon. squirtdevious

bright mango
bright mango
gaunt fiber
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I mean

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it's a bit true pengy

bright mango
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Hush

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I had no extra SD’s and no patty

gaunt fiber
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When you hear the words "brave" and "courage"

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do you think "shield"

ashen garnet
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HL5 LC4 CF2 JS0 EM3 CP0 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS RI0 DC2 (free for Talos) AP0 TD3 is my usual 40-ish pact

gaunt fiber
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I don't think so

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All I hear is Guan Yu

unique zephyr
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With dem fists I feel like I never use special

bright mango
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Does this look cowardly to you @gaunt fiber

gaunt fiber
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well that's a shame lmao

mossy zinc
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DC2 on a cast-attack hybrid does not make a lot of sense.

gaunt fiber
ashen garnet
unique zephyr
mossy zinc
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Do Dash-Uppers.

bright mango
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^

mossy zinc
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Not regular Uppercuts.

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Dash-Upper does more damage when charged anyway.

unique zephyr
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What makes dash-uppers better

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Oh damage

gaunt fiber
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recovery

mossy zinc
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Way faster startup and recovery.

unique zephyr
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The 50 heat fist runs I’ve seen don’t use many dash uppers but they do use DC2

mossy zinc
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Can be canceled into from a Dash-Attack by simply pressing Special right after the Dash-Attack.

unique zephyr
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The only people who have uploaded 50 heat fists on YouTube are tails and retrash from what I’ve seen

ashen garnet
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Dash-uppers are your bossing advantage with Dem

unique zephyr
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Would fists speedruns be more helpful for fists mechanics

mossy zinc
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50 Heat requires different solutions for different problems.

bright mango
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Hades professor as well

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55 zag fistsdusa

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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Speedruns would be better only if you're going for ME tbh.

unique zephyr
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I’m not going ME

gaunt fiber
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Most people just zoom

unique zephyr
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Especially if I decide to AP1

ashen garnet
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50 is way different from 40 because you need to get over RI/AP/EM4/Hellmode scary conditions

mossy zinc
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Then you won't learn much from Malphon speedruns. They play ME mechanics more than they play Malphon.

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Watch Tailesque, Krashercorr, Resqtoaster, or me. squirtnya

ashen garnet
unique zephyr
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Is it normal to feel like you hit a wall for a few days doing high heat hades

wintry berry
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That's me these days at 50

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My 2 last hotw clears were done at 46, it's 50 without RI2

ashen garnet
unique zephyr
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Why should I use PS

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Since I’ve started 32 I’ve only run FF

ashen garnet
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It's fairly ease to proc with fists and 40% is huge

solemn pulsar
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It’s 15%

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Maybe 20

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Difference from FF

unique zephyr
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Can I still use Zeus with PS or is Jolted not something I should rely on getting

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I do see and pick up jolted a lot lately

solemn pulsar
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What heat

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CF, RI, UC, and AP all affect your ability to obtain PS triggers reliably

halcyon flame
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32 heat luci done dusa

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i only got one flourish from chaos but hades melted all the same

bright mango
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Does anybody have a good chaos 50 pact?

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I’m fine with AP2

unique zephyr
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I’m running CF and UC

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I don’t think I can run CF0 at 40 without making the pact stupid

solemn pulsar
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So with Zeus fists you need 3 boons minimum to get PS going

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And then you have to sell one mid biome

unique zephyr
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What fist builds get PS going? Drunken strike?

solemn pulsar
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Zeus attack

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Zeus attack jolted and any status dash or special

halcyon flame
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pash dash should be perfect

#

it makes enemies deal less damage and you can get smouldering

unique zephyr
#

I’m not sure if the PS suggestion was serious or not

#

I always run FF on high heat but I’m open to change for this one

devout quiver
#

I love making PS work, but it is just objectively worse in most situations

honest kernel
#

Family Favorite is reliable, and doesn't force you into picking boons or gods you'd avoid otherwise

#

Even when PS is online, chances are you are losing out on 15-10% global damage. And PS is only active while 2 statuses are on an enemy, which can be awkward to do in rooms depending on your boon setup

bright mango
#

^

solemn pulsar
#

also just looking at the effectiveness of additive damage, it's much stronger early in the run. Let's just look at comon Lv 1 zeus attack for an example.

You start with it in chamber 1, and get 5% Family Favorites for the first half of tartarus, and 10% for the second half, after midboss. at this point you have almost no other global damage buffs, and zeus is flat damage, so that's 7.5% average multiplicative damage from family favorites in tartarus. PS has 0, since it so rarely is online at that point.

Fast forward to late elysium/styx, when you have 25% FF vs 40% PS active regularly. But let's say you also have 20% billowing strength often active, and 15% sweet surrender from your passion dash. That's 35% of global damage, before the FF/PS. So then the 25% FF is a 20% multiplicative boost on the 135 you're starting with, and 40% PS is 29%. A much smaller gap than 15, and you have to keep it up constantly

#

FF is far more effective in tartarus, basically

#

and PS isn't that much better IMO later on to justify the cost of keeping uptime

unique zephyr
#

Died to bull mini boss AGAIN

#

oh ok I was right about FF just being better then

#

I may try an EM2 pact, I'd need approval process though

solemn pulsar
#

While you’re dropping 3 heat you could try FO1 EM3

unique zephyr
#

Hm, I wonder how long it would take for me to adjust to FO1 timings for everything

#

Is having a tough time with fists normal

#

Hades spear was way easier

#

I'll try that pact though, thanks cgull

#

Approval Process is mean

halcyon flame
#

you don't say

#

i tried to do chaos drunken flourish and ap1 crossed out epic drunken flourish

halcyon flame
#

i'm thinking of making a 32 heat guan yu guide for steam guides

#

i know that's astaos' job but people on steam discussions have too many bad takes and somebody has to help them see the light that is heartbreak flourish charged skewer

shy gulch
#

i kinda forgot steam discussions existed ngl

halcyon flame
#

i like to read it to see the weird opinions people have there

#

because boy do people have some weird opinions

#

"you should use cursed slash with arthur at 32 heat"

#

i feel like this guide is too messy

#

oh wait no i didn't even think about formatting it

hearty onyx
#

Poseidon sword cast is far easier than any sword at 32 with Cursed slash of all hammers

unique zephyr
#

It’s called cursed slash for a reason

eager vortex
#

thought I'm good enough for 55 chiron

#

guess what, I am

#

tho I run out of time

#

so not really

spice lava
#

Being good doesn't prevent us from timing out unfortunately 👀 💦

eager vortex
#

which means we're not good enough

halcyon flame
#

shut 🙊 the hell 🤬 🥵 up 👆 if you 👉 👨 👈 can't sub 15 ⏲️ ⏰ 55 🥵 heat 🌶️ 🔥 zag bow 🏹 😤

eager vortex
#

well, turn off the server then

edgy arrow
#

i can prolly sub 15 55 heat zag bow

#

i mean, i’ve never tried

#

but i bet i could; can’t prove me wrong

hoary pasture
#

prove it

edgy arrow
#

you prove it

eager vortex
#

I never was able to finish 55

hoary pasture
#

im still nub

eager vortex
#

I'm a 40-50 person

edgy arrow
#

i’m not good enough at the game to call myself a 40-50 person necessarily, but i can see what you mean

#

50 is hard, but above 50 is... something else

eager vortex
#

I still fail 40-50 but at least I can do it

#

never did 50+

#

I mean I did, but failed

#

no victories

#

(prolly could do 51 beo tho)

edgy arrow
#

yeah i sunk a bunch of time into low 50s beo

#

got close a bunch of times

#

it’s doable, but i never got it

eager vortex
#

I mean if you can do 50 beo, you can do 51 beo right

edgy arrow
#

prolly

hoary pasture
#

Gonna try Arthur 40 today

true fable
#

good luck!

hoary pasture
#

ty!

halcyon flame
#

don't get hit now bouldy

hoary pasture
#

I dont like this TD3 FO2 combo for Arthur

#

Its gonna be painful

halcyon flame
#

you're gonna get hit

eager vortex
#

may want to use fo1

unique zephyr
#

I'm struggling to be a 40 person right now

#

I did 6 x 32 and still don't feel confident on 32 tbh

shy gulch
#

im struggling to be a person right now

hoary pasture
#

hey I saw that

unique zephyr
#

I just deleted bc I wasn't sure it was relevant to the channel

#

but yeah, i have to max out keepsakes still

#

when is skull earring used

#

i want to max out all the ones relevant to heat first

hoary pasture
#

I use it sometimes for fun but thats about it

#

It's interesting

spice lava
#

Earring is usable once you have LC5 on your run out of tartarus because it's active on most of your rooms

unique zephyr
#

Is sigil of the dad ever useful

spice lava
#

If you struggled at tartarus you probably end up with low hp asphodel

shy gulch
#

at high heat?

unique zephyr
#

I saw a screen of retrash using it against EM4

shy gulch
#

prob not

waxen relic
#

*LC4 and basically if you're more worried about your time than your otherwise survival (Skull Earring)

shy gulch
#

he said he needed the damage since he had no time left

unique zephyr
#

Why is it used for speedrunning

celest grail
#

dmg

#

is why

hoary pasture
#

dmg yea

shy gulch
#

pure dmg

#

gives a 100% global damage buff for 1.5 seconds on lesser call

#

which is uh

#

pretty stonks

unique zephyr
#

Does sigil of the dad small call only apply for the next hit

shy gulch
#

nope

unique zephyr
#

Oh 1.5 sec

shy gulch
#

also extra move speed

#

w helps if u have rush delivery

unique zephyr
#

Pre nerf sigil sounds busted

shy gulch
#

it was pretty stupid LOL

celest grail
#

sigil of the dad
sigil of the dad LOL

spice lava
#

You most of the time can save time at Asphodel, so dealing more dmg = saving more time

#

And struggling less with rooms because you're faster bouldy

unique zephyr
#

I rarely time out in apshodel for some reason

shy gulch
#

well aspho is the shortest biome

#

usually you save up time in aspho for the slog that is elysium

mossy zinc
unique zephyr
#

High heat speedrunning sounds like something I want to get into one day

#

Once I become skilled at high heat in general

spice lava
#

Earring dmg boost is also global so it can amplify exotic builds like doom, hangover, Zeus thunder

shy gulch
#

exotic builds

#

lmao

spice lava
#

Oh sorry was thinking of my special Rama attempts bouldy

mossy zinc
#

The more flat damage sources you have in your DPS rotations, the more you benefit from Skull Earring.

spice lava
eager vortex
#

I was wrong

shy gulch
#

what the frick

eager vortex
#

I'm a 0 heat person

spice lava
#

Cursed pact from last night @shy gulch

shy gulch
#

that is SO cursed

#

what am i even looking at

#

homie ur gonna time out in elysium on TD2 LOL

eager vortex
#

you must rly hate fo2

#

fo*

spice lava
#

"Which aspect is your favorite"
"Pact"

halcyon flame
#

twin repulse shot

#

????

hoary pasture
#

look at that beautiful attack

eager vortex
#

I'm gonna post a victory screen soon

#

and everyone's gonna hate it

unique zephyr
#

So this is how an FO0 50 heat pact looks like

mossy zinc
#

Second hammer doesn't really matter if you have Twin Shot, anyway.

halcyon flame
#

god why does he have fo0 on

spice lava
#

I spent my time using Rama special, anyway

unique zephyr
#

I’ve gotten used enough to FO2 that FO0 feels weird now

#

That being said FO2 is still really fast

mossy zinc
#

That would explain the time lol.

spice lava
#

Reached Hades once when playing Rama correctly

unique zephyr
#

Why not at least FO1

shy gulch
#

because cursed

spice lava
#

It's just that Hades isn't the good moment to learn how to use twin shot

halcyon flame
#

such a good build too 😭

mossy zinc
#

I feel like the only person who can claim to play Rama correctly is Tailesque, and we're all just doing a faint imitation of that.

spice lava
#

I actually didn't expect to reach Hades with that pact but hey, surprise

mossy zinc
unique zephyr
spice lava
#

I probably can do more cursed pacts by using hell mode

mossy zinc
#

EM4 FO0 RI4 at 50.

unique zephyr
#

What’s your idea of a cursed 40 pact

spice lava
#

I was thinking doing tryhard offline and once I have something, building some runs where I hide in purpose the pact and heat

#

"Guess the heat and what's wrong"

#

40 pact... could be something close to that

waxen relic
spice lava
#

Put EM4 but HL0, so even if Hades hit you, who cares with feather + RR

unique zephyr
#

Does the bull rush help make up for single dash

waxen relic
#

and AP2 🙂

waxen relic
unique zephyr
#

It’s messed up that RI3 is only 6 heat

hoary pasture
unique zephyr
#

Maybe FO1 instead of FO2 but I’m not experienced with Arthur

#

Or sword 40 in general

hoary pasture
#

hmm

mossy zinc
#

But it looks fine.

waxen relic
#

I don't know, some don't like FOs on Arthur some don't mind and i did Lightning Phalanx

hoary pasture
#

Alright ty

unique zephyr
#

Good luck!

hoary pasture
#

Just not sure how my pace would be and if I can keep up with TD3 thats why I have TD2

unique zephyr
#

Yeah your pact looks reasonable

mossy zinc
#

Just try different things, and see what works for you.

hoary pasture
#

Will do!

unique zephyr
#

I like how flexible the pact of punishment is

shy gulch
#

yeah thats one of the nice things abt heat

#

tinkering and messing around to see what fits your preferences

mossy zinc
#

My 40 Heat pace with the pact I showed you if I speedrun is typically like +3~4 minutes over my normal any heat time? Around that.

#

If you play it safe, it's gonna be slower.

eager vortex
#

hahahah

hoary pasture
unique zephyr
#

That was fast

#

I don’t usually have sub 7 asphodel

true fable
#

thats a lot of dash strike dmg

hoary pasture
#

yea this might go well lol

#

12:15 exiting Elysium

mossy zinc
#

Just don't step on green urns, and you'll be fine. squirtnya

hoary pasture
#

time scary

#

didnt get 2 sack

hearty onyx
#

5 sack time

hoary pasture
#

no

#

pls

#

okay goddamnit

#

its not third either

mossy zinc
#

You have time to spare. All good. squirtnya

hoary pasture
#

wtf

#

I got 5 sacked

waxen relic
#

@shy plinth in the high-heat-leaderbord the Per-player index broke cuz more players

shy plinth
#

Fixing!

#

Fixed

waxen relic
#

thanks

hoary pasture
#

died to time

#

rip

#

smh

true fable
#

pain

#

hmm

#

what sack?

hoary pasture
#

5

true fable
#

dang

eager vortex
#

F

#

you'll do it next time

hoary pasture
#

Oh I didnt know Chaos boons appear like that

#

Lunge lv.2

eager vortex
#

sack mechanism just sucks

#

adding even more rng to a very rng heavy gaem

hoary pasture
#

I hate it

spice lava
#

Reminds me the Super Meat boy speedrun pain : Doing your best during 15 min then praying for the Larry boss to do only 3 cycles

eager vortex
#

I usually either get 2 or 4

hoary pasture
#

Whenever I see patty I dont get 2

edgy arrow
#

the best feeling is c34 patty into 3 sack

#

take that sack rng

#

i was prepared

spice lava
#

"Oh hello vermin"

edgy arrow
#

lol

spice lava
#

First 50 heat clear was vermin room 2, pleasure

gaunt fiber
#

4 sack+ should not exist y

#

Like I don't care anymore about patty's buff I just want a chance to fight

spice lava
#

Your mistake, do a 4 leaf clover layout on your stream and go back to the Styx

gaunt fiber
#

Will do

edgy arrow
#

okay here's a potential change to sack rng i just thought of: everyone knows the idea where TD disables 4/5 sacks, but what about if your time for styx just depended on your sack #

true fable
#

what happened astaos

#

cant be worse than me

#

i threw a dedge zag sword run at 50 with both DDs

edgy arrow
#

so like, your time is X + Y/tunnel

#

or something

halcyon flame
#

oh wait no

edgy arrow
#

no no, like the other way around

halcyon flame
#

me being an idiot again dusa

edgy arrow
#

you get a bit of extra time per tunnel if you get more than a 2 sack

gaunt fiber
halcyon flame
#

i like it

edgy arrow
#

even if its just like, 30 seconds or something

true fable
#

thats pain

#

well

#

i will go to sleep feeling like an idiot

#

for throwing the freest 50 heat in the world

#

by being tired

#

i lost 4 straight DDs to asterius lol

gaunt fiber
unique zephyr
#

It’s zag sword

#

Zag sword is hard

edgy arrow
#

^

#

yeah even with a good build its still zag sword lol

true fable
#

well

#

idk

#

tis

#

i played like an idioto

gaunt fiber
#

Zag Sword deals damage with boons

true fable
#

tomorrow quest continues

gaunt fiber
#

Sometimes

true fable
#

i had lvl 3 common drunk strike

unique zephyr
#

I have thrown much easier runs

edgy arrow
#

anything deals damage with enough boons lol

true fable
#

shouldve been enough

edgy arrow
#

swords don't deal damage safely is the problem

unique zephyr
#

Only thing to do was run again

gaunt fiber
#

Yes ohokwy

edgy arrow
#

no matter how many boons you got

unique zephyr
#

There is the whole “don’t die” thing

true fable
#

5 left now

gaunt fiber
#

But do you get 15% movement speed

edgy arrow
#

oh tru

unique zephyr
#

Rush delivery stonks

edgy arrow
#

mb guess zag sword op

true fable
#

zag sword i think might be better than poseidon

#

tbqh

gaunt fiber
#

Bright

unique zephyr
#

Huh? Explain

true fable
#

poseidon is absurdly difficult

unique zephyr
#

Or is it because of AP2

edgy arrow
#

i do not believe this

true fable
#

you dont get damage

gaunt fiber
#

Is going for all aspects 50 worth it

true fable
#

you just dont

#

i like it so far

#

tbh

unique zephyr
#

Is getting all aspects 32 worth it

gaunt fiber
#

Imo no Bacchus

unique zephyr
#

May be my next goal or concurrent to 6 x 40

true fable
#

pros: it makes me feel really smart

#

cons: i die a lot

unique zephyr
#

Because some aspects are stinky?

true fable
#

so you have to weigh those astaos

gaunt fiber
#

I can die no problem

unique zephyr
#

Like zag sword

edgy arrow
#

i did all aspects 32 before going for all aspects 40

#

i think its a fine goal

true fable
#

seems like it may be worth it then

mossy zinc
edgy arrow
#

lol

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

or run TD2 owl pendant start run

halcyon flame
#

i think i'll go with crush shot for 32 poseidon

edgy arrow
#

honestly half the point of the idea was for it to be a bit of a compromise; not disabling 4/5 sacks entirely

waxen relic
#

I did all Aspects 40 before all Aspects 32 f10

gaunt fiber
#

Same

halcyon flame
#

lightning phalanx is the magnum opus of room-clearing or so i've heard but i don't enjoy my casts flying off everywhere

edgy arrow
#

look, some of us aren't pro gamers and have gotta work our way up in heat

unique zephyr
#

The issue is getting lighting phalanx

edgy arrow
#

not just start straight at the top

unique zephyr
#

For my Poseidon 32 clear I didn’t actually see lightning phalanx

halcyon flame
unique zephyr
#

I had God’s Legacy

edgy arrow
#

you don't need lightning phalanx

true fable
#

tbh i think owl pendant start is just the key to any AP2 pact

edgy arrow
#

i missed it on my 45

#

it worked fine

true fable
#

starting with athena core boon is so busted

gaunt fiber
# unique zephyr Because some aspects are stinky?

The goal is noble don't get me wrong. It just that (only my opinion), 32 all aspects won't really make you better at them because there's such a high chance of high rolling that you'll win some runs without even playing the aspect

halcyon flame
light oyster
#

so rookie question, what does everyone mean by 5x40 or aspects 32, etc,

unique zephyr
edgy arrow
#

pretty sure i had AP1?

true fable
#

usually weapons/aspects x heat

edgy arrow
#

wait i'll check

true fable
#

if it's 6x40 then probably weapons

#

24 then probably aspects

edgy arrow
#

yeah AP1

true fable
#

but yeah thats what ive discovered in my quest for slow aspects at 50

#

just run owl pendant start AP2 TD2

#

EZPZ

unique zephyr
#

At 40 heat I’m doing what I can to avoid AP

gaunt fiber
#

Hellmode smh

unique zephyr
#

Even if it makes it harder I just hate AP on principle right now

#

I don’t use hell mode

true fable
#

LOL

gaunt fiber
#

Bright how does it feel to know I'll stream in like 2 hours

unique zephyr
#

Unless you weren’t talking to me

true fable
#

good

gaunt fiber
#

And you'll be sleeping

true fable
#

i'll sleep well

#

high heat is in good hands

#

🙂

gaunt fiber
#

Lmao

hoary pasture
unique zephyr
#

50 seems so far off to me but I thought the same about 40 and 32 before I did them

gaunt fiber
halcyon flame
true fable
#

starting with owl pendant gives you a 66% chance to get a DD across a run assuming you fill core boons and see 4 athena

hoary pasture
#

Guan yu time

true fable
#

if you only see 3 athena its a 58% chance

#

even with AP2

unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
light oyster
unique zephyr
#

Heightened Security is surprisingly brutal

#

And HS is pretty much necessary at 40

gaunt fiber
#

I think I'm just stupid not to go for athena's dds

unique zephyr
#

At least you can pop off your SD faster with HS

halcyon flame
#

i heard people don't do hs until 45 or something

edgy arrow
#

you don't have to run it at 40

gaunt fiber
#

Even if I don't die it's bonus time

halcyon flame
true fable
#

DDs are good it turns out

gaunt fiber
#

Yes

true fable
#

i think theyre the only way to not have to high roll patty

unique zephyr
true fable
#

like my run wouldve been fine if i didnt play like an idiot

#

sigh

waxen relic
#

i actually tried HS in Mirrorless. It was really good until i actually walked into a trap.

true fable
#

pain

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah tbh I skip patty over keys nowadays

true fable
#

really?

halcyon flame
unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
#

Jk lmao

true fable
#

youre not even trying to win at that point astaos LOL

unique zephyr
#

At least HS when you die it’s because you suck

#

Not because the game does

edgy arrow
#

you wanna start thinking about both at that point tho

halcyon flame
#

and then there's asphodel shadefear

hoary pasture
#

Take HS

edgy arrow
#

they're honestly not as bad as they seem, once you get used to them

hoary pasture
#

Learn it the hard way

edgy arrow
#

but i can understand wanting to avoid them for sure

unique zephyr
#

I don’t mind HS I just need to get better

#

At 40 the other heats start to get way worse

gaunt fiber
waxen relic
true fable
#

my classic hades fight can be clean

halcyon flame
#

asphodel actually isn't that bad

true fable
#

DDs means it doesnt always have to be for me to win

unique zephyr
#

EM2 with HS though

halcyon flame
#

it just really sucks with lernie if you're using an unga bunga weapon

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah I get that

unique zephyr
gaunt fiber
#

And tbh I saw it in your gameplay

halcyon flame
#

i may or may not try 40 chiron

#

but honestly

true fable
#

oh?

halcyon flame
#

that seems like a really bad idea

gaunt fiber
#

Your Arthur and Zag bow

#

You all in phase one

true fable
#

interesting

gaunt fiber
#

Because you know you don't have to play "safe"

#

I think

true fable
#

well this morning's zag bow was a little stupid

gaunt fiber
#

But you can play it really well too

true fable
#

triple flurry makes the brain turn off i think

unique zephyr
#

Well it’s natural to want to not spend more mental energy than you need to

gaunt fiber
#

yeah it has the same effect on me

unique zephyr
#

I have actually won at least one 32 without Athena dash but no 40s

#

So far

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

other dashes can be quite useful

#

just have to figure out how they are useful

unique zephyr
#

I won with arty dash once

gaunt fiber
#

Tbh you're gonna call me weirdo

unique zephyr
#

For 32

gaunt fiber
#

But I actually don't like more than 2 dashes

true fable
#

that is a bit strange

halcyon flame
#

divine dash isn't the only prereq for athena dds

true fable
#

although i would probably just want hyper sprint

#

yeah i accept any athena core boon on APx

unique zephyr
#

I wonder why the call isn’t a prereq for Athena dds

halcyon flame
#

i used tidal for my hera and hestia clears but that's not saying much because tidal dash

gaunt fiber
#

bc game bad

true fable
#

i think i'll probably try to finish zagspects tomorrow

#

sword shouldnt take that long

#

i think zagreus sword is legit kind of okay

gaunt fiber
#

I'm just used to the 2 dashes rythm. But on aspects I don't master (23 or them, maybe 22) or EM4, more dashes good

halcyon flame
#

i'm just gonna go crush shot for my zgaius 32

#

screw flurry + cursed

true fable
#

or at least better than poseidon

halcyon flame
#

i prefer having acceptable levels of damage output

unique zephyr
#

The only zag aspect I have some experience with is zag bow

true fable
#

poseidon is absolutely god awful at 50 heat IMHO

#

although i love the aspect

gaunt fiber
#

You can rob the game

halcyon flame
gaunt fiber
#

Like pseudo did

true fable
#

yeah

gaunt fiber
#

Mom Pom RI0

halcyon flame
#

they fall off really bad at high heat with no rerolls and ap

true fable
#

i ended up doing mom pom RI0 as well

#

but with AP2 and CP2

#

LOL

gaunt fiber
#

Lmao

true fable
#

and crush shot start

#

lmao

unique zephyr
#

What was your most fun 50 so far bright

halcyon flame
#

mom pom high heat moment

gaunt fiber
#

crush shot should be ok?

true fable
#

zagreus spear probably

unique zephyr
#

I feel like a poser right now lol

true fable
#

maybe hades spear

unique zephyr
#

Hades spear is fun

halcyon flame
#

32 zag spear should be alright if i can get explosive launcher

true fable
#

maybe guan yu

unique zephyr
#

Hades spear was a fun 40

true fable
#

actually

halcyon flame
#

i wanna get charged skewer but it's not essential

true fable
#

idk spears are just fun i think

#

when you get to use the special

unique zephyr
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Hades spear has fun spins

true fable
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my hades spear clear was a farce

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it was mostly guan yu gameplay

unique zephyr
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My 40 had spin hammers for hades spear

halcyon flame
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hades looks fun but i seriously don't know how to build it

unique zephyr
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Artemis attack

true fable
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artemis special

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🙂

halcyon flame
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hades spear explosive launcher

unique zephyr
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That works if you get exploding launcher

halcyon flame
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it could totally work out since punishing sweep affects special too thanthink

true fable
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yeah lmao

unique zephyr
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That’s why special hammer builds are good actually

solar maple
unique zephyr
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Because punishing sweep affects special

true fable
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that was my 50 heat spammy

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just resetting for explosive launcher

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LMAO

unique zephyr
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I never tried CP2 ever, it sounds like things would take so long to die

gaunt fiber
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mr bridge is 4 am you should get some sleep

true fable
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i should

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it is going to be a long day full of zagreus the sword and zagreus the fist tomorrow

halcyon flame
gaunt fiber
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nice

halcyon flame
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my goal is get to asphodel with zeus squared

unique zephyr
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A friend asked me if I thought I could beat max heat with max god mode, I said “lol no”

solar maple
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same

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I wouldn't beat timer

true fable
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zeus squared seems fine enough

solar maple
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even if the enemies didn't kill me

unique zephyr
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When I mentioned single dash they mentioned gilga giving extra dashes

solar maple
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LOL

unique zephyr
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But LOL gilga

halcyon flame
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lmao

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yeah like gilga is gonna work out

unique zephyr
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Imagine if unseeded max heat was first beaten with gilga

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Of all aspects

halcyon flame
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nah

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nah

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nope

true fable
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gilga

unique zephyr
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That’s why I said “imagine”

solar maple
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most aspects would have serious trouble with max heat with 100% damage reduction tbh

true fable
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that is an aspect i fear

halcyon flame
true fable
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gilga is quite the aspect

gaunt fiber
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I like gilga

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somehow

solar maple
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of course you do

true fable
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if you clear 50 gilga you win

halcyon flame
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i have no idea how to play gilgamesh so i'm just gonna build tidal dash and hope it works for timer

unique zephyr
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I only tried gilga at very low heat, it seemed fun