It was meant to be a reset and I just did not for some reason
#h1-high-heat-strategies
gaunt fiber
ember bronze
Deadly strike doesn't even scale that much with rarity/pom
it's kind of weird that way
distant cradle
Doesn't it give +50 on epic?
gaunt fiber
It's all about hp tresholds, not scaling
edgy arrow
yeah i just see 15% crit and something something extra damage i guess
ember bronze
yeah, I definitely don't have those memorized
edgy arrow
no
distant cradle
Oh
edgy arrow
memorising hp thresholds is like magic to me
i can’t even memorise my own hp half the time
mossy zinc
Okay, so about Deadly Strike, here is what the numbers mean:
gaunt fiber
well it's simple
mossy zinc
15% of the time, Deadly Strike does damage.
gaunt fiber
On CP2 if your deadly flourish is not epic it's garbage in Tartarus
edgy arrow
it’s CP2 tho so everything’s garbage
gaunt fiber
Aspects that handle DC
true fable
can you imagine how busted deadly strike crit chance scaling would be
edgy arrow
there’s always something horrifying in them
gaunt fiber
and AP2
gaunt fiber
If your aspect is good with AP2 and DC2 or even one of them, it's great
gaunt fiber
Well for 50 it's not too bad
edgy arrow
sure
gaunt fiber
It's funny to see how some aspects still have "flexibility" at 50
"Wow I can actually do JS0"
No CP being a bliss
gaunt fiber
It's a privilege you lose when you take the PL way
gaunt fiber
Yeah that hurts
true fable
lol
ember bronze
Has anyone made a mod or something that allows PL (or frankly just changes saves to Hell Mode)?
gaunt fiber
You don't need a mod, you can edit a file
But I don't remember the details
I remember Crepes doing it
true fable
ask schad
edgy arrow
^
gaunt fiber
Yeah Schad knows
ember bronze
Will remember if I ever really want to do it
gaunt fiber
but he's not here anymore LUL
mossy zinc
You don't need a mod, you can edit a file
I mean that's a mod lol.
true fable
one hell mode and one normal
ember bronze
Yeah but don't feel like the time to re-unlock everything (esp. having to use JS/CP the whole time)
gaunt fiber
yeah that's the point of this save
But no bounties done actually is actually a nerf to your runs lol
ember bronze
oh sorry, missed the first part
yeah, that would be fine
but there's something nice about my file actually being my file
true fable
i feel that
edgy arrow
i’ve started
edgy arrow
unlocking beo is taking so long
ember bronze
I think I saw in your 60 video, it only had Bow mostly played?
gaunt fiber
I've started one too but I wanted to get a first run clear :)
true fable
so we can do the route
ember bronze
So I realized, oh it wouldn't take that long if you only care about one aspect
(just max out a few keepsakes, get a summon, and good to go?)
daring hedge
I think I saw in your 60 video, it only had Bow mostly played?
yeah lol, i have a bit more time put into that file now but i basically grinded out rama just to get the 60 as soon as i could
ember bronze
but then if you want to play all the aspects
daring hedge
LOL
edgy arrow
yeah problem is if that aspect is legendary you gotta rng into it
mossy zinc
FYI I don't encourage using that mod, but we ruled it legal for the high heat leaderboard under the condition that you have to enable all the pacts that would also be forced in Hell mode.
mossy zinc
So you can't have PL without at least CP1 JS1 etc.
true fable
egg!
ember bronze
right, definitely, for scoreposting, you should only use valid setups
I just don't want to re-grind
Tail did you just do that because 60 has more cachet than 59?
edgy arrow
wow Tail not even completing Chaos’ quest smh
true fable
lemme tell you
his files cursed
only meg route is maxed out
every other relationship is like bare minimum
gaunt fiber
sadge
gaunt fiber
wait
true fable
mogul moves
ember bronze
Who needs a relationship other than Meg
edgy arrow
me
mossy zinc
Jealousy does not become you, commoners.
edgy arrow
i need all the relationships
mossy zinc
Don't hate on my pokémon just because they get better results than you.
@daring hedge do a barrel roll!
(He can't not do it. 
)
edgy arrow
ohh
i’ve been playing the game wrong
i thought i was supposed to get the clears myself
should’ve had a pokémon this whole time whoops
edgy arrow
Me: “... and remember, CF is bad for beowulf and you should never take it. Alright, ready for 60 heat?”
Pikachu: .... pika pika
patent isle
achilles spear hunting blades
gaunt fiber
Congrats
patent isle
ty!
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 
edgy arrow
congrats
gaunt fiber
Gourmet build too
mossy zinc
Me: “... and remember, CF is bad for beowulf and you should never take it. Alrig...
Umm... you're using your Pikachu wrong. Pikachu can't learn the skill Beowulf.
edgy arrow
oh rip
ember bronze
Achilles Hunting Blades is so good
edgy arrow
was wondering why he kept taking thunder flare
gaunt fiber
It's not so bad
One day, poseidon betrayed me
I had to take thunder flare on beo
Well I only died in Elysium
You know these runs when you try to pivot but nothing goes right
true fable
yes
gaunt fiber
Waste your rolls on poseidon, get nothing. Encounter Aphrodite, cast crossed out. Then Zeus appears and gives you a common cast
true fable
lol
gaunt fiber
well you take it
true fable
that was my third 57 heat attempt
gaunt fiber
Oh there's a 55 beo clear
mossy zinc
You can't work on Beocarry 57.
edgy arrow
wait what
mossy zinc
Beocarry does the work. You hold the controller. 
edgy arrow
when did this happen
gaunt fiber
Yeah
edgy arrow
pseudo?
edgy arrow
who then?
gaunt fiber
It was so fun
edgy arrow
huh neat
gaunt fiber
Magnil got to ask questions
bright mango
With lernie skelly tech
gaunt fiber
They went for a non miniboss first tunnel because
mossy zinc
They should submit their run to the high heat leaderboard.
gaunt fiber
"No idea on how the sack works I thought it was random"
edgy arrow
lmao
gaunt fiber
That's just incredible
edgy arrow
is there a vod of this
bright mango
yes
edgy arrow
i must inject it into my veins immediately
gaunt fiber
who is our chinese journalist basically
halcyon flame
i'm actually kind of liking fo2 now https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/828782088622309426/Hades_203.png
edgy arrow
thx pengy
mossy zinc
"No idea on how the sack works I thought it was random"
That sounds like a Tailesque thing. Does this player look like a Star Fox, walk like a Star Fox, or quack like a Star Fox?
halcyon flame
bt fox mccloud doesn't quack
gaunt fiber
They quack in chinese so no idea
mossy zinc
bt fox mccloud doesn't quack
You don't know that. You've been eaten by sacred crocodiles.
gaunt fiber
we have the numbers
ember bronze
I remember seeing--it's a 25% chance in each eligible room, but we don't exactly know what makes a 4 vs. 5 room hallway?
halcyon flame
You don't know that. You've been eaten by sacred crocodiles.
oh yeah, i'm supposed to be dead. sorry i forgot
ember bronze
is it 52% every tunnel after that too?
bright mango
No
ember bronze
Well, 2-3-4
gaunt fiber
is not it 54
ember bronze
do we know the distribution?
bright mango
is not it 54
Probably
gaunt fiber
I don't remember
bright mango
Someone has the numbers
gaunt fiber
Brain should sleep
bright mango
I know 5th tunnel is like a 5%
mossy zinc
ellomenop — 10/25/2020
Styx wings can be either 4 or 5 chambers long (including the final room). After 3 rooms, the end rooms (mini boss or combat + satyr sack) are added to the pool of eligible next rooms. This means you can simply roll the next room to be the miniboss or roll it to be a sack. Separately, for each room where the sack is an eligible next room, roll to see if the sack is forced. This forcing roll is the 25% chance I referenced in the last episode. That means that the second wing of Styx plays out like this:
- room 1
- room 2
- room 3
- roll for sack rng - 25% chance
- if succeed -> room 4 is sack
- if fail, roll for next room - 18% chance to get mini boss, 6% to get sack. 76% to get another small room- if room 4 was miniboss / combat chamber, wing is over
- if room 4 was a small room, then roll for sack rng - 25%
- if succeed -> room 5 is sack
- if fail, roll for next room - 75% to get miniboss, 25% to get sackConfusing huh? Overall this should be about a 54.4% chance to get 2 sack. "2 sack mentality" plays have the same odds.
bright mango
ember bronze
ok, so it's actually a 25% roll, a 6% roll, and then another 76%*25% roll
gaunt fiber
woops
ember bronze
in each hallway
mossy zinc
The Satyr sack can replace the last chamber of any tunnel in Styx after you finished the first tunnel.
It has roughly a 50% chance to appear in the second tunnel, and only a 5% chance to be in the last one.
Source: https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/generic-information/
bright mango
Lili is great
ember bronze
Hmm, the above logic gets you to 43%, not 54%?
1 - (1-0.25)(1-0.06)(1-0.76*0.25) = 0.43
Oh there are two 25% rolls in room 5?
mossy zinc
Take it up with ellomenop.
ember bronze
that's weird
mossy zinc
I don't care too much to even look at the math lol. It doesn't affect my decisions.
ember bronze
This is nice though, I should just read this
gaunt fiber
Oh there are _two_ 25% rolls in room 5?
It seems like it?
ember bronze
yeah
gaunt fiber
yeah that's how I understand it
bright mango
My logic is: if sack appears in tunnel 3:
Rage
Else:
Choke to dad
gaunt fiber
Just die in room 3
and let the game do its thing
Some people struggle with coin flips but it's not that hard
mossy zinc
Yeah, what coin the side lands on doesn't matter if you die first.
ember bronze
"Boons have a much higher chance to be rare or epic (but strangely, a smaller chance to be a Legendary or a Duo)"
Huh
So do we know how various increases to rarity affect legendary chance?
gaunt fiber
For minibosses rooms?
ember bronze
Any rarity upgrades (miniboss, Nectar, Chaos)
mossy zinc
+10% all of them.
ember bronze
how do the general "rare or better" upgrades impact legendary
gaunt fiber
+10% yeah
mossy zinc
Keepsakes, too.
gaunt fiber
But minibosses have like better rarity boons but less duo/leg chances
Something like 12% normally vs 10%
true fable
^
this is correct
minibosses will have much better rare/epic chances but slightly lower leg/duo chance
gaunt fiber
I still roll for duos on minibosses
gaunt fiber
Yeah
ember bronze
So miniboss rooms, the rare chance "crowds out" the leg/duo chance
But Nectars help your leg chance?
or is "rare chance" always bad if you're hunting a legendary
mossy zinc
This is accurate except it lists Call as having the same priority as Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash, and that's just not the case. https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llznpb/a_mostly_complete_guide_to_boon_choices_and/
true fable
we're not sure why its balanced like that
but yes hamlette everything else seems correct
rare chance cannot harm duo chances
ember bronze
Thanks for catching me up on all the theorycraft 😛
edgy arrow
it’s like 2%, you mostly don’t have to worry about it
it’s not like a substantial reduction in duo chances
ashen garnet
Everybody loses their mind over aspects being able to pick DC1/2, but it's only 2 heat whereas some can pick EM4 or AP/RI with some confidence 
true fable
it only really starts to make a difference if 1. your core boons are filled. 2. youre running gods pride. 3. you have rerolls
that 2% is per slot and accumulates with more slots or rerolls
edgy arrow
fair
mossy zinc
But you're also giving up on very good Epic boons often by rerolling for a Duo Boon, so it's not always the best idea to reroll a miniboss reward.
true fable
i only reroll miniboss if i absolutely need the duo and i have keepsake bonus
edgy arrow
Everybody loses their mind over aspects being able to pick DC1/2, but it's only ...
well yeah, there’s a reason everyone loves hestia despite the fact it’s one of the worst for DC2
ember bronze
Ok, catching up
true fable
for example if i have ME prereqs going into an athena miniboss
ember bronze
This post contradicts any idea that rarity boosts are ever bad for leg chance
true fable
if i have ares keepsake im rolling that once
not rolling it twice
they shouldnt be no
since leg/duo rarity is rolled first
ember bronze
So the bit I quoted from the website is wrong
This post does however, imply that legendaries crowd each other out, which I'd never thought about
true fable
miniboss bonuses are separate from yarn/refreshing nectar/keepsake bonuses
to be clear
mossy zinc
The reddit post I linked doesn't have the info for miniboss rewards.
true fable
legendaries and duos are rolled from the same pool yeah
ember bronze
If I really want Splitting Bolt, then being eligible for Lightning Phalanx is bad
true fable
yes
since its rolled per slot you can still be offered both
but its effectively cutting your chances
ember bronze
And, sorry, yes, the post doesn't specify anything about miniboss rewards
true fable
the way it works is that it rolls for rarity and then picks the boon
ember bronze
but legendary rarity being the first roll in each slot
true fable
so it would roll a legendary in slot 1
and then pick like
50% between lp and splitting
ember bronze
seems to make it really unlikely that 100% rare chance would interfere with legendary roll?
ashen garnet
This is accurate except it lists Call as having the same priority as Attack, Spe...
What's the difference about call priority ? Slightly lower % than other cores I guess ?
ember bronze
how do skull rewards work?
mossy zinc
Museus — 12/22/2020
Miniboss and Styx rewards have decreased duo/legendary chancesIn a normal chamber, boon rarities are:
- Legendary/Duo: 12% per slot
- Epic: 5% per slot
- Rare: 10% per slot
In a miniboss chamber, boon rarities are:
- Legendary/Duo: 10% per slot
- Epic: 25% per slot
- Rare: 100% per slot if in Tartarus, 90% per slot otherwise
Assuming your core boons are filled, and you do not have the corresponding god's keepsake equipped,
In a normal room, your chances of seeing a Duo/Legendary boon are 31.85% with Gods' Pride, and 52.56% with Gods' Legacy.
In a miniboss/styx room, your chances of seeing a Duo/Legendary boon are 27.1% with Gods' Pride, and 48.8% with Gods' Legacy.
When picking up a miniboss or Styx boon, with filled core boons, you are 15% less likely to see a duo/legendary with Gods' Pride and 7% less likely to see a duo/legendary with Gods' Legacy.
true fable
to be clear, this is any styx reward
shop and tunnels are indistinguishable as far as code is concerned
ember bronze
styx skull room or any room?
mossy zinc
What's the difference about call priority ? Slightly lower % than other cores I ...
I don't think Call has priority at all. But you can tell very easily it doesn't have the same priority as Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash because you're guaranteed to see one of those 4 if you don't have those 4 slots filled, but that doesn't include Call.
true fable
the 450 and 150 gold rewards are also indistinguishable from each other
true fable
styx skull room or any room?
any room
ashen garnet
I don't think Call has priority at all. But you can tell very easily it doesn't ...
Me neither from experience, but maybe there's some hidden condition
devout quiver
the 450 and 150 gold rewards are also indistinguishable from each other
My life is a lie 
mossy zinc
If you have Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash filled, you're in no way guaranteed to ever see a Call.
ember bronze
Huh. It's not the case that Styx skull hallways and 450s are like miniboss rewards, and non-skull hallways and 150s are like normal room rewards?
true fable
nope
ember bronze
And that matches my experience Nya
true fable
all treated like miniboss rewards
aside from the obvious double reward
for heart/pom/gold
ember bronze
only difference is rarity is floored to blue on the skulls/450s?
true fable
i think its 90% in elysium/aspho
mossy zinc
In a miniboss chamber, boon rarities are:
- Legendary/Duo: 10% per slot
- Epic: 25% per slot
- Rare: 100% per slot if in Tartarus, 90% per slot otherwise
ember bronze
Ok
trying to pull this together
rarity (after priority slots) is always rolled with legendary first, then epic, then rare
the base chances of each of those is different in miniboss rooms vs. other rooms
mossy zinc
Yes.
ember bronze
and changing the priority of one doesn't affect the others (except insofar as you might be less likely to cascade further down the chain)
bright mango
The bird has a graph
true fable
not sure how the base 10% replacement chance factors into all this but everything else youve said seems right
ember bronze
Does this (reddit post) mean Hermes leggos are 1% per slot without God's Legacy, and 11% per slot with?
mossy zinc
@daring hedge you used to be able to get exchanges for Calls, right? Because I don't actually recall the last time I've seen one, but I could swear I had some Call exchanges back in Early Access, at least. Or maybe you can only get them (anymore) if the god needs to offer exchanges to fill all three slots.
true fable
its sad
hermes epic chance is also gimped
as is rare chance
part of why gods legacy/gods pride/eury play such a large role in determining hermes decisions
mossy zinc
That's honestly the main reason so many players favor God's Pride.
Also why Refreshing Nectar is so good, yeah.
Aside from everything else it does.
ember bronze
yeah
Combined with the fact that all of the (early-designed?) Hermes boons scale powerfully with rarity
true fable
heroic RD 
ember bronze
Some of the later ones like Hyper Sprint scale in the normal kind of moderate way, but if you want like Greatest Reflex or Flurry Cast or something, rarity is everything
gaunt fiber
Especially quick recovery
true fable
heroic flurry cast is also incredible
you feather the button and your casts go flying into outer space
bright mango
Wait hermes has a 1% leggy chance without anything👀
true fable
yah
mossy zinc
And people think Lambent Plume for his legendaries is a good play.
halcyon flame
bad news though
true fable
i only do that if im running legacy
patent isle
oh yeah minibosses are much more likely to give duos/legendaries huh
if i dont have all the core slots filled out but have prereqs for a duo and come to a miniboss giving one of the corresponding gods for the duo, is it worth rolling for it or should a core boon just get taken if the duo isnt offered?
bright mango
They are not more likely
mossy zinc
patent isle
oh dang
wait just wondering how is the 7% less thing calculated
if it's 52.56% - 48.8%
edgy arrow
if i dont have all the core slots filled out but have prereqs for a duo and come...
duo/leg chances aren’t effected by priority slots either
patent isle
oh well
not their direct chances but their overall chance of showing is right? because priority slots take up slots that a duo or legendary could fill
edgy arrow
the chances for duos/legs are rolled before priority boons are forced, so theoretically you can roll 3 duos with no core boons filled
tho obviously that’d be absurdly unlikely
patent isle
well yea but isnt taking core boons a way to make it more likely to get duo/leg later on?
edgy arrow
no it won’t, that’s what i’m saying
patent isle
im so confused
true fable
it should im p sure
edgy arrow
i was talking to cgull about this before
true fable
since youll always be offered at least one core ohokwy
patent isle
i swear ive heard a lot of high heat players talking about how filling core boons can improve duo chance
patent isle
true fable
but they hve to all be full
edgy arrow
yeah cgull said he was pretty sure you could get 3 duos with a priority open
because the duo chance is rolled before priorities are forced
true fable
is this confirmed in code?
edgy arrow
the rule is actually “at least one common/rare/epic boon is priority” not “at least one priority boon period”
apparently
idk i’m just going on what cgull told me
i assumed he knew what he was talking about
true fable
cool
solemn pulsar
Fill them all
edgy arrow
haha fair enough
solemn pulsar
Before then no change
true fable
LOL
daring hedge
<@!164508146746785792> you used to be able to get exchanges for Calls, right? Be...
i honestly can't remember but i wouldn't doubt that it was possible for a time yeah
solemn pulsar
Copy and paste the boon
daring hedge
take launcher anyways and just hope for arty or aphro later lol
or maybe even take shackle into aspho actually
solemn pulsar
Launcher is just too tasty to pass up
Ooh I have to make a thumbnail for my run
Tomorrow
true fable
i might just start DF and reset for launcher
cgull
consider including some kind of mortar?
solemn pulsar
My idea is somewhat along those lines
true fable
either that or some olympic javelin photos might be fruitful
warm dagger
What's your average clear time?
edgy arrow
that’s easy TD2 then
add EM2 and UC for 8 ig
sounds like you can do TD3 then if you want
distant cradle
How long is that for td3?
edgy arrow
20 mins
distant cradle
Oh
Hmm
Cutting it close
Might just do td2 and em3
Maybe
Cause I'm using rama or beo
edgy arrow
yeah beo will crush EM3
distant cradle
Oki
edgy arrow
UC or MM might be easier but lots of stuff works at 8
if you have an idea of what you might be comfortable with start with that
distant cradle
Ok
devout quiver
just crank it to Fo2 
mossy zinc
TD3 is good practice for higher heats, anyway.
When you can do TD3 somewhat comfortably, that's always 6 Heat right there.
Or 3 Heat over TD2, anyway.
devout quiver
maybe TD3 eventually. According to my timer I still die to it sometimes though, if bad sac rng
Well, maybe not die, but it would have run out maybe every fifth run
honest kernel
its all just a matter of practice 
I salvaged freaking gilgamesh 4sack on TD3
and one of them was vermin
distant cradle
4 sack vermin was so bad
I got one on my first run with rama
So I had no idea what I was doing
mossy zinc
true fable
now its time for you to get on astaos' case about it
he hasnt submitted any of his recent 50s
think bow/fists may continue to be softblocked for me until my controller gets here
unique zephyr
maybe TD3 eventually. According to my timer I still die to it sometimes though, ...
I felt like this too before turning on TD3. Bad sack RNG is more rare than other sources of bad RNG, it’s just way more obvious. I made my room clears way more efficient, focusing on not whiffing my attacks, as well as doing speed runner stuff like choosing free rooms aggressively (im at the point now where I can judge based on timer). TD3 is much harder than TD2, and Tartarus and Elysium are the hardest areas timer wise. LC4 stubborn defiance also lets me room clear more aggressively than if I was using DDs
TD3 is vulnerable to sack RNG but the extra 3 heat helps me be less likely to die before I get to styx (and make the runs more pleasant for me personally by avoiding time extending pacts), which is still likely for me. Even though I’m not good at it yet I like TD3 gaming
At what heat does hell mode start to matter? 50?
unique zephyr
I meant when would hell mode be preferred when heat is being pushed because it gives you PL but you have to take CP1
celest grail
you can do 50 without hellmode as well, im attempting it rn, but i suppose that yeah 50 is probably the point where hellmode becomes a bit easier
mossy zinc
Get to it!
solar maple
I did hestia 50 on non hell mode because I liked the CP0 pact
generally I see the pacts as easier for non hell mode until 45-low 50s depending on the aspect
mossy zinc
I meant when would hell mode be preferred when heat is being pushed because it g...
Whenever you have to take CP1 and JS1 anyway.
Just one-shot sub 9 bow in my first run of the day. Good to see all that practice paying off. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/828894137209192448/Hades_2026.png?width=812&height=457
I didn't realize I had more bow clears than spear clears. But it feels accurate now that I see it lol.
19th place Hera. Hmm that's not too bad.
Ah, it shows obsolete runs, that's why. 20th place, yeah.
Anyway, top 20 is alright.
edgy arrow
nice!
gaunt fiber
Get to it! <:dusa:522248771409543188>
I'll try
edgy arrow
Just one-shot sub 9 bow in my first run of the day. Good to see all that practic...
did you force parting shot or was that a freebie? i’ve been flipping back and forth on shadow vs. fiery presence , because shadow seems better late game (especially with parting shot) but fiery speeds up early game a lot
guess i’m interested to know if you think going for parting is legit even with fiery or if that just randomly happened this run
solar maple
probably just randomly happened
gaunt fiber
Imo Hera does not need any duo
solar maple
mirage and smoldering are both pretty good though
gaunt fiber
Yeah sure
solar maple
tbh parting shot is the third best duo for hera
shy gulch
partings kinda whatever
if I see nat Athena I’ll try to get it but I never force a keepsake for it, and usually only spend 1 roll
the damage can get really high but only really useful for bosses
and you can scale your bossing in a lot of different ways
edgy arrow
makes sense
my runs with hera are pretty variable atm, so i’m definitely making some dubious decisions somewhere
mossy zinc
did you force parting shot or was that a freebie? i’ve been flipping back and fo...
I don't really reroll for Parting Shot. Fiery Presence is better. Parting Shot is great when you can pick up Blinding Flash for bosses, but for normal encounters, it really doesn't matter at all what direction you hit them from lol they just die.
edgy arrow
doesn’t surprise me that i’m probably overprioritising duos
yeah that makes sense
i think i’ve wasted time before going for backstabs when i would’ve one shot enemies anyway as well lol, which is obviously not great
or maybe i would’ve needed an extra cast to one shot them, but then they’d be dead and i’d get them both back so it doesn’t matter
mossy zinc
My priority on Hera is Crush Shot > Ravenous Will > Snow Burst.
edgy arrow
one of my better runs was hera with parting shot and it sounds like i’ve overestimated how useful it was to me
mossy zinc
Even if I get natural Lady Artemis or Poseidon in Tartarus.
edgy arrow
so you force demeter into asphodel usually?
oh that’s interesting
rav will and snow burst good it turns out
mossy zinc
Maybe if I get both + a 4th god in Tartarus, I'll go for Mirage Shot. But generally, I'll go for Ravenous Will > Snow Burst every time.
edgy arrow
guess i should know this from beo lol
honest kernel
mossy zinc
Though I might take Snow Burst over Ravenous Will depending on rarity.
edgy arrow
yeah common rav will is a lot worse
mossy zinc
But with good poms on Crush Shot, Ravenous Will will do better damage per Cast.
mossy zinc
I also reroll for at least rare Cast.
edgy arrow
zeus go brrrr
mossy zinc
https://gyazo.com/24c9c0c4cb3e8aa72fe0593859238f88 Yeet
Congratulations!
Also.
That's 6/6. 👸🏽 https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/828914576737304656/Hades_2033.png?width=812&height=457
edgy arrow
hmm kinda dubious of rerolling for rarity ngl
oh nice 6x sub 9
what a beautiful victory screen
mossy zinc
I just reset if I don't get rare or epic after rerolls.
hearty onyx
That reminds me, I still need to get a sub 15 on the sword
mossy zinc
Easily makes the difference between killing with one cast or killing with two casts and between not killing/phasing with all casts.
edgy arrow
i mean, i guess i can see it
particularly if you aren’t going fit duos so you don’t need rerolls for that
but idk if i’ll do it lol
just because it’ll add to the grind
mossy zinc
You can keep going for a bit if you get common or no Cast after rerolls and see how it goes in Tartarus, then go from there.
mossy zinc
Like you might get an early Rare Crop that can save the run.
Unrelated, Poseidon with Crush Shot + Tidal Dash sucks lol.
Unless you get Blown Kiss right before or after Tidal Dash.
gaunt fiber
yeah that's big I can confirm
mossy zinc
That pact looks good.
mossy zinc
Astaos 
can do basic arithmetic. No malfunctions. Good good.
mossy zinc
The best thing about Ares' Aid is that it can be sold.
honest kernel
I mean, that is a plus
gaunt fiber
I would say it is its main asset
mossy zinc
Did you reset for Epic Thunder Flourish for that run and just went with it once you got it?
honest kernel
no
That just happened to be the second run with AP1
First one I decided to roll with Zeus aid. Got a nat arty into special, but the rest of tart was slooooow
And then this run happened
mossy zinc
I had a good build in the run just before this one with Witches and Numbskulls everywhere in all the worst chambers lol.
And no free rooms.
honest kernel
I feel that
at 'least Aspho was cool with a late Eurydice. Can't say the same for Elysium, altho the enemies were good overall
Thankfully it was a 2-sack
This run was just a hyper delivery carry
mossy zinc
I got out of Asphodel at 3:51, then Elysium took 3m 3s lol.
gaunt fiber
⚔️ army rise up
mossy zinc
Oh yeah.
@hoary pasture you said sub 9 all weapons, so here. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/828914576737304656/Hades_2033.png?width=812&height=457
honest kernel
you're insane
honest kernel
mossy zinc
Just 1.
hoary pasture
oof
mossy zinc
Pretty much Double Edge or reset if you're speedrunning sword.
hoary pasture
Nah I just started a hell mode save for fun, not really speedrunning
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/828929049803096124/unknown.png Entering Elysium hoping for Twins or Triple lol
Now I guess not, gotta do with this
solar maple
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/828929166450753606/Screen_Shot_2021-04-06_at_2.47.58_AM.png 32 heat mirrorless nem wasn't too hard, but I cheated with hermes +dash
was getting a bit scared after the 4 sack, but normal styx rooms aren't nearly so bad with JS0
mossy zinc
Nice! Congratulations!
solar maple
now for 40 👀
not sure what I should do for the pact though
I could do FO2 HL5, but HL5 is scary
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/828929049803096124/unk...
Perfect Shot does more than Twin Shot in that build, anyway. Twin Shot is better for carrying over damage from armor to HP, though.
solar maple
oh wow just saw that all your weapon pbs are within 30s of each other
very well rounded
I've got over a min seperating mine
mossy zinc
But assuming all your shots are Power Shots, Perfect Shot with that Deadly Strike should be +367.9% on average, and Twin Shot would be +346%.
hoary pasture
I meant Twin or Triple as second hammer, then thought about asking here just to realize its just 1 hammer
mossy zinc
Not factoring in Strong Drink.
hoary pasture
Just got to heroes
solar maple
lol
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828345223180583002/828932738928738324/unknown.png its not looking too bad
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber submit your runs. 
gaunt fiber
lmao
My hestia 50 is actually double curse of drowning
I forgot about that, what a great run
patent isle
double?
gaunt fiber
I got it once and used it through asphodel
Then I got the special Poseidon and Ares dialogue in Ely but it got crossed out by AP2
But then it was unshakable mettle 
honest kernel
https://gyazo.com/c768994eefdbb990a9c9351436ea0443 Me and getting away with scuffed megs. Name a more iconic duo
That was from a different attempt in my 40 heat speedrun session
honest kernel
Honestly I probably still do it that way
There's no consistent 4 bomber setup
Since 2 of them will spawn at random locations, on any of their variants
And even then, the extra 2 will be out of your line of sight, so their patterns might as well be random. Easy for them to jump away, or stand still
Or, like in that gif, jump into the meg
gaunt fiber
Yeah I meant the 2 bombers meg
honest kernel
2 bombers meg is soo good
gaunt fiber
Since hitting 4 seems easier somehow
But when I do it's the same as you
random and it works
honest kernel
There has been a consistent setup for the 2 meg that's been spread around in the speedrunning discord
And that's the one I use
Usually have no trouble getting the 2 meg. It's just that I don't expect for it to hit all of the bombers on the MM variant LOL
solar maple
we've moved on from making fun of people for doing 3 witch meg
now we make fun of not doing 0 cycle power couple 👀
honest kernel
We aren't at that stage yet
We're at the "making fun of Wriste for trying to kickstart the strat" phase
Wait until a few peeps "actually" do the 0 cycle power couple first
mossy zinc
I just double dash, tilt my stick a bit, and summon lol. Hitting 3 is decent, I can do that most of the time, I think.
patent isle
0 cycle?
mossy zinc
Once, Meg was like "I should aim at the enemy that spawned right at the exit, parallel to the wall, the one farthest away from you that's now jumping towards you."
"Thanks, Meg!"
honest kernel
Basically, you time your summon and position yourself in a way that hits both the stomper as it is spawning, and the mega-gorgon
patent isle
nice
honest kernel
Risky because if you whiff, the stomper's out
With all it's armor
And also it's spawning position is random
Gotta adjust your meg alignment on the fly
solar maple
yeah what it is right now is just something wriste and bright try and miss half the time
honest kernel
It is a time save
Altho only really noticeable on bursty weapons
Or, specifically, cast weapons
There's also currently this weird bug with the mega-gorgon's movement speed being affected by framerate ?!?
honest kernel
It absolutely does
solar maple
my laptop gives free chill
honest kernel
Since you need to align meg on the fly
honest kernel
You don't meg immediatly
You wait for the stomper summoning circle to show up
In that time, the gorgon can shoot, or move
gaunt fiber
my laptop gives free chill
Combined with PL I'm not afraid to say you're the absolute cheater Pseudo
- the bed gaming
solar maple
I actually bought a desk for my room, but I still haven't set it up yet LMAO
mossy zinc
There's also currently this weird bug with the mega-gorgon's movement speed bein...
Ah yes, I saw that.
How much more difficult is my Megagorgon than the common Megagorgon? 
https://imgur.com/a/575OXqY
Is this why it teleports? It just actually moves faster than the eye can see? 
gaunt fiber
I actually bought a desk for my room, but I still haven't set it up yet LMAO
It will affect your power
honest kernel
How much more difficult is my Megagorgon than the common Megagorgon? <:squirtooh...
... oh boi I hope you like speedy gorgons
Becase yours' is ZOOMING
distant cradle
How much more difficult is my Megagorgon than the common Megagorgon? <:squirtooh...
Me.out here playing at 720p 40fps :(
dire steppe
How much more difficult is my Megagorgon than the common Megagorgon? <:squirtooh...
what kind of supercomputer do you have jesus christ
mossy zinc
Ryzen 5 3600 and an RX 590.
dire steppe
isnt 590 super old or am i getting the numbers mixed up
i thought the nvidias were on like 3080 or something now
also two gpus?
hoary pasture
yea but thats not an nvidia card
bright forum
anything that starts with rx is a Radeon card aka amd
hoary pasture
yes
bright forum
ryzen is also amd
bright forum
if it ain't broke don't fix it my boy
distant cradle
720p tho
dire steppe
i have a nvidia 960 lol
i just got paid today but honestly won’t buy new parts until my stuff breaks
bright forum
I don't think I've ever turned off vsync but I'm confident I'd run it close to how nyaanyaa runs hers at
2060 super speaking 🙈
mossy zinc
V-Sync adds input lag.
dire steppe
whats the point of 491 fps if your monitor can only do like 144hz
bright forum
b-b-but the flavor text says if things are looking fine don't turn it off 
bright forum
whats the point of 491 fps if your monitor can only do like 144hz
she just said my friend
dire steppe
to make the gorgons harder
dire steppe
gamer
solemn pulsar
https://i.imgflip.com/3gkvqj.png
Main advantage is that you get to make this face
hearty onyx
Disadvantage is that your bank account is empty
eager vortex
lernie is completely impossible for me on 50 heat beo
tried 9 times failed 9 times
I'm done with this aspect
mossy zinc
lol well it's 50 Heat.
bright mango
Why is guan yu so hard
I’m literally one shot to dad the entire time
What am I supposed to do
wintry berry
git gud
bright mango
mossy zinc
You see him a lot back at the House.
wintry berry
still training with EM4 ?
bright mango
No
Trying spear 45
Thought guan yu would be the best
But I throw at dad a bunch
mossy zinc
It is, naturally.
You're supposed to Throw a lot vs dad.
Special is good.
Achilles is probably the best spear at 45.
bright mango
Yeah I’m probably just going to do flurry or something
I went into the dad fight with 36 HP
bright mango
It’s guan yu
mossy zinc
I know.
You might want to get more Centaur Hearts.
Darkness chambers are also nice.
Plenty of opportunities to heal up before the fight, too, if timer is not an issue.
bright mango
Guan yu
eager vortex
great I killed lernie and had a blackout
someone up there doesnt want me to finish this
bright mango
What was your max at
116 or something
I don’t remember
Something around there
Wait or was it 108
Maths
Is splash dash start correct for achilles?
45
Also flurry isn’t showing up
bright mango
bronze viper
I typically start Deadly Strike?
I am terrible at achilles though, but the dash strikes already have decent AoE
celest grail
Also flurry isn’t showing up<:squirtmeh:456913427525402624>
combining the resets of speedrunning and the difficulty of high heat
lol
bright mango
I would do guan yu but game herd
bronze viper
You're doing 45 each wep I assume?
bright mango
Just trying spear
patent isle
Yeah I’m probably just going to do flurry or something
how do you guarantee a flurry?
bright mango
You can’t
patent isle
i see a lot of ppl talking about certain daedalus builds but it seems pure luck
since u cant roll
bright mango
I’ve reset 5 times already
bright mango
patent isle
bright mango
No it’s ap1
patent isle
thank hades
bright mango
I’m wondering if I just do em4 for AP0 and JS1
sleek nymph
personally i like FO1 or FO2 because i do better with it most of the time
since i can just dash as soon as i see an anticipation animation
patent isle
pengy prob already has FO1 on right
hoary pasture
hardcore casual afterall
sleek nymph
i once did a max hard labour run to see how i would get destroyed and uh that didnt go well lol
sleek nymph
You have to take it at 45
youre at 45 heat?? bro what the hell how
hoary pasture
lol
sleek nymph
lmaoo
sleek nymph
whats a good cast for hera aspect bow for EM3?
patent isle
i think crush shot is good for bosses
bright mango
Crush shot
sleek nymph
i think crush shot is good for bosses
why specifically bosses
just because of the sheer damage?
patent isle
yea its not as AoE as some casts i think
bright mango
Bcs you asked for bosses
patent isle
but high dmg
bright mango
Em3
sleek nymph
Bcs you asked for bosses
ahh right
okay thanks for the help ill try that run tomorrow
bright mango
Ok thank god flurry exists
bright mango
Yus
solemn pulsar
does DC negate fiery presence
Negates
shy gulch
yeah it’s pain
bright mango
4 zeus in a row and not a single jolted
patent isle
bronze viper
Those classic Thunder Dash, Heaven's Vengeance, Lightning Reflexes, High Voltage runs.
bronze viper
I learned the other day that Divine Flourish does not make your body a deflect box during the charge on Achilles lol
bright mango
gaunt fiber
Today I learned that dash nova gaming is not really good on Arthur 50
I got sacked once
And died in Hades phase 2 because an urn stayed forever on the ground
My build was heartbreak strike lv 2
So I'll get there
bronze viper
I have an EM4 practice save for Arthur now. Well, "Arthur". Smoldering Air, Hyper Delivery, level 7 Dio's Aid.
gaunt fiber
Arthur
bronze viper
In my defense I keep dying because I'm using the attack lol
unique zephyr
I remember when Arthur seemed busted at low heat, Now it’s too slow to hit anything lol
gaunt fiber
well it's certainly a rythm to get used to
bright mango
Astaos are you doing an em4 pact?
bronze viper
He is not
bronze viper
EM4 on Arthur sounds... like something lol
At least you could run RI0 AP1 TD3 EM4
And try high rolling Smoldering Air to death
gaunt fiber
Hell no
patent isle
for 32 heat, what should i take instead of DC2 on hestia?
unique zephyr
What’s your pact now
patent isle
my pact rn is HL5 LC5 CF2 JS1 EM3 BP1 MM UC FO1 TD2
true fable
or TD3
unique zephyr
Hestia is really safe
true fable
hestia fast
patent isle
its been a while since ive done FO2 but ill take it
good to get back in the swing
ty all!
patent isle
i switched out JS1 for FO2
true fable
BP2 is also fine yeah
bronze viper
I think BP2 introduces more problems than FO2 at that heat
unique zephyr
^
patent isle
i think the FO2 will help me practice attacks more than BP also
unique zephyr
BP2 has run ending combos
bronze viper
Since bossing is so comparatively easy on Hestia
patent isle
hestia generally is heartbreak or deadly right
bronze viper
Yeah
patent isle
for strike at high heat
is one of them better
if i have no AP2 to worry about and can choose
bronze viper
At 32? Not really. Smoldering Air vs. big damage
solar maple
I actually got hit so much because of FO1 vs asterius in my 32 mirrorless nem lol
messed up the shockwave I frame timings every time
bronze viper
But it's Nem. Nem can get hit from anywhere by anything at any time
solar maple
yeah I mean FO2 isn't easy, just for bosses I'm more used to FO2 haha
normal rooms FO2 is way harder
which I learned when trying 40 mirrorless 😦 (+HL5 + FO2)
patent isle
ty
solar maple
yeah they are both good
bronze viper
For Deadly Strike maybe consider Fiery Presence to make Tart/Asphodel smoother
though honestly that probably true regardless
solar maple
fiery good
true fable
yeah fiery good
patent isle
does ricochet apply the hestia damage?
bronze viper
Yeah
true fable
yes
solar maple
yes
bright mango
Yes
solar maple
lmao
bronze viper
Geez
true fable
ricochet/piercing/hazard bomb/cluster bomb are all A+ hammers
bronze viper
Rocket Cluster is still Rocket Cluster too.
bronze viper
I think Rocket by itself is slightly awk
bronze viper
Seeking Fire is surprisingly not the worst
At least with me, but I have like, a 50% hit rate with Hestia shots
true fable
seeking doesnt change the first shot
bronze viper
Oh, it doesn't affect the empowered shot? Lmao, hurray placebo
true fable
but it adds 10% so its better than flurry/delta/spreaad
hoary pasture
Why Ap over dc2
solar maple
DC stinky
true fable
hestia hates DC
bright mango
Why Ap over dc2
For what?
bronze viper
If you're running Shackle you're on AP2 so it's not like a selection lol
solar maple
no this is for achilles
bright mango
DC on hestia is🤢
unique zephyr
DC on Hestia sounds so awful
hoary pasture
I mean Pengy's clear yea
true fable
oh for achilles
solar maple
they are talking about achilles lol'
bright mango
Ohh
true fable
yeah achilles im not sure
hoary pasture
Achilles flurry can handle it cant it
bright mango
It’s a major time loss for me
true fable
though thats kind of a non sequitur
solar maple
did you start attack or cast?
bright mango
Especially tartarus
wintry berry
Now do 45 heat Arthur
bright mango
did you start attack or cast?
Splash dash
true fable
the real question is why JS3 over DC2
hoary pasture
Thats fair
solar maple
oh ineresting
true fable
i like JS1 DC2 better with zeus attack start
hoary pasture
Such an awesome hammer tbh
true fable
yeah my argument is mostly that zeus attack DC2 is better than tidal dash JS3 pre flurry
bright mango
Probably
You’re right
But I like splash dash a lot
But once you get flurry, neither JS or DC is a problem
And I hate DC
eager vortex
RI2>AP2
ok jk
(it is tho)
imo
what bright said is true
I think I'd prefer ap2 with hestia
and ri2 with chiron
one thing tho
ap2 is 6 heat
ri2 is 5
no sorry
AP2 is 5, RI2 is 4
so just remove ap2 from 50 heat and it becomes 45, good enough 4 me
bright mango
AP2 RI0
eager vortex
fo ?