#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 309

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:08 PM

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game complicated

vale bison Mar 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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Yeah, that's awesome

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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for sure

quartz mantle Mar 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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This game has a ton of depth

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:09 PM

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particularly in high heat the meta is still being developed

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:10 PM

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People told me Hestia is a scam

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My high heat carrier is already done shadegrief

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But yeah, if you plan to do high heat runs on one aspect, the journey is long

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If you plan to do the same on more weapons/aspects, the journey is veeeery long

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High heat section is actually a laboratory

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Most of the performances are kinda experimental

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:14 PM

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squirtheh

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:14 PM

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dio beo is experimental ? dusa

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Dio cast doesn't have hangover effect

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It's an imposter boon

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:15 PM

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hestia best aspect period

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:16 PM

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hestia best aspect semi colon

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beowulf more fun aspect

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period

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asterisk

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I'm a simple man

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:17 PM

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the above is a subjective opinion

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period again

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:17 PM

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I like chiron and hestia best period

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beo too complicated for simple man

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:17 PM

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that's fair

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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(except that time I got scintillating feast with it, that was fun)

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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beo feels kinda straightforwards to me, but i think it only feels that way because i've put a lot of time into it

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the other aspects feel more complicated lol

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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Beo go boom boom

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People die

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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^^^

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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ezpz

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:18 PM

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yus

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:19 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/826460460550324305/hadesss47.png

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:19 PM

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nice

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ice wine is a bit of an oof

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but it worked out

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:19 PM

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somehow

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Yeah ice wine adds a delay

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for beo/hera

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And infernal also bad

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:19 PM

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also pengy

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I beat 50 heat

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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NO WAY

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LETS GO

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welcome to the club

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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nice!

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50 big number

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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gamer moment

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:20 PM

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zaglol

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posted screen in victory

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:24 PM

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@eager vortex you should try using shackle with hestia

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It makes it more consistent

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And you don't have to keep giving up

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:25 PM

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shackle for tartarus ?

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or like the whole run ?

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:25 PM

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If you don't get an attack boon, the whole run

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it helps practice hestia

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With no defensive keepsake

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And its way more consistent

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:25 PM

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you kinda just run shackle until you get a good attack, if you can find one

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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I can still aim for divine dash tho

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right

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:27 PM

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well kinda

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You have to keep shackle on

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And take whatever you get

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I found it to be so much better than resetting for an attack boon

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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divine dash is hella inconsistent on AP2 anyway

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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hestia was prolly the easiest 50 right

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wonder if I can do chiron

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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yeah

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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sigh

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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Well chiron 50 is hard

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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chiron drops off pretty sharply past 32 imo

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:28 PM

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But if you keep giving up for deadly flourish you might be able to make it work

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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well what is the easiest aspect for 50 after hestia

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should I use rama

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Chiron has a harder mechanic than Hestia + less flat DPS

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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Beo?

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beo is good

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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its one of the easiest weapons for 32, mid pack for 40 and then very hard for 50

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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oh come on you know I don't like beo

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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rama is hard

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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oh no a beo hater

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sadge

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:29 PM

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shadegrief

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:30 PM

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my first 32 was with hestia too

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it has special place for me nao

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Be careful Painkakke, the beo clan is huge

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Wondering if I should summon everyone

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bad idea

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:30 PM

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am I not allowed to like beo

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I mean not like beo

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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yes, as proven beo is for nerds

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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beo is for nerds ye

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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High heat is for nerdz

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:31 PM

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like 50% of the folks in this chat nerds tho

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if not more

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:32 PM

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It's time to not deny the truth, beo or not squirtdevious

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:32 PM

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@eager vortex before you try and do other aspects at 50, try and do a hestia 50 run with shackle. Having a seeded attack boon at the start gives you an advantage, and its worth learning to play with the minimum

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:33 PM

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honestly just give me hazard bomb with hestia and I'll do it again no problem

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:33 PM

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"learn to play with the minimum"

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:33 PM

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but

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struggles

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:33 PM

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overcome those struggles squirtyay

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other aspects become easier once you can beat a 50 run without a defensive keepsake

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And with bad stuff

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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so I need to get out of my comfort zone to git more gud

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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lol high heat players are divided into two categories; folks who just wanna get clears and folks who wanna get good and will deliberately make things unnecessarily hard in order to do so

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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squirtmeh

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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both approaches are valid imo

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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You mean tooth/acorn? @bright mango

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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yeah

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or athena

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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mirrorless or bust

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:35 PM

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I heavily rely on athena dash and acorn yep

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not just for 50

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for 32 and 40 too

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:36 PM

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yeah you should be able to get to a point where you are comfortable without divine dash

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Tbh I feel like divine dash is only good for DD's

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It only protects you from witches

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:36 PM

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divine dash isn't quite as good as it feels

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yeah

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like, its great

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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and it's all that matters

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those witches

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I hate them

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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but greatest reflex will honestly protect you more outside of asphodel

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Poison rats shadegrief

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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also

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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also divine dash is so rare with ap2

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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satyrs become a non-issue

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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^

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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with divine dash

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Wait satyrs are a problem

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:37 PM

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satyrs are always a non issue if you deal enough damage

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#beo

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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The only time styx is a problem for me is if I get 3/4 sacced

quartz mantle Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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All enemies are a non issue if they're dead

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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At the end rooms

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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thanthink

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Divine dash allows me to oneshot witches in Ely

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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^

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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yeah but elysium witches are already one shot

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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ye basically lol

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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I knew it, we can't have a decent tchat with beo players

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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if you need to work to kill elysium witches you're prolly gonna time out

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:38 PM

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and shackle fixes that

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squirtyay

quartz mantle Mar 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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spice lava I knew it, we can't have a decent tchat with beo players

Sorry have you tried just killing your enemies instantly?

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It helps trust me

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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spice lava I knew it, we can't have a decent tchat with beo players

its true sadly

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:39 PM

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@eager vortex your 50 clear is without divine dash

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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bright mango <@!216628558469136385> your 50 clear is without divine dash

I know

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but you know

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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actually wait yeah

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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how hard I tried to get it ?

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:40 PM

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So why do you need it?

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I got divine dash on my 50 by accident

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Lol

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I wasn't trying to get it

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I just got it in a styx tunnel

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:41 PM

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"Hestia+shackle, 300dmg, Hades 17k hp... ok I just need 57 empowered shots to take down P1"

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:41 PM

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during my previous try

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I got it

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but ran out of time

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I thought about picking up athena keepsake for styx to get divine dash

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Wait don't do that

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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but then I thought

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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bad idea

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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not worth it

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Shackle is a lot of damage

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Like with my first try with shackle, I made it to the heroes. It's so consistent

eternal hare Mar 30, 2021, 2:43 PM

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shackle hestia's lack of reliance on hammers and boons is incredibly valuable indeed

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I play Hestia with poseidon/dio starter now, it's my goal of the week squirtdevious

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I daresay

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poseidon is so bad on rail

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I value poseidon dash over divine dash on hestia

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Even at high heat

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:44 PM

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I tried using poseidon attack on eris

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and it was so slow

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:45 PM

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well the attack sucks for everything

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Exactly, I'm trying Hestia DC2 atm so I want a good dash to start squirtdevious

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:45 PM

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hestia DC2

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waht

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:45 PM

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also pengy I used your heat setup

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if you noticed

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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yeah

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/826157559307042848/unknown.png

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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it just works

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Without other damage source, it's pew pew reload PEW

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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I think for my 51 hestia I'm going to do JS3

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I hate CP2 so much

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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I'm trying cgull tips squirtdevious

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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spice lava Exactly, I'm trying Hestia DC2 atm so I want a good dash to start <:squirtdeviou...

😱

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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cp is disaster

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prefer js always

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Also easy leaderboard access squirtdevious

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Since everyone is doing 50

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One step ahead

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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not everyone

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I don't see many victory screens with 50

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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^

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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except retrash he keeps posting 55+

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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he means everyone here lol

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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I'm talking about the speedrunning discord

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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them too

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Tailesque Hestia 50+ when ? dusa

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:47 PM

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For the end of the week summary

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:48 PM

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lotta people grinding 50s and not many folks going higher

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50 is painful enough lol

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Exactly

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One step ahead squirtdevious

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Hestia is a meta pick

eternal hare Mar 30, 2021, 2:48 PM

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I did my 50 hestia like two weeks ago but I'll probably revisit it again sometime later this week

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just for aotw

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Hadesprof, Tailesque, Retrash, Baj etc. are players over 9000

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:48 PM

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I'm thinking about doing seeded 60 hestia just to see how it goes

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seeded as in

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there is a mod that changes your starter right

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:49 PM

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yeah

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Yeha

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:49 PM

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I'ma pick hazard bomb

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Idk 60 is DC territory

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Thats rough

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:49 PM

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would 60 be RI3 no DC

wintry berry Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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No DC but RI3

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Yeah 60 Hestia is DC2 or 1 dash run

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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if you really wanted to you could run DC0

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Both suck

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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yeah

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for sure

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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Also @eager vortex if you're doing a seeded start, instead of giving up and being able to learn tartarus, just use the mod and roll the seed

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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em4 is impossible for 60 right

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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i think i'd rather have 1 dash on hestia

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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it would be 59 without em4

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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So that everything is still mostly random

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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wait no

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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although it is EM4 lmao

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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64 is max right ?

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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one dash no shield EM4

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yeah

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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how many heats em4 gives

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4 ?

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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4

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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4

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:50 PM

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okay then 60 without em4

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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um

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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works no

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Still bad idea

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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that

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is RI4

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Lol

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You could route it

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idk

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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well yes mirrorless

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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yeah have fun

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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i mean honestly do it

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if it sounds fun to you

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Nope, means DC2 + mirrorless is you take out EM4

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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nobodies done high heat hestia routes yet to my knowledge

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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you know when I first tried 50 I went mirrorless

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it wasn't THAT bad

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:51 PM

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57 is highest

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although crepes did 56 no em4

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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yeah why not do 58 to start honestly

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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And that was RI3 iirc

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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that way you can have 2 dashes and no DC at least

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Mirrorless + DC2 while still facing TD3

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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yike

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time to seed blade dash ig

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Its still going to be extremely hard even if you seed it

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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bright mango Also <@!216628558469136385> if you're doing a seeded start, instead of giving up...

oh you can reset the whole seed without starting the run ?

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:52 PM

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yeah

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Roll seed

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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okay

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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so that it keeps things random

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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its definitely going to be extremely hard

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do it anyway if you want

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don't let us tell you what to do

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:53 PM

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yea I'm just curious how many floors I'll last

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suicide run kinda

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:54 PM

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yeah that's fair

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its kinda fun

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i was doing 45 heat GY just before, which is kinda the same thing lol

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i can't get past lernie

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Even with SD runs die at Tartarus

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So without it...

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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have you guys ever accidentally killed yourselves while trying to regain hp with sd

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I am not the only one right

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right

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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I have

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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yeah nah its happened to everyone i'm pretty sure

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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okay good

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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I might have some tips if I can clear Hestia 52 DC2 squirtdevious

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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i did it to lernie

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After I finished

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:55 PM

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i haven't done it in a while, but i used to do it all the time

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"better suicide in this room.... oh"

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:56 PM

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also something else

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I wanted to kill myself with elysium traps right

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to regain hp

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but I had athena's trap resist

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it was also great

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:56 PM

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lmao

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I was on td3

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:56 PM

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yeah that's always kinda funny

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oh dear, guess i'll one v. one this egg to death for 5 minutes

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yeah its usually not worth waiting around in that case; suicide in the final wave becomes more important

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:57 PM

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one thing hs is good for

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you can replenish hp fast

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:57 PM

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yeah lowkey a qol increase

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 2:58 PM

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I can't always predict when a wave is gonna end

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so at times I am left with 1 hp in a room with no active traps

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 2:59 PM

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yeah i'm not that great at it either

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you can kinda get a feel for it, but if you're often switching aspects and changing JS up and down like i am rn it can get harder to predict

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:00 PM

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been a while since I last used dd

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I am very used to having sd now

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lol my shackle is just level 1

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I'ma do some heatless runs to lvl it up I guess

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 3:06 PM

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yeah

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took me a while to level it up

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I just did boonless runs

solar maple Mar 30, 2021, 3:08 PM

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finally won on 50 with charged shot

edgy arrow Mar 30, 2021, 3:11 PM

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nice

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charged shot good but also bad

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:52 PM

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chain shot or perfect shot on rama ?

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gotta choose 1

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 3:53 PM

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I'd take Perfect Shot personally

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:53 PM

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oki

eternal hare Mar 30, 2021, 3:53 PM

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perfect shot without a doubt

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 3:56 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/826483780318789653/unknown.png

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@bright mango @solar maple

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 3:56 PM

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rip

solar maple Mar 30, 2021, 3:56 PM

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rip indeed

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 3:57 PM

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I'll probably gonna retry at 52

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 3:59 PM

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but dc tho

spice lava Mar 30, 2021, 3:59 PM

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Yeah, Hestia is aspect of the week but it's kinda my main aspect so redoing classic 50 is not that interesting for me

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:22 PM

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I have so much fun with rama at heatless and feel untouchable

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yet in 40 I suck with it

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shadeembarassed

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prolly fo2

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/826495162468925470/aa.png

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lets goooo

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:39 PM

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You beat it?

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Waht

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Goodluck

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:39 PM

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bright mango You beat it?

nah, that's my goal

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:39 PM

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Ok

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It’s doable

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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You got this! bouldy

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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But watch out for em4

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It will slap you

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Even if you have a perfect build

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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I'm thinking if I should seed for hazard bomb

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or not

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Shackle bouldy

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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yep its max level now

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:40 PM

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Ok nice

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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this'll take some tries but I think it can be done

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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You don’t need hammers for hestia

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Em4 is a sleeper

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You have no idea how hard it is until you get there

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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either that

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or I go mirrorless

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so

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:41 PM

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Idk

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Practice em4

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Have you done em4 + fo2 before?

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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nope

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Just that combo alone is hell

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:42 PM

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thanthink

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question

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should I avoid all attack/sp boons

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cuz shackle

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I dunno how it works exactly

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:43 PM

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If it’s good take it

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That means you can get rid of shackle

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:43 PM

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well ap2 kinda forces you to take it

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even if it sucks

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Yeah it’s fine tbh

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Above 50% bonus is decent

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Actually wait you’re doing JS3 EM4 TD3

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Shackle is good

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Crepes beat 56 with shackle the whole run

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 4:48 PM

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attacks you don't want on hestia are ares/poseidon/zeus/dionysus

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anything else is fine

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special isn't going to be a huge part of your kit, so take whatever on it unless you get rocket/cluster/hazard

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in which case same rules as attack

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:51 PM

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oki

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I got through tart with 50 secs to spare lol

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but I am not rly happy with my build

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hmm

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:51 PM

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@eager vortex if you seeded your 50 hestia, 55 hestia unseeded is going to quite hard

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Try beating 50 first unseeded

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:51 PM

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I didnt seed 50

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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ye

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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unless

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giving up

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to try again is seeding

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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You gave up with aphro attack

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at the start

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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yes

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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yeah thats considered seeding

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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ahh but that's such a weak seed

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:52 PM

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it is?

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Just an attack boon at the start is so powerful

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Lets you take athena, defensive keepsake etc

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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honestly I prefer shackle now

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it's great for start

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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at the start its good

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But its scary at elysium/hades since you don't get a defensive keepsake

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:53 PM

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yea I guess I lowkey seeded aphro attack

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Well giving up is more powerful than seeding since you know whats in the next chambers as well

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:54 PM

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no the next chambers change

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it's not the same

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:54 PM

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They normally stay the same

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unless you randomly cast/summon/break pots

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 4:55 PM

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I'm very sure I got different chambers

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:55 PM

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yeah so you probably broke some pots or something

waxen relic Mar 30, 2021, 4:55 PM

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There's a bunch of Shades running around in the first chamber

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:55 PM

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that also changes rng

waxen relic Mar 30, 2021, 4:56 PM

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so getting through it with the same increment isn't that consistent

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:56 PM

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I've tried like bootleg routing, but its hard

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 4:56 PM

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You can get it to be consistent

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As long as your real time timing is

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:57 PM

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hey baj

waxen relic Mar 30, 2021, 4:57 PM

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yes, but it was about unintended "routing" of the second chamber or sth

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 4:57 PM

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oh that

waxen relic Mar 30, 2021, 4:57 PM

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what was discussed

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 4:57 PM

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I don't think it would be that hard to have unintended routing

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Even for chamber 1

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:58 PM

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If I try and route, I can normally get the first 4 chambers to stay the same and stuff

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But thats just me messing around

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 4:58 PM

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The only real way to not intentionally route is to not increment the RNG between rooms

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Like breaking pots and stuff

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 4:59 PM

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Throwing casts and calls, mainly

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But pots count too

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And so do shades

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Even then, you could technically get a seed with a hell of a start without any increments

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 4:59 PM

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chamber 1 is fairly inconsistent anyway

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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wdym?

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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like if you're not clearing chamber 1 the exact same way each time

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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As long as you hit the right chamber 1

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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down to like a half second or so

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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And get lucky enough to know what lies ahead

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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then you get a different seed

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and you're off route

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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interesting

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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baj how often would you say you were able to hit chamber 1

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after lots of practice

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on your route

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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About 50-60% of the time

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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So like if I randomly cast in the middle of the fight, it would be different?

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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yeah it's not easy

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no

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anything during fight doesn't count

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only after doors unlock

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I'd say consistent enough.

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But definitely not easy

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It's first chamber after all

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dusa

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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solemn pulsar only after doors unlock

So if I pause for a second after the door unlocks, the rng changes?

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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no

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only certain actions increment RNG

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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oh

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Right

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Filter

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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it's just that in chamber 1, tartarus midshop, and bouldy room, the increments go without your input

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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Pausing won't do much

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:01 PM

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so those chambers will throw you off

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without precise timing or other strategies

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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lesson learned : never take chaos gates in ap2

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:02 PM

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solemn pulsar it's just that in chamber 1, tartarus midshop, and bouldy room, the increments g...

ok yeah thats what I was talking about

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For chamber one any pausing and stuff would change things right?

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By pausing I don't mean the pause menu

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Doing nothing, or being stuck in the boon/hammer selection will increment the RNG, because the shades still move around

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Ok

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interesting

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routing 101

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Each time a shade wants to move to a new location, the RNG method is called

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To determine where

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Granted most of it isn't even needed

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But it still happens

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I just fixed the aphro attack, didn't intend to route rest of the run

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I don't even know how

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makes me wonder

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all those times I kept giving up instead of dying

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means they were all seeded

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damn

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squirtmeh

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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Did you do it for speedruns?

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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but I kept giving up even tho I didn't like the first boon

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I did it cuz my streak was high

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and I wanted to keep it lol

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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oh lol

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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yeah as soon as you start recording unseeded runs you stop caring about your streak lol

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:12 PM

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yup lol

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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if you're not recording + uploading to leaderboards anywhere, seeded vs unseeded is just an ego thing

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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^^^

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Doing seeded runs makes me feel guilty for some reason

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Even though I can't record

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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I shoulda recorded the 50

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even tho it kinda lags my game

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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yuh

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:13 PM

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would go into seeded category tho

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still, 50

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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you can try to adjust the recording to make it lag less

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by recording in lower quality

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what are the specs on your PC?

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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1060 6gb, i5 8500

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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and what program are you using to record

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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uhhh

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no program really

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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how are you recording it?

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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it's this

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nvidia whatever

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what was it

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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that PC should have 0 issues recording hades

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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geforce experience

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:14 PM

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yeah that should be fine

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what resolution/FPS do you play hades at

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:15 PM

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60

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1080p

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:15 PM

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you could try tweaking settings so it's only recording at 30 fps or 720p or something

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:15 PM

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idk it stutters a bit

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pengy saw my failed eris sub10

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so I can definitely record but

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yea the game stuttered

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I'll try that

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:16 PM

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you could also try using OBS to record

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I have no idea of how it fares VS geforce experience though

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in terms of resource usage

solar maple Mar 30, 2021, 5:17 PM

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I record with obs on potato quality

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:17 PM

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I need to die in order to record unseeded right

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squirtmeh

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:17 PM

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the recording must show a death, and cannot quit out of the game from the moment of previous death to the moment of clear

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and showing victory screen

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:17 PM

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oki

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:18 PM

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well it can show previous clear too

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if youre very attached to your streak

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:18 PM

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I was

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not anymore

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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ok

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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I ruined my streak on purpose actually cuz

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people kept congrulating me for something I haven't achieved

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I kept explaining and it got tiring

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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check the rules on either the spreadsheet or src for a general idea of whats necessary

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:19 PM

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I mean why even keep your streak if you can't own up to it

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just a number

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so yea

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just reached ely in 55 heat with no seed so I think I can do 50 unseeded

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not 55 cuz I am 99% sure I will fail em4

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 5:21 PM

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true fable well it can show previous clear too

yeah that's a death

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:22 PM

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yes, but thats confusing lol

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 5:41 PM

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yall left out the part where hadesprof didnt start zeus attack on 55 zag fists and skipped midshop

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and ran ruthless reflex

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this run is wild if yall havent seen it

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 5:43 PM

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https://imgur.com/KtG4ulY

Imgur

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Almost!

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20% hp dad

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:44 PM

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3 sack squirtyay

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 5:46 PM

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ofc when I am recording I get zero free rooms and run outta time

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when I am not recording I kill meg with 1 min to spare

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I basically have to record all of the runs until one of them works

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squirtmeh

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kinda annoying

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also that's great

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I could never reach styx in 50 with beo the meme aspect

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 5:47 PM

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eager vortex I basically have to record all of the runs until one of them works

yes

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rule n°1 : always record

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 5:59 PM

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reaching styx with beo isn't a problem

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Kinda

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Because em4 makes the rest of the game easier

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Buuuuut

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em4 is a problem

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 6:00 PM

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well

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yeah ok

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that checks

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 6:14 PM

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true fable yall left out the part where hadesprof didnt start zeus attack on 55 zag fists a...

What was the start keepsake?

dire steppe Mar 30, 2021, 6:15 PM

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wtf happened to this chat after i quit hades

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these days it seems like everyone can do 50 heat

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when i get my new mouse i'll try playing hadadada again

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 6:16 PM

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thunder signet

dire steppe Mar 30, 2021, 6:16 PM

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he started zeus but not zeus attack?

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WTF

patent isle Mar 30, 2021, 6:16 PM

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does LC4 negate things like draining cutter/guan yu spin?

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 6:16 PM

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no

dire steppe Mar 30, 2021, 6:17 PM

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does draining cutter work on switch now

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since switch is like 6 months behind on patches

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 6:19 PM

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switch is not 6 months behind, switch is a couple of small patches behind

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switch s hould be current with 1.37

waxen relic Mar 30, 2021, 6:22 PM

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dire steppe he started zeus but not zeus attack?

AP2 Zeus Cast and he kept going

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 6:23 PM

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took a zeus miniboss instead of midshop

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to get attack

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 6:28 PM

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Zeus cast good

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 6:29 PM

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amazing

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 6:29 PM

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It's spelled gud.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 6:29 PM

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got 4 sack and ran outta time

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all I have is an useless 5gb video

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sighhhh

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I'm taking a break

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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You don't need to record at high quality if it's just for the leaderboard.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 6:30 PM

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just want to prove I can do it without seeding the first boon

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damn I was pretty lucky

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have you seen my victory screen of 50 nyaanyaa

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it's all aphro you'd be proud

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 6:32 PM

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it was an em4 pact

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lmao

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em4 with one dash

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

#

eager vortex got 4 sack and ran outta time

are you doing 55 heat?

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

#

50

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unseeded

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 6:34 PM

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oh ok

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Nice

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 6:35 PM

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I'm ashamed to say

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I died to lernie earlier

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that was a sad moment

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I'm trying to use the shackle

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all the way to the end

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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You don’t have to lol

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Just until you get an attack boon

solemn pulsar Mar 30, 2021, 6:39 PM

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50 heat WR is shackle or bust

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 6:43 PM

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eager vortex have you seen my victory screen of 50 nyaanyaa

I have! Congratulations! 💕

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:02 PM

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thanks

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squirtnya

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:02 PM

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bright mango Just until you get an attack boon

literally never happens

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:02 PM

#

yeah I feel you

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:02 PM

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not true

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you get common curse of agony sometimes

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:02 PM

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just ran out of time at asterius

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damn it seems you were right

#

that aphro atk really did carry me

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

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like

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the miniboss?

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

#

true fable you get common curse of agony sometimes

Or drunken strike

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:03 PM

#

squirtmeh

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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trust me learning shackle is worth it

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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it is

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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it makes 50 more consistent

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You don't have to reset for an attack boon

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:04 PM

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I'm tempted to seed the starter again to finish it but

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already done it

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:05 PM

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being able to beat 50 with no defensive keepsake it a big gamer moment

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

#

I used acorn earlier right

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

#

i think so

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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yep

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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i think in my 50

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i got an attack boon

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but forgot to take off shackle anyway

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lol

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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you beat 50? congrats

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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oh come on I am okay at this game but not great

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I can't do that

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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me or painkakke?

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

#

painkakke

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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hey 50 is a huge achievement with or without a seeded start

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:06 PM

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yeah thanks

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I kinda seeded the starter tho

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

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I already know that buncha others beat 50 too dw

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

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no need for impostor syndrome here

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

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50 Heat is probably a lot less than 0.1% of Hades players.

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

seeded start is still a 50 heat clear

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

^^^

#

still mad impressive

#

Since 50 is extremely hard

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

yeah and people often reset for decent starts anyway

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

honest kernel yeah and people often reset for decent starts anyway

yeah this was my strategy

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I just reset for an attack boon

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And it eventually worked

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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plus I got achilles's boyfriend that was also pretty lucky

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forgot his name now

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dusa

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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thats pretty pog as well

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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patrolous or something

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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patrocolus

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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call him pat

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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I nearly said

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theseus

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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His boyfriend was lucky?

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:08 PM

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lmao

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:09 PM

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oh no

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Theseus

#

Does not belong near achilles

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:09 PM

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mossy zinc His boyfriend was lucky?

nah I was lucky but his bf is also lucky I guess cuz dating achilles

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:09 PM

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well they're not exactly dating

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But you could call it that

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Its more deeeeeep

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:09 PM

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they are lovers

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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they were roommates

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

#

obvious

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

#

smile

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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I should be able to do 50 with some grinding too since I did 45 already

#

its just idk more grindy

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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yeah!

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Go for it Toffel!

#

You got it

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:10 PM

#

its sort of like

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grindy

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

#

it's just 45 with ap2 annoyance

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

#

but also it feels like you have to make the most of the tools youre given

#

if that makes any sense

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

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yeah it makes sense

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:11 PM

#

youre doing the same run, you just have to do it with fewer things

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

#

it hurts when you get rare aphro attack but it's cancelled out

#

so u gotta pick the common dash

#

shadegrief

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

#

you could also take em4

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

#

Passion Dash is the best dash.

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

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It makes 50 less grindy

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/826534421817065492

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:12 PM

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em4 big scare

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:13 PM

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honestly I'd rather ap2 than em4

#

I think

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:13 PM

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yeah em4 means you make it to dad more often

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:13 PM

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https://tenor.com/view/why-not-both-why-not-take-both-gif-11478682

Tenor

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:13 PM

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squirtmeh

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:13 PM

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yeah I do both

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em4 + ap2

#

RI0

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM

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very simple answer 4 that

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I'm not good enough

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM

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it already took me a lot of time to be able to do maxy kindof consistently and then sgg just drops hades+

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Its either em4 + ri2 or em4 + ap2

#

I prefer the latter

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM

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RI is fine

#

as long as it's RI2

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:14 PM

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honest kernel it already took me a lot of time to be able to do maxy kindof consistently and t...

In my game, EM4 does not exist. dusa

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:15 PM

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im used to RI2 thats ok to me ye

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:15 PM

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RI0 feels so nice

#

Dark foresight and rolls are just so pog

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:15 PM

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you can also

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dc2 cp2 ap0

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em3

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:15 PM

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have fun

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:15 PM

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I hate cp and ap equally

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:16 PM

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oh yeah dc2 is free for me bc I wanna play rama anyway

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:16 PM

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For doing a 51 hestia clear, do you guys recommend JS2/CP1 or JS3/CP0?

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I'm leaning towards JS3

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:16 PM

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js3 cp0

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:16 PM

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I recommend you do whatever you prefer.

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:16 PM

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or I could go gamer and do 52

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

#

At 51, you shouldn't be asking questions like that. dusa

#

52 is the real answer, yes.

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

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how about I try 53 hehehe squirtdevious

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

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thats even more gamer

#

idk if I could

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

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RI3 DC2 AP0 CP0

#

hmmmmmmmmm

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

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nope

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

#

thanthink

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:17 PM

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or I could go em4 stonks

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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honest kernel how about I try 53 hehehe <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>

You'd be #1 on the High Heat Women's Leaderboard. shadeohboy

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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exactly!

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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I'd have to step up my game!

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Oh no!

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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there are leaderboards

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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I consistently time out during the Heroes fight, I can still win when it's counting down but after that I pray for 2 sack

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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for each gender ?

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thanthink

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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not officially

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:18 PM

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For pos sword I just have trouble staying safe while not timing out and I focus on playing it safe a bit more

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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but nya likes to keep track of the female high heat players

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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like I didn't lose my SD but just barely

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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You could just go arthur

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+50 health is huge

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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Isn't arthur even slower

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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No

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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arthur is great for 32

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imo

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:19 PM

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atleast not in my experience

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Its damage is great

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decent aoe

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do you have a vod of your poseidon run

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:20 PM

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No, my next run I'll make a vod

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:20 PM

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ok

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Ping me

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when you post it

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:21 PM

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oh no I got tiny vermin

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:21 PM

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High Heat Women's Leaderboard

Nyaanyaa | 52
Toffel | 45
Lady Aphrodite | 32

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:21 PM

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wait

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lady aphrodite is actually someone ?

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:21 PM

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yes

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courtenberry@twitch

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check her out

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say hello

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:22 PM

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https://www.twitch.tv/courtenberry

Twitch

courtenberry - Twitch

Voice actor, improviser, and washed-up star of an animated TV series that lasted 5 episodes. These days, I voice Dusa and Aphrodite in the rogue-like RPG Hades from Supergiant Games (and also voiced Ti'zo in Pyre), and perform improv at The Second City and Upright Citizens Brigade Theater in LA.

▶ Play video

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This is Lady Aphrodite. 💕

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:22 PM

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She's the voice actor

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Yeah, Lady Aphrodite voices courtenberry. Excellent performance. 💕

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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what

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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dusa

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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what

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dusa

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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she's the actual voice actor of aphro ?

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I'm confused

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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The reverse

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Aphrodite is the voice actor of courtenberry

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:23 PM

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squirtmeh

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:24 PM

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She also voices Dusa.

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Lady Aphrodite has a lot of skills

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and talents

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:25 PM

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thanthink

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:25 PM

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Yes. She's the bestest. 💕

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:26 PM

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according to the leaderboard

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you are the bestest

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squirtheh

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52

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btw

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50 is casul heat

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I'm doing unseeded 64

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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I beat pos 32!

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Finally!

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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grats

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squirtyay

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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ayyayyy

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:27 PM

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hol' up

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I'm getting 63 as max heat

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wasn't it 64

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I didn't even get Phalanx Shot that run

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:29 PM

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hell mode @eager vortex

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:30 PM

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You're right. I made a mistake. shadeohboy

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High Heat Women's Leaderboard

Lady Aphrodite | 32
Nyaanyaa | 52
Toffel | 45

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:30 PM

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eager vortex I'm doing unseeded 64

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/826538906031882300/asda.png

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:30 PM

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I think I'll do 40 zag bow next after a small (at least) break
start EM4 practice

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:30 PM

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squirtmeh

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:31 PM

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@honest kernel m second place, you're in third place.

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:31 PM

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:(

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Lady Aphrodite is #1. 💕

bright mango Mar 30, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Lasted 28 secs dusa

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:31 PM

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squirtmeh

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not having double dash

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really hurts ya know

unique zephyr Mar 30, 2021, 7:32 PM

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That's what I discovered in my mirrorless 32, yeah

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:32 PM

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Single dash is not too bad.

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM

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furthest ive made it is c10 on max heat zag sword

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM

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I did 52 first try with RI3. squirtdevious

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM

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just gotta survive until hermes and pray for dash boon

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM

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You just have to start with the Eternal Rose. 💕

true fable Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM

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not that ive really grinded that cat

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:33 PM

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squirtmeh

fast steeple Mar 30, 2021, 7:37 PM

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what kind of pact setups are good for 20 heat
i got to hades on my first 20 heat attempt and died
made me sad

honest kernel Mar 30, 2021, 7:39 PM

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20 isnt excactly high you can kinda do a lot

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em2 is very easy, td3 should be very doable

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:42 PM

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You could just do something like EM2 BP2 FO2 TD3.

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Or you could entirely avoid BP and FO and only do TD2 if you're not used to such a tight timer and FO isn't fun for you.

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EM2 FO2 is standard for speedruns, and with good pace, TD3 is perfectly doable even with a 5-sack.

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That's already 15 Heat.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:44 PM

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fast steeple what kind of pact setups are good for 20 heat i got to hades on my first 20 heat...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/826542342722945099/aaaaa.png

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:44 PM

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BP2 changes up elite enemies, which can be quite fun.

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Id take that UC over CF

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:45 PM

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eager vortex https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/824082017662664748/826542342722945099/aaa...

That pact looks all over the place lol.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:45 PM

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it's ez

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Any pact at 20 is easy.

fast steeple Mar 30, 2021, 7:45 PM

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im going for HL1 CF1 JS1 EM2 BF1 MM DC2 AP1 and TD3 and using fists
i might die
i might not
hopefully the latter

fast steeple Mar 30, 2021, 7:46 PM

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mossy zinc Any pact at 20 is easy.

ah but you see im not the very good yet

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 7:46 PM

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AP1 👀

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dont take AP

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:46 PM

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AP1 is a disaster, yeah, don't do that.

hoary pasture Mar 30, 2021, 7:46 PM

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its really bad

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Take off CF and AP. You'll have a much stronger build.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:46 PM

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mossy zinc Any pact at 20 is easy.

em4 fo2 hs cp2 hl is also 20 heat

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:47 PM

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lmao

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But yeah, FO1 should help ease you into the faster animations, and it's pretty manageable at EM2

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:47 PM

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eager vortex em4 fo2 hs cp2 hl is also 20 heat

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:47 PM

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And it's still 3 heat

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:47 PM

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thanthink

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y u hate em4 nya

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:49 PM

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Because the fight is genuinely stupid for melee, and there was never any real time to learn the fight and give feedback on it like all the other boss fights before it.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:50 PM

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"Because the fight is genuinely stupid for melee"

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this is exactly what I feel for asterius

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em3

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on 40+

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:51 PM

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That fight is kinda free if you have Divine Dash and kinda not free if you don't lol.

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Also, imo one very annoying change they made for the Hades fight as a whole, when it was already harder for melee, is that his skulls no longer disappear when you deflect them.

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But they disappear when you block them with shield now.

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When shield was already the strongest weapon for the fight lol.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:52 PM

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oh

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:52 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:52 PM

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it wasn't like that b4 ?

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I also noticed that

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:53 PM

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In all of Early Access, deflect made the skulls disappear and block did not.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:53 PM

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Deflect used to virtually always hit Dad for a healthy chunk of damage then delete the skulls

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It was pretty sizable damage too, more with Brilliant Riposte, which was part of why that boon was so good

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Well, not "so good"

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"good"

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:54 PM

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yes that boon is kinda meh

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along with the legendary boon it grants

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:54 PM

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They're both great.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:54 PM

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Divine Protection is pretty far from meh

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:54 PM

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mossy zinc But they disappear when you block them with shield now.

this is so broken

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I don't understand

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Why good weapons have like everything on top of their inherent assets

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Look, Beowulf needs something to make it feel good to play. It gets 10% extra additive damage from all sources.

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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LEDGER

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STOP

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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it's the 20 seconds acorn no ?

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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:3

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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works like acorn each 20 seconds

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:55 PM

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Yeah

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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iunno I didn't seem to get much use out of it

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Try EM4 Maxy with Beowulf.

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Then try the same fight with Malphon.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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I mean, Acorn is already like the best defensive keepsake by a mile for non EM4 bosses

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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It's stupid lol.

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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The damage output is indeed not the same

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Divine Protection is just more of that

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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Single dash, of course.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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But for every room

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 7:56 PM

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yeah but isn't 20 seconds kinda long

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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If you play shield it's not

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Divine Protection has carried a number of 50+ clears.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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It needs to work once per room and it's already gained a ridiculous amount of HP over the course of a run

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But for bosses they are WAY longer than 20 seconds

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:57 PM

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Divine protection grants you savior

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but it's a bit slower

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Savior grants enemies Divine Protection.

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But it's a bit faster.

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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oh btw Ledger

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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squirtooh

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Have you seen my almost clear

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Divine Protection against EM4 is soooo sick. The dream is getting Acorn charges to phase 2 (pretty... unlikely dream tbf), because Dad just has a bunch of fast singular heavy hitting attacks

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Indeed Nyaanyaa

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Oh, no, with Pash Flare?

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Yes

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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Neat

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:58 PM

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3 charges into phase 2

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Time out at the beginning of this phase

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 7:59 PM

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Lmao

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 7:59 PM

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the rest is 1:27 of art

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that unfortunately did not end well

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 7:59 PM

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@unique zephyr congratulations on 6x32! dusa

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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@eager vortex I'm not saying Divine Protection is like the best boon ever or anything, but you're pretty much guaranteed to get a ton of value out of it.

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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better to get early then

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to maximize amount of hp saved

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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At any point, really. But yeah, earlier the better, as long as you're not picking Brilliant Riposte explicitly for that purpose over a boon that does something/fills in a core slot lol

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Honestly.

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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unique zephyr I beat pos 32!

Congrats boyo

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

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Even if it's last room Styx, it's still nuts

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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You just need Divine Protection before dad. That's already amazing.

solar maple Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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In terms of learning the em4 fight, doing it with beo is like halfway between watching someone do it and practicing it

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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^^^

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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Yeah

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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It's like Astrally projecting into someone who kind of knows how to do the fight on non-shield aspects

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:01 PM

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But I'm bad at blocking so now I include dashes

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:02 PM

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How are you bad at blocking.

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You literally just hold a button.

shy gulch Mar 30, 2021, 8:02 PM

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LOL

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:02 PM

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And pick an angle. EM4 has lots of angles

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:02 PM

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I don't get some angles with EM4

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/392290842196443139/589806096957308958/ezgif-5-02c601d99c69.gif

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Sometimes it's just non sense to me so I don't bother anymore

solar maple Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Astaos I find hugging a wall makes everything easier with beo

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Also it's not 180 degrees of protection pretty sure? Feels narrower than that

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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I do

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Just spin your stick really fast and block in all directions.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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You can def get hit from your exact sides

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Smh noobs.

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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lol

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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maybe

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quick swap to mouse when blocking

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

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I have definitely done that before when a bunch of skulls explode at the same time

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Imperdable setup

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:04 PM

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bronze viper I have definitely done that before when a bunch of skulls explode at the same ti...

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-ugh-seriously-kimi-no-nawa-anime-gif-17778269

Tenor

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:04 PM

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It's exasperation Nyaanyaa

solar maple Mar 30, 2021, 8:05 PM

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If you just sit in a corner and point in you are basically invincibile lol

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Sometimes em4 will have an em4 moment so I just take a quick break over in my home down at thr bottom right

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:06 PM

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Sometimes em4 will have an em4 moment

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Analyzing...

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:07 PM

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My house is clearing a pillar of urns then just kiting desperately around it even if Dad isn't near me.

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I've definitely died from doing this in phase 3 lol, sneaky urns

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 8:08 PM

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lol just encountered a room with full of flying skulls casting dc on themselves

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pretty much impossible on hestia

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ridiculous

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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Nah, it's manageable. You should expect to be playing Zag rail for some percentage of Tartarus

shy gulch Mar 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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yeah u just spam attack and special

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and dash wildly

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what its actually impossible on

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is arthur

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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there were 10+ skulls

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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It's very straightforward if you time special + damage dash if you have it + normal attacks

eager vortex Mar 30, 2021, 8:09 PM

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with more than 4 blue hearts on each

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I killed them and 10 more spawned

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Pretty sure I've played it as Zag Rail for pretty much all of Tartarus except the Furies before.

shy gulch Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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the rail attacks quickly

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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They can only have 5 hearts, you can blow up all 5 typically very close to simultaneously

shy gulch Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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it'll be annoying and unfun but its doable

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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only 5? Easy

bronze viper Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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Lol, not sayin those rooms are great for Hestia but it's nothing like Zag bow

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Or Excalibur

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:10 PM

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I don't get it.

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The #1 strategy for Zag Bow is shotgunning with your Special.

shy gulch Mar 30, 2021, 8:11 PM

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hmmm

mossy zinc Mar 30, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I read it on a website.

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So Savior shouldn't be a problem.

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Yeah that's true

shy gulch Mar 30, 2021, 8:11 PM

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thanthink

gaunt fiber Mar 30, 2021, 8:11 PM

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with thunder flourish