h1-high-heat-strategies

[spice lava]

Melee weapons aren't easy, easier to get hit

[solar maple]

https://imgur.com/a/3f2gjqt new and improved guan yu memes, this time with level 1 GY

[honest kernel]

lol

yeah I never got around the melee weapons outside of shield in this game

it also feels like a constant effort to be close enough with fists

[hearty onyx]

A full call off of a trap?

[celest grail]

yep

call buildup depends on how much dmg you took in relation to your current health

so if you take like 180% of your current health as dmg, you build up the full call

with lvl 1 guan yu and HS, thats easy

[gaunt fiber]

in my 50 attempts I got some full calls like this

Like against a slugger thug

I'll try the guan yu call%

[solar maple]

I also love that your max hp is too low to take a chaos gate

guan yu moment

[gaunt fiber]

happens all the time sigh

should be a % of your health

But it would be a guan yu adjustment lol

[hot sequoia]

Heightened Security and Guan Yu? Ehhhhhh

[gaunt fiber]

yeah that's a good duo

[hot sequoia]

Add Lasting Consequences for more pain

[solar maple]

I mean the point is to make yourself die instantly

Heightened security is very good for that

[hot sequoia]

When you wanna go out on a suicide run but avoid having to stand in magma for a few minutes

[wanton plover]

the sole reason i am ever afraid of hs is hades jalapeño pots

those do over 8million dmg and at the most stressful fight of the run

[halcyon flame]

hl5 fo2 cp2 dc2 hs td3 em4

maximum pain at the hades fight

[bright mango]

That is called super dad

And he is not fun

[edgy arrow]

he is kinda fun tbh

like, that fight is rad

[bright mango]

Ok yeah

But he just kinda slaps you

And you die

So you get to enjoy the fight for a second

[edgy arrow]

pretty much

[bright mango]

A few more seconds if you’re good

[solar maple]

I mean other than dc2 that is the beo life

[halcyon flame]

damage control affects bosses and that is just funny

like at the start of it they have this big blue health bar with 2 hearts

[spice lava]

I won't say it's funny when DC2 prevents us from meg bosses at first frame 👀 💦

[gaunt fiber]

DC skulls on the other hand are not funny

[halcyon flame]

then don't use meg

lol!

[spice lava]

Facing skulls with MM2/DC2 is like doing 1 dmg when they have a 2 hp regen

[halcyon flame]

mm2?

middle management 2

[honest kernel]

doubles the amount of minibosses, obviously

[spice lava]

Maybe not the good part of the pact,

Indeed, Skulls are actually scary with BP2, not MM, my bad

[sullen minnow]

MM2: Sneak now sneakier, only spawns for .7s at a time, and only when you step on a randomly selected tile in the room that resets every time you trigger it

Power Couple are now swinging, face 2x gorgons and thwomps

[bright mango]

thwomps

I love that

I agree

[halcyon flame]

dire soul catcher now spawns wasps instead of butterflies

[celest grail]

tiny vermin now burrows and spawns adds twice as much

[halcyon flame]

all adds are now also miniboss rats and have random bp2 effects regardless of whether bp is enabled or not

[eager vortex]

was there a new patch what is dis about

[celest grail]

yeah theres an update that adds mm2

no one has tested it out to see what it does though

im trying it rn

doesnt seem that bad, i think

[eager vortex]

so the max heat is increased ?

[halcyon flame]

yeah mm2 is pretty cool

oh and also em5 which adds a new persephone boss, pretty fun but a bit boring

[solemn pulsar]

@eager vortex in case it wasn't clear they are joking

[eager vortex]

it wasn't clear

em5 would be nice tho

[bright mango]

lmao

Cerberus em5

[eager vortex]

or chiron

I mean yes u fight him anyway

but improved version

cuz his fight is kinda lame

[bright mango]

Charon you mean?

Also the fight is not lame imo

[eager vortex]

yes charon lol chiron is sth else

it's too basic

[solemn pulsar]

it's not lame when you do it in tartarus, that's for sure

[honest kernel]

i just never get to do the fight bc high heat

but it was fun

[solemn pulsar]

just do a specific high heat charon fun

👀

[honest kernel]

oof

[bright mango]

Cgull over here has done charon at 64

although it was probably less than that bcs all the other heat doesn't matter

[gaunt fiber]

time for some 15hp GY

[solemn pulsar]

50 technically

MM, UC, EM all don't matter

the rest still come into play

[bright mango]

I would think RI hurts the most

[solemn pulsar]

but calling it 50 heat charon is disingenous because it has RI4

and AP2

so it's just "max heat" charon

but yeah technically you could get the same experience at 50

but big number good

[bright mango]

lol

[edgy arrow]

i mean everyone just understands that if a challenge category makes a heat option free you take it

nobody’s saying Tail’s boonless 50 was actually a boonless 48 because he took UC

everyone takes RI4 for mirrorless etc

[honest kernel]

I officially despise artemis call now, it did like 0 work vs dad because it just didnt want to crit

[mossy zinc]

It's a lot better with Shadow Presence for backstabs.

[honest kernel]

🤔 sounds better ye

I ran fiery for hestia that run

[mossy zinc]

Unrelated.

For any +1% crit chance assuming default crit damage multiplier (3x),

   (current_bonus_dmg + 1) /
   (100 * current_crit_chance + 50)

added_base_dmg =
   current_base_dmg /
   (100 * current_crit_chance + 50)```

[halcyon flame]

is hazard bomb affected by hs?

[patent isle]

dont think so

i thought it would be but it slapped me during my challenge run and i didnt explode so

[halcyon flame]

i wanna go deadly flourish when i do attempt the challenge

because apparently it can crit you as well

kind of in the same way theseus can apparently crit you if he calls for artemis

[mossy zinc]

Deadly Flourish is required for the challenge, in fact.

[unique zephyr]

Keep dying in asphodel in shield 32 attempts

[halcyon flame]

oh wait yeah it is

[unique zephyr]

I hope I can get out of this funk soon

[patent isle]

oof

gl bacchus

[bronze viper]

Next time you play, do you have a setup to stream? I have some free time I can probably watch to help you out with glaring issues

[bright mango]

Streaming it would help

[unique zephyr]

I don’t know how to stream except on discord

I have OBS, how do I use it to stream? I have a gaming headset

I do have twitch, I never used it to stream. But yeah @bronze viper I’d like to stream

[true fable]

there should be some obs quickstart guides on youtube in case ledger's not available

you can always try to follow one of those and ask around in here if you run into issues

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok, when I get it set up do I post the link in self promotion or here?

[vital grove]

What seems to be killing you the most on shield 32?

Is it lernie, mobs or time?

Are you using the good Shields aka not chaos shield 🙄

[true fable]

post it in self promo

all the shields are good in diff ways

zag shield is probably the least safe

[vital grove]

Ehh Zag shield kicks ass at least

Zeus is my favorite shield tho

[true fable]

zag shield do damage

zeus is neat

idk

i think chaos gets a bad rap

[vital grove]

Zeus shield is the safest weapon

[unique zephyr]

I’m using beo, mobs kill me and bosses

Furthest I’ve gotten is to heroes

I am using beo because all other shields seem boring

And beo is at least fast when I do it right

[vital grove]

Zeus shield is anything but boring

[unique zephyr]

I should try zeus shield more, how hard is it to play decently? And is the build zeus on special?

And then just pile on zeus

[vital grove]

It's not hard to play decently but it is very very hard to master

Zeus Special is very good and a safe option

But tbh you can put almost anything on the special

I like Aph attack, Zeus special and try to pick up Smoldering

[bronze viper]

You can link Twitch to OBS and it should be literally one button press to start streaming.

[gaunt fiber]

Two buttons

You have to confirm to go live

[bronze viper]

Oh I disabled that because I'm not a coward

[true fable]

true

also true

[gaunt fiber]

Hey I'm not a coward

[bronze viper]

I pressed the dang button, I'm streaming whether I meant to or not.

[gaunt fiber]

I mean you even let your stream for hours while you're not even on your laptop

[bronze viper]

LOL I stopped doing that to be fair.

I think.

[gaunt fiber]

You could use some confirmation button to realize you're streaming

[true fable]

like a netflix "are you still watching" button but its for ledger

and they have to press it to keep streaming

[bronze viper]

Lol, a Twitch dead man's switch

[unique zephyr]

OK I'll stream in a bit

how many people here would be down to watch?

ok I'm streaming how do I find my stream link

@bronze viper and others, I posted self promotion

i'll stream for half an hour, am doing so now

my audio is delayed and mixing up

it's like echoing

[bright mango]

yeah

we can hear it

[unique zephyr]

how do I fix this

it only happens when I hit stream

[bronze viper]

This kind of thing happens to me at least if I have the stream paying in the background

Do you have a window with Twitch open?

[unique zephyr]

yes

[bronze viper]

Don't do that 🙂

[unique zephyr]

oh ok

[bright mango]

lol

[bronze viper]

Or if you do, keep the audio off.

[unique zephyr]

is that better on your end now?

it is for me

[bright mango]

yeah

[unique zephyr]

I can't hear any of you

[bright mango]

Its good

[unique zephyr]

oh, right

[bright mango]

Are you going to be talking?

[unique zephyr]

it's not like discord

how do I see viewer comments

while streaming

I literally have never streamed before

[bronze viper]

Obs > View > Docks > Chat

Stream Information and Twitch Stats are also useful

[bright mango]

Ok i heard loud noises

That was scary

[bronze viper]

Dance music :3

[unique zephyr]

Is this okay now

[bright mango]

yep

[unique zephyr]

i have no idea if things are working or not

[bright mango]

its good

I'm vibin to eurydice music

[bright mango]

LMAO

I just had the worst c34 possible

Armored savior swordsmen in the smallest room possible

Chariots and swordsmen come in second wave

The third wave is all of that plus voidstones

[steep canyon]

Pack a lunch, you'll be in that room for a while.

[bright mango]

Lol yeah

If I didn’t die in that room I would’ve timed out immediately at the heroes

[steep canyon]

I've only seen saviors once or twice, not in particular extreme circumstances, and it took me forever to deal with it.

[bright mango]

And I’m using hestia

[mossy zinc]

c34?

[bright mango]

Chamber 34

[steep canyon]

What was you cast?

[bright mango]

Artemis cast

It wouldn’t have done anything

[steep canyon]

Well when you finally get DC off they go down quick!

[bright mango]

Not really

In a cramped room by the time you get the dc hearts off, they’ve already gotten them again

[steep canyon]

Right now I remember, I think I had savior crystals numbskull spawners in one of the tiny rooms in Tartarus, one of the only times I've dealt with saviours but it scarred me forever.

[mossy zinc]

I have absolutely no idea how to get high DPS with Gilgamesh that's not ME.

[waxen relic]

Alright i learned Bowing Dad and got ZBow and Chiron 40 down

[waxen relic]

Zeus Legendary in Tartarus?

Or wait you're speedrunning right?

[bright mango]

LETS GOOOO

OOOOOOOOO

POOOGOGOGOGOGOGOGOGPOGOG

I AMAMMAMAM SHOAKONG NINR RNJ

HAHDHDIKAKAUA

[mossy zinc]

I just want sub 10 with it, yeah.

I've no trouble getting sub 10 with Zag Fists or Demeter Aspect, and Talos seems quite alright after adjusting to the fact the Dash-Upper is really slow and just ignoring it in favor of Cast.

But I've no idea what to do with Gilgamesh.

[bright mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822584911298035763/image0.png

I DID IT

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[bright mango]

I’M SO HAPPY

[honest kernel]

congrats!

[mossy zinc]

You mean.

[bright mango]

Thank you lady aphrodite

[mossy zinc]

You're 5O HAPPY.

[bright mango]

YESS

[shy plinth]

GOT EM

[mossy zinc]

Carried by Heartbreak Strike, I see.

[shy plinth]

You need to change your name to Pengy837

Add 50 to that number

[bright mango]

[mossy zinc]

m pretty sure 787 + 50 = 1337.

[bright mango]

Wat

[mossy zinc]

You don't know what 1337 is?

[bright mango]

Um no

[gaunt fiber]

Try to read it

And re congrats on your clear

[mossy zinc]

7h15 15 l337. y0u 533?

[bright mango]

I have no idea what it means

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao

[gaunt fiber]

Leet speak

[bright mango]

Athena came in clutch with divine dash in the styx tunnels

It helped in the dad fight so much

[bright mango]

Wut

[mossy zinc]

leet

1337

[gaunt fiber]

Google it

[bright mango]

Interesting

[mossy zinc]

Also, 1337 means elite.

[bright mango]

Ok

Why thank you

[mossy zinc]

From elite to eleet to 31337 to 1337.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[mossy zinc]

Well.

Unfortunately I have to take it back.

[bright mango]

Nooo

[mossy zinc]

Can't be 1337 if you don't know 1337.

[bright mango]

Also piercing fire is my new favorite hammer

Made me one shot lernie heads

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's my favorite Hestia hammer. It's really good.

Why does Gilgamesh have 3-4 dashes but suck at closing the distance.

[bright mango]

Gilga poopoo

Also my attack poms were extremely lucky

Got a double pom on it in styx

[mossy zinc]

Nice.

Heartbreak Strike with poms is so good.

[bright mango]

Yeah

I am now indebted to aphrodite

[gaunt fiber]

I owe her my 40 heat mirrorless too

[mossy zinc]

Good.

[bright mango]

@unique zephyr Did we get the stream to work?

[bronze viper]

He did. I'm streaming now, showing him random aspects at 40+

On Hestia now

[bright mango]

Ok

[bronze viper]

I have a clip you'll enjoy too, lemme find it, he's afk for a sec anyway...

[bright mango]

@bronze viper What is happening

[honest kernel]

@bright mango what keepsakes did you use throughout?

[bright mango]

For my 50? @honest kernel

I went rose > pendant > tooth > acorn

Very standard

[shy plinth]

Is tooth for elysium common over 2x acorn?

[bright mango]

2x acorn?

Wdym?

[gaunt fiber]

I think it's the thing we discussed about mr Hat

[shy plinth]

You can use acorn in elysium and styx

[gaunt fiber]

Hestia owns bosses so the rooms are the problem

[shy plinth]

Aha

[bright mango]

^^^

[shy plinth]

Well there you go

[bright mango]

Heroes was easy

[shy plinth]

Imagine scrolling up

[bright mango]

But random BP rooms can randomly ruin your run

Cough cough archers and chariots

[mossy zinc]

Gilgamesh dashes are so awfully short, one Tidal Dash knocks enemies out of range of the next Tidal Dash more often than not.

[bright mango]

@gaunt fiber I'm watching the Jesus Christ% rn

Its funny to watch again

[gaunt fiber]

Oh it's uploaded nice

I'll share in the good channel but sleep too strong rn

Glad you enjoyed it

[bright mango]

Good channel?

Also go to sleep

[unique zephyr]

First time beating Elysium on shield 32! 3 minutes 46 seconds left on timer too after Heroes fight ended, too 🙂

[halcyon flame]

have you been going for 32 heat all weapons?

and congrats!

[solar maple]

beo good and beo fast

[shy plinth]

Grats bacchus

[bronze viper]

;_; Made it to phase 3 EM4 twice in a row, the last one was a real nail biter but I choked and my DPS wasn't quite consistent enough to get there. Zeus Aspect is a real joy to play though.

[unique zephyr]

I beat Beo 32 AND got sub 15!

Thanks, @bronze viper and everyone else who helped me

[bronze viper]

That's awesome!

[unique zephyr]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/822658396239036436/unknown.png

Thanks, I'd call this my best run ever

[unique zephyr]

Yeah I have, although I may hold off on sword 32 because sword icky

or I could do FO0 Arthur

I hear people run RI2 on Arthur, is that a 32 heat thing or higher

@mossy zinc you suggested arthur for sword 32

[halcyon flame]

my 32 heat sword pact was literally just "nyaanyaa's guide"

[unique zephyr]

where is her guide

[bronze viper]

So... has anyone else run into an issue where Skelly Tooth will cause an Athena DD to look like an SD, then once you lose any SD, it's just gone forever?

[halcyon flame]

hl5/lc4/em3/bp2/mm/uc/td3

aphro attack actually works great on arthur since that's how i got my 32 heat arthur pretty much

[bronze viper]

I'm too casual to do EM3 HL5 on sword at 32 heat, but she doesn't have FO2 so yeah

results may vary

[unique zephyr]

Is the reason you avoid FO2 on arthur is because the attacks are too slow?

I can see enemies just not being there by the time arthur finishes the swing

[bronze viper]

Your swings have no heavy armor frames, they just end if you get mini stunned

So you have to play very intentionally to get your 3-strike combo out there, even including the dash carried strikes

[daring hedge]

i think schad has run into this exact thing before #test-branch-tech-issues message

[edgy arrow]

wait, does this happen consistently?

i feel like i should’ve seen it before

[bronze viper]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/955987794

Same thing

Asked pseudo, he doesn't know what causes it. Apparently just happens sometimes lol.

[solar maple]

it has never happened to me, though I pretty much never take tooth with a DD already

I mentioned the schad thing as well

[edgy arrow]

that’s super rough

looks like i’m avoiding lucky tooth from now on lol

[bright mango]

@unique zephyr

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811259823613673472/813141898386210826/image0.png

This is what I used for 32 sword

I think it works really well

[edgy arrow]

yeah that’s legit

iirc i did something similar

[bright mango]

Deadly reversal is very nice

Also red boon good

[edgy arrow]

idk how much heroic deadly strike is giving you haha

[bright mango]

Red boon good

[bronze viper]

Holy cow lmfao. Heroic Level 4 Deadly Strike: 67%

[bright mango]

Isn’t common lvl.1 25%?

[honest kernel]

20%

[bright mango]

Oh ok

Baj randomly popping in

[honest kernel]

It do be like that

[wintry berry]

I tried 50 heat Rama, and died at heroes with 25%Theseus hp bc I panicked at 30s timeout.

[honest kernel]

You got that far

Nice

[wintry berry]

I had a pretty decent build and patty. Arty attack, Athena dash and triple shot

[honest kernel]

It is still 50 heat on a weapon that is hard to use well

[edgy arrow]

the psychological damage of the 30s bell is real lol

turns out 30s is actually a really long time and you’re probably fine, but man is it scary

[honest kernel]

Hey double that and you have the length of a brightsword only room

[edgy arrow]

lol you’re not wrong

[wintry berry]

I also phased Theseus before killing the other one

[edgy arrow]

that can be good or bad, depending

if you can phase theseus fairly quickly without wasting time chasing him around (cough fists cough) then the fight goes much faster

since you can aoe them both at once more easily while theseus stands still

[wintry berry]

I overestimated my damage, I didn't expect Theseus to phase quickly

[edgy arrow]

that’s fair

[bright mango]

Theseus has the most inconsistent phases in the game

[edgy arrow]

actually reads handle

you beat 50!

congrats

[bright mango]

Me?

If so then thanks!

If not then idk

[edgy arrow]

yes you lol

[bright mango]

Yep

Feels good

[edgy arrow]

50 big number

[bright mango]

I don’t have this on the back of my head anymore

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811259823613673472/821524353647902730/image0.png

[wintry berry]

congratz for 50 heat Hestia ! Now you can do hotw 🙂

[unique zephyr]

Congrats on your 50 heat win, Pengy!

[patent isle]

what are good high heat chiron builds? i tried pos fluorish with sea storm and it's not as good as i'd like

[edgy arrow]

don’t do pos flourish yeah

[wintry berry]

Aphro attack, Artemis special

[edgy arrow]

your best bet is either artemis or dio on special

[patent isle]

i thought pos fluorish high base dmg + knockback anti boss effects would b good

[shy plinth]

Conc volley hammer is also the nuts

[bright mango]

Poseidon flourish is fun

[patent isle]

ah

heart rend does sound very good

[shy plinth]

Lightning only triggers five times per second

[halcyon flame]

concentrated + relentless is that way to go for chiron

[shy plinth]

Chiron hits too fast to get all the zaps

[patent isle]

wait

[edgy arrow]

lol this is half the reason i prefer dio chiron

[patent isle]

u can be too fast

[shy plinth]

So it's just weak poseidon hits

[patent isle]

dang i didnt know that

i thought itd apply on all of them lol oops

[shy plinth]

Yeah lightning specifically is every 0.2 seconds

[bright mango]

It’s still fun

[shy plinth]

It's a chiron nerf mechanic lol

[bright mango]

I like it a lot

With seastorm, splitting and d strike it’s a lot of fun

[edgy arrow]

it’s basically strictly worse than arty tho

[bright mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811332258106703892/812111721912074330/video0.mov

[edgy arrow]

anything with seastorm in it is objectively fun tho

so i don’t disagree

lmao that knockback

[bright mango]

Second wave

[edgy arrow]

oh ofc

i what like, what the hell is happening

[bright mango]

It’s just bullying dad

[edgy arrow]

i forget that boon exists since it’s usually just a barrier between me and mirage shot 😛

anyway yeah objectively fun

still sadly worse than arty

[bright mango]

Yeah

But more fun

I had splitting and stuff in this run

[edgy arrow]

ngl you’ve kinda convinced me

i might give this a shot

seastorm chiron wr here we come?

[patent isle]

lmaoo

[shy plinth]

Okay that's hilarious

[patent isle]

thats so funny

[bright mango]

Ikr

Double strike would’ve made this better

[shy plinth]

Did you have wave pounding

[edgy arrow]

i feel like to make this maximum meme i should also take lightning strike

[bright mango]

I’ll have to check

[shy plinth]

@edgy arrow dionysus attack

Get that EA

[bright mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811332258106703892/812111930406731836/image0.jpg

This was the build

[edgy arrow]

that won’t qualify me for sea storm tho

[shy plinth]

Those are good boons

It's true I guess you should take a Zeus boon

[edgy arrow]

you better believe im not taking family favourite

jolted+rupture “ez privileged status”

[solar maple]

I will attempt sea storm chiron as well

at probably too much heat for me to win

as is tradition

[edgy arrow]

same

[solar maple]

I'll also use the damage meter mod

to see where the damage comes from

I'm pretty curious

[edgy arrow]

smart

it’s for science

how much heat are you doing?

[bronze viper]

You can knockback dad?

[edgy arrow]

yeah

it’s just a really small amount

otherwise like sea storm wouldn’t work on him

apparently pos chiron + second wave adds up

[solar maple]

bosses have very high grip

[bronze viper]

Oh wow so you can't seastorm half the EM4 summons, good to know

[solar maple]

yeah you can't sea storm thwomps or whatever they are actually called iirc

but you can vs the others I think

[bronze viper]

Oh weird. I thought Sneaks, Gorgons, and Butterfly balls were immovable. I know you can knock Doomstones around

[honest kernel]

Stompers

Altho the naming process is similar

[solar maple]

I can check the lua

[honest kernel]

oh boi

[solar maple]

but I think most bosses/minibosses can be knocked back

just they have very high grip

I've been looking at the lua recently to try to figure things out

it has not worked once LOL

[bronze viper]

...

lol

[solar maple]

could not explain the fiery bug

where it seems to work for all damage sources

but only chamber 1

????

the lua was absolutely no help

I even found the relevant code

[bright mango]

Second wave on chiron probably helped

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811977780690550834/812071937206386748/video0.mov

Just more yeeting

[edgy arrow]

just exited tartarus with 5 seconds left using pos chiron

on TD2

why did i do this to myself

[bright mango]

Lmao

[shy plinth]

Shoulda gone for Zeus attack first obv

[solar maple]

wow I hadn't played chiron in a while

that was a nice reminder of just how awful it is

it wasn't even timer that was bad

I had a 4 min tart exit

I just kept pressing the special button in the lernie fight

and somehow I never learned

[unique zephyr]

Funny thing is everyone thinks chiron is OP at first

Including me

I did 16 heat with chiron (I did 16 heat all weps a long while back)

[solar maple]

eh I didn't think it was op

it was my favorite bow though iirc

though back then rama did suck

[unique zephyr]

It was my favorite too, I didn’t think OP more so as “very good”

How long ago was back then? I got the game early 2020

And I think I did 16 heat near the end of 2020

[solar maple]

on steam release

I think december 2019

or no

that is wrong

or is it

time

how does it work

ok I think it was dec 2019

[edgy arrow]

holy crap

just got patty -> fountain -> thanatos

why does this never happen on real runs

chambers 32-33-34 in case it wasn’t clear

[bronze viper]

Is this run... imaginary?

[edgy arrow]

i think yes

[bronze viper]

lmao

[solar maple]

sea storm chiron question

do I get heroic special

or nectar to look for sea storm

don't have zeus yet

I defer to the experts here

[solemn pulsar]

Why no Zeus yet

[solar maple]

I forced it

just early eury

[solemn pulsar]

Also Zeus procs on chiron special is just asking for disappointment

But nectar

[solar maple]

no poseidon special

it's sea storm chiron

[solemn pulsar]

You just said chiron

[solar maple]

oh

yeah chiron

[solemn pulsar]

LOL

What

[sage plover]

at what heat would be best to do em4 on

[solar maple]

for what goal?

[solemn pulsar]

What’s on special then

[solar maple]

poseidon

[solemn pulsar]

...

So as I said. Zeus procs on chiron special are just asking for disappointment

You’ll get like 2 per volley

[solar maple]

yes

[sage plover]

like at what level of heat should one then attempt em4

[solar maple]

if it is your first time on em4 I would just try it with pretty much no other heat

[solemn pulsar]

Nectar to get sea storm, ambrosia to actually improve your build

[solar maple]

but if you mean when is it easier to take em4 than other heat, it depends on the aspect

[sage plover]

yeah thats probably the best option

[solar maple]

for beo around 45, for most other weapons around 55-60

em4 is hard

especially with FO/HL/etc

[edgy arrow]

lmao how do you even play chiron

[sage plover]

i just dont think i can out dps the healing

[edgy arrow]

just threw the hades fight

that actually should've been easy

pos chiron not quite as bad as i thought apparently

[solar maple]

alright beat lernie that time lol

what heat are you doing ohok?

[edgy arrow]

40

[solar maple]

me too

but I'm stubborn and so on td3 LOL

probably going to time out in elysium

[edgy arrow]

my elysium was actually good that time

finished with 2 mins to spare

but free 32-34 will do that lol

but i’m running TD2 anyway

[solar maple]

never mind

I'm going to die to speeder armored archers LOL

they were the better archers

[edgy arrow]

oof

[solar maple]

well deserved

[edgy arrow]

they chose not to use chiron

so they won

[solar maple]

tbh a td2 pact would probably be harder for me

would have to take like JS3 or something terrible

or AP1

[edgy arrow]

i’ve got JS2

[solar maple]

but that lowers sea storm odds

[edgy arrow]

yeah AP1 isn’t allowed

maximum sea storm required

[solar maple]

you doing dc2?

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[solar maple]

DC stinky

[edgy arrow]

agree

4:59 tart exit what

with JS2

maybe i should switch to TD3

[solar maple]

3:51 exit

TD3 gang

td2 is a scam

you get sucked into it because you do TD2 and tart takes 6 mins

but tart took 6 mins because you took 3 extra JS/DC/CP

more seriously though

if you are not dying in td2 normal rooms

it does not matter

I die in td3 normal rooms though lol

[shy plinth]

Just wanna say thanks to y'all for your support and generally being good at Hades

24x32 all done 🙂

[solar maple]

nice!

[edgy arrow]

yussss

just got jolted

time for privileged status stonks

[shy plinth]

Are you still doing chiron poseidon

[edgy arrow]

yup

[shy plinth]

No you had that message right the first time

[edgy arrow]

congrats btw

[shy plinth]

TY 🙂

[edgy arrow]

i think you’re right

my autocorrect is smart and trying to save me from bad decisions

[solar maple]

S E A S T O R M

aquired

sea storm did about a third as much damage as my special

not bad tbh

in the lernie fight

Relentless volley pog

Second WAVE

lesgo

[shy plinth]

Relentless volley second wave!!!

[solar maple]

heroes down

didn't even need tooth

no zeus in styx for splitting 😦

even had the thicc bots for the prereq

LOL I died to dad

tried to to the middle of laser strat

and messed it up lmao

why am I like this

I had 5 mins

why

[edgy arrow]

that’s like the exact same reason i died

[solar maple]

speedrunner brain

[edgy arrow]

chiron bad

[shy plinth]

Unga bunga brain

I died to going full unga bunga yesterday

In the middle of phase 2

[edgy arrow]

okay this time i got divine dash in tart

can’t lose

[solar maple]

I'll admit I wanted the sub 15 a little too much

oh btw did you see the astaos nonsense from earlier?

he did my lv 1 GY meme

it was fantastic

[edgy arrow]

i did not

that’s amazing

i’ll have to look that up

baby GY ftw

[solar maple]

https://www.twitch.tv/astaos/clip/YawningEndearingMonkeyArsonNoSexy-hSyLFHeXzLewM00X?filter=clips&range=24hr&sort=time

glorious

[shy plinth]

Wtf is this

[solar maple]

this is art

[shy plinth]

How does this work

That was very silly

[solar maple]

call charges based of of the % of max health you lose

lv 1 GY has very low max health

so if you take a bit of damage you get full call immediately

[edgy arrow]

it’s genius

[solar maple]

with HS, a spike trap gives full call

[shy plinth]

Wow

[solar maple]

Then you just do pos call or arty call memes

[eternal hare]

that call is actually insane, what in the world

[solar maple]

I was actually experimenting with this as a speedrun strat, but I die too often

because SD baby GY lol

https://clips.twitch.tv/SleepySilkyNoodleWoofer-ENT6WQLbl4qScuH8

[shy plinth]

Yeah where a base SD gets you 9 health

[solar maple]

9?

more like 5

level 1 GY

15 max hp

[shy plinth]

Oh gosh

[solar maple]

it's actually really fun

[eternal hare]

how did it turn out in regular rooms?

[solar maple]

pretty well

well with rip current

arty call was good in tart

but fell off in elysium

because they have too much health and the eyes mess it up

https://imgur.com/a/3f2gjqt

example of arty call

[dire steppe]

i wonder if you could do some mega speedy tartarus with that

like in a legit run strat

[solar maple]

some rooms, like the one I just posted can go pretty quick

[dire steppe]

get zeus call and one shot rooms lol

[solar maple]

if anyone wants to try it I can give my lv 1 GY save

[patent isle]

congrats

[patent isle]

that is absolutely crazy :D

[mossy zinc]

@shy plinth @bright mango @unique zephyr congratulations!

Hope I didn't miss anybody.

@daring hedge any ideas for a sub 10 build for Gilgamesh when starting with Eternal Rose?

Feels like just pray for early Smoldering Air to carry it.

[edgy arrow]

start eternal rose then somehow get merciful end in tartarus

that’s my advice

[mossy zinc]

...

[edgy arrow]

hope that helped

[daring hedge]

i actually kind of like passion dash on it; easier to actually land multiple on enemies compared to tidal and decently strong with high rarity and poms

not sure about sub 10 but worth a shot maybe

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm interesting. Mirror setup?

[daring hedge]

nothing out of the ordinary except ruthless to boost passion dash itself

[mossy zinc]

Alright, I'll try that. Thanks!

[true fable]

passion dash with heart rend is good enough for sub 10

either that or ykno

the Merciful End thing

[mossy zinc]

Deadly Strike or Flourish?

[true fable]

strike

[mossy zinc]

The what now?

Never heard of it.

[true fable]

flourish is only good for killing anything witches or lower in tart with fiery presence

[mossy zinc]

Hmm. I'll give that a try, thanks!

[honest kernel]

time to prove that gilga is ok for speed?

[mossy zinc]

So far I feel, I've been proving the opposite.

[shy gulch]

lol

gilga’s weird

[halcyon flame]

how did you get a greater call from a spike trap? does the gauge % you get from being hurt scale with % of health lost?

[gaunt fiber]

Yup, so you have to maintain a really low hp pool. Just posted the video in #self-promotion if you're interested

[halcyon flame]

does call% usually use low health pools with lots of dr in that case or something

[solemn pulsar]

Call% just high rolls for smoldering early

[halcyon flame]

oh yeah that

[gaunt fiber]

yeah the run was different from call%

really easy to die too

[bright mango]

This was different

It was innovation

It was class

It was jesus christ %

[gaunt fiber]

shoutout to pseudo obviously

[solemn pulsar]

was incredible to watch

[unique zephyr]

What are good builds for Arthur?

[mossy zinc]

Passion Dash, Deadly Strike, Heart Rend.

Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

Divine Strike, Deadly Flourish, Deadly Reversal.

[unique zephyr]

Thanks! Any special mechanical considerations for Arthur?

I haven't used it in a long time

[mossy zinc]

You can Dash between Stygius's 3-hit Attack combo without canceling the combo. Normally, that doesn't matter much because Stygius's 3-hit combo is weak, but it's very, very useful for Excalibur.

You can also start your Special, dash, and your Special will hit at the end of your Dash.

[bright mango]

^^^

[mossy zinc]

Your Special's slow startup normally leaves you vulnerable, but if you press Special, wait until just before your Special hits, and then Dash towards your enemies, you'll hit them immediately after your Dashes. Can be very useful.

[halcyon flame]

basically you can dash mid-animation

[gaunt fiber]

I'd avise to open your three hits combos with a dash strike.

Dash strike > Dash > Attack > Dash > Attack, something like that

[mossy zinc]

Note that the timing of Hallowed Ground is independent of the Special's hit. What that means is if you dash during the animation, you can delay your Special's hit because it won't trigger until the end of your dashes, but then Hallowed Ground will appear mid-dash.

[mossy zinc]

That will give you Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike > Dash-Strike.

[solar maple]

@bronze viper sea storm chiron is now the fastest non eris weapon

this is not a drill

[mossy zinc]

What you mean is Dash-Strike > Attack #1 > Dash > Attack #2 > Dash > Attack #3.

It is? On any heat?

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/822840340289290250/unknown.png

[bronze viper]

Oh I saw <3

[solar maple]

by lovcrimson

[gaunt fiber]

the run is amazing

[mossy zinc]

Down with the naysayers.

[gaunt fiber]

Lovecrimson plays in Tartarus

[hearty onyx]

That's incredible

[gaunt fiber]

then refuses to fight in aspho and ely

encounterless%

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah, sorry

[mossy zinc]

...

[gaunt fiber]

iirc you can also double dash strike

[jaunty falcon]

Is this run seeded?

[solar maple]

no

just absurd

[hearty onyx]

Damn that places him third on the leaderboard

[mossy zinc]

https://imgur.com/a/Z9Y4S7T

[jaunty falcon]

Chiron is normally slow as well

[gaunt fiber]

Congrats Nyaanyaa

you did it

[mossy zinc]

Thank you.

You may feed the naysayers to the sacred crocodiles now.

[gaunt fiber]

haha

I wonder if sea storm Guan Yu can go that fast

But I should stop running stupid things on this game

[solar maple]

chiron was generally considered one of the slowest, if not the slowest aspect

[jaunty falcon]

What about chaos shield

[solar maple]

and lov comes out with a low 6

absolutely ridiculous

chaos is also pretty slow

though bablo is known to go fast with it. but that's bablo

[jaunty falcon]

I can only go quick with Hestia, and even then it's not mind-blowing

[hearty onyx]

I want to see that Chiron footage

[halcyon flame]

sub 7 with sea storm chiron ???

[solar maple]

https://youtu.be/PwmYoER5254

is the video

[gaunt fiber]

It's worth to watch

The gameplay is really good too

[jaunty falcon]

Any chance of this strat beating Lili's 5:57?

[gaunt fiber]

No way imo

We have to remember that Lili had no survival room because of TD and no Thanatos

[jaunty falcon]

Oh yeah

[mossy zinc]

You think I have time to watch that?

[jaunty falcon]

So Lili's run could have been like 5:40

[gaunt fiber]

I don't know Nyaanyaa do as you wish

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah prolly

[mossy zinc]

I always do as I please.

[wintry berry]

50 heat Rama attempt: explosive shot 1st room, sniper shot in Ely, died at heroes bc TD3 timer

[halcyon flame]

guess why they timed out

[wintry berry]

I have AP2 btw

[gaunt fiber]

You can avoid AP2 if you want

[lusty mirage]

anybody wanting to learn GY heat strategies, Astaos coaching me on stream #self-promotion

[gaunt fiber]

Come or consequences

[bright mango]

Lol all you chiron seastorm naysayers

[solemn pulsar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/822864800924041256/unknown.png?width=1201&height=676

someone told me i wasn't cool because I didn't have any arthur runs on my youtube. now this will change

@mossy zinc eternal rose start :3

[mossy zinc]

Nice!

Congratulations!

[wind totem]

not sure where to ask this but its sorta related to heat so here: does lambent plume become more lenient if i have jury summons on?

[mossy zinc]

No.

[bright mango]

No

[wind totem]

thought so, thanks

[bright mango]

Beat me to it

[mossy zinc]

Gotta go fast.

[wind totem]

i need to max rank it soon but im already at heat 9 next run onwards

removed summons and put em3

[mossy zinc]

Just do like FO2 EM2. That's the go-to pact for speedruns. Should give you plenty of Heat.

[wind totem]

whats fo again

[mossy zinc]

Forced Overtime.

Enemies are faster.

They also spawn faster.

[wind totem]

ohh that one yea its fun

thanks for heads up

[bright mango]

Fo2 + em2 is 9 heat

So it works perfectly

[wind totem]

but is it possible to max out never used plume in one run?

[bright mango]

It’s a 0.2 difference

So probably

[wind totem]

i mean in terms of star rank

[bright mango]

Yeah

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

[bright mango]

Iirc level 1 is 1 dodge chance and level 3 is 1.2

Idk

I’ve not used it in a while

[wind totem]

yea i just didnt use it but i need to unlock hermes

[mossy zinc]

You won't get it to Lv.3 in one run.

[bright mango]

Oh ok

[wind totem]

how many u reckon

[jaunty falcon]

Why is Rama the go-to for high heat?

[bright mango]

I thought they were talking about max dodge chance

[mossy zinc]

Two I guess? I dunno, I haven't had to level keepsakes in forever lol.

[bright mango]

It’s really not

[mossy zinc]

It's not the go-to. It's just what Tailesque uses.

[bright mango]

^^^

[jaunty falcon]

Well, works for them very well clearly

[wind totem]

yea its just first time i bought i was really bad at the game and put god mode because wanted to see the story

[bright mango]

Yeah

If you’re good at it it’s amazing

[wind totem]

then felt bad about it and made new save without god mode so busy with it currently

[bright mango]

Great crowd control

Great single target damage

It’s just very hard to use

[jaunty falcon]

It was my first 32 heat weapon, then I used Hestia and it was so much easier tbh

[dire steppe]

i dont know how to use hestia :(

[bright mango]

Hestia is an amazing high heat weapon

How does the charged skewer + explosive launcher work again?

I forget

[dire steppe]

people said its unidirectional but that's false

[hearty onyx]

You can still charge the special?

[dire steppe]

the claim though is that you have to get charged first

[bright mango]

Ok

Thats what i thought

[mossy zinc]

1. Beowulf (11 players)
2. Eris (10)
3. Hestia, Arthur (9)
4. Rama, Achilles, Guan Yu, Nemesis (7)
5. Chiron, Demeter, Talos, Zag Rail, Poseidon (6)
6. Hera, Zag Bow, Zag Fists, Chaos, Zag Shield, Zeus, Hades (5)
7. Gilgamesh, Lucifer, Zag Spear, Zag Sword (4)

[bright mango]

That I had to get charged skewer first

[bright mango]

Is this 50?

[mossy zinc]

32+ unseeded.

Individual players.

[dire steppe]

Someone in here said they got exploding first and then charged though

[mossy zinc]

Any that are submitted t othe high heat leaderboard, anyway.

[jaunty falcon]

Is beowolf used for the special in high heat? I've heard the cast is only used in speedruns

[bright mango]

Which one is it tho?

[bright mango]

No cast

But you could cheese with charged flight

[mossy zinc]

Tailesque and Bright01 both got Exploding > Charged in both directions.

[shy plinth]

Def worth watching some of the vods in the sheet if you haven't, especially for beo

[bright mango]

Beowulf good

Plate good

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf is used for the Dragon-Rush.

[bright mango]

The damage is very good

[mossy zinc]

Turns out i-frames into big damage is gud.

[shy plinth]

Watching good beo players is fun and the first time you do it is mind-blowing

[dire steppe]

Pengy is good

[shy plinth]

Hi yes I'd like to exchange my iframes for a big cannon

[bright mango]

Wat

[solar maple]

beowulf is the go to high heat weapon

[shy plinth]

I hear it plays better on mac

[solar maple]

some say

[solemn pulsar]

10% more damage though

beowulf heat records should get an extra 0.5

for half a hard labor point :3

[shy plinth]

It's true tho

Harder labor

Gotta carry that big dumb plate everywhere

[solar maple]

yeah em4 spears doing 105 instead of 100

much harder

[jaunty falcon]

How does a literal shield make you take more damage? Doesn't make any sense

[solemn pulsar]

it heavy

[jaunty falcon]

Maybe it has spikes

[solar maple]

yeah I never really understood the beo debuff lol

[waxen relic]

Did someone confirm whether that extra hard labor is additive to HL or multiplicative?

[solar maple]

additive

[shy plinth]

Zagreus is tired from dragon that thing around everywhere

[jaunty falcon]

That logic should carry over to aspect of Arthur as well

[solemn pulsar]

arthur is different

it FILLS you with DETERMINATION

[jaunty falcon]

Excalibur is heavy too

[shy plinth]

Oh does that mean we get mid-run saves

[solemn pulsar]

and HP

[solar maple]

arthur stole guan yu's health

[mossy zinc]

Punny.

[hardy sonnet]

entering styx with 3 DDS and 252/252 health

i think i’m finally gonna clear 32 hestia

well not finally

been a day or so of practise

aa i’m excited

[mossy zinc]

Good luck!

[honest kernel]

Hope it goes well!!

[hardy sonnet]

oh and i got a two sack

oh yes

oh the stars have aligned on this day

as long as i don’t majorly choke in dad i’ve got this

oh i only took 50 damage through the entire first phase i have GOT THISSS

aaaa my hands are shaking lmao

ik 32 heat isnt a big deal for y’all crazy 50 heat players but i’m baby and unskilled lmfao

[honest kernel]

You can do this!!

dw you're doing much better than me, I'm still at 25 heat

[hardy sonnet]

youve got your run, i’ve got mine

let’s go kill dad

[honest kernel]

Get him.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/822888687388983336/unknown.png

👌

aphro win

[mossy zinc]

Wow, Flame Wheels are absolute cancer with Gilgamesh.

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations! 💕

[hardy sonnet]

did it :DD

[honest kernel]

nice!

[hardy sonnet]

how to beat flame wheels with gigly? it’s simple

buys flame wheel release

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that thing can't kill Flame Wheels fast without losing like 900 HP.

[honest kernel]

rip

[hardy sonnet]

try to maim and then just run

that’s what i do

[mossy zinc]

lol

m going for sub 10.

[bright mango]

Cast 🙂

[shy plinth]

Did y'all watch this Chiron run

Wtf is this

[wintry berry]

Let them crash on a wall

[hardy sonnet]

also i’m really good at fo2, like i play with it all the time. but the one thing i don’t like is that it makes the big chariots literally impossible to outrun

[shy plinth]

You dash through the chariots

[honest kernel]

The Chariots are my worst nightmare

[hardy sonnet]

(without greater haste or reflex or smn)

[honest kernel]

I somehow always get hit by them most of the time

[hardy sonnet]

also pro tip: hl3+em3 is a not nice combo

[bright mango]

You have to juke the small chariots

[shy plinth]

You get used to EM3

[hardy sonnet]

yeah

[bright mango]

Run through them

[hardy sonnet]

lol yeah make em suicide

[bright mango]

And they’ll eventually crash

[mossy zinc]

That's literally the only way lol.

[honest kernel]

I've pretty much gotten used to hard labor and em3 since that's where I get some of my heat from

[mossy zinc]

That or have Divine Dash.

[hardy sonnet]

giys i finished my 32 heat by perfect-catching a sturgeon

best day ever

[wintry berry]

meow boom

[shy plinth]

Grats!

[honest kernel]

Yay!!!!

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[hardy sonnet]

heehee

[mossy zinc]

You didn't highlight her boons.

[hardy sonnet]

lmao i’ve pressed the a button on my controller so much that it’s stopped clicking

[honest kernel]

That's just normal when fighting hades

ll

I didnt even know you could highlight stuff in the victory screen

[hardy sonnet]

dw took me over 100 runs to figure it out

[mossy zinc]

[tidal flame]

Bruh

[mossy zinc]

Now you know. 💕

[honest kernel]

I always just have it as default

I thought the game highlights the stuff that it thinks contributed the most?

[tidal flame]

Well make sure that True Shot and Deadly Flourish are highlighted

They contributed, right?

[mossy zinc]

It sometimes highlights very random stuff, I don't know what the algorithm for it is lol.

[honest kernel]

I'm pretty sure it just random stuff in the build