zag fists is also decent
#h1-high-heat-strategies
edgy arrow
edgy arrow
zag rail is good with spread fire, otherwise a little ehh
it’s fairly common consensus that the “worst” aspect in the game is either zag sword or zag spear tho
i personally lean zag sword, since imo any aspect that has access to flurry jab can’t be the worst
but flurryless zag spear is worse than zag sword
so kinda a matter of opinion
patent isle
i see
edgy arrow
that was a convoluted way of saying you’re correct; zag sword bad
unless you’re Retrash
normal rules of reality don’t apply to him
halcyon flame
why does flurry slash gotta have just mindblowingly awful dps
halcyon flame
but funny cursed + flurry slash
edgy arrow
oh
in that case ignore dash strike
meme to the finish line
cursed slash + flurry is actually lowkey good tho
halcyon flame
it's just that the damage is so eeuuuggghhhh
edgy arrow
yeah idk how damage works on zag sword lol
halcyon flame
at least you can easily heal back the damage you take from td because of how long it takes to kill enemies in later areas
swift strike + deadly strike and it still takes ages to kill a rat
so i guess if you get cursed flurry td3 is still free heat, just keep landing hits 
edgy arrow
i wouldn’t say free heat lol
i once lost a run doing that in the hades fight like 2 mins overtime
with HL5 a spin could one shot me on 60% health and i had to go hard or i’d die to the timer
only takes one mistake
unique zephyr
I'm getting much better at Beo
meaning I'm starting to see why it's so good
Fast AND safe
unlike poopy nem
I die to furies but that's just me learning beo
beo is actually fun too
edgy arrow
furies are actually kinda hard on beo
unique zephyr
I had alecto last time
halcyon flame
i've never had any issues
even without wave pounding on flood flare you should be able to deal with them just fine
edgy arrow
relatively speaking, that is
like, they’re still easier on beo than most other aspects
unique zephyr
Blessed run so far, got mirage shot 11th chamber and sea storm 10th chamber
edgy arrow
it’s most with CP2 HL5 FO2 they can be a problem
unique zephyr
hopefully I won't throw this run too early
edgy arrow
fight can get chaotic if you don’t insta phase them, and you don’t have much health that early
but you’re right it’s not too bad
unique zephyr
i'm still learning the aspect
so me not insta phasing them is mainly me learning beo
but yeah I see why people like beo
or am starting to
line up enemies, clean up a room fast
it feels like there are so few enemies with beo JS0
well, so far in tartarus anyway
halcyon flame
huge shame that sea storm doesn't work on flood flare
edgy arrow
it does not yeah
edgy arrow
because of the way that knockback works with multiple effects trigger really fast
regular flood shot works
but yeah even on beo it should proc on the last cast that comes out, as far as i can tell the fact that it doesn’t is straight up a bug
edgy arrow
hm, has no one reported it?
yeah they know about it
unique zephyr
oh right shield knockback
edgy arrow
they’ve made it clear they’re not planning on fixing it tho
kinda annoying but what ya gonna do
unique zephyr
...did they give a reason?
edgy arrow
because the instances of flood flare all happen really close together, they don’t properly knock back enemies so sea storm doesn’t proc, which is their intended behaviour for sea storm
but the last cast does knockback enemies, so it should proc then
they haven’t explained why they won’t fix that as far as i know
hearty onyx
Maybe they think the extra 40 damage isn't worth fixing
unique zephyr
wow, learning how to use beo, basically one shotting Meg boss phases...beo good!?
let's see how asphodel goes
unique zephyr
Died to Theseus, beo very strong though
I see what people mean by beowulf wanting a lot of boons
sucks when poseidon doesn't give you a starting cast boon after 2 rerolls though
i can get 32 with beo eventually, I can feel it
mossy zinc
It is way more.
solar maple
nem's problem is not its dps
solar maple
it has very good base dps
nem can start athena dash and clear JS3 CP2 TD3 tart
the main problem with it is it has a very unsafe dps combo
especially vs bosses
mossy zinc
solar maple
nem is not a good high heat weapon
but it does have good damage
if it does go slow, it is because you are forced to play safe due to how vulnerable the main combo is
what are you comparing it to when you say it has bad dps?
waxen relic
you talking about Dedge Nemesis or what?
solar maple
just nem
nem has good damage. It does fall off a bit later without dedge though
though with dedge it probably has the highest early dps of any aspect in the game
solar maple
as I said above, I don't think nem is a very good high heat weapon
as to do good damage it has to use its very unsafe attack combo
where you could do similar damage powershotting from afar with rama, or more with hestia from complete safety
waxen relic
Doing TD3 CP2 JS3 is a Strength anyway.
solar maple
yes it has the damage to clear very timer tight pacts
when I died on 50 heat nem it was almost never to timer
though I did die every time lol
waxen relic
but did you stress your timer or did you stress your safety with your pact?
solar maple
I tried a few pacts
DC2 CP0 was definitely the tightest on the timer,
I had the most success with RI0 iirc
so quite a bit of safety
also you are no good with sword because sword with 1 dash is terrible lol
I've died enough times on first run to know that
waxen relic
partly, sure
solar maple
have you tried fresh file?
waxen relic
I think i like RI4 Smoldering Air more than First Run ME
So like this: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/820414492642639882/20210313225245_1.jpg
shy gulch
no way u do RI4 LC4 without something like cursed slash
edgy arrow
i can imagine haha
waxen relic
Oh, but the First Cursed Slash was Zeus Special
solar maple
seeing this screenshot makes me want to do a mirrorless cast build on poseidon lol
edgy arrow
really? would’ve thought getting an extra cast in tart wouldn’t be harder than finding cursed slash before furies
waxen relic
getting an extra Cast doesn't award you 4 Heat
solar maple
not really because no rolls
solar maple
similar odds on chaos giving cast as hammer giving cursed
so if you bank a roll it's better
waxen relic
I was lucky in getting it. Also AP0 Hammers 
edgy arrow
AP0 so good
i wish i could run it all the time
wait that’s speedrunning
nope bad at that
waxen relic
Also Cast Build prolly means DC0, at which point you're missing 6 Heat from my easy pact
solar maple
yeah I would probably run something like TD3 FO1
waxen relic
that was my standard before actually.
edgy arrow
i’ve been trying a bit
but it’s hard lol
i think i need to watch a lot more speedruns; i’m probably wasting a lot of time in ways i’m not even aware of
shy gulch
yeah one thing abt speedrunning is that sometimes it can be difficult to identify mistakes, especially if u haven’t been running for a while
idk just watching good runners or getting one to do a vod review is always good
edgy arrow
makes sense
i don't usually record my speedruns but maybe i should do that at some point
spice lava
Watching different runners is good, it's giving perspective to how people are good with an aspect
shy gulch
yeah
when learning a new aspect for heat or speed I like to do a kind of cycle of do runs -> watch good players -> do runs and repeat
playing the aspect myself for a bit helps me spot the more subtle things ppl do
lately I’ve been too lazy to watch ppl tho and I just keep doing runs instead LUL
spice lava
Will you go back on the terrible 50 heat with another aspect ? 😄
shy gulch
me?
spice lava
Yea
wintry berry
Sometimes I find myself terrible when rewatching mmy recordings
shy gulch
I do intend to finish some high heat goals later but I’m just enjoying speedrunning more atm
edgy arrow
i'm not powerful enough to rewatch my old recordings
spice lava
Best part is when you start studying 50 heat by watching Tail's moves and you feel like a part of your brain is missing to reach that level 👀 💦
edgy arrow
Tail has an extra brain just for hades probably
spice lava
Or when you watch randomly the board like the zag fists run of Hadesprof and then you start thinking feather is a good idea at 50 heat 😄
I just need a bit of motivation to start evil plans with Astaos
Like testing red reroll at 50
spice lava
Hiya
twin crypt
When do you chaps suppose that high heat begins?
32?
It's obviously not a particularly important distinction, I'm just curious where high heat begins and low heat ends
spice lava
On the speedrun community, it's considered that high heat starts at 32
edgy arrow
32 is also the bar for submitting to the high heat clears spreadsheet
spice lava
Following the established challenges from the game itself
edgy arrow
so around there probably
mossy zinc
High heat leaderboard starts at 32, yeah.
edgy arrow
personally i think it’s a pretty subjective thing tho
high heat is whatever heat you look at and think “that’s high”
spice lava
Speedrun is completely subjective from the start because rules are made by humans 😏
mossy zinc
Well, this channel isn't speedrun, anyway. 
edgy arrow
this whole game was made by humans so just have fun and do whatever you want basically
spice lava
But people made rules and people agree or disagree with them, always the same pattern
mossy zinc
No.
People agree with my rules for the high heat leaderboard or are fed to my sacred crocodiles.
mossy zinc
edgy arrow
welp, sacred crocs gotta eat whatcha gonna do
waxen relic
What a nose
spice lava
High heat sacrifices people on its own, nyaanyaa doesn't have that much work to do
edgy arrow
high heat rough sometimes
edgy arrow
are you saying Nyaanyaa is Obi Wan?
spice lava
In a way yes 👀
edgy arrow
this is a complicated crossover fanfic now
edgy arrow
be careful; she’s got crocodiles and she’s not afraid to use them
gaunt fiber
*I am your father*
No...
twin crypt
Thank you for the answers!
spice lava
I think 32 heat is a fair high heat bar because when I lurk people playing Hades, they clearly see speed at low heat when they try to do times like sub 10 but when they try 32 they are only wondering if the run is doable
It's already set in their minds as high heat
mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
The key to sub 10 is streaming
and hunter dash
Nemesis without hunter dash is really sad
even more if no Heart Rend/Dedge
solar maple
I'm still mad that my nem pb doesn't have dedge lol
even 2nd hammer dedge would have given sub 8 that run
mossy zinc
Was just annoyed I was .18 behind my PB.
There, that's better. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822051474497470464/Hades_1516.png?width=717&height=403
honest kernel
very cool 
mossy zinc
Ty ty. 💕
mossy zinc
Stupid 3-sack and Tiny Vermin. 
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822058512867131392/Hades_1518.png?width=717&height=403
solar maple
you'll get the sub 10 soon
starting special to end up on the normal build? lol
well with athena dash
mossy zinc
Didn't want to reroll for a common Attack when there was an Epic Flourish.
solar maple
I just got the most valuable normal room meg I've ever had
it hit 2 armored shield guys and 2 armored chariots
on 50 heat nem
yeah epic aphro special start is pretty good ngl
it one shots lots of stuff
pseudo kernel
f
solar maple
can't realy ask for a better build than this on 50
dedge + athena dash
I even got a DD in tart that I lost vs alecto lol
only things missing for full rng carry is patty + 2 sack instead of 3
bright mango
I have no idea how retrash did nemesis 57
solar maple
yeah I can't even fight normal dad with it LOL
mossy zinc
There we go. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822080801092796436/Hades_1526.png?width=717&height=403
Standard Nemesis build. 
gaunt fiber
Hunter dash 
mossy zinc
Pretty sure Tidal Dash would have contributed more damage.
solar maple
common lv 1 hunter dash is +50%. base 30 *2 for double edge so 30 per attack. Then when you factor in crits from nem buff, it goes to +48 expected damage per dash strike
common tidal dash is 35
mossy zinc
In a much better AOE.
solar maple
hunter dash is also more important on arty attack
the tidal dash messes up your grouping quite often I find
mossy zinc
On Deadly Strike, sure.
gaunt fiber
Hunter dash is just too much
mossy zinc
But not in that build.
solar maple
and the aoe isn't that relevant. usually you can hit everything a tidal dash would hit with a dash strike
tidal dash is underrated on nem though I agree
gaunt fiber
the tidal dash messes up your grouping quite often I find
Yeah same for Guan Yu, it's still great but sometimes it's a bit messy
solar maple
basically, with non of the nem scaling tidal dash is more damage but more awkward
then as you get more of the nem scaling arty dash pulls ahead
solar maple
the scaling being double edge, heart rend, arty attack, etc
there is a reason tidal dash is the preferred dash on poseidon sword. It is quite strong
gaunt fiber
yeah it goes super well with deadly strike
But oddly
Nyaanyaa does not run Deadly Strike but the weird pink boons instead 
:D
solemn pulsar
there is a reason tidal dash is the preferred dash on poseidon sword. It is qui...
also because it unlocks mirage
yeah if you run pink boons you want a damaging dash probably
gaunt fiber
you know it's divine dash 
solemn pulsar
if your poseidon build is reliant on a lot of up close precision passion dash may also be good, so you don't have too much knockback
like on a crush shot build, splash dash is anti-synergy
drowsy perch
yea
bright mango
@solemn pulsar Does your nem run not have any sound or is my sound broken?
Bcs all other videos on youtube still have sound for me
gaunt fiber
Update on Guan Yu winrate : it is now 3.6%
bright mango
poggers
solemn pulsar
<@!334853357871169536> Does your nem run not have any sound or is my sound broke...
no sound my OBS is borked
bright mango
ok
solemn pulsar
it just like doens't have sound in half my recordings
the weird part is I set it up so it only records game audio, and it's sending game audio to my headphones THROUGH OBS
bright mango
i was fiddling around with my headphones in my computer trying to hear sound
bright mango
Oof
solemn pulsar
i'll add a note in the description
solemn pulsar
can't believe I dropped it. elysium midshop is my kryptonite. got a super lucky ch34 and 2 sack though, but would have been like 10 seconds faster otherwise 😭
best run i'd had yet up to that point
solemn pulsar
yeah everything after butterfly ball was unrouted
it's supposed to be 1 more dash strike chaos -> thanatos 34, i got an extra cast chaos into a normal 34
and then i was full unrouted for styx
bright mango
You got a really nice c34
solemn pulsar
verrrrry lucky there
mossy zinc
@solemn pulsar make sure you haven't set your game audio to monitor only.
solemn pulsar
hmm, thought I put it to monitor + output, but I will check, thanks for the call out
mossy zinc
quartz mantle
Does Blown Kiss even work with Hera?
Like doesn't your arrow hit before your cast?
mossy zinc
But your arrow will only hit one enemy. Blown Kiss has really good AOE.
mossy zinc
Passion Flare doesn't unlock it.
quartz mantle
solemn pulsar
Blown kiss has some wonky interactions on Hera
quartz mantle
That would be pretty nuts with beo tho
solemn pulsar
It can work fine, but can also just miss for no reason sometime
If you’re used to it’s behavior, as I imagine nyaa is, then it’s fine
solar maple
absurdly lucky seeded 50 heat poseidon run
probably my luckiest ever high heat run
mom pom epic cast seed
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
solar maple
it felt like cheating LOL
solar maple
ouch
edgy arrow
oof
bright mango
f
halcyon flame
passion flare moment
bright mango
For speedrunning?
solar maple
yeah it was actually the main strat back in the day
before dio beo was big
then after that pos cast caught on
but pash flare is still quite good, and very consistent
it just struggles with groups more than pos cast (and so is slightly slower on average), and doesn't have the top end that dio beo does
true fable
ive gotten solid times with it
ananke also has like a 7:0x with it this patch i think
solar maple
bright I have come to the conclusion that AP2 is free heat
true fable
LOL
solar maple
I tried to use attack to kill like 1 eye in elysium
true fable
the fiery presence is interesring
solar maple
fiery is better if you don't attack
and also makes chaos better
I don't really use attacks vs strong enemies
solemn pulsar
purple rav will
solar maple
only like numbskulls and things
solemn pulsar
MIRAGE SHOT
halcyon flame
oh so that was seeded?
halcyon flame
oh wait no i got it mixed up i thought you actually meant routed
solar maple
nah just c1
halcyon flame
true fable
why is it better
halcyon flame
how the hell do you get lvl3 exit wounds on ap2
true fable
doesnt it only apply to special
solar maple
chaos?
true fable
fiery
true fable
fair
solar maple
vs big things it is mostly just casts + special
if I'm dashing around big stuff it's mostly dash specials or empty dahses for I frames
mossy zinc
solar maple
and I felt the flurry slash in my bones LOL
bright mango
yayy nyaanyaa
solar maple
nice!
bright mango
Speedrunning all weps sub 10
solar maple
sub 10 each weapon
true fable
congrats nyaanyaa
solar maple
big milestone
mossy zinc
Ty ty.
solar maple
how the hell do you get lvl3 exit wounds on ap2
mom pom for tart and aspho LOL
true fable
lol
solar maple
only 1 more room for another pom
how was I going to turn that down
when my 3 boons were cast/zeus special/exit wounds
halcyon flame
brings me back to when my strat for the first few clears was just get as many boons as possible
i had no idea how to make a good build whatsoever at the time, my first clear was literally almost fists ME but i had curse of pain and not divine flourish
shame to you, spammy from 2 months ago for taking curse of pain instead of divine flourish
actually 3 months ago
mossy zinc
true fable
are you doing all aspects sub 10?
mossy zinc
Dunno. Might as well. Maybe I'll get bored before then.
true fable
chiron may be pain
mossy zinc
I like playing Chiron, so it's fine.
spice lava
Elysium Chiron is painful at 50 heat atm 👀 💦
halcyon flame
don't get hit now
mossy zinc
What's the issue in Elysium?
spice lava
Shield warriors and archers mainly
true fable
ya-gg = yajijy?
spice lava
Aye
mossy zinc
Piercing Volley helps a ton.
patent isle
what chiron special do you like most nyaa
spice lava
Ok let me explain: yajijy was my speedrun name but I found out while doing speedrun marathons abroad that the j pronounciation is painful to guess. So when there's a marathon, when people read ya-gg, it's easier
pseudo kernel
thats actually a sick name
spice lava
But dont worry @true fable , Astaos did the same and first meetings on twitch tchat were like him saying "who are you to talk about high heat" 😄
spice lava
@mossy zinc maybe yajijy 👀
mossy zinc
Yajijy is shy dumb Astaos?
spice lava
Perhaps
I think that first day meeting Astaos, I decided GY will be last on my 50 heat list 👀
gaunt fiber
But dont worry <@461369378315960330> , Astaos did the same and first meetings on...
That's wrong
I just did the link between yajijy and ya-gg and I was like "gg man you have my utmost respect"
mossy zinc
Why is Talos so slow.
true fable
are you MEing
mossy zinc
I start with the Eternal Rose.
bright mango
of course
gaunt fiber
So yajijy is me but shy and dumb?
gaunt fiber
because I'm already dumb right
true fable
apparently not
spice lava
If you say so
dense gale
well I got my nemesis 32, but in an... untraditional build. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/767956652920930324/821952096467288084/unknown.png
working on zag sword now.
shy plinth
Tidal dash ME is atypical
dense gale
I do not recommend trying to get ME and sea storm in the same build
patent isle
i thought poseidon dash didnt give sea storm anymore
true fable
it dont
patent isle
i see
dense gale
I honestly don't remember the order I got the boons, but I was mostly practicing and tried pivoting from ME to sea storm halfway through and ended up with this nonsense.
vital grove
Nice epic rush delivery
patent isle
so closee
i know TD1 turns off the "survive" rooms
if TD3 made it a 3-sack at worst thatd be cool
like just making the probability 1-6 roll still but then making anything above 3 a 3sack
mossy zinc
I've no problem getting sub 10 with Zag or Demeter Fists.
But Talos's Dash-Upper is. so. slow.
patent isle
:(
bright mango
@gaunt fiber I’ve been trying the dire misfortune build. I am in asphodel and have 5 ares boon. I even have the ares legendary but he has still not given me dire misfortune yet
This boon is a myth
gaunt fiber
It's impossible to get
honest kernel
I never get it when I need it yeah
mossy zinc
Blade Dash was just to help me get Smoldering Air and Splitting Bolt. Not gonna waste poms on that.
gaunt fiber
But Talos's Dash-Upper is. so. slow.
How would a hybrid cast build do?
solemn pulsar
talos has decent synergy with crush shot
then pick up zeus attack and build into smoldering
mossy zinc
That's what I do.
solemn pulsar
ah
bright mango
Ok lessoned learned
solemn pulsar
would you say the tartarus is the slow part?
bright mango
Never take elysium erebus gates
gaunt fiber
But it's not pommed :(
mossy zinc
Tartarus is alright. It's slow after that.
solemn pulsar
when do you pick up zeus attack
mossy zinc
When I see it.
If it's not between like a common Lightning Strike and an Epic Call or something.
solemn pulsar
are you starting flourish or crush shot?
mossy zinc
Crush Shot.
solemn pulsar
yeah the build path seems to be as solid as can be with starting eternal rose
bright mango
@gaunt fiber my hades fight dooms were doing 1k consistently
I had pp but doom didnt crit once
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
Thanks!
shy plinth
Talos And Chill%
vital grove
I had fun with a deadly strike heavy knuckle talos
solemn pulsar
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/822205358943895612/H...
"talos special too slow"
ditches special
yessss
nice adjustment
bright mango
LMAO. I took a chaos curse of 88% more enemies then 106% social damage. I’m on the last chamber with cloner ringers, and right as I special the last enemy, I step on a trap and die
With guan yu
gaunt fiber
Social damage pog
patent isle
Blade Dash was just to help me get Smoldering Air and Splitting Bolt. Not gonna ...
just wondering, how does blade dash count towards those duos/legendaries?
gaunt fiber
It fills a core boon slot, hence you have higher chance to roll a duo
gaunt fiber
Yeah
mossy zinc
Yeah, and it doesn't unlock Curse of Longing.
Which is good if I don't want that anyway.
mossy zinc
Sure.
hardy sonnet
cool!
i’m going for a 32 heat hesita
i’m getting very close
died to dad twice
died to styx once
but i just can’t seem to have more than one DD by the end/ enough health to not get crushed in styx
my pact setup is td3, fo2, uc, mm, bp2, em2, and various amounts of the top lot depending on my mood
true fable
seems fine so far
hardy sonnet
my mirror setup is fiery presence, then all red until family favourites, dark foresight then back to red for, gods pride, and fated authority
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
true fable
run fated persuash
mossy zinc
There you go.
hardy sonnet
are there any glaring holes in my setup or is it just timing and luck now
oop sorry that was a typo
i always run fated persuasion
brain no work
me and u have very different play styles. i’m team DD all the way and i suck at em3 so bad
mossy zinc
EM3 FO0 shouldn't be an issue.
mossy zinc
And Stubborn Defiance is for LC4.
hardy sonnet
honestly i can’t play without forced overtime
i just have to have it on
it helps me adjust
hardy sonnet
bruh i said c*cky
mossy zinc
FO0 would be a whole lot easier especially if you're normally comfortable with FO2. That's the idea.
hardy sonnet
otherwise i get oVeRcOnfiDeNt
thank u mr mod bot
hm not a bad idea actually
but fo2 is 6 heat and em3 is 3
so i think ill stay consistent
also it should be illegal to get 5 sacked and tiny vermin’d on 32 heat
i’m still salty
shy plinth
Getting used to EM3 will help a lot, and it's a pretty good deal for 3 heat
unique zephyr
Having a really hard time getting 32 heat for sword and shield :/
unique zephyr
EM3 will become something you regularly turn on at high heat so it's worth getting used to
mossy zinc
me and u have very different play styles. i’m team DD all the way and i suck at ...
Not a really a personal playstyle btw. LC4 + SD is meta at high heat.
mossy zinc
unique zephyr
So how does charged shot interact with Beo's casts
unique zephyr
I am right now, the thing is I'm not sure how to time my cast loading
bright mango
It’s really good
gaunt fiber
You don't have a bullrush, instead you pew pew pew booooom
bright mango
Charged shot is amazing
shy plinth
Charged shot = hera bow
mossy zinc
Mash Cast button while spamming Charged Shots.
shy plinth
Except instead of being vulnerable while you're charging, you are not
bright mango
You want to be loading your casts while dashing
gaunt fiber
Because you have to aim
mossy zinc
I guess you overshoot or undershoot or just shoot in the opposite direction? I dunno.
unique zephyr
Does it only explode right at the very end of where the shot would land? I need to do it further away then
mossy zinc
Yes.
Well, you can just let go asap.
You don't really want to spend a lot of time charging, just snap-release pretty much.
unique zephyr
So the opposite of regular bull rush almost
got it
I really hope I at least get shield 32 soon
I can wait on sword, because sword icky
mossy zinc
Hmmm. You don't want to charge your regular Bull-Rush for too long either. That's downtime where you're not doing damage.
mossy zinc
Use arthur
I've been telling him that for like a week now.
unique zephyr
does arthur like CF? I probably need to do CF if I turn off forced overtime
unique zephyr
or at least, does arthur not mind convenience fee
I haven't been having a good Hades day the past few days, I guess that's normal to happen though
I hope I can get to the point of skill where I can eventually start trying to streak 32
but I'm far from there yet 😛
hardy sonnet
hestia run, arty build. do i take tartsrus hammer or elite arty room?
unique zephyr
do you have arty on attack yet
hardy sonnet
epic deadly strike
shy plinth
No idea what your boons are yet
shy plinth
The game will try to give you more hammers then
hardy sonnet
all i have is deadly strike and a chaos curse
shy plinth
I'd probs go for the less likely room with Arty
unique zephyr
Also, Hestia isn't super hammer reliant
hardy sonnet
cool :)
unique zephyr
in my experience
hardy sonnet
but piercing fire and ricochet fire
mossy zinc
Practically always miniboss over normal encounters.
hardy sonnet
acc no i have 5 refills i can get hunters mark in chamber 4 am i crazy
thanks y’all
lmaoo got the hammer next chamber
never punished
shy plinth
The game really wants you to have a hammer in tart
It'll usually show it a couple times
hardy sonnet
my first three boons were epic deadly strike, rare hunters mark, and epic divine dash
if i don’t clear this run it’s on me tbh
shy plinth
Buy some crappy boon in end shop
hardy sonnet
good call
shy plinth
Honestly does not matter what it is
Well okay don't buy premium vintage, rare crop, or nourished soul
unique zephyr
I know Athena DDs are always good to take, but I'm curious: can those boons be sold?
I never see them as options in the well
I'll do arthur after I get my beo clear
arthur just needs big damage on attack right?
waxen relic
I know Athena DDs are always good to take, but I'm curious: can those boons be s...
Nope
Everything with pickup-effect can't be sold
mossy zinc
Ugh, Elysium is kind of a pain with Gilgamesh.
shy plinth
That sentence is two accurate halves that do not have to be related
"Elysium is kind of a pain" and "x is a pain with Gilga"
mossy zinc
Tartarus is really fast.
unique zephyr
I feel myself getting better, 32 heat is my no means easy for me yet at all though
I wonder how long it took for people to feel that 32 is easy for them
hardy sonnet
this is to make up for my five sack and vermin and no patty last run
gaunt fiber
I wonder how long it took for people to feel that 32 is easy for them
Honestly I did not bother to get good for 32 to be easy
I just played the game because it's fun
and eventually you learn
shy plinth
^
gaunt fiber
Congrats lil ghost
unique zephyr
Yeah I’m still having fun even when losing
bronze viper
Most likely what will happen is that when you get comfy with 40 heat, not necessarily easy, but you know your way around it, obviously -8 heat for 32 for those aspects will be easy
mossy zinc
Remind me not to take Rush Kick again on Gilgamesh.
hardy sonnet
b r o i am having the worst elusium i have ever had
no mid shop
no artemis the whole time
just the worst chambers i’ve ever seen
i timed out
bright mango
I've been telling him that for like a week now. <:dusa:522248771409543188>
lol
Arthur carries itself
bright mango
such a good start too
At 32
hardy sonnet
yeah
mossy zinc
Just gotta speed things up a little.
hardy sonnet
let’s see if i can clear heroes with one DD, 80 health, and zero time left lol
update: i have proceeded to die
hardy sonnet
i put it up in chat one sec lemme scroll
my pact setup is td3, fo2, uc, mm, bp2, em2, and various amounts of the top lot depending on my mood
shy plinth
Reasonable enough
hardy sonnet
yay i’m reasonable
hardy sonnet
60% JS, no cp or dc
shy plinth
Oh
hardy sonnet
it’s on hestia tho
mossy zinc
Yeah, don't take JS3 at 32.
shy plinth
I'd recommend it
hardy sonnet
thanks for the help y’all, bye :)
shy plinth
GLHF
hardy sonnet
hades brain made me read that as a pact condition
mossy zinc
No surprise you're timing out.
shy plinth
Nah the only pact condition that makes you turn off fun is AP2 😉
shy plinth
Yes precisely
shy plinth
I'm always proud of you Astaos
wanton plover
so wholesome 🥺
gaunt fiber
he sure is
hardy sonnet
bro i just knocked hades half health with arty
(call)
what’s the steam key to record the past 30 seconds?
oops wrong channel
unique zephyr
All of my runs have been awful recently, not sure what to do about that
gaunt fiber
Don't think about it. Chill, take a break and come back better
we all have awful gaming days
bright mango
yeah
dire steppe
dw sage you are a good player
bright mango
I just did random crap today because I am sick of 50 resets
dire steppe
bad beo? have you tried using good beo?
bright mango
lol yeah
I go to sleep thinking about it every night
if I don't clear in the next week I'm going to be really mad
gaunt fiber
I'll try Zeusgamesh tomorrow again
bright mango
yesss
gaunt fiber
was too much fun
mossy zinc
All of my runs have been awful recently, not sure what to do about that
Just keep focusing on learning. The wins will come.
bright mango
^^^
unique zephyr
for beo I'm not sure what to focus on learning
like I load casts during rush but not all of the casts hit
like some of them just uselessly miss the enemies
especially bosses
mossy zinc
If your casts don't hit, it's either because there's an obstacle in the way or the enemies are outside of the cast AOE.
bright mango
At the end of the bullrush
Doesn't matter if it hits someone or not
@unique zephyr you should really watch some beo runs
it helps
unique zephyr
I should pay more attention to the mechanics than boon choices right?
mossy zinc
There are plenty of enemies in Tartarus that you can just kill with a Dash-Strike or normal Attack. No need to use your Casts for those.
bright mango
^
mossy zinc
Just pay attention to both.
unique zephyr
I noticed some enemies don’t die even with three casts, mainly the elites with the +HP buff
eternal hare
make sure you're putting poms into your casts whenever possible
mossy zinc
For those, just Bull-Rush once with your Casts loaded, charge again immediately and turn around, wait for your casts to drop and rush through them, mash cast button to load them mid-rush.
Just that back and forth pretty much.
shy plinth
Yeah just watch a lot of runs - work on using rush as your first dash instead of your third and efficiently hitting enemies
It's just a question of practicing and getting the core gameplay down
mossy zinc
I dunno. If you're not vibing with Beowulf quite yet, maybe play a different shield or do something else, and come back to Beowulf sometime later.
bright mango
lol I can't get over how smooth pseudo's beo gameplay is
shy plinth
The movement precision is pretty amazing
bright mango
ikr
mossy zinc
Beowulf punishes mistakes pretty hard.
bright mango
Just the hades fight was so satisfying to watch
mossy zinc
If you whiff your casts often, you'll just do no damage.
If you don't watch where you're Bull-Rushing, you'll find yourself in a lot of bad situations.
unique zephyr
I have sword and shield left and I don’t vibe with either yet
I got to Hades in mirrorless Hestia 32 at least the one time I tried it
I just take way too much time fighting bosses
bright mango
Make savestates
mossy zinc
Maybe work on that or 41 Heat or something.
mossy zinc
Also yeah, practicing boss fights goes a very long way.
bright mango
i feel much more confident in the hades fight now after practicing it a bunch
mossy zinc
I didn't do all weapons 32 until like 500 hours in or something, I believe.
bright mango
I'll give it a shot
bright mango
I just did random stuff today instead of resetting for an attack boon
So tomorrow I am back on the grind
mossy zinc
Yeah, I've had enough for tonight. Getting a little frustrated with Gilgamesh.
bright mango
yeah today was just random 20-32 heat shennigans
Also guan yu 45
That didn't go well
Drakons happened
mossy zinc
Dracons are brutal.
halcyon flame
dracons 😔
bright mango
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
gaunt fiber
Check the pins for some 32 heat directions
bright mango
oh wait no
rigid moon
what weapon?
bright mango
Dont start eternal rose
Hestia is the best 32 weapon
or eris
Schad's 32 guide is really good
He does a sample run
bright mango
Everything but eternal rose
Unless your build needs aphrodite
Don't listen to nyaanyaa
she is biased
bronze viper
(simp)
halcyon flame
there's no practical reason to go eternal rose > owl pendant
mossy zinc
There is.
halcyon flame
do their boons even synergize
light stag
Only equip Aphro keepsake if you need Aphro boons
mossy zinc
Highest % damage + Weak, and Owl Pendant gives Divine Dash + DDs.
bright mango
aphro isn't bad but artemis is better 🙂
mossy zinc
She doesn't have Weak.
halcyon flame
you do bring up a good point with weak, aphro is super helpful for survivability alone
gaunt fiber
🍿
bright mango
Ok you have a point
bronze viper
What aspect are we even talking about lol
bright mango
Go rose start(if you are a wimp) and artemis if you are gaming
bronze viper
what weapon?
What aspects do you enjoy playing?
mossy zinc
I mean the guide makes for an easy 32 on every aspect lol.
bronze viper
I think Aphro is just better for 32 heat. You don't need the damage and the Smoldering Air route is obscene
Fwiw
bright mango
true
mossy zinc
Chiron definitely wants to start with the Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike.
bright mango
With aphro you can pretty much one shot anything at 32
bronze viper
Chiron definitely wants to start with the Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike.
Stahp
bright mango
With hestia
mossy zinc
You can go either Deadly Flourish + Heart Rend or Drunken Flourish + Low Tolerance from there.
Doesn't get more optimal than that.
rigid moon
bright mango
There is some truth in that
bronze viper
Starting your attack boon on Chiron is like starting your attack boon on Beowulf
mossy zinc
I just do the same thing I'd do in a speedrun.
bright mango
Like you can do anything
mossy zinc
Except I might die occasionally.
bright mango
Also @rigid moon if you are used to fo2 I would put it on
It lightens the load on other stuff
mossy zinc
Oh they had speeder + slugger? Woops, maybe I should pay attention next time.
bright mango
Thats what she said
bronze viper
Let's back up. @rigid moon, what aspects are you looking at for 32, and what is the pact that you tried. You mentioned that your issue was timing out in Tartarus?
rigid moon
I was trying Shads recommendation
light stag
I don't know what everyone's obsession with Artemis Attack/Special is
mossy zinc
Can't confirm. I never watched it. Didn't help me at all.
light stag
Especially on Special where you can't dash strike
bronze viper
It's not really an obsession. It just works. At base, the boons are as strong as Aphro's but you get a lot more scaling from %damage and herT2 boons are lit
bright mango
^^^
I should probably seed aphrodite start with hestia
Since with ap2 hunters mark is impossible
Especially if I get a rare or epic attack
light stag
Yeah but you are not guaranteed you're going to get any +% damage
bright mango
make nyaanyaa proud
edgy arrow
the only reason to go aphro over arty is safety and duos
arty is explicitly more damage
bronze viper
Depending on mirror, FF, Shadow Presence, Boiling Blood are pretty guaranteed
halcyon flame
going for arty start is probably better with td3 on
light stag
On attack it is not hard because you can get Hunter Dash + Chaos dash boons
bronze viper
That's not including +damage from hammers, Chaos, random nonsense like Urge to Kill/Sweet Surrender/Hydraulic Might/Battle Rage
mossy zinc
It's not like TD3 should be a problem either way.
bright mango
At 32 td3 shouldn't be that bad
halcyon flame
yeah curse of nausea + low tolerance should be an easy td3
rigid moon
is rama better with TD3?
mossy zinc
Wut.
bright mango
rama is hard to use
mossy zinc
Chiron has no problem with TD3 at 32.
bright mango
Chiron has no problem with TD3 at 32.
if you have no 32 experience yeah it is
edgy arrow
just don't run JS/CP
mossy zinc
Lady Aphrodite did 32 first try with Chiron with TD3.
bright mango
DC is sorta free on chiron
bright mango
DC1
edgy arrow
DC is sorta free on chiron
wrong
halcyon flame
td3 chiron with jury summons is bad for several obvious reasons
dc1 is not free on chiron
mossy zinc
I really wish people would stop saying that lol.
bronze viper
DC is sorta free on chiron
Definitely not
bright mango
DC1 on chiron isn't terrible
halcyon flame
you're gonna need that attack damage in tart
bronze viper
DC is terrible on Chiron
bright mango
Just dont powershot
gaunt fiber
take DC1 and just special without attacking
bright mango
Lol I dont have a problem with chiron timer at 32
I dont take DC either
I'm just talking about a beginner
mossy zinc
You don't need to power-shoot to kill stuff like Numbskulls either way, but DC1 will hurt you.
edgy arrow
if you don't take it why are you recommending it to beginners lol
bright mango
Where other heats might be harder to take
mossy zinc
Your advice is questionable.
bright mango
if you don't take it why are you recommending it to beginners lol
bcs I can take other pacts
That might be tougher for beginners
Eg em4 or fo2
light stag
Shadow Presence doesn't apply to all hits and since crits are unrealiable, less so
bronze viper
Better question, who is this advice even targetted for. The person in question is getting so much discordant data about random aspects from all over the place, this isn't helpful
bright mango
DC2 (free on Eris, I would argue free on Chiron, but judge based on your chosen aspect).
light stag
Boiling blood is only guaranteed on bosses/single targets
bright mango
Also schad agrees
edgy arrow
yeah who is this for
bronze viper
It makes way more sense to at least drill down the aspects they like playing and help them come up a pact set for them to try, versus suggesting these weird ideas of "easiest" aspects at 32. Which I don't think actually exists. It's so subjective
unique zephyr
I did my first 32 with schad’s pact but learned FO2 and now has that pact with FO2 and no CF and only one HL
unique zephyr
It makes way more sense to at least drill down the aspects they like playing and...
I agree with this
edgy arrow
easiest aspect at 32 is pre nerf chaos
that doesn't exist anymore so do whatever you want
bright mango
Lol yeah just figure out your pact @rigid moon
rigid moon
ok
mossy zinc
bright mango
yet it worked
light stag
Like Deadly flourish is way less usefull on Chiron - there is only 1 hammer which gives +special damage to bow and it is only against armor
