#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 294

celest grail Mar 17, 2021, 2:29 PM

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its an electron app lol

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its literally just the web version, but in an app framework

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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That's what I get for coming back from the kitchen and not even bothering to scroll up. zaglol

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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celest grail its literally just the web version, but in an app framework

oh im on mac so it doesn't have a shortcut lol

celest grail Mar 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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rip

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 2:30 PM

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I wanted to catch you lurking again.

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:34 PM

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I am so bad at shield wow

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 2:35 PM

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You can say that for all of us non-Bajs.

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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I'm just reading the route notes

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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I'm so much worse at shield now than the other weapons, which is funny because shield was my first clear

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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This is fascinating

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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I had an Astaos doomstone moment of my own

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:41 PM

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*Astaos

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:42 PM

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I have trouble not timing out using shield is the problem

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The first chamber also gave me a hammer rather than a cast

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so I didn't get a cast till like chamber 3

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 2:43 PM

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that's fine

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beo base damage is pretty good so you can clear the first few chambers without too much trouble usually

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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^^^

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Make sure you are casting while bullrushing

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:44 PM

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What's the timing for loading casts during the bull rush

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so that all of them hit

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sometimes some miss

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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You don't always want all of them to hit

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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or I don't release them all

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why not

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Thats the beauty of casting while bullrushing

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It gives you better control of your casts

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Should I not always load them in all at once?

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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Figure out how many casts you need to kill your enemy so you don't spend as much time picking up casts

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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don't always load all yeah

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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no don't load all of them

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Even for bosses

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:45 PM

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To practice the loop, try 1-1-1, ideally 1-2-1

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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You always want the dragon rush damage

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Dash strike -> Load 1 -> Dragon Rush -> repeat

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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^^^

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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If you do it right you can dragon rush very quickly back and forth between your cast stones

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:46 PM

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Load before dragon rush?

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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While enemies are spawning I usually load once

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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or do I load during the rush

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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A bit of both

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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bright mango Even for bosses

you aren't gonna one shot boss phases with that attitude

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Load while enemies are spawning or bosses are phasing

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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During rush is more useful for say Snow Burst, or if you pick up cast stones in the middle of your rush. But you can technically do either.

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:47 PM

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the casts don't come out fast enough

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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But after that bullrush back and forth loading in casts while youa re doing it

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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do I just need to mash cast faster

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Bind cast to L

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Trust me

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or LB

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Nah it should feel very similar to Hestia when you get the hang of it

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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whichever one it is

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The main cast input is not clonky

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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I bind cast to my reload key for Beo on controller

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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Binding it to L or LB makes beo much smoother

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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bronze viper I bind cast to my reload key for Beo on controller

same

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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bronze viper I bind cast to my reload key for Beo on controller

I'll bind cast to my hestia reload

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good idea

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:48 PM

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i bind it to the one above my reload actually

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My reload is ZL

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Cast for beo is L

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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But I can share muscle memory for beo <-> hestia that way

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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wow this is so much easier

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Exactly

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You can also load while dashing now

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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its super annoying to have to switch mappings between aspects tho

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Its way better

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I don't mind it

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:49 PM

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yeah its a good idea i'm just lazy lol

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i tried it briefly

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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bright mango This is fascinating

i took all the swear words out for publication

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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lmao

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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hopefully i can get past the beo learning curve soon

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:50 PM

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its super interesting to read

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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unique zephyr hopefully i can get past the beo learning curve soon

its not as hard as most people think

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I was very scared of it as first

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Now I am part of beo cult

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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when am I supposed to hit cast again

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in the bull rush

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Yes

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Its all intuition

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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my casts come out really late

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when i do it

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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Binding it to L or LB should make it come out faster

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:51 PM

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while you're rushing

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Watch some of pseudo's runs

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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just hit cast as soon as you release attack

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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he is pretty decent at beo

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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"pretty decent" lol

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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dusa

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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but yeah he's really good

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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or watch my runs. I'm pretty lucky at beo

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:52 PM

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The easiest loop is Load 1 -> Dash Strike -> Dragon Rush, after explosion -> repeat

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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with pseudo's skills and my luck combined we'd be unstoppable

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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There is very little room for error in that one, but it's not as good since your load is way more commital

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:53 PM

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cgull your beo speedrun is insane

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50 heat

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i can't believe your luck

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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its not really worth pre loading unless you have charged shot

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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^^^

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You don't want to load while rushing with charged shot

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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it might be easier, sure, but it doesn't take much practice to get into the swing of mid loading most of the time

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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Its not consistent

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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bright mango i can't believe your luck

bwahahaha

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:54 PM

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and you wanna start practicing with mid loads sooner than later

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:55 PM

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solemn pulsar bwahahaha

I saw the poseidon

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And then the artemis

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And then saw your pom blossom keepsake

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:55 PM

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By far by far by far the most important thing early on though is learning the timing for min charge dash strike dragon rush

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I think that's why people hate Beo lol

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:55 PM

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^^^

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Attacking is too slow

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Dash strike

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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bronze viper By far by far by far the most important thing early on though is learning the ti...

i think cast management stuff is more important than this tbh

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Yes

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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but it helps

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Cast management is also very important

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Speedrunning beo helped me manage my casts

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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what do you all mean cast management

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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I think the aspect feels like poopoo until you get the dash strike min charge thing. It just feels mega slow and clunky to do your basic action

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Like not wasting all your casts on one enemy

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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what do you mean min charge

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:56 PM

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Mid probably

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or mini charge

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Mini charge is the way to go

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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if you mid load and don't waste casts it doesn't matter that much if your rushes are perfectly optimized

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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unique zephyr what do you all mean cast management

It's a wide space of things. Your casts take x seconds to drop to the ground, you never want to chase after them when you could otherwise be dealing damage. So picking # of loads, where to dragon rush, how to efficiently pick them up, etc.

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It's a continuous space

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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Ledger I'm surprised you still have rama in your tag

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:57 PM

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ledger is a beo main now

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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Lmao. The aspects scratch a similar itch for me.

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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you're just in denial about it

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beo comes to us all, and we cannot refuse the call

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soon there will just be one aspect

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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You cannot stop the Force

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 2:58 PM

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ominous chanting

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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The Force resides in all of us

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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The Rush

waxen relic Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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Never will i give in to play Beo with less than RI3. I'll be safe that way.

drowsy perch Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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beo beo beo beo beo beo beo beo

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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hummana hummana

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woosh woosh

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Arrimmmmmmmmmmmmmmma

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BEO

drowsy perch Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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BEO

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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I'm so slow with beo

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 2:59 PM

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ok but is charged throw allowed

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:00 PM

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honestly i'd suggest watching some speedruns as well

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you can learn a lot from folks like ananke and wriste that's applicable for high heat

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:00 PM

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honest kernel ok but is charged throw allowed

no

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charged flight is banned

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Yeah watch speedruns @unique zephyr

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Or try speedrunning yourself

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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high heat or any heat?

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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Any heat

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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both i guess

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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It helped me become better at beo

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:01 PM

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yeah same

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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beo becomes fun once I get the hang of it right

fickle heron Mar 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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So, can you alter a room‘s boons rewards by spamming throw and your helper at it before entering? Or why does he do that in the vid?

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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A lot of Beo in the beginning, having literally just learned it lol, is figuring out how to make it feel good to play. It's a gigantic pile of clunky poo until that point and it just isn't fun to force a boring square peg into a fun Hades circle hole.

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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unique zephyr beo becomes fun once I get the hang of it right

yes

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:02 PM

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Everything was secondary when I figured out how to make it fun. I just wanted to learn more at that point.

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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fickle heron So, can you alter a room‘s boons rewards by spamming throw and your helper at it...

yes it does

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Big numbers are fun

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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what cast do ppl usually use on beo

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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yeah its definitely weird to play at first

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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flood flare

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Or passion flare

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Dio stygian or flood infernal

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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Or dio beo

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Those three

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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passion flare is much worse than dio beo or flood flare

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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I see thx

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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I like passion flare

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:03 PM

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unless you're at high enough heat that duos are a dream

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yeah its alright

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got my first 40 with it

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its still much worse than the other builds

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 3:04 PM

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I have been trying to get both dio cast duos in one run for ages but never did, even on lower heat

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:04 PM

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don't bother with ice wine on beo

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:04 PM

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I don’t see pseudo on the any heat leaderboard

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On speedrun.com

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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the delay is weird and annoying; you're better off shooting for mirage shot

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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And I don’t see aspects listed

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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The SRC interface is... special

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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for heat stuff tho i'd recommend flood flare + deadly strike -> mirage shot

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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Are there other places where speedruns are listed

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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If you want to search for aspect, iirc the 4th Aspect filter will do that

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lmao

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:05 PM

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unique zephyr I don’t see pseudo on the any heat leaderboard

for pseudo's runs look in the 50 heat category

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if you want anyheat, look for ananke and wriste

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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And bablo

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Wait bablo doesn't do beo

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Ananke is very good at beo

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:06 PM

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also bright

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and cgull

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any of those

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yeah bablo plays chaos lol

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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oh I don't have a beo time listed on any heat

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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bronze viper If you want to search for aspect, iirc the 4th Aspect filter will do that

Uh where do I find that

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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I don't really play much any heat recently

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dio beo is better for it and I don't really like dio beo

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(don't tell the beo cult)

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:07 PM

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honestly same

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i kinda like infernal soul; not having to chase cast stones feels wrong

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that's a weird reason to like infernal now i wrote it out

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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Ok I found that filter, what is this interface

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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unique zephyr Uh where do I find that

Under 50 Heat, the Filter button will have Platform, Heat, Aspect, Aspect, Aspect, Aspect. I found the 4th aspect works as expected :3

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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This is the weirdest site

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Why are there 4 filters for aspects

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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yeah idk why there are 4 aspect filters 3 of which don't work

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its weird

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:08 PM

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it's speedrun.com being jank

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use this instead

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https://www.hades-guides.ovh/index.php/leaderboard/

wintry berry Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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First aspect is any heat, 2nd is 32, 3rd is 40, 4th is 50

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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same times, better interface

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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what nephi said

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it’s jank lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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ohhh

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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wow lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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okay at least now its jank i can understand

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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Filter isn’t working on tablet

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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I don't know if my life is better with that knowledge

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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@unique zephyr just use the link i sent

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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What childhood memory just got garbage collected to know that

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:09 PM

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clickable filters

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

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solemn pulsar <@!266732686838595606> just use the link i sent

Just saw this link, I’ll check it out thanks so much

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

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(this is any heat only, but there are so few runs for high heat that you dont need filters)

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:10 PM

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i like using filters for high heat

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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From SRC, how do you most quickly get to the recording of the submission? The only way I found is to click the player and find the submission manually in their list

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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only because if you filter beo only at 50 i'm in third place

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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https://www.speedrun.com/hades/run/ylo1w2ny

speedrun.com

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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the secret to speedrunning is to create overly specific categories

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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Pseudo is the #1 50 heat Mac runner

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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bronze viper From SRC, how do you most quickly get to the recording of the submission? The o...

click on the video icon on the far right

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or just click on the submission itself

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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^

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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should take you right there

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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@edgy arrow Would you hate it if I submitted by 50 beo? Lmao. I got 17:00

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:11 PM

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click anywhere but the player name

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:12 PM

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bronze viper <@!309651131213152258> Would you hate it if I submitted by 50 beo? Lmao. I got...

nah its fine i took a screenshot

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my claim to fame has been recorded for prosperity

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you should submit; help out pseudo's plan to flood the leaderboard with beo 50s so more people take it seriously as a high heat weapon

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

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No one can find 50s by aspect anyway.

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

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wym

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

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hadesprof and tailesque clogging the board lmao

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

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oh yeah lmao

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truth

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:13 PM

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4th aspect filter technology I can't imagine is widely known

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:14 PM

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speedrun.com is jank af

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:14 PM

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oh i used to just hit random ones until something worked

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i didn't realise there was actually a consistent way or doing it lol

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even for anyheat

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:14 PM

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Lol, can someone answer my VOD question? Am I already doing it right? If so wtf

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:14 PM

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we did

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click the video icon

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Why does any heat use dio cast

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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Let me try not night mode, can't see a video icon

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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its on the far right, past the date

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:15 PM

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cgull got pretty close to beating my speedrun on his first clear

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he got an absurd build

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dio cast is higher damage, but really badly needs extra casts from chaos

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:16 PM

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omfg, the icon is just clipped at certain screen resolutions and zooms

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:16 PM

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getting them with the good rooms you need for a speedrun is very inconsistent

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:16 PM

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with dio cast you can also luck into bad news

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Namely the very uncommon 1080p 100% on Chrome.

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:16 PM

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as well as wanting mirage shot

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:16 PM

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basically it dio beo has a much higher ceiling but it requires luck and boons to get it

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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dio beo is the high roll of high rolls

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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and so its harder at high heat

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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but when it works? chefs kiss

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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dio cast has a higher top end, but needs like 10 rolls lol

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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dio beo has like a 40% chance of seeing an extra cast stone out of tartarus, which it pretty m uch needs

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and that's just to get started

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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nah that is not all it needs

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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u also need natural arty or Poseidon

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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not all it needs

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i'm saying it needs that, just to get started

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more from there

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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and then the rooms for a good time because it’s any heat LUL

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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yeah it needs luck to even break even with flood flare

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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because half of those runs have garbage pools with a 2:45 exit

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and you have to reset anyway

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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you gotta highroll pretty hard for it to actually be better

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:17 PM

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if u have a decent pool, 2:45 is fine honestly

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by which I mean one of arty pos

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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wow really

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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it’s not gonna get u a wr time but dio beo scales so well that 2:45 can still like. sub 8

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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i could do that

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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yeah dio beo tart is kind of slow

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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yep

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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i'd prolly lose stupid amounts of time after tho lol

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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beo tart is fast no matter what

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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am no speedrunner

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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y'all crazy

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:18 PM

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I've gotten sub 2 tart on 40 heat pos cast lol

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it's way faster

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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faster, sure

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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cgull I’m comparing it to like achilles and eris lol

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it’s gonna be a slow tart

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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just do stygian flood flare

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get an extra cast

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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500iq

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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get mirage in tart

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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stygian flood flare, go for CoD

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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then force dio for heroic replacement

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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big brain hours

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:19 PM

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cgull has ascended

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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for RTA time, do I use video recording length. From the beginning of the run or the beginning of the death confirm? Actually, if it's anything but video length that's too much work nvm

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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its beginning of run

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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from timer start

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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@bronze viper for non RTA categories you can just leave it off too

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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but you don't need to put an RTA unless you're doing an RTA category

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yeah

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:20 PM

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it's not required, and some verifiers will just time it and add it for you

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:21 PM

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IGT is fine

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:21 PM

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the biggest brain strat is to just put the length of the video as your RTA, and they'll have to retime it hehe

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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hehehe

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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lol

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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but yeah you don’t need to put RTA for an IGT run

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I usually don’t

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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Ah ok so dio cast is high roll

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And pos cast is consistent

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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there's not really any point in putting in the effort to time it unless your RTA was really good or something

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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pos cast can get great times too though

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:22 PM

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poseidon cast is relatively consistent

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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I just haven't gotten a good runn

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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sometimes u can still get a stinker here or there w it

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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dio beo is exclusively for high rolling speedruns

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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pos cast is very consistent imo

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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poseidon gets you clears

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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All the shields feel hard to use for me

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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shields are pretty weird honestly

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i think it takes a while to really get bull rushing

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:23 PM

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even if you don't get much pos cast will get a decent time

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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idk it always feels lacking by mid elysium if I don’t get mirage

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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the secret to bull rushing is always dash attack into the charge

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never standing

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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edgy arrow i think it takes a while to really *get* bull rushing

That’s what I have trouble with, the whole bull rush thing

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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u just constantly bleed time

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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just get mirage

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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I seem to crash into places I don’t want to

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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watching runs is honestly the best fix for that

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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ez

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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And also doomstone fight sucks for me

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What should I pay attention to in the runs

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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the micro

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how they're moving

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:24 PM

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Neat, officially a Beo player on the internet after verification lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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nice

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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I didn't want to submit the Chiron because it was 51 heat lol. Looked wrong

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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how lucky they get, make sure to specifically note how they walk through the doors with fountains

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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that'll give us 9 beo 50s

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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that’s called skill

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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we gotta get to double digits folks

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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shy gulch how lucky they get, make sure to specifically note how they walk through the doo...

ye this is v important

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:25 PM

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I got 16:56, which puts me at third instead of honorary third with two pseudos above me :3

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:26 PM

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that's a pretty good time for 50 in general

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:26 PM

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We're coaching Astaos through another Beo submission as we speak lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:27 PM

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haha nice

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:27 PM

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edgy arrow the micro

I’m watching pseudo 50 now, I don’t really know how to analyze the micro

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:27 PM

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that'll be 10!

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astaos can break double digit beo 50s

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:27 PM

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Or what exactly micro involves

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:27 PM

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a milestone to be sure

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its just how he moves really

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watching how actually good beo players move and trying to emulate them really made a difference to elevating my play

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:29 PM

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edgy arrow that's a pretty good time for 50 in general

Yeah it's faster than any other 50 I have, and it's EM4 lol

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Though I historically use TD2 at 50

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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yeah beo really chonks through JS3/CP2 as well

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Big numbers go fast

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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i'm not an expert on 50 heat, but i feel like those plus TD3 should be scarier on beo than they are

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:30 PM

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Shepherding enemies into a group is a clutch skill

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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not that i never time out lol

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yeah for sure

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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It's similar to how disciplined tail is with Rama debuffs

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It takes more work up front and then everything vanishes

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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i'm so bad at that lol

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Disciplined = Tag everything for biggest chungus number possible. Teehee, crit

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Big same

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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its probably the biggest thing holding me back with rama

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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That is disciplined yes

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I play it like nemesis lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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i just wanna use the big chonky attack and ignore the special

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:31 PM

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Special dash strike special dash strike

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It is worse than just actually doing Rama

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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same honestly yeah

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except sometimes i just don't special at all lmao

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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Yeah, you have to have a good internal timer for 7 seconds for the debuff. At the end of that timer, let'r'rip

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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Big attack good

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:32 PM

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I have a feeling shield 32 will take me forever to get

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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i actually didn't run DC2 for my rama 40

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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edgy arrow i just wanna use the big chonky attack and ignore the special

that's how I play any heat rama lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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and it actually helped

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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You can really cheese the crap out of 32 with TD1 Chaos

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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that's how bad i am at using shared suffering

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:33 PM

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Oh boy

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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solar maple that's how I play any heat rama lol

does that work?

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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eh

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it's not great

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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lol

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fair

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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but I got sub 9

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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um

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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so good enough

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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edgy arrow i actually didn't run DC2 for my rama 40

DC0 Rama is a lot of fun to be fair, you can get power shots on spawning enemies. It's enough to kill most unarmored

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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that's pretty fast tho

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ikr

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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I had the rama wr for like 8 hours LOL

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:34 PM

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just deleting enemies as they spawn in is so satisfying

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8 hours still counts

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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Better than Nyaanyaa's 30 minute Chiron heat WR

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:35 PM

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bronze viper You can *really* cheese the crap out of 32 with TD1 Chaos

Where do I put the 5 heat?

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JS3 DC2?

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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that'll do

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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I was doing all my weps to sub 10 at the time

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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Yeah

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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and the rama wr was like 9:55

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so I did it with rama lol

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to have wr for 8 hours

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now it's like 7:15 haha

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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i'm doing all weaps sub 10 rn

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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bronze viper You can *really* cheese the crap out of 32 with TD1 Chaos

How would I cheese it

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I’m not sure what build to go for chaos still

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:36 PM

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i suspect i will not accidentally get a sub 9 tho

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that's p impressive

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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nah that one was 9:15

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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With TD1 you can hold your shield indefinitely, wait for something to hit you, bullrush to the max range of your shields, Special, repeatr

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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I got sub 9 later

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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oh fair

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either way

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:37 PM

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and I did special sometimes

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but not that much

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I ran fiery lol

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Use RI0 AP0 CF0 to max chance of getting splitting bolt (though God's Pride for Static Discharge is way better)

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For passive play, and in general, Static Discharge is more important than Thunder Flourish/Double Strike

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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Would CP2 be okay with TD1

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Instead of DC2

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JS3 CP2

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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don't take CP2

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ever

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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take DC2 lol

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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it's a scam

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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just run zeus

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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CP is not great. I don't know how the pact actually ends up looking at the end though.

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:38 PM

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DC2 is fine

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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I might just try beo again I hate how slow chaos is

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And how playing it feels

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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good goood

halcyon flame Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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yes

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join our cult

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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beo good

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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one

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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Chaos is like less fun chiron

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:40 PM

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HL5 LC4 JS3 EM3 BP2 MM UC DC2 TD1 is 31 I think? FO2 is another 6 that lets you make stuff faster

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TD2 isn't even bad

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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I always run FO2 now

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In terms of slowness

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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unique zephyr Chaos is like less fun chiron

oof

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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ledger | chiron is just fun chaos

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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that's harsh

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but kinda fair

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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Lol, Chaos is just worse but easy Zeus

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 3:41 PM

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I find chaos quite fun to use

drowsy perch Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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I used to main chaos in the early days

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it's so slow now tho

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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It's kind of criminal you can't shield while shields are bouncing.

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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I cannot bring myself to recommend a td1 pact lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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i have nostalgia for chaos

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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that sounds like torture

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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Lmao, I said it was cheesy

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:42 PM

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not because it used to be op, but because just after the nerf i was the only one defending it

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its still like, super safe

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but no one cared about that

halcyon flame Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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td1 on 32 heat is eugh

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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The safety is suspect. You can't block for an indeterminate amount of time after you use your special.

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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I think a better idea is just practice a real pact on a good weapon

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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it has range and is a shield

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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I hate chaos now

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I used to like it even after nerf

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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It was safer before because you didn't need to have particular positioning to dps

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So that problem just didn't matter as much

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

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ofc it was safer before

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its still safe now

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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@solar maple Did you end up getting the 50?

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:44 PM

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the level of safety it gave you pre nerf bordered on playing the game for you

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:45 PM

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Old Chaos would be so dope at EM4 though lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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haha true

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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which 50? chaos?

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Like Beo good but on crack since you could be way over there

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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no 😦

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Yeah

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😦

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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how many people have actually done chaos 50 lol

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not many

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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I finished mine last week

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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ledger, Tail, Hadesprof

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just them i think?

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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I got splitting bolt but choked vs bull miniboss

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Retrash did 52 because Retrash

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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gave up after that lol

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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He has the record atm

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:47 PM

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oh yeah how did i forget retrash lol

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obviously him

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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it would be funny to have 3 different shield 50s as my only 50s lol

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:48 PM

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ive done it lol

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chaos 50 is something

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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how hard is it

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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I hate high heat chaos I've come to realize

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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It's something lol

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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like, on a scale of hestia to gilgamesh

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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hard to assess

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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shield special is just miserable

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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Def on Hestia spectrum

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With EM4

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EM4 helps your pact a lot

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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oh really?

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but it slow

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guess TD2 is an option

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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i got merciful end and sea storm on AP2

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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yeah but then you have to fight em4 lol

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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It very slow. Need TD2

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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and I would die 100%

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:49 PM

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so i dont think im a reliable narrator

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TD2 was fine imo

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for any pact

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I was doing td3

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not too bad

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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... oof

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Beo shield seems like it would be the most fun to learn

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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i was doing TD2 and resetting for curse of pain

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I didn't really time out much

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Impressive tbh

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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i imagine drunken flourish and thunder flourish do similar things

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Zeus feels hard and chaos is ew

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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I mostly just died haha

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RI3 gaming

celest grail Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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zeus isnt that hard

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but beo is the most fun out of the shields for me

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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i might try and do 45 and see how painful it is

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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But I haven’t spent much time with any shield

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:50 PM

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beo beo beo

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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zeus is actually pretty fun

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beo best of ofc

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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zeus or chaos is probably unironically the hardest shield

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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zeus is pretty fun yeah

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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but i've been getting into zeus

celest grail Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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asking here, you'll just be indoctrinated into the beo cult

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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unique zephyr I’m watching pseudo 50 now, I don’t really know how to analyze the micro

You're best off just getting a general feel for the aspect. Don't worry so much about micromanagement. You'll start seeing the finer points when you have a better and more intuitive understanding of the basics.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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although i may be biased by having internalized beo mechs

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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mossy zinc You're best off just getting a general feel for the aspect. Don't worry so much ...

Good point, I haven’t played around with shield for a long time

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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if you want to see how you should play high heat beo watch my 54

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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but i feel like zeus and chaos are super difficult at high level

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:51 PM

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yeah what Nyaanyaa said

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might be helpful to watch some runs, but don't worry too much about it

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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my 50 was a "speedrun"

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so I did some risky strats

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54 I was just trying to clear so I did safe strats

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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The key for hitting sub 17 for Beo for me was I had no idea if what I was doing was risky or not.

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Therefore no cognitive stress

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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lmao

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smart

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:52 PM

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beo can just accidentally go fast lol

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Where is your 54 run

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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on the spreadsheet

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Ep0CyDNlRA

YouTube

Pseudonym7777

Hades Beowulf 54 Heat (WR, 19:40 igt)

Higher is possible with RI2, but I die so often in asphodel with low max hp. If I play like this though maybe I can do 56.

▶ Play video

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Nothing is risky when you have a shield. True gamers play Guan Yu.

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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also key: go fishing before em4

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always

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Lmao Retrash didn't lose his SD to EM4 at 52 GY wtfffff

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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retrash gonna retrash

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but yeah that's absolutely mental

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 3:54 PM

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that 54 also had my cleanest ever em4 fight

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no SD lost with tooth

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yeah retrash is nuts

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he does what I do on my cleanest run

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with GY

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on a bad build

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and still takes less damage

edgy arrow Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM

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he's probably spent more hours in the EM4 fight than i've put into the entire game at this point

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hmm

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that was supposed to be hyperbole but i don't even know

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 3:56 PM

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EM4 TD2 go brrr

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:00 PM

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Tailesque hasn't ever practice EM4. I think he just intuitively got it over time.

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Different class of gamer

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I can't even come close to doing Rama EM4 yet

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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rama em4 sounds like a nightmare

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:01 PM

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Haven't tried in a while, still letting my ego heal.

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 4:02 PM

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I should set up an em4 savestate

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with a non-beo weapon

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just try to actually learn the fight

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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i have a zagius one that i need to remake with worse tools

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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What I typically do is get something close to a nut build with Patty and some DDs, and wean myself off to not using calls, not using DDs etc.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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current one has +1 dash, ME, and poseidons aid

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:03 PM

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Or that's what I would do if I could even clear the stupid thing in the first place.

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 4:04 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/821775981567016990/unknown.png

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yay, checking hera off the list finally

solar maple Mar 17, 2021, 4:06 PM

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learning em4 is below learning fresh file dad though for me on the savestate list

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fresh file win is one of my last real hades goals

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 4:09 PM

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The crush cannon nice

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You got some weird hammers

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But heart rend flurry shot triple shot probs does some good work

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Flurry Triple is very legit yeah

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Flurry triple is actually good

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Especially on hera

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:10 PM

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It's only slightly iffy in Asphodel when you miss

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 4:11 PM

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just don’t miss

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 4:11 PM

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it was kinda cool yeah 🤔

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I dont think i utilized it super well though

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main dmg output was cast anyway

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the hammer that gave me flurry was something like sniper, flurry, relentless volley

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:16 PM

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flurry is probably the single best hammer on hera

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IMO

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Yeah it just has a fail rate sure

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I agree though

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:17 PM

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i dont know what id do if offered both triple and flurry

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probably cry

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 4:17 PM

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flurry

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:17 PM

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ye probs

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the base values on flurry are just so busted

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its 60 dmg for a standing attack and 40 for a dash strike

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vs 70/50 for the normal bow

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 4:18 PM

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Flurry shot changes base damage?

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:18 PM

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yeah

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 4:18 PM

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its also so laid back for execution very chill playstyle

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No powershots

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So yeah

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rail basicially

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 4:19 PM

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who needs pwrshots when the standing attack does more than a dash strike powershot

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 4:36 PM

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honest kernel https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/624635342116618243/821775981567016990/unk...

Congratulations! dusa 💕

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 4:37 PM

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thanks AphroditeSticker

vital grove Mar 17, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Flurry is my fave on Hera

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Instant max distance shot

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Good dps

halcyon flame Mar 17, 2021, 4:56 PM

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true fable who needs pwrshots when the standing attack does more than a dash strike powersh...

p*wershots

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 5:05 PM

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https://youtu.be/7fAZmy7cOtQ

YouTube

Toffel's Tech Basement

Hades 40 HEAT Win - Hera + Crush Shot [Unseeded]

Run Starts at

Build: -Aphro Cast is pretty much the most consistent dmg output on Hera.
-Athena is Athena + you get a chance for Parting Shot
-Artemis and Poseidon unlock Mirage Shot for you which increases your cast dmg by a ton. I hoped to see at least one of them early so I'd only have to force one more god in Asphodel.
-Flurry Shot is ama...

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this is the best thumbnail, thx yt

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 5:08 PM

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lmao

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Quite a nice thumbnail

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 5:09 PM

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pew pew pew

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 5:23 PM

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@unique zephyr, outside of running for heat, I can’t recommend learning Zeus shield highly enough

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Extremely flexible, powerful, fun aspect. Once you learn what you need to be doing with your disk Zeus is a powerhouse shield

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 5:24 PM

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baj has proved that

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 5:25 PM

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Zeus impresses me for having such a high skill cap with such a relatively low skill floor

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That’s the mark of a top tier. Potency that extends towards infinity, but easy enough to pick up and play

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 5:26 PM

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honest kernel this is the best thumbnail, thx yt

it's amazing

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Zeus is a high dps base aspect with innate survivability and tons of build flexibility

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The hardest part about it is learning the weapon

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 5:40 PM

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Fast moving enemies are also a headache in general I found. Jumpy mobs in Asphodel in particular

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:40 PM

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yeah

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i despise asphodel on zeus shield

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i asked baj what to do and the answer boils down to "cry"

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 5:41 PM

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You're not in particular danger but it's a huge drain on timer

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:41 PM

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yeah

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theyre really annoying

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 5:41 PM

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Wavemakers and jumping bombers are my least favorite asphodel enemy

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Not as much as lernie, but still pretty high up there

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:42 PM

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armored wavemakers will just punish you for very subtle misplays

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Especially speeders

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They snipe me from across the room

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I have no idea where they are

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:42 PM

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oh, you accidentally did a standing strike instead of a dash strike on zeus shield? thats 10 more seconds in this room for ya

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that stuff adds up

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 5:42 PM

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And then a projectile coming a the speed of light comes rushing out of the corner of my screen

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 5:49 PM

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honest kernel https://youtu.be/7fAZmy7cOtQ

just wondering, is it normal to take stygian soul on hera?

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i always thought you took the one with 3 casts

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 5:49 PM

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wait i didnt even notice

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toffel you took styg on hera??

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 5:53 PM

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yeah lol

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I dont think thats normal

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I used to try hera with dio cast thats why

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and then I never switched back

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 5:57 PM

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ah i see

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is it good at all with straight damage casts

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i imagine not having to chase it down is kinda nice

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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just giving up on the hera aspect bonus

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nice

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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still cleared 40 heat with it

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totally wild

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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cast management is like

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annyoing but fine

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esp with crush shot

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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that hades fight was fun to watch

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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thanks :)

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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since your casts drop where they shoot

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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my early bow days were bounty farming with Hera : only non lodging cast so Hera is actually free

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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yeah I think infernal was better but whatever a w's a w

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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poggie_froggie

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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is this croven

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 5:59 PM

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chaos gave me +1 cast and that was all i wanted

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 6:00 PM

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yeee

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 6:45 PM

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honest kernel yeah I think infernal was better but whatever a w's a w

The highest Hera clear on the women's leaderboard is with Stygian Soul. The meta for 40+ is 100% Stygian Soul.

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Don't listen to the naysayers. You've defined the meta. dusa

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:00 PM

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sullen minnow <@266732686838595606>, outside of running for heat, I can’t recommend learning Z...

I'll try Zeus shield, then. What are good builds for it?

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Is zeus special good

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or is the internal cooldown too much

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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No that’s it

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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i heard internal cooldown only really matters to chiron special but not sure if that's true

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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Zeus/Zeus is the PB&J of that aspect!

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:01 PM

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zeus on special is good

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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If you want to learn about Zeus Aspect, listen to Baj and block out everyone else as just noise. dusa

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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"Internal cooldown"

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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arty/aphro are pretty good too

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Throw it on special and enjoy the laser light show

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Zeus internal cooldown is .2s. Zeus shield ROF is precisely once every .3 seconds

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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You can see from Baj's record that Passion Dash is the best dash.

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You should try to get that asap. It's the most important part of the build.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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baj says pretty much any special can work but zeus special takes the least help to get there

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Yeah

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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i mean passion dash is probably the best dash for zeus shield

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Zeus is amazing because the special is so flexible

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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nah the best is DRUNKEN DASH

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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since tidal dash's knockback isn't worth the extra damage

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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i like blade but passion good too

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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See? I knew it. Lady Aphrodite is the best. dusa

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💕

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Passion dash and zeus special? Is that smoldering air's music??

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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its all about Lord Dionysus

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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heartbreak strike can be usable too if you don't see artemis

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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But babby’s first zeus shield build should absolutely be Zeus/Zeus cause it’s so dummy easy to make it into a killing machine

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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yee

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 7:03 PM

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smoldering air is good, but zeus shield with zeus special builds call tremendously fast on its own too

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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^for sure

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Yeah it supercharges your call

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It's shockingly fast

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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I see what you did there 👀

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Smoldering Air is pretty ridiculous on anything with a good Call.

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 7:04 PM

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oh yea i tried SA with aphrodite call since i think you mentioned it

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it let me absolutely body em3 even with fo

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poggies

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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smold + aphro call carried my luci 50

patent isle Mar 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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it's so funny interrupting everything a boss does

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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the ability to stunlock bosses is very strong

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:05 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:07 PM

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Aphro attack Zeus special Zeus shield has big zag shield energy. Only turn on as many braincells as it takes to operate your disk well, and let the rest handle itself until the whole room is mist

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:11 PM

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I don't know how long it will take to get sword and shield as my last 32s for all weapons :/

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:13 PM

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I didn't get 32 with all weapons until well after I did 52 with Beowulf. There is no rush.

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Do what's fun for you. squirtnya

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:14 PM

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I'm thinking of trying mirrorless Hestia again, I got to second phase dad last time

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the first time I tried mirrorless 32 hestia

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timer was a huge problem though

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:15 PM

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A bit more room luck, perhaps, and you can do it.

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Plus the practice you get.

sullen minnow Mar 17, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Fwiw, I can’t speak to chaos or beo, but if you get a little practice in with Zeus at some lower heats I think you could really surprise yourself with its strength

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I’d be happy to help out however I can if you would like help

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:18 PM

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how do I be fast with Zeus shield, and does zeus shield want duos or just god's pride

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:19 PM

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i just go gods pride

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if you go zeus special that is

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duos are neat but they're mostly accessory

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if ur going like ME or heart rend you can consider legacy i suppose

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:21 PM

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Today hasn't been a great hades day for me so far

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Might be easier to just do TD2 with shield for now instead of TD3.

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:24 PM

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so uh, not sure if this is because our initial understanding sprung from a false claim or maybe it got fixed somewhat recently, but charged skewer can be obtained after exploding launcher

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just had it happen to me firsthand

solemn pulsar Mar 17, 2021, 7:25 PM

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i always thought it was charged couldn't go into explosive

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:25 PM

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nah it was that you could only do charged explosive if you took charged first

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which made it annoying to do, especially at high heat

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for like, hades spear etc.

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I wouldn't be surprised if somebody had just misread the notes on the wiki or something and it spread lol.

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Like mixing up Charged with Chain or whatever.

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T'was probably one of you.

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Anyone got tips for sword

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nem sword in particular

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i just don't feel very safe with it

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I know dash striking is good with it

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Yeah, my Nemesis tip is don't play Nemesis. dusa

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:30 PM

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is poseidon better

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:30 PM

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You're not very safe with it, so you shouldn't feel very safe.

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:31 PM

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heart rend is good on sword right?

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:31 PM

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mossy zinc T'was probably one of you.

squirtmeh

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Poseidon Aspect lets you avoid playing sword, that should make it a lot easier.

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:31 PM

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daring hedge <:squirtmeh:456913427525402624>

What? It couldn't have been me. I don't make mistakes. squirtdevious

dense gale Mar 17, 2021, 7:34 PM

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unique zephyr nem sword in particular

I too am struggling with nemesis right now, and I'm trying to clear 32 on all aspects so not playing it isn't an option. :)

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:35 PM

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daring hedge so uh, not sure if this is because our initial understanding sprung from a false...

happened to me too in my all aspects

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 7:35 PM

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daring hedge just had it happen to me firsthand

This is so odd

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:35 PM

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not sure if it was a new thing

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because all i've heard from code people is you can only go charged > explosive

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:36 PM

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it feels like I got worse somehow but I know it's probably just me not being used to shield and sword being hard

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:37 PM

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They've misunderstood how the game handles boon priorities, before. Maybe they missed something there.

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 7:37 PM

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Your personal performance at any moment isn't a linearly increasing function. Some days you will just be playing super stinky. Happens to everyone

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:37 PM

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only thing i can think of is it was shadowpatched after being mentioned in test branch

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:37 PM

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I just got vaccinated for COVID today too

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:38 PM

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or yeah they were wrong

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:38 PM

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so that could be affecting me unknowingly?

bronze viper Mar 17, 2021, 7:38 PM

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Shrug, sometimes I play bad because I'm just playing bad. You do easier things, try to have fun with the game, or put it down and try later

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Every day won't be PB-setting day.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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^

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Yeah, maybe it was a bug fix in the test branch.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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some days you'll clear 50 heat 3 times

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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other days youll lose on 40 heat chiron

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pplaff

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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What's important is it definitely works now.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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yeah

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Unless.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:39 PM

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was a pleasant surprise for what otherwise wouldve been a very sad zag spear run

dense gale Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Any recs on builds for nemesis at 32? So far ME has gotten me pretty far, but it's so unreliable.

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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Unless you and @daring hedge are deliberately misleading your competition.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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ME is fine

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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for sword i usually just start athena dash

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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^

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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then go into ME or DR as i see

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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owl pendant start can be quite reliable

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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or like whatever

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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you take high rarity special or dash

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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ME is fine, Heart Rend is fine, Deadly Reversal is fine, Deflect on everything is fine.

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:40 PM

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nemesis has a very high damage output from its base kit so you dont need to start an attack boon

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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Smoldering Air is fine.

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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yeah literally what nyaanyaa said lol

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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even a good aphro attack is serviceable

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nemesis do damage

halcyon flame Mar 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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nemesis good

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nemesis double edge 😳

dense gale Mar 17, 2021, 7:41 PM

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Sounds good, thanks. I'd also been experimenting with splash dash but wasn't sure it was going to make it all the way.

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Tidal Dash is fine.

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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splash dash can kind of work but also is kind of awkward with swords

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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You can do 32 with Tidal Dash and nothing else. So yeah, that works.

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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in other news: i'm very sad http://puu.sh/Hq2NV/6eae5fb659.jpg

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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tailesque it may be time to revisit anyheat reverse heart rend explosive launcher strats for hades spear

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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health hard to see but

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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oof

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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one hit away basically

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:42 PM

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that is quite sad

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dang

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 7:43 PM

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That screenshot is physically painful

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:43 PM

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yeah that ones rough

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oof

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:43 PM

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couldve maybe hail mary'ed a min charge special or cast?

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:43 PM

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1:37 overtime lmao

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 7:43 PM

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Do you think Hades got a Close Call run clear message for that one?

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:43 PM

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lmao

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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yeah it was a panic moment where like i maybe could have used zeus call really quick on top, but also there were pots everywhere around him so that probably wouldn't have worked

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and i had just charged it when he started lasers

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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shouldve just chuckd a trippy shot and prayed

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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full dashing in with call and i frames woulda worked i think

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cant blame you for not gettin it tho

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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^for sure

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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terrible weapon

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smh

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

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thats stressful as hell lol

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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yeah i took a really silly hit after he phased at 50% p2 because he like

halcyon flame Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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em3?

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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continued where his skull tossing left off?

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and real quick shot one at me

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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yeah!

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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did not expect it

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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its stupid

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that and the p1 spear thrusts

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:45 PM

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yeah ugh

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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but yeah with this knowledge i think maybe charged skewer explosive launcher builds are back on the menu

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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Why is fo2 em4 so hard

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I had 2dds

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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that run actually wasn't the one with both lol

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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might need special damage chaos to match ME though

daring hedge Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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that was just explosive by itself

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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This shouldve been easy

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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daring hedge in other news: i'm very sad http://puu.sh/Hq2NV/6eae5fb659.jpg

Cursed screenshot

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:46 PM

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dont blame anyone for dying to EM4 with 4 DDs lol

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:47 PM

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3rd got me

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:47 PM

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fight is so much harder than retrash tail and baj make it look

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Fo2 with em4 is hard

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Doomstone ate up my entire acorn

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:47 PM

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yea im not a fan of the acorn

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:49 PM

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I just did not expect it to be this hard

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I had 2dd’s going into the 3rd phase

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First two phases were okay

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 7:49 PM

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yeah sometimes 3rd phase just trucks me too

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1st phase is the hardest but 3rd can come out of nowhere

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and wreck me

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 7:51 PM

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phase 1 is a sort of tactics check

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phase 3 is a hard reaction check

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 7:52 PM

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Like I just got freaking sniped by a spear chuck

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 8:01 PM

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yep

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thats the classic

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 8:24 PM

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Ok I give up

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Em4 + fo2 sucks

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 8:33 PM

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I am so glad I turned it off

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I really wanted to power through it but yeah no

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Em4 is an extremely hard fight

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I think meta is usually tooth or spearpoint though some crazy people take acorn

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Butterfly ball sucks

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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Phase 1 adds will destroy acorn

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 8:39 PM

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It completely ate up my acorn

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Yeah

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I should take tooth

shy plinth Mar 17, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Em4 is super challenging, especially at fo2

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Just one singular win with EM4 + FO2 took me 20 or more attempts

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 8:41 PM

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Spear chuck go brrrr

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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I have been resetting for an attack boon for two hours now and the game has still not given one to me squirtyay

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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is spread fire yay or nay for hestia

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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It’s decent

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Is this ap2?

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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nah

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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Oh

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 9:17 PM

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I have explosive

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Then I wouldn’t take it

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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and rocket

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okay

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Oh explosive

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Explosive good

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 9:18 PM

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yeah i know I just wondered if spread was secret big dmg

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I never got it

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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is flurry slash a good hammer

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for nemesis

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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No

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 9:21 PM

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choices: shadow slash, cruel thrust, flurry slash

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chamber 1

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 9:22 PM

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Reset

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For double edge

mossy zinc Mar 17, 2021, 9:25 PM

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honest kernel yeah i know I just wondered if spread was secret big dmg

Does nothing for your Empowered Shot on Hestia.

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 9:45 PM

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thx

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welp I died to the bull thats it for today

true fable Mar 17, 2021, 10:18 PM

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RIP

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Got em4 + fo2

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Beo makes this game easy

honest kernel Mar 17, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Beo just destroys everything

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I've been using it so much lately

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Beo feels so weird to me, but I am very much not used to it yet

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What makes beo so good vs bosses

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Beo one shots boss phases if you're building it right

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Phase 3 of em4 took 10 seconds

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I'm not even exaggerating

unique zephyr Mar 17, 2021, 10:41 PM

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How does one build for bosses? Besides Wave Pounding that is

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And since we are talking beo what are good hammers and bad ones

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Charged shot, sudden rush are good

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Also the one where you get bonus damage and move speed after blocking

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how you one shot boss phases is leveling up your cast a bunch, then get chaos casts/damage, and then get mirage

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 10:47 PM

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if ur doing flood flare, just get mirage shot and poms in your cast

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thats usually enough for bossing

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wave pounding is very helpful too, of course

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an extra cast / cast damage from chaos also helpful

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also part of what makes beo good vs bosses is that its natural gameplay, bullrushing into cast aoe, is very safe

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you can block while charging bullrush and you get full iframes during bullrush, and the bullrush is what you do to let out massive damage

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so you're putting out huge damage while also remaining very safe in the process

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 10:48 PM

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^^^

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That is why it dominates em4

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Being able to block spear chucks is pretty pog

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 10:57 PM

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pom cast

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or bad

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Yeah

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The poms make such a difference

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Especially with mirage

light stag Mar 17, 2021, 11:33 PM

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What does Wave Pounding do against bosses?

quartz mantle Mar 17, 2021, 11:33 PM

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damage

light stag Mar 17, 2021, 11:33 PM

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it's almost impossible to get wallslam damage on them since you can't knock them back

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Its just flat damage against bosses

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Wave pounding is damage against bosses rarebit

bright mango Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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When it says knoback effects, it means all poseidon boons

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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wave pounding has nothing to do with wallslam

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Wall slam is breaking wave

light stag Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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oh I got that wrong

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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or typhoons fury

gaunt fiber Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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or the stinky one yes

shy gulch Mar 17, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yeah

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breaking wave and walmart breaking wave

bronze viper Mar 18, 2021, 2:39 AM

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Rama can't shotgun reliably with Chain + Twin/Triple, or is it just Triple?

shy plinth Mar 18, 2021, 2:44 AM

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I think both but def triple

true fable Mar 18, 2021, 4:21 AM

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you can still shotgun with twin chain

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why not

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but triple no

shy plinth Mar 18, 2021, 4:24 AM

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I don't know how precise the shots get

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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huh didn’t know that

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all the more reason to not take chain on rama

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i tried it again recently and i still don’t like it

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:25 AM

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I keep dying to Lernie in my nem playthroughs

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mostly my bad for walking into lava, but EM2 has so much lava

bronze viper Mar 18, 2021, 4:26 AM

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No, that's about right. Nemesis doesn't have like... a surplus of iframes

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Lernie legitimately difficult. EM3 legit difficult. Game legit difficult.

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:30 AM

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the nem playstyle is to hope everything’s dead once you run out of dashes

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:30 AM

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but I only have two

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:30 AM

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that’s not really possible with EM2

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exactly

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that’s the problem with nem lol

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:31 AM

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I felt like my DPS with fists is way more

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I remember tearing through the heads with dem fists with zeus attack

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:31 AM

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you can save one dash for iframes, but then you’re nuking your damage

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it’s a conundrum

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yeah i prefer malphon as well

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:32 AM

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the fact that Retrash can beat EM4 on very high heat with Zag sword is mindblowing to me

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especially with dash nova

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:32 AM

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lmao dash nova

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yeah same

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the man’s an absolute monster at EM4

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:32 AM

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hestia mirrorless 32 might actually be more fun, I got to Hades with hestia mirrorless 32

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i died to timer to him though

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and almost died to timer at several poitns

patent isle Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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is aspect of zagreus just the worst aspect

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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for sword? probably

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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of which weapon?

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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but I'm not an expert

patent isle Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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of any honestly?

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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Zag bow isn't that bad

patent isle Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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actually i guess default fists only give dodge chance

edgy arrow Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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zag bow and zag shield are actually good

unique zephyr Mar 18, 2021, 4:33 AM

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i did 32 with zag bow

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it clicked with me better than rama but zag bow does have a lower skill floor than rama

patent isle Mar 18, 2021, 4:34 AM

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oh wait