first one is 3 bc of the voiceline, I forgot we weren't starting from 0 there
#h1-high-heat-strategies
solemn pulsar
honest kernel
oh no
solemn pulsar
what
honest kernel
I had Discord voices in the video
urban crater
Who cares let them hear the excitement 
solemn pulsar
one person getting hype lol
urban crater
btw if ya'll would ever like to collab on routes in the future I'd be down, its been a while since somebody had interest in them
solemn pulsar
easiest way to drop the speed on the route would be to do a chaos or two in tartarus, i didn't do any because routing AP2 chaos gives me a headache
urban crater
so happy ya'll took max heat down with one
urban crater
easiest way to drop the speed on the route would be to do a chaos or two in tart...
AP2 Chaos is a mess but its not too bad if you just prep stuff in advance
edgy arrow
if y’all do more routes, i bet pseudo would take a crack at a beo 64
urban crater
also avoid chaos in first chamber at all costs
the starting room
God those shades 
My max heat pre-1.0 had that
I wanted to die
solemn pulsar
oh yeah it's not too bad, i do one in entrance of asphodel,
I just didn't like having to sort through it to find good curse + ok boon + right exit
solemn pulsar
if y’all do more routes, i bet pseudo would take a crack at a beo 64
oh man beo is tough since it's so thirsty for boons. RI4 means only one cast stone
urban crater
asphodel entrance portal is smooth, no shades running around
edgy arrow
yeah but pseudo is very good at it
solemn pulsar
yeah beowulf 64 would be a chaos heavy route
edgy arrow
if you can get him charged shot and good rooms he could do it with 1 cast
urban crater
you just need one good one
solemn pulsar
and you can't do dio beo since no stygian
urban crater
beo doesn't need dio to be good
solemn pulsar
its fun tho
solemn pulsar
yeah the most painful weps to route at 64 would be like hestia and arthur, just because they hate DC2 so much
quartz mantle
Booze Dash strats
urban crater
arthur would do it well if not for DC2 imo
hestia has potential though with zeus cast
honest kernel
hestia has potential though with zeus cast
hol' up
quartz mantle
Huh
solemn pulsar
cast to clear DC2
edgy arrow
use drunken dash
shy plinth
I am skeptical of that combination
edgy arrow
actual legit DC2 hestia strat
shy plinth
Woah
solemn pulsar
also on a route you can get mainly beefy enemies
urban crater
drunken dash is also good
solemn pulsar
DC2 is exponentially less impactful with higher health enemies
urban crater
that's one reason beo can be very real at max heat with a route
quartz mantle
Also @honest kernel this may not mean much coming from a guy like me but congrats on the routed 64 heat clear
solemn pulsar
i had a really dumb idea where hestia gets zeus attack to clear rooms, then before the boss you get an artemis attack replacement
... in every biome lmao
quartz mantle
Yea you can also avoid Savior Numbskulls
quartz mantle
It would be funny tho
unique zephyr
Trying to get the hang of poseidon sword
edgy arrow
that would be an absolutely hilarious route
like, even if it wasn’t for max heat
nightmare to do tho i’m sure
unique zephyr
most people thought 64 was impossible so this is groundbreaking
urban crater
i had a really dumb idea where hestia gets zeus attack to clear rooms, then befo...
this sounds like a nightmare due to how rare replacement boons are
unique zephyr
this doesn't mean much from me but congrats baj
urban crater
quartz mantle
It still may be realistically impossible
urban crater
64 is possible non-routed but man you gotta be lucky as hell
quartz mantle
Or at the very least extremely improbable
urban crater
^
mossy zinc
Darren has done 32 but said he wasn't very interested in going higher. That's the highest if they haven't beaten that yet. I've asked in a previous AMA.
solemn pulsar
this sounds like a nightmare due to how rare replacement boons are
oh for sure, hence "dumb idea"
edgy arrow
it would be such a great meme tho
man if routing weren’t so time consuming there’s so much dumb pointless stuff you could do it with
quartz mantle
It would be really funny
edgy arrow
like a run where you get a stupid number of swaps and use a different attack boon every room
or a run where you have only duos and nothing else
honest kernel
congrats indeed
quartz mantle
Favored and envied indeed
solemn pulsar
at that point might as well just use codex mod
edgy arrow
yeah true
formal gust
I think for people to udnerstand just how difficult max heat is, it has to be put into perspective
edgy arrow
that’s actually practical way of doing it
formal gust
and just describing each factor of it
formal gust
and staying on route can be annoying as well
edgy arrow
even with the route it’s objectively crazy amazing
formal gust
doing a routed speedrun is hard enough
but adding the threat of death makes it so much harder
I wonder if this will catch SG's attention
honest kernel
🤷♂️
edgy arrow
i’m sure they’ll hear about it
urban crater
they're reading the chat right now probs
they know about us
don't worry
we love you sgg ❤️
edgy arrow
ye thanks for letting us break your game SGG
quartz mantle
So there was no special Hades Dialogue for max heat?
edgy arrow
we’re being nice about it i promise
urban crater
all in the nature of speedrunning
waxen relic
Clearly they're only respecting All Aspects Max Heat 
edgy arrow
indeed
urban crater
@solemn pulsar are you going to run the route too?
edgy arrow
Clearly they're only respecting All Aspects Max Heat <:shadefear:520448085151842...
lmao
solemn pulsar
<@!334853357871169536> are you going to run the route too?
when you watch the video, you'll understand why that won't happen
baj is on a whole nother level of zeus shield
edgy arrow
there are really only a handful of people even capable of executing a max heat route
solemn pulsar
i might be able to clear it by turtling a lot
urban crater
Damn I'm not good at zeus shield either
So my easier route is definitely going to still be worthwhile
I want to make routed max heat an actual category people speedrun in
That was always my intention
urban crater
there are really only a handful of people even capable of executing a max heat r...
For now
urban crater
I believe not only will current players get better, some future monsters haven't even started playing the game yet
edgy arrow
max heat speedruns would be sick
urban crater
God it would be so intense to watch
edgy arrow
beyond mere mortals like me ofc, but even just as a spectator
waxen relic
So like Speedruns on a given Route,right?
edgy arrow
yeah
waxen relic
Seems interesting yeah.
edgy arrow
wonder if it’s possible to make a mod so you don’t have to do the manips
urban crater
It puts everyone on the same playing field with no RNG
Just raw skill and insanity to guide them
(well minimal rng I should say goddamn hades invis moments)
@solemn pulsar was it routed 2sack too?
solemn pulsar
yes
honest kernel
Routed all the way to the Hades adds pool
solemn pulsar
with splitting bolt as the final room reward hehe
urban crater
My max heat run pre-1.0 broke before sacks so I ended up getting a 4 sack and had to fight hades after the timer hit 0 
I felt sweat on every inch of my body LMAO
edgy arrow
oh yeah i remember that lol
solemn pulsar
yeah there's so much garbage in styx that can fall from the ceiling and wreck your route
literally
urban crater
Yeah I routed out all the rooms with pillars after I realized that
edgy arrow
you were like “ehh this could have been a win if i got a 2 sack” and then you won
surprised even yourself
urban crater
LMAO
yup
I thought it was over
nah I did it
😂
that was before EM4 though
no way in hell can I pull that junk with an EM4 hades lmaooo
at least the timer is much more forgiving now
solemn pulsar
yeah the no rollover TD was rough times, i imagine
edgy arrow
i mean, old TD2 was easier than new TD3
edgy arrow
i mean, if you save more than 2 mins for elysium you’re not gonna have to worry about the timer anyway
bronze viper
Oh, hey @urban crater, welcome back
edgy arrow
and if you save less than 2 mins, old TD2 would’ve been better
there are certainly times where a really good tartarus/asphodel lead into a really bad elysium where it’s beneficial, but 90% of the time old TD2 would be easier imo
bronze viper
Lol, I took a 3 month break to recovery from surgery, understandable
solemn pulsar
helth
urban crater
and suddenly 64 heat is taken down by a new team of routers lmao
bronze viper
It works better to separate router from executor lol. We have some crazy aspect specialists now
Inb4 "routed" Zagius 64 for Retrash. What would that even look like
edgy arrow
together they are unstoppable
solemn pulsar
we had lots of help and advice from para/ello/museus
urban crater
It works better to separate router from executor lol. We have some crazy aspect...
baj is apparently a zeus shield god
so yeah
bronze viper
He is at that. Even in EA we knew the potential of the aspect but it's cool to see someone actually use it
solemn pulsar
he also has the fastest poseidon sword time so he's not even a 1 trick
true fable
he is also quite good at eris
urban crater
god he crushed that route in 3 days
I did my max heat pre-10 record over the course of like 10ish runs that didn't die due to routing errors/rng in the first biome
true fable
but any speedrunner has to be unfortunately
edgy arrow
honestly having the speedrun and heat record for an aspect already makes him not a 1 trick
like, no one else has that rn afaik
urban crater
Playing on max heat forces you to git gud I feel like cgull
And he was already godlike on the aspect
solemn pulsar
I did my max heat pre-10 record over the course of like 10ish runs that didn't d...
he ran through it with mods like twice? i want to say. maybe 3. and then this was like his 4th run that got out of tart. so pretty similar overall
yeah his best unseeded heat with it is 57
urban crater
he ran through it with mods like twice? i want to say. maybe 3. and then this wa...
Sounds about right! Skilled af
We need to remove the goddamn run killing rng from routes I swear 😂
drives me up a wall
I've learned to become very picky with my routes
edgy arrow
does it count as “run killing rng” when i just forget how to play mid EM4
i do that all the time can i fix it with routing
urban crater
LMAO
urban crater
The mirror struck?
solemn pulsar
the mirroring of tartarus
urban crater
OH
solemn pulsar
because of the flipped chamber 2 rewards
solemn pulsar
before that midshop was just "go fast go fast go fast"
urban crater
So I usually refernce the route with no mods/savestates from start to where it is currently after I route a biome
So that I can account for everything
urban crater
Haha wish I could have told you earlier!
bright mango
How did baj beat it with no healing and no death defiances?
solemn pulsar
he's good
bright mango
Sounds impossible
solemn pulsar
lost 36 health total prior to hades fight
bright mango
I gotta watch the video
urban crater
He's just that good
bright mango
I watched part of the stream
urban crater
Its possible but really hard
I'm def gonna route in demeter/athena duo again that boon is just bonkers
Or maybe not depending on how the run feels
bright mango
I watched the asphodel
urban crater
I'll see
bright mango
did baj get that duo?
edgy arrow
he didn’t
bright mango
Wow
solemn pulsar
to get it you have to lose skelly tooth and then get a duo
urban crater
^
solemn pulsar
since you can't pick it up with RI4 active
i asked baj if he wanted to do it
and he said naw
urban crater
He clearly didn't need it
I'm not that good, mostly because I have really bad fine motor skills and my hand injuries
edgy arrow
yeah i assumed it would just be required honestly
but apparently i underestimated Baj
urban crater
Nah you just have to have precise movement, I think KBM excels at that
solemn pulsar
definitely give tailesque's 60 heat unseeded clear a watch if you haven't already @urban crater. he's as good at rama as baj is at zeus
if not better
urban crater
Controller players have an advantage at any heat but KBM has an advantage at max heat
urban crater
definitely give tailesque's 60 heat unseeded clear a watch if you haven't alread...
I already know, he's the one who first caught up to my highest heat record
Tailesque is a god
solemn pulsar
he (along with another runner hadesprof) both have 24x50 unseeded now
urban crater
24x50?
edgy arrow
I'm not *that* good, mostly because I have really bad fine motor skills and my h...
i have video proof that your fine motor skills are fine
urban crater
I was about to say in a row??
bronze viper
He lives in Starcraft land though
solemn pulsar
no in a row would be transcendent and completely insane
urban crater
i have video proof that your fine motor skills are fine
Haha its taken me years to get to this point
I used to be a master starcraft 2 player and I played with koreans in brood war
solemn pulsar
but tail saved hestia for last (because hestia is commonly known as the "easiest" 50 heat wep), and he cleared 50 heat with level 1 hestia (only the first unlock of it lmao) to finish his 24
urban crater
And high mmr dota player
solemn pulsar
was legendary
urban crater
not anymore
urban crater
but tail saved hestia for last (because hestia is commonly known as the "easiest...
what a flex
edgy arrow
oof, hand injuries rough
urban crater
Make sure you have good posture and don't rest your wrists on anything!
You'll regret it like me
solemn pulsar
what did you rest your wrists on?
urban crater
The table lol
urban crater
You only want to rest them on really soft things like those, uh, 'anime' mousepads lol
urban crater
though my physical therapist told me its still preferable to just make sure your wrists are hovering rather than resting
So I mostly do that nowadays
urban crater
I think you're fine if you use those soft things
You just don't want to pinch the nerves
bronze viper
Most people (see: me) play on way too high mouse sensitivity too
edgy arrow
yeah i’m prolly not doing great things to my wrists
bronze viper
You should be pivoting your arm, not you wrist to play
solemn pulsar
thankfully i've never been into super high APM kbm games so i'm sort of safe
only residual tendonitis from drumming in high school will get me
bronze viper
I play fighters and action games on controller though. I was getting real wrist pain though when I was playing RoR2 a bunch
Or mobas. That was more of an existential ache though.
urban crater
Hands are important!
solemn pulsar
did you see the guy who cleared hades with a pomegranate
urban crater
At least routing isn’t intensive
edgy arrow
i did see that lmao
what a legend
i remember when DDR pad was just a joke but now we’ve gone beyond that
solemn pulsar
At least routing isn’t intensive
for the current anyheat route Satan uses a fightstick to summon instead of controller/keyboard lol. says it helps him count them better and do them faster
urban crater
for the current anyheat route Satan uses a fightstick to summon instead of contr...
THATS HILARIOUS
honest kernel
Buttons are nice
solemn pulsar
he sits with the controller in his hands
urban crater
Also his name is satan? Lol
solemn pulsar
nobody else running the current route
also the new patch broke the route
so he had to downpatch
urban crater
Yeah it does that
solemn pulsar
the reason why is great
urban crater
It killed my first max heat route post 1.0
solemn pulsar
there was a small bug with rare crop, so to fix it they added an additional RNG call before every boon pickup
urban crater
I actually had a full run just not recorded for max heat the night before the patch
And I went to bed telling everyone I’d stream it tomorrow
Tfw patch hit 
urban crater
I had no clue how and just was depressed tbh
solemn pulsar
fair
weak meadow
I am absolutely floored, congrats to everyone involved in routing that monster 😮
For other KBM players cough baj cough, (how) do you rebind your keys?
urban crater
My bindings depend on the aspect I'm using
edgy arrow
i’m a mediocre KBM player, but i just remapped call to Lshift and then chucked everything else on mouse buttons
urban crater
My wildest key bindings are probably when I use poseidon sword
honest kernel
I didn't do too many rebinds. Mainly switched the cast and special around, so that I have M1 attack M2 special
Also aim assist off
urban crater
I didn't do too many rebinds. Mainly switched the cast and special around, so th...
this is exactly what I do on zeus shield whenever I use it
and yeah aim assist is evil
unique zephyr
KBM would hurt my fingers, controller feels more comfortable to me
urban crater
I just haven't enjoyed using a controller for any game in like a decade sadly
solemn pulsar
different strokes
steep canyon
I am absolutely floored, congrats to everyone involved in routing that monster �...
I usually use default bindings although sometimes I set special to middle mouse button instead of Q
edgy arrow
yeah the big one is just moving special from Q
unique zephyr
Indeed, I don’t enjoy using kbm for games so it’s all preference
edgy arrow
everything else is preference imo
sullen minnow
Lolllll
edgy arrow
My poseidon sword bindings are: Special on M1, cast on M2, and attack on Q
that’s hilarious and also valid
i approve
urban crater
Special on sword while dashing has an extra i-frame in there somewhere I noticed and that lets me more easily abuse it and rip out casts
solemn pulsar
Will use it for max heat one day
lightning phalanx i hope
urban crater
Oh boy you know it
solemn pulsar
we're currently in a phalanx RENAISSANCE in speedrunning right now for poseidon
zeus cast is so lame
solemn pulsar
yeah someone got a good time with it
then baj got a sub 7 with it
then ronnie and i ran it in hermes cup a few weeks ago
and i got the full build and it was glorious
urban crater
That's fantastic
solemn pulsar
well your real name is Croven
solemn pulsar
no matter how hard you try to hide
shy gulch
the story of phalanx poseidon in speedrunning begins many years ago
with one lone warrior named ellomenop
shy gulch
oh word
urban crater
I was running back then too
solemn pulsar
(7:1x time)
shy gulch
bablo liked it and started using it a lot
baj used it for 3 runs and stole my WR
here we are
solemn pulsar
(6:4x time)
shy gulch
i think bablo using it is what rly made ppl look at it more
because its bablo
wait i think baj's was 6:5x
not 6:4x
idr
solemn pulsar
oh my b
shy gulch
6:53? i think?
solemn pulsar
tied for overall sword speed record
urban crater
Still a sick time for poseidon sword
urban crater
Also I just looked at Satan's record for routed, its only at 4:25 👀
We can go lower
solemn pulsar
yeah he's been on a break
he thinks this route could maybe get to 4:0X
and para is slowly working on a reroute that works with current patch
but with no runner actively interested in running it he's probably not that pressed to finish it
urban crater
Idk about his route specifically but you can go sub-4 this patch
solemn pulsar
oh yeah he just thinks 4:0X is the limit of that route
edgy arrow
there wasn’t really anything changed about the build that got sub 4s
iirc
so it should be doable again
urban crater
Yeah it is
edgy arrow
that route was pre 1.0
solemn pulsar
oh there was no hades call
edgy arrow
hades call didn’t exist at the time
urban crater
I remember when me and Vorime were working on that route we were certain we could file it down to 3:3x
bronze viper
Sub 4 👀 That's some spice
urban crater
Yeah the final time was 3:53 iirc
Sloppy stuff going on too with an imperfect route
urban crater
We rerouted like five times
LMAO
Maybe more?
God
What an ugly route
I'm so mad it was so fast
solemn pulsar
oh this was sort of fun, satan got off route a while back and ended up seeing tiny vermin with the overjuiced routed build, and you see rare 3 second nemesis vermin kill https://clips.twitch.tv/OutstandingRefinedRingDogFace
edgy arrow
oh neat i won a car thanks ledger
urban crater
Maybe you're thinking of the Spread Fire route?
Don't remember what time that route got but it was low
Before the nerf that was definitely the most powerful build ever in the game
urban crater
oh this was sort of fun, satan got off route a while back and ended up seeing ti...
LMAO yes its hilarious when this happens in a route
It just gets deleted
unique zephyr
Why is phalanx shot the meta now for speedruns for Poseidon sword?
Zeus feels like it clears fast
solemn pulsar
zeus cast falls off damage wise after tartarus
it's great for tartarus, phalanx takes more skill to effectively clear tartarus with
but it scales its damage wonderfully
urban crater
yeah its damage is up there
solemn pulsar
with lightning phalanx, mirage, parting shot, or just POMs
bronze viper
Zeus scaling with poms is poo
shy gulch
phalanx scaling with poms is soooooooooooooooo good
bronze viper
Yeah lol
solemn pulsar
phalanx rarity scaling also nutty
honest kernel
Phalanx rarity doesn't matter much
edgy arrow
zeus has like, zero duo synergy
solemn pulsar
it doesn't need it
shy gulch
it doesnt need it but it does scale quite well w rarity
solemn pulsar
but epic gives it almost all of its damage again
edgy arrow
whereas athena opens up two solid cast duos
honest kernel
L I G H T N I N G R O D
solemn pulsar
cast rarity really is just "how good will your tartarus be"
"before getting your first pom"
urban crater
@edgy arrow Just double checked, the spread fire route was only 3:59 though to be honest that route was really bad, no where near as good as the blood price update route
If we had a perfect spread fire route during nighty night it would have been like a sub-3 minute run
LMAO
that thing was rightfully nerfed
urban crater
also we had hydra skip iirc
plush scaffold
So Spread Fire went from stupidly good to worse than ME ? That's kinda sad
edgy arrow
that was like, when i’d just started playing
urban crater
iirc the best zag rail build is still ME + spread fire
plush scaffold
ME is a plague, specially for a weapon designed to use Spread, and end up being better with ME
edgy arrow
why do you have a 40 heat ME hestia time
solemn pulsar
because it was there
edgy arrow
oh
solemn pulsar
it was like 11 minutes too, not bad
distant sequoia
Has anyone had 64 heats
edgy arrow
good answer tbh
solemn pulsar
funny you should ask
urban crater
Yes it just happened like an hour ago lol
solemn pulsar
someone just did 64 heat today for the first time, in a seeded + routed attempt
solemn pulsar
yes
urban crater
First recorded one yes
distant sequoia
Damnnn
urban crater
There could be a monster hiding among us
solemn pulsar
hehe
urban crater
specially since he did it with only taking 34 damage like good lord dude are you some kind of military super soldier or something
edgy arrow
when you drink the experimental serum but instead of turning you into Captain America you just get really good at hades
worth it
urban crater
I'm excite
Also can I put a buff to explosive launcher on spear on my wishlist so I can use it on max heat pls
edgy arrow
okay hear me out: max heat guan yu
it can heal!
ez game
thanks for coming to my TED talk
bright mango
See idk if you've been watching mr astaos streams
edgy arrow
yeah i heard it was first to break 40
bright mango
But hes been suffering quite a bit
bright mango
Yeah RI2 is scary with guan yu
urban crater
I looked for newer players who had some impressive end game screens both in this discord as well as on other social media to challenge the 32 heat and above records at the time, this was around the time Hades came to Steam on Early Access
And some of them turned out to be gods
wintry berry
25hp, this is fine
bright mango
He had one extremely good run and now its his save file for practicing dad 😦
urban crater
Like the one Taiwanese player who to this day I still think is one of the best players to ever play the game
bright mango
He's made it to hades 3 times iirc
edgy arrow
wait who was this
honest kernel
Wasn't that Taiwanese player the one who went with LC4 before Stubborn Defiance was a thing
urban crater
YES
edgy arrow
are they still playing
honest kernel
Crazy stuff
urban crater
He competed with some of us for times and back then nobody was as good as we are now and it was before stubborn
honest kernel
He was nuts to watch
edgy arrow
ohh yeah with GY i can see it
urban crater
And did a LC4 run on rail
honest kernel
on hestia, yeah
edgy arrow
wait what
edgy arrow
who is this
honest kernel
I sure as heck was impressed
edgy arrow
where did they go
urban crater
Some Taiwanese player, dude was nuts
Idk he has his own life but I will never forget
edgy arrow
man
rich void
Now I just want to watch that rail run
urban crater
Eventually Touch2Much beat his time but he took way more damage
urban crater
II think Baj is the only person I think since that has gotten away on such high heat with such precise play
I still haven't seen Baj play but losing only 34 health on max heat instantly tells me Baj is on that level
Or surpassed it
dire steppe
baj is going to do 64 heat unseeded with dds with a guitar hero controller blindfolded while skiing down mount everest backwards
urban crater
baj no pls 
dire steppe
👀
dire steppe
^
honest kernel
urban crater
edgy arrow
the internet itself is too shocked by max heat
honest kernel
@distant sequoia Link's there
mossy zinc
It's a lot of Heat to process.
rich void
You might say it's all heated up
urban crater
I'm watching it at 360p i feel like im a kid again on old youtube
mossy zinc
Processing pipelines are being rerouted as we speak to handle the Heat.
My puns are so good. 👸🏽
waxen relic
Is 4 mins sth the real start ^^ @honest kernel 🙂
honest kernel
I kinda skipped over that
woops
I thought I was fine
I updated the description to point that one out
solemn pulsar
you can trim it on youtube too
mossy zinc
You can't trim skill.
Inb4 Zeus Aspect nerfs.
"This aspect is clearly broken. We should halve its damage."
urban crater
Nah this is just raw skill, only taking 34 damage
Nerf Baj pls
new patchnote: Baj may only play with one hand
solemn pulsar
in practice runs he no-hit phases 2 and 3 of em4 like twice
dude is nuts
like not "no damage thanks to acorn" but like "3 acorn charges going into phase 2, 3 coming out of phase 3"
mossy zinc
So you're saying he needs to work on his phase 1. Got it.
north dove
the coin purse start 
mossy zinc
@honest kernel cgull says you suck at phase 1 of EM4.
dire steppe
suggestion: nerf baj by randomizing keybinds every chamber
solemn pulsar
<@456226577798135808> cgull says you suck at phase 1 of EM4.
nah that's just doomstone things
solemn pulsar
the coin purse start <:zagluv:687002515069468715>
it was a chaos egg start, but then didn't get any chaos in the route so just went $$$
dire steppe
oh man i'm an idiot
i just realized the thing we're talking about is that baj finally did 64 heat
solemn pulsar
well we talk about nerfing baj a lot here
honest kernel
don't think so
urban crater
Just got to the hades fight in the vid
solemn pulsar
lol baj i love how cautious you were on witches after what happened last night
urban crater
thisgunbgud
solemn pulsar
baj with EM4: yeehaw here we go
baj with witches midboss: ok let's be careful now
mossy zinc
I remember when there was an "emergency maintenance" within 12~24 hours every time any alliance defeated Absolute Virtue in Final Fantasy XI because the fight was so hard and the intended strategy so obscure that the only ways anyone beat him were unintended exploits. Fun times.
Not like that happened a lot in the first place.
urban crater
baj with EM4: yeehaw here we go
baj with witches midboss: ok let's be careful no...
that's hilarious, what happened
urban crater
LMAOOO
mossy zinc
Oh, and some groups that beat him through exploits also had their accounts banned lol. Expecting an emergency maintenance within the next 8~20 hours, and @honest kernel gets banned from the game. 
solemn pulsar
unless they have ins at youtube, the video shall stand
also baj's hard drive, unless they set the hades.exe to detonate
mossy zinc
They might have. Remember, these are the people who designed AP2 and Speeder Chariots.
urban crater
@honest kernel What an incredible run. Hope you enjoy your new throne, king
urban crater
I would consider it a throne
If its so easy routed maybe they should actually do it
solemn pulsar
it is a new throne
solemn pulsar
If its so easy routed maybe they should actually do it
this
there's a reason we have "seeded" category on speedrun.com, and in the high heat spreadsheet
it's a different category
and still very impressive
solemn pulsar
also baj i love the slow walk to thank the supportive shade before picking up the darkness so it doesn't put you off route hehehe
urban crater
Not really any different than other games that have glitches and routes in them to abuse glitches for any% records
One day I'll break fresh file and nobody will stop me
I'll find a way
honest kernel
also baj i love the slow walk to thank the supportive shade before picking up th...
Was getting myself ready for Styx
Yeah
urban crater
Anyway, the level of skill necessary to run even on that route is extremely high
Completely absurd
honest kernel
Considering he plans on doing a rama route for Tailesque
solemn pulsar
yeah it was hella fun
even though i had to reroute elysium
original route had splitting bolt in elysium 😦
honest kernel
Actually, what happened there
solemn pulsar
so there's a glitch with using savestates
solemn pulsar
where it messes with the "reward bag" of the rewards that are available?
mossy zinc
Oh yeah, congrats on 64 Heat speedrun WR. When is sub 15?
solemn pulsar
there's a mod to fix it but i forgot to use it
basically if you use a savestate from within the same biome, the rewards will be inaccurate
solemn pulsar
a hair away from sub 14
dire steppe
also wtf that heroes fight
mossy zinc
You're only one second away. Shouldn't be too hard.
solemn pulsar
it's only like 1/30 runs that gets out of tartarus
honest kernel
Yeah and I like my nerves intact thank you very much
solemn pulsar
and it's an identical tartarus each time
not like unseeded grinding
so it's very exhausting, because it's 90% "same nonsense" and 10% "uber precise thing that can fail for no reason"
urban crater
Considering he plans on doing a rama route for Tailesque
Oh? @solemn pulsar that's juicy
honest kernel
Where's the % for "I screwed up"
urban crater
where it messes with the "reward bag" of the rewards that are available?
Oh god that glitch
I hate it
solemn pulsar
Oh? <@!334853357871169536> that's juicy
yeah i asked him for what his preferred boons/enemies would be. was going to be a project i checked in on from time to time
if you want to do it with me i'm happy to share
urban crater
I'm down
solemn pulsar
yeah the glitch was fixed in a mod
so you can use savestates from the same biome again
urban crater
Last route I did I collabed with like 3 other people lmao
OH IT WAS?
Did Museus fix it?
solemn pulsar
yeah para fixed it
solemn pulsar
para ain't about to let anything bust his routes
the only weird thing right now about routing max heat is that the starting boon/seed selector doesn't work with AP. it has the exact same code as the door predictor, which does work, but its AP selections are incorrect. so you have to trial and error to a starting seed, but that's easy enough
dire steppe
so like at this point i think it should actually be renamed ingame to aspect of baj
edgy arrow
Baj at 64 heat:
- 33 hp lost to Lernie
- 3 hp lost to snakestone miniboss
- 56 lost from one hit in superdad’s last phase
every other room was perfect
waxen relic
Lernie hardest Boss
urban crater
the only weird thing right now about routing max heat is that the starting boon/...
Its because of how the game handles AP
Its extremely obnoxious
I've tried to fix that myself for my own mod but its
mossy zinc
Baj at 64 heat:
1) 33 hp lost to Lernie
2) 3 hp lost to snakestone miniboss
3)...
What was the damage from vs Lernie?
edgy arrow
hit by one wave and the rest was lava iirc
solemn pulsar
that 56 lost to superdad was 1 hit, so that plus acorns is 6 hits in all of EM4. I think 2 hits in phase 1, 1 in phase 2, then 3 in phase 3
- n i c e *
unique zephyr
Not directly related to high heat but on a lower (15) heat got 16:02 as a PB just now, Im getting way more confident in TD3 as a pact
I was going for legendaries not speedrun, happy about how much better I am getting even with my limited play time
I’m discovering that you aren’t meant to make TD3 all the time at high heat which is what makes it a challenging pact compared to the other tight deadlines where you very rarely lose to time out
Losing to TD3 sometimes is part of learning and sometimes just doing badly or bad BP combos (or other things) can get you
mossy zinc
Nice! Getting very close to sub 16. 
unique zephyr
I’m faster right now than I ever guessed I could be or thought was even possible for me
urban crater
That's how we all start out!
I remember when I first got a sub-20 a long time ago
Was real happy
shy gulch
yea i feel that, sub 20 was my first accomplishment too
bright mango
I was doing my first beo 40 attempt today and was completely cruising through everything
Until i got overconfident when i saw the heroes
Got absolutely clapped
wintry berry
Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
bright mango
I mean i did take the wrong keepsake at the start but after getting snow burst I didnt quit
I accidentally kept on artemis from previous run
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/818968749243498576/unknown.png unseeded 57 heat be like
solemn pulsar
hoarding slash side hustle SYNERGY
honest kernel
Hyper Sprint is nice I guess
honest kernel
3 minutes for EM4
uh oh
I know Retrash is insane at the fight, but still
Not looking too good
north dove
timed out mid-phase 2
solemn pulsar
dang
honest kernel
yeaaah
north dove
not that I was expecting to win with this lol
solemn pulsar
is your zag record 57?
solemn pulsar
56?
honest kernel
I think it was 54 or 55
solemn pulsar
ah that's right
honest kernel
oh ok
solemn pulsar
i got confused by the 59 heat zag sword clear
that i can't keep your actual record straight
north dove
solemn pulsar
yeah that's awesome to get there
bronze viper
GUYS GUYS GUYS I did a thing: https://imgur.com/a/D1Xl7Jn
solemn pulsar
niiiiice
honest kernel
nice
bronze viper
Yeah it kind of hard carried lol
solemn pulsar
i know it's LC4 so it doesn't matter but lol @ dark regen
bronze viper
Lol, wait, even with LC4 off people run with whatever the other is now? Did it get buffed or something?
solemn pulsar
dark regen isn't good
you're only healing after bosses really
when you're going to heal anyway
otherwise you're getting 6 HP healing every time you see a darkness room? which isn't very much
honest kernel
Dark regen got nerfed. Also, in speedruns, if you need the healing after bosses, something went wrong
bronze viper
Oh, yeah it's been many moons since I've had LC4 off, good to know though
solemn pulsar
yeah 3 HP per chamber >>> 6 HP in any darkness chamber + extra heal after bosses
honest kernel
And then the nerf happened, and peeps made the switch to Chthonic
Used to be 80%
Also, Charon wells offer a nice amount of darkness at times
Which is extra healing too
But with Charon getting a bunch of new items in it's well, not reliable enough
solemn pulsar
it's true
bronze viper
Smh. I have a meeting playing in the background of the video. Welp, no sound it is
solemn pulsar
ah troves
bronze viper
Yeah that was typically where I got healing, from Troves with TD2
solemn pulsar
chthonic is just nice and consistent
quartz mantle
Pre 20 heat for me
solemn pulsar
dark regen is high rolling for non-room/boss darkness IMO
honest kernel
I'd like to say that the new Tight Deadline kinda screwed Troves over
quartz mantle
Then I did the math and realized I just made the wrong choice
wanton plover
is there a clear best zagspect? maybe bow or shield?
quartz mantle
I forget exactly how much darkness I’d need to outpace cthonic but I know it was a lot
Zag bow is pretty nifty
honest kernel
is there a clear best zagspect? maybe bow or shield?
Bow, Shield and Rail
Those are your 3 good zag aspects
solemn pulsar
all the zagspects have a niche except spear and sword really
wanton plover
i see
solemn pulsar
then zag sword at least can still do ME and other sword things
spear is just worse achilles in every way
honest kernel
Yeah
solemn pulsar
the special buff being % based and not base damage based really hurts it
quartz mantle
Sword gives you damage with Rush delivery so
solemn pulsar
idk why hades/zag spear can do the special + recall
honest kernel
Achilles can
solemn pulsar
just have it be like guan yu for them too, but normal piercing damage
and then exploding launcher changes it
but the recall of it is just slow
yeah i'm saying make it achilles exclusive
the recall adds nothing to non-achilles aspects
just makes special slow, sad, and bad
quartz mantle
It punishes you for using the special which is not fun
honest kernel
It does have a long range. And for it's range, it isn't all that slow
solemn pulsar
there is 0 reason to use special on zag/hades spear
honest kernel
It's a good cheese tool for new players
solemn pulsar
without explosive launcher
yeah it's decent cheese
but it'd be just as good if it didn't have the recall
honest kernel
Yeah
wanton plover
guess it just looks cool
bronze viper
Or at least have the QoL that immediately after chucking it you can attack to recall it
Instead of the awkward pause now
solemn pulsar
poor spin
shy plinth
Blinding flash gamers rise up
honest kernel
That moment when backstab numbers are huge but nobody really cares about them
bronze viper
Shadow Slash Arthur problems
bronze viper
Because it's the only aspect you want to non-dash backstab on?
bright mango
Oh ye fists backstabs are also cool
honest kernel
Not too relevant on non-dash otherwise
bronze viper
Nah I meant as far as the Shadow Slash eligible aspects lol
honest kernel
On sword ? lol nope
bronze viper
Bow is great at backstabs too
mossy zinc
Fists can do some work with backstabs
Attack backstabs don't really matter that much, Dash-Upper backstabs are very nice, though.
north dove
I don't know why I keep taking elysium hammers... flurry slash ruined another great attempt
north dove
not free no
lucid wave
oki
honest kernel
It's free until you get a combo that can just end your run
If not severely damage you
lucid wave
oki
bright mango
Benefits package is not fun
bronze viper
I don't know why I keep taking elysium hammers... flurry slash ruined another gr...
What does Flurry Slash do the Nem damage loop?
north dove
it messes up literally everything
dire steppe
flurry jab serrated point
bronze viper
I assume you get stuck in normal attacks if you don't immediately dash strike again
north dove
changes timings, removes iframes... it just sucks
mossy zinc
Yeah. With Flurry Slash, I can let go of Attack, sip tea, press dash, and still get hit out of my Dash somehow.
shy gulch
lmao
unique zephyr
I beat EM4 with FO2...it took all my DDs, I can see why people avoid this fight in high heat
Stubborn is brutal for one thing in this fight
not to mention, everything else on top of it
wanton plover
worth for the guitar tho
north dove
I swear the game only gives me 2-sacks when my run is absolute garbage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/818996603594604564/unknown.png 4-sacked with this incredible build, timed out in phase 3 still
unique zephyr
worth for the guitar tho
It really is that song is awesome
I play it in the house to pump me up sometimes
And oof retrash
wanton plover
sadge
unique zephyr
What makes Zeus special on sword good or is it just what you had?
This is great for AP2, sad about 4 sack
honest kernel
It's ok, but not ideal
solar maple
it does help clear DC2
honest kernel
And Yolted value
solar maple
but yeah not great for bosses
solar maple
but yeah this is a very good build for RI1 AP2
divine dash + dio call + a reasonable attack + jolted is quite good damage/safety
gaunt fiber
I got an amazing Antos on the power couple, thought I had a new strat
but nope, the gorgon froze the skullcrusher so I doubt I can redo it
honest kernel
I mean, the gorgon's movement and patterns are somewhat consistent, right ?
honest kernel
honest kernel
oh that is beautiful
And getting the stomper to line up is risky, but I could see it being consistent ... assuming you can account for the gorgon's teleport
gaunt fiber
I'm sad
I thought it was just timing on the antos
slightly earlier than you would meg
I'll work on it some day though
honest kernel
If you could hit the stomper twice, it would require you stun the stomper long enough with guan-yu
or stun it with the gorgon projectiles
Also assume the gorgon won't teleport
honest kernel
Otherwise, I think that stomper's dipping before the second hit
gaunt fiber
yup
honest kernel
that, or the timing is tight
next marsh
that is indeed magnificent
i wonder if it will become meta eventually
could work with the heros with some skill
but might lose time lernie, idk
honest kernel
I could see it on the Heroes
On EM3, Theseus eventually stops to look at the crowd. If you can get Asterius near him in that time, you could land at 'least one double hit
But that is risky
Especially on a ranged weapon
Since your ideal positioning is far away from enemies, not close
mossy zinc
That's what I've been doing with Antos, yes. But Meg does better damage over a run, very sure. You just have much better AoE.
gaunt fiber
I just Antos on Theseus usually
To burst him down quickly
I mean, when I get to heroes :)
bright mango
When...
honest kernel
<@456226577798135808> btw 64 heat is cleared. and not by me! <:ron:4590753779067...
WOT
bright mango
Final final final final
honest kernel
Damn.
solemn pulsar
yeah the 36 health he lost prior to EM4 was 33 HP to lernie (lava be lava) and 3 to the snakestone midboss in styx. hitless otherwise (prior to em4)
urban crater
Dudes a god, totally unreal
lucid wave
Is it better to grind out low heats or just skip to 8 heat then 16 then 24 etc.?
urban crater
grind out low heats for resources
go up one heat at a time
you want those aspects maxed
wanton plover
depends on what you want. statue? bounties? increased difficulty?
light stag
Wait what? 64 cleared?
How many tries did it take Baj to get that seed?
Does this mean that Zeus Shield is meta now?
quartz mantle
How many tries did it take Baj to get that seed?
It was routed
quartz mantle
Does this mean that Zeus Shield is meta now?
Zeus Shield was always this good but it's always been this difficult to use