h1-high-heat-strategies

[unique zephyr]

If I wanted to do any heat with just EM2 and FO2 what’s a decent time to aim for? Like a personal speed run but I am not aiming for speed run times

I’ll use Eris probably

Or Hestia

Since I’m most comfy with Hestia right now

[shy gulch]

speedrunning hestia is very very different than playing hestia at high heat

[unique zephyr]

Oh I didn’t know that

[shy gulch]

also sub 10 is the usual first goal to shoot for when speedrunning

[unique zephyr]

How about Eris

[bright mango]

With eris a good time to aim for is around 13 min

imo

[unique zephyr]

Sub 10 is so fast

I don’t know how I can make it that quick

[bright mango]

Yeah sub 10 is a very good goal

[shy gulch]

you turn brain off and go unga bunga

[bright mango]

But around 13 min is a good goal to start with

[unique zephyr]

I just want to be fast enough where TD3 isn’t as much of a problem

That 3 heat is nice if I can actually handle TD3 consistently

Instead of praying for 2 sack

And free rooms just to make the timer

[shy plinth]

Should clarify that praying for 2 sack never stops even if it isn't necessary lol

[bright mango]

I pray for 2 sack bcs patty

[unique zephyr]

True, I don’t want 3 or 4 sack to brick my run though

[bright mango]

But I've been getting a lot of chamber 33 patties

[unique zephyr]

Especially 3

[bright mango]

Im happy

[shy plinth]

Focus on keeping up a td3 pace while running td2

[unique zephyr]

And not getting hit in that pace too?

Somehow

What’s better to focus on speed or not getting hit? They seem like totally opposite goals

[bright mango]

For speedrunning its speed(duh)

But for high heat its a combination of both

[shy plinth]

At a certain point you need both but that point is in the Tailesque sphere

If you're below 50 just play what feels fun for you

[unique zephyr]

I’m aiming for high heat not speed

[shy gulch]

i mean again you can easily cruise with TD2 up to very high heat

[shy plinth]

Retrash runs 50s with td2

[shy gulch]

i dont really think you need to get this hung up over TD3

[unique zephyr]

I did time out with TD2 somehow last time

[shy plinth]

You worry too much that you're doing the wrong thing man

[bright mango]

I like going td3 but thats a personal preference

[shy plinth]

Just play the way you wanna play

[unique zephyr]

But that run started great then went downhill

[bright mango]

^^^

[unique zephyr]

True, the thing is I fail a lot

But that’s normal in heat lol

[shy plinth]

It's a roguelike

You're supposed to die

There is no escape

[shy gulch]

i mean yeah for every like

high heat run you see us post

probably 10 deaths or so at minimum

that number just increases the higher u go

[unique zephyr]

I need to remember with every success I don’t see the many more deaths

Unless I watch a stream lol

I heard bablo streaked 40 heat tho

[bright mango]

yeah he did

[shy plinth]

Do not compare yourself to the outliers

[bright mango]

but thats bablo

[shy gulch]

yes once u get good enough you can do things like that, but bablo is also one of the best players this game has ever seen

so like

that is not the norm

[bright mango]

^^^

[shy plinth]

This channel will play tricks with your mind

There are like 20 super active chatters and 5 of them are hall of famers

In the greater hades universe you do not casually strike up conversations with people that post 53 heat hades spear runs

[shy gulch]

lol

[shy plinth]

Also in other channels people play weapons that are not beo and rama

[shy gulch]

hey we play hestia here too

[shy plinth]

Right right

[shy gulch]

at least i do

[shy plinth]

There's beo, rama, and then specialists

[bright mango]

hestia bestia

[wintry berry]

DOn't forget GY lovers and haters

[bright mango]

of course

[waxen relic]

I tried to be a specialist for a while, but nah

[shy plinth]

I didn't forget Astaos

How could I

[bright mango]

Thats why hat said specialists

[shy gulch]

actually i was gonna ask about hades spear

[bright mango]

hades spear is epic

[shy plinth]

I remember both Tail and Ledger liking that weapon because you have to actually pay attention to game mechanics

[shy gulch]

@daring hedge if i ever hate myself even more and go for 50 spear, im considering hades spear. would TD2 be feasible there or will i just cry with TD3

hades spear TD3 sounds miserable

[shy plinth]

I dunno that's a lotta damage

Hades spear doesn't have a dps problem does it?

It's mostly survivability

[shy gulch]

it does

[bright mango]

tailesque has been summoned

I've found its dps to be pretty good

[shy gulch]

i cant recall if i did achilles or hades for 45 but hades 40 seemed pretty straightforward

[bright mango]

but td3 doesnt sound fun

[shy gulch]

ive found that its still a spear

so its DPS is sadge

[daring hedge]

TD3 50+ hades spear is possible, I did it for 53, but kinda won't work without serrated or exploding

TD2 is the way to go usually if you have AP2

[bright mango]

exploding is very pog

So is serrated

[shy gulch]

i might try AP2 TD2 then

do you reset for deadly strike or just roll w shackle then

[unique zephyr]

Thanks for pointing that out that’s exactly what it’s Ben doing

[shy gulch]

i assume shackle? i recall thats what u did 53 with

[daring hedge]

Went shackle start

[waxen relic]

btw tailesque, wanna barrelroll my RI4 Hadesspear? Just baiting

[daring hedge]

Yeah

Lol

[shy plinth]

Serrated hades sounds great until you get hit in the face by a sweep and die

[shy gulch]

id rather not reset for hammers in high heat as well as speed LUL so i'll just go AP2 TD2 and cry

[daring hedge]

Yeah like hades spear can work with anything on TD2, but you do need to know how to use it generally and accept that bosses will be slow

Without the two best hammers

[shy gulch]

im sure i'll figure out how to use it in my 100+ deaths that'll happen

thats generally how it goes

all i know is pain and suffering

[austere gorge]

any good weapon/aspect suggestions for 50 heat? i'm considering the hestia rail or the chaos shield since those are my 2 most comfortable weapons, but maybe there's another weapon that people typically use?

[shy gulch]

hestia is considered one of the easiest

[austere gorge]

great, thanks!

[shy gulch]

its the easiest for me at least

[shy plinth]

I don't personally love chaos at TD3 levels, feels like zeus would be better

But I might be wrong on that

[austere gorge]

i'll just have to grind out AP2 hestia runs until i get good enough to clear....one day lol. thanks!

[shy gulch]

gun go pew

[wintry berry]

I tried Arthur 50 heat. I lived until Asterius mini boss killed me

[shy gulch]

thts p far, impressive

[wintry berry]

At least I reached Elysium

[austere gorge]

gratz

[shy gulch]

asterius is just so brutal that ive started skipping elysium midboss and seeing how it is

im a loser who cowers from the heavily armored half bull

[gaunt fiber]

mood

I think it's a very viable strategy

[shy gulch]

the only downside is you lose some time but like i think thats worth it

for dodging the bull

[gaunt fiber]

Asterius is a huge time loss

At least for me

[shy gulch]

i mean relative to a normal room he's still faster

[gaunt fiber]

Depends if I have more than a stick to hit him

Btw

https://imgur.com/W0rAzu6

Look at these boons

No trial

[shy gulch]

so many

[gaunt fiber]

6 boons out of tartarus RI2

it's insane right?

[wintry berry]

That's some decent boons

[gaunt fiber]

yeah the run died in Ely

[unique zephyr]

Good RI2 luck

Unfortunate about the run

[tropic stream]

is JS2 doable with beowulf

td2

[shy plinth]

Yes to both

[tropic stream]

yea ik td2 doable i was saying js2 with td2

not td3

alright

also is cthonic vitality better or dark regen

[shy plinth]

What heat are you looking for and what pact

And are you getting bounties or darkness from bosses

[tropic stream]

finished all bounties

doing beowulf

100% HL, 100% LC, EM3, JS2, TD2, FO1

BP2, MM, UC

[shy plinth]

Oh

If you're on LC4 you can pick whatever healing option you want

[tropic stream]

oop

i completely forgot about LC

nevermind

i'm a dumbass

[bright mango]

R u doing 32 heat?

[shy plinth]

Did I do my math wrong or is that 33

[bright mango]

U won’t get bounties at 32

[tropic stream]

that's 32

[shy plinth]

Did my math wrong

[tropic stream]

5 HL
5 LC
2 JS
6 EM
5 BP
2 MM
2 UC
3 FO
3 TD

[shy plinth]

Yep

Pact seems fine

[tropic stream]

wait that is 33?

wait

am i

hold on

[shy plinth]

You do not have LC5 lol

[tropic stream]

waot

[shy plinth]

You're good, it's 32

[tropic stream]

i'm dumb

lmao

LC5

healing does damage

[shy plinth]

JS2 isn't ideal here but it's fine

[tropic stream]

i'd rather not take CF

[shy plinth]

TD2 is still forgiving

Yeah

[tropic stream]

cast build i need all the duos i can get

[shy plinth]

For Beo EM4 is an option if you're used to it

[tropic stream]

and builds

[shy plinth]

But if you're not then this will work too

[tropic stream]

yeah i could do EM4

i'm pretty used to it

[shy plinth]

Beo is probs best EM4 weapon in the game

[tropic stream]

but this is my first run of 32 heat

so i'm just gonna go safe for now

[shy plinth]

Reasonable

[tropic stream]

i've done EM4 for all my bounties past 15 heat so i've gotten used to it

but at the same time i also want 32 heat done

[solar maple]

I would still not do em4 for 32

especially if you are doing SDs

[tropic stream]

yeah ik

first run with SD lmao

besides the one i did for the prophecy

that doesn't count

[solar maple]

em4 starts being worth it for beo in the 40s

[shy plinth]

Oh first run with SD?

[tropic stream]

i mean technically not

[shy plinth]

Your boss fights will need good gameplay, otherwise it's just a bit of an adjustment

[solar maple]

and yeah that pact looks good

[tropic stream]

because i did do some runs to get the prophecy done and to get used to it

but pretty much

[solar maple]

it's actually the exact pact I recommended to someone else haha

(if you are not comfortable with td3)

[tropic stream]

alright now i just keep resetting the seed until i get exclusive access in tartarus

ez

[solar maple]

nah not necessary at all

not even the best duo

[tropic stream]

yeah ik but it helps a lot since i'm running foresight and favour

forsight and legacy*

not favour

plus

dio cast

poseidon

mirage shot

[solar maple]

ah you are doing dio cast?

[tropic stream]

yep

[solar maple]

you really want to be looking for an extra cast from chaos then

if you are going to reset for anything it should be that

it basically doubles your damage on stygian beo

[tropic stream]

yeah ik

[tropic stream]

almost lost to lernie

11 hp

now cruisin by

touch of styx dank

[unique zephyr]

Touch of styx indeed dank especially from patty

[unique zephyr]

Yeah SD was a surprisingly easy adjustment for me

[tropic stream]

now i pray for the 2 sack

i got paddy very early

at the mid shop

almost instincively bought the shop heal

😳

[unique zephyr]

I have an idea: FO1 and max HL

[shy plinth]

I have done that more than once

[unique zephyr]

save FO2 for later

assuming I can make 32 with that

[shy plinth]

Sandwich tasty

[unique zephyr]

maybe harder hitting FO1 will be easier?

let's see

[tropic stream]

67 damage spins

ow

acorn or tooth

[unique zephyr]

nvm hard labor hurts lol

not even maxed bc damage control

but at this point it's me not the pact lol, still working on Rama

I do like the challenge though

time for low heat practice again lol

Thanks for helping me learn everyone 🙂

I really do appreciate it, hope people are happy having me here lol

[solar maple]

rama is hard

takes a lot of practice to get a sense for when and where you should go for power shots

lining up enemies for multihits is hard

and properly using the special is very tricky sometimes

[unique zephyr]

So sometimes enemies aren't stun locked even when unarmored

what's up with that

like a thug hits me WHILE they are getting hit

i ripped its armor off

and it got staggered sometimes but it got a hit in

what are easier aspects that aren't rail

than rama

[mossy zinc]

@unique zephyr still working on sub 15 for practice, or what's the current plan?

[unique zephyr]

I'm doing 17 heat or so practice, I did try 32 but decided I needed more practice.

Practice:
EM3
FO2
TD2
MM

[tropic stream]

YOOOOOOOOO

[unique zephyr]

Desired pact:
Hard labor 2
Lasting Consequences 4 (use stubborn to heal)
Convenience Fee 2
Extreme Measures 3
Middle Management
Underworld Customs
Benefits Package 2
Forced Overtime 2
Tight Deadline 2

[tropic stream]

THIS RUN

IS

INSANE

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735229545694625924/816086957112950825/unknown.png?width=1051&height=657

notice anything

🙂

[unique zephyr]

damage control replaces as appropriate

how does that look @mossy zinc

for both practice and the desired 32 pact

[tropic stream]

ONE

CHAMBER

LEFT

okay wait hold on

i'm in a dilemma

do i take athena call

or do i take the extra dd

i take the extra dd right?

[unique zephyr]

I was trying the above pact and realized I still needed practice

[solar maple]

DD doesn't give an extra in shops

[unique zephyr]

also practicing with SD

[solar maple]

you have to have lost SD in that room

[mossy zinc]

Do you have any practice saves for boss fights?

[tropic stream]

wait really?

[solar maple]

so take call

[unique zephyr]

I don't, I need to look up how to do that

is it in pins

[tropic stream]

ah alright

[solar maple]

yeah you need an extra defiance slot

[tropic stream]

didn't know it worked that way

[solar maple]

an empty* slot

[tropic stream]

call acquired

[unique zephyr]

I have full god mode so I can just go to dad and make a save

and also at bull

do I just "give up" right when I die to not lose practice save

I don't remember how to do the save and it's not on pins, I forgot about that

[solar maple]

good luck in the fight! you got this

[unique zephyr]

but I should do practice saves

good luck spem

we should pin something on the practice fights

[mossy zinc]

Get into the chamber you want to practice > backup your Profile1_Temp.sav. Replace Profile2.sav or whichever slot with your practice save.
Then just load your save from profile 2, do the fight, and when you die or win, just pause and Give Up, then you can do it again.

[unique zephyr]

Copied, thank you! To back up the save I just copy the save to a safe place right?

the temp save

how much has practicing fights helped people here

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[unique zephyr]

a lot?

[mossy zinc]

You can just make a folder of any practice saves you want.

It's helped me a whole lot, personally.

[unique zephyr]

I need to find where Hades is on my computer lol

but yeah this will help me learn timings a LOT 🙂

[tropic stream]

i was going for mirage shot scint feast

[unique zephyr]

I want to make more than 3 pactice saves, there are only 4 files

[tropic stream]

but it turned into scint ice wine

[unique zephyr]

since I want to practice each fury, lernie, Asterius mini boss, Elysium heroes, and Dad

how do I switch the saves so I can have more than 3 other saves

[mossy zinc]

...\Documents\Saved Games\Hades

[tropic stream]

shouldn't be that bad i think

[mossy zinc]

That's where all your saves are.

[tropic stream]

i'm not used to regular hades lmao

[unique zephyr]

ok I'm in there now, a lot of files

but I got it now, I'll get to a fight I want to practice and do that, thanks for being patient and answering 🙂

if I want to delete a save and replace it with another, do I have to do that in game first or just on the files

[solar maple]

in the files

[tropic stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/816089469815357440/unknown.png?width=1051&height=657

[unique zephyr]

so what is backing up the current temp file do

[solar maple]

well you can delete a save in game

[tropic stream]

so uhhhh

[unique zephyr]

messing with files scares me

well, I'm not familiar with it

[tropic stream]

notice my keepsake

[unique zephyr]

so I want to do it right

since I have 200+ hours in my file

[solar maple]

yeah beo will do that 🙂

[tropic stream]

5/5 acorn 😳

that run was insanely lucky

1 room left of paddy

athena at all the right moments

11 health left after lernie

[solar maple]

lots of scint feast damage there

with double strike + splitting bolt

and 3 cast dio beo is fantastic

[tropic stream]

yep

[unique zephyr]

ok im at a boss chamber now

[solar maple]

if you want to push higher you should be able to get above 40

[unique zephyr]

so I first copy the temp file to a safe place

[solar maple]

with em4, td3, fo2

[tropic stream]

i could but em4 scary

[unique zephyr]

so I don't see a profile 2 save to replace with

I only have one save file so I only see one save

how do I replace it

[tropic stream]

plus that was a super slow run

[mossy zinc]

Just make a new save in game in slot 2.

[solar maple]

beo is quite good at bosses

[mossy zinc]

Then you can replace that one.

[unique zephyr]

oh ok

[solar maple]

if that was a slow run, and it still beat td3, you're fine

[tropic stream]

probably because i spent like 2 minutes trying to get killed in elysium

[solar maple]

td3 is 20 mins

[tropic stream]

yea ik

but that's just bc styx was fast

[solar maple]

ah yeah 2 sack + no em4

if you take off JS2 you should be able to handle td3 though

JS2 loses quite a bit of time

or just lean into it and keep td2

I don't think em4 would have been a problem this run though haha

[tropic stream]

yeah ik js2 is long

alright next is bow

rama

ez

[unique zephyr]

so do I copy the temp save and rename it to the same thing

is that how I repalce it

rename it to the second save file?

[solar maple]

yeah

rename it to the name of the temp in the slot you want

if you want to copy in a temp file

[unique zephyr]

what's the difference between copying in a temp and regular

[solar maple]

temp files store a run

regular files store a save

I think

[unique zephyr]

i don't quite follow

[solar maple]

not 100%

the game makes a new temp file whenever you start a run, and only updates the main save once you finish it

[unique zephyr]

i made the second save from a clear save

i'm in literally the second room first run and quit and am out of the game now

[solar maple]

ok

[unique zephyr]

trying to take a screenshot of my current file screen

[solar maple]

I don't really understand what you're asking. You want to delete (or more likely move) the files from a current save (this can be done in game or out of game), then replace them with the new files, and give them the same name as the old ones so the game recognizes it

[unique zephyr]

I only need to mess with the temp saves right?

just to be clear

for the second file

I can leave all the other file data the same?

and what's the difference between a sav and a bak file

this may seem basic but I'm not used to messing with save files and stuff

also I suggest something about practice saves is pinned here

so people who come in and want to practice can see

[dire steppe]

imagine practicing using save files for a glorified dating sim

[gaunt fiber]

You go to the fight you want to practice. Then you copy the profilex.tempsav, paste it somewhere (can make a back up too). Then you rename it profilex.sav (x being the save slot right, so not the one you're playing at)

[lucid wave]

lots of people with strong opinions about guan yu

[gaunt fiber]

You only do that and don't touch anything else

Guan hate means nothing to me

All I see is blinded people

[lucid wave]

oh sweet child of mine

you don't see the problems in this world

[unique zephyr]

I see Profile1_Temp.sav

is that it

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[unique zephyr]

or profile1.v.sav

[gaunt fiber]

Temp sav

Then you rename it and erase the previous profile x.sav

If you don't give up before ending the fight or dying

[bright mango]

🙂

[gaunt fiber]

It'll be lost so have a back up somewhere

[unique zephyr]

ok I backed up the save with the boss fight

copied it somewhere to a seperate folder

[bronze viper]

I hope this makes someone as happy to watch as it embarrassed me to do. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYaTctoSwAY&feature=youtu.be

[gaunt fiber]

Good idea

[dire steppe]

ledger is best player

[unique zephyr]

so I'm going to delete Profile2_Temp.sav, and copy this save and rename it to that

is that what I do?

[gaunt fiber]

No you don't need to delete

You just rename the temp save to make the game think it's profile2.sav

In the process profile 2 will be replaced so erased of course

[unique zephyr]

oh rename the temp save I have currently?

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[unique zephyr]

that's simpler than I thought

ooops

i'm dumb lol

[gaunt fiber]

Yes it's really simple

[shy plinth]

Mission accomplished, that was glorious

[gaunt fiber]

Oh god

[unique zephyr]

ok let's see if this worked

[gaunt fiber]

That was gold ledger

[neat sonnet]

that was literally gold

[gaunt fiber]

Kinda remind me of my triple attack whif against Hades' skull earlier

[unique zephyr]

It worked, yay!

so far

[gaunt fiber]

Nice

[unique zephyr]

This may seem simple to some people but I think pinning this info will help people who want to break into higher heat

[gaunt fiber]

[bronze viper]

It's not really simple to explain, but it's simple once you understand it. Also I'm not sure how mods feel about specifically endorsing file save manipulation

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok makes sense then

i wanted to suggest it but i can see now why it isn't pinned

thanks everyone for helping and being patient

[bronze viper]

Like, we're fine to talk about it but I don't think they'd like us stickying a guide

[unique zephyr]

with this and in general

that makes al ot of sense

[gaunt fiber]

Still streamin Ledger?

[unique zephyr]

since it is an official server

[bronze viper]

I will be in a bit, just finishing the last 3 submissions to the spreadsheet

[gaunt fiber]

Good

[unique zephyr]

I made it work for sure now

I have a file at FO2 Tisiphone

i'll make various for other stuff

[gaunt fiber]

You wanted to practice Tis?

[unique zephyr]

no

i wanted to test the files

[gaunt fiber]

Makes sense

[unique zephyr]

yeah it was earliest boss lol

I plan on practicing lernie, EM3 mini boss and boss

and MAYBE alecto

tis's actual patterns are simple it was testing if my save stuff worked lol

so for practicing bosses did you all just observe patterns and when you're free to hit in them?

or just practice fighting them over and over

[shy gulch]

ive never actually practiced a fight, maybe i should

i mostly just frantically run around and hope they die

[unique zephyr]

the golden bull is so fast at FO2 lol

also I should turn off TD when I make the practice saves lol

besides nyaan who else practiced fights here

and how much did it help

[bronze viper]

kk, strimming 52 Chiron attempts

[daring hedge]

i personally didn't; never made practice saves for particular bosses

just got enough experience over many runs naturally

[shy gulch]

^

i can see the value in practicing but im just too lazy honestly

[shy plinth]

Would also rather practice relative to when in the run I fight enemies

The only thing I'd consider practice saving on is EM4 personally

Just because 20-30 minutes to get killed in phase 1 is annoying

[solemn pulsar]

i practiced the hell out of charon for 64 heat

[solar maple]

I've only used savestates for fresh file dad

still haven't won though haha

that one I did because getting to the fight in the first place is already pretty tough, and I really don't have any practice with that style of fight (FO0 hades with 1 dash)

it's also very hard, so I have no hope of beating it without practice

[unique zephyr]

the game likes to do like everything possible to prevent you from beating it on your first run it's kind of funny

apparently you only have half the gods normally available in your god pool on the very first run?

[junior whale]

seems first run gets way way more tolerable if u just get ares and athena duo boon

gl doing that tho lol

[shy gulch]

you only have athena, ares, arty, dionysus on your first run

if they really wanted you to not clear they wouldnt have given you the two ME gods lol

[solar maple]

yeah the forced god pool isn't bad

ME sword is actually good

no hermes is very rough though

if I just lucked into hermes dashes I think I could win without too much trouble

I would say first run is of comparable difficulty to 50 heat (though the skills required are different)

[shy plinth]

No calls either, which is not the hugest deal but is not nothing

Considering how much easier athena call would make it

[solar maple]

the main things that make it harder than a "normal" mirrorless run are:

no hermes

lv 0 zag sword

no fountain chambers, and mid biome fountains heal less

no keepsakes (big one for hard bosses)

[shy gulch]

zag sword so sTINKY

[solar maple]

the forced god pool is fine, and honestly athena dash start is pretty nice

[shy gulch]

athena ares artemis is about as good as you could ask for tbh

[solar maple]

but no keepsake no DD 1 dash dad on a stinky weapon like lv 0 zag sword is rough

yeah dio is bad, but the god pool is good overall

also no gold pots matters a surprising amount

you are pretty strapped for cash

[shy plinth]

Man I have totally forgotten about pre-contractor rooms

You have to buy gold pots

Crazy

[solar maple]

also no story rooms/than, but that's not as important

[unique zephyr]

argh FO2 EM3

time to try again

[solar maple]

just you, a knife and a breakdancing soldier

[unique zephyr]

Im going to try a different weapon

come back to rama later

...guan yu time?

is demeter fists the most used fists at high heat

i haven't seen fists represented much in high heat in general

[pseudo girder]

Yeah, Demeter Fists are arguably the best fists to use at high heat

[unique zephyr]

good I have that maxed

[pseudo girder]

In fact, they're arguably the best fists in general

[solar maple]

just saw that speedrunning discord added a high heat leaderboard to their aspect of the week

this week is talos fists (ME banned LMAO)

[unique zephyr]

why nerf talos

is pos sword a good sword for 32 x 6 if I don't like playing sword much lol

i liked arthur at low heat

never tried it at high tho

[solemn pulsar]

trying to encourage non-ME builds because ME stinky

just choked last 2 seconds of dad fight on 40 heat talos

like an idiot

i was 1 hit and was like "oh his health is low let me just rush in and clean this up" after playing SO careful

lost patty buff on the 3 sack, big sad

[unique zephyr]

That is quite unfortunate

How is Talos on high heat

[solemn pulsar]

About the same as the other fists

[bright mango]

^^

[solemn pulsar]

Less dodge than zag

Less special chunk than dem

Gilgamesh is not a fist it’s a claw

[shy plinth]

The primary reason to play talos is that it's fun

The primary reason to play demeter is to clear

[bronze viper]

The biggest surprise I had on Talos is that it demolishes greatshields

It was an enemy type I actively wanted to encounter

[shy plinth]

It's really funny against chariots too

They kind of just zoop past you and hit a wall

[bronze viper]

I don't remember seeing them on my run, I think I only had to go through Elysium once

oh lol

That's cool

[shy plinth]

That would be a rough run if you had to do elysium twice

[bronze viper]

I meant in total lol. Took 2 attempts for the 40 but one of them ended in Asphodel iirc

[shy plinth]

I assumed as much 😉

But yeah you get the momentum from the talos yoink and they already have a lot of speed

So it just gets wonky

[solemn pulsar]

Dem is fun I like the BOOSH

From the cutter

[shy plinth]

It's a good shoryuken

Extra credit for kinetic launcher

[bronze viper]

Yeah I actually really enjoyed Talos. I just didn't understand why I would ever play it over Demeter

You get to just kill everything

[shy plinth]

Because dictating enemy movement is an enjoyable thing

But worse for the winrate

[bronze viper]

Yeah you play it for fun, you play Demeter for heat :3

[solemn pulsar]

I play it bc I was told to by the aspect of the week gods

[shy plinth]

Demeter is also fun

It's just not quite the same as doing scorpion cosplay

[pseudo girder]

Late, but yeah, every sword save for Zag is good on high heat

[solar maple]

yeah I quite like both poseidon and nem, and arthur is beefy

for 32 all 3 are good

[pseudo girder]

Sword is an extremely well-rounded weapon on a fundamental level. It's good at what it does and doesn't exactly apologize for it.

[solar maple]

arthur gets rough at very high heat, but does 32 well

[pseudo girder]

^

In my 32 heat Arthur run, I've had plenty of close calls as-is

So I can't imagine what it'd be like on higher heats

[bronze viper]

Hmm, I see Zag at the highest heat completion atm lmao.

[solar maple]

lol

zag sword op

[pseudo girder]

[true fable]

isnt nem highest

[solar maple]

nem seeded is highest

unseeded it's zag iirc

[bronze viper]

Ye

[true fable]

ah

i see

[bronze viper]

Therefore best

[pseudo girder]

I mean, if you get Rush Delivery at some point, Zag sword would be good

[solar maple]

noone wants to play nem no dedge

other than me apparently haha

[pseudo girder]

Since Zag Sword is the only aspect that grants move speed increase IIRC

Though you'd also need stuff like Greater Haste and Hyper Sprint in order to really make use of that

[unique zephyr]

Elysium 2: Electric Boogaloo

Sorry, had to 😛

[pseudo girder]

elysium 2

now the shield guys have glocks

if they shoot you, you die

[unique zephyr]

They have zag rail but good

[pseudo girder]

it doesn't matter how many dds you have

they all disappear

[unique zephyr]

Actually idk how good zag rail is

[pseudo girder]

Zag Rail is good

It's just overshadowed by Eris and Bestia

Rail in general is a good weapon, so it says a lot when even its worst aspect isn't even merely okay

[halcyon flame]

i got a double edge start with very good boons and died to arty in asphodel how is everyone else doing with nem

[pseudo girder]

Oof

[halcyon flame]

i killed meg at 2 hp in like

10 seconds

😤

[unique zephyr]

I tried nem at 32 a bit, died to furies a lot

[edgy arrow]

sounds pretty similar to my nem experience lol

[bronze viper]

Yep, that's the combo

[edgy arrow]

that weapon is not good for heat unless you’re Retrash

[halcyon flame]

to be fair that was my first 32 heat nem attempt and it was a steamroll at the start

and then i decided to side against artemis in trial of the gods over poseidon. not a good idea

[edgy arrow]

poseidon easy, arty hard

[halcyon flame]

speaking of trial of the gods does it only ever appear if there's also one or more other reward choices for the next chamber?

nem does seem good for 32 heat though if you get double egde in the first chamber

[edgy arrow]

yeah you never get forced into a trial

[tidal trench]

yall I need some advice

I legit cannot do high heat with melee weapons like fists or swoard

any advice?

I do reletivly good with bow and sheild

[solar maple]

are you struggling in normal rooms, bosses, or both?

[tidal trench]

bosses

Im good with normal rooms

its likerally hades that's my issure

[halcyon flame]

divine strike + deadly flourish is good on dem fists

arthur is a great aspect for 32 heat

[solar maple]

athena boons are great, and learning the timing to I frame hades spins is very useful

[halcyon flame]

definitely use acorn for styx

[tidal trench]

hmm ok. I dont use arthur too much

[edgy arrow]

this is said a lot but athena dash is really good

[solar maple]

all the swords are fine

[edgy arrow]

particularly on melee weapons

[tidal trench]

yeah lol athena dash is op

[halcyon flame]

you really want athena just so you can get dds

[edgy arrow]

attack is also super solid

and often overlooked

[tidal trench]

I usually go aphro with bow or something because I like big numbers, but I should switch it around for fists

[solar maple]

the way I usually get hit is I use my dashes to try to put out damage, but then don't have any left to dodge an attack

[tidal trench]

yeah, my last run I used athena attack and it went great

[solar maple]

being mindful about when he is going to attack lets you delay your attack combos to avoid that

this is specifically for sword, but applies to others as well

[tidal trench]

hmm yeah, i do the same. I dash to get up to him, but then I cant dash out

[edgy arrow]

just to check

are you doing EM4?

[bronze viper]

On fist don't forget to stop holding attack if you intend to dash through something with invincibility. You lose iframes if you attack while dashing

[edgy arrow]

EM4 melee hard

[shy plinth]

Yeah what is the pact

[edgy arrow]

^

[shy plinth]

I primarily play melee, you really have to know enemy patterns

But hades isn't too punishing as long as you dash through him often and have good reaction time to the sweeps

[edgy arrow]

i mean

EM4 tho

[shy plinth]

If it's EM4 that is a different ballgame

[edgy arrow]

yeah just don’t do EM4 basically

unless you’re Retrash or doing 50+

[shy plinth]

Or want the challenge and expect to die more than half the time

[edgy arrow]

or that

which is valid

[tidal trench]

no no, I saw reletive high

Im working towards 32

[shy plinth]

What's the pact you most recently tried on fists? And what build?

[tidal trench]

ok so I always do deadlines because fists are fast. I do EM3. lasting consequenses all the way. the one that adds the two blue hearts. custums, jury, the prices are higher. the rest of the pacts I do different every time

and I usually like aphro or athena and sometimes dio if I want to do something fun

[shy plinth]

Do you deal good damage?

[tidal trench]

I also like pibking up demeter for her cast

and duos

[shy plinth]

Hrm demeter is a bit of an odd duck, especially on fists

[tidal trench]

not as much as I would like

[shy plinth]

She's not bad but almost all of her duos are cast based

The issue here sounds like you might not have a powerful build dialed in to really do damage

Are you running demeter fists, talos, or other?

[tidal trench]

right, so I like picking up her cast and getting some cast duos

demeter usually

[shy plinth]

Try athena keepsake act 1, take attack and look for dash, and then look for artemis for your special or keepsake her act 2

Deadly reversal with the cutter crit will solve a lot of problems

[tidal trench]

hm artemis

[shy plinth]

Artemis when you hit 5 times on special is really strong

[tidal trench]

I dont really like atremis for lower damage weapons. Maybe I should try that out

[shy plinth]

And deadly reversal gives you an extra 20% chance to crit

It's for the special, not the attack

The attack is just constant deflecto punches

[tidal trench]

ah ok thats smart

[shy plinth]

But the special is 5 uppercuts that are all green

And if you have DR active, that's 35% chance to crit on each one

It becomes a delete button and will often phase hades in 1-2 giga cutters

You really want to take athena special before dash just because dash isn't a prereq for DR

But you want to end up with both

After that you can take whoever you want for your other gods

[tidal trench]

whats DR again?

[shy plinth]

Deadly reversal

[tidal trench]

oh oh yes

[shy plinth]

Whenever you deflect you gain +20% to crit on all attacks for 2 sec

Athena on attack and dash is also super safe

[tidal trench]

that sounds like a fun build. Ill try that next time

[shy plinth]

It's pretty reliable too

Merciful end is the higher risk higher damage build but that works too

You just do ares attack athena special and find artemis whenever if you can

[tidal trench]

right, I really like athena for hard hitting like charon bow, but that's really it.

im always slow to difersify

[shy plinth]

Artemis is great btw

[unique zephyr]

So what are the good duos for each weapon

[shy plinth]

Super great tier 2s

[unique zephyr]

And legendaries

[shy plinth]

I take her on a lot of stuff

Duos and especially legendaries fall off at like actual high heats, especially at 50+

Just don't have the boons

But merciful end is a build by itself that you'll see a lot

[tidal trench]

right i see

because high heat you cant choose youe boons

I never take that one lol

[shy plinth]

Once you start getting into AP+RI territory it gets impossible

[unique zephyr]

I mean like 32ish where you don’t run RI or AP

[shy plinth]

Mirage shot is the nuts for cast weapons, merciful end is the nuts for fists and really anything that hits quickly

[tidal trench]

lol im too scared to try it

ohhh I love mirage shot

[shy plinth]

But tbh I feel like most of the time I don't even care that much about duos and I'm just looking for high rarity core stuff and good tier 2s

[tidal trench]

mirage shot with charon bow and trppy shot chefs kiss

[shy plinth]

You mean Hera I assume 🙂

[tidal trench]

oh yes lol

[shy plinth]

Chiron is the slow one

[edgy arrow]

the slow one lol

[tidal trench]

lol

[edgy arrow]

i mean, it’s accurate

[tidal trench]

I actually really like chiron

[shy plinth]

It's fun

But slow

[tidal trench]

but hera I love

[edgy arrow]

hera’s pretty fun

[tidal trench]

I really love cast builds

[shy plinth]

You are in the right place

[edgy arrow]

same tbh

[shy plinth]

Have you heard of a shield named beowulf

[edgy arrow]

^^^

[tidal trench]

ahaha lol

[shy plinth]

There are some fans of that shield in here

It's a cult

[edgy arrow]

this is really the beowulf channel

[tidal trench]

Im actualy not too good with beowulf, but its just so much fun

[shy plinth]

If you ever want to learn it just come here and ask literally any question about it

As long as you have the next hour or so blocked off

[tidal trench]

its too luncky for me. I do well, but slow

[shy plinth]

It seems slow but then when you see the matrix it's so fast

[unique zephyr]

Beo seems like the most fun shield aspect

[tidal trench]

it totally is

[unique zephyr]

So I want to learn the 32 lol

For it

[shy plinth]

Zeus is dope too

They're both really interesting

[unique zephyr]

I need to max zeus

[bronze viper]

Zeus has some big brain payoffs

[unique zephyr]

It’s level 3 rn

[shy plinth]

And also the best zeus player in the world is in this channel

Hi @honest kernel !

[edgy arrow]

i’ve been playing zeus a bunch recently

[tidal trench]

zues can get really op

[edgy arrow]

think i’m starting to get the hang of it maybe?

idk

[bronze viper]

Isn't the best active heat pusher of every aspect in the world in this channel lol?

[shy plinth]

The movement stuff with that weapon is insane

Hadesprofessor isn't here 😦

[edgy arrow]

yeah we don’t have Hadesprof

[bronze viper]

Minus Schad

[edgy arrow]

otherwise yes

[shy plinth]

Also Schad yes

[edgy arrow]

Schad’s here sometimes

[shy plinth]

And tyler's chillin for right now

[bronze viper]

We say him pop into Astaos' stream earlier today, same with Schad

[shy plinth]

Nice

[edgy arrow]

you said active heat pusher anyway

[shy plinth]

Glad Schad's bouncing back a little

[edgy arrow]

a lot of the best players aren’t actively pushing heat rn

[bronze viper]

AP2 make everyone sad

[edgy arrow]

indeed

pretty fair honestly

[unique zephyr]

Best cast for beo?

And is mirage shot actually good on it? Idk how it works on beo

[shy plinth]

It is insane

It's an extra 30% base damage to every cast

Multiplied by all your scalars

[edgy arrow]

^

best cast is Flood Flare of Trippy Flare

[pseudo girder]

Flood Flare if Infernal, Trippy if Stygian

Either way you'd want Pos and Arti to show up at some point for Mirage Shot

[edgy arrow]

Flood Flare is very consistently powerful, Trippy Flare has a higher ceiling but you gotta highroll to see it

generally Flood Flare is the meta for high heat, since the highroll is harder

[dire steppe]

that's a new use of the word scalar

arguably almost every number in this game is a scalar

[shy plinth]

Yes

[bronze viper]

Do I have the patience to find a practice FO2 EM4 save with Sneaks lol... Eh I'll just deal with it when it comes up

[shy plinth]

But mirage shot is another base number

[dire steppe]

Yes

I know what you mean

[edgy arrow]

i should make a practice save for sneaks

[dire steppe]

mirage shot is basically double strike

[edgy arrow]

should be easy to make since i get them every time

[dire steppe]

mirage shot + scint feast + double strike is like quadruple strike

[unique zephyr]

How much have practice saves helped you all

[edgy arrow]

man imagine if you could pom mirage shot

[dire steppe]

you usedd to be able to

[edgy arrow]

i don’t think mirage doubles lightning strikes in scint feast

[dire steppe]

because of icd?

[edgy arrow]

yeah

idk

i’m not sure what the icd of scint feast is

but i assume there is one

[dire steppe]

idk maybe blizzerd shot is a better example then

[solar maple]

it might still work as it is different sources of the lightning -- different instances of scint feast

not sure

[shy plinth]

I ran the numbers

[edgy arrow]

yeah the more i think about it the more unsure i am

[shy plinth]

And so far it says "if you have dio beo with mirage shot scint feast you one-shot hades' phases so who cares"

[edgy arrow]

who knows how many lightning that would be

yeah lmao the real answer is that scint feast does surprisingly little because everything is dead

[solar maple]

scint feast is nice for elysium eyes

[dire steppe]

imagine not using shackle beo

[solar maple]

cleans those up well

[shy plinth]

I would guess that it's no more than 5 bolts per second

But 5 bolts per second is still a lot of bolts

[solar maple]

yeah if you are running into icd you are dealing quite a bit of damage

[edgy arrow]

are you running shackle beo as well now?

[shy plinth]

Fun fact, ICD stands for "intentional chiron debuff"

[edgy arrow]

there’s three of us!

it’s legit now!

[dire steppe]

wet beo is just bad shackle beo

[solar maple]

what have I done

[dire steppe]

finally an accurate nickname

[shy plinth]

I assume you all talked about it at beo club this week

[solar maple]

why are you at beo club?

[edgy arrow]

pseudo as the beo heat wr holder your decisions reverberate through the cult of beo

soon everyone will be chanting “shackle beo” in the streets

[shy plinth]

I'm not at beo club

That's why I don't know

[dire steppe]

shackle beowulf? why? what did he do wrong?

[solar maple]

what do you think this is

[shy plinth]

No this is the front

We pretend to be about high heat in general here

But it's a recruitment agency

[dire steppe]

The first rule of beo club is you must talk about beo club 24/7

[edgy arrow]

and sidetrack any conversation about other aspects into ones about beo

[solar maple]

yes

[dire steppe]

Club is less beo and more World Splitter tho

[shy plinth]

Rule 3. Any conversation about convenience fee is secretly about beo, see rule 2

[edgy arrow]

we need to pin these rules

actually, get rid of the rest of the pins and replace them with the beo club rules

more important

[dire steppe]

Hey did you know I'm doing HIGH HEAT runs with the ASPECT OF BEOWULF? Here's the plan. I'm going to use the MIRROR and my OBOLS in order to get more BOONS. You see, I need BOONS because I'm using the ASPECT OF BEOWULF, which is a CAST ASPECT. This means you need DUO BOONS as well as other SCALING.

[edgy arrow]

this game is about getting boons

[bronze viper]

We need that on copy paste whenever we get wildly off topic

[shy plinth]

Billy Mays was a beo player

[edgy arrow]

other joke aspects don’t respect boons as much as beo

[dire steppe]

rama is worse the more boons you have

[edgy arrow]

if you don’t require every boon in the game to win you’re not playing a real aspect

[dire steppe]

rama would rather have every hammer than every boon

don't ask what triple twin explosive is

[bronze viper]

Can you imagine sword with every hammer? What would it even do

[shy plinth]

Not every hammer

Chain shot is secretly a nerf

[dire steppe]

i think the twin perfect pointblank is enough to make up for that

[shy plinth]

Twin perfect point blank seems good yes

[solar maple]

sword would want every hammer just so it could have double edge

[shy plinth]

The ol double edge big chop

[dire steppe]

how do you combine cruel thrust and word splitter

[shy plinth]

CRUEL WORLD

[dire steppe]

LOL

GOODBYE, CRUEL WORLD

[bronze viper]

Cruel thrust would do approximately the same amount it does now lol

[edgy arrow]

world splitter flurry slash would lowkey be amazing

[dire steppe]

"your attack does 25 base damage"

think again

[edgy arrow]

okay but which damage takes precedence

[shy plinth]

The enemy's

[wintry berry]

Sword would be cursed

[solar maple]

true

[shy plinth]

Well yeah you get to heal

[edgy arrow]

that’s what they said about GY

[dire steppe]

let me just use triple cluster hazard rockets brb

[edgy arrow]

“it’s fine you don’t even need health”

[shy plinth]

Also yeah eris with every hammer would be so stupid

[dire steppe]

if you press special you die

[solar maple]

tbh rail would be most absurd yeah

[bronze viper]

Oh right, this fight is hard. Can't kill EM4 FO2 with a nut build.

[dire steppe]

delta chamber + flurry fire + spread fire

[solar maple]

triple cluster hazard rockets would just wipe the whole map

[edgy arrow]

triple cluster rockets hazard bomb

wipe out the whole map including you

[shy plinth]

Okay wait a minute

Every hammer lucifer???

Those would be some big balls

[dire steppe]

infinite beam + flash fire doesn't work

lol

[edgy arrow]

i wish there could be a mod for this

but it’d be a nightmare to make

[shy plinth]

We do not use the attack button on every hammer lucifer

[bronze viper]

Lol they'd have to do a lot of coding and assets work to make the non-supported combos do something

[dire steppe]

isnt every hammer lucifer the same as just standard greater inferno + triple bomb then

[wintry berry]

Imagine infinite ammo + ramp up on lucy

[edgy arrow]

yeah exactly

[bright mango]

That would be epic

[dire steppe]

concentrated knuckle + rolling knuckle + heavy knuckle + long knuckle sounds like absolutely mad dps on fists

you could get your base attack dmg up to like 200

[shy plinth]

Okay wait would guan yu be completely insane

[bronze viper]

Did they fix the Chiron thing where if you had Epic Swift Flourish + Concentrated Volley you could get one volley to count the previous one's count

[bright mango]

Flurry jab👀

Guan yu

[edgy arrow]

flurry jab isn’t a GY hammer tho

[shy plinth]

Chain skewer breaching skewer vicious skewer exploding launcher charged skewer???

[bright mango]

But what if you could get it with guan yu

[edgy arrow]

that would be lit ngl

[dire steppe]

Chain exploding skewer... Lol

[bright mango]

Exactly

[edgy arrow]

actually no

you’d have serrated as well

those two hammer have anti synergy

[shy plinth]

Yeah you'd have all the attack stuff

But the special things seem insane

[edgy arrow]

for sure

idk whether exploding launcher would do anything on GY

but the others stack up

[wintry berry]

+5 base damage

[dire steppe]

how much damage would a triple cluster hazard rocket do

[edgy arrow]

math says lots

[dire steppe]

80 base dmg per rocket, 4x base so 320, then 1600 base cause 5 clusters, but -30% additive dmg

[shy plinth]

80 * .7 * 5 * 3 * 4

Oh is it minus 30%

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[dire steppe]

let's say you have +100% from various sources, and then you have heartrend and deadly strike

so thats 1600*1.7*4.5

[shy plinth]

Use two of these on each side ``

[dire steppe]

that would be 12240 damage in a single shot

if you fire off all 3, you die

[shy plinth]

Oh right hazard

[dire steppe]

since each does 122 dmg to zagr

[edgy arrow]

so basically rail hammers good

[shy plinth]

Is hazard triple that again

[edgy arrow]

what else is new

[shy plinth]

No quadruple

[dire steppe]

i included hazard in the calc already

Yeah so basically all hammers rail could straight up instakill you with the right build

[edgy arrow]

you barely need a build at that point

[shy plinth]

Shackle ez

[dire steppe]

assuming you have no crits but you have shackle and eris, then in chamber 1 you are doing 1600*2.45 = 3920 dmg per special

so a triple cluster activation will kill you in room 1

[solar maple]

yeah I mean if you had all those hammers it would be pretty easy

I mean delta chamber? broken

[dire steppe]

keep in mind that this is hazard bomb so like

these would be

large explosions

harder to dodge than you're usd to with rocket bomb

[shy plinth]

But hazard rockets

[dire steppe]

you just can't use the special in styx

[shy plinth]

Hahahaha

[dire steppe]

or against asterius miniboss

[shy plinth]

IF I GO DOWN I'M TAKING YOU WITH ME

[solar maple]

sure you can

you just need SD

[dire steppe]

LOL

[shy plinth]

Or athena's aid

[dire steppe]

does athena's aid protect against hazard bomb even

[solar maple]

I assume so

[shy plinth]

Would be shocked if it didn't

Considering it protects against TD

[dire steppe]

It doesn't protect against TD damage

Only dying from TD

[shy plinth]

Ah right

[bronze viper]

You know, I know some game companies have a policy that you can't put content in your game that you can't beat. I'm willing to bet that didn't apply to FO2 superdad lol.

[solar maple]

64 heat is not meant to be beatable

and yeah I don't think they really balanced around the fully souped up dad

with the full suite of EM4 FO2 CP2 etc

[bronze viper]

Not even considering HL5, CP2, or DC2. Just partial soup

[solar maple]

but that's part of the fun

[bronze viper]

Yeah I guess I just have to keep reminding myself I found normal FO2 Dad this oppressive at some point.

I think

[unique zephyr]

I beat FO2 dad (and EM3) with fists

fists are my best weapon, but I had sea storm that run lol

splash dash + sea storm

[solar maple]

I've only done FO + em4 on beo. Never even tried on other stuff

[unique zephyr]

It isn't EM4

[solar maple]

I die on normal FO hades enough haha

[unique zephyr]

EM3

[solar maple]

oh I was talking about what ledger was saying

[unique zephyr]

oh oops just came in haha

That's a big mood

[solar maple]

and yeah, FO2 hades on normal weapons are tough