nvm it'll be with blade dash so i should be fine
#h1-high-heat-strategies
edgy arrow
solar maple
it is actually good yeah
like he starts ares keepsake
then takes attack or dash by rarity
lmao
edgy arrow
god gamer
solar maple
he really is
it's also just a really fun boon
setting up the blades before an enemy spawns is satisfying
edgy arrow
that's definitely true
shy plinth
Is it as satisfying as lining up a cast with an enemy spawn tho
I very much enjoy dropping a cast in an enemy right as they pop up
Oh wait I'm talking to beo players never mind
That's something that happens on other weapons š
edgy arrow
that is cheating but its also true
solar maple
honestly probably better than dem cast
edgy arrow
can't really argue
solar maple
lmao
solar maple
yeah you might be right haha
edgy arrow
although if you can sell the duo you now have the best cast for beo and a lot of money
so its not the worst situation to be in ig
shy plinth
I was looking while doing the episode with Tyler for the first beo run we have on krashercorr's sheet
And it is horheristo with icy flare
The video is titled "torture %"
shy plinth
They really really really didn't
edgy arrow
wait
edgy arrow
he actually forced icy flare
shy plinth
Yeah his other runs at 40 look like he's trying
So this was... something he thought was optimal
edgy arrow
he's actually trying to find a good build yeah
shy plinth
The legends of snow burst go back years
edgy arrow
quote from vid description: "I like this new aspect a lot, but fml I can't figure out how to make it do work fast enough in Elysium under these conditions, so I had to reduce the boss tier."
mood horheristo
solar maple
wtf is that video
edgy arrow
i can't get through elysium with icy flare either
shy plinth
That is the first recorded beo run we have on the spreadsheet
It was brand new at the time I think
shy plinth
This is how people thought you had to play beo
solar maple
aaaaaaa
edgy arrow
beo genuinely baffled everyone when it came out
shy plinth
I can see the argument of feeling like you need to force snow burst
But yeah the strats were sub par
edgy arrow
just get a decent cast and force snow burst in asphodel lol
edgy arrow
or go for mirage like we would now ofc, but if you haven't thought of that yet
pseudo you did 50 with zeus cast
i think you already did torture%
shy plinth
Torture%?
shy plinth
That is some Modern Warfare
edgy arrow
i need to see these runs
edgy arrow
entirely fair
shy plinth
Jerds%?
shy plinth
Yeah he has all his abilities mapped to the zxcv row
edgy arrow
that's controller and mouse right?
solar maple
with beo??? no chance
shy plinth
Jerds% is controller mouse
edgy arrow
ohh
solar maple
yeah but I have neither right now
shy plinth
Croven% is all your abilities are on the bottom keyboard row and you use actual arrow keys
Ideally on a laptop keyboard
edgy arrow
woah that's way worse than i thought
solar maple
yeah it's bad
edgy arrow
its honestly shocking how much better at this game i got when i switched to a real keyboard
laptop keyboard stinky
edgy arrow
what does a switch run at?
shy plinth
I think 30
edgy arrow
oh oof
shy plinth
On docked it might be faster, closer to 60
But it struggles sometimes
Plus a TV is much further away than a monitor
shy gulch
laptop keyboard is how u ascend to god gaming
shy plinth
There it is
shy plinth
Oh man ZXC and AS
edgy arrow
did you not have a mouse
shy plinth
Summon was SPACE?
shy gulch
I do not have a mouse
solar maple
summon as space is my favorite part yeah
shy gulch
I have a trackpad
edgy arrow
I do not have a mouse
thank god
if you just did that for fun i would have been extremely concerned
shy plinth
I guess when you wanna summon you don't wanna find the button
shy gulch
nah thatās unironically what I thought was optimal for me
and it was!
until I got a controller
shy gulch
I think I did like
edgy arrow
honestly i respect it
shy gulch
32 all aspects and sub 10 all weapons on those binds
shy plinth
Wow
unique zephyr
I just thought of something: convenience fee interacts with tight deadline 3 because convenience fee makes shops less useful lol
edgy arrow
i remap all sorts of stuff in most of the games i play
edgy arrow
playing out of the box bindings is usually a mistake imo
but this is taking it pretty far
unique zephyr
I like low heat practice runs because I can actually buy stuff
I rebound dash to bumper
shy plinth
Oh yeah convenience fee is secretly the devil
unique zephyr
And reload to another bumper
shy gulch
look oho I had to find what worked
shy plinth
Dash on bumper sounds like a lot of trigger action
shy plinth
I can see special on trigger but the amount of dashing I do would be awkward on trigger
shy gulch
I still use those binds for hestia
unique zephyr
Itās not trigger
shy gulch
since Iām just so used to the reload muscle memory
unique zephyr
Itās a button on shoulder
solar maple
I'm not going to do it for beo though
shy plinth
Yeah I call those triggers
solar maple
that sounds like pure pain
shy plinth
I think that's what they are
shy gulch
itās not that bad for beo
shy gulch
I had some decent success w it
solar maple
it is definitely "that bad" for beo
shy gulch
lmao
unique zephyr
I can dash attack easily
shy gulch
maybe u need to game better pseudo
shy plinth
Isn't that harder on your hands/wrists?
solar maple
you have 8 directions for bull rush my dude
shy gulch
thatās enough
solar maple
8
shy gulch
itās easy
shy plinth
For the default bindings you just jam your thumb diagonally to dash attack
unique zephyr
My hands and wrists are never the problem
shy plinth
Standing Hades??
shy plinth
Gotta get some hades workouts
shy gulch
DDR pad hades time
shy gulch
lol
solar maple
I would do it
shy plinth
I appreciate the consistency
solar maple
I don't have a DDR pad though
solar maple
if call% is possible anything is
unique zephyr
But basically for now I do 30 mins then rest at leat an hour between
Physical therapist suggestion
shy plinth
Smart
unique zephyr
Sometimes I do 45 if I feel frisky
But thatās rare
I feel myself tightening before then
I had to quit JRPGs lmao
Because 30 mins doesnāt accomplish anything there lol
shy plinth
Octopath traveler would take you a year
unique zephyr
It legit would
A year would be a fast pace I think
If I liked the game and wanted to finish all characters lol
I donāt have it because it was like 40 bucks and I knew it wasnāt the game for me at this time
But I bet itās very good
I didnāt realize how much I hated convenience fee till recently
At 16 it felt free lol
Or almost
solar maple
CF is not free
unique zephyr
I know that now
solar maple
you lose quite a few boons with it
solar maple
the first is harder than the second I think
shy plinth
Don't ask beo players about cf
shy gulch
^
solar maple
nah I use CF
shy gulch
lmao
edgy arrow
same
solar maple
it's still bad though
edgy arrow
^
shy plinth
I totally agree that CF sucks and is surprisingly impactful
It feels free at 16 and it's really punishing beyond that
edgy arrow
using it just means we fully appreciate how bad of an idea it is on beo
unique zephyr
Why do so many people like beo
solar maple
beo is fun
solar maple
and a good high heat weapon
shy gulch
I like it a lot too
solar maple
shy plinth
It is probably the most unique playstyle out of all the aspects
shy gulch
no pseudo
unique zephyr
I did beo for 16
shy plinth
It's really, really different
solar maple
edgy arrow
i like beo because its weird and does big numbers
unique zephyr
But I have no idea for 32 lol
edgy arrow
that's my entire reasoning
shy plinth
Yeah
shy gulch
itās a very fun weapon tho and when u get a full build, nothing else in the game compared to its power
shy plinth
Yep
unique zephyr
Fair enough will do
edgy arrow
and aspect dependent imo
unique zephyr
But yeah for my vods Iāll look at where I got hit and how
solar maple
FO1 HL5 is easier I think but I haven't done either in a long time
shy plinth
At a certain point it's "where do you think you have the skill to deal with a less forgiving game"
unique zephyr
Iāll focus on dodging and worry about time when I actually turn on TD3
Or what I feel like learning first
unique zephyr
FO1 HL5 is easier I think but I haven't done either in a long time
Is it just max both now
unique zephyr
Even for Arthur?
solar maple
but I don't play arthur
edgy arrow
i maxed both for Arthur at 40
shy plinth
There's no hard and fast rules for this game
People take dramatically different pacts based on what they play and what they're good at
solar maple
here's the secret: if 40 heat is doable, every subset of that 40 heat is too
shy gulch
I either max both or Iām speedrunning LUL
solar maple
so lots of pacts are fine
shy plinth
You can build some really crap pacts that are obviously subpar
But peach could probs clear them anyway
shy gulch
the prophet of Arthur
edgy arrow
is Peach ever gonna do Arthur 50
edgy arrow
oh fair
solar maple
it's tough
shy gulch
heās gotten close I think
edgy arrow
i can believe it
shy gulch
but it is indeed quite tough
solar maple
yeah he's gotten to styx a few times I think
unique zephyr
Time to do a practice run
solar maple
I know he was streaming attempts when the barrel roll was at 50
solar maple
Conditions:
(1) To barrel-roll, submit a run that is one Heat higher than the previous submission OR a run with a faster clear time that's on the same Heat as the previous submission.
(2) The very first run submission must be at 0 Heat.
(3) God Mode is not allowed for this particular challenge.
(4) You may submit multiple runs, but you cannot barrel-roll your own runs.
(5) You may submit runs that were completed up to 24h before the previous submission was submitted.
(6) Runs before February 1, 2020 are not eligible.
shy plinth
Some weapons have some pretty major pain points that limit the heat progression
solar maple
currently it's at 53 I think
shy plinth
Like it's real hard to take RI on Beo
solar maple
I want to do one, but redoing 54 heat seems like a waste
shy plinth
And for arthur DC2 is just a nightmare
unique zephyr
So @shy plinth when I see my vods now I should think about how I felt and what I got hit by?
shy gulch
DC on hestia :(
solar maple
so I want someone to do 54 so I can do 55
shy plinth
Yeah that's subpar too
unique zephyr
DC on Hestia just no
shy plinth
@unique zephyr I'd see if you can identify your panic states and what caused them
edgy arrow
if you do 55 beo with be tied for 4th highest aspect
shy plinth
But yeah I mean just figure out where you didn't like what you did and where you would want to do something different
If you attack and whiff that's probably just as bad as getting hit
Because dead enemies can't kill you
unique zephyr
I sometimes feel the auto aim messes with me
But I will probably do worse if I turn it off
That is true yeah that whiffing is a huge mistake
I also have a recovery animation in addition to enemies existing longer
solar maple
next time tail streams I'll try to trick him into doing 54 heat I guess
shy plinth
I just finished a run and posted a vod with it
shy gulch
luckily zeus shield can still work well without maxing it out
solar maple
eh it can
shy gulch
you just need to use like zeus special
solar maple
but maxing it out is big damage
shy plinth
That is what I did lol
unique zephyr
Oh sweet Iāll try it out then
shy gulch
but itās not completely useless at lower levels
unique zephyr
Maybe my next practice
shy plinth
Yeah at max you can make thicc heart rends
unique zephyr
I have plenty of bounties at least
shy gulch
I was gonna say ālike chironā but chiron is actually worthless at all levels
solar maple
it goes from 8 to 32 per tick
unique zephyr
32 per tic? Awesome
edgy arrow
level 1 chiron
solar maple
maybe 30
shy gulch
chiron
shy plinth
But neither do damage
edgy arrow
100%
solar maple
but it's big
shy gulch
chaos gets charged shot
edgy arrow
chaos is a shield
edgy arrow
and gets charged shot yeah
shy plinth
Hard to beat baby guan yu
solar maple
lv 1 chiron is the same as lv 5 chiron I don't get it
bronze viper
Lmao
shy plinth
Nah max level chiron is called "rama"
daring hedge
so uh https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/815842904453939210/20210301010746_1.jpg
shy gulch
no max level chiron is called pure sadness
daring hedge
dad died to a hangover tick crit of 1221
edgy arrow
woah
daring hedge
shame the earring wasn't up for that
edgy arrow
i was gonna complain that there's no splitting bolt
but i will accept a 1221 damage hangover crit instead
wanton plover
i love earring
solar maple
earring with 8 mins left to flex
shy plinth
WHAT
daring hedge
WAIT false alarm i'm too tired
the crit was maim
but hangover crits happening were like almost 500
shy plinth
You must have had bad influence permanently active
unique zephyr
why does rail special feel weird to aim on controller
shy plinth
94% jeez
unique zephyr
i miss it a lot
bronze viper
Lmao. I was about to say. You can get those numbers with Dio call though
wanton plover
i never aim it
unique zephyr
with hestia though i mostly use attack anyway
solar maple
yeah rail special I've heard is weird on controller
solar maple
you should use special though yeah
edgy arrow
yeah how do ya'll play like eris and lucy on controller
unique zephyr
I don't play lucy
edgy arrow
where special aim is super important
shy plinth
You press the x button and the special goes where it goes
unique zephyr
i s till have lucy at level 1
wanton plover
just press it
unique zephyr
lmao
shy gulch
rail special is tuff, I just let auto aim do itās thing
wanton plover
let the bomb decide
true fable
i think luci good
shy plinth
Yeah I just smack it and go about my business
edgy arrow
just press it and hope lmao
true fable
the special is a lot of damage
solar maple
imagine aiming rail special with croven binds
shy gulch
luci is quite fun
bronze viper
You just do? It takes some practice to quickly get the reticles to go where you want yeah.
solar maple
it just goes
shy plinth
Triple bomb on lucy is crazy
shy gulch
itās the same as controller tbh pseudo
shy gulch
I donāt have any more control over it now that I have a controller
shy plinth
I would assume all of the rails are
daring hedge
http://puu.sh/Hl7vd/dba1903e50.jpg dad upset about these hangover numbers
shy plinth
Oh man that's like a fireball shots hangover
bronze viper
It doesn't take much with a crit. He had base 60 hangover 5 stacks
true fable
could it possibly be the peer pressure glitch?
daring hedge
didn't take peer pressure
true fable
ledger i was thinking more about the 73 damage single tick
edgy arrow
what's this peer pressure glitch?
true fable
if peer pressure is the only stack on an enemy
it does 8x what it says on the tooltip
bronze viper
Lmao
edgy arrow
wth
bronze viper
I didn't know that.
edgy arrow
that's random lol
true fable
yuh
bronze viper
Peer pressure meta
daring hedge
i think that might have been a tick from right before the stack count dropped
so the number for more stacks is there but the stack number updated after that showed up
shy plinth
Did you have a chaos boon or whatever
I'm trying to do the math and that number seems very large
edgy arrow
i mean, there aren't any chaos boons that increase hangover
shy plinth
Oh right
I was thinking cast damage
So yeah if a base hangover tick was 60 damage
How did we increase that 9 times over
daring hedge
like i said, pretty sure the damage number is not from a single hangover stack
shy plinth
A critical is triple so 180, even if bad influence is active that's just 180 * 1.94 = 349
So mabe it just accumulates
daring hedge
it's just the damage that appeared right before stacks dropped
true fable
low tol?
shy plinth
I'm going by the calc on the wiki
Base * (1+crit) * (1*reg +dmg)
Minus damage reduction
Order should be irrel
edgy arrow
yeah that's what i'm saying
true fable
and FF
true fable
but im assuming mr fox here is RI2 gaming
shy plinth
The bonus damage is multiplicative and not added to reg damage?
And yeah FF would be +25% in the reg damage I think
true fable
ah ok let me check
shy plinth
I'd assume bad influence is additive
edgy arrow
yeah it is
shy plinth
60 * 3 for crit * (1 + 0.94 + 0.20 + 0.70)
That's the equation right
Order is irrel
true fable
here the global damage mods to consider are FF, Bad influence, and possibly ruthless reflex proc
edgy arrow
he hasn't got a full god pool
daring hedge
ah yeah, ruthless was happening frequently
edgy arrow
FF's only doing +20% here
shy plinth
Ah ruthless is probs the thing
true fable
god im such a nerd
edgy arrow
Order is irrel
i mean, sure if you put it in brackets like a smart person
solar maple
close enough
shy plinth
Yeah that makes 547 plausible
edgy arrow
yeah 511 gets you there really
shy plinth
Also that's a lot of purple damage
edgy arrow
numbers aren't exact if you do the math in this game
i assume there's rounding going on somewhere
solar maple
nah probbaly just forgetting about some random boon he has
like strong drink or something
edgy arrow
i've seen my numbers be randomly off by a small amount when i've had really simplistic builds
edgy arrow
there's definitely rounding or something somewhere
solar maple
shy plinth
Gotta be bouldy
edgy arrow
bouldy can't grant bonus hangover damage lol
solar maple
edgy arrow
but yeah its him for sure
shy plinth
Bouldy believes
edgy arrow
shy plinth
That was the ambiguity bonus all along
Also it's possible the game just threw Tail a bone for finishing the run with after party
shy plinth
Did you reroll for it
If you're looking for that boon you must leave no stone unturned
daring hedge
yes hermes gave me garbage
edgy arrow
you had the wrong cast as well
shy plinth
edgy arrow
get black out on this
daring hedge
lol
shy plinth
Yeah let's be realistic
unique zephyr
so for the bullet hell attacks like witches circle and yellow lernie shooting stuff is it better to dodge or to try to break the projectiles?
assuming no easy deflect
also I finally found the zeus legendary, it was a fated list lol
solar maple
it depends
if there is a clearing in the bullets, dashes are better to get there
but if there is no clearing you need to attack
it also depends on the weapon
unique zephyr
for rama is special good to clear it with
it's what i use
but i want to make sure I hve the right idea
solar maple
I don't know
unique zephyr
what would it be for beo
solar maple
I mess it up when I try that a decent amound
unique zephyr
I actually am interested in learning beo
because the other shields seem boring other than zeus
solar maple
for beo I typically try to just bull rush in
unique zephyr
which is at level 3
beo is max
in terms of blood
does beo need any special consideration for pacts?
you did say it hates CF
solar maple
for 32 avoid CF yeah
unique zephyr
For my hypothetical pact what would be good instead of CF
solar maple
but other than that pretty standard
unique zephyr
Hard labor 2
Lasting Consequences 4
Convenience Fee 2
Extreme Measures 3
Middle Management
Underworld Customs
Benefits Package 2
Forced Overtime 2
Tight Deadline 2
solar maple
I need to look at a pact to think real quick
let me pull up hades
and you hate td3
unique zephyr
yes
solar maple
so I'll make a td2 one
unique zephyr
nice
is aphro cast the best start
for beo
i normally like aphro or dio cast for beo
but i dont know much about beo lol
solar maple
I would start pos cast
then go arty attack -> mirage shot
athena is good because it's high heat
and dem is fantastic
shy gulch
dem cast???
solar maple
snow burst is great, and rav will is quite good
shy gulch
Poseidon cast is good bc of easy lead into mirage and poggers aoe
good damage too, not the best but good enough
solar maple
either is fine
solar maple
legacy is more consistent for mirage, but pride is just generally good
solar maple
I tend to do pride, but I go either way
unique zephyr
ah ok, are you figuring out pact now
unique zephyr
Sounds good
solar maple
idk I would usually just do td3 instead of JS2
or FO2
but those might be harder for you
unique zephyr
yeah TD2 timer is basically free
solar maple
especially with pos cast
unique zephyr
if you lose TD2 it's not because of JS
solar maple
nah if you lose this td2 it will 100% be because of js haha
js is quite slow
it loses several mins
not 8, but several
unique zephyr
I'm getting more and more used to FO2
looking at a vod I've gotten much better at dodging than before
overall
I'm learning I think
solar maple
so by doing JS2 instead of td3, you trade harder normal rooms for ~5 extra mins (assuming JS2 loses you 3 mins)
solar maple
yeah that's why people do it for speedruns
unique zephyr
btw someone told me if I die at furies I have a long road ahead of me but I feel like that happens at high heat sometimes
because I die in all kinds of random places
solar maple
no you're fine
I die in tart all the time
most of my deaths are tart tbh
hardest biome
they only say that because they are thinking DDs probably
shy gulch
yeah nah furies are rough at high heat
solar maple
if you die in tart with DDs you have a long way to go haha
important thing to know for beo is you can load your casts during the charge
daring hedge
wanted a truly off the rails zeus dash gilga so https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/815855164383952917/20210301015641_1.jpg
daring hedge
most satisfying thing on earth to dash around and just effortlessly have these numbers pop up constantly http://puu.sh/Hl83U/fff80615bc.jpg
main wasp
yeah nah furies are *rough* at high heat
This, High heat and EM makes furies a tough job
vital grove
That is a Zeus build alright
unique zephyr
if you die in tart with DDs you have a long way to go haha
Nah I use SD now because LC4
Even on practice SD now
solar maple
oh I know
I'm just saying why I think they believe that
they probably use DDs, and so never die in tart
unique zephyr
Ah ok makes a lot of sense now haha
spice lava
Hestia is worse than sniping, it's having a rifle with only one chamber that matters
solar maple
of my last 10 runs (not counting resets, various weapons, all 50+ heat), 6 died in tartarus, 1 died in asphodel, 2 died in styx, and 1 was a victory
so don't feel bad about dying to meg from time to time haha
if you count resets way more died in tart haha
shy gulch
2 died in styx and none in elysium?
interesting
I feel like every time I enter styx I exit it
well I guess barring TD3 and a 3+ sack which mightāve happened
so nvm then
solar maple
one was em4 death with ares cast beo
the other was dad fight choke with 50 heat nem
usually I die more in elysium, just variance of last 10
shy gulch
oh you include dad fight in styx
solar maple
oh yeah
shy gulch
that makes a lot more sense
solar maple
I don't die in styx tunnels
shy gulch
yeah I was a bit confused
solar maple
I think I could beat styx with 0 mins tbh
solar maple
like could win through 5 dps from timer
solar maple
maybe not normal rooms
shy gulch
just to see how far I could go
shy gulch
oh yea those r annoying
usually when I see those I instantly just let myself die
bc I hate doing them
so much
solar maple
but a 3 sack with 0s? shouldn't be too bad
shy gulch
ye esp since you can just reset SD in front of a door whenever u want
speaking of things like this
I think one of the most impressive challenges haelās done was this but for the whole run
that was p cool
solar maple
after party stonks
shy gulch
it finally did something
solar maple
over 1000 pushups were added from that run alone iirc
main wasp
Man getting to 40 heat will take a llooooong time
Do you guys only farm on weapon
Or let the thirst guide
gaunt fiber
You can farm bounties in the range of 20 (no bounties afer) if you like. Most of the time people will jump from 20 to 32 and then to40
main wasp
Hm
Maybe after I finish farming 25000 darkness
I'll rush bow or malphon to 40
Probably Malhpon
Gilgamesh aspect is still on of the most fun
honest kernel
made it to hades on 45 but twin shot+explosive shot rama made the fight waaaay too hard for me :(
main wasp
I somehow cannot like short range hammers on bow
honest kernel
it was fine up till then but fo2 hades just destroyed me for having a longer windup move
main wasp
The only time I went for s short range build was with triple shot and explosive
At that point I was melee
honest kernel
yeah thats what it does
vital grove
50 is a handful
edgy arrow
"build" is a mood lol
its funny how when you start playing this game you just use random boons, then slowly you start making better and better builds until you're using the best ones in the game, and then when you hit 50+ its just like "oh i got the second worst attack boon for my aspect, lets go this is the run"
"shackle is a build right"
honest kernel
not sure if I wanna push up to 50 now it seems messed up
yeah ap gave me awful hammers
edgy arrow
perfect is pretty good
but sniper is a joke yeah
especially on rama
45 to 50 is definitely a massive increase in difficulty
honest kernel
gonna upload the run
I got super sloppy at hades last phase but I stopped caring bc I saw how much health I had
super lucky to get 2 sack otherwise it would have been rough
I wasted a lot of time in elysium
spice lava
50 heat runners : "With this rare boon, maybe I can finish this run"
Any heat runners : "If I had this boon to my full pockets I would save so much seconds"
kindred sluice
edgy arrow
"With this rare boon, maybe I can finish the run"
the rare boon: common flood flare
honest kernel
next wyvern
on High heat triple shot is better than twin shot for Rama right?
honest kernel
I like twin shot more its more dmg
next wyvern
Ah
next wyvern
i see
btw Chiron with Artemis special is better than using Dio special?
or it depends?
spice lava
I would say it's different dps
next wyvern
I mean isn't Chiron is all about damage? which one would do more?
spice lava
With dio you can shoot an ennemy then you can go directly to another one because you know the poison will do its job
celest grail
i personally liked dio chiron more for the room control on higher heat
spice lava
Artemis dps is higher when crit
celest grail
though heartrend chiron shreds bosses and single enemies
next wyvern
ah
celest grail
for dio, you want curse of nausea (ares), low tolerance (aphro) and maybe splitting headache (artemis)
for arty, you just want heartrend
next wyvern
so generally speaking Arty would usually more reliable since less duos to care about?
spice lava
If you're talking about high high heat, most of the time with RI1 we don't have the luxuary of the additionnal chances for duos š
Artemis can have a snowball dps if after the special you find support fire or hunter's mark
next wyvern
so yeah i'll take Arty tks boiz
spice lava
Dio deals poison damages, but the rest of his boons is also about control and support
Artemis has a really offensive set if you gather them all
bronze viper
3
solemn pulsar
With no rolls a core boon on AP2 is 1/4
solemn pulsar
you play the game enough these things are bound to happen
unique zephyr
Iāve seen people use coin purse in high heat. When is it used and why?
Iāve seen it as a tartarus start
pseudo girder
Coin Purse is used only in Tartarus start for extra money in order to get to shops easier
unique zephyr
What do people buy in shops? Mostly boons or centaur hearts too?
Usually I donāt have enough money to get both with CF on
Also nice job finishing 32 x 6 poke
pseudo girder
yeah
unique zephyr
Thatās my current goal
pseudo girder
thanks!
spice lava
Boons probably
subtle hearth
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spice lava
HP is generally easier to get (cheaper than boons on shops, Thanatos, etc.)
pseudo girder
yeah, on high heat, HP is always top priority
it's partially why Aphro is so powerful
thanks to Life Affirmation
spice lava
I would say it depends of the aspect
spice lava
Tart and aspho are usually used to gather the build then elysium is hammers/hp rush
shy plinth
Shout out to elite styx heart doors
pseudo girder
all my homies love elite styx heart doors
honest kernel
I sometimes pick purse in asphodel to buy a boon but
forcing athena turned out better for me in the long run
spice lava
Hypnos purse means your dps is good enough to stand the first rooms, it's a risky bet at high heat
We tend to have a god item in order to manipulate the RNG : At least this god will keep me company during the run, I know I'll see their other boons later
vital grove
I'll take purse in Asp if I saw Athena in tart
unique zephyr
Beat FO2 hades without Divine Dash, getting better š
bronze viper
Nice!
Lol that's actually the #1 takeaway from doing 24x40 I've gotten. I've memed so many runs with Tidal Dash that I know for certain I don't need Divine Dash to win runs anymore
tidal flame
finally got obs to work this time
Came back with a vengeance I see
tidal flame
Yeah DF is a godsend because faster hammer = good. And boons for UC selling.
Anyhow, happy for ya.
honest kernel
whats ur pb
unique zephyr
Lol that's actually the #1 takeaway from doing 24x40 I've gotten. I've memed so...
I used Artemis dash for the dash strike goodness with Rama
i just saw it and picked it up
tidal flame
whats ur pb
46 š³ I pre one-up ya.
honest kernel
damn
halcyon flame
hunter's dash probably works the best with bow
it can also go well with serrated edge or maybe fists
edgy arrow
shackle basically is cheating in tartarus, but later on the enemies can cheat harder
main wasp
FIST
true fable
i usually force athena but im happy to see any athena core boon really, esp on AP2
any dash boon is honestly a godsend on 50
since it doesnt break shackle
and helps a ton with DC
also buying poms and centaur hearts is a big big scam on CF2
solemn pulsar
poms esp on AP2
shy plinth
It costs so much
true fable
if only you could sell centaur hearts :^)
solemn pulsar
price of midas
true fable
yeah lol
shy plinth
You can sell two hearts for a spear
true fable
weirdly enough
i dont like buying centaur hearts
but will almost always buy centaur souls
brain machine broke
solemn pulsar
it's probably the over/under 200 gold
true fable
ye if i had to guess
solemn pulsar
:psychiatry:
gaunt fiber
2 attempts made it to Dad today!
bronze viper
or else
wait
In about an hour or so I'll probably start streaming meme Zagius runs. We'll see if we can prove how much luck is needed to compensate for 0 skill.
neat sonnet
Well to be fair I think I demonstrated the luck hard carry yesterday
wintry berry
Have you checked the pins ?
honest kernel
rama is fun
tidal trench
Iād say Rama
main wasp
hm, thats a lot of pins
shy plinth
I will give an alternate opinion to Rama and say "not gilga"
quartz mantle
Rama is definitely top like 3 aspects at high heat
although anything can preform well at 32
main wasp
I really like Rama and I played too much Arthur last week
bright mango
gonna use Gilgamesh or Rama
Dont try gilgamesh
main wasp
but I'm not mad enough to try Gilga at 40
bright mango
for your first 32
main wasp
evntually I will
bright mango
sure thats fine
main wasp
Star Trek references compels me
shy plinth
Gilga was my first 32 and I do not recommend it lol
main wasp
I need an off work day for 40 and 32
bronze viper
Gilga was my first 32 and I do not recommend it lol
That's a bold choice. Must have given yourself a much harder impression of high heat than you should have gotten lol.
shy plinth
It was AP1 Gilga
Got proc blocked on ME 3 times
So yes I thought 32 was way harder than it actually is lol
Gilga is my most used weapon I think, I do enjoy it quite a bit... but it's not the best
Meanwhile I did a zeus run yesterday and cleared without popping SD despite not having played the weapon in months
The more you know
unique zephyr
Good news is I can play for longer at a time next week (1 hour) if physical therapy progresses
main wasp
word
tropic stream
what would be a good 32 for beo
bronze viper
EM2 DC2 RI3
shy gulch
CF2, pain
pacts at 32 are still flexible so if youāre fine with FO, you can trade CF2 for FO1 or something like that
tropic stream
alrighty then
bright mango
^^^
bronze viper
@bright mango strimming
bright mango
I wasn't comfortable with fo2 at the time so I took it
bright mango
<@!811054495026380860> strimming
epic
unique zephyr
In trying to be careful I play so slowly TD2 becomes a problem now :/
It's hard to play fast AND not get hit
And then I got hit and died, time was out already when I died though
I wonder if doing a run low heat where I just go as fast as I can with no regards to anything else can improve my overall speed
shy gulch
yeah i think it was bright who said high heat has an interesting balance of aggression and safety
which i do agree with
unique zephyr
I just don't know how to meet that balance really
I thought I had a good run going too
I want to be good enough so 32 will be easier for me but I know that will just take time
How do I dodge seeker witches consistently?
shy gulch
get divine dash
unique zephyr
this is chamber 4
I took a lot of damage
For all you 40+ heat runners did many of you never think that you'd do 32 consistently?
just could use encouragement lol I guess, I am doing my best but still, I still don't really know how to learn from vods
since everything is fast
32 heat rama feels far off right now š¦
hope people don't mind me venting about how far I am from where I want my skill to be, this is the channel to vent too I assume
daring hedge
yeah i think it was bright who said high heat has an interesting balance of aggr...
It's such an improvement on old high heat where there was no TD
So it was all safety and taking a million years
Partly also because of +500% hard labor equivalent
shy gulch
honestly taht sounds like such a slog to watch and play
daring hedge
It was
My 153 heat pre pact rework record was like 45 mins, and that was before styx was even added lmao
light stag
heat used to be counted differently
quartz mantle
Tailesque is just crazy with it
light stag
did it go to 160?
quartz mantle
He exceeds the pact
he actually stacked like 4 pacts on top of each other
Mans is using EM8
main wasp
MaN
unique zephyr
Can someone watch my lernie fights and EM3 fights sometime when I make a video just of those
I have trouble with those
FO2 lernie surprisingly hard
main wasp
it is only hard due to Lava
shy plinth
FO2 bosses don't mess around
unique zephyr
I just need to be mindful of head slam lol
main wasp
what's wrong with Fallout 2
light stag
Same as the Witches Circle - it isn't that hard - the lava is hard
quartz mantle
what's wrong with Fallout 2
Personally wasn't a fan and it didn't live up to the hype
main wasp
you always get better
main wasp
@quartz mantle don't make me hurt your feelings