the one I sent earlier
#h1-high-heat-strategies
neat sonnet
unique zephyr
FO or TD3
sullen minnow
yes
neat sonnet
HL5 LC4 CF2 MM EM3 TD3 BP2
unique zephyr
UC?
neat sonnet
yes
neat sonnet
no I forgot it lol
unique zephyr
Fair enough it isn’t too painful lol
neat sonnet
I got 32 in three goes so I'm not super familiar
sullen minnow
What aspect?
neat sonnet
GY
sullen minnow
Oof, ill be no help there
Trying to build for artemis I presume?
There’s always the shackle to help out
neat sonnet
that's the start
I'm not about putting on AP but if I have no better suggestions I may just
unique zephyr
yes
In that case I’ll learn FO2 first, then TD3 since I don’t need both at the same time right now lol
At 32
sullen minnow
At that heat it has to start being a consideration
neat sonnet
yeah..
sullen minnow
AP2 also soft-opens up RI1
neat sonnet
I am not AP2ing myself at 40
sullen minnow
Because being boonless makes RI1 hurt so much less with dark foresight
solar maple
that's more of a 50 thing
neat sonnet
JS and CP are no-nos at td3 yeah?
solar maple
it depends how fast you are
neat sonnet
well
sullen minnow
ehhhhh I’ve squeaked by with at least 1 js
solar maple
JS is easier than CP usually
solar maple
I run JS3 CP2 TD3 at 50. It's all down to how fast you can go
neat sonnet
hmm
sullen minnow
i feel like js1 isnt the most painful thing you can think about
neat sonnet
I only need 2 heat I might as well experiment and try js2 or something
sullen minnow
HL5 scares me most in there candidly
neat sonnet
HS is a trap literally
sullen minnow
But you have no FO so that helps
honest kernel
hs should give more heat for how evil it is
neat sonnet
true!
sullen minnow
Yeah I saw what you were trying to do with HL and LC so I figured that was the route
solar maple
it's pretty rough but you can do HS at 40
sullen minnow
HS could be 2-3 heat and it would still be a choice lol
solar maple
like FO2 HS JS1 could be decent
neat sonnet
I will get totally destroyed by traps but we can certainly try
solar maple
oh and if you are at 17:20 you can definitely do JS1
yeah you have to be real careful around traps
neat sonnet
yeah I got a big ol high roll last run but
solar maple
they will one shot you
neat sonnet
that's what it's all about 🙃
solar maple
I'll admit I have no idea how GY does
so this isn't advice specific to that
I've played less than 10 GY runs ever
spring kettle
Did you do the prophecy at least?
solar maple
yeah I have like 2 attempts on my main file
then a few more on the file I used in EA
so I did the prophecy
sullen minnow
Yeah if it was anything else I’d give better advice but my name isn’t @gaunt fiber so I don’t guan yu lol
spring kettle
Astaos did a mirrorless Guan Yu for the barrel roll challenge just to flex
solemn pulsar
AP2? never heard of her
neat sonnet
dang
solemn pulsar
(routed btw)
austere gorge
that's nuts
neat sonnet
also I made it to furies lol but I did this thing called losing two dds to the big laser miniboss
north dove
not even epic frost strike smh
sullen minnow
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790729912163368991/815686413214547988/u...
Thank you for being my zeus shield body image inspiration
solemn pulsar
there wasn't an epic frost strike within like 30 RNG offsets
and the common was within 1
and baj only wants it for chill
the cold fusion is to sell btw
north dove
what's the bouldy boon? could make or break it
sullen minnow
Green 1st perk 👀
For special contact? Does that interact with the lightning bolt?
the 1st, that is
solemn pulsar
gonna sell it
so fun fact, because of what you have to do in the bouldy room for the RNG to work, the bouldy boon is actually going to be truly random every time
i think
in this case it was 4% special damage
sullen minnow
bouldy looking out for a brother
bronze viper
Sigh, just had to wait for a sufficient high roll I guess. https://imgur.com/a/85OhQFn
neat sonnet
congrats!
bronze viper
Just Achilles, Talos, and Zagius left, probably in that order
vital grove
bronze viper
I haven't decided the variety of cheese I want to do on Zagius yet. Sea Storm feels appropriate
light stag
I selected a shop in Elysium and in the last moment saw that Patty was the other door. Reaching for the ESC key I accidentally hit the power button on my laptop, reseting my whole run
bronze viper
Lmao
light stag
it was my own fault
Also in one run I killed myself in Asphodel after I had forgotten I had already lost my SD this room
shy gulch
yeah that ones a classic
sullen minnow
trust no one, not even yaself
light stag
in better news I almost beat 32. I had him at 10-20 % of his second health.
neat sonnet
good stuff! what's your weapon/pact?
light stag
I reached him once again but that run was doomed and thetimer ran out also
Demeter Fists
neat sonnet
pacts?
light stag
how do I upload photos here?
Anyway I;m going to type it:
LC4
CF2
JS1
EM3
BP2
MM
UC
FO1
DC2
AP1
TD2
neat sonnet
since I'm mostly on GY, I can't speak to using DC, but HL is typically easier than FO
shy gulch
what build are you using for dem fists
neat sonnet
your mileage may vary but if it's easier to not get hit it matters less how much damage they do
shy gulch
DC2 is fine if you're running zeus attack but i'd probably avoid it without
also personally i'd swap AP1 for like HL2 or something, AP is pretty punishing
i wouldnt take it below 40 at the absolute minimum
neat sonnet
I didn't even notice the AP, I'd also say get that outta there
unique zephyr
FO2 is rough, I sometimes still lose to furies like just now
I need to git gud lol
shy gulch
as do we all
shy plinth
FO2 hard
edgy arrow
losing to furies is a sign of strength, not of weakness
how much like ancient wisdom did that sound? i was trying my best
shy plinth
That's good
shy gulch
feelin like crap just want achilles to call me lad
unique zephyr
Every god I come across tells me about how much damage I've taken it's hilarious
and the furies too
unique zephyr
Keeping going after 3 losses in a row
am I determined or just crazy lol
funny thing is I got to Hades before on Rama 32
but now dying to furies
but I don't mind the game kicking my ass this way
Turning up the heat is quite humbling, at least for me
Is it normal for high heat to be mildly frustrating sometimes? I am keeping the frustration in check and just keeping on going though
bronze viper
Yeah super normal
solar maple
taking a break is healthy if you get too frustrated
for me I don't get frustrated too much
mostly bad sacks
and chokes
those get me
bronze viper
Just try to do your best to learn and start over from scratch next time. If it gets too frustrating just leave it alone and come back to it, or do a different aspect or something. What I like to do is have multiple different projects, of ranging heats/meme queued so I can bounce between them when I get sick of what I'm doing at the moment
bright mango
losing to furies is a sign of strength, not of weakness lad
We answer to you sensei
unique zephyr
Just try to do your best to learn and start over from scratch next time. If it ...
That helps a lot to know, thanks!
I'm trying 6 x 32 so I may switch aspects from time to time
gaunt fiber
Just try to do your best to learn and start over from scratch next time. If it ...
On the other hand I'm a stubborn degenerate
unique zephyr
like Pos for sword
im recording my vods
the thing is, I have no idea what to look for when watching them
gaunt fiber
You should watch to your movement in a room, how you clear them and how
You should aim to go toward the exit and never go back
Also, killing enemies efficiently : line them up, no whiffing
One important thing as Poseidon is cast management : you don't want to spam and run after them
unique zephyr
What about in terms of dodging? Since that's what I'm learning with FO2
solemn pulsar
See when you get hit
Figure out how you would have avoided that
Did you attack too soon? Too late?
Should you not have been there at all?
Every input you make is a decision. You will be punished for some decisions with either damage or slow play
Identify slow parts and parts where you get hit, and determine how to adjust your play style to avoid those things
Once you’ve isolated some things, i recommend spending a few runs focusing on one at a time, so you can do targeted practice and not get overwhelmed
Like spend a run trying really hard to not get hit, even if you die to timer in asphodel
Then once you’re better at everything you’ve identified you’ll be able to blend your skills together into a full play through
This is a more efficient way of improving then just throwing yourself into the gauntlet repeatedly and hoping something improves
bronze viper
Yeah you can try HL0 FO2 TD0/1 runs and try very hard to not get hit
Ignoring everything else
bronze viper
Yeah, basically
unique zephyr
I'm going to focus on the not getting hit part first
shy plinth
Yeah I mean there's no great secret here
It's pretty easy to identify what a perfect run would be
Every one of our attacks hits, every one of theirs misses
Obv both super extreme outcomes, but at least that's the clear goal in every circumstance
So we can just evaluate things that deviate from that standard
The hard part is how to look at your own gameplay and give yourself constructive critical feedback without judgment
Very easy to sit there and say "ugh I played so badly" as opposed to "I really shouldn't constantly spam dash, I keep missing hits and ending up out of position"
First one is not helpful, second one is
Also that is advice that I would like to give myself
Future Hat, please stop spamming dash. Sincerely, Past Hat
gaunt fiber
First one is not helpful, second one is
:)
bronze viper
Lol, okay okay fine, no more Inferno Bomb chaos boons on Achilles
neat sonnet
yeah that would hurt
unique zephyr
I have a maybe crazy idea: pierced butterfly with EM3 and FO2 just to practice not getting hit
I can see myself getting super frustrated and nervous though
unique zephyr
True, FO2 makes the bosses harder. I get more nervous and get hit with butterfly so maybe not? I’ll see
bright mango
Pierced butterfly is one of my favorite keepsakes
unique zephyr
Why is that?
bright mango
It feels so satisfying
shy plinth
So here is why I would recommend against that
If your brain is prone to "pass-fail"
Either I'm perfect or I messed up and need to start over
Butterfly will just kick you into that mindset faster
If you can roll with it and you're not worried about getting hit here or there, fine, but unless you really need to know if you got hit or not, a butterfly run is just gonna help you feel bad faster and isn't a viable strat for clearing 32 anyway
At least not for us mere mortals
solar maple
sounds about right
neat sonnet
well you got a heck of a lot farther than I did pog
solar maple
playing super safe/damageless is also not how you play high heat with TD
you need to know how to, for when you are in danger though
bronze viper
playing super safe/damageless is also not how you play high heat with TD
Idk, playing like this is more or less fine at TD2. Obviously not damageless but you can still play defensively
bronze viper
lol, also fwiw you need to have a really good baseline knowledge for how to not get hit while you're playing TD3, since you can only bunga so unga at very high heat before you get smacked back home.
solar maple
yeah with TD3 I tend to play fast while caring about not getting hit
then once I lose SD I go into safe mode
then after I get hit with no SD I'm in full no hit mode
so you need to know all 3
shy plinth
Yeah those breakpoints feel familiar
unique zephyr
I'll focus on not getting hit but I won't run butterfly
just do a lower heat run trying to dodge but using normal keepsakes
neat sonnet
you really just have to.. and I don't know how to explain this because I kinda played out of my mind today and got lucky as heck but you really have to dial in and be so aware of your decisions
everything is decisions
whether it's snap choices or long-term planning
true fable
im the same as pseudo
unique zephyr
i do the most thought in boon selection and room selection
shy plinth
You can also play for TD3 while on TD2
Like if you get in your head about the timer, just play to shoot for 4 minutes per biome
But then if you miss at least you don't die
Gives you targets to hit without the anxiety
unique zephyr
I'll focus on that after I get down the "dodge FO2 well" part
one thing at a time, right?
and right now to learn enemy tells and dodge I have to take a little time
shy plinth
Yeah I mean really like this all comes down to "play more"
But yes not making multiple giant leaps simultaneously is a good idea
And I know you're limited on play time too
You have plenty of time to sit and ruminate about what you could've done better 😉
I know how anxiety brain works
unique zephyr
Heh. Thing is looking back at past vods is very confusing
since everything is so fast
so I'm not sure how to even process what happened if that makes sense
shy plinth
Slow em down, pause when you see something weird
If you want to make it simple, pause whenever you get hit or whenever you make an attack that does not hit
@pseudo girder grats 🙂
pseudo girder
thanks
shy plinth
Now do Arthur
pseudo girder
yeah
that's the plan for me, anyways
since I never maxed out Nem nor Poseidon
🙃
shy plinth
Also arthur fun
pseudo girder
now I gotta find a way to swap FO1 for something else that isn't TD3
Because FO1 on Arthur is not. Fun.
shy plinth
I don't think it's that bad but I'm sure people will yell at me
Arthur is one of my fastest weapons though, feels like it can keep a td3 pace pretty easily
Attacks are slow but enemies evaporate
pseudo girder
yeah, especially with hammers like Super Nova and Breaching Slash
pseudo girder
yeah, double edge is definitely the best one of the bunch
kinda forgot about it though since it's been a hot minute since I last played sword
I mostly keep to the Fists and Rail for speedruns
unique zephyr
Elysium feels really fast paced on FO2 for dodging, especially the big chariots and the skeletons
I am identifying more enemy tells though and playing more carefully still
but I feel the panic in Elysium
a lot
In terms of dodging I have more trouble with big chariots than small ones
unique zephyr
What about the chariots?
And of course EM3 Asterius is really fast too
I lost an SD in my practice run against Theseus and Asterius
and that was with acorn on
I want to do 32 heat with all 6 weapons but I'm not sure how close I am to that goal :/
I only feel decent with rail (Hestia aspect) right now
neat sonnet
I honestly don't even know what weapon I would do next for 32, maybe bow?
unique zephyr
I've been trying Rama, maybe I should try a different kind of bow
Chiron might be fine for TD2?
melee weapons scare me for 32 but I want to be good at them too
neat sonnet
loooool
unique zephyr
but yeah I uh, need tips for EM3 Asterius lmao
light stag
The Champions/ Asterios solo keep killing me mostly because EM3 Asterius is so excruciatingly slow and requires so much patience
shy plinth
I doubt you'll have time for charge shots either
neat sonnet
yeah
unique zephyr
I am doing Hestia to practice FO2 and I still lost an SD to the heroes fight
shy plinth
It's really just making sure you don't get hit by jump craters and don't get too greedy when you hear him spinning up
unique zephyr
with acorn on
neat sonnet
esp with rama (I would guess, no experience) where you have such slow charging
neat sonnet
happens for sure
shy plinth
That is a thing that will happen
We get hit by chariots with nobody driving them in elysium
Not surprising that it happens in the boss fight
Asterius feels to me like it's about learning his patterns
I usually stay pretty close, if he takes a second to start his double chop he's going to jump 3 times after, and if he doesn't he's just gonna go chop chop
The spinny sound is obvious, get away and don't go for extra attacks
And the charge I have no idea lol
Stay near a wall and probably get hit anyway
unique zephyr
the charge and jumping is harder than the spin for me
the spin is the easiest attack for me ironically
shy plinth
Longest start-up, makes sense
The charge is just gonna happen at some point, it's easily his hardest attack to dodge
The jumping is a question of holding dashes and recognizing when he's going to jump 0 times, 1 time, or 3 times
If it's 3 times it's very common to start an attack after the first jump, go "oh crap" after you realize he's jumping again, and dash out of it just in time to get clipped by the crater on the third jump
So I generally don't attack after first jump any more
bright mango
When he starts his jump I dash and then shoot when he misses
Rinse and repeat for the rest of the jumps
light stag
he tries jumping towards you how do you make sure the splash doesn't hit you?
light stag
BTW when he's jumping towards you if you're brave I think you can try dashing and attacking into him
but that's very dangerous
pseudo girder
Greatest Haste is a lifesaver against Asterius
If you get an Epic Greatest Haste, then escaping even FO2 charge shouldn't be too much of an issue
bronze viper
I'm pretty sure Asterius always jumps the direction he's looking so it's very safe to dash directly behind him (it takes a bit to get the spacing right for the shockwave).
Same tactic as non EM but a longer distance back.
pseudo girder
Hyper Sprint is great, but it doesn't grant more i-frames in order to bypass certain large attacks
bronze viper
Greater Haste is a lifesaver against Underworld Customs lmao
Epic is alright. But big oof the common and rare
pseudo girder
You guys may disrespect Greatest Haste, but truth be told the positioning value it provides is well worth it
solemn pulsar
Hyper Sprint is great, but it doesn't grant more i-frames in order to bypass cer...
30% damage reduction and no stun on sturdy. Very good
bronze viper
Just not seeing a universe I would ever take Epic Haste over common Hyper Sprint
true fable
ive started taking hyper sprint over +1 dash at high heat
true fable
hyper sprint is insane value on its own
rush delivery is the biggest cherry on top
you never expect to get hyper rush on high heat
but having it open is never bad
bronze viper
Yeah, I take Hyper Sprint over +1 dash on most aspects. I don't know what I'd do though if I was offered +2 or sprint though
unique zephyr
Current pact:
Hard labor 2
Lasting Consequences 4 (use stubborn to heal)
Convenience Fee 2
Extreme Measures 3
Middle Management
Underworld Customs
Benefits Package 2
Forced Overtime 2
Tight Deadline 2
true fable
i probably take +2 depending on the aspect
unique zephyr
Replace HL 2 with DC2 when appropriate
bronze viper
Guess it would depend on aspect/boons
unique zephyr
What would turning down CF do
true fable
let you buy boons
true fable
i think it depends on the aspect for me lol
sometimes i take hyper sprint over epic dashes haha
unique zephyr
I’ve taken hyper sprint more often than before now and like it a lot
shy gulch
a little bit thats my general rule
true fable
hyper sprint is my most picked boon ever
shy gulch
lmao
shy gulch
probably same?
unique zephyr
If I raise HL I must become even better at dodging
But that’s fine I guess lol
FO1 and max HL may be easier but I hear FO2 pays dividends for 40+
For Rama I’ll probably turn off CF for DC
bronze viper
Hyper sprint has a learning curve. It's very easy for example to get hit by shockwaves twice with sprint from dad/Skullcrusher boss lol. Also lava is a bit spooky with hyper sprint until you get used to it
unique zephyr
Unless there is something better to reduce for DC
true fable
i think you are overthinking it
hardy sonnet
hey i’ve seen a lot of people talking about rama for high heat
bronze viper
You also might be playing above the heat you should be. You may want to get used to the pacts in small combos instead of jumping to 32.
hardy sonnet
was wondering essentially what all the fuss is about
hardy sonnet
or does the run just really ride that shared suffering
shy gulch
but you can absolutelu fire off power shots at high heat
watch tailesque’s runs, he’s really good at doing it
bronze viper
Rama gets the only native multiplicative scaling in the game, and is hugely flexible in terms of playstyle/builds/pacts
hardy sonnet
will do, thanks :)
shy gulch
shared suffering is pretty great yeah
hardy sonnet
shared suffering: me and my friend group
shy gulch
removes DC hearts, gives pseudo AoE, and like ledger said, is native multiplicative scaling
hardy sonnet
wait it removes dc?
hardy sonnet
like by firing the special twice?
bronze viper
The special
shy gulch
is an easy way of removing DC
bronze viper
Once
hardy sonnet
ah right
bronze viper
It's 3 ricocheting arrows
true fable
rama just does a lot of damage without boons
and has free AoE
not something many other aspects can calim
shy gulch
give it a good hammer and you basically have all the scaling you need
hardy sonnet
mmm aoe
true fable
it is also a bow, and inherently more safe than something like
for example
demeter fists
which are arguably the best fists aspect
bright mango
I will slap something the next time someone says “rama charged up too slow”
bronze viper
Though to be fair optimally you will be playing Rama up close, you definitely don't have to
bronze viper
I will slap something the next time someone says “rama charged up too slow”
Lol, you don't get to do that if I haven't yet
shy plinth
It is precise
shy gulch
it is, which is why it requires timing and experience
bronze viper
It's more than made up for by the base damage and the fact that you can attack multiple things at the same time
hardy sonnet
yeah fair
shy gulch
but it has an incredibly high ceiling
shy gulch
thanks to the features that ledger said
hardy sonnet
chiron can be speedy if u do it well
shy plinth
I have yet to find a way to make that weapon do damage that doesn't make me sweat TD3
hardy sonnet
although tbf anything can
hardy sonnet
I have yet to find a way to make that weapon do damage that doesn't make me swea...
if you get lucky to start w concentrated volley/ relentless volley hammer thosell help a LOT
bronze viper
chiron can be speedy if u do it well
Lol, eh
shy plinth
Hammer RNG is nice but does not make a weapon
Or at least shouldn't
Sorry nemesis sword, you're also guilty
hardy sonnet
rip nemesis sword
shy plinth
What a disappointing weapon
shy gulch
chiron makes me sad
hardy sonnet
poor chiron
bronze viper
Lol, Chiron can go fast but it takes... a lot of effort and experience
shy gulch
define fast.
hardy sonnet
i wonder what the bow owo wr is
shy gulch
Chiron is one of the slowest weapons in the game
hardy sonnet
to speedrun.com yahoo
shy gulch
bowo record is like
bright mango
It took me a few weeks to learn how to use rama
bright mango
It’s hard I’ll tell you that
hardy sonnet
heehee bowo i love that
bronze viper
I did TD3 RI2 AP2 at 51 and I'm pretty sure it should work at CP2 as well
shy plinth
Bow is roughly tied for second fastest
6 seconds slower than sword
And both are over a minute slower than rail
hardy sonnet
damn
bright mango
Shield is meh
shy gulch
so it gets pushed down
shy plinth
Cmon man
shy gulch
chaos can go fast
bronze viper
I don't mean fast in a speedrunner sense, but that it gets the job done lol.
hardy sonnet
fastest chiron is 8:13 igt
which is admittedly not amazing
compared to some rail runs
shy gulch
it’s the slowest wr for an aspect I think lmao
hardy sonnet
still incredible
shy gulch
Im p sure every other aspect has a sub 8
shy plinth
Hrrrm
hardy sonnet
poor chiron
light stag
Rama is genuinely easier for me than vanilla bow
hardy sonnet
i love hera bow
shy gulch
hera slaps
bright mango
@hardy sonnet take the time to learn rama. Then tell me how good it feels 🙂
bronze viper
That's because it's way easier than Zag Bow lol
light stag
The attack is AoE, the special is fast and easy to use
shy gulch
I do love me some zag bow tho
hardy sonnet
<@601412164166877187> take the time to learn rama. Then tell me how good it feel...
perhaps i shall
bright mango
Zag bow is fun
light stag
and while is charges up slowly it makes up with the high damage
shy gulch
once u get a good hammer it feels so nice
hardy sonnet
i think the bow is probably my favourite weapon
bronze viper
You have to be so annoyingly precise to play Zag Bow at high heat.
hardy sonnet
bc every aspect is fun
bronze viper
Bow gang
bright mango
Yessir
light stag
I think that actually if you charge for the same time on normal bow and Rama, Rama will do more damage
bright mango
Although hestia bestia
bright mango
I think that actually if you charge for the same time on normal bow and Rama, Ra...
Duh
Lol
hardy sonnet
hestia annoys me
bright mango
hestia annoys me
shy gulch
:(
bronze viper
It's just a bow lol
hardy sonnet
iM SORRY
bronze viper
It's a crossbow
shy gulch
that’s it
hardy sonnet
hestia the goddess slaps
hestia the bow aspect annoys me bc to get the good damage u have to reload so often
shy plinth
It's the same as charging a bow power shot
shy plinth
Except you always hit
hardy sonnet
although if i were to use it enough and get that muscle memory i’d probably shut up
bright mango
Except you always hit
^^^
shy plinth
Exactly the same as holding down bow attack button except you can dash and special during
bright mango
although if i were to use it enough and get that muscle memory i’d probably shut...
That is true
bronze viper
Yeah it's got some muscle memory for sure in the beginning, with special and dash cancels etc.
light stag
what is "native multiplicative scaling" re: Rama
hardy sonnet
i feel like most of my problems can be solved with shutting up
shy plinth
What if your problem is being too quiet
hardy sonnet
shut up
shy plinth
🙊
light stag
Can fire a shot on controller by dashing backwards or sideways?
hardy sonnet
and then start banging a drum
shy plinth
Okay good call
bright mango
Once you get a good rhythm going with hestia it just feels so good
shy plinth
what is "native multiplicative scaling" re: Rama
All of your attacks hit for 40% extra
Because of shared suffering
bright mango
60% right?
hardy sonnet
i thought it goes to 60?
bright mango
That’s still insane
bronze viper
It's also "only" 60% more on a single target
bright mango
It’s essentially a 60% damage bonus to your attack
hardy sonnet
damn if you can get a power shot that’s like 300 total without a boon
shy plinth
And yeah it applies to same target
bronze viper
If you hit x targets you get 1 + (.6 * x) multiplier
bright mango
Yup
shy plinth
And then if you get twin or triple it's *2 or *3
hardy sonnet
maff
light stag
Because it is easy to do with mouse, but I think that you can't do it while auto aiming because when you select a direction you aim in that direction
shy plinth
And then if you get artemis attack and crit, it deals approximately ☠️ %
hardy sonnet
mouse and keyboard more like not the thing i use 😤
bright mango
Twin + perfect is the best hammer combo for rama imo
bright mango
@bronze viper can i take your rama llama tag?
bronze viper
We've discussed that here yesterday @light stag lol, auto aim on controller is kind of an unfortunate necessity to aim the special, which is like needle thin, but you can overcome this with positioning
Lol, sure, you can borrow it until I beat my Chiron record with Rama again 
light stag
I;m just asking if you can fire a shot while dashing backwards or sideways
hardy sonnet
iirc no
or u can but it forest the wrong direction/ stops the dash animation/ only fires at the end
bright mango
Thanks ledger
light stag
I mean while charging, releasing the shot with the dash
bright mango
Triple+Point blank tho
I still like twin and perfect for its consistensy
bronze viper
I'm a casual, Twin + Perfect is so dank. Triple Shot gets me killed, though the ceiling is higher
bright mango
I'm a casual, Twin + Perfect is so dank. Triple Shot gets me killed, though the...
Same
light stag
You don't need to try to shotgun with tripple
bronze viper
You don't need to try to shotgun with tripple
Pfft someone doesn't believe in value
bright mango
People like tailesque will tell you to to triple and point blank but they forget they’re actually good at the game unlike us casuals
light stag
"Triple Shot gets me killed"
light stag
If you have twin shot and triple shot, can you hit 4 attacks on the same target?
bronze viper
You can't
hardy sonnet
not compatible
bronze viper
Also wut lol, if you could how would you end up with 4
bright mango
You can’t get both
hardy sonnet
stand REALLY close
light stag
I mean isn't the default way of playing bow, just dashing behind enemies firing off and then dashing to get behind them again
the whole thing about bow giving you range and safety doesn't pan out often in reality
hardy sonnet
sad
light stag
why?
hardy sonnet
bc safety is good
especially in high heat where you’ll probably go into hard labour
therefore everyone does lots of damage
therefore safety good
my logic is infallible
light stag
lifehack don't get hit
unique zephyr
You also might be playing above the heat you should be. You may want to get used...
That’s a good point. Would practicing with just EM3, MM, and FO2 be good?
And then add benefits package and then everything else?
bronze viper
Yeah that sounds fine
hardy sonnet
was insane
shy gulch
dunno, maybe the first that we know of
light stag
well he put "world first" in the YT title
shy gulch
haelian moment
spark stream
if I run out of time on the 3rd world boss battle, what could I be doing wrong?
Run with 9 mins restriction
light stag
You should take any chance for a room without encounter
avoid trials and Erebus gates
bronze viper
Eh with TD1 you should be able to do whatever you'd like. It is likely a build or play issue
light stag
Room without encounter - mid shops, Chaos when possible, story rooms (!)
bright mango
I’ve almost done a no hit run but I had divine dash in that run
light stag
Than encounters don't count toward the clock
bright mango
I got it once in asphodel
bright mango
Yeah
hardy sonnet
i can’t confirm it’s the worlds first, but it’s the first one that’s been recorded id guess
bright mango
Yeah it was pretty impressive
That was also the first haelian stream i watched
The hades fight was intense
hardy sonnet
agreed
bright mango
Dodge in real life
unique zephyr
if I run out of time on the 3rd world boss battle, what could I be doing wrong?
Make sure you don’t leave the game on when you’re afk
bright mango
That was funny
unique zephyr
You may have gone to the bathroom in the middle of your run unpaused
Remember that in game time pauses when you pause the game
unique zephyr
TD1 doesn’t affect my room choices at all
I don’t want to steal the real Dio’s name
He’s a cool dude
hardy sonnet
i’m sure you’re a cool dude
spark stream
good point
spark stream
can you guarantee you'll get divine dash in your run?
spark stream
it seems like the one ability you want to have
hardy sonnet
take athena’s keepsake, take her whenever possible
spark stream
besides a ton of attack/special improvement
unique zephyr
@spark stream what is your pact? You may have too much Jury Summons or Calisthenics Program on
hardy sonnet
almost 99.9% chance you’ll get it
spark stream
+1 heat nothing much
and I'm no longer running with the time limit
since I lost because of that once
hardy sonnet
are you pausing the timer when u make room choices?
unique zephyr
can you guarantee you'll get divine dash in your run?
Using fated persuasion and Athena’s keepsake gives you a good chance
You may not get it early though depending
Yeah pause the timer making room choices definitely. What’s your average clear time?
Without the timer I mean
bright mango
Athena dash is very pog
spark stream
35 mins+
unique zephyr
Best boon in the game
spark stream
only cleared 4 times though
hardy sonnet
that’s not awful but can definitely be improved
spark stream
with 3 weapons
unique zephyr
You can definitely speed up with better play
spark stream
okay
hardy sonnet
my first few clears were around that time
unique zephyr
Yeah same
hardy sonnet
try turning on the timer in settings for a gentle pressure
(doesn’t affect the run at all)
(just a timer)
unique zephyr
As you learn the game you’ll get faster don’t worry about high heat or TD1 until you learn the game
bright mango
My first clear was 24 min but that was eris so that was supposed to happen
hardy sonnet
speed runner in the making
unique zephyr
Like well enough to clear with each weapon except maybe your worst once
hardy sonnet
my first 32 heat clear was 1hr plus
unique zephyr
Also, you haven’t gotten much titan’s blood yet
hardy sonnet
i was using chaos shield and being EXTREMELY careful to not take damage lmao
bright mango
I was taking about my very first clear
unique zephyr
As your weapons get stronger you’ll be quicker
hardy sonnet
it worked, and i got skelly’s statue. so i’m satisfied
unique zephyr
Some weapon aspects only become good at max level
hardy sonnet
cough guan yu
unique zephyr
For the early part just do low heat for bounties to power up your weapon
Hestia sucks at level 1 too
solar maple
my first 40 heat clear was 12:43, but I had been speedrunning for a little while
hardy sonnet
best low heats: em1, damage control 1&2, underworld customs, convenience fee 1 and lasting consequences 1
none of them make big differences to the game
obviously take tight deadline if u can
bright mango
Convenience fee is bad imo for low heat
hardy sonnet
but if it’s regularly killing u maybe...don’t
solar maple
middle management is good to take at low heat as well
hardy sonnet
ig it depends how much u buy stuff
i dESPISE MIDDLE MANAGEMENT
with a burning passion
solar maple
em1/2, TD2, MM, UC are the best early ones I think
hardy sonnet
because that damn sneak room in tartarus
solar maple
not in that order
unique zephyr
BP1 is good as you approach 16 or so
hardy sonnet
tHOSE HANDS kept grabbing me and then i took so much damage from the sneak :,)
solar maple
yeah BP1 isn't bad
hardy sonnet
why did i read that as blood pressure
bright mango
tHOSE HANDS kept grabbing me and then i took so much damage from the sneak :,)
Simple solution: meg
unique zephyr
DC is okay for fists
solar maple
if you use a summon for sneak it's not bad
unique zephyr
And rail that isn’t Hestia
solar maple
speeds up the fight a ton
hardy sonnet
mmmeg
solar maple
yep
hardy sonnet
what’s y’all’s fave keepsake and companion
solar maple
lol
bright mango
Pseudo is gaming
solar maple
I almost got a sub 11, but I died to heroes on that run 😦
unique zephyr
Meg as companion, keepsakes depend on weapon and current gods in pool for first 2
shy gulch
pain
unique zephyr
I’m considering antos now because furies are hard again
shy gulch
personally my favorite keepsake is distant memory
unique zephyr
I usually use Athena keepsake in asphodel if I need dash and dont have it yet
And especially if Athena is not in god pool at all
hardy sonnet
exc god keepsakes i LIVE for mom blossom
unique zephyr
And acorn in elysium and styx
What makes FO2 furies so much harder?
Even with no hard labor
hardy sonnet
speedy speedy hard to dodgy
bronze viper
Lol, I failed like 5 different Flurry Jab Achilles runs today, at minimum, and I win the one I don't get it. K. I'm pretty sure it's because I stop respecting enemies when I have Flurry Jab.
hardy sonnet
when meg go brr, my hitpoints go 💀
hardy sonnet
lmao
hardy sonnet
imagine thinking
bronze viper
Only Talos and Zagius left
light stag
honestly BP MM and EM and the only fun ones for me because they are the only ones that add new things
bronze viper
I've never played it. Not going to do anything fancy, just normal Lightning Strike Malphon build
solar maple
back when I played casually I always did EM first because liked the new fights yeah
hardy sonnet
i love benefits package, super fun
solar maple
most of my runs had em3
hardy sonnet
I've never played it. Not going to do anything fancy, just normal Lightning Str...
if you can try and get effect boons on the special and attack
solar maple
but I was too bad for em4 haha
hardy sonnet
that means you’ll get p status really easy
shy gulch
i put EM4 on for some meme runs to have a challenge
i think its doable without any other pacts
hardy sonnet
ouch
shy gulch
on meme runs
solar maple
my meme runs are usually hard at 0 heat 😦
shy gulch
have you tried gaming better, mr god gamer
bronze viper
that means you’ll get p status really easy
This has literally never happened to anyone in the history of ever
solar maple
I need easier memes haha
bright mango
I try and keep my meme runs at 16-20 heat
solar maple
I may try to do a zeus cast beo and try to get all the stuff
and go for a really fast em4 fight
solar maple
yeah hah
shy gulch
ok nvm 0 heat being hard makes sense
bright mango
Call% was cursed
solar maple
still is
shy gulch
i just do dash% its way easier
solar maple
always will be
hardy sonnet
what’s call%? only using call?
hardy sonnet
but.. how u get damage to charge the call?
solar maple
you take damage
hardy sonnet
ouch
solar maple
and do damage with revenge boons as well
you also can't dodge because you can't dash
it's pretty rough
solar maple
I think overall my winrate on it is like 3-4%
bronze viper
it happens to me very often lol
Eh to each they're own. I universally use FF
hardy sonnet
whatever floats ya boat
solar maple
if you count all the chamber 1 resets
shy gulch
yeah i pretty much exclusively use FF now
solar maple
yeah I almost never use P status anymore
solar maple
my attack is usually arty or zeus so you need an extra boon to get the status
and mark doesn't really last
shy plinth
Family favorite is a go-to at high heat
Because tartarus is the hardest biome most of the time
solar maple
FF also the go to on speedruns
shy plinth
You need that % boost immediately
shy gulch
marked is a ridiculously unreliable way to active PS
solar maple
^^
shy gulch
probably the least reliable of them all
hardy sonnet
fair enough lol
shy plinth
And also if it's marked already you don't need 40% extra damage
Because you get 200% extra damage
hardy sonnet
between 50-90% of the time, and 240>200
solar maple
it multiplies it so it's actually more
hardy sonnet
oh nice
solar maple
but still very unreliable
hardy sonnet
well damn now i’m thinking i should turn p status off
solar maple
with no other modifiers, PS + crit is 420% damage
shy plinth
@hardy sonnet do you go out of your way to get blinding flash or razor shoals or whatever
hardy sonnet
420...nice
shy plinth
Like do you have builds where you say "gotta find this boon to get damage online"
quartz mantle
with no other modifiers, PS + crit is 420% damage
That's funny
shy plinth
Interesting
hardy sonnet
i just finds that it happens fairly often for me
shy plinth
Maybe it's just because I play a lot of athena and artemis
solar maple
my other main problem with P status is that it doesn't really help vs small enemies
bright mango
my other main problem with P status is that it doesn't really help vs small enem...
^^^
shy plinth
I used to be a PS gamer and then one day I looked at my boon screen in admin chamber and found that my top boon picks were all debuffs
solar maple
because once you have both statuses on them they are pretty much already dead
shy plinth
And thought about how many rolls I was spending
Dropped it that day and never went back
bronze viper
with no other modifiers, PS + crit is 420% damage
FF and PS are additive
hardy sonnet
brb gonna go check admin
solar maple
yes but crit is a multiplier
solar maple
yeah I run FF
quartz mantle
I'm a fan of Final Fantasy as well but I don't see how it applies to this conversation
shy gulch
lol
solar maple
I wonder what my most picked boons are on my hell mode save
probably like arty attack, snow burst, divine dash
pos cast
hardy sonnet
divine dash, greatest reflex, pressure points, greater evasion, strong drink
my top 5
solar maple
my hell mode file has apparently used athena cast more than pos cast
LMAO
big part of that is my poseidon sword attempts though
#1 boon is divine dash by far
that makes sense
solar maple
but there are also over a hundred runs from the file defaults
I'll check my main file
shy plinth
I def took support fire too much too
solar maple
since that's all me
unique zephyr
Hunter's mark is something I literally never use for privileged status lol
you can't control when it activates
if I want to use Artemis I use Family Favorite
main pelican
solar maple
hardy sonnet
ouch
unique zephyr
Divine Dash isn't number 1?
hardy sonnet
wow u have played a LOT
solar maple
that's my non-hell mode
not that much high heat on that file
I've been playing since early access
that file was made a few days after 1.0 launch
solar maple
amusing that hyper sprint has such a higher win rate than arty attack LMAO
maybe that boon is good
solar maple
help with the shade?
I can do that
let me get the pic of my 2 GY attempts since 1.0
🙂
hardy sonnet
oop
solar maple
How much Eris did you play
not all that much
and even less recently
most of my chaos/eris runs were from a while ago
dem is inflated because of ME resets
and arthur is inflated because of call% c1 resets
solar maple
why?
shy gulch
i was wondering why u had so much arthur
solar maple
lol
shy plinth
But I guess you take it on beo too
shy plinth
Okay true
shy gulch
tidal dash on beo is a bit bleh imo
shy plinth
But now sometimes you get sea storm later I dunno lol
shy gulch
u dont really go for sea storm
shy plinth
Yeah I don't love it
solar maple
you still go tidal dash
shy gulch
its nice but not necessary
solar maple
you just don't go for sea storm as often
shy plinth
Croven I am going to DM you about what you are listening to
shy gulch
lmao
bright mango
I’ve never gotten it
shy plinth
100% winrate
bright mango
Ever
shy plinth
I should look at my winter harvest pick and winrate
I assume it is something like 2 picks 2 wins
solar maple
126 runs with PP
72 with support fire
32 with exit wounds
2 with fully loaded
😦
shy plinth
These double tier 2 boon legendaries just kind of disappear when you take UC
And like the way to get the boons you need is to take trials
But taking trials at any amount of heat in elysium will just get you killed
shy plinth
How often do you survive them
solar maple
the greed
a decent amount
I mostly take them because I need a DD because no patty
and I don't see any other way to beat em4
shy plinth
Fair
bronze viper
hardy sonnet
i find most trials p chill
bronze viper
5/74, Chiron sucks
solar maple
they are less chill at very high heat
solar maple
but still worth it sometimes
hardy sonnet
heehee
solar maple
I've taken an elsyium trial at 56 heat before haha
shy plinth
hardy sonnet
:D
solar maple
very slow though
hardy sonnet
D:
solar maple
ended up timing out 😦
hardy sonnet
:0
shy plinth
What is the most punishing chaos curse
At high heat more enemies has gotta be up there
shy plinth
Though I guess there is one that just deals you more damage from everything
solar maple
dash distance is bad
shy plinth
Oh yeah sometimes the button curses are just straight up not an option
solar maple
slippery kills the beo
bronze viper
Yeah wow, Hyper Sprint has the highest win rate from my boons by a lot
shy plinth
Also don't take trap chaos in asphodel
hardy sonnet
Also don't take trap chaos in asphodel
ouchie owie lava damage
bronze viper
Except for weird outliers like Support Fire and Clouded Judgement which are like 75% lmao