h1-high-heat-strategies

[shy gulch]

regular hestia is too easy for mr esque

[daring hedge]

everyone saying hestia is so doable at 50 huh

well what about baby hestia

[shy gulch]

the small child

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah

Lili coming in with the tag

[plush scaffold]

It was a triple bolt when I got 100% on the dash and call, where did you got your it for more than 3 bolts ? (it was on your cast no?)

[solar maple]

beo cast

got 4 very consistently iirc

[plush scaffold]

Strange that it differs from dash/call, the wonders of Hades from Supergiant games

[true fable]

@daring hedge on stream?

[daring hedge]

for sure, saving baby hestia for strim

[solar maple]

I wouldn't be surprised if there are countless bugs with beo zeus cast

because it's been taken like 10 times all time

[gaunt fiber]

What is better, baby hestia or baby Guan Yu

[shy gulch]

i wonder

[daring hedge]

baby hestia is still a rail astaos

baby GY is a death sentence

[gaunt fiber]

:(

[shy gulch]

gottem

[gaunt fiber]

"Guan Yu is probably the worst weapon in the entire game. Like, I'm certain it can be scientifically proven."

[true fable]

baby Guan Yu is a death sentence

[gaunt fiber]

"It's basic attack sucks, the heal is pathetic, and the life reduction is overkill."

[true fable]

ftfy tailesque

i see you made a typo

[daring hedge]

thanks yeah i missed that

[gaunt fiber]

You no nice

[true fable]

D:

what did i say astaos

[gaunt fiber]

this

I was waiting for it though

[true fable]

i was being helpful

mr tailesque is sometimes forgetful

makes typing errors

[gaunt fiber]

lies

[bright mango]

Wtf why is the meg fight so hard

[gaunt fiber]

because she hits hard and has some questionnable hitboxes

[bright mango]

I’m going 40 sword and have died to the furies every single time

Its so frustrating

I had a perfect DR setup this run

[daring hedge]

high heat sword vs alecto in particular is hard imo

[solar maple]

according to my game records, on my main file I've gotten fully loaded twice

that boon is a myth

[bright mango]

Yeah Alecto and megeara suck

[solar maple]

doesn't exist

[bright mango]

Tis is great

[daring hedge]

love to see high heat tis

[true fable]

i got fully loaded in asphodel one 32 heat mirrorless beo attempt

died the next chamber to some dracons

classic

[daring hedge]

LOL

[gaunt fiber]

dracons :)

[daring hedge]

i'm sure i've said it before several times but

BP2 dracons scary

[gaunt fiber]

I would not say scary

I'd say terrifying

[daring hedge]

fair

[gaunt fiber]

But is there a better feeling than spinning before they spawn

AND

CRUSH

THEM

[daring hedge]

i'm the fool always running RI2 so if they're slugger i am just straight up not allowed to get hit more than twice

or sometimes more than once

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I know that

[daring hedge]

LOL ok yeah fair mr GY main

[gaunt fiber]

Asphodel tough

If I don't exit Tartarus with enough health/spin hammer

it's like one mistake per room

enough health is like 35 hp

which is a decent amount

[bright mango]

35 health lul

[wanton plover]

kinda funny how the heat record for sword uses zag sword

[bright mango]

I guess ME

My main megeara problem is her circles

I can literally never outrun them

[gaunt fiber]

Favorite aspect of Retrash and he's a very good player

Although Nemesis on seeded is higher

[solemn pulsar]

dont forget 59 heat

[daring hedge]

lol

or 63

smile

[gaunt fiber]

59?

[solemn pulsar]

smile

[bright mango]

Wow meg 3 times in a row

[gaunt fiber]

good for practice

[bronze viper]

I'm personally terrified to get RNG blessed in Tartarus because I know this is how the game will punish me for confidence.

[true fable]

62 heat fist people too

miss vg

where is that guy

only person to ever best retrash on zag sword

heroic life aff was the key

[daring hedge]

And ended the run with like 140 health anyway smh

[true fable]

my king fought through all the bad luck and won

think the run was seeded for hoarding slash though

[daring hedge]

Just a little random bug related to gold or something

[bright mango]

4 times in a row

Wow

[daring hedge]

Otherwise pure gamer prowess

[true fable]

well he actually showed me a video

https://youtu.be/d1YBv2mWll0

its right here

[gaunt fiber]

"jebaited song"

[wanton plover]

🧐

[true fable]

hey look

doesnt look like hades to me

but i trust him

hes new to the game but not the genre

[solar maple]

very high apm

[true fable]

apparently hes off farming bitcoins

last i checked

i

dont know what to do

for 50 heat spear

my intuition says

just cry

but that doesnt seem productive

has anyone else done it

or is it still just tail

[bronze viper]

No mortals yet, no. I have it on my speculative 50 list though

[solar maple]

my process for making 50 heat pacts is: make the pact RI0 AP1, realize I can't beat em4, cry

[shy gulch]

hadesprof has :^)

also I’m p sure haelian has

[solar maple]

then I put on RI2 and die in tart

[shy gulch]

I recall seeing him get like 3 extra DDs or something stupid

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/814262636014993499/unknown.png actually managed to barrel-roll someone on time

sorry Tailesque

[shy gulch]

lightning strike charged shot 😩

[north dove]

ikr

[rain sedge]

I wanna say

Yet another retrash victory screen

But this time

It's TD3

[north dove]

zag shield is pretty quick

even with lightning strike

[rain sedge]

If someone can make sense of this feel free to @ me

Cus I can't

[wanton plover]

congrats retrash

[bright mango]

Rip lernie had like 5 health left

I don’t care I’m seeding double edge

I am not beating 40 sword without it

[north dove]

😦

[shy gulch]

wait TD3 no way

[bronze viper]

okie doke, strimming 50something Zag Bow. Idk I haven't played the aspect at 46+ idk what the timer is going to be like. On TD2 for now

[bright mango]

How tf did you do em4 +td3 with everything else

How

Just how

With zag shield

What

[north dove]

zag shield good

way better than zeus shield

[bright mango]

Baj is going to sniff you out

[sullen minnow]

Printing and framing this

[true fable]

retrash

which spear did you do 50+ on

[north dove]

all of them except hades

[true fable]

o

aight then

have a nice day

also yeah zag shield has beo levels of base damage

literally

they have the same attack/dash strike damage

zag is faster but cant cast

obvi

[shy gulch]

have a nice day LOL

[north dove]

are you having issues with 50 heat spear?

just get flurry jab, it's easy

[shy gulch]

:^)

how did u do 50+ guan yu

that cant even get flurry

[rain sedge]

mr speedrunner haelian is streaking 32 heat

interesting interesting

[north dove]

charged skewer is the flurry jab of GY

[shy gulch]

yeah fair enough

[gaunt fiber]

hm

[rain sedge]

I'm gonna strim some high heat eris attempts for a bit

backseating welcomed, I wanna hear what I did wrong

[bronze viper]

lmao, and sometimes Shackle AP2 be like "Here's 2x first boon Curse of Agony, you're welcome"

[north dove]

embrace the coin purse meta

get that stinky shackle out of here

[true fable]

im not having issues with spear

because i havent tried it yet

stuck on zeus shield

coin purse start is so sexy

leaving tart with 7 boons on 50 heat 😍

[gaunt fiber]

yeah maybe with like EM4

[unique zephyr]

Beat EM3 Theseus and Asterius at Forced Overtime 2 without losing a stubborn defiance or my skelly's tooth! I'm learning 🙂

hope me talking about learning FO2 is okay

FO2 is hard but manageable so far, going to see about Dad

[north dove]

yeah don't worry, we're all about learning here

[shy plinth]

Oh we only talk about learning fo1 here, you'll have to go to the fo2 channel otherwise

Lol don't worry so much man

[shy gulch]

nah sorry u cant talk about FO2 here, we only allow talkign about learning FO3

[unique zephyr]

Beat dad with FO2

yay!

[bronze viper]

lol. the game has a sense of humor. 4 savior greatshields spawned in a tight corner of a room as Zag bow.

(I died)

[unique zephyr]

Thanks, I have anxiety and sometimes I forget or don't realize that, I like everyone here 🙂

I like learning the game a lot so far

my feelings may change once I get above 32 but I'm liking pushing the game so far and experimenting with pact conditions

[shy plinth]

Grats!

Yeah man this is a place where people wanna talk about hades

So if you're talking about hades you are in the right place

And if you're not you're probably fine anyway just dodge the mods

<_<

[unique zephyr]

I will say that ranged weapons seem easier so far at higher heats

just because you can avoid damage easier

funny I loved fists at 16 heat

now I'm a bit scared to even try them lmao

at least damage control is free on most fist aspects

(not experienced with Gilgamesh but it seems slower overall)

[shy gulch]

yeah ranged weapons are considered better for high heat, disregarding shields

[shy plinth]

A lot of the best weapons are ranged weapons that play well in melee range

Rama, Eris

[unique zephyr]

One thing I need to work on is timing my megs

it feels different in FO2

and is the melee range thing because enemies get up close and personal a lot with faster speed and such?

or with jury summons, more of them

[bright mango]

I feel guilty about seeding nemesis double edge but i know i can’t win without it 😦

I don’t want to highroll

[wanton plover]

yea i seeded d edge for my zag sword runs

[halcyon flame]

how do i build flood flare?

i know sea storm won't work

[shy plinth]

Artemis attack mirage shot

[halcyon flame]

i'm guessing mirage shot is basically the only duo i go for

[shy plinth]

You can get more if you find them but mirage shot is core

Like "take god's legacy" core

[halcyon flame]

i feel like just one duo doesn't warrant legacy

[unique zephyr]

It's really hard to have the spin hit for guan yu at FO2

[shy plinth]

30% increase to your base damage on every cast seems worth

[unique zephyr]

then again I'm not great at guan yu spin in general

[gaunt fiber]

Well

It's tough

[unique zephyr]

Yeah, one thing is I feel I have to cancel my spin charge to dodge before I finish up

when do you get the chance to use spin to heal?

the special is awesome though

guan yu is the only spear aspect I actually like

[bright mango]

Well never mind it’s not seeded anymore

[gaunt fiber]

Thought you've watched me a bit

But

[bright mango]

I forgot to give up

[gaunt fiber]

You spin between waves mostly

[bright mango]

When i died

I’m so dumb

[gaunt fiber]

Or against slowish enemies/where only one is remaining

[unique zephyr]

I mostly saw it in tartarus

i'm in asphodel now

[gaunt fiber]

Sometimes you can bait an enemy

[unique zephyr]

wave makers are so fast

[gaunt fiber]

OOF

So

Spinning in asphodel is no

except for waves spawning

[unique zephyr]

what about elysium

and styx

is tartarus the safest

i know styx doesn't even have spawn indications

[gaunt fiber]

Each biome has its foes for which it's hard to spin I'd say

Tartarus is the easiest

In Ely you have to bait enemies attack to be able to spin

In styx you use the terrain

[unique zephyr]

how do I use the terrain? can the spin go through walls and stuff?

[gaunt fiber]

through pits mostly

You use walls for bounces too

it's really useful

[edgy arrow]

i knew what was coming but watching this still inflicted a grievous wound upon my soul

lmao i do this constantly

it’s a serious problem

i really need to stop

i feel like every second run i’m doing something unwise with a chaos curse

[true fable]

you literally

like

you got mirage

[solar maple]

slippery is pretty much the only curse I never take

I'll take 1 max hp, damage from attacks, -dash speed, even more foes sometimes

but unless I have a really good attack boon/dash, slippery is a no

[bronze viper]

which one slippery?

[solar maple]

can't pick up casts

makes bosses take 2-3x as long

and long rooms are miserable

[bronze viper]

oh right, everyone here plays beo

[solar maple]

ye

though I am playing poseidon sword right now

[bronze viper]

i was about to say, Slippery on my usual runs like like "thanks for the freebie, Chaos"

[solar maple]

I guess that's another point for infernal on for non cast weapons

an extra easy chaos curse

[shy gulch]

hm i never considered that

i guess thats fair

[bronze viper]

subsequent hot take: I think Zag bow is the bad zag bow past 50. This is really hard. It's very hard to get the damage, you have so few good hammers

Tbf I haven't died to timer yet, I've died from dashing into traps but that's about right

[shy gulch]

is it harder to get damage than chiron?

[bronze viper]

DC0 Chiron only has Sniper Shot as a miss, it gets damage from every other hammer

So yeah sometimes you play like a bad Zag aspect but at least you have the option to have a free long distance follow up

Zag bow does nothing with the 4 Special hammers (though Charged Volley is alright for shotgunning, especially with Shackle, and Piercing is better than nothing I guess), and Sniper Shot.

Also with Shackle, if you pick up a terrible boon on your Attack/Special, at least on Chiron you have the other one to do damage until you can sell it. If I get a bad attack boon on Zag I just lost a minute from my clock

[rain sedge]

imagine getting asterius instead of butterfly ball on elysium and getting charged straight to the house

[edgy arrow]

yeah i gotta say i don’t really take slippery anymore either

been burned too many times by that one

i actually forgot i took it on my 50

[shy gulch]

i never take slippery on things like beo or hera

its awful

[edgy arrow]

i do damage on attack or cast pretty often tho

[solar maple]

I would only really take it from a c1 chaos

[edgy arrow]

i’m trying to stop doing that in elysium haha

[solar maple]

and even then

aaaa

[edgy arrow]

i’d prolly time out in tartarus if i took slippery chamber 1

unless i got charged shot or something maybe

i’ve more or less learned my lesson, but it took a few failed runs lol

[solar maple]

you can do it with shackle start

risky

but it's 54 heat so you can take some risks haha

[edgy arrow]

that’s the other thing yeah; in tartarus it’s like, what have i really got to loose?

[gaunt fiber]

life

[edgy arrow]

life is cheap

i’m prolly dying to furies anyway, why not have some fun

[gaunt fiber]

haha dying to furies

:)

:(

[rain sedge]

why do we even play this game 😦

only to suffer

[bronze viper]

bragging rights

memes

[gaunt fiber]

for that brief moment of joy when you achieve something

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/814296395061395536/Screen_Shot_2021-02-24_at_4.42.53_PM.png stay safe

100% heal SDs 🙂

[rain sedge]

what bragging rights 😦

[gaunt fiber]

like Eris wr

[rain sedge]

it's Eris wr

[edgy arrow]

i managed to get to 110% healing with SDs once

[gaunt fiber]

Here we go again

Your aspect does not even stagger

[edgy arrow]

Schad literally everyone agrees eris stops being absurd over 50

[gaunt fiber]

^

[shy gulch]

yeah i dont think anyone disagrees w that, and some (like me) would say it stops being absurd much earlier

[bronze viper]

hoo boy about to go to Elysium without an Acorn with Shackle Charged Volley as my primary damage source.

[gaunt fiber]

when does GY stop being absurd

[shy gulch]

0 heat

[gaunt fiber]

I see

[edgy arrow]

i did that with beo yesterday

good luck

[bronze viper]

beat me to it

[solar maple]

another promising 45 heat poseidon, another 4 sack

pretty much a free dad fight if I could just leave styx

[sand drum]

😔

[sullen minnow]

Hey someone, give me a history lesson if you please. I’ve heard tell that Arty Zag rail used to be an extremely meta build before spread fire got nerfed to hell. What was so different about it?

[shy gulch]

i think it was just higher base damage?

[solar maple]

nevermind it was a 5 sack

to ruin any hope

[shy gulch]

i mean spread fire zag rail is still a top tier build

its just tht nobody wants to reset for spread fire LUL

[solar maple]

I think I could have still won with a 4 sack

[edgy arrow]

yeah spread fire still good

[rain sedge]

pp l

[solar maple]

6 seconds left leafing the fountain room of the 5 sack

joy

[shy gulch]

:)

[edgy arrow]

i don’t really remember the nerf that well

[shy gulch]

it used to be 50 base damage right

[edgy arrow]

honesty it was probably just the shift away from seeded runs at 1.0 that reduced spread fire’s prominence in the meta

[shy gulch]

oh yeah seeded runs were more of a thing

nobody likes resetting for spread fire because it is pain

[solar maple]

yeah spread fire is pretty good still tbh

you just need it c1

[shy gulch]

but if u get it, its still really good

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber it was "frivolous"

[gaunt fiber]

Oh I see

[solemn pulsar]

@rain sedge I confirmed the AP boon selector issue and reported it to Ello

[gaunt fiber]

Frivolous Guan Yu Player

[solar maple]

don't you just love dying with an acorn charge

[rain sedge]

thank you ❤️

[rain sedge]

how o.O

[edgy arrow]

timer

[solar maple]

5 sack

[edgy arrow]

^

[rain sedge]

pplaugh

[solar maple]

4 sack would have been ez

[gaunt fiber]

For me it would have been lava

[edgy arrow]

for me it would have been a chaos curse

[solar maple]

chaos curse can't kill you

timer/lava can

[edgy arrow]

true

but i would have tried

[solar maple]

I did get the first phase down entirely in overtime

but the whole fight is unrealistic

I'm just going to count that as a win and move on from poseidon tbh

good enough

[wanton plover]

poseidon sword?

[bronze viper]

oof, Hell Mode is really browning my biscuits right about now. CP1 is trash and I hate that I have to take it lol. Why can't PL just be in normal mode ;_;

[solar maple]

yeah was doing 45 heat poseidon sword

[edgy arrow]

what cast were you running for pos, pseudo?

i usually use true shot, but apparently that’s not really meta

[solemn pulsar]

ive been grinding poseidon this week for HC practice

i hate every single cast in one way or another

[shy gulch]

LOL

[wanton plover]

lmao

[solemn pulsar]

i've been enjoying true shot though

[solar maple]

I was doing athena cast

[solemn pulsar]

athena is fine, i dont like how slow it is

good for high heat though, esp bc it opens DDs

i also lose it if i miss

[edgy arrow]

yeah i’ve heard athena is decent

[solar maple]

I've already gotten 2 runs into styx with a good enough build to crush dad, but both were 4+sacked

[edgy arrow]

might give that a try

[wanton plover]

i just wish i could predict how zeus cast behaves

[edgy arrow]

i like poseidon sword for some reason

[sullen minnow]

I rather like posiedon

[wanton plover]

what makes it lodge vs bounce

[sullen minnow]

His AOE is very helpful as a get off me

[solar maple]

the duo with zeus

[sullen minnow]

For his cast

[solar maple]

athena cast is very good for bosses

[sullen minnow]

Why for bosses specifically?

[solar maple]

so if you are bad at dodging like me you can just burst them down while blocking projectiles

it does tons of damage

[wanton plover]

big dmg

[sullen minnow]

Ah

[wanton plover]

almost as much as aph

[edgy arrow]

i’m definitely bad at dodging

i do most of my practice with a shield lol

[solar maple]

the only hard boss is lernie tbh

[shy gulch]

phalanx shot has the best damage / pom scaling of the casts except for trippy shot, i believe

[solar maple]

and that's because I'm too greedy for a defensive keepsake in aspho

[edgy arrow]

if you have lightning phalanx can’t you hit every head at once?

that doesn’t sound bad

[solar maple]

pom scaling on phalanx is insane

[sullen minnow]

Yeah I always think of Athena as being second fiddle to aphro for her damage but then I remind myself sometimes it’s a good idea not to play at point blank 😅

[wanton plover]

first pom is like +50

[solar maple]

yeah if you have LP it's fine

[edgy arrow]

crush shot

[solar maple]

even without it it isn't too bad

[shy gulch]

im pretty sure phalanx poms better than crush? dont quote me on that tho im not 100% sure

[edgy arrow]

oh you could be right idk

base damage is higher tho

[solar maple]

common crush is more than common phalanx

[edgy arrow]

for crush

[solar maple]

but epic phalanx is more

[edgy arrow]

yeah

[solar maple]

than epic crush

[shy gulch]

weird

[edgy arrow]

oh that’s interesting

didn’t know that

[sullen minnow]

Oh wow

Neither did I

[shy gulch]

crush shot scales p badly with rarity i knew that

[solemn pulsar]

I like true shot for decent damage and half of mirage

[shy gulch]

but i didnt know phalanx scaled that well

[sullen minnow]

Athena cast new meta for talos???

Lol

[edgy arrow]

it’s also easy access to exit wounds and fully loaded

[shy gulch]

lol cgull latt was talking about true shot hera for that reason

[solar maple]

aphro is 90/100/110, athena is 85/102/119

[edgy arrow]

true shot good

[solemn pulsar]

Whoa true shot Hera nonono

[sullen minnow]

Still damn

[solar maple]

and I think athena has better pom scaling

not 100% sure though

[sullen minnow]

Damage is damage

[edgy arrow]

why true shot hera

that sounds worse than crush shot hera

[sullen minnow]

And athenas slow acceleration doesn’t matter at 0 range

[edgy arrow]

oh for the duo and stuff

i guess

[wanton plover]

i despise how lernie goes invuln after eating 2-3 casts

pls give it back

[edgy arrow]

try beowulf

problem solved

[wanton plover]

4head

[edgy arrow]

actually i wish you could knock your casts out of him with poseidon’s special when he’s invulnerable

doesn’t have to do damage, just lemme have my casts back

[solar maple]

yeah you have to be careful to not let lernie steal your casts by doing a special at the last second

[edgy arrow]

it’s easier with exit wounds

just half kill him then special

[solar maple]

I'm back to failing at 50 heat rama now

[edgy arrow]

i can tell you’re a better player than me because i only fail at 45 heat rama

failing at 50 is for pro gamers

[rain sedge]

I only fail at 40 rama

[shy gulch]

i simply fail

[bright mango]

Wtf i an so tilted

I hate lernie

So much

[solar maple]

pretty appropriate

[bronze viper]

okie doke, that's enough for now. my salt is palpating

[solar maple]

I have defeated lernie

[bright mango]

I got 5 blue heads

[solar maple]

that's what I consider a good 50 heat rama run tbh

[bronze viper]

5 pink no divine dash is my new favorite combo

[rain sedge]

is pseudo strimming

[solar maple]

lost tooth to the real asphodel miniboss (speeder drakons)

no I don't strimm

[rain sedge]

I lost tooth to spearmen today

🙂

[solar maple]

dead in a random elysium room

how do you people play with RI

100 hp is not enough

health good

[edgy arrow]

they’re scared of EM4 because they’re cowards they don’t have shields

[bright mango]

Astaos trying to do guan yu with RI2👀

[solar maple]

like a speeder strong archer shoots you twice and you die

imagine being a twig

[halcyon flame]

just block it??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????////

[solar maple]

bow block bow block

[bright mango]

wHaT

YoU cAn BLocK???

[edgy arrow]

i’m not gonna lie i’ve tried to block with rama before

i tuned out and thought the wide shot charge was a bull rush

[sand drum]

IVE DONE THE SAME THING

[edgy arrow]

oh i’m so glad i’m not the only one

[bright mango]

I just need to get good at this game

I threw a good mirage shot run with poseidon sword

[sand drum]

and then i died to tis because i hate rama

[edgy arrow]

rama pretty hard honestly

[solar maple]

yeah I had pretty much the best build you can ask for with RI2

[halcyon flame]

rama is hard to use

[solar maple]

divine dash and twin shot

[halcyon flame]

but still ridiculously strong

[solar maple]

that's it

RI1 gaming time

[bright mango]

Lernie oh lernie
Blue heads doing the slammy thing
Great I am now dead

[edgy arrow]

lmao

i was gonna say you misspelled “now” and then you edited it before my eyes

[bright mango]

Lol

I’m tilted

[edgy arrow]

and then misspelled “misspelled” which is beautifully meta

[bright mango]

I hate lernie so much

Is it okay if i rage this much

[halcyon flame]

lernie head slams are so annoying

[bright mango]

I’m gonna keep doing it

[halcyon flame]

deals large damage
large aoe
I-FRAMES??

[edgy arrow]

lernie’s actually pretty chill if you get no blue heads

it’s just all down to how many blue heads you get

[bright mango]

Yeah

Also i need to get good at the game

[solar maple]

just dashed into an arrow

wow I'm bad

[unique zephyr]

I absentmindedly lost my skelly's tooth because I thought I had an SD left to do healing, died to EM3 Theseus after lol

I'm not used to having skelly's tooth but the normal enemies in Elysium with BP2 and FO2 are threatening enough now that it's better than acorn

[unique zephyr]

I still haven't figured this out, what are the different head colors and what head colors correspond to what?

[solar maple]

all the mini heads have the lunge-bite attack, then one special attack depending on their color

white/blue is the one with the grounds slam

the purples send out a wave of projectiles

the orange ones spew lava onto the ground

the green ones spawn the eggs that make adds

and the yellow (?) ones shoot out the needle projectiles like drakons have

the main head is similar, but always has the slam attack as well. Blue main head slams a bunch in a row

[sand drum]

wow til

[pseudo girder]

i can barely tell the difference between them because most of the time i slap chop them into oblivion

🙃

[solar maple]

mostly I just avoid the blue ones when looking for a place to dash to when dodging

[pseudo girder]

or they slap chop me with the help of Fair And Balanced Asphodel Lava Chip Damage

[solar maple]

it's also good to know the purples to know where to expect an attack from across the screen to come from

[sullen minnow]

I help myself remember by reminding myself that the heads that come out of the lava are the ones that I need to hit until they die

[solar maple]

also as a meme I just tried to do a 53 heat barrel roll with nem sword and managed to make it to elysium

somehow

[pseudo girder]

Dang

[sullen minnow]

Waawaaweewaa

I don’t think I made it out of asphodel for an eternity trying to do nem at 32

[pseudo girder]

What's the build you're trying to go for?

[solar maple]

yeah I got crazy lucky in tart

I was going shackle start

I got double edge -> athena special

absurd

[pseudo girder]

double edge athena special nem

no wonder you got to elysium

[solar maple]

sadly a hard elysium room killed me

they can do that sometimes

JS3 BP2 FO2 elysium rooms are no joke

[pseudo girder]

elysium is a real run killer at high heat

either you get touch of styx dark

or you get sent to Brazil

[solar maple]

going to try some more runs with athena keepsake

[pseudo girder]

Good luck

In the meantime, I'm gonna start theorycrafting the Ideal Beowulf Run for 32 heat

[solar maple]

this time I got dash nova. Not quite as blessed lmao

for what heat?

ah 32

[pseudo girder]

Yeah

I'm on a mission to get every weapon at 32 heat

[solar maple]

what do you mean ideal? most damage? easiest clear? fastest?

[pseudo girder]

Just... Ideal.

I'm not aiming for anything

I just want to beat the run

[solar maple]

I now have dash nova

and motion sickness

[pseudo girder]

mood

[vital grove]

For Beo 32, just don't take CF or AP

And RI of course, never that

Leaves you with HL1, LC4, EM3, BP2, MM, FO2, TD3, UC

If you're good avoiding traps you can take HS for that HL1

I guess if FO2 isn't your speed you can do CF2 and HL5 or something

[pseudo girder]

Beo clears rooms rather nicely, so Jury Summons shouldn't be a problem, I'd think

Especially with Pos Flare

Which, IIRC, is the best one to use for Beo

I'll experiment with that tomorrow

[shy plinth]

The meta picks are flood and trippy

[pseudo girder]

Hmmm

So would Scint Feast work well on Beo, then?

[shy plinth]

Yes

[pseudo girder]

It'd certainly work out better than Sea Storm, at least

I'll keep that in mind.

[shy plinth]

Though it's kind of the dream to end up with non-mirage shot duos

And if you go trippy flare you still want mirage shot so your rolls are under a lot of pressure

[pseudo girder]

True

So no matter what I'd have to try and find both Poseidon and Artemis anyways

Since they make or break any and all Cast runs

[shy plinth]

Yep

Specifically beo

But obv mirage shot is nice on all cast runs

[pseudo girder]

I'll... Probably just go for Pos Flare, then.

I'd rather rely on two gods than three if I can.

[shy plinth]

The main reasons to go dio are the crowd control from the flare and being able to go stygian

On poseidon you have to go infernal and there's a lot more micro

It's close

[pseudo girder]

Yeah, it's really a matter of whether you prefer Infernal or Stygian from the looks of things

I much prefer Infernal tbh. The minor inconvenience of picking up bloodstones is not much.

You get more damage on top of that too

[shy plinth]

It's not really minor when your main source of damage is floating in the middle of a bunch of enemies

And the point of stygian is to get an extra cast stone from chaos

Or fully loaded if you highroll

[pseudo girder]

Achilles will be very interesting, though, namely because with that aspect I'll have to rely on three Gods no matter what: Zeus, Poseidon and Artemis.

[shy plinth]

A single extra cast stone will push stygian higher usually

Why

[pseudo girder]

Zeus Cast

Raging Rush allows for faster pickup

[shy plinth]

Is that cast specifically a thing with achilles...?

Like it doesn't seem like you need to lean into it that hard

[pseudo girder]

In my experience, yeah.

Like, undoubtedly it's great on its own merits

But the ability to pick up bloodstones from halfway across the room is too good to pass up

[shy plinth]

Feels like I'd rather give a giant % damage increase to a cast with more damage

Doesn't zeus fall off pretty hard in terms of boss damage

[pseudo girder]

Not with Raging Rush

Since that boosts Cast damage while also allowing you to pick up Zeus Casts

[shy plinth]

Yeah, but zeus has a low base damage

I'll trust you but I don't think you need to rely that hard on zeus cast

[pseudo girder]

I don't

[shy plinth]

Feels like achilles could easily work with something else

[pseudo girder]

Theoretically I could just as easily do Zeus Attack

In fact, I'll probably wind up doing that anyways once I sit down and start planning out the Achilles run when I get to it.

...I just... Really don't like using the spears.

[vital grove]

I love spears when I get charged and explosive

I hate spears when I don't

For Zeus cast, it really shines with support boons

If you can get a good double strike and jolt going with it and manage to find splitting bolt, it's going to wreck.

[pseudo girder]

Oh, undoubtedly it would

Because that's literally the end condition for all Zeus runs

You need those Tier 2s.

At least Jolted

[vital grove]

If you pom up double strike it just doubles your damage

And in that case the best build is Zeus attack with Zeus cast and Zeus call

[pseudo girder]

Arti Special and Pos Dash for Mirage Shot, then?

[vital grove]

Could also go Aphrodite Special

[pseudo girder]

True, that's also viable.

[vital grove]

Smoldering and Billowing is bonkers

And divine Dash to round it up

[pseudo girder]

When I first got Smoldering I was stunned at how fast the GG charged

And it wasn't even in a serious run, I just happened to get it once.

But thank you very much for your input on Spear

[vital grove]

Hunting Blades is another good route for Achilles

But you need that duo

[pseudo girder]

Yeeeaaaahhh... Duos are great, but the less I have to rely on, the better overall

[vital grove]

You have a pretty fair chance of getting HB though, just run Legacy

[pseudo girder]

Obviously

[vital grove]

It also plays well with flurry + deadly strike or Merciful End if you go for Athena

[pseudo girder]

Seriously can't name a reason not to run GL, unless you really want to go for those purple boons

[vital grove]

Epic boons are a lot stronger and more valuable without the caveat of 'maybe' finding a low % duo

The difference between common and epic is huge

[pseudo girder]

Oh, no doubt.

[vital grove]

It also makes Yarn of Ariadne very powerful since you can almost guarantee a duo or legendary off it, i believe

Since it straight up upgrades a boon, but can't upgrade to heroic

[bright mango]

Yarn increases your duo/leg chance by 10%

[vital grove]

Legacy - > exclusive access

Hades hacked

[bright mango]

Yeah with legacy, yarn, god keepsake of the duo/leg the chance is 30% iirc

C gull said that each rarity up thing increases it by 10%

[daring hedge]

time for the last 50+ aspect strim

baby hestia time

[vital grove]

Baby hestia? You don't mean Zag bow do you

[daring hedge]

imagine a hestia, but

no titan blood

[bright mango]

I’m going to sleep

[vital grove]

Wait so Zag rail?

[bright mango]

Sorry i won’t be able to hop on the stream

Good luck!!

[daring hedge]

no prob pengy

thanks!

[daring hedge]

worse because no extra ammo :(

[vital grove]

Are you doing some file where there's a base level hestia

What are you resetting for

[unique zephyr]

Some weapons just want a purple attack or special and don’t need a duo

Like Hestia from what I can tell

Guan Yu seems to focus well with just purple special but idk much about guan yu

What duos would Hestia and guan yu even want? Genuinely curious

[unique zephyr]

Hell mode file probably?

I’ve seen tails higher heat runs use hell mode now

Baby Hestia is sad though

Cant imagine not using non maxed Hestia

So who else besides asatos likes guan yu? It’s surprisingly the spear aspect I have the most fun with, what are good pacts for 32

And any guan yu pointers particularly non obvious ones

I use Aphrodite on special

I know Artemis works too, the weak right now helps with practice though (since I am doing FO2)

[shy plinth]

@lusty mirage

We did an episode about it on my show

[edgy arrow]

i like GY a lot

i'm bad with it, but its very fun imo

i'm probably not qualified to give pointers tho

lemme check what i ran for 32

okay here we go

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/814362403754999868/Guan_Yu_32.png

i ran AP1, but it meant i could go no FO no HL

[north dove]

the 53 heat zag shield vid is up on the spreadsheet for those who were interested

[edgy arrow]

the only potential snag here is the JS3 plus TD3

GY can definitely clear it, but its probably the hardest part of the pact

oh neat

[unique zephyr]

I’m learning FO2 so I don’t have to take worse pacts till higher than 32

Does guan yu handle FO2 worse than most weapons or is it fine? I’m adapting to FO2 decently well

Also I love Rama but suck at it

[edgy arrow]

FO2 means more hits, hits are more dangerous on GY

[unique zephyr]

I know there are many great Rama players here

So I’d like pointers on Rama

Ah ok makes sense

[edgy arrow]

i only ran FO1 for 40 on GY

[unique zephyr]

Does switching between different forced overtime require you time to adjust or not really

[edgy arrow]

some people say it does

it can certainly mess you up a little once in a while, but in my experience the effect isn't huge

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok, so when is forced overtime good vs bad? I’m still trying to learn what pacts to use when

The pin does help a lot

FO gives a lot of heat at least

[edgy arrow]

arthur is the main other weapon that FO really hurts

[unique zephyr]

I can see Arthur not liking FO at all

[edgy arrow]

i think i turned it off for a couple of my other 32s as well, when i was having difficulty

[shy plinth]

This seems relevant for this channel - beowulf episode with tyler is up now 🙂

[unique zephyr]

Any Rama pointers?

[dire steppe]

fo2 arthur is fine if you have a good build (Drunken strike)

[unique zephyr]

I’d love to learn

Oh yay, where can I see beo tutorial

Or episode I guess

[edgy arrow]

if you're having a lot of trouble with a weapon, trying to build a FO1/0 pact might help

[shy plinth]

@unique zephyr #self-promotion

[edgy arrow]

or it might not, but its worth checking

[unique zephyr]

Well right now I’m just learning to get good lol

I actually cleared a run with FO2 surprisingly, lower than 32 though, it was just practice

[bronze viper]

I can't tell anymore what level of meme people are operating on with Drunken strike Excalibur

[edgy arrow]

lmao

[unique zephyr]

Clearly it’s to get rid of damage control 😛

[shy plinth]

...drunken strike arthur?

https://tenor.com/3xVE.gif

[unique zephyr]

AP must have screwed them hard

[edgy arrow]

nah its just a meme

its basically a challenge build at this point

people do it occasionally

[unique zephyr]

Lol, is it more painful than Arthur with damage control

Like non meme Arthur with damage control and FO on

But yeah I’d love to learn Rama

[edgy arrow]

i feel like i'd rather have the damage control honestly

FO2 arthur is doable, just hard

[unique zephyr]

And I know there are many good Rama players

So some pointers would be good, Rama is fun

I’m practicing aspects I find fun right now

[bronze viper]

We had an Arthur main that swore up and down around DC2 Arthur and TD0 at high heat.

He sure did have some ideas, that guy

[unique zephyr]

So far I found Hestia, Guan Yu, and Rama as fun aspects

That i want to get getter at

[edgy arrow]

tbf he did do like 45 heat arthur or something

which is no joke

[unique zephyr]

I don’t know what my main would be yet if I do ever get one

My favourite weapon is so different from when I first started the game

And my views of easy vs hard heat

[bronze viper]

I really liked bows when I started. Haven't gone far from that point lol

[edgy arrow]

have you considered... beowulf?

i used to main fists actually

[unique zephyr]

I have done low heat beo, it was fun, I have thought about beo actually

[bronze viper]

In my defense all of the non-Hera bows were unbelievably bad in EA

[edgy arrow]

then i wanted to push heat and was too bad to use anything but chaos shield

[unique zephyr]

I don’t know pacts for beo

[edgy arrow]

long story short now i'm a shield main

[unique zephyr]

Or like anything

[bronze viper]

So it was way more of a passion project than try-harding

[unique zephyr]

So far it’s based on how satisfying they feel

Also sound effects

Call me shallow but I love Rama sounds and Hestia reload sounds

[edgy arrow]

that's pretty valid honestly

[unique zephyr]

Also guan yu with charged skewer is satisfying

[bronze viper]

But now that all the bows got buffed my past passion projects are being rewarded with try hard points lol

[unique zephyr]

Or just throwing the special in general

[edgy arrow]

pushing heat can get grindy, so using a weapon that just feels good to you is pretty key

more important than the weapon actually being good imo

i mean, Retrash does zag sword at 50+

[unique zephyr]

I mean if I hate the weapon I don’t have the motivation to git good

[edgy arrow]

yeah pretty much

[bronze viper]

I have anti-motivation in those cases. I get determined to meme the aspect as hard as possible

[unique zephyr]

Sorry I have been asking a lot but no one answered, so any Rama pointers

[edgy arrow]

is that why you rolled out of flood flare

do you hate beo

[bronze viper]

Like... where specifically?

[edgy arrow]

this is heresy

[bronze viper]

Lmfao

I had Charged Flight!

Locked in

[unique zephyr]

Pact selection as well as how to charge shot Rama safely

[bronze viper]

Bad Hestia leggo

[edgy arrow]

lmao

[unique zephyr]

And using the shared suffering

[edgy arrow]

speaking of bad hestia

Tail is streaming level 1 hestia at 50 rn

i think he's gonna clear it

[bronze viper]

Okay, so your typical process of entering a room is to cluster enemies together while spreading the Suffering around, finding an opening, and then power shotting into as many of them as you can safely

"Finding an opening" is usually comprised of baiting an attack animation, then dash striking as they're in their attack animation, which will most of the time give you a chance to get a full power shot

You can mix and match that approach with charging yolo power shots into the void from max range, which is effective in its own right

Rama does not care about any pacts. It's your own preference, which you'll develop as you use it. I would say that while at high heat, DC2 is not that bad, while you're learning, I would avoid the second DC.

Rama's damage actually kind of scales positively with JS, which is nifty. The only downside is that there can only be so many enemies on a screen, so your time will still increase because of number of waves

[shy plinth]

The return of the Rama Llama!!!!

[bronze viper]

:3

I am bad Zag Bow main now. Luckily, everything is a bad Zag bow, including Zag bow.

Also don't feel bad about not really being able to find the openings. Just be patient. and maintain your special on stuff while you're looking for an opportunity. One or two well placed powershots should kill every non armored enemy on the screen

Maybe excluding like CP2 Chariots or thicc Rats

Oh, right, and add in your rotation to put a bloodstone in the target you happen to be attacking, to get that extra suffering damage on everything

That's not like.. unusual, every aspect should do that, but you're missing out on a ton of collective damage if you forget (don't worry, it's very easy to unga bunga and forget a lot of this stuff, it's an iterative process lol)

[shy plinth]

If anyone wants a lesson on how to really optimize high heat gameplay, Tail is putting on a clinic right now

He died <10 seconds from a 50 heat clear on level 1 hestia, didn't tilt, just queued it back up

Easily the most important skill in heat running and gaming in general is not letting it get to you

I would have uninstalled the game on stream

[bronze viper]

Talk about an iterative process :3

[edgy arrow]

yeah ngl that's the thing about Tail that most impresses me lol

[bronze viper]

I salted from 3 hours of failed 51 Zag bow today

[edgy arrow]

if i get a really good run i'm usually done for the day, win or lose

it takes so much out of me

[shy plinth]

Yep

Running it back with head held high is not an easy thing, no matter what the outcome is

Most important part of competition is rolling with the punches

[bronze viper]

Though to be fair for my own mental health I've learned to back off earlier than later to minimize burnout and maximize actually enjoying video games

I am filthy casul though

[edgy arrow]

yeah that's why i'm on a elongated break from 24x40

i'll get back to it when gilgamesh and nem stop sounding like chores

[bronze viper]

I'm so ready to play 0 attack 0 special Gilgamesh lmao. Probably doing that tomorrow

Dude, the high I got from 40 Nemesis was unreal. Getting that off the checklist chef kiss

[edgy arrow]

i swear its harder than beo 50

[bronze viper]

Unfortunately I still have its... specially abled younger brother to tackle.

[edgy arrow]

lol i haven't even tried zagius yet

if i can't beat nem i'm gonna pretend it doesn't exist

[north dove]

the only time I got truly tilted at this game was when I got 2 5-sacks in a row during my 57 heat nemesis attempts

I just alt-f4ed immediately

[edgy arrow]

wow

yeah that's fair

the chances of that are actually absurdly low

[bronze viper]

4+ sacks be like that. Very cruel when you find out basically a complete run is invalid because of an RNG check at the very end

It's one thing about this game I legitimately hate and I think has very little justification.

[edgy arrow]

the justification is that the game wasn't designed to be played like this

not that its any consolation

[bronze viper]

It's clumsy but I think TD3 should have a hidden passive to restrict sacks

[edgy arrow]

i used to think that would defeat its purpose, like making CP give you less enemies or something

then i started doing 50 and now i 100% agree

it'd be neat for speedrunners as well

[bronze viper]

I basically can't continue playing the game if I get 4+ sacked at 50+. It's so crushing from the amount of effort it takes to get to the end of Styx to lose it like that

[edgy arrow]

yeah i feel that

[bronze viper]

That will change though as I improve. I imagine the less barrier there is to getting to Styx, the less it hurts

Rama feels relatively straightforward to me now. I still don't play it on TD3 though to be fair.

Straightforward at 50*

[edgy arrow]

me just trying to imagine 50 being straightforward

[bronze viper]

The place where it gets toxic is you have a weapon that can brick with AP2, and you have to do a bunch of small resets to even get a valid run, then getting 4+ sacked barf

That was where I was today lol. 4 resets in a row of Curse of Agony, Lightning Strike, or Tempest Strike starts on Zag Bow

[edgy arrow]

yike

[bronze viper]

I took it basically as a signal from the game to take a break

[edgy arrow]

is shackle zag bow a thing?

guess that doesn't help much if you're AP2'd into lightning strike

[bronze viper]

Idk, is anything a thing at 50+? Lol, it's all anecdotal experimentation from specialists

[edgy arrow]

sure ig

[bronze viper]

Idk if it's optimal, but it's what I was trying today. I could replace AP2 with more CP/JS but I don't see that going well with TD3

But I may try it for sanity tomorrow lol. Zag Bow I doubt is mighty enough to do JS3 CP2 TD3

At least without Twin Shot seed

[edgy arrow]

sometimes i do wonder about the unseeded thing

if folks are resetting a million times for flurry jab on achilles or whatever, wouldn't it save time to just let them seed it

[bronze viper]

Yeah, this argument is as old as time, and people have very strong opinions about it

I agree with you 100%

[edgy arrow]

guess its mostly to prevent routing

[bronze viper]

Yeah that's the intent

Also there's some novelty to seeing runs complete with absolute jank

[solar maple]

I mean there is a seeded category

[edgy arrow]

routing sounds like even more of a headache tho so i don't imagine people would do it much

[solar maple]

people just don't play it

other than nova

[bronze viper]

Like, Astaos was watching a very close 50 Chiron run lose to a 3 sack, but the run started out with me fat fingering Hunter Dash instead of reroll, but for memes I decided to go with it.

[edgy arrow]

i mean yeah that's why i've switched to shackle for 50+ beo

[wanton plover]

what do you all think of art and aph calls

[edgy arrow]

idk if its 100% optimal, but if i'm gonna grind for ages i'd rather do it while actually playing the game

rather than just suiciding until i get flood flare a million times in a row

[bronze viper]

Aphro call is 🔥 against bosses, and conditional but useful as utility otherwise

Great against Chariots lol

Artemis' Aid backstabbed has some serious cheese potential, but it has very close to 0 utility applications

[edgy arrow]

i like to spam calls and hate waiting for them to charge so i don't really like it

[bronze viper]

I'm talking about lesser calls for Aphro

[edgy arrow]

oh you're not charging it against bosses?

i thought that was the play

guess the charm is kinda nice idk

i like damage tho

[bronze viper]

Not literally never. Sometimes if I'm on Eris or Chiron where they get charge out of the wazoo for free I'll end up with Greater Call and get free damage

But usually I'm using it to CC them out of animations

[edgy arrow]

fair

[bronze viper]

The charm is damage against bosses. It resets their animations and forces them to start a new one

[edgy arrow]

i honestly don't pick it much

so i could be undervaluing it

[bronze viper]

Try it with Smoldering Air on Eris and see how absurdly easy the game is from that point

It very much feels like cheating lol

[edgy arrow]

i feel like i did that a while back and it was pretty nice

i don't usually play rail tho

[bronze viper]

Smoldering Air on anything is fine, but it's a natural inclusion with Eris' build paths

[edgy arrow]

yeah that makes sense

[bronze viper]

Also the joy of cheesing EM3 with Charm can't be understated

Top 5 feel goods of the game easy

[edgy arrow]

oh actually that's true

man i haven't done that in ages

[wanton plover]

cow tackle the car feels amazing

cow beyblade car omg

[shy plinth]

I also love making theseus hit himself with god circles

[bronze viper]

I didn't know that interaction existed. That's dope

[shy plinth]

Yeah if you charm him as he comes out of stun they all appear under his feet

I don't know if he takes damage from them but I know they don't chase you

[bronze viper]

Lol, also, what is the game plan for melee if Theseus calls Demeter?

Die?

[shy plinth]

Does melee ever have a game plan for demeter swirls

[edgy arrow]

i believe the game plan is checks notes die yes

[bronze viper]

I don't understand the telegraph for where the swirls will start. And I never had to consider it on ranged aspects lol

[edgy arrow]

its telegraphed

there's like a grey thing

[bronze viper]

I'll keep an eye out for it. A couple of Nem runs I had I was just like baffled, Theseus turned on like cheats or something idk

[edgy arrow]

heat is cheats tbh

[bronze viper]

It's the game punishing you for dodging Demeter like plague with UC

[unique zephyr]

I want to get to that point with any weapon too

[edgy arrow]

we're just imputing cheat codes for our enemies

why would we do this

[shy plinth]

Nah 50 is just like 32 except you do way less damage, there are way more enemies, they have way more life, and you have no room for error

Nothing to worry about

[bronze viper]

"no room for error" lol, that's an opinion. It's a mystery to me how I ever complete runs

Like 10 times a run I think "Oh god I did that. I shouldn't be allowed to finish this run that was terrible"

[edgy arrow]

i used to think that way about 40

"at this heat i can't make any mistakes at all"

turns out you can make loads of mistakes at 40

its actually funny how i don't even feel like i mess up less than i used to

feels about the same

my definition of "mess up" has just gotten harsher

[bronze viper]

I lost the dream run with Zag bow 51 today, got Twin Shot first room then Divine Dash, not to getting hit by enemies, but because I dashed into a floor trap in Elysium lol. My soul hurt. At least justice was served.

[shy plinth]

Hrm let me rephrase

The mistakes you make are different

But the mistakes that you could get away with at 16 kill you at 32, and at 32 the mistakes kill you at 50

[unique zephyr]

I feel like I screw up more when I turn up the heat even though objectively I got better

[bronze viper]

That's fair I'll give you that

[unique zephyr]

Hoping I get more 32 clears soon then do 40

Right now doing FO2 with BP2 MM and EM3 though

So I can actually take FO or FO2 in my pacts

I’m learning it faster than I thought I would

Divine dash helps a lot though

[bronze viper]

Also lol I like how people say that SD requires getting used to but I think with pretty high % certainty that I would get curb stomped with DD at low heat because of how unga bunga SD lets you play in normal rooms

[unique zephyr]

SD and tooth helps me a lot now

And SD didn’t take me long to get used to at all

[edgy arrow]

SD play at high heat is about switching between yoloing and playing actually good

[bronze viper]

I tried DD for a couple of runs in the beginning of the Hell Mode save and I was like... wow this is stressful. When you make mistakes they don't go away. You just lose the health

[edgy arrow]

you gotta play good when you actually might die, but any time you can yolo you should yolo

yolo = speed

[bronze viper]

"oh wait nevermind you have 2834293847 gold at all times and there's a Well of Charon, all good in the hood"

[wanton plover]

crazy how much pacts skew your perception of stuff

feels like a new game

[unique zephyr]

So basically whatever benefits package decides to roll

[edgy arrow]

lol that gold thing is a mood

[unique zephyr]

Jk

[bronze viper]

Lmao, CF0 feels like absolute cheat codes at this point. "Oh wow, a shop! Let me buy... everything?"

Gems? Sure, I finished the contracts but it's such a bargain

[edgy arrow]

yeah people talk about FO0 feeling slow (which is true) but there's nothing like the high of how absurdly rich CF0 makes me feel

actually the best ("best") one to turn off is UC

i forget i turned it off until i've sold boons every zone already usually

its hilarious and mortifying

[shy plinth]

Seriously the beo players were right

If you turn off CF you can get away with so much

[bronze viper]

UC felt super duper scary when I started turning it on, but it's like... kind of the freest pact in the list?

[shy plinth]

Hrrrrm

TD2 tho

[unique zephyr]

It fundamentally changes how you play

UC

[edgy arrow]

excluding TD yeah i think it is

[bronze viper]

Excuse me sir, have you played Chiron lmao

TD2 real deal

[shy plinth]

I said 2

[unique zephyr]

TD1 doesn’t

[shy plinth]

Also chiron doesn't count

[unique zephyr]

Not even 2 usually

[edgy arrow]

even chiron can do TD1 tbf

[shy plinth]

That weapon needs some coffee

Oh also the first two ranks of EM

[unique zephyr]

EM2 can be nasty with the right pacts

Or maybe I’m just bad

[edgy arrow]

nah they can be

[shy plinth]

Dying to lernie happens

[edgy arrow]

dying to furies happens

[bronze viper]

Lernie is such a fw9fw9ew9efdfs

[unique zephyr]

Dying happens

[edgy arrow]

^

[shy plinth]

Dying to furies doesn't happen because of EM1 though

[bronze viper]

Dying to furies is whatever but Lernie is so infuriating

[shy plinth]

Like that is not the difficulty