h1-high-heat-strategies

[true fable]

almost feels like i should just do zag rail

to finish all the rails

[edgy arrow]

it’s just like eris

easy

(it’s not like eris)

[north dove]

just get spread fire, ez

[bronze viper]

Lol, yeah I wanted 50 in all the bows, I'll probably do/try Zag bow tomorrow. No confidence in Hera though. I got stomped at 45 last time I tried.

[edgy arrow]

i would go for all shields at 50 except like, all of them are hard except beo

i’m too small brain for zeus

i’ll just time out with chaos

actually maybe zag shield is the way to go

[north dove]

zeus shield requires a mathematics degree to use I swear

[edgy arrow]

^^^

[true fable]

or a mouse

imo

i like having a mouse

[edgy arrow]

i play KBM and i still can’t do zeus

[solar maple]

working on that math degree and I still can't play zeus 😦

[bronze viper]

Is it easier? Why?

[true fable]

kbm has better special control IMO

[bronze viper]

Huh. I could see that for rails but I thought Zeus just fires in the direction Zag is looking

[true fable]

not always a good thing

[solar maple]

you click where you want the shield to go

[true fable]

^

[bronze viper]

You what

You can do that?!?

[solar maple]

yeah lmao

that's how kbm works

[north dove]

not something you can do on controller :/

[bronze viper]

Wait wait, you mean from Zag, you can choose where the shield goes. Not that you can continue to reposition the shield while it's out, right?

[edgy arrow]

no you can’t reposition it

[solar maple]

same controls once it's out

[bronze viper]

I see

[edgy arrow]

it’s the same as controller but easier to aim initially

i assume

i’ve never used controller

[bronze viper]

Yeah I have no idea how to predict the distance the shield will go before it stops

[edgy arrow]

well, i did briefly but not for zeus

[bronze viper]

Sometimes i call it right and I high five myself for guessing at sheer random correctly

[edgy arrow]

i was streaking zeus at 32 on my hell mode save while i unlocked stuff for a while

it was helping, for sure, but it was also giving me a headache

just play beo and spam buttons, much easier

[solar maple]

zeus was one of the aspects I was originally trying to do 50 with

[unique zephyr]

I haven’t maxed Zeus yet

[edgy arrow]

yeah the thing is it’s demonstrably a great aspect

[unique zephyr]

I never use it

[edgy arrow]

but maybe only if you’re Baj idk

[unique zephyr]

Is it worth maxing the blood

[solar maple]

I started trying it out when they buffed shackle

[edgy arrow]

it’s worth maxing eventually

[bronze viper]

Kind of? It's worth maxing but it requires a lot more investment than blood to get it to work lol

[edgy arrow]

but it works pretty well at level 1 with zeus or an ME build

yeah what ledger said

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok. On another note I haven’t tried high heat Arthur but it’s very good at level 1

[solar maple]

maxing it is pretty important for using it because the base damage gets so high

[edgy arrow]

it’s mostly building a kind of unique skillset

[unique zephyr]

I find beo more fun

And I maxed beo

[solar maple]

you aren't wrong

[unique zephyr]

Once I get used to FO2 making pacts will be so much easier

I hope it becomes like FO2 is normal and no forced overtime is slow

[edgy arrow]

cult of beo yusyus

[unique zephyr]

If I practice enough

[edgy arrow]

eventually it will feel normal yeah

[bronze viper]

Yeah it quickly gets to that point

Though I would recommend spending some time specifically on Dad and EM3 because they are hard road blocks in the beginning while you're learning FO2

[unique zephyr]

Ok I’m motivated to practice then, I’m doing runs with no hard labor but still doing EM3 and BP2 and MM

[solar maple]

FO makes bosses much harder for sure

[unique zephyr]

And LC4 for stubborn

I may take off LC4 next time not sure but still practice with SD

[bronze viper]

Depending on aspect you may want to grind out FO2 Lernie as well lol. The white head summons curb stomp super duper fast with FO2

[edgy arrow]

if you wanna push 40+ eventually you’ll have to get used to HL5 FO2 but uh

don’t start with that

practicing without HL is prolly a good idea

[unique zephyr]

I mean I need to live long enough to see how to dodge

So yeah I turned HL off for now

[edgy arrow]

for sure

[unique zephyr]

It’s not a 32 heat pact like 20 ish to practice

[edgy arrow]

and you wanna get up to the later bosses to practice them

[unique zephyr]

But knowing that it will feel normal is comforting

Once I get enough practice

Do people ever wear acorn against lernie?

[solar maple]

some do

I tend not to

[unique zephyr]

I’ve seen it a bit, I do Athena keepsake in asphodel usually

If I don’t already have dash

[solar maple]

forcing athena if you don't have her is a good idea in general

[edgy arrow]

i don’t use acorn for lernie either (usually) but me and pseudo play beo mostly

that fight is way harder on other weapons

[solar maple]

I used to do tooth sometimes, but I've stopped doing that now

[unique zephyr]

why is tooth useful in higher heat?

genuinely curious I haven't used tooth often at all since the beginning of the game

although tooth got buffed right?

Died to FO2 Lernie 😦

FO2 dracons are also SO FAST

further than I thought I'd get tbh

[solar maple]

You may have anwered your own question there

[unique zephyr]

what do you mean?

I think I can learn FO2 eventually though

[solar maple]

Tooth is a bit worse in boss fights, but a particularly scary bp2 room (drakons) can also kill you

[unique zephyr]

i'm just going to keep at it

[solar maple]

Especially with fo2

So tooth is a hedge for bad rooms, while still being enough to beat a tough boss if needed

[unique zephyr]

ah ok you mentioned you stopped using it though

why?

i'm curious

[solar maple]

I got better at asphodel mostly

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok. Sorry for asking for reassurance but everyone had trouble adapting to FO2 when they first turned it on right?

[solar maple]

And I value the other keepsakes too highly to take a defensive one into aspho

[unique zephyr]

especially those who never did FO1

[solar maple]

For sure

When I started learning to speedrun sword, I did fo2 and died all the time

And that was <10 heat

[true fable]

pseudo

how do you do tartarus

with 50 hp

on beowulf

im running it on 54 and its kind of hard

[solar maple]

Shackle beo shackle beo

[true fable]

i am

[solar maple]

Yeah tart is tough

Most of the biomes are tbh

Also remeber when I said Ive never won with RI2?

Dieing in tart/asphodel is what made me switch to the RI1 pact

But then as soon as I did I dodged everything in the first two floors lmao

I have gotten pretty far with ri2 though so its possible for sure

[true fable]

might be that chip damage feels worse

[solar maple]

I hate not being able to take chaos too

[unique zephyr]

How does schlad's tutorial pact change once I learn FO2?

For 32 heat I mean

I imagine I can remove a lot of nastier pacts but not sure which ones

i'll experiment once I get used to FO2

and ask about what you all think here if that's okay

of pact set ups I think of

[zealous glacier]

Finally beat 32 Heat. Wanted to come back and say thanks for the advice. I think it was @thorn bridge 's tip to turn off TD that let me play a safe game with Shield and an early Lighting Rod.

[unique zephyr]

Another death to Hydra

FO2 is rough but I feel like I can do it...maybe

[shy plinth]

Grats @zealous glacier 🙂

[unique zephyr]

To be fair I did use Guan Yu that time

[shy plinth]

Hell yeah Beo 32 down

[unique zephyr]

it's not a terrible aspect like I thought it was

[shy plinth]

Only gotta do spear now

[unique zephyr]

nice!

[shy plinth]

Build was kind of insane

[unique zephyr]

still learning FO with 20-ish heat

so I can put FO2 in my future 32 heat pacts

[shy plinth]

Between elysium end shop and styx first tunnel I got a legendary and two duos

[unique zephyr]

my sticking point seems to be Lernie

[shy plinth]

Oh nice

FO2 is a lot though

You really don't need that at 32

[hardy linden]

fo1 is ez

fo2 is scary

[unique zephyr]

Is it like the difference between TD2 and TD3

difficulty jump wise

[hardy linden]

more

[solar maple]

nah

TD2 is pretty completely free

TD3 is an actual restraint

[hardy linden]

td3 is tough in tart, maybe asph

[unique zephyr]

but how much easier is FO1 than FO2?

significantly or not that much

[solar maple]

pretty significantly

[unique zephyr]

So you said FO1 is enough at 32 heat?

[solar maple]

have you gotten to asterius yet?

[unique zephyr]

no

die to lernie

[solar maple]

[hardy linden]

omg fo2 asterius haha

[unique zephyr]

Asataos said to just turn on FO2 and get used to it

[solar maple]

I agree

[unique zephyr]

which is what I'm doing

[solar maple]

for pushing up the heat you need to learn it

as you get better, your "core" heat grow

[unique zephyr]

Will learning FO1 help me learn FO2 when it's time?

like even a bit

[shy plinth]

Of course

[solar maple]

it will

[shy plinth]

You really don't need to jump up 6 heat and go to the hardest speed increase in the game

Pace yourself

[solar maple]

the best way to learn FO2 is FO2, but FO1 will help (and teach you FO1 haha)

[unique zephyr]

Even FO1 will make my 32 pact much better right?

because it's 3 heat

[hardy linden]

yeah

[shy plinth]

You really don't need FO2 for 32

Really really

[hardy linden]

fo1 helps with td3 too, idk what td you use for 32

[unique zephyr]

I used TD3 for my hestia clear

I was lucky and 2 sacked though

[hardy linden]

how much time

[unique zephyr]

I got like 18:30

as my total time

i'm not super fast

[hardy linden]

ooh a 3 sack would've been close if not over

[unique zephyr]

i need to work on getting faster, yeah

does FO1 speed things up significantly

although I know where I went wrong in movements and such

[hardy linden]

it speeds up spawns

so cuts things down for every chamber

[solar maple]

FO is a small time save and allows you to take fewer slow pacts

[unique zephyr]

I do wonder how I can consistently be fast enough that TD3 isn't a huge problem

[solar maple]

so it can make td3 easier

[unique zephyr]

is it just playing more efficiently?

I took all free rooms I could on my 32 clear

[solar maple]

yes it it just playing more efficiently

[shy plinth]

Better micro

Lining up with enemies where they come in, being more efficient with movement and attacks, reorienting if you're punching the air, ending near the door, etc

[unique zephyr]

my average clear times are like 24 mins

or so

[shy plinth]

At high levels players will even know where enemies spawn in

[solar maple]

For each room layout I have a general idea of where the first enemies are

have you ever wondered in circles in an aspho room looking for the first enemy? or in elysium?

[unique zephyr]

Yes

a lot

do they spawn in consistent spots?

[solar maple]

spawns are pretty consistent

[unique zephyr]

i thought it was random

[solar maple]

there is some variation but it's mostly in the same spots

[shy plinth]

Enemies don't like to spawn outside of your camera and they have patterns

Like in the super wide elysium room with the square with spears in the middle, if you hang out by the far left wall, enemies will spawn right by you

Group em up and drop a flare

[solar maple]

a good rule of thumb is to go the path that is closest to straight up in circle rooms. in most of the rooms that's where they spawn

[shy plinth]

Oh nice

There's that one asphodel room where I always check the right side first and they're always on the left

You'd think I'd have learned by now

[solar maple]

I think there are a few exceptions but if you always go up you won't be wrong that often

[unique zephyr]

btw why do people use artemis over aphrodite for damage?

crits don't seem consistent

like for example hestia attack or guan yu special

is it because artemis gets higher crit chance with her boons or what? aphro seems to do more damage consistently and I hear aphro actually does more damage on average but not sure if that's true

[shy plinth]

If you're in a boss fight think about how many more attacks you do

If just one of those attacks crits it's triple damage

And triple damage on a hestia shot is big boom

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok so it's not so much for oneshotting regular enemies

[shy plinth]

You can, and it's solid

[unique zephyr]

for guan yu artemis fails to one shot unless it crits

not sure if aphro would one shot ever tho

[shy plinth]

Charged skewer guan yu will one shot a lot

And you gotta get some poms in there too

[unique zephyr]

what if I don't have charged skewer

i think i got it to level 3 or so? epic artemis

3 or 4 ish?

[shy plinth]

Should still be a bunch of damage

Charged skewer is transformative though

Also a lot of the time you have ways to increase your crit chances

Hunter's mark is a big one, pressure points is nice too

If you do something like nemesis deadly reversal double edge you're just gonna crit all the time

[unique zephyr]

Pressure points is good?

[shy plinth]

Very

[unique zephyr]

Hope no one minds my newb questions on boons

[celest grail]

hm, how do i clear shield 32 heat

[unique zephyr]

I haven't had to think that hard about boon evaluation till now

[shy plinth]

Nah you're good

[celest grail]

what aspect, i mean

[shy plinth]

@celest grail if you are asking in this room people will say Beo lol

[solar maple]

PP is pretty good. Hunter's mark is the big crit payoff generally

[celest grail]

yeah been lurking a bit here

seems beo is a fav in this channel lol

[shy plinth]

This room is lowkey a beo cult

But also I just cleared my first shield 32 with beo like an hour ago so I'm converted

[solar maple]

if you have any beo questions

[shy plinth]

I honestly think that zeus might be harder to play optimally

But beo is weird

Huge damage though

[celest grail]

what pact do i go for with beo

i doubt ill be able to clear td3 with beo

[shy plinth]

Check the picture I posted right above yours lol

It goes real fast

Just gotta get damage going and survive tartarus

First two biomes suck and then the next two are kinda free

[celest grail]

hum, i guess ill give it a try

[shy plinth]

https://youtu.be/DrTuT7xi2JI

I didn't record the whole run but this is the styx

[spice lava]

Start with TD2 then, so you can sharpen your gameplay with beo

[shy plinth]

So you can see what it looks like at the end

[unique zephyr]

So god keepsake question: if I get offered the god in my keepsake and a shop as an alternative will the god still have priority for the future rooms?

I know rarity bonus still applies until first boon

[solar maple]

beo is a very fast weapon once you get used to it

[unique zephyr]

but i'm not sure if that god will have priority even if I skip that god the first room for some reason

[solar maple]

it will still have priority until you take a room with that god as a reward

[shy plinth]

You can see the priority thing on the ribbon on the left

Keepsake will have a little "1" on it

It ticks down once you take a boon from that god

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok I thought the 1 only applied to rarity in case you saw that god

this is great to know, thanks 🙂

FO1 feels much more manageable than FO2 so far

but we'll see

[shy plinth]

Nope the rarity boost is just as long as the keepsake is equipped

The priority is one and done

[unique zephyr]

Oh the rarity boost still applies? Interesting

[shy plinth]

Yeah there are two effects

"Next boon you find is x" and also "All blessings from them are +20% chance to be rare or better"

[spice lava]

F02 requires more reflexes and bad dashes are more visible against quick foes

[unique zephyr]

I beat FO1 Lernie, yay

let's hope FO1 asterius doesn't hurt me too bad

but he probably will haha

[shy plinth]

Good luck

[unique zephyr]

thanks I'll continue the run tomorrow

it's getting late lol

[spice lava]

EM2? EM3?

[unique zephyr]

EM3

wait I kept FO2 on lmao

nice surprise

[spice lava]

Gratz you beat lernie on FO2 👀

[unique zephyr]

Thanks! I kept FO2 on by accident lol

[spice lava]

EM3 Theseus/Asterius is spicy

[unique zephyr]

I think I'll wear skull to Elysium

skelly tooth I mean

normally I'd take acorn

for EM3

[spice lava]

Tooth or acorn are the usual items for Elysium

[unique zephyr]

ok good to know

[solar maple]

On pretty nutty pace with 40 heat athena cast rn

Sub 4:30 asphodel exit 👀

[unique zephyr]

Nice!

[shy plinth]

Uhhhh woah

That's fast

[solar maple]

Yeah

[spice lava]

Tailesque's 53 heat run still isn't covered by a 54, maybe I've still time to finish a sub 20ish run tonight 👀

[solar maple]

Slow heroes fight :(

Hitting theseus with tiny Athena casts is hard

Still sub 10 pace though

Never mind got sacked

[celest grail]

question

do i take epic aphro cast replacement in tartarus

i have poseidon's cast

running beo 32 heat

i have infernal soul with +1 chaos cast

[solar maple]

I would usually take another boon, either for what it does or to sell

swapping isn't terrible

[celest grail]

its only really early tartarus, i could probably get another boon to sell later

i think i swap

[shy plinth]

Keep flood flare

You need mirage shot

Passion flare is fine but I would probs keep the flood

[celest grail]

already swapped oof

[shy plinth]

Pseudo is much better than me so do what he says

But I would keep the poseidon cast generally

[celest grail]

i did a run before this with beo with flood flare, i had 4 casts but the 4th one generally never hit enemies

since it knocked them back on like the 2nd cast

[shy plinth]

Usually you just wanna kill em once you get the casts pommed up

And the extra casts with wave pounding are super nice against bosses

[celest grail]

oh i forgot wave pounding was a boon

hm, lets see how the run goes anyway

[shy plinth]

Yeah you can still do it

Passion flare isn't bad

[celest grail]

wait, can you get flurry cast on beo

[solar maple]

you can't

[edgy arrow]

you actually used to be able to and it was super annoying

every time i took it i would always unintentionally load too many casts at the same time and waste a bunch of time

[bronze viper]

This is one of the hidden benefits of learning pacts. Not only are you getting better at the game, but the game just gets easier since you can leave your "automatic" pacts on and turn off all the gross ones like HL, CF, CP, JS, DC, or whatever else you dislike to play with.

For instance, who in their right mind would play with LC4 when they start playing? And yet, once you learn the playstyle, it really isn't even that bad with SD. So assuming you have LC4 EM3 MM BP2 FO2 UC TD2 active all the time, that's like 25 heat that you don't really have to work for. Better yet, if you do decide to turn them off, the game pretty much feels like it's going in slow motion.

It's the Retrash effect :3 None of us have ascended to the point that we can just do EM4 on anything and not get hit, so he plays at a consistent +4 heat to most people lol.

[bronze viper]

lmao, I think everyone has gone around in circles multiple times in that one enormous layout that has the first two armored enemies spawn in the offscreen northwest or northeast corner islands.

[solemn pulsar]

They always spawn on the side you enter from btw

[bronze viper]

Yeah

The first time I entered the room I thought I was having a stroke and I just forgot already clearing it

[vital grove]

Hahaha

Fun times when that happens.

[edgy arrow]

...yeah that’s happened to me

[true fable]

i think

bows are hard

that is all

[solar maple]

was trying some high heat poseidon sword and it's really fun

I think I'll do 45

[true fable]

40 heat was fun for me

50 proved too hard

even with athena cast

[solar maple]

yeah 50 seems rough

[true fable]

the thing dont do enough dam

[shy plinth]

Have you tried this weapon that has recently been popular, it's called "Rama"

From what I hear it is good

[true fable]

i have

its hard 😦

idk

[shy plinth]

That'll happen

[true fable]

might try to do 50 heat rama off strim just because it should happen at some point

but dont need to disgust tail with my rama special builds anymore

[bronze viper]

Oh I'm still planning to start Dio's keepsake for 54 lmao

Special builds represent

[true fable]

lol

dio special strong

maybe zeus special start?

[bronze viper]

I'm bad and I need something to carry me through tartartus. Tartarus super stinky

[true fable]

i can just reset for good chonky mobs

and not witches

lol

[shy plinth]

Rama special builds aren't even offensive any more

Now we do beo special builds

[true fable]

still not sure if i should run shackle or reset deadly strike

beo special builds are interesting

because you invest in the part of beo's kit thats strongest in tart and just accept that you wont scale at all

like retrash's build worked because he just ran with what AP gave him

AP will not always give you charged dread flight

also @solar maple i was tryin some non EM4 54 heat setups yesterday with shackle beo

feels like getting a bad attack boon early absolutely bricks your run

[solar maple]

I don't think EM3 is ever really worth it

EM3 54 is harder than just EM4 54

[true fable]

my main concern was timing out vs EM4 with whatever terrible level 1-2 cast AP2 gave me

[bronze viper]

Lmao, timestamped from the gravest Beo sin @edgy arrow. I got it wrong, I didn't spend 2 rerolls, but it was an epic Flare and Tidal Dash :3. I rerolled off of Flood Flare a couple more times that run too:
https://youtu.be/LO1eq_6b2i0?t=755

[true fable]

just a trial before doing 58 heat more like

but what do you do with like

[solar maple]

yeah I tried some 58 heat

[true fable]

common curse of agony

just cry?

[solar maple]

lots of crying

most of my runs died in tart, and most of the ones that didn't died in aspho

[true fable]

oof

ap2 mood

[solar maple]

I made it to elysium 3 times, and only 1 of those even made it to heroes

[true fable]

idk if i like 50+ heat anymore

mom pick me up im scared

[shy plinth]

Have you tried switching to eris for ez mode

[solar maple]

and the run that made it to heroes was carried by charged shot

I've tried eris and I can't even clear 50 haha

"even"

[bronze viper]

I don't think Eris at 50 is easy. You kind of just want to unga bunga rooms down with Eris but everything kills you 😦

[thorn bridge]

Hell yeah!

[true fable]

this is what i did and it seemed to work

granted i had sea storm but still

sea storm epic jolted and zeus call

[solar maple]

I've never played bosses safe with eris before so I need to learn that

[true fable]

i didnt learn and it was fine

[solar maple]

turns out damage racing doesn't work quite as well at 50 heat

[true fable]

just find an extra DD and sea storm

:^)

as an actual answer i think most of it for me was just learning when i could stop pressing attack button and i frame before going back to unga bunga mode

but make no mistake, 90% of the time was spent in unga bunga mode

[bronze viper]

I have this issue on Fists all the time lol

[gaunt fiber]

Today we met the heroes. Unfortunately, room 34 offered an exchange and I lost divine dash. Was kinda close, lost acorn on a bad dash (F deflect). It was charged skewer with doom on special, timer was great.

Progress was made on Lernie fight

Flaring spin is still blessing my runs with good boons

[bright mango]

Ap2 cursed luck

merciful end crossed out twice, dash switch

[gaunt fiber]

Oh yeah I almost had ME lol

[bright mango]

AP2 is bad
Why is Lernie so toxic
Ares go away

[true fable]

imperdable

astaos

soon

i dont know why

[bright mango]

That haiku is literally the whole stream summed up

[true fable]

but i feel the urge to do 50 heat guan yu

all of the sudden

[gaunt fiber]

try it, it will pass

[bright mango]

lmao

[gaunt fiber]

But thanks Bright

I'm like almost close

[true fable]

i believe

[gaunt fiber]

Also I had a run when Aphrodite's call was just amazing

It cleared Elysium for me, saved me from Asterius

And convinced Tyler that it was good

[bronze viper]

Yeah, people be hatin'. I love Aphro's Aid

[true fable]

it is good

[bronze viper]

Particularly because at high heat you don't often get the option to turn it down :3

[gaunt fiber]

I'm happy to take it

[true fable]

i literally turned my brain off with it on luci 50

aphro aid + smoldering is

[bronze viper]

Yeah, if you can generate call charge fast enough it makes bosses stupid easy

[gaunt fiber]

I bought a net

was nice

[true fable]

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/SneakyBovineNoodleOSfrog-Wgv7ElAr95oQFYq3

this is how you "dodge" asterius

i will say

zeus shield is proving to be quite hard

i might try to join the 24x50 club

just at a slower rate

[bronze viper]

That's a super stretch goal for me too, but even thinking about doing that on any Stygius is giving me heartburn

I'll be content getting bows and rails to 50

24x45 should be pretty manageable though

[quartz mantle]

I think I might try to go for 24x40

Maybe 24x32 is more reasonable for me but like it'll take more time and I feel like I can do that relatively easily

[proud jay]

at 40 you can still avoid the bad things (AP, EM4)

[solemn pulsar]

just do 48x40

[bronze viper]

I should have 24x40 done by this weekend I think (hint: There will be a lot of Sea Storm high rolling)

[true fable]

24x45

[quartz mantle]

Yea this was my 40 pact for Rama
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/782785382244155414/812334568786755584/unknown.png

[true fable]

hmm

if ive done 50 on luci but not 45

[quartz mantle]

Nothing too awful

[true fable]

do i have to do it again

[bronze viper]

lmao

[true fable]

do i really

[bronze viper]

no x_x

[true fable]

because i feel like itd be harder tbh

lmao

[solar maple]

I've only ever cleared 32 once I think

my winrate on 32 is lower than on 40

and 50 tbh

[true fable]

what a legendary statistic

[solemn pulsar]

I have like 10 aspects at 40 heat, one at 50, and plenty at 32

Still have bounties on my file

Only rail is done with them lol

[bronze viper]

I'm at 5 bounties completed on sword on my HM save :3

[true fable]

its weird because the "maxed" HM save on src still has some bounties

so i was just outere collectin TB and ambrosia on 50

[solar maple]

I still have shield bounties on my main account LUL

[true fable]

i think hades professor said hes going for 24x55

[bronze viper]

Wowowow, the speedrun save doesn't even have the last badge? For shame

[solar maple]

I don't have them on the hellmode one though

[bronze viper]

(I'm at 0/320k progress on badges atm lol. Still saving for chaos theme)

[solar maple]

wait no I do

lmao

[solemn pulsar]

❤️ chaos theme

[solar maple]

don't even have maxed bounties on the one wep I play

[true fable]

chaos theme is ass lmao

please stop pushing this propaganda

[bronze viper]

My darkness rate will pick up after I max all the weapons and I can start cashing in Ambrosia for darkness. Also presumably when I finish the bounties on the weapons lol

Stretch goal for 2022: Play Stygius 15 more times.

[true fable]

LOL

i like stygius

its just hard

but it do damage

feels nice when you get dedge better at the game

[solar maple]

poseidon 45 attempts were fun

[bronze viper]

I always always lose when I get dedge on Nemesis/Zagius. I get the false impression that my aspect can now unga bunga and I am shot down for hubris

[solar maple]

50 seems like it needs RI2 so I'm not doing that

[vital grove]

Yeah turns out hitting twice for 20% more damage is still crap

Good for ME tho lmao

[true fable]

???

nah dedge is busted

ive never felt more damage on 50 heat than with dedge nem

[solar maple]

imagine unga bunga without being invincible the whole time

[true fable]

sword just do dmg sometimes

its only pitfall is its melee

which tbf is a severe drawback

[bronze viper]

I find this extremely hard to believe lol.

[true fable]

really?

dedge is so good

you literally one shot anything in tart through DC hearts with a special double dash strike

[rain sedge]

I think cluster rockets do more damage, but yeah, dedge nem must be highest DPS on 50 heat

[true fable]

furies fight literally takes like 10 seconds

[shy gulch]

dedge nem is so pog

[rain sedge]

but cluster rockets is like 2 hammer vs dedge 1 hammer

[true fable]

im kind of tempted

[rain sedge]

you know what I wanna try

[true fable]

to just seed dedge for 50 heat nem

[rain sedge]

hoarding slash

as much gold as possible

[true fable]

but given that my one winnable attempt that made it to dad didnt have it

[rain sedge]

coin purse start, golden touch

could be fun

[true fable]

i dont think i need it

[bronze viper]

You can't crit Hoarding Slash damage right?

[true fable]

schad i think haelians done a few of those

nah you cant

[bronze viper]

smh

[rain sedge]

that's sad

[true fable]

its added after crit for some reason iirc lol

[rain sedge]

so it's not base damage?

[true fable]

no

[rain sedge]

well I'm looking for fun things to do in hades

since I ran out

[vital grove]

Hoarding and Flurry might be top dps in the game on Zag sword

[true fable]

its added like clean kill

[rain sedge]

50 heat is too hard

if only I'm as good as bright zero one the strimmer

[solemn pulsar]

ok bright zero one the strimmer what theme is better than chaos

with its starry dots over inky blackness

[vital grove]

Stygian

[gaunt fiber]

I like Aphrodite's

Artemis very nice too

[bronze viper]

Nyaanyaa isn't here you don't have to lie

[gaunt fiber]

Not lying here

Every day I like Aphrodite more tbh

[vital grove]

Astaos did she get into your source code?

[gaunt fiber]

Weak, flourish, strike, aid, life Affirmation

Everything is so good on Guan Yu

[true fable]

sonorous is good

or sonoran

i like stygian

and woodland

[gaunt fiber]

Well that's more than likely

[rain sedge]

I like woodland

I hope they make more themes

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah woodland is the name

[rain sedge]

like using the meg valentine art photo

[vital grove]

I'd like a Zeus theme

[rain sedge]

that one got me going

[bronze viper]

Cerberus theme PLS

[vital grove]

Or that

We can call it Best Theme

[rain sedge]

ok big brain

make a theme unlockable not by meta resource

but by clearing 40 heat

[vital grove]

And another by going sub 10

[bronze viper]

@rain sedge Do you want people to flood in here asking about best pacts for 40?

[gaunt fiber]

That's not SGG style

[vital grove]

True, they don't really lock things behind skill walls

[rain sedge]

I like skill improvements

[bronze viper]

The third skelly statue is also mostly a joke

[rain sedge]

if you notice, I do quite a lot of things to help newcomers got better 🙃

[gaunt fiber]

True

Schad good shade

[mossy zinc]

Can't say I've noticed.

[solemn pulsar]

things like saying "god i'm so bad at this game" while clearing 56 heat

[mossy zinc]

You wrote a guide for 32 Heat that says "play Eris".

[rain sedge]

I did not clear 56 heat, I choked hard at dad even though I had delta chamber

[mossy zinc]

You don't want people to get better.

[rain sedge]

I might do more of that

[bronze viper]

lol wut

[rain sedge]

but idk. that 56 heat is interesting. the seed starts with epic zeus attack (which I think is fair) but also had a choice of 50 HP erebus gate or another zeus next room

[mossy zinc]

Imagine getting lol'd at for losing at 56 Heat. Eris player life.

[rain sedge]

idk if the second part is "fair" or not

[mossy zinc]

Wouldn't know what that's like.

[rain sedge]

wdym

[bronze viper]

oh I thought your PB was 56, nvm

Filthy 53 trash

[rain sedge]

😦

[bronze viper]

lmao

[rain sedge]

56 unseeded would put me on a tie with crepes for fourth place on high heat leaderboards

[true fable]

lol

[bronze viper]

Literally still hold the record for it, on the most popular aspect in the game smh.

[vital grove]

I might have the fastest Zag bow on 32 lol

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but with Eris.

[rain sedge]

it's only popular for speedrunning no?

it's not even popular for high heat

[bronze viper]

It's pretty popular everywhere at this point. Secret's out. Eris gewd

[solemn pulsar]

it's popular, they nerfed it

their post release balance changes were based on pick rates

[rain sedge]

yeah... I highly dislike the duration nerf

[vital grove]

If this were a MOBA game

[solemn pulsar]

duration nerf is sick

[true fable]

its so funny

schad couldve picked eris

[solemn pulsar]

who doesn't like the duration nerf

[true fable]

and probably been a pretty good eris anyheat player

[vital grove]

Eris would be going to +40% damage for 3 seconds

[true fable]

like most eris players

instead he did high heat

[rain sedge]

didn't I have a whole salty speech about this?

[true fable]

i think so

[rain sedge]

I dislike anything that needs more than 30% of luck to succeed

[true fable]

dont you have salty speeches prepared for most occasions

[rain sedge]

in life, not just in game

I do indeed

[solemn pulsar]

why on earth are you doing anything with AP then

[rain sedge]

salty speeches is my schtick

AP1 isn't ultra bad on eris

[true fable]

well

[rain sedge]

but yeah. I hate AP2. I've had 10+ great runs ruined by hazard bomb and spread fire

[true fable]

it is literally 30% luck

[rain sedge]

at least let me pass on a hammer/boon

[true fable]

for AP1

[bronze viper]

Not literally

[true fable]

near

[solemn pulsar]

i dont see how increasing execution barrier on eris increases the luck required

[bronze viper]

That assumes the secondary and tertiary options have 0 value

[vital grove]

AP1 is fine

AP2 is the nightmare

With ap1 you can at least avoid harmful swaps and hammers that ruin your weapon

[rain sedge]

I think

if AP2 allow you to skip hammers/boons

I'd happily grind 56

but as of now I have given myself <2 hours a day to play hades

[solemn pulsar]

schad pls explain why eris duration nerf is increasing luck required

[rain sedge]

? I didn't say that?

[solemn pulsar]

oh i thought the luck statement

was in connection with you saying you hated the eris nerf

[true fable]

nah

[rain sedge]

no, it's in connection of bright saying about anyheat

[true fable]

^

[solemn pulsar]

oh ok

[rain sedge]

like sub 9 requires 10% luck on eris I think

[solemn pulsar]

lol

[true fable]

schad hates speedrunning

[rain sedge]

if even that?

but to get an actual good timing

is sub 7 actually good? Idk speedrunning

requires more than 30% luck

therefore I don't do that

[true fable]

sub 7 is pretty good

[bronze viper]

Top level speedrunning seems very... slot machine-y. Tbf so does top level heat

[solemn pulsar]

sub 7 is top 20 time out of 500+

it's very good

[rain sedge]

like even ignoring everything else, the sac already puts the luck to 50%

[solemn pulsar]

Top level heat / speedrunning requires the same thing:

You have a consistently high level of execution over multiple runs so that when the run with the right RNG comes along, you can capitalize it

[rain sedge]

for sub 7

[solemn pulsar]

you can 3 sack sub 7

[rain sedge]

I assume you cant get >2sacced and get sub 7

ok

[solemn pulsar]

ananke's beowulf record 6:47 is a 3 sack

[true fable]

to be fair

that run won several dice rolls before that point

[rain sedge]

I've been told that run was the quintessential example of how speedrunning relies on luck

I haven't watched that run

[solemn pulsar]

Lili's sub 6 could maybe even 4 sack sub 7 with optimal styx tunnels

anyway

to repost

Top level heat / speedrunning requires the same thing:

You have a consistently high level of execution over multiple runs so that when the run with the right RNG comes along, you can capitalize on it

[true fable]

ananke's beo run left tart with an extra cast stone and mirage

but your initial point stands imo

[rain sedge]

yep didn't deny that

[solemn pulsar]

and that's what the game is all about

keeping your average solid so that your peaks are incredible

[true fable]

schad just doesnt wanna farm the luck for a fast time which is respectable

[rain sedge]

^

[solemn pulsar]

just for a high heat

[true fable]

yup

[solemn pulsar]

which is fine

[honest kernel]

Pretty much

[rain sedge]

schad doesnt even want to reset for lightning strike on AP2

[true fable]

really

[rain sedge]

AP1 is 50% chance for lightning strike

[true fable]

are you seeding it?

[rain sedge]

which is kinda fair, reset twice after every death

53 was unseeded

but 56 is AP2, which means 4+ reset on average every death

which is like... frustrating

[true fable]

tbh

im not sure what to do with eris AP2

[rain sedge]

if you give me a game that gives lightning strike first room, and randomise everything else

I'll get that 56

[true fable]

how do you get any semblance of a decent build

[solemn pulsar]

that's called a seed

just randomize the seed every time

[rain sedge]

oh I have a clip for you cgull

the seeding mod doesnt work with AP

[bronze viper]

We tried to make this argument for seeding, but the concern was where is the line between seeding and routing. I err on your side of that argument

[solar maple]

yeah I didn't want to reset for c1 boon even with AP1

[true fable]

the line is clear for me

[bronze viper]

If you can just kill yourself until you get the boon anyway, why is there a distinction between seeding for room 1 and unseeded

[solar maple]

I play high heat to get away from tart resets haha

[true fable]

when you start doing manips for r2 reward

[solemn pulsar]

it's not routing if you do a new seed every time

[true fable]

thats routing

[solemn pulsar]

the starting boon mod allows you to randomize the seed

[true fable]

^

[solemn pulsar]

so randomize, then filter on your desired boon

[rain sedge]

yeah, this is my argument

[rain sedge]

I like this definition

[rain sedge]

but it doesnt work with AP 😦

if it works with AP I will do it

[solemn pulsar]

are you sure it doesnt

[rain sedge]

yea let me clip it

[solemn pulsar]

like the stuff it says is wrong?

[rain sedge]

yeah

I had it on my strim

[true fable]

it worked for retrash doing dedge i think

[rain sedge]

I was doing 50 GY for astaos

I wanted to charge skewer seed

let me find it

[solemn pulsar]

there's a 1/3 chance it'll be correct

even if it's wrong

[rain sedge]

^

[solemn pulsar]

which is higher than 30% so schad will not abide

[true fable]

exactly

[rain sedge]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/924592061?t=1h17m36s @solemn pulsar

this is what I meant

I picked charged skewer, mod says it'll appear, it gets AP2-ed

I think if we do something like

[solemn pulsar]

ok well the clip dropped the frames

of you rolling the seed

so i can't see what it said

[rain sedge]

pick starting boon -> filter for rarity I think is allowed? or just put it on rare/common -> roll -> take the first seed no matter what

that's same as unseeded

oh 😦

twitch is mean to non affiliates

[solemn pulsar]

literally missing the important part lmao

[rain sedge]

it happens a lot...

[solemn pulsar]

wait

[rain sedge]

😦

[solemn pulsar]

you put AP2 on after setting the seed?

[rain sedge]

no

like trust me I've tried a lot of ways like this

you can also try it yourself

at most it'll take you 3 times to see that it doesnt work

[solemn pulsar]

lol it skipped the actual hammer too

[rain sedge]

😦 😦 😦

[solemn pulsar]

literally saw nothing haha

[rain sedge]

twitch hates me

[true fable]

schad are you actually streaming now

with mic

[rain sedge]

no?

I'm at """work""" now

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[true fable]

i meant in the general sense

[rain sedge]

oh

[bronze viper]

in a """meeting""" right now

[true fable]

like occasionally you hit the go live button

and you can talk to chat

[gaunt fiber]

My work atm is distracting Schad from his

[rain sedge]

no I only put that video up because I wanted to do something that I thought would be helpful to people

[true fable]

oh

[rain sedge]

and that thing needs a mic

[true fable]

ok

[rain sedge]

so I put it up

I don't really like my accent so 🙃

[solemn pulsar]

well if ello's AP code doesn't work, then it makes a lot more sense why me porting the code to the door predictor mod for routing AP didn't work

[rain sedge]

don't feel very keen of putting my mic on twitch dot tivi where anyone can hear

[gaunt fiber]

Next time you stream can you say "imperdable" please @rain sedge

[rain sedge]

astaos when I order french pastries from the patisserie they always repeat my order with the correct pronounciation

im gonna pass

[gaunt fiber]

They're just mean

What do you order btw

[bronze viper]

I always make the mistake of pronouncing visible consonants when I read French. When will I learn

[true fable]

your accent is good

also astaos

[rain sedge]

I really like palmier recently

macaron is always a favourite

[true fable]

were you just gonna let me continue pronouncing imperdable wrong

if so

[rain sedge]

there's a special choux shop that I like, also eclairs

[bronze viper]

omg it's a real word? TIL

[gaunt fiber]

Ok Bright we can make it work

[true fable]

astaos

answer the question

[gaunt fiber]

Do you know how to pronounce "1" and "bleu" in french

[true fable]

1

no

[gaunt fiber]

Damn we already lost

[true fable]

un?

[bronze viper]

lmao, French high heat

[true fable]

hmm

[rain sedge]

astaos next strim

[bright mango]

French only stream when Astaos

[rain sedge]

you should say omelette du fromage

[solemn pulsar]

<insert video of nyc comedian complaining about french numbers>

[true fable]

astaos

if this is how this team is run

[solemn pulsar]

four twenties ten and seven!

that's four numbers

just for one number

[true fable]

it is with a heavy heart i will have to step down from team imperdable

and join team perdable

[rain sedge]

you are imperdable

mr sea storm ME AP2 RI strimmer

[gaunt fiber]

Noted

[bright mango]

Bright01 | Team non-perdable

[rain sedge]

(I also have a salty speech for that)

[gaunt fiber]

Please no

We will make it

[bronze viper]

They literally can't not make it. It's in the name

[shy plinth]

There's a comedian that does both english and french and he's hilarious

Paul Taylor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwpH_MarfSM

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I know him

[shy plinth]

I bet that you do but not sure about the rest of team imperdable

[gaunt fiber]

Btw Schad do you know that "omelette du fromage" is not correct?

[true fable]

lol

[rain sedge]

no?

[true fable]

i dont know why

[rain sedge]

but I thought the meme is that it's not correct

[bronze viper]

I'm pretty certain they did that on purpose to tilt the F out of french watchers

[true fable]

but since hearing astaos' voice

i have to take his messages more seriously

and i really should not

[rain sedge]

wdym

I like companion astaos in this channel

I always take him seriously

[wintry berry]

French ppl will correct you with omelette au fromage

[true fable]

@edgy arrow im watching your 50 and all i can say is youre braver than i

taking slippery curse into furies is a choice

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[gaunt fiber]

I appreciate it a lot

[gaunt fiber]

[solar maple]

I'm so sad that whenever I get a good run with a meme cast it gets sacked

I really wish beo heat wr was with athena cast

[bright mango]

Trying 45 heat rn!!

[true fable]

GL pengy

[solar maple]

I'm doing 45 too. May your runs go better than mine

[true fable]

ok so to continue the convo

isk

i think RI2 is worse than thought of

50 is kind of a lot of HP

[shy gulch]

it makes tart scary

[true fable]

and 100 is a lot of starting gold

[shy gulch]

idk ive just gotten more used to 50 hp because of like

[true fable]

it makes every biome scary

[shy gulch]

high confidence

lmao

[true fable]

you have 50 less HP than you would otherwise

[shy gulch]

dang

hes pulling out the math

[true fable]

unless you win the RI roulette

thats a lot of Hp youre missing in elysium

ive had some RI2 runs where im lucky to have 120 HP by elysium

[shy gulch]

yeah my thing is i do not want to run AP2 since i really really want a good hammer on rama

[true fable]

120Hp means asterius swings one shot you after SD

thats fair

hmm

[shy gulch]

im not really sure

[true fable]

i'll consider it

[shy gulch]

whats better

do u do shackle AP2 or reset for arty start

like arty attack/dash

[bronze viper]

Lol, in a vacuum my Chiron setup seems pretty stupid. AP2 RI2 TD3. I'm still surprised it worked so well

If you take Artemis over Shackle start you are broadcasting that you are fine with Hunter Dash

Which is fine. It's a good boon

[sullen minnow]

Buuuuuuuut

[bronze viper]

(but it's not divine yes yes)

[sullen minnow]

There it is

[true fable]

i do shackle

its also not deadly strike

good news is im fine with like 50% of attack boons on rama

yes that includes tempest strike

[lusty mirage]

@gaunt fiber i provided https://clips.twitch.tv/AlluringRacyHawkSmoocherZ-QIRuHnXraGCjPC98 for how to say Imperdable

[shy gulch]

tempest strike poggers

[bronze viper]

Tempest Strike + Wave Pounding + Shared Suffering sounds kinda nice tbh

Still less total damage than like... any other attack boon but yeah

[shy gulch]

yeah i was

gonna say that

lOL

[bronze viper]

AP2 without Shackle is just so lame.

Also Shackle has the additional cost of being potentially married to it. As in, no crutches for EM3 or Dad

[shy gulch]

im ok with shackling for hestia but it feels a bit off for rama

[bronze viper]

Yeah, Shackle x4 for Chiron was pretty ezpz

[plush scaffold]

shackling from start to finish on Hestia little gremlin ?

[bronze viper]

But it's pretty spooky for less coward aspects lol

[shy gulch]

i dont recall how my run panned out but im pretty sure i got an attack boon so i didnt shackle to the end

[gaunt fiber]

Very nice!

[shy gulch]

i would really mind shackling till the end on hestia

just would like any sort of movement to dodge asterius and dad easier

er

i wouldnt really mind*

[sullen minnow]

Honestly hestia can make up a lot of her kit in other places with hammers

[lusty mirage]

what else does titi say? couldn't make out the other sentence other than brain

[true fable]

i dont mind it too much on rama until hammers but maybe thats my issue

[plush scaffold]

Damage and survival seemed to lack hardly starting from Elysium with Shackle on

[gaunt fiber]

:D

[sullen minnow]

Rocket is lovely with the shackle

For some diversity

[true fable]

ive unironicaly taken styx shackle in anyheat before

sometimes your special boon doesnt manifest

and your pool is zeus poseidon dio ares

[bronze viper]

Lmao I have also taken Styx Shackle, when I kept holding out for a good attack boon and my greed punisheth me

[shy gulch]

i didnt find damage lacking but i also only had JS2 CP0 on

[sullen minnow]

Shackle is unironically good

Great even

[shy gulch]

not too demanding

[bronze viper]

Yeah I think it's fantastic. Sucks to suck for 0 damage aspects like Eris but for aspects that contain base damage it makes AP2 like... not literally the worst thing that's ever been put into a video game ever

[sullen minnow]

I could see shackle zag bow being a tasty treat

Again, all about the hammers

[solar maple]

4 sacked 😦

45 heat poseidon dead

[bright mango]

Should I go zeus or ME for 40 fists

[gaunt fiber]

Do you want a legit win or to highroll?

[bright mango]

Idk

[solar maple]

I did zeus

[bright mango]

I tried merciful end but didn’t get in and died to lernie

[solar maple]

had enough damage for sure

[bronze viper]

I think Zeus is wayyy easier. High roll baby

[bright mango]

With splitting its probably good

[gaunt fiber]

I really like fists with hangover

[bronze viper]

Spicy

[solar maple]

I didn't get splitting and it was still fine

[bronze viper]

I only getting Splitting Bolt when I'm meming and absolutely don't need it at that point

[solar maple]

I mean it's an insane boon

if you can get it, which is tough

[bronze viper]

I wonder what happens if you get Double Strike to over 100%

[gaunt fiber]

Imperdable, Brain. Obviously imperdable

[rain sedge]

is bright01 or tailesque gonna strim today?

[bronze viper]

my plan was to strim 50 zag after work today. Followed by 40 Gilgamesh meme dash attempts

I'm not sure what will be harder honestly

[rain sedge]

what zag?

[bronze viper]

50 zag bow*

[rain sedge]

o.O

wow

that's gonna be rough

gilga dash meme isn't so bad if you're actually a competent player

[bronze viper]

Lmao if I can do Chiron 51 I can do non-bad Zag Bow at 50

[rain sedge]

which I am not

dont zag bow hate DC

so it's gonna be

RI2 AP1 at least

[bronze viper]

I was going to try shackle gang

And probably regret it

[gaunt fiber]

well you'll crit

can't be bad

[rain sedge]

hmm

how many hours from now is this?

[bronze viper]

After my """meeting""" right now, so like an hour?

[gaunt fiber]

Schad can you stream so GY while waiting

I need some data

[solar maple]

It's very weird

[rain sedge]

I'm bad with the aspect

I can comment on your play but I can't do it myself 🙃

[mossy zinc]

He only asked about Bright01 or Tailesque.

[solar maple]

double strike is one of the most confusing boons in the game

I did a day of experimenting with it to try to figure it out, gave up and asked ello

ello looked in the code, thought he figured it out, and was wrong

[mossy zinc]

It's not confusing if you don't think about it.

[solar maple]

noone knows how it works

[gaunt fiber]

🙃

[solar maple]

we do know that 100% double strike always makes at least 3 bolts instead of 1

but sometimes it makes more for some reason

[daring hedge]

i might do my last 50+ aspect tonight

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/523766637757726722/806309850186514482/Double.png is my most cursed hades screenshot

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge I saw your barrel roll on the board.

[solar maple]

111% double strike, no bolt boons

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/owl-sector-barrel-roll-star-fox-gif-18290188

[daring hedge]

this gives me more anxiety the longer i look at it

[solar maple]

I lost the hades fight in that run 😦

so no cursed win screen

but yeah 111% double strike turns 1 bolt into 3+ bolts

[rain sedge]

what aspect is this?

[solar maple]

we have no idea what makes it go above 3, but it does most of the time (at least for beo cast)

lv 1 hestia 👀

[daring hedge]

exactly

hestia... but with a twist