h1-high-heat-strategies

[shy plinth]

Let's get some speeder savior sneaks

[bright mango]

totally

[gaunt fiber]

H Y P E

[dire steppe]

this is the channel for playing hades during the summer right

how do you manage your computer and make sure it doesnt get too hot

[unique zephyr]

Imagine if MM affected EM4 adds 😦

[bronze viper]

ice

[waxen relic]

hmm, i was trying to learn Rail, but i got Cluster Rockets and cleared RI4 instantly. What do i do now?

[shy plinth]

I want Em4 to summon the barge of death

Hit zag with a boat you cowards

[unique zephyr]

What if the music randomly changes to barge of death music during the fight

Until it’s gone

That would make me want to kill it more

[wanton plover]

idk any of the games music

i turned it off to listen to ebooks sunglasses

😎

[bronze viper]

listening to books while playing hades is pretty impressive in its own right

I can barely play hades while playing hades

[unique zephyr]

Same

And I’m only at 32

[shy plinth]

Just listen to an audiobook version of beowulf

[unique zephyr]

Working on getting better tho

[bronze viper]

I kind of lose it when I hear "Hrunting" pronounced. What a dope weapon name.

[shy plinth]

Too bad you can't get the Artemis ares duo on beo

Hrunting blades

[true fable]

i asked

politely

in test branch

for hunting blades

[bronze viper]

I should probably try to figure out why I don't have Beo unlocked yet lol.

[solar maple]

Maybe I should do a 50 heat stygian ares cast run

[true fable]

pseudo theres only so many things you can do on 50 heat beo before i give up completely

[rain sedge]

I tried some 50 runs

I decided they are not fun

So I did other things with my life

[dire steppe]

this but 40

[solar maple]

I got an extra chaos cast

Ez game

[true fable]

pseudo...

[solar maple]

Sub 4 tart. Honestly its not too bad

[true fable]

it do damage

just relies on enemies staying in place

[solemn pulsar]

So get freezing vortex

[solar maple]

I do have Demeter 👀

[gaunt fiber]

Lili has joined our team

[true fable]

as have i

imperdable grows larger by the day

[solar maple]

Wait why is it actually good in elysium

This wasnt supposed to happen

Engulfing aquired

[rain sedge]

are you actually gonna clear it

[solar maple]

Maybe

Got to dad, I have patty but no dds

[rain sedge]

tbh beo clears are best for flexing in this channel

who cares if you clear on weapons that no one else uses

but beo?

all 5 other beo players are gonna get their feathers ruffled

[solemn pulsar]

chiron 51 clear? i sleep

beo slicing flare 50 clear?

👀

[solar maple]

Nah I died :(

I do have a spicy clip though

wait I can't post clips here

oops

I guess I have to do imgur or something

https://imgur.com/a/b3QyJHH

hourglass strats

[solemn pulsar]

Pseudo: dang why is this so good

Also pseudo: has 2 braids and 4 casts

[solar maple]

nah I had 1 braid 1 +cast item when I said that

I got the 2nd of each right at the end of the biome

sadly I lost it all for dad haha

so my damage was bad again

it's actually really good vs armored elysium enemies, especially shield guys

if only I wasn't a coward and took hourglass through elysium, I might have won

also it's not exactly speedrun pace but 12:30 elysium is pretty good

switching to god's legacy to try to find arty and ares legendaries and trying again

and for tyler I'll run dc2 cf0

[unique zephyr]

So I want to try beo 32 soon, maybe next run. Beo players drop some knowledge please

What cast, and Stygian or infernal for mirror?

Can I take DC

Is dio cast or aphro better for Beowulf

Or neither

Who are the beo players here?

[solar maple]

I would not advise dc

I'm memeing right now

Pos cast is the best imo

Infernal on the mirror

[shy gulch]

doing high heat for the first time in a while

45 beo

I assume u go flood flare and shoot for mirage? it’s what I’m doing rn

[solar maple]

Yeah that's good

If I already have an athen attack I usually force dem for snow burst instead though

[shy gulch]

oh interesting

[solar maple]

Taking a dead boon for a prereq on high heat is meh

[shy gulch]

I thought you’d need mirage to power through EM4 TD3

[solar maple]

Nah not really

My 14:08 was js2 cp2 em4

No mirage shot

[daring hedge]

i do not understand how chaos shield can do 50 heat TD3

where is the damage

this feels awful

[shy gulch]

I HATE IT HERE

speedrunning has babied me

[solar maple]

Yeah that seems rough

[shy gulch]

I forgot to die before picking up Athena

and did not get the dd

[rain sedge]

pin this pls

[gaunt fiber]

I'll prolly make a practice save tomorrow since I can reach Lernie quite often

But I won't record or stream it, would be boring

[unique zephyr]

What makes pos cast so good?

On beo

Is TD3 or FO1 worse for beo

[gaunt fiber]

Beo can TD3 easily

[solar maple]

Beo handles both well

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok good to know, the pact schlad used in tutorial is good then?

[gaunt fiber]

You have like few inputs to repeat like : Cast cast cast dash strike bullrush

[unique zephyr]

We should probably make a screen cap of it and pin it?

[gaunt fiber]

and everything dead

[unique zephyr]

That sounds like my low heat beo clears

[gaunt fiber]

Not an expert tho

[shy plinth]

What damage? You said chaos shield

We don't do that here

[gaunt fiber]

Btw Tailesque

[solar maple]

Ill take a screencap of what I would reccomend

[gaunt fiber]

Flaring spin is doing work for me atm

I don't know what to think anymore

[bright mango]

It legitimately does work to

[gaunt fiber]

I'm surprised

Like you may do some maths, prove that some boons are wrong

and then you get them and you do well with them

[unique zephyr]

For beo or 32 in general

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/813888568900452362/Screen_Shot_2021-02-23_at_1.42.12_PM.png

probably something like that

[bronze viper]

40 Zag shield down. Lmao, I have very rarely won a run so handily and ended thinking "I have no idea how to use this aspect."

[unique zephyr]

FO over CF?

[solar maple]

it's a 33 heat pact really, but I couldn't see anything else to take off but HL

[true fable]

zag shield be like that

[shy plinth]

Beo doesn't like CF

[solar maple]

beo scales very well with boons

[unique zephyr]

What boons does it like specifically

[solar maple]

if you really hate FO you can take CF2 HL5 over FO1

[true fable]

thats a loaded question

[solar maple]

but I wouldn't reccomend it

[unique zephyr]

I might as well learn FO now lol

[true fable]

yea

[unique zephyr]

Probably do it with hard labor and LC off at first

[solar maple]

some beo players don't even take CF at 50

I'm not one of them, but it's still bad

[unique zephyr]

I still need to get than keepsake achievement

[true fable]

i took CF1 i think

not sure

[daring hedge]

i know it weirdly feels good at high heat. like there's the DC hearts part of it but idk

[bronze viper]

Like, I have no idea where my damage was coming from, or if I was doing it right, or what to buy. It's the first time I've bought Titan Blood at 40+ with CF2 lol.

[unique zephyr]

I got up to 26% a long time ago

[true fable]

it just do damage

it has the same damage as beowulf

on attack/dash strike

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah, weirdly is definitely the word

[solar maple]

if it were me, I would take JS before CF tbh, but I have beo speedrun experience

[true fable]

kinda makes me wanna do a boonless zag shield run

[solar maple]

so I can understand avoiding JS + TD3

[true fable]

i know atticor did a few

same with baj

[shy gulch]

1:39 on the clock leaving elysium

let’s see if I can get a good sack and do EM4 lol

[true fable]

whatre you up to?

[mossy zinc]

Good luck!

[shy gulch]

beo 45

now that I got sub 8 all weps I’m doing a bit of high heat again

this is the first run in a while so I’m pleasantly surprised I’m getting this far

[solar maple]

with beo, you go poseidon cast start, then your god priority order (imo) is: athena (dash/attack -> dds) -> artemis (attack/call/special -> mirage) -> demeter (snow burst/rav will)

the other gods are pretty mediocre

hopefully you pick up at least one of those 3 in tart, which almost always happens

then you force one of the other two depending on the situation in aspho

CF0 means you can actually buy poms which you can't usually get away with, letting you scale your cast to high damage

[shy gulch]

my inexperience is showing

forgot to die right before potential sack to get patty buff

[solar maple]

you doing em4?

[shy gulch]

yep

im in for a time :)

I have the build, but I’m SO out of practice on this fight

[solar maple]

have fun

[plush scaffold]

"fun"

[shy gulch]

died in phase 1

LMAO

[gaunt fiber]

lol

[solar maple]

I lost another slicing flare 50 heat 😦

dc2 is way too slow haha

[shy gulch]

jesus em4 is rough

[solar maple]

lol

[shy gulch]

I had a lv 2 common cast but I got mirage and (common) rush delivery

but I’m just not good enough at this fight

[gaunt fiber]

Not so Pog Frog

[shy gulch]

very not pog

I’m glad to see I could get there somewhat easily tho, that’s nice to see

I wasn’t too scared anywhere else except for lernie

[solar maple]

some head patterns can be scary

[bronze viper]

https://imgur.com/a/jylZu95

[shy gulch]

he just moved way quicker and dealt way more damage than I was used to

[unique zephyr]

How well do casts scale with poms

[plush scaffold]

I don't see the problem of EM4 ? You have a good enough build to play through everything and then encounter a boss with 4 times the HP of anything else, during 3 phases, and that 2 shots you on every attack

[solar maple]

wdym? cursed slash lets you HEAL?

[unique zephyr]

Compared to attack and special boons

[solar maple]

much better

[shy gulch]

casts scale the best

[unique zephyr]

Do calls scale well too? I hear they do

[shy gulch]

you want to pom the crap out of your cast

[unique zephyr]

Out of curiosity

[solar maple]

they do, but they are generally a smaller part of your build

since you can only use them occasionally

if you have smoldering though, yeah pom call a ton

you want at least a level 5 cast

my speedrun had a level 9 cast, which is maybe a bit overkill, but still good

first pom in cast is especially important

[solemn pulsar]

to elaborate on cast pom scaling, regardless of the actual numbers, pomming your cast is great because you're increasing the base damage. So any additive buffs from things like braids, chaos boons, Family Favorites or Rush Delivery are much more valuable, since they're multiplied by the base damage, whereas with, say aprhodite attack, moving from +50% to +80% doens't affect the damage from FF or RD

casts + dash poms allow you to increase base damage, which is invaluable

[solar maple]

make sure to check wells when running beo, especially with CF0 -- braids are +50% of that huge pommed base damage

[shy plinth]

Why do casts work differently there

[solar maple]

and quite cheap

[solemn pulsar]

they don't work differently

i mean they do

but it's base vs additive damage

[shy plinth]

Yeah I mean vs attack or special or whatever

[solar maple]

everything that gives a new attack works that way

[solemn pulsar]

so rail attack does 10 damage per shot

[solar maple]

flat damage all scales flat with poms

[solemn pulsar]

high confidence + fiery presence is +100% damage, which makes it 20 damage

lets say you get common aphro attack, which is +50% damage

that 50% is taken off of the base damage, so it adds 5 damage

so all of that together is 25 damage, or +150%

if you pom aphro attack up to +100%

then that's only 30 damage

total

even though you've doubled your "buff"

hmm this isn't a great comparison since casts don't benefit from fiery presence, but

[shy plinth]

I get what you're saying

Battle frenzy idk

[solemn pulsar]

here let me say it this way:

damage = base damage * (1 + additive damage)

when you get additional additive damage from any source, that's good

but when you get additional base damage, you're also increasing the amount gained from every additive damage buff you already have

[shy plinth]

So a cast replaces your ability with a new base damage

[solemn pulsar]

yes

[shy plinth]

While attacks are additive

[solemn pulsar]

yes

[shy plinth]

Okay that's the answer I was looking for

[solemn pulsar]

only hammers will modify base damage of a weapon

[shy plinth]

But casts are full replacements

[solemn pulsar]

rocket bomb takes rail special from 50 -> 80

for example

[solar maple]

Part of the reason rav will is better on cast builds is that casts generally have less +% damage

[plush scaffold]

60>80 ?

[solemn pulsar]

I AM SHAMED

today, I am perdable

[solar maple]

any +% damage you can get your hands on is quite good for casts

[shy plinth]

Eris is a cast weapon confirmed

[solar maple]

honestly eris is a pretty good cast weapon

it's just broken at the other thing it does

[shy gulch]

^this

[shy plinth]

Yeah I mean I was joking but

It's Eris

[plush scaffold]

Anyone having a problem with Eris ? 🔫

[solar maple]

one of my most hated things about hades is when I come up with some stupid meme build, the weapon that would do the most damage with it is almost always eris

[shy plinth]

Yeah the weapon seems kinda slow

Can't even go sub 5

[plush scaffold]

I do agreee

[solemn pulsar]

nemesis can go sub 5, nemesis is best wep

[solar maple]

like I was going to do a vengeful mood full revenge build speedrun

and the best weapon for it by far is eris

[plush scaffold]

Yeah, no sub 5 ever done with Eris

nemesis is broken

[solemn pulsar]

blame splash dash and crits for that one

[shy plinth]

My barrel roll eris run was scint feast ice wine

Those boons are good with global +75%

[solemn pulsar]

hades routers: be careful not to touch even a single pot or else you will lose the entire route
splash dash: RAAAAAHH

[gaunt fiber]

Cgull

tag

what

[solemn pulsar]

well i was imperdable

and then i messed up a basic thing

so now i am

perdable

[shy gulch]

man i forgot how tough high heat was w melee weapons

also i might crack and not do EM4 for 45 beo

im too much of a noob

ive gotten to dad like 3 times on 45 beo out of <10 tries and died to dad each time

[gaunt fiber]

That's not the spirit Cgull

[true fable]

cgull

the point

is that even if you mess up basic things

you are still imperdable

[gaunt fiber]

exactly

[dire steppe]

Wave pounding: Allow me to introduce myself

[solemn pulsar]

I don’t think wave pounding modifies base damage

It just adds % to the Poseidon boons

[true fable]

^

yeah thats correct

[dire steppe]

i saw some people said it was

i guess i should test

[true fable]

also additive with other global mods

[solemn pulsar]

It’s nice in that it amplifies cast/dash poms

[true fable]

esp since poms in non attack poseidon boons are insane scaling

[solemn pulsar]

Tempest strike why

[daring hedge]

i think i would rather do zag spear 50+ even more than chaos 50+ TD3

i cannot for the life of me make this thing do damage

[shy plinth]

Have you tried tempest flourish and lightning strike

[true fable]

i might do some chaos on strim later

iff you wanna collab on some ideas tail

ive got some dreams of AP1

[daring hedge]

sure i'm down

[true fable]

lets go

[daring hedge]

yeah i'm trying AP1 TD3 50+ and like, i feel like i need explosive return and a good thunder flourish out of tart as a requirement basically

it sucks

[true fable]

hear me out

thunder flourish is not the way

👁️

[daring hedge]

i also tried: deadly flourish, drunken flourish, curse of pain

they did not fare better

[true fable]

get in

stuffs about to get wacky

are you timing out in ely?

[daring hedge]

either that or tart

[true fable]

i guess its kind of hard to time out in asphodel

[daring hedge]

deadly is fine but lacks the DC strip aoe of thunder, drunken needs a bunch of poms to be actually good damage, and kinda same with curse of pain

idk

and ofc thunder flourish needs the T2s

[true fable]

let's talk mirror

smile

[daring hedge]

i am missing half of it :)

[true fable]

thats okay

[daring hedge]

wait i see

i see where you're going

[true fable]

right

if only

there were a mirror option

[daring hedge]

i did consider it because i have been getting desperate

[true fable]

in the top half

that boosted flat damage

by a large, common RD sized percentage

ok im kind of excited to play chaos shield again

weirdly enough

[shy gulch]

didnt haelian do curse of pain for his 50+ chaos

[true fable]

i think he did zoos

but that was a long time ago

he was running AP1 RI1

can you imagine

[shy gulch]

imagine...

[true fable]

what a weirdo

[shy gulch]

it IS haelian after all

[vital grove]

So Zag bow is pretty good huh

[shy gulch]

yee

if it gets a good hammer i loooove zag bow

[vital grove]

Meh, that 32 heat 12:30 i did felt blessed

Just got deadly strike, mark target, hunter dash, twin point blank

It was like playing hestia on some serious steroids

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/813909814270623804/Screen_Shot_2021-02-23_at_3.06.35_PM.png 4 sack

I'm mad

7:11 elysium exit, then sacked

[vital grove]

Holy crap

10 min 40 heat Beo, wow

[solar maple]

was close to sub 9 pace

lost about 1:30 to 4 sack

dad fight was pretty fast too, sub 50s I think

[true fable]

yeesh

see this is my fear

doing 40 heat

you play well

dont get screwed by AP1 rng

or CF1 rng

and then just get sacked

[solar maple]

nah I did get screwed by ap1 lmao

I got mirage in styx shop instead of aspho

[true fable]

oof

yeah

[solar maple]

run before this was sub 10 pace with arty cast

3 sacked on 2 sack mentality

[true fable]

no 40 heat speed for me thanks

mom pick me up im scared

[solar maple]

I want to at least get a sub 10

[daring hedge]

had a good ruthless chaos run with an extra hermes dash and guess how asterius decided to act in his miniboss chamber :)

love how leading him into walls or pillars straight up doesn't work sometimes

[shy gulch]

:).

i hate asterius at high heat

i just do not understand if there is a consistent way to avoid his charges at FO2

sometimes he will just swerve and u get Owned™

[gaunt fiber]

:) :) :)

The charges are so tough

I can't tank one

and sometimes he just drifts on me

like I'm hugging the wall, I'm dashing through but my timing must be off by a milli sec and I'm dead

[bronze viper]

omg omg omg omg I finished 40 nemesis

I am without exaggeration happier about this than 51 chiron

[rain sedge]

nice

wha'ts left?

[bronze viper]

lots lol

about halfway done on spreadsheet

[edgy arrow]

nice one

40 nemesis is harder than 50 i swear

[shy plinth]

Ping me when you upload talos

[wanton plover]

i win 1 out of maybe 10 times with pos sword, a weapon i like then i go hestia and win first time

almost feels mocking

[unique zephyr]

Nice! I remember you saying yesterday you weren't sure you'd be able to do 32 stygius

i have been trying 32 nemesis and failing utterly

i may try something different for now

[edgy arrow]

i recommend giving poseidon or arthur a try

they were much easier 32s for me, but i know some folks found nemesis easier so ymmv

[unique zephyr]

Poseidon sounds good, what casts are good for it?

or the best for it rather

[edgy arrow]

i think flood shot or electric shot are the meta

i personally prefer true shot; it’s not as fast since the room clear is way worse, but it’s safer and easier to use imo

[unique zephyr]

Ah ok. Which weapon aspects can take DC at 32?

[bright mango]

There is literally non imo

Hugging the wall works but still

By the time you realize he’s charging you’re hit

[solar maple]

ok this time it was my fault

I got the most blessed run of all time

and died on 8:45 pace

I looked up at the timer and got hit by a spin

with dad at like 2 hp

at 8:43

end me

[bright mango]

Wow

What heat?

[solar maple]

40

would have been #2 time in the world

I'm pissed

[bright mango]

40 heat is tough
Psuedo screwed the run up bad
Wow he is triggered

[edgy arrow]

off the top of my head: chaos, zeus, rama, hangover chiron (but not crit chiron), all fists aspects and all rails except hestia

[gaunt fiber]

What about that GY run Pengy

[solar maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/813929238037659648/Screen_Shot_2021-02-23_at_4.23.57_PM.png

end me

that spin killed

8:43 on the timer

[edgy arrow]

this image causes me pain

big oof

[solar maple]

me too 🙃

I should have just played safer and went for the sub 9

but with a good hades fight I could have had wr

so I went all in

bad darknesses phase 1, then I ate a laser phase 2

into this

[edgy arrow]

40 heat speedrun is danger

[solar maple]

maybe I should just start taking acorn into styx

it costs several seconds to do that though

like 10 or so

[gaunt fiber]

Sorry for you pseudo

But you're good so you'll get there

[edgy arrow]

^

[solar maple]

maybe if one of my like 10 looks at mirage shot had given it to me

that cast would have killed

and I wouldn't have died

[edgy arrow]

if that was without mirage shot it’s definitely repeatable

[bright mango]

I GOT PAST ASTERIUS AND THESEUS WITH GY AT 40

[solemn pulsar]

@solar maple what's your beo 40 pact

[solar maple]

CF1 AP1

[solemn pulsar]

for speeed

[solar maple]

tAP1

[solemn pulsar]

oh god i was gonna say AP2 you're insane

[solar maple]

all the others are pretty obvious

[solemn pulsar]

yeah

EM1

[solar maple]

lmao

[solemn pulsar]

HL2.5

[solar maple]

I can take a screenshot if you want

but just all the ones that don't cost much time

• CF1 and AP1

[solemn pulsar]

nah i was more wondering what of CF/AP/RI/DC you took, since those are the 40 variables

[solar maple]

I choked that dad fight so hard

if I played well it would have been wr

DC is too slow for beo and RI is pure pain

so you have to go AP CF

honestly I would take CF2 JS1 before RI haha

[bright mango]

NOO

I choked that so hard

Hades second phase half hp

[solar maple]

choke gang

[solar maple]

looks like it's time for me to spread more snow burst propaganda

[bright mango]

Trying 40 gy again

Got charged skewer first room

[edgy arrow]

it’s 40

it’s not crazy to have both snow burst and mirage shot

[solar maple]

nah not that crazy

I got great rooms though

2 chaos cast buffs

and 3 story rooms

like a 2:20 elysium split which is fantastic

sorry, 2:15

I'm happy if I sub 3 elysium on 40 usually

[edgy arrow]

i’m not a speedrunner so i’ve got no idea what good splits are, but that does seem extremely fast

oh nice

[solar maple]

my goal was sub 10

so I wanted ~2:30 -> 5:00 -> 8 -> 10

any time save on that is gravy

[edgy arrow]

oof

[solar maple]

~2 min asphodel

2:15 elysium

[edgy arrow]

i’m happy if i get 6:42 out of asphodel haha

[solar maple]

other than tart those are good any heat splits for me

wait no

I misread it

elysium was sub 2

oh nevermind

I'm dumb

I kept accidentally switching between the run before this one and this one

since they were both fast

2:24 -> 4:27 -> 6:42 -> death (8:45)

that makes much more sense

still, 2 min aspho into 2:15 elysium is moving

and getting sub 2:30 tart on 40 heat is somewhat rare

with a good dad fight the styx split should be about 1:40 but I had bad rng and borked it a bit

If I had gotten the same dad fight as in my 4 sack, I would have had an 8:35 -- wr by 1 second

[bright mango]

I DID IT

40 HEAT GUAN YU

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/813945141378809896/image0.png

[edgy arrow]

congrats!

[bright mango]

I was one shot for half of second phase

This was the most scared I’ve ever been

[solar maple]

gratz!

[edgy arrow]

that’s really similar to the build i used

[bright mango]

I’m getting so much better at the heroes fight

I didn’t even lose a sd in this run at that fight

Only sword shield and fists left

[edgy arrow]

shield ez

[bright mango]

Beowulf

[edgy arrow]

do it

[bright mango]

Yeah that’s going to be the shield

Sword and fists idk

They’re going to be a problem

[edgy arrow]

i actually don't think poseidon is too bad at 40

not everyone agrees tho so i might just be weird

[pseudo girder]

Demeter Fists are basically your only option at 40

And with the added stipulations at 40 heat, you need a lot to go right with them

[edgy arrow]

yeah dem is also not too bad

[bright mango]

Yeah i just need to practice

[daring hedge]

any fists are fine for 40 really

[edgy arrow]

^

dem is easiest tho

[daring hedge]

for sure

dem is the best for high heat by far

out of fists

[bright mango]

not for me

[pseudo girder]

Yeah, hence why I recommended Demeter Fists

[bright mango]

40 kinda scary

[pseudo girder]

They're the best overall out of the bunch, in spite of my love for Gilgamesh

[bright mango]

Yeah i was going to use dem fists

[pseudo girder]

SSG pls give a crumb of buff to Gilga 🥺

[bright mango]

My theory is if i can kill people fast they aren’t a problem

I was so triggered after losing my first GY attempt that when i got to hades i was playing like absolute coward

I attacked like twice at the fight

[shy gulch]

first time making it to elysium on 45 sword

poggers

it’s also my first time getting double edge on 45 sword 🤔

[wanton plover]

the sweet taste of d edge

[shy gulch]

alright I died to heroes

no patty and lost my tooth to some ROUGH elysium rooms

BP2 strongbows and great shields are tuff

[daring hedge]

walking into an elysium chamber and hearing the signature strongbow "HUH"s as they start to run around

groan inducing

[edgy arrow]

ugh i just threw EM4 so bad

[bright mango]

My problem are strongbow, greatshields, and big chariots

[bright mango]

F

[edgy arrow]

he summoned a sneak second phase which didn’t help, but most of its on me

[bright mango]

Hades can summon second phase???

Oh you mean second summon

[edgy arrow]

second summon yeah

[bright mango]

Nvmd

I’ve actually never had sneak summoned at em4

It sounds like a nightmare

[edgy arrow]

consider yourself lucky

they’re the worst

[bright mango]

Is it with fo2 they’re bad?

[edgy arrow]

it’s just having to deal with them which focusing on dad

[bright mango]

Yeah

[edgy arrow]

they keep appearing out of nowhere to yeet you in the back

[bright mango]

Lol

Sneaks at EM4
You and hades can go die
Just leave me alone

An ode to sneaks

From what you guys told me

[edgy arrow]

i approve this message

[wintry berry]

I've done another 40 heat Arthur, still with FO2, but with cursed blade. I did not expected to win with 4 sack and a time out at end boss

[quartz mantle]

Gamer

[bright mango]

Epic gaemer moment

[solar maple]

tried a bunch more 40 heat speedruns, none were even close to as good

but now I know I can do it, so I'm obsessed haha

[unique zephyr]

Nice job, guan yu is fun but very hard for me, I’ll be happy if I can even 32 heat it

[edgy arrow]

note to self: on cast aspect, get cast before elysium mid shop

[unique zephyr]

I’m gonna get the pierced butterfly achievement out of the way and then permanently turn on forced overtime

Might as well start getting accustomed to it

The 3 heat is just too good to pass up (6 total for FO2)

[solar maple]

shackle moment

[edgy arrow]

yeah i had to keep shackle into elysium lmao

timed out at champions sadly

its unfortunate because my luck wasn't bad, i just didn't get an attack or cast

i got divine dash, epic greatest reflex and rare hyper sprint instead

[solar maple]

I love divine dash start on shackle beo

[edgy arrow]

yeah it was good

until it wasn't 😛

[unique zephyr]

High heat is fun but boy does it make me feel like a bad player 😛

now I know why someone I know who completed 32 on all weapons said he wasn't very good, because it humbles you

(He speedruns the game now)

[shy gulch]

5 sacked on a 40 heat Poseidon sword run, gg

4 sack or lower would’ve done it prob

[unique zephyr]

i just died on my 32 heat nemesis attempt to tisiphone

i need to git gud

[shy gulch]

honestly not that peeved fsr, I thought I’d be more frustrated

[daring hedge]

it's just how the game treats us at high heat, it's normal

[bright mango]

^^^

[shy gulch]

I think it’s just how the game treats us, period

[bright mango]

This game makes me feel
Bad when I try high heat so
I need to get good

[shy gulch]

also I’m pretty sure I used most of my luck, and sack luck in particular, the last few days of grinding speed

so this is due punishment

[shy plinth]

Grats @bright mango 🙂

[bright mango]

For wut?

[solar maple]

GY probably

[shy plinth]

40 heat GY yes

[bright mango]

Oh ok

I thought he was talking about my marvelous poetry

marvelous

[bronze viper]

Lmao are we still on that?

[shy plinth]

Okay it can be both

[bright mango]

Still writing haiku
Writing haiku is perfect
It is my calling

[spring kettle]

Apollo would be proud of you

[bright mango]

I would hope so

[vital grove]

Guan Yu is just a bad Zag bow

So good job on the 40 😁

[spring kettle]

Zag bow with no base crit chance and half hp

[bright mango]

Guan yu is good if you know how to use it

I like it

[bronze viper]

Everything is a bad Zag bow

[bright mango]

whoa

But the best combo for guan yu(thanks astaos) is special and then dash attack x 2

Then it’s not a bad zag bow anymore

[edgy arrow]

no then its a bad nemesis

[bright mango]

Why does that actually make sense

Wut

[edgy arrow]

ikr

[bright mango]

No that makes nemesis a bad guan yu

[edgy arrow]

i'm actually way worse with nem than GY tho

idk if that's weird

[bright mango]

Same

Guan yu has range

[bronze viper]

Nemesis has...

Yeah

[bright mango]

Lmao

[edgy arrow]

nemesis has crit to be fair

that's pretty good

[unique zephyr]

Got the butterfly achievement, now I will turn on forced overtime for the rest of my hades playtime probably

time to get used to the timing

[bright mango]

What pb did you get?

[unique zephyr]

getting the butterfly achievment was the only thing I wanted to do before doing FO

[edgy arrow]

crits are no use to me when i'm dead tho lol

[bright mango]

The percentage @unique zephyr

[bronze viper]

I'd like to think that Zag sword has -30% crit, and Nemesis is at least functional

[unique zephyr]

I'm not done with the run yet

[bright mango]

Oh ok

[unique zephyr]

but right now it's 34

I'm in styx now

[bright mango]

Yeah putting on fo2 is scary at first but now after a few runs it’s got infinitely better

[unique zephyr]

it's actually harder to dodge when butterfly is s tressing you out

for some reason

[bright mango]

The heroes fight isn’t that bad anymore

[unique zephyr]

i'm mostly scared of asterius

for forced overtime

[bright mango]

My problems are witches

[unique zephyr]

those suck yeah

[bright mango]

Yes asterius is terrible

[unique zephyr]

i get hit by wave makers sometimes lol

[bright mango]

Hades lowkey scary as well

[unique zephyr]

I'm worried about him for FO as well

[bright mango]

I die to hades wayyy more

[solar maple]

FO EM asterius is scary

[bright mango]

I choked my first GY 40 and almost choked this one

[solar maple]

I've gotten the rhythm down for him with beo, but it took some time

[bright mango]

I can dodge about half of his charges

The main attacks are fine for me

[unique zephyr]

yeah it's the charges that terrify me

[bright mango]

Hug a wall

[bronze viper]

Neat, officially halfway 24x40 unseeded

[bright mango]

50% of the time it works

[unique zephyr]

Now to learn Forced Overtime

since I finished my butterfly run (34%)

wish me luck learning forced overtime

[wet grotto]

is there a world record heat?

[unique zephyr]

and then I'll aim for 32 heat on all weapons (only have rail so far)

last I heard it was 60 by tails

[edgy arrow]

ye

[bright mango]

60

[edgy arrow]

60 by Tail

[bright mango]

By tailesque

Yeah

[edgy arrow]

lol double ninja'd

[wet grotto]

i just beat my first 5 heat and was proud of myself lmao

[bright mango]

You’re fine

[edgy arrow]

that's valid honestly

[bright mango]

60 is insane

[edgy arrow]

this game pretty hard

i think we were all proud of our first 5 heat

[bright mango]

Yep

[unique zephyr]

I know I was

[sand drum]

i was proud of my first 1 heat

[bright mango]

Even tail in his little baby phase

[sand drum]

i was proud of my first clear😭

[bright mango]

When he wasn’t breaking heart records

[wet grotto]

i did double blue hearts, 1 extreme measures, and 1 of the mirror disabler things

[bright mango]

Back when he was an average player

[bright mango]

👀

Wut

[wet grotto]

?

[edgy arrow]

RI1 is one of the more annoying pacts

[bright mango]

^^^

[edgy arrow]

its fine, you just made 5 a bit more difficult for yourself

[wet grotto]

which one is that again

[bright mango]

Mirror

Disable

[wet grotto]

well i mean it was just one of em

[edgy arrow]

the first rank is pretty bad

[wet grotto]

i did beat it first try :P

[bright mango]

Yeah td is pretty easy heat

[unique zephyr]

Best cast for poseidon sword?

[sand drum]

thats also what I used for my first. s lot of heat runs

a

[bright mango]

Artemis imo

[wet grotto]

my good runs depend on certain boons and i should really Not Play Like That ™️

[unique zephyr]

Nah I force god keepsakes in tartarus and asphodel too

[wet grotto]

they work past tartarus?

[wanton plover]

yes

[wet grotto]

ah im just an idiot

[unique zephyr]

you can switch after a biome

[wet grotto]

i know

[unique zephyr]

and it works

[edgy arrow]

you're not; i thought that as well for ages

[wet grotto]

i should... i should do that

[edgy arrow]

it can get confusing since hermes and non god rewards can come before your first olympian boon

[wet grotto]

my current keepsake setup is blood vial, then switch to coin purse, then collar, then skelly tooth

[unique zephyr]

I prefer acorn over tooth for styx personally

[edgy arrow]

acorn will be more helpful in the hades fight than tooth 90% of the time

[wet grotto]

yeah i guess he doesnt hit often but just hits hard

ill have to rank that up

[bright mango]

Yeah

[shy plinth]

Acorn stops 5 hits, if you get hit by sweeps usually that is approximately 200 damage

Tooth is always 100

[sand drum]

i personally prefer the patroclus keepsake over acorn tbh

what is it

like spearpoint

[shy plinth]

Spearpoint?

[sand drum]

broken spearpoint

yea

[shy plinth]

You take the first hit though

[wet grotto]

that is math i wouldntve done on my own

thanks

[shy plinth]

Like if you get hit by a sweep you still take that damage and then are invulnerable after

[edgy arrow]

lotta people like spearpoint for EM4

[shy plinth]

It's better for hallways and em4

[bright mango]

Also boiling blood

[shy plinth]

Yeah

[sand drum]

ik but I play like an idiot and it saves me from like getting stunlocked

[edgy arrow]

but for regular hades, acorn is definitely better

[sand drum]

and definitely em4

[edgy arrow]

the acorn also saves you from stunlocks

[bright mango]

It prevents boiling blood as well

Which is huge

[wet grotto]

i havent seen extreme measures past the first one

[bright mango]

Well you’re in for a treat

[wet grotto]

im sure it cant be that bad

[sand drum]

I wonder if my friend has any clips saved i streamed my first em4 fight to him and I was yelling

[edgy arrow]

EM4 is pretty bad with other pacts enabled

[bright mango]

Tbf em4 is hard

[sand drum]

im always loud and for that fight it was. a lot of shouting

[edgy arrow]

the others are manageable once you get the hang of them

[bright mango]

Yeah

[wet grotto]

im never not dodging so em1 was a breeze

[bright mango]

Although everything becomes hell with fo2 on

And hl5

[wet grotto]

these are acronyms i havent memorized help

[bright mango]

It’s just a nightmare

Hard labor

[edgy arrow]

there's a key in the pins

[bright mango]

And forced overtime

[wet grotto]

ah thanks

[edgy arrow]

yeah sorry we can get confusing sometimes

[wet grotto]

no worries!

im just here to get some quick advice

this game is still getting updates right

[bright mango]

Yes

[solar maple]

small ones

[edgy arrow]

^

[solar maple]

not likely to have major content patches

[bright mango]

The last update made lighting bolts crit

So nothing huge

[edgy arrow]

yeah its just small balance changes really

[wet grotto]

i mean like im just asking is it possible that a skelly dating path may open

[edgy arrow]

not really

[wet grotto]

blood and darkness or whatever they say in the game

[sand drum]

you can date anyone in your head❤

[wet grotto]

wise words

[bright mango]

Sad dusa noises

[edgy arrow]

they haven't said they definitely won't do DLC or whatever, but based on how they're done their past games its pretty unlikely sadly

[shy plinth]

Skelly is unlikely to throw you a bone

Or want one back

[edgy arrow]

SGG likes to move on and do something completely different after finishing a game

[unique zephyr]

FO2 + increased speed perk = pain

[bright mango]

Wait till you see chariots

Speedster chariots

[wet grotto]

flamewheels

[bright mango]

No

[unique zephyr]

I would need to get there first

[bright mango]

There’s worse

[wet grotto]

absolute terrors on blue heart pact

[edgy arrow]

flamewheels lowkey my favourite enemy

[wet grotto]

DC2 Flamewheels got me like

[edgy arrow]

elite flamewheels are worth a lot of points and literally kill themselves

[bright mango]

If you i-frame correctly they’re fine

[wet grotto]

(look dad i did it i used an acronym)

[unique zephyr]

What do you mean by "points"

[sand drum]

my favorite strategy ever is lambent plume + zagreus fists + a lot of hermes boons and just mashing my way through every chamber and moving so fast by hades that I dont even know whats happening

[bright mango]

Each room has a certain number of points iirc

It gives enemies that add up to those points

[wet grotto]

my favorite strategy is aspect of zag shield + daedulus +4 hit special + special inflicts doom i

[edgy arrow]

Each enemy has a points value, and a room will spawn enemies until their combined points reaches a certain threshold (based on how far into a zone you are). Elite enemies are worth more points, so if you get them you'll get fewer enemies in total.

[wet grotto]

it just says you are already dead to the ENTIRE room

[sand drum]

I think the highest dodge chance I've had by hades was 40ish and it was so funny

and like +70% movement

[unique zephyr]

Zeus and Alecto both commented on how much health I lost lmao

[bright mango]

lol

[edgy arrow]

aspect of chaos is this shield to use for this

[bright mango]

What heat ru doing?

[bright mango]

Exactly

[edgy arrow]

you don't need dread flight that way, and in fact you actually don't want it

[unique zephyr]

24

[wet grotto]

yes but it makes a funny sound

[bright mango]

Dread flight poopoo

[bright mango]

Ok

Take charged shot out quick shot iirc

[wet grotto]

ok ive gotta get back to playing animal corssing new leaf on my nintendo 3ds

[unique zephyr]

basically I did LC4 BP2 EM3 TD1 FO2 MM

to sort of simulate 32 without stuff like hard labor

omg asphodel witches

hope no one minds me complaining/observing about FO2 enemies

especially with BP2 on

[edgy arrow]

we all do that honestly

[bright mango]

I feel you

Lol

Speedster chariots with fo2 just sucks

[unique zephyr]

wave makers are hard now wtf?

or I'm just bad

[edgy arrow]

yup FO2 wavemakers the worst

it is known

[bright mango]

Wait till you see drakons

[edgy arrow]

dracons also the worst

[solar maple]

fo2 speedy wavemakers

[bright mango]

Fo2 speedy anything really

[solar maple]

wavemakers just decide to be on the other side of the map

[bright mango]

For me chariots are the worst

[solar maple]

every 3 seconds

[edgy arrow]

FO2 + speeder is +90% speed

[unique zephyr]

holy crap I'm glad I'm doing cast build poseidon

and not an actual melee aspect

how much does speeder and +attack perk add

[edgy arrow]

+90% is too many speed

[unique zephyr]

how much do each of the perks add

[bright mango]

It’s like one second you have 200 health and then the next you’re back at the house

[edgy arrow]

speeder adds +50% speed

the damage one is double damage

but it stacks additively with HL

so it ends up being not quick so bad

[bright mango]

Is there a way to tell what perk they have?

[unique zephyr]

icons

[edgy arrow]

the symbols above their health bar

[unique zephyr]

they're next to the health bar

[bright mango]

Ok

[edgy arrow]

sword is damage, foot is speed etc.

[bright mango]

I haven’t memorized them yet

[solar maple]

they are mostly intiutive

[edgy arrow]

i only know like half the icons

[bright mango]

Also the one that spawns multiple heads in elysium suck

[edgy arrow]

you only need to memorise the ones that aren't immediately obvious

[bright mango]

Yeah

[edgy arrow]

like the damage one

[bright mango]

Come to think of it all of them suck

[edgy arrow]

you're not wrong

[unique zephyr]

how much extra HP does size increase add

[edgy arrow]

some just suck more than others

[unique zephyr]

like teleport

and depending on aspect, savior

[bright mango]

I don’t mind teleport

[unique zephyr]

savior numbskulls with hestia = rip run

[bright mango]

Yes

[unique zephyr]

or like slow aspects like arthur I assume

[bright mango]

That is true

[solar maple]

cloner witches lead to some of my earliest deaths

[edgy arrow]

good question

its a lot

should be one the wiki one sec

[bright mango]

Oml i forgot about cloners

They really suck

[edgy arrow]

damnit wiki just says "greatly increased size and health"

[solar maple]

luckily they are tart only

[edgy arrow]

its a lot anyway

like a lot

[solar maple]

so no cloner drakons

[unique zephyr]

The wiki isn’t specific which is why I asked

About perk specifics

I wish the wiki was more specific lol

Is it more extra health than CP2 gives

[edgy arrow]

only way to know the exact numbers is dig in the code ig

[edgy arrow]

yes

way more

it makes them stupid tough

[solar maple]

yeah they get tons of health

[bright mango]

Yeah

[solar maple]

I could do the math by looking at a clip

[honest kernel]

CP2 Extra beefy enemies are, uh, very tanky

Especially come Elysium

[unique zephyr]

I have to admit FO2 is weirdly fun in its terrifyingness

Kind of

My hope is that this feels more or less normal

And that no forced overtime will feel slow with practice

[wanton plover]

speeder bp on top of fo2

gets me every time

[bright mango]

+big chariots

[solar maple]

FO2 is always a bit speedy (especially a few specific enemies). You do get used to it though

FO0 just feels weird to me now

[bronze viper]

Keeping the memes alive

https://imgur.com/a/g6xiFJt

I feel like I played this run really clumsily but I also didn't have deflect or extra dashes lol, so I had to have done something right. 0 Zeus support boons, so the Sea Storm was mostly there for moral support

[bright mango]

I just watched a hades video where the person wasn’t using fo2 and when the lernie head came down I’m like its so slow

[bright mango]

Truly epic gamer moment

[wanton plover]

i love poseidon dash

congrats ledger

[bronze viper]

beowulf time i guess. no idea wtf this thing does

boom boom

I guess it's between beo and gy, but I've already played bad hestia bad zag bow RI2 Guan Yu before

charged flight beo worth or not?

[bright mango]

Thats how you cheese it

[edgy arrow]

imo charged flight isn’t really that good

i mean, it’s good, but not as good as a good cast build

[bronze viper]

Yeah this atrocious. #badzagbowlife

[edgy arrow]

it’s functional

you can definitely get a clear with it

[bronze viper]

We'll see about that

[edgy arrow]

but it’s less fun and less powerful than playing the aspect imo

[bronze viper]

lol

[edgy arrow]

to be fair, if you actually don’t know how to play beo it might be easier

[mossy zinc]

Charged Flight is like the only way to play Beowulf with RI3+.

[shy gulch]

that’s why u simply don’t play RI3+

[bright mango]

Truth

[edgy arrow]

wym just get fully loaded ezpz RI3 beo

[solar maple]

honestly even with RI3 I probably wouldn't use special lmao

[edgy arrow]

i mean, you would if you got charged flight

surely

or is this a matter of principle for you

[edgy arrow]

actually with enough resets and AP0 this might be a semi practical RI4 40 heat strat

[bronze viper]

well, on principle i won't do athena and force sea storm

[edgy arrow]

start hunter’s flare, prioritise PP and support fire

it’s crazy but maybe doable

[bronze viper]

because this has serious Hestia energy lmao

[solar maple]

hunter's flare is pretty legit for high heat

[edgy arrow]

yeah for sure

[solar maple]

my first sub 10 40 heat was almost with hunter's flare

the sacks said no though

[edgy arrow]

sack rng can be a bit yike tbh

i’ve only had one 2sack at 53 so far, and of course i played the worst EM4 fight of my life

well, that might be hyperbole since i didn’t die phase 1 but it was pretty bad

[solar maple]

I know how that feels 😦

[bronze viper]

lol, my first Beo run. Did I do Beo things?

https://imgur.com/a/09RPd91

[solar maple]

I don't see a sea storm

try again

[bronze viper]

I TRIED

D:

I got so many poseidon and zeus boons lmao

[solar maple]

td2 beo lmao

[edgy arrow]

ledger

why

why don’t you have a cast boon

this is just Tail’s gilgamesh build

[bronze viper]

I took Charged Flight :3. I was offered Flood Flare in the next room but I spent 2 rerolls to make it into common Tempest Flourish. Am I Beowulfing?

[edgy arrow]

omg

[bronze viper]

lmfao

[edgy arrow]

i am in physical pain after reading that

[north dove]

That's a beo build I can respect

[solar maple]

[edgy arrow]

retrash no

[north dove]

[edgy arrow]

😭

[solar maple]

[true fable]

i threw nem and rama 50 heat clears for chaos, eris, and luci 50 heat clears

still not sure if that was a good trade deal

[north dove]

congrats bright

[bronze viper]

Lucy and Chaos 50 are super legit though, grats!

[true fable]

ty

gdi

why was luci easier than rama

smh

[north dove]

how do I still have so many aspects to clear on 50 and so little time to play

[solar maple]

how many do you still have to do?

I'm down to just 23

[north dove]

7 or 8

I think