#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 257

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:22 PM

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yeah, it's basically a build that focuses on Zeus primarily

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and getting as many options for lightning strikes as possible

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so you have Zeus Attack, Sea Storm, Scint Feast, and Lightning Rod

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that's just about every possible option for lightning you can get in one run

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:23 PM

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Don't sleep on Lightning Rod for Eris. That thing trucks

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:23 PM

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^

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especially if you get the zeus tier 2s and legendary

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:24 PM

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I've put 3 bloodstones on the borders of the EM3 arena and had Theseus die before Asterius while I was focusing the bull

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:25 PM

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damn

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that's impressive

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so it seems like I have the right idea with this build

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thanthink

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of course you'd need some junk gods to sell boons

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...Thanks, Underworld Customs.

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:31 PM

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I don't know if it's impressive or if I was really suboptimal with my DPS on the actual aspect lol. Either way, it happened.

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:32 PM

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I know this isn't super helpful at high heat since we rarely rely on duos/legendaries, but I made this for people curious about odds.

So this is not a good visualization because it's continuous, and you can't have 0.5 legendary/duo buffs, only whole numbers, but it gives a decent idea of duo/leg chance as you stack rarity bonuses. God keepsake, chaos, nectar, gods legacy, etc, all count as 1 rarity bonus for duo/leg

https://www.desmos.com/calculator/pwhlgs88mt

This is chance to roll at least 1 duo/legendary in one boon screen with 3 options (assuming you have them open)
if you want odds for rerolling, find the probability p and do 1 - (1-p)^n where n is the number of rerolls

If you want odds for Approval Process, multiply by 2/3 for AP1 and 1/3 for AP2

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:33 PM

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wdym by duo and legendary buffs?

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Like Gods legacy and stuff?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:33 PM

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The unlabeled axes. Ah my eyes

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:33 PM

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they're labeled

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Not numerically :3

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:33 PM

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they're labeled numerically

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it's on the axis ticks.
there are only so many collaborative graphing programs, I apologize for the ugliness

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:34 PM

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bright mango Like Gods legacy and stuff?

Gods Legacy, Chaos rarity, nectar, god keepsakes, etc, all count as 1

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:34 PM

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ok

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How does nectar help?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:34 PM

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like from eurydice

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:34 PM

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oh ok

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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same effect as yarn, though i don't think those stack

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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So is the x axis scaled in percentage?

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or just the number of ones you have

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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yeah if it were just [0, 1, 2] that would be ideal

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Oh, did you just changethe link or something? The first link to https://saved-work.desmos.com/calc_thumbs/production/pwhlgs88mt.png was pretty unhelpful :3. But yeah I see now, nifty.

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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but i didn't feel like being a table

waxen relic Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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yarn and nectar get consumed after one another

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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i didn't change the link that's weird @bronze viper

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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^ That's what I saw

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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https://www.desmos.com/calculator/pwhlgs88mt

Desmos

Desmos | Graphing Calculator

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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weeeeeird

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Huh

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I pasted the link and mines working fine

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Thats weird

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:36 PM

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solemn pulsar yeah if it were just [0, 1, 2] that would be ideal

wdym?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:36 PM

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like you can't have 1.5 bonuses, so everything that's not a discrete point is technically useless, but I like how graphs look so

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:36 PM

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ok

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So the % bonus is not taken into account

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Like the 20% bonus from god keepsakes?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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that only applies to Rare (same for chaos)

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Epic and duo/leg are flat 10% buffs regardless of display text

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Oh I thought we had it confirmed that all rarity buffs increased chance for duo/legendary as well

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I see

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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they do

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just only 10%

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Nifty

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themoreyouknow.jpg

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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huh this is neat

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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So all rarity %bonus only increases duo/leggy odds by 10%

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Just a flat number

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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correct

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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intersting

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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So the keepsakes make it 6x more likely to get a duo, and I reading that right?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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a keepsake is 1

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Nvm, green is hermes

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:39 PM

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So how is the y axis scaled?

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Is it your % chance?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:39 PM

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% chance on one 3 boon screen

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:39 PM

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ok

waxen relic Feb 23, 2021, 2:39 PM

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so is it the chance of a single option being an duo or of one or more duos in the options?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:39 PM

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.32->.52, that's still pretty significant though

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:39 PM

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one or more @waxen relic

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odds of seeing the duo you want when you have more than one active is a little trickier

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:40 PM

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do duos compete for slots? As in, is a slot determined to be Duo, then the duos/legendaries are rolled against that slot?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:41 PM

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yes

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:41 PM

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Okay, so in that case multiple duos are still independent

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:41 PM

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so having 2 duos available when you want one cuts your chances of seeing it not quite in half, but it's a useful way to think about it

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when planning, since odds of seeing more than one duo/leg slot are fairly low

waxen relic Feb 23, 2021, 2:42 PM

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and i presume this is with priority boons filled?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:42 PM

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nope

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rarity is rolled first

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then the boon is rolled

waxen relic Feb 23, 2021, 2:42 PM

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ah didn't know exactly

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:42 PM

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priority comes into play there, so only if the boon is common/rare/epic

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 2:42 PM

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I wonder if this math pans out to making it worthwhile to high roll Zeus by keeping his exhausted keepsake in Asphodel/Elysium if you already have a splitting bolt prereq :3

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:43 PM

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i mean depends on your build, other open duos, and your # of buffs

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you're rolling the chance of seeing him on top of the 50% odds, lower if you have other duos open

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and the opportunity cost of whatever keepsake you aren't equipping

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:47 PM

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@solemn pulsar Thanks for making that graph. Learning the math behind the game is amazing and I really like math

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:47 PM

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solemn pulsar rarity is rolled first

wait does this mean filling priorities doesn’t help get duos?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:48 PM

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like let's say you have god's legacy and keep his keepsake on, and have no other zeus duos enabled, that's 2 buffs, so about a 65% chance. Let's say you have a full god pool and see 4 boons throughout shops + rooms in elysium, you have a ~70% chance of seeing Zeus once. Fold that into the 65% chance, and you have a 45% chance of getting splitting bolt

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:48 PM

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edgy arrow wait does this mean filling priorities doesn’t help get duos?

correct

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helps you get T2 boons

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:48 PM

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mind = blown

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i’ve been playing that wrong for ages then

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:48 PM

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or more importantly

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helps you get the correct core boon from another god

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:48 PM

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brb gonna get 9 rarity boons for 100% legendary/duo chance

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if that's even possible

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:49 PM

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like if you're doing an ME build, taking zeus cast is great because it doesn't open up any duos with ares/athena, and if prevents either of them from offering you cast if you're still looking for attack/special/cast

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:49 PM

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pseudo girder if that's even possible

it is, but only with ungodly amounts of chaos gates

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:49 PM

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Someone should do that

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brb

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:49 PM

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so theoretically you can roll 3 duos with a priority open?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:49 PM

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as far as i know yes

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:50 PM

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obviously that’s absurdly unlikely

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huh, good to know

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:50 PM

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realistically you'll max out at 3 rarity buffs, nectar from eurydice, asphodel god keepsake, and god's legacy

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4 if you got a tartarus chaos rarity buff

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:51 PM

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assuming you got more chaos gates in asphodel and elysium, you'd realistically get 2 more

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:51 PM

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not really, tough to get the chaos buff you want

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and your nectar will have worn off by then

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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max chaos gates i’ve had in a run is i think 5

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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What about Exclusive Access?

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Would that help?

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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i think it might count as a buff, I don't remember and I can't pull up the code right now

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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you’d basically have to be routing to hit 100%

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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and if you're routing you can just get everything you want without buffs anyway

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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pretty sure i’ve heard before it makes no difference

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Exclusive Access, that is

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Really?

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:52 PM

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comes into effect after duos are rolled

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:53 PM

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huh

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so that's off the table, then

edgy arrow Feb 23, 2021, 2:53 PM

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i can’t actually remember who told me that, so it could be wrong

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 2:56 PM

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it would make sense

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since it never advertises itself as a rarity increase

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it just sets the minimum rarity to Epic

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so theoretically the code would be
if (boonRarity == common, rare) {
boonRarity = epic;
}

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this is just my own interpretation of it from c++, I have no access to the Hades source code

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...Hell, I don't even know if Hades is written in C++

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 3:08 PM

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You’d think so but a lot of things in the game don’t function as advertised haha

pseudo girder Feb 23, 2021, 3:12 PM

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Wouldn't surprise me if SGG had some other way of doing it, really

opal drift Feb 23, 2021, 4:13 PM

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duos are greater than epics in rarity anyway

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i think they may be even higher than heroics internally but its not like it matters since all the rarities in the game are quite unique, its probably a whole lot of unique cases and exceptions

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:13 PM

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Trying out 32 with Nemesis and keep dying to the Furies 😦

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Duos and Legendaries have the same rarity

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I timed out in TD3 as well

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Any tips for Stygius in general?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:16 PM

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how much have you played nemesis before? it can be a bit punishing since it requires a lot of precision with dash strikes

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:16 PM

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Not that much

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I need to learn the weapon a lot, yeah

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:16 PM

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at higher heat, id also recommend using your special mindfully, since while it has good aoe and damage, it leaves you vulnerable and using it at the wrong time or place can get you hit

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:16 PM

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not sure what weapon to do after rail tbh

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my best weapon is normally fists but they seem super dangerous

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and that's good to know about the special I've been too reckless with it

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:17 PM

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but yeah one thing about nemesis is that its very powerful but it is a bit demanding in that you need to hit dash strikes a lot

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id even recommend trying it out at lower heat just to get used to properly dash striking before amping up the heat

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:17 PM

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You also need to spend your best defensive resource offensively

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:17 PM

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you mean dashing?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Yeah

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You don't get iframes in dash strikes. I find it very difficult

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:17 PM

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Also, if I tried spear what is the easiest aspect? Achilles?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:18 PM

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oh yeah what ledger said is also true

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empty dashing is important

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also i found achilles easiest but the heathens in this chat might say hades spear (or, god forbid, g*an yu)

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:18 PM

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I think "most straightforward" is Guan Yu. Hades is great but has a learning curve. Zag Spear and Achilles have Flurry Jab builds but aren't great outside of that. Achilles also can do cast builds

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:18 PM

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at 32 you can just cheese it with a cast build

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32 isnt that strict w boons

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Is my pact set up suitable for most weapons? For weapons that can take damage control how do I change it?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:19 PM

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whats ur pact

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:19 PM

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Here is my pact:
HL 5
LC 4
CF2
EM3
BP2
UC
MM
TD3

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if I wanted damage control how would I change that around

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Hoo boy that's a hard 32 lmao

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

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What would you do instead for 32 out of curiosity?

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

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That's Schad setup from his tutorial ?

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

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yeah

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I did hestia 32 with it

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

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Is it? Yeah, I guess it's pretty subjective

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:20 PM

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I need to learn FO1 eventually lol

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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thats a hard 32 but it sets you up for doing higher heat nicely

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aside from avoiding FO

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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TD3 can be tough for beginners

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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What's the best way to learn FO1?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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I think I take for granted that BP2 FO2 is default in my mind.

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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by doing FO1

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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By doing Fo2

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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FO1 is fine

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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literally no other way lol

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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Once I learn it will FO1 be easier than TD3

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:21 PM

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we didnt go to some class to learn FO1, we just turned it on and cried when we died a lot

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:22 PM

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It should be, by a good margin. TD2 lets you take trial rooms, chests, non-free rooms etc.

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:22 PM

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but yeah I did LC4 partly to learn higher heat

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and good point, TD2 is very much more lenient

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:22 PM

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With TD2, you have time to chill a bit

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:22 PM

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bronze viper Hoo boy that's a hard 32 lmao

really?

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Thats my base setup

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:23 PM

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yeah i mean once u play with FO a lot it becomes a bit more manageable imo

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like i cant remember the last time ive had no FO on

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:23 PM

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going into game now to see what i typically do for ranged

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:23 PM

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the most difficult part of that setup is honestly TD3 imo

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if you can do that, and HL5 BP2 EM3 is alright (which is should be with no FO), then its fine really

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:24 PM

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imo I would do TD2 + FO1 instead of TD3 + FO0

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FO1 is not that hard

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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I dont mind td3

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Its not terrible

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Keep in mind, hell mode:
HL1 LC4 JS1 EM3 CP1 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD2 PL

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Would TD2 FO1 be a good change

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or would you change something else after adding FO1

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:25 PM

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honestly

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just try it out and see what works for you

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a lot of it is just how you personally find each pact

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HL5 FO1 might be rough, but maybe a more lenient timer is better for you

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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Ah ok hope I don't ask too many questions

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and thanks everyone for being so helpful 🙂

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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it's probably best to just mess around with some pacts and see what fits

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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I may go up to HL3 for LC2 if I have CF0 since I have a bunch of spare obols to spend on healing

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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a lot of weapons I'm not super experienced with so I have a lot of weapon specific questions

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:26 PM

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nah its fine, but just keep in mind that its always good to try things yourself and mess around

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also dont be afraid of dying, there will be a lot of it at higher heat lol

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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a lot

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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indeed

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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I do like how Meg is actually a threat again

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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i cant even count how many times ive just gotten owned in tartarus

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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at lower heats she becomes a joke lol

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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with FO meg sucks

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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yeah furies are genuinely very difficult

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i hate alecto the most

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esp w melee weapons

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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Same

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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It's a great sign for game health that people can have extremely variant setups at different heats depending on playstyle and priorities

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:27 PM

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yes 32 is very flexible, you can really change up your pact to suit how you play the game

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it does get a bit stricter at 40+ though

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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For melee aspects I tend to go EM2

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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at 32?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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Yeah

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:28 PM

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makes sense

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hm

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all this talk

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i might play some high heat today for the first time in a while lol

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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What's your normal poison?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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hit a speedrunning goal so might as well dip my toes back into here

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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oh nice

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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yeah i planned to do 45 heat all weapons a looong time ago before i got tilted trying to do nemesis 45 on my old keybinds

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now that i have an actual controller i think i'll revisit it

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Im doing 40 all weapons

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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maybe even 40 all aspects who knows

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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Idk how im going to do sword 40

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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I tried 40 gilgamesh for an hour and hated everything

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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lol

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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i found nemesis to be the easiest for sword 40

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though some might prefer poseidon

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i think by 40, arthur falls off hard

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and zag sword is zag sword

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:30 PM

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I am dreading every non-poseidon 40. I'm already planning on just high rolling Tidal Dash for all swords

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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spear shouldn't be terrible

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I might just go GY for 40

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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I'm very bad with spear but that's just me needing to learn the weapon

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do people change around pacts for GY?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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you dont need to learn the weapon

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you can be like me

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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Probably not

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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or do people still use HL for GY

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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and say "spear bad LUL" and call it a day

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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People charge around pacts for everything lol

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But yeah, GY is no different.

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:31 PM

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yeah like i said, experimenting happens a lot

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:32 PM

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E.g. I got 51 Chiron by getting desperate and going against the conventional wisdom that DC doesn't matter on Chiron

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I correctly thought "But it matters on Zag Bow" and let me do that instead if that's what the hammers wanted from me :3

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:32 PM

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lol nyaa has been advocating against DC on chiron for ages

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and i do kinda agree

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yeah that line of thought is exactly why im not a huge fan of DC on chiron too

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imagine having to spend 2 seconds doing a full special for a numbskull

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:33 PM

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Or small stuff like Chain Shot, which is completely pointless with DC on Chiron but actually does decent work with DC0

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:34 PM

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yeah for sure

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DC just kinda

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makes everything such a slog

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:34 PM

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Killing 3 numbskulls or brimstones with 1 attack in Tartarus without using special feels dope.

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:34 PM

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the more i play the more i hate turning it on

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:34 PM

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DC I hate for elysium

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It makes armored eyes just a nightmare

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:35 PM

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Yeah, for sure. There aren't many aspects that can ignore DC

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:35 PM

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yeah very few really

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:36 PM

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(sup Eris). DC1 has no cost on Rama but DC2 is still kind of annoying a lot of the time

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Yeah I should probably take off DC2 for my 38 boonless

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It causes so many problems

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Although I died to hades on my last attempt

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:36 PM

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really? i kinda take DC2 on rama most of the time

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why is DC1 vs DC2 different

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:36 PM

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Its just a pain

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:36 PM

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i like to spawn kill with rama but i dont value that enough to not take DC on it

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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DC1 means that the first Suffering ricochet will get rid of the heart always

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Bcs you can miss an arrow with special

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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In a crowded room, DC2 means you need to special a lot more to get hearts off and spread debuff

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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^^^

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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hm i suppose thats true

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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It doesn't mean I don't always take DC2 on Rama at high heat. It's totally manageable

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But not free

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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my thing is that i dont think thats too much of an issue compared to the other pacts, with rama

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:37 PM

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I spend so much time specialling

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with dc2

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:38 PM

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It's why I prioritize Dio special so highly

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:38 PM

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dio special goes hard

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:38 PM

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It also does so much work against small annoying enemies

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:41 PM

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I heard that Rama zeus special is gud

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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it is gud

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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its nice for tart imo

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Splitting Bolt is gud

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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splitting 😩

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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Double strike

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:42 PM

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You kind of need splitting bolt to not feel gimped by Elysium though lol

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Or Double Strike + Static Discharge

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You can medium high roll it though, since you can just your attack like normal until you get splitting bolt

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:43 PM

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i dont think its worth using over the attack even w splitting, as long as u get a half decent hammer

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:43 PM

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Static Discharge on special is fire by itself

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:43 PM

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rama's base attack just does so much damage

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by "use over the attack" i mean like as a primary damage source

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:44 PM

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I haven't mathed it out, it's possible attack makes it still worth it. But I'd doubt it?

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:44 PM

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DC felt very easy for some weapons at 16 heat

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it's amazing how some pacts like JS become much harder as you raise heat

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I had to realize JS was not the free heat I thought it was lol

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:45 PM

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DC gets really threatening with a combo of FO2, BP2, Dad skulls, timer constraints etc.

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:45 PM

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i personally haaaaate JS and CP

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Yeah it's by far my least favorite thing about hell mode

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:45 PM

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they're like the last things i turn up

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Even counting getting hit 20 times in a row from Witches because of Personal Liability

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Personal Liability makes Tartarus super scary lol. Brimstones and random Linker 😦

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And much later on with Snakestones, RIP

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:47 PM

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What tips do you guys have for super dad(Hl5, EM4, CP2, FO2)?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:47 PM

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No tips. Git really gud

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:47 PM

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^

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nobody knows how to do that except retrash

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Try it out on sheild, Chiron, or Hestia to get a feel for mechanics

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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and he knows how to do it because hes done it 5 bajillion times

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all i can say is practice and game better

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Make a temp save if you can (womp womp in your case)

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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CP2 EM4 sounds like it would take so long

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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yes

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it does LOL

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thats actually the reason baj was considering moving down from 62 to 61

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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CP2 superdad healing is such a kick in the nads

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DAD STAHP

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:48 PM

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bc that 1 extra point in CP is actually very impactful

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:49 PM

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shy gulch nobody knows how to do that except retrash

I've not actually tried it but I'm planning on doing it

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:49 PM

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But more seriously, try out HL0 CP0 EM4 FO2 DC0 first and get comfy, then work your way up

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

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ive only done it a couple times to say i've done it

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ive never ever done it in the context of high heat

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

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And keep in mind the fight takes like 5 minutes if you play well

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

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Yeah I'm just taking those pact conditions

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Nothing else

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

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So TD3 + EM4 is usually a death sentence

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:50 PM

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It adds up to 26 heat

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with td2

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:51 PM

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Don't try to speed run it at first. Focus on dodging, learning his animations, and managing summons

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Also focus on not getting Sneaks lol. It's an important skill

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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I can dodge his spins

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Using i-frames

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I've not attempted super dad yet

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Yeah, his spin is by far the most manageable attack he has on FO2

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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But em4 spins I can dodge

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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Because he always does 2 in phase 1

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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yeah ik

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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In phase 2 he can mix it up with a 100 damage spear chuck blegh

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:52 PM

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It caught me off guard in my first em4

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His spear chuck is definitely the worst for me

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:54 PM

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Also if I have a chance to catch a couple of summons + dad in a Meg, then I'll take it. Otherwise save it to shorten phase 3

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:54 PM

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And Fo2 is probably going to be a nighmare with spear chuck

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Superdad w/ vs. w/o F02 is a completely different encounter

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Yeah I'll see how it goes

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I'll ping you if I get it done

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Probably not

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:55 PM

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Good luck! I still haven't done it on a non-coward aspect lol

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I planned to grind the fight out in a temp save to practice for 54 Rama

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:56 PM

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i think my first time doing it was zag bow of all things

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:56 PM

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Interesting. I'd say Twin Shot Zag bow has a pretty hard time with that fight

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Your range is just a wee bit too small to safely kite the spins and still dps optimally

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

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I want to try it with a fun weapon

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

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yeah i dont know why i chose zag bow but you know

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it happened

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i like zag bow a lot so thats prob why lol

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

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not hestia

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

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hestia is fun 😔

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Try Lucifer

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Yeah lucy is one of my favorites

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Hesita is meh

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Hestia is bestia

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 4:58 PM

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sorta

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hazard bomb carried through my hestia 40 so idk what to say

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hestia is kind of bestia

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I for some reason though Hazard bomb couldn't be aimed and always landed at your current location. Am I crazy? Was it ever that way?

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Idk

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 5:01 PM

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ive never seen it that way but i also wasnt an EA player

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Hestia my only 32 clear so far

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Yeah idk. I definitely didn't take it that often in EA so I can't remember for sure. Maybe I'm misremembering and I'm thinking about the process of hitting a Lucy hazard bomb then iframing out of the blast range

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 5:03 PM

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I haven’t played lucifer much at all, it is only level 1 though

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How much does it rely on blood investment to be okay

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:03 PM

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Apparently Triple Bomb is the truth

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So all of it?

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I'm so used to playing w/ Auto Aim though that to not have it is very jarring. But it's definitely necessary on Lucy

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 5:04 PM

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Idk I have 1lvl in lucy

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At 20 ish heat you dont need triple bomb

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 5:05 PM

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50 dmg on special at lvl 1 is less that the other rails

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You want Lucifer at max lvl

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 5:06 PM

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i dont use the special that much until higher heat

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My main damage out put is my attack at 20 ish heat

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 5:09 PM

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Any tips on Rama use? I find the charging up power shot risky

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Rama is very cool but I’m not used to it

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Also Rama can take DC at 32 right?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:10 PM

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Rama can take whatever at whatever

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It's definitely the most pact-resistant aspect in the game

wintry berry Feb 23, 2021, 5:11 PM

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You can get used to the charge without powershot at first

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I'd say if you're brand new to the aspect, to get used to the power shot with FO0

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Turn off the timer, and stay disciplined to look for Power Shots, particularly in positions where you can hit 2+ enemies

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Also a good habit. Instead of looking for a position far away to hit things, try timing a dash to iframe an enemy during their attack animation, then starting a charge at this point

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This is particularly useful for say, Dracons, since (counterintuitively) Rama's attack does not destroy projectiles, so you are looking for a world of hurt to try to snipe Dracons from across the screen with a power shot

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The special is excellent for destroying projectiles though, and for safety I end up spamming special a lot against Witches.

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Play one run of Rama and then watch tail

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And then do another trying to do what he does

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That was my strat

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:17 PM

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Yeah, his positioning and decision making is out of this world

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 5:17 PM

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I died to Alecto my first run with it lol

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Was just playing it so badly

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Stood still and charged and was like wow this bow sucks

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 5:18 PM

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rama feels pretty relaxing to me now

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even on 50 heat

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Yeah it's super good

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 5:18 PM

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just not when i get sacked

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:18 PM

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I analyzed a lot of his EM4 runs and I still can't actually parse how he finds these single digit pixel and frame windows to get a power shot in that fight

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

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yeah EM4 im keeping off

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i want to know i can close the fight when i see the bag

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

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true fable even on 50 heat

Yeah, EM4 stresses me the hell out but 50 Rama is pretty chill otherwise

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 5:19 PM

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retrash keeps trying to get me to do it

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the absolute madman

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side note, coin purse start on nem has been pretty reliable i think

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for 50 heat

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although im not sure how much i actually like hell mode

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turns out having CP1 on all the time actually makes you slower

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I feel pretty confident that you don't like it

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Because of the aforementioned cp1

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 5:33 PM

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unique zephyr Any tips on Rama use? I find the charging up power shot risky

My tip is put a terrible boon on the attack (zeus). This will force you to learn how to powershot correctly

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 5:34 PM

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shy plinth I feel pretty confident that you don't like it

yeah but PL is so nice

honest kernel Feb 23, 2021, 5:39 PM

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I used to make hangover special builds it was pretty chill and fun tbh

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but you def need to powershot for the big dmg

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 5:44 PM

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i legit think dio special might be the only boon im particularly attached to on 50 heat rama

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i'll take any % attack boon thats not tempest strike

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actually

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maybe i'll start taking tempest strike if it's rare or better

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 5:53 PM

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seastorm rama

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:08 PM

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I got charged skewer in Elysium

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And executed by Asterius

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But I've seen Elysium today

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and that's good

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:08 PM

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wait

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theres a haiku in here

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i got charged skewer

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in elysium first room

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died to minotaur

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:09 PM

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lmao

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:09 PM

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that should be like an informal rule here

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if you want to complain about your run you have to do it in poem format

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astaos did you not take tooth?

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or did you need shackle

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Acorn it was

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I took it for Lernie and it did its job

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I just got 2 unlucky drifts from Asterius, like I was hugging the wall but nope

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:11 PM

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ah

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the charges?

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:11 PM

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yep

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:13 PM

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gaunt fiber I just got 2 unlucky drifts from Asterius, like I was hugging the wall but nope

this is not a haiku

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😦

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Complain about your victories in haiku

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:13 PM

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Oh it's too bad I can't acces my chat history

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:14 PM

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@true fable you're right there should be a rule

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:14 PM

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Message from Bright was too much

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:14 PM

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lol

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:14 PM

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I'm bad at this game
But SGG took pity
Now I have WR

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:15 PM

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this game is so fun

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but i get sacked every time

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this game not so fun

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still waiting for tailesque to barrel roll us in iambic pentameter

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:34 PM

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Thanks for Rama tips! I wonder what weapon aspects have the easiest time with FO and which have the hardest

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Just so I know what weapons to use when playing FO

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:35 PM

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Arthur is the one that you will consistently hear about

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I think it's fine with FO1 but it is certainly harder than other weapons

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:37 PM

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slow attacking weapons in general yeah

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i think something like hestia is quite good at FO2 because like

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its not too affected by it

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Arthur is the only one I can think of that has a uniquely hard time dealing with FO2

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Melee aspects in general will have to deal with being closer to enemies with less time to react I guess

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:39 PM

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sords

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:40 PM

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shy gulch i think something like **hestia** is quite good at FO2 because like

hestia you say

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:40 PM

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indeed mr esque

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:40 PM

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hestia? you mean zag rail with less ammo?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:40 PM

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rama can have trouble with FO2 if you're not used to it

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go away bright

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:40 PM

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lmao

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zag rail with less ammo, occasionally doing 50 base damage with a shot?

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why yes

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Excuse me Tail

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Have you tried sea storm hestia

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With ricochet fire

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:41 PM

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pretty sure i have never

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:41 PM

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I can't @ tyler

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:41 PM

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You should

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:42 PM

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He's left shadegrief

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Tyler took a break from the server I think

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Lmao, I'm always scared someone will pop into this channel for the first time at the wrong time and take what we're saying here as actual advice

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:42 PM

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Okay but actually I did it yesterday and it was kinda sick

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:42 PM

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You had hyper delivery Mr. Hat, your point is not valid

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:45 PM

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Shhh let's not dig into this one too much

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It was clearly the ricochet fire sea storm

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And definitely not hyper delivery billowing strength epic jolted

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:45 PM

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LUL

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:49 PM

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bronze viper Lmao, I'm always scared someone will pop into this channel for the first time at...

well sometimes they do come here for actual advice

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and the advice given is worse than whats being said

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like

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take RI4

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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When all else fails, seastorm rama

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:50 PM

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do you feel sufficiently derusted now

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:51 PM

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Oh for sure, I'm definitely up from where I was when I quit last.

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Though I've played a ton this last month

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:51 PM

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I sometimes have trouble telling actual advice vs jokes but usually can tell

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But I ask to clarify

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 6:51 PM

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I feel derusted too

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but somehow I'm still bad

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:51 PM

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a good rule of thumb is

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if we're recommending sea storm, RI, or AP, it is most likely in jest

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unless you're playing very high heat, in which case RI or AP can become legitimate options

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:52 PM

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And we don't have to recommend them, people typically ask "Okay, I've taken it. Now what?"

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:52 PM

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The pins go a long way

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And if someone clearly needs support they get it

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:52 PM

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bronze viper When all else fails, seastorm rama

excellent advice

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:52 PM

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Yeah I looked at the pins

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What makes sea storm so terrible

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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We've had a bunch of first time 32 clears in the past month

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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I never see it offered

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Sea storm isn't terrible, it's a solid duo, especially with eris

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Yeah I got mine yesterday

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Duos in general are not great. And Tidal Dash isn't a prereq anymore

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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With Hestia

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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But it's great on multi hit poseidon stuff

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And that's not really a meta thing

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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Its just on rama and hestia it kinda sucks

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so everyone did it

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:53 PM

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To qualify what I meant, Duos are spectacular but they're not reliable so it's pretty easy to dismiss stuff that requires Duos to function at sufficiently high heat

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Also not all duos are created equally

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Doesn’t RI and AP kind of make duos not a thing

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At super high heat

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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I mean I somehow got deadly reversal on an ap2 hestia 40 run

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Correct

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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So I dont even know what to make of life anymore

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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i got calculated risk

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during my 50 attempt that made it to dad yesterday

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

#

The tutorial briefly mentions that Arthur does RI2 at 32 heat why is that?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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the joke is that most people use sea storm on tempest strike

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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cant remember what happened

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Or can at least

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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tempest strike is the bad one

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Calculated Risk is so legit vs. EM4 lmao

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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oh right i got sacked

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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Arthur gives health

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:54 PM

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tempest strike STINKY

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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true fable cant remember what happened

you won obviously

#

2sack and easy victory

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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and artur doesnt need boons

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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Oh it counteracts thick skin

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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arthur can run RI2 on 32 but i dont see why you would

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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daring hedge 2sack and easy victory

if i close my eyes and open vr chat its true

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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LOL

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

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I really need to learn FO1 lol

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:55 PM

#

and then i open them and see my second miniboss

#

and then a non miniboss chamber

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 6:56 PM

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At least I have most of the other heat base more or less down like EM3

#

And learning to use stubborn wasn’t so bad

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:56 PM

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there's nothing quite like your third styx tunnel being a normal encounter after two minibosses

#

really specific sense of dread

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:56 PM

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yup

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:56 PM

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yeah seeing the big chamber just

#

makes my heart sink so much

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:56 PM

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hey wait this isnt the sack chamber

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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at that point i always reset basically

#

i hate doing the big styx chambers

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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"ah, run is over then"

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

#

i usually just stand there and die like a man

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Is it dread? The run's over at the point right lol

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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same bright

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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but i decided to try for the fight

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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bronze viper Is it dread? The run's over at the point right lol

depression works too

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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3rd or 4th door inside the tunnel is dread

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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made it halfway through phase 2 before dying to a swing/deadline

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

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"please please please"

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:57 PM

#

bronze viper "please please please"

god i know this feel

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so much

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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shy gulch so much

same

#

Especially for patty buffs

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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speedrunning and doing TD3 really just

#

drives it home

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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don't know what you guys are talking about i always get 2sack big smile

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

#

:)

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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i dont even care about patty buff anymore

#

i dont see patty

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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LUL

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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My patty buff is about to go off right after 2 sack

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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SAME though

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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So of course I dont get it

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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just give me a sack so i dont die to timer

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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patty buff being carried to dad is a blessing from the heavens

#

i do not expect it to happen

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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at least then i have a fighting chance

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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literally just let me not die to timer yeah LOL

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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Let me die of my own badness pls & ty

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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My patty buffs are always so close

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Its like the game knows

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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I don't need the game helping me die

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:58 PM

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preach ledger

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

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It lasts one chamber after 2 sack

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

on every run that matters patty is missing

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

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every time

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

when you need the chamber time relief and the heals

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

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it is really unfortunate just how important patty is

#

the buff is stupidly good

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

yeah

#

60% attack dmg is no joke

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

#

LUL

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

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Whoever recommended nerfing Patty and buffing SD, I agree with that

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

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that was bright iirc

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but i do agree as well

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 6:59 PM

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10% for both yeah

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it'd be reasonable

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:00 PM

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itd be hard to make it work with skull earring but

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i think itd be worth

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:00 PM

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i kind of want to put it in test branch discussion

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but idk if amir checks that anymore

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:00 PM

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lol

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:00 PM

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true fable 60% attack dmg is no joke

Lmao

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:00 PM

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i like when someone just said "rama" there

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i hope amir does see that

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

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true fable 60% attack dmg is no joke

I know you're kidding but it's really good

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

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sorry "rama bow" #test-branch-discussion message

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

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gaunt fiber I know you're kidding but it's really good

it is

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just not as good as fifty percent more healing

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

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I've not taken it once in high heat runs

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The SD healing is just too good

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

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On a quick spin build I'll take it over dark touch

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no cap

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:01 PM

#

well

#

you can heal

#

see this is kind of message i cannot read in your erudite french voice

#

sounds too much like a meme post

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

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i've taken it on a couple desperate runs where i needed literally any damage increase to scoot me past the elysium line

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

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Yeah I was thinking about that

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

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bronze viper Whoever recommended nerfing Patty and buffing SD, I agree with that

That would be a good change

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

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And know you think I'm a degenerate

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

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daring hedge i've taken it on a couple desperate runs where i needed literally any damage inc...

Yeah that's it

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:02 PM

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because you are

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...

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right

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:03 PM

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If I have Deadly strike I'll pick touch of styx most likely

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:03 PM

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I was stupidly lucky on my 32 clear I had patty into dad, although I had 1 acorn charge left anyway finishing the fight

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It was 2 sack too

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:03 PM

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patty 2sack is always blessed

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but i've still choked on runs with that lol

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Losing patty2sack runs feels the ultimate bad though lmao

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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gaunt fiber If I have Deadly strike I'll pick touch of styx most likely

ok this makes no sense

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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daring hedge but i've still choked on runs with that lol

Same

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I choked a boonless 38 with rama at hades so hard

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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wouldnt the damage be so good with cyclops jerky deadly strike?

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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I got hit like 5 times in a row

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

#

It would be really good

#

indeed

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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bright mango I choked a boonless 38 with rama at hades so hard

How do boonless runs work

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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like wouldnt deadly strike be even better justification to take it

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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unique zephyr How do boonless runs work

take shackle

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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They sound interesting

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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yeah deadly strike would want jerky the most

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:04 PM

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But if you have deadly strike your run is not desperate

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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Unbind whichever boon you get

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

#

Hence it's fine to take dark touch

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imo

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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arent your runs always desperate

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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high heat GY is always desperate

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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thanks guys

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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lol

halcyon flame Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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also take fated authority on boonless

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

#

Astoas about to get this dub in a few days

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

#

But yeah on 50+

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

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Its going to happen

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

#

imperdable

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:05 PM

#

it depends what heat we're talking about I guess

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:06 PM

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what does imperdable mean?

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Lol, I think Astaos's sense of "desperate" is probably on a different plane of existence

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:06 PM

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unloseable?

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:06 PM

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you cant die I believe

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Its a french term

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:06 PM

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true fable unloseable?

exactly

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:06 PM

#

i see

#

is @plush scaffold part of team imperdable now

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

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Yeah unloseable is probably a better term

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

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or are you still trying to recruit

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

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"Okay, leaving Asphodel with 90 health, Triple Jab and Frost Flourish. This is fine."

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

#

Well we have not seen Lili in a while

#

but sure he's part of the clan

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

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bronze viper "Okay, leaving Asphodel with 90 health, Triple Jab and Frost Flourish. This is ...

This is actually pretty good

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:07 PM

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yeah i thini ive heard astaos say those words exactly ledger

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:08 PM

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Frost flourish aint bad

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:08 PM

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cope

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

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It's good damage

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you can't really stack chill though

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But I'm happy with it

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

#

I think frost strike is better

#

For gy

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

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Yeah but you need some rarity

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

#

you've had some pretty good runs with it

#

yeah

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

#

or else, meh

#

but yeah frost strike is excellent

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:10 PM

#

getting Epic Deadly Strike still feels like I've gotten special, because my lizard brain sees purple

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:10 PM

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purple good

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:10 PM

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Purple smurple

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Smurple burple

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burple good

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Purple = burple

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therfore purple = good

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what did i write

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:11 PM

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No idea

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:11 PM

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I assumed you were seizing

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:11 PM

#

does not seem to be a haiku either

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Uh

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Mods can we get that pinned

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:12 PM

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Purple smurple
Its purple with burple
burple is goodle
Goodle purp

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Thats a haiku

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:13 PM

#

wat

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:13 PM

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I need to check the haiku rules

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:13 PM

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17 syllables

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

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5-7-5 right

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

#

oh it is

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

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idk man

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

#

lemme write another one

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

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Also that is 18 syllables lmao what have you done

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

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bronze viper Also that is 18 syllables lmao what have you done

its 17

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

#

runs are like haikus

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same sack as syllable count

#

the third line, that is

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Purplepul burple
Burple lurple purplelul
Purple lurpulul

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

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wow

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

#

Thats my haiiku

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

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The drunk man haiku

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:15 PM

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high-ku

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:16 PM

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isnt line 2 6 syllables

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:16 PM

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solar maple the third line, that is

quality haiku

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:16 PM

#

wait bright is right

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:16 PM

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fixed it

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

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are yall doing ok

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

#

purple smurple its
purple with burple burple
is goodle Goodle [purp]

18 (also what did I just type I think I'm a worse person now lmfao)

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

#

High heat channel says
Sea Storm Rama is OP
Memes are not just dreams

#

K we can get that one pinned

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

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daring hedge are yall doing ok

tail. we're in a high heat channel

#

nobody here is doing ok

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

#

that's true

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:17 PM

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This is how we cope with TD3 and AP2 lol

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:18 PM

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oh it is 18

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:18 PM

#

Approval Process
Drives all heat runners insane
Amir pls help us

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:18 PM

#

My fingers were counting wrong

#

I held up my thumb and two pointers and read that as 7 with 5 on my other hand

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:19 PM

#

I actually know what you're talking about lmao

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:19 PM

#

lol

#

it just looks like 2

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:19 PM

#

whats why you do pinky ring middle

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:20 PM

#

high heat counting strategies

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:20 PM

#

lmao

#

what has this channel become

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:20 PM

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always been like this billy

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:22 PM

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a good run in styx
surely a win in the bag
wait. where is the bag

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I know I should learn FO1, it scares me tho, I’ll strip down the harder stuff and play with it for a while maybe

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I had world record
For sea storm rama but then
Nyaanya ruined it

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:23 PM

#

Running TD3
Five sacked again, OMG
Nobody tell schad

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:23 PM

#

why me

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:23 PM

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that was fast

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:24 PM

#

😒 🍽️ 🎩

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:24 PM

#

Schad if I recall you're not a huge fan of the sack mechanic

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:24 PM

#

Schad is an eris
main that is very cringe, right
eris will go brrrr

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:24 PM

#

raise your hand if you're a huge fan of the sac mechanic

#

cricket noises *

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:25 PM

#

I missed with a Meg
I only blame myself now
I die to Gorgon

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:25 PM

#

there you go, point delivered

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:25 PM

#

I’m not good at haikus

#

Sack sucks yeah

#

I don’t know how I would change it though

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:26 PM

#

Blue lernie head is
So very much toxic right
Kill me in one hit

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:27 PM

#

white and gold lernie head

daring hedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:27 PM

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unique zephyr I don’t know how I would change it though

TD limiting the max tunnels needed for it to show up

#

literally all it would take

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:28 PM

#

Mods should rename this
Channel to epic haiku
It would be epic

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:28 PM

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unique zephyr I missed with a Meg I only blame myself now I die to Gorgon

Beautiful

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:28 PM

#

bright mango Blue lernie head is So very much toxic right Kill me in one hit

Truth

#

Y'all so talented

waxen relic Feb 23, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

Mirrorless is very fun
until there is no healing
then you are soon dead

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:29 PM

#

Thank you Astaos
The guan yu main who is going to
Complete 50 heat

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:30 PM

#

Swap two letters in my name and we're good

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:31 PM

#

The killer of runs
Just screw you tiny vermin
Go die in a hole

plush scaffold Feb 23, 2021, 7:32 PM

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true fable is <@393134674718752770> part of team imperdable now

I'm not sure I understood the meaning of this ping ^_^

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:33 PM

#

have you heard of french hades esports team imperdable

plush scaffold Feb 23, 2021, 7:34 PM

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I didn't knew there was a french team no, who are the players ?

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:34 PM

#

astaos

#

that is all i know of

plush scaffold Feb 23, 2021, 7:34 PM

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If Astaos is in the team, no need for another player 😉

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:34 PM

#

@gaunt fiber nows your chance to recruit lili

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:36 PM

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plush scaffold If Astaos is in the team, no need for another player 😉

Well that's kind and a bit sad at the same time lmao

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:37 PM

#

Join Imperdable
Promise you won't regret it
Pwetty Pwetty pls

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:37 PM

#

So Lili. With BSK and Titi we basically created the IMPERDABLE team

plush scaffold Feb 23, 2021, 7:37 PM

#

So you ain't the only, that's the full french hades gang

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:37 PM

#

with you

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:37 PM

#

At the beginning it was a gimmick to give some courage when the run was lost (ie GY losing 2 DDs at Lernie)

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:37 PM

#

they would have 2 guan yu players and 2 eris players

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:38 PM

#

You're their last planeteer.

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:38 PM

#

two players of the best aspect

#

and two players of the

#

anyway

#

it would be balanced

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:39 PM

#

true fable two players of the best aspect

what's the best aspect brighto? :3

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 7:39 PM

#

guan yu of course

#

squirtheh

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:40 PM

#

I see I see thanthink

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:40 PM

#

true fable and two players of the

Good

thick lark Feb 23, 2021, 7:42 PM

#

Hello there

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:43 PM

#

Is this the speedrunning discord

#

Did I misclick

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:43 PM

#

Hey BSK

#

The origin

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:46 PM

#

this is the guan yu worshipping discord

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 7:46 PM

#

sup

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:46 PM

#

We worship Guan Yu
Speedrunners are showing up
What is happening

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 7:47 PM

#

im not a speedrunner i'm not even top 10 any heat

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Well you can still go fast

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:48 PM

#

speedrunners? in MY high heat channel??

#

say it aint so

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:48 PM

#

No say it is so

#

I like them

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:49 PM

#

"im not a speedrunner" -cgull, HC qualifier, sent while he's digging a grave for ronnie in preparation of next week

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:49 PM

#

rain sedge "im not a speedrunner" -cgull, HC qualifier, sent while he's digging a grave for...

iM NoT a SpEeDruNner

solemn pulsar Feb 23, 2021, 7:49 PM

#

more like digging a grave for myself bc i have no practice time this week

thick lark Feb 23, 2021, 7:49 PM

#

we are all [Imperdable]

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:50 PM

#

speedr*nners 🤢

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:50 PM

#

The imperdable
Powerful, majestic
Dying is for fiends

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:53 PM

#

The Imperdable, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, Overwhelming, Gorgeous, Passionate, Terrifying, Beautiful, Powerful, Guan Yu Main Astaos

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:53 PM

#

thats not a haiku

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:53 PM

#

banne

thick lark Feb 23, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

zagluv

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

it needs to be a haiku

#

Everything here needs to be a haiku now

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

bronze viper The Imperdable, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, O...

LMAO

#

this is so good

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

Lmao

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

Astoas got killed

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:54 PM

#

It's amazing

thick lark Feb 23, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

haha

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

bronze viper The Imperdable, Fearless, Sensual, Mysterious, Enchanting, Vigorous, Diligent, O...

Are those the Zote adjectives????

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

yes

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

I love him

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

including Imperdable.

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:55 PM

#

What's harder, the heat you're currently on or full pantheon

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

Full pantheon so booorring though. Always the same. Then you get your teeth kicked in by radiance sempai. Repeat.

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

I found pantheon of hallownest harder than 50 heat myself

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

Abs rad is the worst

#

Like the actual worst

#

Pure vessel is hard, NKG is hard

#

Abs rad is terrible

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

I love the absrad fight personally but not after slogging through 40 other bosses

hardy thistle Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

It's just pain

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

shy plinth I love him

?

#

@gaunt fiber

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

Grey prince zote

#

From Hollow Knight

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

weirdchamp this post pls

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

I don't think absolute radiance is harder than 50 heat but my will to fight has already been degraded so much at that point

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:56 PM

#

I know what you are talking about

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

I think the PoH overall is harder, ledger

#

absrad by herself is not

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

If it is your wish

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

it is my wish

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

Who cannot love zote

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

He hits you with his butt

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

I don’t know what we’re talking about, if this is hollow knight I need to play more of that

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

Yes it is

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

This is not haiku
Should be banned for no haiku
So outrageous

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

Play hollow knight

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

I’m at the very beginning

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

it is hollow knight

#

and you should play more of it

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

It's so good

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

good game

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

Really good

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

high heat hollow knight strategies

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:57 PM

#

One of my all time faves

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

exactly ledger

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

"Don't get hit by the radiance"

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

“game better”

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

I got it for $7.50 good deal I’d say

#

On steam sale

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

There is a lot of overlap between hollow knight and Hades' communities lol.

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

It's easily 40+ hours of content

#

Like just the main story

hardy thistle Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

unique zephyr I got it for $7.50 good deal I’d say

Damn that's nice

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:58 PM

#

hollow knight is an amazing game, one of the very best platformers I've played
zote is an awful character
if we continue like this there's gonna be a purple name nuking the channel

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

Yes

#

Listen to Schad

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

I have over 180 hours in hades and still playing

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

best pacts for 32?

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

schad with yet another bad opinion

#

zote is goated

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

SIR

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

disappointed but not surprised

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

bronze viper best pacts for 32?

The one in schlad’s tutorial?

#

Except FO1 over TD3

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 7:59 PM

#

thanks

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

Idk though

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

See? Now we're in the clear

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

Actually if I can take damage control

#

What do I change

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

Hard labor probs

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:00 PM

#

HL5 just makes things more complicated when you're learning other stuff. Cuts your mistakes in half

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

Yeah I am used to BP2 EM3 and MM at least

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

HL5 is basically half of your effective HP

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

Although not FO versions

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

imagine playing with half HP

#

yikes

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

Better than RI

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

free heat

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

Or approval process

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

I'm joking, I'm poking at astaos

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 8:01 PM

#

https://tenor.com/1Lkb.gif

Tenor

關公關羽青龍偃月刀

▶ Play video

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

#

R12 is basically free heat for Astaos

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

#

It seems like heightened security is more so filling in final heat points for super high heat than an actual good heat option

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

#

yes

#

I use it 40+

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Can you skip HS even at 40

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Easily yes

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

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you could

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

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Or is 40 when it starts being necessary

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:02 PM

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HL5 RI2 GY really does start with 1/8th health

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:03 PM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llcyob/oof_ouch/ @gaunt fiber for your magma-loving stream today

r/HadesTheGame - Oof ouch

10,613 votes and 229 comments so far on Reddit

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:03 PM

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It's never "necessary" you will just find that at some threshold, HS is less revolting than every other pact you could take

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:03 PM

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Magma is good because of stubborn defiance tech

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:03 PM

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No my hestia 40 Ididnt take HS. I did take ap2 tho

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So I would take HS over AP2

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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I feel like I’d only do AP at 50+ or so, I haven’t climbed heat yet tho

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Still trying 6 x 32

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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40 is around where I start taking it

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Nah ap1 is fine at 40

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Maybe start raising heat for Hestia

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Ap2 is terrible

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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That used to be my opinion but Shackle makes the pact so much less literally the worst thing that's ever happened in a video game

unique zephyr Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Which is worse AP1 or RI1

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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Ri1

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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RI1

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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RI1

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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RI1

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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not remotely close

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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^^^

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Ap1 isnt bad

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:04 PM

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AP2 vs RI1 though..

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:05 PM

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At all

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I still don't know the answer to that

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sadly that's the option you need at 50

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:05 PM

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AP1 is the most common "well this is 'free'" heat you'll find at 40+

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:05 PM

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rain sedge https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/llcyob/oof_ouch/ <@!2380409137152...

I've seen it already sigh

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:05 PM

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it is tho

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idk for me

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I guess I should just go Fo2 and get rid of ap

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:05 PM

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I would never suggest RI1 for anything below like 45

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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We all know it sucks and feels bad but it doesn't really impact win percentage by a significant amount. What it does do is restrict meme duo builds lol

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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After ap2 shackle became my favorite keepsake

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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AP1 is a big loss

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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eh

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Debatable

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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no

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:06 PM

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For hestia at 40 ap is easy heat

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Like very easy heat

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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AP1 I think is bad on most weapons for 40

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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agree

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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you kind of have to start taking it at 45 or so

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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id rather not take AP1 at 40 if possible

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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bronze viper AP1 is the most common "well this is 'free'" heat you'll find at 40+

I swear to the lord I had a Real Talk about this yesterday

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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I had ap2 on for my hestia 40 and didnt get an attack boon till the end of elysium. I'm never taking it again

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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for hestia though its usually fine

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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rain sedge I swear to the lord I had a Real Talk about this yesterday

You did tho

shy gulch Feb 23, 2021, 8:07 PM

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schad pulled out the crackpot math

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:08 PM

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Frog got kinda beaten up

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:08 PM

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@rain sedge have you seen my double magma death today / tyler clip?

bright mango Feb 23, 2021, 8:09 PM

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where is the clip?

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:09 PM

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I was there when it happened yes

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have you considered making save file to practice for lernie?

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:10 PM

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It was art imo

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:10 PM

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rain sedge have you considered making save file to practice for lernie?

Yes kinda

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:10 PM

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If you ever find the coveted all white lernie head boss it's worth making a save lmao

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:10 PM

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It seems a bit ridiculous but I feel like I could use it

solar maple Feb 23, 2021, 8:10 PM

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if lernie ever does an attack other than slam, assume he's about to slam immediately after he's done with it

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:11 PM

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Or with white lernie heads, assume the bubbles mean he's already halfway through the slam animation

rain sedge Feb 23, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I still think pause buffering will help

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I have a hard time with the red circles

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But it's not my only problem

wanton plover Feb 23, 2021, 8:12 PM

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my old man eyes cant see tiny vermin

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:12 PM

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gaunt fiber I have a hard time with the red circles

Reminds me of one of my favorite F10s from EA

https://imgur.com/a/S1g68oK

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*sigh*

gaunt fiber Feb 23, 2021, 8:12 PM

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Wow

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I kinda want to share that moment but it would be self promotion

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Lol, I like how the circle is distorting its own shape to justify hitting me.

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 8:16 PM

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Wut

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I guess lernie took seeking fire

bronze viper Feb 23, 2021, 8:17 PM

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BP2 should affect boss/miniboss summons don't @ me

shy plinth Feb 23, 2021, 8:18 PM

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Oh yes Em4 needs to be harder

true fable Feb 23, 2021, 8:18 PM

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maybe it is time for me to become imperdable