#h1-high-heat-strategies

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dire steppe
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that seems doable right

bronze viper
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I saw the IRL pomegranate run

dire steppe
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what the hell is an irl pomegranate run

bronze viper
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Someone rigged actuators by slicing a pomegranate into a makeshift controller, sec, looking for the link

solemn pulsar
neat sonnet
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uhhhhhhhh

bright mango
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wow thats a thing

dire steppe
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wtf

shy plinth
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Rudeism is OP

solemn pulsar
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that was a clear from fresh file too BTW

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not a maxed save

shy plinth
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Fresh Produce %

bronze viper
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lmao

wanton plover
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fresh file runs made me realize how much i take for granted

bright mango
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yeah I tried one and died to meg

bronze viper
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It's hard in general, but the bad Zag aspect makes it maximally rub-ins

shy plinth
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Yeah level 1 zag aspect RI4

edgy arrow
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he didn’t clear on fresh file

shy plinth
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Except you're real likely to see merciful end, can't get calls, and won't have to deal with wringers or fury/lernie rng

edgy arrow
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it took several runs

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but even so yeah

solemn pulsar
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the 80 darkness 4th run strat isn't too bad

shy gulch
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thats still fresh file is it not

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just not first run

solemn pulsar
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i got it done in just under 40 minutes RTA

wanton plover
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yes actually true

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someone asked for some advice about first runs tho so i wanted to try and help

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i eventually gave up

shy plinth
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Honestly for first run if someone is asking for advice they probs shouldn't do it

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It's just pure game mechanics

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There are some specifics for speedrunning etc but like... you just have to not get hit for a while

bronze viper
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At least you get deflect? yay

shy plinth
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ME is really likely

bronze viper
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Oh lol, I didn't know you could get duos

shy plinth
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Yeah

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The pool is restricted on gods

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So athena and ares are guaranteed I think

bright mango
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i tried doing a fresh file and died to meg

shy plinth
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No calls though

bright mango
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You just do like no damage

shy gulch
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fresh file is hard yeah

bronze viper
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I remember when I unlocked Zag Spear for the first time, and I thought "holy cow this thing TRUCKS"

shy plinth
bronze viper
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Considering my 1 point of comparison, I mean... I wasn't wrong lol

shy plinth
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This was Vorime's screen

bronze viper
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Wow I suck. I think my best time on my HM save is 16:30 lmao

bright mango
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HM?

shy plinth
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I mean it's Vorime

bronze viper
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Hell Mode

bright mango
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oh ok

shy gulch
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vorime is what we in the biz call a god gamer

rain sedge
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I did stream it, I'll save the vod, and I did narrate it

bright mango
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nice

rain sedge
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unsure if the narration was helpful but hey

bright mango
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you should put the link in the pinned messages

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If you can

bronze viper
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You should play Eris to give people a realistic expectation for average damage and clear speed

bright mango
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lmao

rain sedge
bright mango
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cool

rain sedge
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it's unmonetised channel anyway

bright mango
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Im watching it rn

rain sedge
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don't want to be one of those people who abuse big discord to get views

bright mango
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V I E W S

rain sedge
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also I think the essence of the gameplay is easier to demonstrate with hestia

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because you can focus on the game, rather than the aspect

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with eris I imagine I have to explain eris stuff

shy plinth
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"global 75% damage good"

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But also yes I think hestia is a good aspect to use

bronze viper
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Yeah I think Hestia and Zag Bow are probably the most "do this one thing" aspects in the game

shy plinth
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Not super powerful, very clear what you're doing

bronze viper
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Zag Bow probably even more so since you don't even press special lol

shy plinth
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Chiron kinda too

rain sedge
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I died at heroes at 53 heat on strim

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yikes

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but I think I played that heroes best I could

gaunt fiber
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Ely scary

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Game scary

bright mango
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Lmao if you have ap2 you will get spread fire @rain sedge

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I can relate so hard

rain sedge
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so many 56 heats ruined by that

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you know how you sound different on recording than you think?

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xD

bright mango
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lol

shy plinth
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You get used to it

bright mango
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get used to what?

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oh the voice

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nvmd

gaunt fiber
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yeah the Hat is right

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I can almost hear myself now

solar maple
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I solve this by just never speaking out loud

gaunt fiber
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this is sad Pseudo

unique zephyr
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Thanks for the stream, @rain sedge , when will the vod be pinned? I want to reference it myself

rain sedge
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yeah I'll do it soon, just making sure I didnt say anything bad in the video

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other than not knowint spread fire not affecting hesita I think what I said was accurate

gaunt fiber
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yeah it was good content

rain sedge
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it is a long tutorial

bright mango
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Wtf why are the 40 runs which I’m not expecting to win actually work

gaunt fiber
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would be nice to timestamp it

rain sedge
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I'm making a highlight of it

bright mango
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I went through most of elysium without an attack boon

rain sedge
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just checking that the info I said is accurate

gaunt fiber
bright mango
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I’m going into styx rn

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Somehow got deadly reversal final shop

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Ap2

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Ok here we go hades fight

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Will i choke

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Probably

sullen minnow
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I walked into hades full of 3 DDs and swagger thinking I was going to get my first 40 clear and got clacked 🙈

bright mango
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WTF I DID IT

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HOWW

bright mango
rain sedge
bright mango
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I swear all my high heat runs are like not supposed to happen

rain sedge
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oh did I a wrong math on the video

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xD

gaunt fiber
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like for a SD

rain sedge
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my maths skills NotLikeThis

gaunt fiber
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I appreciate your efforts with GY though

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we reached room 2 maybe?

rain sedge
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pepelaugh

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it's so hard

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omg

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I did not

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used the targetting system that I took

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for anything

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I didn't even use it for summon damage

gaunt fiber
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R E D O I T

rain sedge
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I could've shown the thing

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it's fine whatever

bright mango
sullen minnow
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Zag bow

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And yeah em4 whooped me lol

bright mango
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Oof

rain sedge
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dont take EM4 at 40

bright mango
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Em4 probably not the best idea at 40

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Yeah

daring hedge
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lol i had a 52 up for a while now

bright mango
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Oh

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Woops

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Didnt see that

edgy arrow
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serrated point at 53 scares me

bright mango
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Ikr

edgy arrow
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tbh anything at 53 scares me

bright mango
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I also agree with that

bronze viper
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Oh is it my turn to try a barrel roll again? 54 Rama was on my list of projects (my last pact set + EM4)

sullen minnow
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So stupid question then

edgy arrow
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y’all need to get to 54

sullen minnow
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What are things that are hard avoids at 40

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I know things to take can be subjective

bright mango
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Idk em4

edgy arrow
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pseudo promised to barrel roll 55 with beo

sullen minnow
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But what’s absolutely not a good idea with that

rain sedge
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serrated point zeus

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spicy

sullen minnow
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Em4 ✅

rain sedge
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RI and AP

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depending on your aspect, DC

sullen minnow
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Not even ap1?

bronze viper
bright mango
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Hehe both of my 40 runs were ap2

rain sedge
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if someone even tries to say

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"aP iS fInE aT 40"

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I'm literally gonna flip

sullen minnow
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Lolllll

rain sedge
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it's not fine

bright mango
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aP iS fInE aT 40

rain sedge
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what's your aspect

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if it's hestia or arthur it's fine ish

sullen minnow
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Man I was going for anything. Probably be zag bow, Zeus shield or hestia that I get the 1st one done with

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I can do Rama but I’ll only do it as last resort

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Rama feels like cheating a little

bright mango
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Oh wait nvmd my 40 Rama was ap1

shy gulch
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ap1 is fine at 40 :)

true fable
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i did AP1 on rama

shy gulch
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40 is like the earliest id start considering ap1

true fable
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wait

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i meant arthur

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idk

shy gulch
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brights having a moment

true fable
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vr chat has melted my brain

bronze viper
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They're basically the same aspect

bright mango
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Yea ap2 screwed me out of having an attack boon for half the run so dont use it

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More than half

edgy arrow
sullen minnow
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AP1 cost me heart rend on zag bow and I was big mad

shy gulch
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yeah thats an ap1 moment

sullen minnow
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Sitting right there staring me in the face

bright mango
true fable
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i think im gonna go back to AP2 for 50 nem

bright mango
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I feel like this is a decent 40 setup

bronze viper
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I won't need to kill myself, superdad will do that plenty

sullen minnow
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Thanks @bright mango

rain sedge
bright mango
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If anyone has a better 40 setup just tell me what to change

true fable
rain sedge
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cool I thought we could hang out in VR

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I'm sad now

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ok imma be a bit spicy here

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schad opinion time

shy gulch
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very exciting

rain sedge
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imma use the pog frog as my punching bag since he said this

rain sedge
daring hedge
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it is fine at 40 though

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:)

shy gulch
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:)

bright mango
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Ap2 kinda sucks tho

rain sedge
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so AP is bad. It's bad because it gives you 33% chance of not getting the boon you want. Some boon makes your builds, and it's almost like losing 33% of your power. I know it's more complicated than that, but it's a close enough simplification.

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33% power loss is worse than JS3

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it's worse than CP2

gaunt fiber
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at 40 I don't take anything that alters my build except for CF

rain sedge
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It's worse than CF2

shy gulch
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he's pullin out the MATH

solar maple
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I would take AP1 at 40 on weapons that don't scale well with boons, like hades spear

rain sedge
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don't even get me to start at AP2 but I think that's a consensus that it's real bad

bronze viper
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"I hate AP2" is about as spicy a take as pizza sauce.

solar maple
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or for speedruns

shy gulch
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see schad have you considered simply getting the boons you need

rain sedge
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the ONLY valid cases

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where you play with AP

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at 40 heat

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are:

solar maple
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most weapons I would avoid it

gaunt fiber
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drums

rain sedge
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  1. Hestia, arthur, that don't need that many boons or hammer anyway. I might miss some aspects but you get me.
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  1. You're speedrunning and you like casino and since you're going for WR, you don't mind resetting
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  1. You're good enough to clear 40 heat with basically any pact setup, and take AP1 for "fun" or time save
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if you're recommending 40 heat for beginners

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either

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a) you're ignorant, and TBH if you're ignorant you shouldn't be pretending like you know better, that's how misinformation start

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or b)

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you're trying to show off "oOoO lOoK aT mE ClEaRiNg HigH HeAt wiTH HaNdICaP"

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same energy as unironically pinging RI4 32 heat clears to beginners who ask for advice

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this spicy take is dedicated to @shy gulch , love you ❤️

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alright spicy take aside tho, AP1 is bad, don't recommend to beginner ty

bright mango
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Ap2 was a nightmare but ap1 honestly wasn’t that bad

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For both of my 40 clears

bronze viper
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Tbf I think on level of toxic I think 4+ Sack existing with TD3 makes it my second least favorite pact at high heat.

rain sedge
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I think the thing both has in common is that it is entirely RNG and there's nothing skill wise you can do to avoid it

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I talked a bit about RNG in my stream but yeah

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oh yeah the peach AP1 is very valid because it's 1) arthur and 2) speedrun

bronze viper
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At least with AP2 you know your relative screwedness in first biomr or so. Maybe elysium with a bad hammer. You have to wait until you're mentally ready to kill dad to find out if TD3 is going to wreck a perfect run.

daring hedge
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a good handful of 53 hades spear attempts just died in styx because of tiny vermin 3+ or 4+sack

rain sedge
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the subtweet is "I got to styx on hades spear multiple times at 53"

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which would be very impressive it's not coming from a fox

daring hedge
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lol i mean, most of those were coming out of an overtime elysium

rain sedge
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for a tail it's just another day in the fox forest

daring hedge
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can't say the attempts were particularly healthy

rain sedge
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(what do you call a fox forest?)

solar maple
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3 sack removing patty makes even them pretty rough

rain sedge
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huh, I can't jump to the pinned message to edit my post

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this happens quite often with discord, right?

solar maple
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try clicking that

rain sedge
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yeah it brings me to the wrong message

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and I can't edit it

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weird right

solar maple
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weird. I can jump to it fine

rain sedge
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oh I was on browser

unique zephyr
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I beat 32 heat

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@rain sedge

rain sedge
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N O I C E

unique zephyr
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I had 1 acorn charge left!

daring hedge
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congrats!

rain sedge
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victory screen!

unique zephyr
rain sedge
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PARTING SHOT

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with extra chaos cast damage too, look at that synergy

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Anyway congrats! This makes me happy 🙂

bright mango
unique zephyr
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and I only took cast chaos bc the other options were actively bad

neat sonnet
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congrats!!

unique zephyr
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thanks, I have never felt so proud in a video game in my life

idle bronze
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Well done Bacchus

solar maple
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Nice! Not even close on the timer either! You've gotten faster

unique zephyr
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Schlad's tutorial helped a lot!

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especially the reload tech thing

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which was imperfect but helped

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and yeah I'm surprised that the timer was never an issue

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I did get a than

neat sonnet
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now time for me to watch Shad's tutorial and go from 12 heat to 32 on GY and impress Astaos super hard

rain sedge
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I have a tutorial for 32 heat

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on GY

neat sonnet
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Oh?

rain sedge
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alright ready?

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here it comes

neat sonnet
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do link

rain sedge
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there you go

neat sonnet
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oh this is a

rain sedge
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that's it!

neat sonnet
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oh

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schad how could you

rain sedge
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jokes aside

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it's just the same with hestia

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but charged skewer

neat sonnet
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good to know actually

rain sedge
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and heartbreak flourish or deadly flourish

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and it's literally the same gameplay as the one in the pinned video

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I think it's even more damage

neat sonnet
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I'll finish watching your video later, would you not recommend going for ME at 32?

rain sedge
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and more aoe. hugeeee aoe.

neat sonnet
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totally different build I know

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yeah aoe very nice

rain sedge
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and as I said at the beginning, if you don't get hit, half HP doesn't matter 🙃

rain sedge
neat sonnet
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the ares/athena duo

rain sedge
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yeah I see

neat sonnet
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I've been using doom strike deflect special

rain sedge
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oh

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this is for GY?

neat sonnet
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has been working great, heart rend better? yes

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that was quite low heat I was doing but

rain sedge
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I mean anything can work at 32

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but 1) GY is a veeery hard weapon to do first 32 on

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(unless you seed charged skewer)

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  1. ME is high roll, it requires 3 boons and a duo to come online
neat sonnet
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nah I'll just grind it's fine

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I see

unique zephyr
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So which aspects are very hard to do TD3 on?

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Hestia is not so bad

neat sonnet
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wait ME needs three boons? am I crazy?

rain sedge
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  1. I think ME is still weaker than charged skewer
unique zephyr
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basically I want to know which aspects I can do the same pact on

rain sedge
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@gaunt fiber ?

pseudo girder
rain sedge
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am I right or am I bad

solar maple
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ME really wants divine dash to work

gaunt fiber
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Hello

neat sonnet
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just needs two but I agree dash is a must

gaunt fiber
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ME stinky

pseudo girder
rain sedge
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charged skewer > ME right?

gaunt fiber
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We don't want that

neat sonnet
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loooooool thank you astaos I will cease immediately

rain sedge
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GY has spoken

neat sonnet
gaunt fiber
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I'll elaborate though

neat sonnet
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he is GY

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
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Charged skewer is a free win if played properly

rain sedge
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with enough practice you can do TD3 on every aspect

unique zephyr
neat sonnet
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I agree

rain sedge
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on 40 heat

unique zephyr
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Oh wow

solar maple
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every aspect can do TD3

gaunt fiber
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ME is like aligning the stars

unique zephyr
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how many can do it on a 3 sack

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all?

rain sedge
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I've proven that the TD2 propagandist don't have to @ me

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all can do it on 3 sac

unique zephyr
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is it 4 and 5 that have trouble

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or just 5

neat sonnet
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I see

unique zephyr
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on 40 heat

rain sedge
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but I mean "sac luck" is just

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if I get 5 sacced on eris at 40

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and I have no free room

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and I had really bad elysium

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I might still time out

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I think, all weapons can do 3 sac at 32 heat without much trouble

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4 sac if you're a bit better

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.....chaos shield?

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nvm bablo proved that aspect is fast

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I suppose every aspect then

gaunt fiber
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@neat sonnet if you like to grind tho you can start Athena and reset until you get charged skewer in Tartarus to get both

rain sedge
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I guess zag sword and zag spear without specific hammers?

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will find it hard?

solar maple
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maybe gilga would struggle with a 5 sack. Could still win though I think

rain sedge
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at 32 heat there's just so many shenanigans you can do though

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FO0 gilga would be sooo good

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I mean

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comparatively

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compared to the 40 🙃

solar maple
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if I can do dem fist 40 heat 5 sack td3 it's possible with any weapon

neat sonnet
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I mean I don't mind the grind at all

solar maple
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my dem fists are slower than top players with trash aspects

edgy arrow
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dem fists fast tho

gaunt fiber
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Imo if you're learning GY you're either starting Eternal Rose for the weak or Owl pendant for the dash

solar maple
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yeah but I'm slow with dem fists

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don't underestimate fast players

edgy arrow
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oh yeah i’m slow with everything

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anyway aren’t you a fast player

solar maple
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I'm a mediocre speedrunner

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so fast in the "player" context

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but slow in the "speedrun" context

rain sedge
edgy arrow
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what’s considered good speeds to aim for to start out

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in a speedrunning context

gaunt fiber
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Sub 7

solar maple
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"to start out" is very vague

gaunt fiber
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jk

edgy arrow
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like, what’s the 32 equivalent

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sub 10?

solar maple
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my first goal was sub 12, which I got on my first eris speedrun attempt

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sub 10 is very achievable

gaunt fiber
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Sub 10 is a common goal I'd say

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To start with

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Single digit gang

edgy arrow
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i haven’t done sub 10 yet lol

bright mango
edgy arrow
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thinking about trying speedrunning a bit

gaunt fiber
solar maple
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I've done sub 9 on every weapon, and sub 8 on beo/eris

bright mango
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Sub 10 just takes time

solar maple
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top players get sub 7 times

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lili gets sub 6

edgy arrow
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lmao lili

gaunt fiber
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Lmao

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Truth

edgy arrow
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yeah i don’t know how far i’ll go but i’d like to get all weps sub 10

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just so my victory screen looks better

solar maple
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sub 10 on every weapon took me a little while. It forced me to actually learn the weapons I was terrible at

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(bow and fist)

bright mango
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I still have shield sword and bow for sub 10

edgy arrow
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i’m more worried about swords

bright mango
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I don’t think I’ll get it

solar maple
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I ended up doing rama for sub 10/9

edgy arrow
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last time i tried a nem speedrun i actually died

bright mango
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Wut

gaunt fiber
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Going fast is stressful

solar maple
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what?

bright mango
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How does that work

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Idk rama doesn’t seem extremely fast

solar maple
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it's fast enough for sub 9

edgy arrow
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rama pretty fast

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why does everyone think it’s slow

solar maple
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it's my fastest bow by a good margin

edgy arrow
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Tail did sub 9 at 40 with it

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i think it’s fast

bright mango
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I think zag bow is my fastest

solar maple
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tail's 40 heat rama faster than my any heat rama 😦

edgy arrow
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same lmao

bronze viper
edgy arrow
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for a long time it was faster than the fastest 32 heat time

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he wanted to submit his 40 heat to the 32 heat category but they didn’t let him

edgy arrow
bright mango
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I feel like it takes too long to apply the shared suffering and then powershotting takes a while

gaunt fiber
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Yeah but if stuff dies

solar maple
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you can charge up powershots while enemies spawn

gaunt fiber
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It's dead

solar maple
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and you one shot bosses

bright mango
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Yeah

edgy arrow
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doesn’t matter if it takes a while to set up if you kill everything on the map with one shot

bright mango
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I keep thinking of Rama in 40 heat mode and doing a sub10 at that heat feels impossible

gaunt fiber
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Well it requires a bit of grind too

solar maple
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tbf 40 heat rama doesn't have too many slow pacts

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DC2 EM3 BP2 CF1 and MM are all time losses

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but not massive ones

edgy arrow
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only 5 people have done sub 10 at 40

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that might say more about most speedrunner’s disinterest in heat than anything else tho

solar maple
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oh it's insane I know

edgy arrow
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i’m sure more folks could do it

solar maple
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yeah many speedrunners could sub 10 40 heat I think

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sub 9 would be much harder

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I mean I'm not convinced rama is faster than eris for 40 heat

edgy arrow
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probably not

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that might be true at 50 tho idk

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although currently hestia is at the top there ig

bronze viper
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Not being faster than Eris doesn't make an aspect slow. It makes it an aspect that is not Eris lmao

solar maple
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50 heat speedruns are very unexplored

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only a few people have tried them

edgy arrow
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only a few people can try them tbh

solar maple
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speaking of which, I should try again for a sub 14

edgy arrow
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do it

solar maple
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3rd

edgy arrow
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yusss beo needs to be up there

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it’s a speedrunning aspect after all

solar maple
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actually wait I'm already 3rd

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14:08 is good enough for that

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still need to submit that though

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shaving over a min to beat tailesque seems very rough haha

unique zephyr
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I can see 32 heat becoming my new normal once I practice

edgy arrow
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sub 15 is all you need for 3rd rn

unique zephyr
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Attempting nemesis now

edgy arrow
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when Hadesprof’s run gets verified anyway

solar maple
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I originally didn't submit because it would override my 42

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52

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but that's not my pb anymore anyway 🤷

edgy arrow
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what time was your 54?

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just sub 20 i suppose

solar maple
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yeah like 19:30

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not very fast

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DC1 is slow, and RI1 means bad build

edgy arrow
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it’s literally the beo wr tho

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at 54 heat

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for all those folks speedrunning beo 54

solar maple
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54 heat beo speedruns lmao

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what a category

daring hedge
solar maple
#

oh no

edgy arrow
#

oh for real?

daring hedge
#

so it's unlikely to be verified on src at least

edgy arrow
#

oof

daring hedge
#

yeah

unique zephyr
#

@shy plinth I got the clear

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I think you told me to ping you

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I’m happy just climbing heat right now

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Not into speedrunning myself

solar maple
#

alright if it's 2nd place I should really submit it

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uploading now

alpine summit
#

yo i'm trying to hit my first 50 heat clear. What heat settings are recommended this high up the ladder? I've been basically avoiding turning on EM4 at all costs but maybe that's not the play

solar maple
#

which aspect are you using?

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avoiding EM4 is fine

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unless you play beo 🙂

alpine summit
#

Hestia has felt most comfortable to me so far

solar maple
#

hestia is a good one for sure

daring hedge
#

you can definitely do 50 without EM4 with hestia

rain sedge
#

Best one

daring hedge
#

just avoid DC and you're gucci

alpine summit
#

Yeah figured that much out haha

rain sedge
#

Ri2 ap1 DC0 right

bronze viper
alpine summit
#

Just gotta grind out my mechanics then

rain sedge
#

Then reduce cp and js

daring hedge
#

true lol

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yeah you'll def get it eventually if you're comfortable w/ hestia

alpine summit
#

Swapping cp/js out for fo2 might be a good idea

daring hedge
#

definitely do FO2 at 50 yes

rain sedge
#

Spreadsheet has pinned videos of Hestia high heat clears

solar maple
#

yeah FO2 for sure

alpine summit
#

oh neat i haven't seen that, i'll check it out

rain sedge
#

It's pinned

alpine summit
#

cheers shadesmile

solemn pulsar
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rules specifically say "32 heat or more"

edgy arrow
#

i thought people frowned upon the idea

solemn pulsar
#

nah we mainly just joked about it

edgy arrow
#

ah fair

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i don’t remember that well

solemn pulsar
#

i am embarrassed that my 32 heat time is slower than tail's 40 though

alpine summit
#

oh yeah the other thing i was wanting to ask about was does everybody hate the numbskulls that give each other shields as much as i do lol

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those rooms are absolutely brutal with hestia

edgy arrow
#

saviour numbskulls bad

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not everyone hates them

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eris players presumably love them

alpine summit
#

understandable

edgy arrow
#

but most people hate them yes

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on hestia especially they’re a bit yike

alpine summit
#

i love how it's one of the most savage rooms in the game and there's one in tailesque's 60h clear iirc

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obvs rama helps there

edgy arrow
#

for sure

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being Tail helps as well

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he good

alpine summit
#

the most important boon of all

edgy arrow
#

indeed lol

shy plinth
alpine summit
#

Hat! I know you!

shy plinth
#

Sup lemon

alpine summit
#

I'm sure i joined this server because i saw you talking about it somewhere

shy plinth
#

It's the place to be for heat :)

alpine summit
#

Well thank you i guess lol

edgy arrow
#

hat has two very important roles here; he does our spreedsheets and Schad threatens to eat him

alpine summit
#

i gotta go sleep its stupid oclock uk but thanks for the tips all

edgy arrow
#

both are vital

alpine summit
#

yeh that sounds like hat to me

edgy arrow
#

lmao

shy plinth
#

I am known

shy gulch
#

encountering savior numbskull rooms with hestia almost make me want to auto reset

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I don’t, but good god I hate them

unique zephyr
#

Savior numbskulls with Hestia is the earliest chamber I have died in a while

bright mango
#

I hate savior anything with most weapons

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They just suck

solar maple
#

they really aren't that bad with eris

halcyon flame
edgy arrow
#

i like them when i have snow burst or mirage shot

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makes me feel powerful

solar maple
#

yeah 3x snow burst -> 3x casts cleans up savior numbskulls very fast

neat sonnet
#

that picture makes me shudder

halcyon flame
#

saviour + cloner numbskulls 🥲

solar maple
#

cloner is such a brutal benefit in general

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especially on witches and the like

edgy arrow
#

seeker cloner witches are one of the key reasons i’m a shield main

bronze viper
#

I feel like Dad could save himself some obols and make every room seeker cloner witches if he wanted Zag to stay home so bad.

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Also why aren't there seeker Greatshields?

edgy arrow
#

i love how the whole deal is that you’re suppose to be testing his security but like

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he never changes anything

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if he just spammed seeker cloner witches and speeder strongbows and wavemakers nobody would ever leave the underworld

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i guess for an immortal a suitable testing period is measured in millennia

bronze viper
#

He's still quite busy addressing the well wishers after the epilogue

edgy arrow
#

that too

bright mango
unique zephyr
#

I’m hoping to get 32 heat in every weapon (not aspect)

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I’m more confident now I can do it

edgy arrow
#

if you can do 32 you should be able to do 6x32 yeah

bronze viper
#

That's a bold claim

unique zephyr
#

I’m going to try nemesis next

edgy arrow
#

some weapons are harder than others but all of them have at least one aspect that isn’t absurdly difficult

edgy arrow
bronze viper
#

I'm not saying he can't do it lol, but being able to hit 32 with 1 doesn't mean it should be easy to do the rest

edgy arrow
#

not straight off

bronze viper
#

Yeah

unique zephyr
#

I don’t think they said easy

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Just possible

edgy arrow
#

maybe i didn’t phrase that well yeah

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but it’s doable

bronze viper
#

I'm not even sure I can do 32 with Stygius lmao

unique zephyr
#

Which are two very different things

edgy arrow
#

poseidon isn’t too bad at 32 imo

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neither was arthur for me

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you don’t have to take any of the stuff that messes with arthur, so it’s pretty nice

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and honestly just yolo nemesis works if you try it enough

#

eventually you’ll get enough damage and get lucky enough to get the clear

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at 40 it’s a different story ofc

shy gulch
#

i found nem 40 easier than poseidon sword 40 ngl

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tho thats 40 not 32

edgy arrow
#

40 requires you to know the aspect a bit i think

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and i’m not good at nem/zagius

shy gulch
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click special click dash attack

edgy arrow
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that got me through 32 yeah lol

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hasn’t worked (yet) for 40 for me

bronze viper
#

Strimming 52 Chiron atm. I've expended my good juju today, so don't expect much :3

unique zephyr
#

Or what’s your twitch if you stream there

bronze viper
vital grove
#

Congrats on 51 chiron 🎉

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Hey question for the Beo folk

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Not a 50 heat thing but on like 40 or 45

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Would you go thunder Flare for the double strike synergy?

daring hedge
#

i'm not a beo expert but it's my understanding that thunder flare is just kind of terrible

vital grove
#

Why though? Base damage seems in line with everything else

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It's very upgradeable

daring hedge
#

i think it has to do with its aoe being weirdly pretty small? i've just heard bad things and pseudo pretty much listed it as suckage

vital grove
#

Hmm

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It does get high voltage as an option, which probably makes it the biggest aoe in theory

solar maple
#

I was just playing a zeus cast earlier

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it has terrible aoe, mediocre damage, and desides to target dead enemies/nothing like 1/3 times

dire steppe
#

what about hunters flare

solar maple
#

it's only saving grace is that double strike and splitting bolt are fantastic support boons, but getting those (and double strike needs rarity + poms) is very unrealistic

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the payoff is pretty good boss damage, and still bad room clear

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infernal dio cast and ares cast are both better

vital grove
#

I do like Dio cast

halcyon flame
#

how does thunder flare even work?

solar maple
#

dio cast is good with stygian, but needs chaos +casts

halcyon flame
#

trippy flare is amazing but it needs a lot of boons to get it right

solar maple
#

I play high heat to get away from any heat resets so I don't play it

halcyon flame
#

on top of +casts

vital grove
#

I thought the flares all had the same aoe

solemn pulsar
#

no very different

solar maple
solemn pulsar
#

thunder flare is hot garbage

solar maple
#

(my tier list)

vital grove
#

Why is dem listed as slow?

solar maple
#

the cast takes a while to come out

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it's very awkward

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and base damage is low

#

bad cast overall

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good aoe though

vital grove
#

I see, so just go for flood shot

solar maple
#

flood shot is the best for infernal, but if you have to go aphro/arty you won't be that much worse off

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they have a bit higher damage, but worse aoe

bronze viper
#

Has it always been that way, that all the flares behave differently? I swear I remember them all being mostly the same except for Tirppy

solar maple
#

they are all different for as long as I remember

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And I was playing when they added beo I think

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but I didn't play it much back then

wanton plover
#

is js or cp or dc harder for pos sword

vital grove
#

Prolly dc

wanton plover
#

alright guess ill take some js

vital grove
#

Going electric cast?

wanton plover
#

athena

halcyon flame
#

might as well go for lightning phalanx in that case

vital grove
#

Electric Poseidon just wrecks Tartarus

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I think even a common will one shot anything smaller and two shot thugs and louts

solar maple
#

yeah zeus cast has amazing room clear. Athena cast is very strong for bosses though. It has tons of damage

#

both are reasonable options

halcyon flame
#

might still wanna consider that electric shot has t2s

#

you can get jolt and storm lightning

wanton plover
#

i simply cannot cope with how it randomly flies off to nowhere

#

i am too weak willed

halcyon flame
#

just get greater recall

bronze viper
#

@shy plinth I'm an idiot. The run is verified unseeded, I died at 3:24 and just didn't remember lol. Reposting a cut version to youtube. Could you please delete the existing run from the spreadsheet?

shy plinth
#

Which one

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The seeded Chiron?

bronze viper
#

yeah

shy plinth
#

Done

daring hedge
#

oh nice lol

bronze viper
#

I'll resubmit once the video is uploaded

daring hedge
#

that's a cool surprise

bronze viper
#

I didn't bother watching the video lmao, I just saw that I started the recording from home

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I know right? Now I can continue working on 52 instead of trying to redo 51. CP2 is... not great

solar maple
#

nice!

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wow, that leaves hera as the untied lowest heat wr

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wierd

bronze viper
#

I was on the struggle bus at 45 with Hera but I'm very new to that aspect

daring hedge
#

i'd be down to retry hera sometime

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not sure how hadesprof's run went but mine was miserable

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true shot 😔

bronze viper
#

Lol, I tried RI2 a couple of times and ended up getting to Elysium with base cast twice then dying because I had a very bad Zag bow.

#

I feel like this is a common theme in runs this last week thanthink

solar maple
#

I might try it since everyone seems to think beo and hera are the same weapon

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they aren't (it's not even close)

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I think my beo speedrun time is like 3 mins faster than my hera

bronze viper
#

interesting. I thought Hera was very good at zoomies

solar maple
#

oh it is

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I'm just bad at it

#

it's probably my worst zoomie of the good aspects right now

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after I got my dem fist practice in

shy gulch
#

they play very differently

#

it’s like not uncommon for someone to be good at one but not the other

shy plinth
#

Ricochet fire sea storm hestia is dope

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@woeful echo well done 🙂

woeful echo
#

thanks! i see youve been in the boasting channel 😛

shy plinth
#

Hah I clicked over and was like wait I know that guy

true fable
#

i personally love doing a 30 minute run to get 4 sacked and die

#

shoutout to 50 heat

shy gulch
#

;_;

woeful echo
#

F

solar maple
#

I just realized I don't think ive ever won a run with RI2 or more

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On any weapon

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RI is a scam

#

Same with AP2

spice lava
#

AP2 is the unfamous bad boons magnet 👀

wanton plover
#

yes those two are quite poopy

edgy arrow
#

discovery: level 1 common icy flare is insufficient damage for elysium

solar maple
#

I had a level 1 common icy flare in the em4 fight once

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That did not go well

edgy arrow
#

sounds fun lmao

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i don’t think i could get to EM4 with that

solar maple
#

I agree with your conclusion

edgy arrow
#

i timed out room 34

solar maple
#

I was carried by an early smoldering air

edgy arrow
#

ah

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that helps

solar maple
#

Also I tried everythibg I could to take em4 off my speedrun pact

#

I don't think its worth it

edgy arrow
#

at 50?

solar maple
#

Yeah 50

edgy arrow
#

that’s gonna force you into other stuff yeah

#

prolly not worth

#

EM4 can be pretty fast with a good beo build

solar maple
#

I tried some truly cursed strategies

#

Mom pom start ap2 ri2 being the most egregious

#

Reset for a decent cast

edgy arrow
#

i can see the logic

#

but that is indeed fairly cursed

solar maple
#

Its like 10 resets per run

#

I gave up after 1 died to lernie

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Was pretty good pace though

edgy arrow
#

trouble is then you still have AP2 for the rest of the run

#

good luck getting snow burst or anything

solar maple
#

Yeah I don't think it even saves all that much time

edgy arrow
#

oh speaking of cursed strats

#

what’s your opinion of slicing flare?

#

i got it like 3 times in a row earlier

solar maple
#

Its ok tbh

#

Low tier cast for sure

edgy arrow
#

for sure

#

but it seemed better than i expected

solar maple
#

Yeah I had the same thought

#

About as good as infernal dio cast

edgy arrow
#

fair

solar maple
#

I experimented with it a bit for dc2 pacts

#

No worth in the end imo

edgy arrow
#

i imagine it drops off in elysium

#

it’s actually pretty good in tartarus

#

saviour numbskulls are a joke which is kind of amusing

solar maple
#

Ill,be honest I never made it out of aspho in the few attempts I had with it

edgy arrow
#

neither did i lol

#

drop off in asphodel tho as well

#

things keep jumping out of the aoe

solar maple
#

It somehow makes speedy wavemakers even harder to kill

#

I hate those things with a passion

edgy arrow
#

i actually recently lost a than room because of them

#

felt bad

solar maple
#

Aspho than rooms are the most dangerous by far

#

In all the other if you're in danger you can find a corner to sit and block in

edgy arrow
#

for sure

solar maple
#

Next ill probably experiment with RI 1 over the 2nd cp and js

#

Not sure if that will save time either though

#

I might just have to grind the same pact as before for my sub 14

edgy arrow
#

i feel like the RI is probably worse, but i’m not sure

#

okay this tartarus was crazy

solar maple
#

That's my instinct as well

edgy arrow
#

i got divine dash, charged shot and level 3 hunter’s flare

#

if i lose this i will be sad

solar maple
#

That's a nice start

edgy arrow
#

time to try to highroll into snow burst i guess

solar maple
#

Snoe burst a bit more awkward with charged shot

true fable
#

pseudo

solar maple
#

Still amazing though

true fable
#

how did you get to EM4

edgy arrow
#

oh gp

true fable
#

with level 1 icy flare

#

i have some questions

solar maple
#

Lmao

#

Shackle beo shackle beo

#

I got smoldering in tart

#

That's how

edgy arrow
#

shackle beo good

#

i’ve been thoroughly converted

solar maple
#

Its so fun

true fable
#

i'll play around with it

solar maple
#

And pretty much no room 1 resets

true fable
#

you just do a ton of dmg with normals right?

solar maple
#

Yeah

#

I avoid dc when doing shackle

#

I max cf then js then cp, then dc

#

Dash attack 1 shots witches on cp2

#

Dash attack into bull rush kills everything in tart basically

#

And shackle cast is about the same damage as lv 2 common pos cast for armored enemies

#

It falls off in aspho, so take the first good cast you find

#

So I take pos, arty, or aphro. Athena if bad other choices, abd dem id I'm desperate

true fable
#

that's pretty nice

#

yeah when i tried out shackle boonless it was a bit tough

#

but i guess if you can take boons it helps a lil

solar maple
#

Yeah boons good

#

I usually take it off after tart

#

It was mostly a way for me to not die as much with ri2 and not have to reset

edgy arrow
#

i'm getting to EM4 with progressively worse builds

#

still dying, but imma take it as progress

solar maple
#

that's a good sign

#

it means you're getting better at the rest of the game

#

might want to work on your em4 fight though

#

it's still a hard fight that I lose to a good amount for all my memes

edgy arrow
#

yeah i need to make save for it

#

sneaks are more or less a hard counter for me atm

solar maple
#

the trick often lies in timing your bull rushes to I frame attacks

#

then either dashing away if he's doing another attack, or setting up another bull rush if not

#

rinse repeat from 10 to 100 times depending on your build haha

edgy arrow
#

sometimes my timings are just slightly off is the trouble

#

i'm just not consistent; like i said i need to make a save file

#

probably should have done it for that run actually

solar maple
#

yeah for some reason my em4 fights either go really well or really badly

#

no idea why

#

even with similar strength builds

edgy arrow
#

i think charged shot may have messed me up

solar maple
#

yeah charged shot makes em4 harder imo

#

which is why I don't take it as highly on high heat beo

edgy arrow
#

fair

solar maple
#

maybe I'm just bad at using it vs em4 though

edgy arrow
#

i want to learn to be better with it, but its entirely possible i'm just sabotaging myself

solar maple
#

if you watch tail's 50 heat clear with charged shot I think you have to play it a bit more like that

#

which requires being good at the game/fight

edgy arrow
#

oh yeah i never gotta around to watching that

#

imma do that rn

solar maple
#

pls don't watch him for how to use snow burst though

#

he was terrible at that haha

edgy arrow
#

wait is that run not on the spreadsheet?

#

can't seem to find it

solar maple
#

not sure if he submitted it

#

I just watched the twitch vod

#

sadly I missed the stream 😦

edgy arrow
#

oh yep found it on twitch

#

thanks

true fable
#

hmm

#

do you block more with charged shot?

#

i'd imagine so

#

not sure

edgy arrow
#

i feel like i block pretty much the same amount with both

#

entirely possible that's sub optimal of me ofc

true fable
#

i feel like its tougher since obviously charged shot wont give you the bull rush i frames

#

tougher not to block

edgy arrow
#

oh i see what you're saying

#

yeah that makes sense

vital grove
#

Yeah I don't like charged shot for that

#

Just seems like rushing is safer

#

I wish special wasn't such a trap

#

It does a good amount of damage especially with like a good boon on top, but you're exposed while it bounces

edgy arrow
#

rushing is definitely safer

#

the question is whether the extra speed makes charged shot it worth it anyway

vital grove
#

Just get fast rush

edgy arrow
#

when i say speed i also mean damage

#

but yeah sudden rush good

vital grove
#

Sudden and Minotaur

#

Ddddamage

edgy arrow
#

minotaur not worth imo

vital grove
#

But damage 🤔

edgy arrow
#

sure but you gotta wait for it

#

delays the damage from your casts

vital grove
#

Unless you only have the 1 cast

edgy arrow
#

i mean, sure

#

its definitely worth it on mirrorless beo

vital grove
#

So optimally you want Sudden and Breaching?

edgy arrow
#

if charged shot isn't worth it, sure

#

but charged shot might be worth it

#

its really just EM4 where there's a question

#

i also really like ferocious guard

vital grove
#

Oh yes

#

Global damage good

#

Hey, does the next 2 attacks after special hammer extend to rush?

edgy arrow
#

no idea

#

that hammer’s bad on beo so i don’t take it lol

#

i feel like they should

vital grove
#

I enjoy charged flight with fiery presence

#

But man that time spent waiting for the shield

edgy arrow
#

it’s so long yeah

#

particularly with dread flight

#

i’m not 100% sure that hammer is worth it even on a special build, but i think that’s probably controversial

vital grove
#

By the time it comes back you could throw it again

edgy arrow
#

until then you're vulnerable tho

#

idk i'm not much of a fan of special builds in general tbh

solar maple
#

charged shot is the only hammer I really don't know how to rank for high heat

#

I think I just need to learn how to do em4 with it

#

it's so nice for the rest of the game, especially if you get it in tart

#

if only I was ever offered it

#

charged shot also changes build priorities quite a bit, so getting it early is nice

#

the value of snow burst goes down a bit (still amazing), a good attack boon is more important, and athena dash is more important (to fetch casts in bullet hell rooms)

halcyon flame
#

charged shot also makes you actually want to get greater recall from hermes

#

which might be bad since you're looking for another rare boon when you wouldn't need it at all otherwise

solar maple
#

can you even get greater recall on beo?

#

I guess with plume?

vital grove
#

Can't you get the prereqs on Beo?

solar maple
#

well not on infernal

#

can't get flurry

vital grove
#

Ah

solar maple
#

you can get quick reload on styg

#

would not recommend going plume to fish for greater recall on high heat haha

halcyon flame
#

so charged shot might be worse since you also have to go out of your way to grab your casts

solar maple
#

it's more dangerous, but more damage

#

the cast fetching danger is mostly an asphodel/em4 problem

edgy arrow
#

yeah you can use plume to get greater recall

#

100% not worth it for heat

bright mango
#

What can I do to dodge em3 fo2 minotaur charge

#

Like is there some secret method or something because i always get hit by it

gaunt fiber
#

hug a wall and dash through Asterius

bright mango
#

Ok

gaunt fiber
#

this is the safest method to me

#

it's possible to deflect the charge though

bright mango
#

It’s just so scary when it charges

#

Especially the miniboss fight

gaunt fiber
#

it really is

bright mango
#

Since i dont have an acorn

gaunt fiber
#

especially when it just kills you :)

bright mango
#

50%of my elysium deaths were caused by the miniboss fight

#

Either i take too much damage or it just kills me

gaunt fiber
#

Ask politely for the butterfly ball

bright mango
#

I can tell which miniboss it is because if its asterius it takes a while for it to show up

#

And then I'm like I'm screwed

lusty fox
#

yeah but at least Asterius has like a quarter less health w/ theseus if you do beat him

#

so i prefer it to the godforsaken butterfly ball

bright mango
#

Um the butterfly ball takes like 2 seconds to kill

#

Asterius takes time, health, and sanity

#

Especially with Fo2

pseudo girder
#

butterfly ball is super easy what the heck are you talking about

#

the health reduction during the theseus fight isn't exactly worth it because you still have to fight a super fast beyblade man going at incredibly high speed

#

like... It's nice, but not exactly something noticeable

bright mango
#

Butterfly ball takes legitimately 2 seconds

pseudo girder
#

if even that

#

depending on how your run goes you can literally shred that thing in the blink of an eye

bright mango
#

yeah

#

Asterius is just a nightmare

#

He's killed so many of my runs

#

Thats why I decided to take ap2 instead of Fo2

#

I didnt want to deal with FO2 minotaur

pseudo girder
#

Asterius is easier with ranged weapons than melee weapons

bright mango
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Ranged is still scary

pseudo girder
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Oh, I didn't say it was easy

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I said it was easier

bright mango
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lol

pseudo girder
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at least with Bow, Rail and Spear in certain circles, you can keep the distance as long as you have to and dodge his higher damage attacks

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like the three jump combo or the beyblade attack

bright mango
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All his higher damage attacks. Thats literally every single one of his attacks

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lmao

pseudo girder
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lol yep

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meanwhile with melee you gotta make as many potshots as you can

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and use Summon

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source: that's literally how I had to fight the Asterius miniboss for my 32 heat run with Demeter Fists

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you better hope you had Long Knuckle at some point in order to have some semblance of safety by that fight

bright mango
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Without Fo2 it wasn't too bad and I just had to weave in and out of his attacks with fists

pseudo girder
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I did it on FO1

bright mango
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👀

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why

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Both of my 40 runs were almost ruined by asterius fo1

pseudo girder
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because I have experience in dealing with it from speedrunning

bright mango
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Yeah same but Hl5 is a nightmare with it

pseudo girder
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FO1 isn't soul-crushingly bad when you're going fast anyways

bright mango
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Yes but its terrible at 32

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But I guess you could do it if you wanted to

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I had fo2 on for my eris 32 run

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also I just realized my first hestia escape was at 40 heat

pseudo girder
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FO1 isn't terrible for 32. In fact, the guide says FO1 is conditional

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as in, "don't you DARE go Arthur on FO1 32 heat or you'll regret it"

bright mango
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Lol

pseudo girder
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my next 32 heat run will be with Eris rail

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so that'll be fun

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I've been strategizing for it like I did with Dem Fists so I can get an optimal setup through the run, and I think this is probably the most ideal build for such a weapon
Zeus Attack
Poseidon Special + Dash
Dio Cast
Arti Call

bright mango
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Yeah thats fine

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Imo arty call sucks

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but yeah

pseudo girder
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yeah, arti call does suck

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but it procs Lightning Rod

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which helps out with Dio Cast

bright mango
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lightning rod for eris?

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wut

pseudo girder
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which also brings Scint Feast

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yeah

bright mango
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Is this a cast build

pseudo girder
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not really

bright mango
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I guess it works bcs eris is an everything weapon