#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 254

bronze viper Feb 22, 2021, 3:28 AM

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Or lack thereof

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:28 AM

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you could be right there

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it feels alright if you have a lot of dps, but if your build’s even slightly low damage it’s just a ludicrous amount of hp to slog through

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not that i can even get past phase 1 without beo lol

bronze viper Feb 22, 2021, 3:30 AM

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Phase 2 is so chill. Then Guitar Hero starts and I feel the imminent spanking

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It helps that usually I'm out of timer at some point during Phase 3

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:30 AM

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it’s chill unless cerbie is feeling feisty

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sometimes he just feels like checking out that bottom right “safe” corner

bronze viper Feb 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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The circles are more forgiving in positioning if you give him good boy pets before you leave.

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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really? i wouldn’t know

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i’ve never not petted him

bronze viper Feb 22, 2021, 3:31 AM

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If only

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:32 AM

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lol

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lowkey wish it was, just to show those folks who refuse to pet the good doggo

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:38 AM

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Oh interesting, I’ll try that! I hope I don’t lose my save lol

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So to be clear I need to start a new game on save 2 and then do the copying to save 2 right?

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And not do it on empty save

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I’ll have faith I will master FO1

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:40 AM

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first time I get sea storm and I get 4 sacked 😦

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:40 AM

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I got to elysium in one FO1 attempt

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So at least I’m not too far off

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Yeah I have gotten pretty far a lot so I’ll just keep doing 32

bronze viper Feb 22, 2021, 3:42 AM

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unique zephyr Oh interesting, I’ll try that! I hope I don’t lose my save lol

Lol my first line was to back up your Hades save directory :3

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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How exactly do I back it up? Just copy the current save data to a safe place so I can replace it if stuff goes wrong?

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Sorry I don’t normally mess with saves

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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that's good

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:44 AM

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I’ll probably just practice normally for now

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FO1 feels close enough that I can adjust

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I made it to elysium on 32 with FO1

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And my death was totally avoidable

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If I do TD3 as well I can do HL2 instead of 5

bronze viper Feb 22, 2021, 3:46 AM

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It's just a directory. Copy pasta somewhere else. If you brick your saves, close the game, delete the new one and paste back the backup

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Ah ok. Is TD3 supposed to be somewhat luck based

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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you can win on 5 sacks

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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It feels hard to be fast and not get hit though

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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my fist 40 heat clear was a 5 sack

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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On TD3?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:48 AM

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it's just very hard

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yeah td3

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you have to go fast

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for a normal run were I would be pushing heat (45 for non beo, 55 for beo), I would pretty much always die to a 5 sack though

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Ah ok. I want to get to the point where 32 feels normal

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And FO1 at least feels normal

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I would be practicing right now if I was not in pain

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FO1 feels easier than TD3 for me so I’ll keep doing 32 on FO1

wanton plover Feb 22, 2021, 3:51 AM

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td3 is quite the hecker ngl

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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I did just die to a 4 sack

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so yeah td3 is rng

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 3:52 AM

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Is FO2 more or less of a hecker than TD3

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I’m deciding between FO1 HL5 and FO2 HL2 basically

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Actually can someone have a look at my FO1 pact

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To see if I can make FO1 easier

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Hope I don’t ask too many questions

bright mango Feb 22, 2021, 3:54 AM

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Nah ur fine

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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yeah you're good

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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unique zephyr I’m deciding between FO1 HL5 and FO2 HL2 basically

i think the former would be easier

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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this kind of discussion is the whole point of the channel

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:55 AM

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but FO2 practice is a good idea

bright mango Feb 22, 2021, 3:56 AM

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Yeah hl5 easier

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:57 AM

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alright I have nectar, god's legacy, and the zeus keepsake with 3 rolls and AP0

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will I be able to find sea storm

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 3:58 AM

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ezpz

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seastorm record coming up

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 3:59 AM

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sea storm is online

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no I just need to play rama pretty well

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this is a no athena run, so I'm definitely not out of the woods

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nah I died to lernie LMAO

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how could I have died with such a strong build smh

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bad hammer rama is pain

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:04 AM

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noooo

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i thought it was impossible to die with a green boon

wanton plover Feb 22, 2021, 4:04 AM

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is this sea storm special rama

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:04 AM

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solar maple bad hammer rama is pain

oh you didn’t have repulse shot? yeah that hammer’s practically obligatory

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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yeah no repulse 😦

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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😭

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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no sea storm attack rama

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poseidon attack baby

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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oh lmao

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imagine doing it the other way around

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zeus attack pos special

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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would be better tbh

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:05 AM

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would it tho?

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zeus attack is basically useless

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ICD on sea storm means you’re not getting many procs

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idk

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maybe you’re right

dire steppe Feb 22, 2021, 4:06 AM

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it’s still 2 bolts per special

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:07 AM

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that’s true

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:07 AM

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actually I think pos attack might be a bit better

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it's close

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:07 AM

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and the +% on pos special is spicy

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i think i still prefer actually having an attack tho lol

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:07 AM

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"spicy" 30%

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 4:07 AM

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on special

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the attack % is garbage for sure

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but the special % is actually good

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:09 AM

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just found a zeus Poseidon trial in tart

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big gaming

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ok do I force athena to actually win

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or zeus for sea storm

wanton plover Feb 22, 2021, 4:14 AM

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win

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:14 AM

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if I take athena dash I can't get that big splash dash damage though thanthink

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found another zeus poseidon trial in elysium

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now I'm really gaming

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:28 AM

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Elysium trials?

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https://tenor.com/uXSy.gif

Tenor

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:31 AM

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REPULSE SHOT AQUIRED

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can't lose now

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:33 AM

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edgy arrow but FO2 practice is a good idea

I’ll do my 32 heat on HL5 FO1 then but do lower heats at FO2 maybe to start practicing?

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Or is switching between FO1 and FO2 a bad idea when learning

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What’s the highest heat one can reasonably do FO1 instead of FO2

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:33 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/813267193047416832/Screen_Shot_2021-02-21_at_8.33.09_PM.png good thing I saved rolls lmao

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:34 AM

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unique zephyr What’s the highest heat one can reasonably do FO1 instead of FO2

You can go pretty far with FO1

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FO2 is common in here but FO1 will take you through the 30s

daring hedge Feb 22, 2021, 4:34 AM

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it's not fair that my 50 poseidon attack didn't count damn it

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just because the game refused to give me sea storm ever 😔

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:35 AM

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Better do it again

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:36 AM

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this really is about to be my rama heat pb

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repulse shot has done tens of damage already

daring hedge Feb 22, 2021, 4:37 AM

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memes can do things to you

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:38 AM

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mostly becauase I only try 50+ heat rama

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and I'm not quite good enough for that yet

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Here is my 32 heat pact with FO1:
HL 5
LC4
CF 2
EM3
BP 2
MM
UC
FO1
TD2

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:38 AM

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Yep

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Good pact

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:39 AM

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Ok I’ll practice with this pact then

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Wanted to make sure nothing was horribly off

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:39 AM

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The major decision point at this level is if you decide to move into TD3, FO1, or HL5

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That's the pivot based on what you like

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Also if you are playing a weapon like eris or any of the fists or rama DC2 can slot in

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But otherwise that's a good base

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Do you mean FO2 or what

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Since FO1 is HL5 already

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Or what do you mean

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:40 AM

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You get to opt out of one of those things

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You either get to increase your timer, have slower enemies, or reduce damage

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And you take the other two

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Choose my poison got it

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I’m choosing forced overtime because FO1 will be a part of my heat journey anyway

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And TD3 is rough

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I will learn TD3 eventually for raising heat but I’d rather learn FO1 first lol

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:42 AM

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Both are good things, all in due time

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Just do a lot of runs

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:42 AM

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Yeah, I have chronic pain so I’m limited in how many I can do per day but I like practicing

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The game changes at 32 heat and I like that

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Normal rooms aren’t really free anymore

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:42 AM

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You're brave for playing hades with chronic wrist pain

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Not wrist

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Migraines

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Ah

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Well, not better, but at least it's not related to input

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Yeah I’m grateful for that at least

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It does limit my play time still

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At least I start PT Tuesday!

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I’m really excited to learn and push heat in hades

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I love how pact of punishment lets you mix and match

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 4:50 AM

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I got 5 sacked then played the hades fight too recklessly 😦

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I had the dream build too

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this wr is just too hotly contested. Not sure I can beat it shadegrief

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and yeah, high heat is very fun

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it forces you to adapt to weird situations and make the most of it

bright mango Feb 22, 2021, 5:06 AM

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And its so satisfying when you complete high runs

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Hades fun

quartz mantle Feb 22, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Big agree

bright mango Feb 22, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Fax

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 5:34 AM

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high heat also lets me actually compete for a wr haha

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in speedrunning I'm mediocre

bright mango Feb 22, 2021, 5:37 AM

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Hehe I’m mediocre in both

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Probably worse than mediocre

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 6:15 AM

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I want to beat my previous self

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Not the world record

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 6:17 AM

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I usually run Pride

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It's a lot better for chaos and Hermes and anyway big purple boons are great

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I switch to legacy specifically if my build requires a duo specifically but try to stay away from duo-reliant builds

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And I would say legacy gets worse as you are forced to take AP

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:03 AM

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Is it good that I’m doing the max lasting now if I want to learn higher heats

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Since I see a lot of 32 with DDs and not max lasting

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But adjusting to SD hasn’t been that bad

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:04 AM

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I also have chronic pain problems, although they may be different than yours I made it all the way to 41 heat. If you take your time and do things your own tempo you can achieve high heat for sure friendly

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:04 AM

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I’m only unsure about hades

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:04 AM

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honest kernel I also have chronic pain problems, although they may be different than yours I m...

Thanks that’s very encouraging to hear 🙂

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Do you want to take a look at my pact for 32 to see if that’s good

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I’ve heard it was a good pact though

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Actually any tips for learning forced overtime timing?

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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1 or 2

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:05 AM

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It’s a lot of heat but I need to learn the attack speed

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1

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I’ll eventually learn 2 but I need to learn 1 for my 32 heat set up

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So yeah I need to learn FO1

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:06 AM

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hmmm I just kinda did 1 really early there wasnt any trick to me. 2 is a really big wall for me tho :(

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depends on what you have problems with at 1

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if its the game in general then you just need to keep playing afraid

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but if you have issues with a boss you could make a save file to practice that boss

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:08 AM

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I’ll just keep playing then I can get to Elysium with FO1

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Here is my 32 heat pact with FO1:
HL 5
LC4
CF 2
EM3
BP 2
MM
UC
FO1
TD2

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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you can also turn off other heat options for now so you can get all the way through for practice

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like bp2

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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That’s a good idea, like turn off hard labor and lasting

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And yeah maybe BP2 as well

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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I think HL is actually kinda important with FO1 because it'll punish you for not dodging the attacks hard and thats what high heat is, just really punishing

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:10 AM

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Were you where I am right now where you think high heat is cool and you’d love to try it but you were struggling with 32

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Ah ok good to know

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Like did you go from struggling with 32 to doing 40

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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🤔 I think I did a few 32 runs

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and then just 36-39-41

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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I love practicing hades just wish my chronic pain didn’t limit practice time

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:11 AM

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like I just made some jumps

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yeah I feel it

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Even though I haven’t beaten 32 yet I appreciate each improvement

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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i also beat 32 on a way different patch idk how much that matters

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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How high heat can you go with FO1 before you do FO2

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Reasonably I mean

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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the core game is still the same

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I did 41 with fo1 so 👍

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Oh nice

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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you can go even higher still

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:12 AM

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Learning FO1 will be a great investment then

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For going higher

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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but then its gonna get pretty unoptimized

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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I’m also doing max lasting to learn stubborn defiance strats

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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yeah thats useful

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Learning stubborn isn’t as bad as I thought it would be

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I am pausing to calculate what 30% of my HP would be or whatever

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So I know whether to kill myself at the end to heal

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But remembering what I healed to last time is useful if I didn’t gain any max HP

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:14 AM

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I think I just did 1-2h sessions on the days I could play and just gradually got there

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:16 AM

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I can definitely get there then 🙂

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I wish I practiced FO1 earlier but what can you do lol

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Also there isn’t anything wrong with the pact I posted right?

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I see all kinds of different 32 pacts

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I used the pin to help me

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And some people gave some suggestions and I decided to bite the FO1 bullet

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:17 AM

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it seems ok

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does maxing CF let you shave off something else?

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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What do you mean?

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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or does CF hit thw max at 2 I dont remember

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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CF2 is the max

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:19 AM

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^

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I am at max CF already

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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oh sry

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its all fine then

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:21 AM

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quick q: if you see a pom vs a health on the door which do you usually take?

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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It depends

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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health

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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On how much health I have

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Health usually

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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should be health almost always

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unless you are a cast build or something weird

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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Or you have like 300 health already

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:22 AM

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that's just a mistake I see people newer to high heat make

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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Good to know, I may overvalue poms a bit

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So that’s very good to know although I love me some health

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It’s secret healing in LC4 too

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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yeah if you have something that values poms a lot, you can take them, but hestia usually doesn't

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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What would value poms a lot?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:23 AM

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pomming attack is only ~10% damage

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uuhhh beo haha

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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Is Artemis with crit support or Aphrodite better for Hestia attack

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I use arty right now and get big numbers

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And pick up hunter’s mark

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:24 AM

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things that get pommed well are generally: casts, some dashes, jolted, and probably others I'm forgetting

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:25 AM

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both are pretty good I think altho aphro might be more consistent?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 7:25 AM

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I generally go arty for hestia

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I don't think aphro is necessarily wrong though

honest kernel Feb 22, 2021, 7:26 AM

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im always thinking dmg reduction is amazing

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:47 AM

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I keep dying in Elysium 😦

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just to random skeletons

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:47 AM

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Yep

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Brightswords hit like a truck

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:48 AM

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those were strongbows that time

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what's a consistent way to dodge them again?

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if i pay a ttention to the reticule

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I sometimes dodge one arrow but get hit by another

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i think I dodged right as the first one fired

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hope this isn't too much of a noob question

magic knoll Feb 22, 2021, 7:49 AM

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i think the best way is to take cover

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theres usually quite a lot of cover in elysium i think

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:50 AM

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oh I didn't think about the cover

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i'll start making use of that

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Yeah like HL5 FO1 is... really hard

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You're gonna die a lot

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Especially without having done it before

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Double damage shades that move faster is a really big adjustment

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Ah ok, I will have faith that it is a viable pact with practice

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:50 AM

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Just make peace with that for a while and don't be afraid every so often to take a little breather and do like a 25 or something

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You'll be surprised at how easy it feels

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Leave FO on

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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I wrote down the "fun pact" you suggested

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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Yeah

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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I'll try that as a breather

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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But get used to the idea that while you adjust to FO1 you're dealing with all of the enemies doing literal double damage while moving faster

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I'd expect a week or two of adjustment

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:51 AM

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I can deal with that then 🙂

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I'll do breather pacts too

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maybe next run will be a breather lol

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or after the next attempt

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thanks for the reminder to do easier pacts but still practice FO1 🙂

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you and everyone have been a great help

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high heat community is great especially to people just breaking in like me

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:53 AM

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It's pretty awesome here

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I'm relatively new myself and it's been enlightening

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:56 AM

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I'm doing the fun pact now

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just to get used to FO1

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except I'm doing TD2 instead of TD3 like you suggested

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but this should be fun 🙂

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 7:56 AM

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Yeah that works

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Buy some boons and have fun!

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 7:57 AM

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I will, this game is so much fun 🙂

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 7:58 AM

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Can anyone help me with setting up 32 heat for Rama? First time attempting 32 and im having trouble deciding which conditions would end up being easiest

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Anyone who's willing, please dm me <3

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:00 AM

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Check the pins

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There's a lot of pre-researched info here, Schad has an extensive guide

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On Rama you can play with DC2 if you want to lower some of the other pacts, just spam special

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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Is that viable at high heat? I've done it before at around 16 heat but I found it harder tbh

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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What level of heat are you normally pushing

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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20ish

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:01 AM

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If you're jumping from 16 to 32 that's a lot

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Do you normally clear TD3 times?

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And are you used to FO

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:02 AM

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I am used to FO, not used to TD3, I normally run TD2

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I almost always run FO2

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:02 AM

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FO2???

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You madman

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:02 AM

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Haha it's fun, feels fast paced

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And I run DC2 as well

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:03 AM

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LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 DC2 TD2 should work

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Take stubborn defiance instead of death's defiance

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If you have sub 20 minute times and can do TD3 then you can take off some stuff

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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LC4? Seems difficult

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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LC4+SD is the strat at 32+

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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You kill yourself to heal with stubborn

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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^

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Then I'm always sitting at 30 right

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Yeah it's the first thing Schad has listed in the pin

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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I know to take SD

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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You're effectively at 60%

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Centaur Hearts give you a bit more

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Okay, ill give it a shot

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30%

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I meant

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:04 AM

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Since you “heal” for 25 HP

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Or 50 for big hearts

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:05 AM

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Touch of styx and patty are obv great

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Also, if you pop your stubborn defiance and then take an athena boon and get last stand or deathless stand, you get an athena normal DD and you get your SD back

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Very important

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You can stockpile DDs that way but you have to use your SD in the room first before you get athena

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Common strat in asphodel is to stand in lava before you pick up the boon etc

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Ohhh

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:06 AM

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I’m curious why does it have to be before

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Okay, so Athena dash > splash dash just so I can get her in the pool then?

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:06 AM

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I always do before bc it’s what I saw

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Athena dash is usually a good idea

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Athena defiance only refills if you have an empty slot

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If you don't pop SD you don't have an empty slot

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:06 AM

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Oh that’s why

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For any other boon it doesn’t matter but it’s a good habit then

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Any other god I mean

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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So always get patty and Athena dds before I suicide?

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Athena

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Well patty will give you touch of styx dark

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You'll heal more on SD but won't get more

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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You can’t suicide in patty room anyway

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Ohh

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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^

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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Yeah duh lol

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:07 AM

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And if you get patty late and get a 2 sack you can bring the patty buff into hades fight

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But really if you have clean boss fights SD isn't bad

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:08 AM

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I'm at 33 heat with those conditions you said, should I just remove one CF?

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Oh wait

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:08 AM

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You should not be at 33

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Hell mode?

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:08 AM

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I still have heightened security lol

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:08 AM

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Oh

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Turn that crap off lol

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It's awful

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Is abyssal better than boiling blood at this heat

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Or is it just better to down the bosses faster with boiling

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Personal preference

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Don't think either is a deal-maker

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You're running dark foresight right

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:09 AM

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Yeah

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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K good

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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And pride

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Going for arty so I'm not really reliant on any duos

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Which aspect

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Rama right

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Seems fine

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Yeah

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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GL on the hammers

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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Thanks

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Decided to try TD3

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And FO1

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:10 AM

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If your usual clear times are sub 20 minute it's a no brainer

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Seems reasonable

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:11 AM

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They always are but I've never done this much heat so

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Idk if it'll slow it down that much

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I'll have to find out

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Yeah good luck

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Just do a lot of reps

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It's a big jump

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:11 AM

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Tyty!

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Figured if im not gaining more blood

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Might as well make the jump from 20 lol

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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It's a common strat if you specialize in a particular weapon

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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That's me and rama haha

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Might try chaos shield first if rama proves to be too difficult

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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What is a common strat

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Jump from 20 to 32

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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I have a hard time believing I'll struggle with chaos shield even with that heat jump

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:12 AM

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Chaos shield?

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Your damage output is kinda terrible

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But yeah it's viable

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All weapons can do 32 with enough practice

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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But ill never die hah

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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You'll die to TD3

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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Yeag I'll just do FO2

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Also the damage is pretty good with ares or aphro duos

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With dio build

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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If you wanna play shield why not just play beo

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:13 AM

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I'm scared to lol

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:14 AM

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This channel has a lot of very very good beo players

woeful echo Feb 22, 2021, 8:14 AM

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I'll have to look into it, I've never used it before

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Thanks a ton for the help

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 8:21 AM

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Of course! There are actually good players here too that will be very helpful when they wake up

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But in the meantime I'm here lol

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 8:23 AM

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unique zephyr I love practicing hades just wish my chronic pain didn’t limit practice time

Daily practice is probably more important than long practice sessions.

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 9:06 AM

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mossy zinc Daily practice is probably more important than long practice sessions.

So consistency over length then, that’s very doable and good to know 🙂

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 9:08 AM

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Yeah, and the time between you can use to rethink your strategies or look into how other players solved problems that you're running into.

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 9:09 AM

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Ah ok I’ve been watching high heat runs glad that’s actually helpful and not just entertaining lol

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My main barriers: get used to forced overtime and eventually TD3

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After I get used to both FO levels and TD3 I should be able to climb heat easier 🙂

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People who can consistently sub 20 amaze me

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:10 AM

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I come from speedrunning so it was pretty natural

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I've done hundreds of speedruns

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it takes practice for sure

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:12 AM

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yeah it just takes practice and getting used to the timer

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:12 AM

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a big part high heat is about being able to switch between fast and safe and knowing when to do so

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I'm still working on the safe part haha

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:13 AM

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same LOL

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i do agree tho, high heat kind of becomes a balance of aggression and safety which is pretty interesting

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 9:17 AM

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High heat interests me more than speed runs but I do want to get faster

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Also EM4 is another barrier but I know I just need to learn the fight

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I only beat EM4 once and that was without any other heat with merciful end lol

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I’m glad I’m used to EM3 enough that it’s standard now

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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you don’t actually need to learn EM4 until 50+ for most aspects

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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Ok that’s very good to know

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By most aspects what are some exceptions lol

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:18 AM

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combined with other pacts it’s absolutely terrifying

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beowulf mostly

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other shields can handle it better to a certain degree as well, but for beo it’s a pretty good idea to start looking at EM4 around 40-45

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i delayed it until 50 ‘cause i was scared of the fight tho lol, and that worked out okay for me

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but yeah other aspects it’s recommended against, even for 50 usually

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:20 AM

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yeah beo is the only one I’d do EM4 on for 50 or lower

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it needs boons a lot, but when you get the build it’s really good at EM4. so you basically trade RI and AP for EM4

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:22 AM

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even at 50-55 most people don't take em4 (other than beo). It's just retrash

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:22 AM

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^ yeah lmao

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:22 AM

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indeed lol

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:23 AM

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at the high 50s you have to take it though

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:23 AM

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yeah Retrash has so many 50+ clear he kinda skews the data on his own

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but most everyone else isn’t using it

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:23 AM

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Legend says Retrash doesn't know classic Hades bossfight

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:23 AM

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he once said he started learning EM4 before FO2

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i don’t think he’s turned it off since he unlocked it

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:24 AM

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I mean I think he’s said he never turned EM4 off since unlocking it

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so like

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:24 AM

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yeah exactly

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:24 AM

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the legend may be true

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:25 AM

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someone needs to push barrel roll a bit higher

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so I can take it with a beo wr

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I can't do 53+ on any other aspect

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and it seems like a waste to do 54 again

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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I was working on Hestia 53, but I got butterflied

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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what’s it on now

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:26 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/807672625739858000/813075890305105940/unknown.png

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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53 right now

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but it's a retrash run so slow

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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hmm

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how hard was beo 53

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:27 AM

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I've never done it

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I went from 52 to 54

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:28 AM

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lol fair

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28 mins should be easy to beat anyway

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assuming i don’t die

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:28 AM

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yeah if you lose to 28 mins with beo that would be impressive tbh

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:28 AM

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ugh problem is i have no hell mode so it’d have to be RI1

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yeah lol particularly since i’ll be running TD3

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8 minutes overtime has gotta be a record

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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yeah you would basically be doing my 54 pact

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haelian did that 0 min timer run

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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You can enable hell mode on your normal save I think

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:29 AM

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where he just waited for timer to run out every floor

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you cannot enable hell mode

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you need a new save

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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^

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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if you want to download one, you can grab a maxed one from speedrun.com

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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Sadness

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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it's pretty easy to just paste it into your saves folder

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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yeah maybe i should just download one

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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that's what I did

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:30 AM

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grinding my own is kinda fun, it’s just taking a while

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apparently ledger hasn’t even unlocked beo yet in ~200 runs

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:31 AM

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lucifer took forever for me

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I got the epilogue much before lucifer

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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Did you try getting triple bomb

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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alright imma try some 53 runs i guess

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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no I didn't unlock it

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:32 AM

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see how bad it is

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:33 AM

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I think I'll push beo up to about 56 eventually

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I was trying 58 and it's tough

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furthest I've gotten is heroes

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:34 AM

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58 is kind of a weird number

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i would’ve gone for 57

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might be underestimating DC tho idk

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:34 AM

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well I thought 57 would be the limit

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so I wanted to see how feasible 58 would be

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57 would be hard on timer

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CP2 DC2 is really slow, especially with RI ruining your build

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:35 AM

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oh for sure

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but without AP2 you’ve at least got some kind of a build

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idk you’re the expert here anyway

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:36 AM

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56 shouldn't be too bad

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but witch rooms with DC2 tilt me beyond belief

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so 57 I'll wait on

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:36 AM

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56 beo shouldn’t be too bad are words i didn’t think anyway would ever say lmao

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you are the chosen one

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:37 AM

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the reason I think 58 is possible is because I can clear tart pretty fast on CP2 with no boons

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:37 AM

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really?

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thats impressive

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do you need charged shot or is beo's base kit enough

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:37 AM

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shackle beo shackle beo

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beo's kit is enough

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aspho is really hard though

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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i gotta try shackle beo sometime

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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aspho STINKY

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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and elysium... well I've never beaten that

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I only even got to heroes once

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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worth it for my 53 attempts do you think?

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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even getting to heroes is still p impressive

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my issue with pushing beo that high tho

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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I like it because I hate resetting for cast

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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is that once you start bricking your build with RI and AP, how do you deal with dad?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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if you don't mind resetting a few times every run it might be worse

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:38 AM

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with TD3

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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I also find the novelty of random garbage casts fun, but that's not for everyone

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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it does seem p fun ngl

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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it is kinda fun

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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my current plan for EM4 is to pray for snow burst

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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slicing flare ftw

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actually legit mad hunting blades beo isn't a thing

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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yeah we got cucked

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:39 AM

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I kind of want to try stygian high heat, but only dio and ares are good for that

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and ares is "good"

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but actually bad

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:40 AM

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getting a good dio cast build running above 50 heat would be the highroll of the century

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:40 AM

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dio beo with RI is dubious at best for sure

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:40 AM

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we should get ananke on that, rng seems to work differently for him

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:41 AM

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the other reason I wanted 58 is it would be the shield heat wr

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:41 AM

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ah yes ofc

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:41 AM

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with baj at 57 right now

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:41 AM

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baj spent so much time working on 62 i forgot his record was only 57

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he could definitely go higher if he wanted

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:42 AM

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oh for sure

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zeus is definitely a better aspect for 58+ heat

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and baj is a better player than me

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I still wish I could seed snow burst start to try to get a really high heat seeded run 😦

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maybe I could try seeding charged shot

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:44 AM

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i mean, you could do it

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 9:44 AM

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snow burst better than like, icy flare? is the shackle cast something worth keeping

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:44 AM

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snow burst you can't get first boon

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snow burst is the best T1 boon in the game for beo

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shackle or not

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:44 AM

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you can with rerolls, but rip rerolls lmao

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:45 AM

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you can find a cast later anyway

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you usually naturally get one by the end of aspho

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:45 AM

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most satisfying part of pushing 50+ is being able to go down the pact and just press + on each one until its maxed

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until you get to RI ofc

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:45 AM

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lol yeah

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the 57 pact of AP2 RI2 all maxed

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or my 58 pact of DC0 RI2 all maxed

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60 pact of just RI2 👀

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Too much work

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:47 AM

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beo 60

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:47 AM

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I mean that was tail's pact

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 9:47 AM

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Rama goes a long way

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:47 AM

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beo 60 needs snow burst + charge shot to keep up with timer I think

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 9:48 AM

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But Tail is Tail

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:48 AM

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not realistic

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58 only needs one or the other, and can clear tart with neither

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:48 AM

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Anvil is the 60 secret move 👀

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:48 AM

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that anvil in tail's run was so clutch

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:49 AM

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okay here we go

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will i get out of tartarus? my bet is no

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:50 AM

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Which aspect/heat?

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:50 AM

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beo 54

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oh wait i was meant to do 53 for the barrel roll whoops

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i’ll change my pact when i die in 5 seconds

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:51 AM

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CP2 DC2 or RI2?

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CP2 DC2 tart will be hard

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 9:51 AM

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It's fine, just wait for a 53 submit before posting your 54 😄

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:51 AM

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it's already at 53

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54 is valid

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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CP2 DC2 is only 52

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oh true

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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are you doing RI1 or RI2

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:52 AM

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i wanted to beat the time tho

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RI2 atm

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maybe not worth it, but i wanted to see how it felt

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:53 AM

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RI2 is more punishing early, but more likely to finish if you get a good start I think

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:53 AM

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my start was common tempest flourish

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 9:54 AM

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I did RI1 after some pretty bad deaths to furies/early aspho

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then kind of kicked myself because I might have won on 56 heat with my run lmao

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since I played the start so clean

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 9:59 AM

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okay died for furies

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this is fine everything’s fine

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:00 AM

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Have you tried dodging 🧐

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I hear not getting hit is a very good tactic.

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:01 AM

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takes notes

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:01 AM

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While you're at it, hitting the enemy so they die is the way to win.

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wrestles phone away from Hypnos

trim sigil Feb 22, 2021, 10:06 AM

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residentsleeper strats indeed residentzag

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:06 AM

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okay screw you poseidon

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dude keeps giving me special, so i switch to shackle

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natural poseidon first room and he offers cast

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:12 AM

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That's not awful

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You get the cast you want and your attack+special wreck face in T

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:13 AM

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yeah it’s fine

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it’s just like

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poseidon is messing with me

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:13 AM

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To be fair, he's Poseidon

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:14 AM

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true lol

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:26 AM

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rip

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just had a really lucky 58 heat run

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timed out in heroes

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tart+ aspho were way too slow

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even late patty couldn't save me

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I had 0 seconds for em3 haha

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 10:27 AM

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unique zephyr Ah ok I’ve been watching high heat runs glad that’s actually helpful and not jus...

It's helpful if you're looking for specific things and actually look into things you didn't know about or don't understand. If you're just watching for entertainment, you're probably not learning very much.

halcyon flame Feb 22, 2021, 10:27 AM

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cp2 moment

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:27 AM

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cp2 moment indeed

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I had snow burst 😦

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and poseidon cast

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it was so good

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0 free rooms in tart + aspho was rough though. And I took a slow trial to get snow burst

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

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edgy arrow natural poseidon first room and he offers cast

that's honestly the best case scenario. You get the cast and a fast tart

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

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yeah it was just funny

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that was my best run so far, because i died in asphodel

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:29 AM

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I've had attack + cast in c4 with shackle start before haha

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but they were good boons so I wasn't complaining

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:30 AM

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i’m having serious trouble getting out of tartarus atm

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:30 AM

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also I went for a big brain aspho hourglass in the 58 heat attempt I just did

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:30 AM

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oh?

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worth?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:30 AM

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I think so

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I bought touch + extra cast + random which gave me +armor damage

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:31 AM

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nice

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Do skull earring for more damage and a faster time with cp2

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:31 AM

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then in next midshop I took braid and switched to earring

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 10:31 AM

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Do you need acorn on beo EM4 or not that much?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:31 AM

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you do

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with no DDs at least

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I've done it with no SD lost before with no acorn, so not 100% necessary

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but on very high heat build will be worse. That was "only" 54

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"""only"""

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:32 AM

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Nothing only about 50+

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:33 AM

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well I'll need acorn for 58 is what I'm saying. Big thing about AP2 is you can't target poms

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so your cast is terrible

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Mom Pom start

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:33 AM

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I've considered it

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if I were to seed a run I might try it

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but if you don't rng into cast it's terrible

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:33 AM

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Then dio gives you Nectar boon next

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:34 AM

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cast -> nectar in c2 is a really good start

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if only I had played aspho faster I might have gotten to styx

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I played too careful in a few rooms

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my build was good enough to beat heroes

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:35 AM

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How about

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Td2 ri2 max

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:35 AM

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no

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well maybe

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that's 57 though right?

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57 probably easier with AP1 instead of TD2

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so you still get boons

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would be a very tight timer though

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 10:37 AM

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The idea is you can take it slow and safe

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And shackle up tart and possibly asph

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:37 AM

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I could try it

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:37 AM

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bladed dash pog

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:37 AM

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blade dash is pretty dece

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dash starts on shackle aren't bad

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honestly the only rough starts are like zeus, offering attack/cast. And even then you can just take attack to sell

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:38 AM

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people have been telling me it’s good for a while, but i don’t think i ever really gave it a try before

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okay there’s braid of atlas in the styx shop

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gonna do a pseudo

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:39 AM

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lmao

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in styx shop? probably not worth to switch

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:39 AM

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sorry well of charon

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why did i say styx shop lmao

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yeah i’m just coming out of tartarus

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:40 AM

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I think I'm the first person to equip hourglass on 58 heat

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:40 AM

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probably lmao

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also the first person to play beo at 58

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make your own meta

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:41 AM

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ah I know why my damage wasn't as high as before

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before I was doing the even more cursed ruthless reflex build

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you squeeze a bit of dps at the cost of safety

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 10:43 AM

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One day in the future, the 24 aspects OTP tribes will appear 👀

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

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I wonder what the highest heat anyone else has ever equipped hourglass is

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not much higher than 50 I would imagine

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

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is it better to take rav will or reroll for snow burst?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

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common? or higher rarity

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

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rare

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:44 AM

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I would usually take it

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rare rav will is pretty good

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:45 AM

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makes sense

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:45 AM

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not as good as snow burst, but with AP1 you aren't close to guaranteed to get it

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common I might roll

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:45 AM

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yeah

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i’ve only got 1 reroll as well

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:45 AM

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yeah losing your last roll can be scary

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chaos and UC can be disasters

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I think I'm going to give up on 58 heat for the foreseeable future

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I'll wait on extreme high heat beo for barrel roll

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until then, I'll do 50 heat speedruns to go for a 13:XX and try 50 heat bow/rail

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:49 AM

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just wait until the barrel roll is at 57

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then bam

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:50 AM

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I'll definitely go for it once it hits 57

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don't hold your breath on a victory though haha

spice lava Feb 22, 2021, 10:51 AM

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For the moment, we just need a lower 53 time or a 54, but being faster that the current 53 is doable I guess

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:51 AM

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that 53 was slow even for a TD2 run so any 53 should do pretty much

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:52 AM

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mossy zinc It's helpful if you're looking for specific things and actually look into things...

Good point, thanks for pointing that out. I do have trouble figuring out how people go fast enough for TD3, but I will use a more critical eye now, thanks for telling me how to learn more!

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I have a hard time seeing the minutiae that makes people fast enough if that makes sense

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I do see how the free rooms and Thanatos make it easier but I can’t fully control that

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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if you really want to see where the flaws are in your play you could post a vid

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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epic snow burst in elysium let’s goooo

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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a bunch of people would be happy to watch + help I think

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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Where do I post it

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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one thing i'll say from personal experience about watching other ppls vods

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:53 AM

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Ok, when I start a new run I’ll make an OBS file

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:54 AM

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is that i think the best way to do it is use the aspect yourself, then watch the vod, then try again, repeat

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 10:54 AM

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Did you watch Wriste13's video yet? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3Mmoo4oTKU

YouTube

Wriste13

Speedrunning Basics: Mirror, Heat, Builds, and More

I hope you found this guide useful. I intend to put out other more advanced guides, including ones for specific weapons such as Beowulf. All links mentioned in the video are listed below, as well as timestamps. Any questions I'm happy to answer in the comments or on Twitch!

This was streamed at: https://www.twitch.tv/wriste13.
A written version...

▶ Play video

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:54 AM

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what nyaa said is hella true, you need to be paying close attention to get the most out of vids

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and i think playing the aspect your'e watching helps a lot with that

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:54 AM

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I think I saw that a long time ago but I’ll watch it again

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:55 AM

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shy gulch is that i think the best way to do it is use the aspect yourself, then watch the...

I’ll do that then, I don’t find very many Hestia vids on YouTube

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:55 AM

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theres a ton of high heat hestia in the spreadsheet and on speedrun dot com

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just check 32, 40, or 50 heat categories

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probably 50 if you're just trying to complete high heat

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32 and 40 will have a lot of speedrun strats, which are not the best for pure completion

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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32 will play very recklessly yeah

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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aka start tidal dash and dash into enemies a lot LOL

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whereas super high heat hestia will play at a very safe distance

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Well I want to work up to at least 40 but I have to complete 32 first

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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they basically just play like any heat but die sometimes

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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yeah

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Also I see a lot of 32 still use DD

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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for speedrunning, 32 heat is any heat but a bit more punishing

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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Spawn manipulation is a big one—and also, making sure you clean enemy waves efficiently. You don't want to kill three enemies one by one if you can kill them all at the same time.

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:56 AM

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32 you can go either way

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 AM

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Spawn manipulation? I didn’t know that was a thing

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Or how that works

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I can’t tell from a video so can someone explain that?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 AM

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enemies tend to spawn close to you

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so between waves speedrunners will stand in a place they want enemies to spawn

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 AM

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usually near a wall or the exit if possible

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 AM

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usually by the end door, or in a confined space that makes it easy to group enemies

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:57 AM

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lol yea

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:58 AM

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Oooh that’s neat

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:58 AM

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avoid standing between two seperated areas or in the middle of a big room

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:58 AM

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some rooms are just weird but most rooms, enemies will spawn in your general vicinity so standing near a wall will help make them easier to kill efficiently

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:58 AM

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I notice enemies spawn far away from me sometimes though why is that?

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When I play

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Like opposite corner in Tartarus

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:58 AM

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yeah some rooms just decide to spawn an enemy in Afghanistan for no reason

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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might just be the room layout, might be that they did something like

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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tartarus have annoying rooms

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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A good rule of thumb is when you enter a room, make sure you aggro everything, then dash towards the exit and fight your enemies there.

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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spawning while you were there, then finished spawning as you moved away

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Or close to the Well if you want to check the Well.

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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but asphodel is the most cursed

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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asphodel is the worst yeah

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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I find that in my TD3 attempts unless I get free rooms Tartarus is tight but asphodel is less so

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Timer wise

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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I do 2-3 laps of the circle rooms in aspho trying to find a wavemaker sometimes

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 10:59 AM

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Not sure why

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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tart is always one of the hardest biomes on TD3 ngl

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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If you can't find off-screen enemies quickly, throw a Cast. Most Casts have some minor homing that will show you the general direction of your enemies.

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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like for making it out in time

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aspho is where you save up time for elysium usually

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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Does this apply to a boon less cast too?

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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yes

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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yea TD3 hardest part is making it out of tart before than starts knocking

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:00 AM

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Yes, base Cast has homing.

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:01 AM

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asphodel mobs jumps away from you so sometimes the cast goes nowhere

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residentzag

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:01 AM

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I noticed asphodel mobs like to jump away a lot too

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So much distance

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Asphodel rooms are so big

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:01 AM

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speedy FO2 wavemakers on a melee weapon in a massive aspho room residentzag

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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asphodel just makes me cry all around

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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Right now Elysium is the hardest for me FO1 wise

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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say no to fo2

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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I die to skeletons lol

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6 heat though

halcyon flame Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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asphodel is quick, you just gotta hope the enemies don't jump around

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lmao

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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I think fo1 is quite good to get used to, and it makes enemy spawn quicker iirc

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:02 AM

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I plan on getting used to FO1

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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it does. That's why people take FO1/2 in any heat speedruns

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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I'm assuming MM too?

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Is max LC good to get used to in 32 heat just so I know the stubborn strats for jumping up in heat?

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Stubborn isn’t as bad as I thought mostly

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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if you want to go higher in heat than 32, goin LC4 now isnt a bad idea

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might as well

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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The heat needs to come from somewhere

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Except like vs Hades

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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for 32 LC4 or DDs with LC 1-2 are both fine

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:03 AM

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i found LC4 SD easier when trying to do 32 heat my first time tbh

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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Like any heat pact I can think of without lc4 at 32 is probs kinda crap

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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if you want to do 40+, you'll need to learn to use SDs

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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If you want to do 40+, get used to HL5 LC4 FO2.

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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the scary pact combo

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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The scary pact combo is RI1 ap2

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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don't take RI1 ap2. Easy

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:04 AM

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I’m wondering now if I should straight up only do FO2 practice or start with FO1 first

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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true that one adds so much rng to the run and then "nope sell that boon"

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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With bonus credit to JS3 cp2 td3

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Thanks btw for answering the questions

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RI1 is surprisingly painful

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No dark foresight

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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don't take RI1 pls

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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if you see shield bois Elysium, you can cry

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Crappy boons

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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I relate

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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RI1 is probs the worst single tick of heat on the entire pact

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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RI1 should not be in any 40 heat pact IMO

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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Shield bois with arrows

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They are the worst

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:05 AM

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not HS?

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I'd just do FO2, personally. But I can't answer that for you, you'll have to decide for yourself. I have way faster reactions than most, so I can't say do that because it worked for, because it might not work as well for you.

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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nooooo died to cerbie

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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rip 😦

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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Ah ok I’ll figure it out then

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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would’ve cleared that run if it wasn’t sneaks

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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But there are a lot of players who manage FO2 who have probably average reactions.

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I would think TD3 is better to focus on than fo2 just at 32

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But you'll need both eventually

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:06 AM

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I think that ends up coming from practice and experience

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

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as a peasant gamer with probably average reactions, FO2 just takes practice

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

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TD3 feels more daunting than getting used to faster enemies

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

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for my first and only 32 with Eris
I used fo1 mm bp2 dc1 td3 I think ri1 and ap1

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it was alright but mostly cos it's eris

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

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pls no RI1

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:07 AM

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But I’ll look at the speed run video that Nyaanyaa posted

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Ew approval process

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Going fast just takes practice

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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bp2 is fun

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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I hope I can avoid AP until 50

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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even AP1 is mostly a trap at 32 I think, but more excusable than RI1

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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RI very not good

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Well, it's more than just getting used to it. If you can't react to something even with practice, you can't react. FO2 Speeder projectiles from off-screen can just end you, and there's no time to react.

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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at 40 you can still get away with AP0

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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at 50 you're gonna have to take AP1 at least

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sadly

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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At fo2 brightswords will just end you sometimes

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:08 AM

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45 is where AP1 starts to be pretty mandatory usually I think

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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^

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anyway beo 53 is definitely doable for me

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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I will definitely start with at least FO1

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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out of my league probably, but with enough tries i can clear it

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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was that RI2 ohokwy? and how was timer?

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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You could also try my favorite 32 strategy and take RI4.

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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that was RI1 DC1

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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8 free Heat.

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:09 AM

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ah ok so my 54 pact

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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RI4 sounds ew

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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timer was tightish

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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think i would've had time tho

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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As an alternative to nyaa's strategy, I recommend not doing that

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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The pact I’m going to try once I get used to FO1

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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use full DC and BP2 and witness 10DC skulls that teleports

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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I’m doing RidiuclousHat’s fun pact for now

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The 20-ish heat one

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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24 ez

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:10 AM

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For 20-ish Heat, I like RI4.

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It's 8 free Heat.

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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You keep saying that

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I do not think it means what you think it means

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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I wonder what the hardest 32 heat pact is

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RI4 for sure

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AP2 maybe?

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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RI4 LC4 AP2

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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hs, js3, bp2

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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how many's that

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17?

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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The hardest 32 Heat pact is Beowulf, because that aspect sucks.

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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off to a good start

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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RI4 lc4 JS3 cp2 td3 ap2 at least

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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m I right? dusa

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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stack all the bad 1 heats

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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ron

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:11 AM

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Put HS in there

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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shy plinth RI4 lc4 JS3 cp2 td3 ap2 at least

this plus FO2 is 32

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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The trick with making purposely awful pacts is to never take extreme measures

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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i think

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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idk em4 might be pretty bad

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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RI4 is free heat yeah

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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EM3 feels standard to me now

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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AP is also free heat

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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That's 10 heat

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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just get lucky

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its easy

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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That's why you don't include it

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:12 AM

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yeah

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even RI4 LC4 I don't think I could do very well haha

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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UC?

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Underworld customs

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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RI4 LC4 is pretty free with Guan Yu.

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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RI4 EM4 actually sounds like kind of a cute challenge

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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oh true

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Guan Yu > Beowulf confirmed.

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Is RI4 mirrorless

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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yeah

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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Just to be sure

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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is UC bad

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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not really

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just annoying

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:13 AM

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UC is considered one of the freest pacts

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its annoying but like

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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Single dash and no defiance sounds icky

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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better than most others

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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its annoying in a manageable way

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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UC you need to remember it exists but it’s pretty gentle

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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yeah

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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UC is core unless you have three beo players in the same room

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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All things considered

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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RI4 AP2 LC4 TD3 CP2 DC2 JS3 seems pretty rough

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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There are much worse 2 heat

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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Where is Astaos to see Nyaanyaa say Guan Yu > Beo

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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solar maple RI4 AP2 LC4 TD3 CP2 DC2 JS3 seems pretty rough

With Arthur

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:14 AM

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ugh cp2 td3 and js3 is death

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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solar maple RI4 AP2 LC4 TD3 CP2 DC2 JS3 seems pretty rough

can i use eris? that makes half those pacts practically free

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actually lowkey wanna try that on eris now

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Is this the new challenge?

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Glhf

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Eris makes half the pact practically free

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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if i can seed lightning strike

vital grove Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Worst pact imaginable 32?

mossy zinc Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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neat sonnet Where is Astaos to see Nyaanyaa say Guan Yu > Beo

@gaunt fiber is currently in his Poké Ball.

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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challenge: don't have fun

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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hardy linden challenge: don't have fun

Instructions unclear not playing Hades

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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1 dash eris is pain though

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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Dang, guess he has to sleep sometimes when he’s not out there representing aspect boot camp

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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solar maple 1 dash eris is pain though

that's actually true

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:15 AM

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that pact is free on eris? we must have different definitions of free

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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also i'm very very bad at eris lmao

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i've never bothered to learn to play it because i could clear 40 without knowing how

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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the thing with eris at high heat for me is that

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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someday when i push it higher i'll have to get good

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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I noticed as I went up heat my favorite weapons and aspects change a lot

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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its an aspect that can do a ton of damage, but it cannot do so very safely

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compared to things like idk

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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if I were to try that pact I would probably go shackle zeus shield

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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rama or zeus, or even beowulf

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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and lose

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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I remember back when I was pushing 5 heat and said talos was my favorite aspect

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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1 cast beo stinky

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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Ah memories

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:16 AM

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Talos was decent okay

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early on

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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It's fun!

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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1 cast beo is actually pretty fun at 32

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stinky at 40+ tho prolly

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Ah talos, I don’t know if I ever actually tried it

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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I completed a fist run with Poseidon dash

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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i'll leave that stuff to atticor

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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maybe I should try an RI3 beo run

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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is Chiron good at high heat

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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seems pretty miserable though

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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define high

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kent

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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It's slow

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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its good for 32

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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um 32-40

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Like it's fine

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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Trueee

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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as u go higher than that

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it gets worse

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:17 AM

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But td3 becomes a problem

neat sonnet Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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Special sloooow on Chiron

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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use dio

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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basically it gets worse the more FO and TD (and JS) you have to add, imo

unique zephyr Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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Does the speed run video Nyan posted help with TD3

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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chiron is pretty good for clearing 32-40, but it falls off quite fast

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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makes TD3 much easier

shy plinth Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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And every time you're playing chiron, you have to ask... why is this not rama

solar maple Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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^^

shy gulch Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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lol yea

edgy arrow Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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its true lmao

hardy linden Feb 22, 2021, 11:18 AM

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for Rama videos do I just watch tail