#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 252

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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but also can really mess you up sometimes

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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bright you gotta stop using these big words

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remember the time you said

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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like REALLY mess you up

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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d e m o c r a t i z i n g high heat

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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What is rod?

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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So my mirror is good got it

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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I'm literally laughing IRL now

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Thanks for checking it out everyone 🙂

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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schad if you think thats a big word just wait till they bump you up from first to second grade buddy

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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that must be the top moments in this channel

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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schad i came up with what i think is the optimally worst eris build

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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true fable schad if you think thats a big word just wait till they bump you up from first t...

relevant name

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Lighting rod?

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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do you want to see how high heat you can take it

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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solemn pulsar do you want to see how high heat you can take it

.....depends on how bad it is

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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(worst without going boonless)

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:23 PM

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nah schad is a pure eris player

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he doesnt mess with off brand eris rail

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he didnt even believe in MEris

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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nah I do enjoy eris variety

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especially things like

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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I want to get good at Rama, it feels cool

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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spread fire that I'm forced to use on elysium on a really good 56 run 🙃

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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I like the sounds and it feels strong

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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I really enjoy that 🙃

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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mirror: shadow presence/FP doesnt matter, dark regen, stubborn defiance, ruthless reflex, abyssal blood, infernal/stygian meh doesn't matter, golden touch, HC/thick skin doesn't matter, priviliged status, olympian favor, gods legacy , fated persuasion to roll off of core boons not in your main build

then for boons only take:
tempest strike: no sea storm allowed
drunken flourish
mistral dash
crystal beam (no glacial glare, crystal clarity, or cold embrace allowed)
aphrodite call (no full call allowed)

then from hermes only take quick recovery, greater haste, greater evasion, or cast boons

and for hammers only take: spread fire or hazard bomb if they're there, but 100% do not take rocket, cluster, or triple bomb

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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variety is great 🙃

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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I just get hit in charge up a lot

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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rama sounds are so good

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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hypothetical for the chat

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:24 PM

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What is this abomination

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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oof okay.... okay okay

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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do you think itd be better if AP wouldnt be able to cross out hammers

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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What is this for??

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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Better for whom

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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AP should cross out wells, both purchasing and purging

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to make it a true abomination

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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true fable do you think itd be better if AP wouldnt be able to cross out hammers

yes, because hammers brick your runs. boons don't.

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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shy plinth Better for whom

game health

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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also AP shouldn't ever leave you with 1 boon replacement

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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my argument is that you cant roll hammers

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:25 PM

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I do not believe approval process is designed for game health specifically

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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or if you want AP to work like this, allow us to sell hammer for 0 gold

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and it's always an option

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and it doesn't work for UC

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that'll make it reasonable

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the problem right now is that it adds a layer of RNG that's just as frustrating, and even less skill dependent, than the sac mechanic

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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I wonder how many 40 heat players were interested in it like me but didn’t think they could do it at first

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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just being able to pass on a hammer would be fine

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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and sadly that layer only matters at ultrahigh heat

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yeah passing on a hammer

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that's better than my idea

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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unique zephyr I wonder how many 40 heat players were interested in it like me but didn’t think...

i was

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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unique zephyr I wonder how many 40 heat players were interested in it like me but didn’t think...

me

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:27 PM

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i started out by asking @bronze viper how tf he cleared 40 on chaos shield

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:27 PM

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Ok good, I do want to climb up the heat

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I’m just unsure of myself lol

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:27 PM

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because i couldnt go fast enough to beat the deadline

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:27 PM

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TD3?

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I need to get used to TD3 too I can’t do sub 20 consistently on low heat or even no lol

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:27 PM

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solemn pulsar mirror: shadow presence/FP doesnt matter, dark regen, stubborn defiance, ruthles...

I think the hard part is not only the run, but the fact that you're enforcing all my boons/hammers

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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I can count completed sub 20 runs in one hand

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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like I have to route it to get what you want

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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@unique zephyr turn on td3 and leave it there until you get it

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Btw when is golden touch ever useful

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Try lower heats but you just gotta get used to it

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Just for meta currency?

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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if you only enforce the attack and special I can do it up to 40 I think

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Max gold runs idk

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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rain sedge I think the hard part is not only the run, but the fact that you're enforcing al...

well i'm saying only take those

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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I’ll keep TD3 on then and hyper focus free rooms

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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not "make sure you take all of those"

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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but otherwise, I'm gonna have to reset until I can get those boons

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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I’m sloppy time wise in TD2

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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yeah but

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Try speedrunning @unique zephyr

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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Also pause a lot

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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TD2 is lenient enough for me I only died to it once lol

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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you'll be offered situations where you just have to take a core boon that's not in the list

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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golden touch is basically just for farming blood/diamonds from the styx shop

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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And that run was doomed anyway

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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you know what I mean?

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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or meme hoarding slash runs

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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rain sedge you'll be offered situations where you just have to take a core boon that's not ...

how? you have rolls

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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that's it

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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and I can't pass on that

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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and it's almost never all core boons

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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but the rolls will run out quickly with such a constrained boon

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yknow what

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I'll try it at 32

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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if it bricks it dw about it lol

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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and see if it's easy to do that

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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bright mango Try speedrunning <@266732686838595606>

Lol climbing heat interests me more atm

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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so if I leave boon slot empty

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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and the hammers shouldnt be too bad

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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it's all game?

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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just "take these if show up"

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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speedrunning 👁️

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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yeah but no shackle

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:29 PM

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no shackle

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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I need to max out shackle lol

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It’s at level 2

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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unique zephyr Lol climbing heat interests me more atm

Speedrunning will help

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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and other than that, I'm free other keepsakes?

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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feel free to not force a god in asphodel

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yeah do whatever

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just if you want a boon, has to be those

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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It makes you learn how to go fast

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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(core boon)

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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alright

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32 should be free

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brb

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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I never speed ran a game before, the goal is just to do it faster and faster?

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I heard forced overtime makes the spawns faster

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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Yes

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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dont forget the mirror

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:30 PM

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speedrunning in this game is very different than other games

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Fo2 and em2 for speedrunning

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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Oh crap I’m not good enough for high confidence lmao

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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rain sedge speedrunning in this game is _very_ different than other games

So true

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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have you ever tried a "speedrun"? Not using all the strats just trying to go as fast as possible

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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I need that 100 health in the beginning

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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okay imagine this

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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solar maple have you ever tried a "speedrun"? Not using all the strats just trying to go as ...

I did a run with just TD3 and tried to go fast enough I wouldn’t die to it

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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you're bill murray on groundhog day

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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If that counts

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I got 17:30

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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the first run I ever tried to do an eris speedrun I beat my casual pb by 8 mins

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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17:30 is my fastest time

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:31 PM

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your goal is to go to a casino, play the slot machine, and run 100 times in a row

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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My first ever escape was with eris and it was 24 min

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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@unique zephyr I'm probably a pretty similar skill level as you - consistently clear 20s and inconsistently clear 32s - feel free to take a look at my vods on the barrel roll challenge and see what I do differently than you

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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if you lose, you kill yourself, and start the new day

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that's the speedrun in this game

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Or you can watch the vods of other people in this channel who are much better than me

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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you don't need slots to beat 17:30 schad

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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I know... I'm being facetious

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....17:30?

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Also @unique zephyr watch speedrunners

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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shy plinth <@!266732686838595606> I'm probably a pretty similar skill level as you - consis...

I will, where are the vods and what’s the barrel roll challenge

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1QH4Vq8PIo54cjgm_lem9xqrnLbd8nFRT4nOiYcZl5m4/edit#gid=1775740672

Google Docs

Hades Monthly Challenges

Recent runs

Last 7 days, Newest Submission to Oldest
Submission Date,Run Date,Player,Heat,Weapon - Aspect,Platform,Video,Victory Screen,Challenge,Extra Challenge?,Heat,Clear Time,Notes
20-Feb-2021,16-Feb-2021,Retrash,Spear - Achilles,PC,https://i.imgur.c...

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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it's probably a bit late for you to contribute to barrel roll

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no offence

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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None taken lol

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I was asking about vod sources

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Yeah at this point it is pretty insane

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But my vods are in there

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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you would need either a sub ~19 52 heat or a 53 heat run

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I have an arthur, a gilga, and an eris

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All of em under 17 I think

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:33 PM

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I’d be happy just completing a heat run that high lol

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But first I need to beat 32 lol

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Also the eris run is scint feast+ice wine in honor of @rain sedge

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Pls don't do that

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:34 PM

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definitely. 53 heat is extremely hard

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:34 PM

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The pact suggested to me for 32 is doable except TD3 so I do need to work on speed

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I find I spend a lot of time moving around to avoid for Hestia

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:34 PM

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@solemn pulsar I think 36 heat I'm comfortable with

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will update you in a bit

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:34 PM

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With the buffed elites and all

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:35 PM

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want me to record for your entertainment or nah

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:35 PM

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nah lol

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im trying at 32

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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But hades speed runs aren’t like other games where you exploit glitches and stuff?

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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not really

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you just play the game fast

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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Is it literally just playing faster

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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I can't think of any glitches that are actually used

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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what happens if hermes offers me none of the boons you specified?

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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unless you count double strike as a boon lmao

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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just take whatever

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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ok

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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no dashes tho

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:36 PM

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this should be fun

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no dashes gotcha

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wait

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hyper sprint is dash?

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or no

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:37 PM

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whatever you think

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:37 PM

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I think that's a yes

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imma dodge that

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:37 PM

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the only glitch I can think of that would be helpful is lernie skip

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but noone has done that in a real run before

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:37 PM

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i kind of wish i thought of the eris attack boons earlier this month

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:38 PM

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Speedrunning in this game is being good + rng

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:38 PM

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to barrel roll people with consecutive eris attack boons

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:38 PM

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I wish I had started earlier so I could do weapons other than beo for it haha

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:39 PM

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I forgot cgull locked sea storm out

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:39 PM

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But yeah would looking up 32 heat speedruns help me

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:39 PM

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damn

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Or what category should I look at

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:39 PM

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lol yeah

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:39 PM

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Just any heat speedrun

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:40 PM

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you dont even need that much effort just to clear this 32, you're very close

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Okay, that was the easiest 40 I've ever done period, wow this weapon is good

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:40 PM

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Which weapon?

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:40 PM

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I applied 2 brain cells that run

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Hestia

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:41 PM

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Lol

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Yeah

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Should I ever take Erebus gates for TD3

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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The first run died fast because I think my muscle memory was just wrong for reload + special +dashing so I was having trouble actually getting attacks to resolve lol, but yeah

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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Like if it has a heart

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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@solemn pulsar if I take a core boon unspecified, but never used it, and will sell it at first opportunity, does that work?

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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rain sedge I forgot cgull locked sea storm out

cant get it without zeus core anyway

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yeah that's fine

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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@unique zephyr you could cheese your 32 with rama special

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/812522738790039592/812673952996392971/image0.png

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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I have spent rerolls and I keep getting core

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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3 core???

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what god

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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true fable i started out by asking <@!143840804899782656> how tf he cleared 40 on chaos shi...

Iirc my response was posting a victory screen for 45 right afterwards lmao

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:42 PM

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bright mango <@266732686838595606> you could cheese your 32 with rama special

I need to learn how to use Rama first

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I’m more used to chiron but I know Rama is more powerful

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Chiron is very slow

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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unique zephyr I need to learn how to use Rama first

This build requires no skill

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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Depends on the heat you're working with. At 32 Chiron is kind of busted

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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unique zephyr I wonder how many 40 heat players were interested in it like me but didn’t think...

me

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my initial goal was 32 all weapons and i thought that was as far as i'd go for a while

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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So many people have been where I am now

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That’s reassuring

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That’s my current goal

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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are we gonna hear about babby tailesque

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:43 PM

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32 all weapons

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Although first 32 Hestia lol

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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My initial goal was 32 with one weapon

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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spread fire is online lmfaooo

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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I dislike spear tho

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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solemn pulsar what god

arty I needed support fire

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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someone pick my next aspect. Spaghetti will ensue an good times will be had by all

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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It was my last weapon to clear and last weapon I got to 16 heat

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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bronze viper someone pick my next aspect. Spaghetti will ensue an good times will be had by ...

gilga 40

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do it

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thankjs

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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bronze viper someone pick my next aspect. Spaghetti will ensue an good times will be had by ...

Guan Yu

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Now I’ve done it with 6 of them(i haven’t put any time into the rest)

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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Wow you're awful

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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spread fire eris is pretty good

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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rain sedge arty I needed support fire

oh smart your strategizing

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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spread fire is a lot of damage

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with the eris buff its kind of a lot

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Gilga was first. RIP Ambrosia, you are being thrown into a black hole

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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"needed support fire" is such a sad phrase

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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?

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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does anyone ever really "need" support fire

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Lucifer rail?

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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support fire is literally a second zeus attack on eris

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Probably not

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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I don’t ever use Lucy rail tho

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:45 PM

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not mentioning the call

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:46 PM

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I have trouble with guan yu at no heat (only 2 clears) how do people not straight up die at 32

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The spin attack tends to hurt me by me standing still for more it heals

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The special is powerful though

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Especially with Artemis on it

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:46 PM

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GY mains are something else

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:47 PM

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died to lernie, F this build i came up with

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cursed AF

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1 dash hurts eris sooo much

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Should I attempt to use Gilgamesh's abilities or just dash or ME?

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:47 PM

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Tailesque has done GY 50 and astoas is working on it

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Almost there

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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tbf every aspect has been done on 50, right?

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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yeah

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Tailesque probably did all of them

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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hadesprofessor has done every aspect on 50

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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I think he has a few more

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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No he's missing 3

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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i'm 5 aspects away

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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tailesque and retrash are both close

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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5? Trash

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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I’m curious as to what heat set ups change with different aspects at 50

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Everything becomes hell

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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you still have poseidon and beo?

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:48 PM

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Or even 40

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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40 isn’t as bad

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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what are the other 3?

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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50 is just terrible

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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i don't think they'll be super hard; i got more difficult ones out of the way earlier

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ones left for me are poseidon, all shields except zag, and hestia

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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if you do special build beo you're dead to me

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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unique zephyr I’m curious as to what heat set ups change with different aspects at 50

50 is actually pretty straightforward. Most aspects have a pact they absolutely can't do, like DC on Hestia. Then you pick your poison between TD3, EM4, RI2 or AP2

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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just fyi

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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LOL

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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same pseudo

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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i won't

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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if he does this were running only raME for a week

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/V6kRlzE @solemn pulsar

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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This is like doing a special build on rama for tailesque

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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special beo only worked pre-charged flight nerf i thought

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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u good?

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xD

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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one beowulf special build = 100 rama special builds

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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solemn pulsar special beo only worked pre-charged flight nerf i thought

have you seen retrash's 51

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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There will be some minor optimizations like points +/- from CP or JS or whatever

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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rain sedge u good?

i had that too, still died to lernie RIP

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spread fire is actually good here IMO

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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the fact that wr was with special build is what pushed me to take it most tbh

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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Gonna take a nap and return to this convo and or try 32 again with TD3 instead of HS and JS

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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that could not stand

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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but it's "bad" on eris so that's what we got

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:50 PM

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good for you pseudo

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i didnt have the willpower after 50

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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sPrEaD fIrE iS gOoD

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it's the worst

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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you are stronger than i

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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for % attack yeah

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idk

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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it is good

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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without it I think I'll clear it

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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try and get breaking wave

true fable Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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for % attack yeah

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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im aiming for rupture

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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i'll say this

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anvil is allowed

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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you strapped me up with PS

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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hehehe

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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if I see more poseidon this run would be easy

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I might have to force him on elysium

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I've been using skull earring

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:52 PM

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@rain sedge are you doing seastorm rama?

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:52 PM

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also schad when i saw you post an image i thought it was a victory screen before it loaded

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i was about to flip

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:53 PM

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bright mango <@!203931754501767168> are you doing seastorm rama?

nah my proposal for worst possible eris build

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Oh ok

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I was scared my record was going to be broken dusa

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 10:53 PM

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Yeah I'm not spending blood on Gilgamesh lmao. I'm just doing level 1 what's the difference anyway

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:53 PM

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btw @rain sedge i think the artemis thing happened because arty has so few non core boons available without one of her cores. i think it's just support fire, PP, and exit wounds, so they're outnumbered by the cores

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:54 PM

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dead

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this was my bad

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the spread fire ruined it so much

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ok next run, no spread fire, no hazard bomb

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we gucci

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:55 PM

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the single dash also hurts so much

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probably more than any other piece of the build

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when i fought lernie i saw "near miss" and i was like "aw yiss bonus damage" and then died like 2 seconds later from slowness

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 10:56 PM

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existing in the lernie fight is a near miss I've noticed

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:56 PM

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you also locked extra DD out

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hmm

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:57 PM

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oh yeah no athena core

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if you really want the DD you can take athena call and then just not use it

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i'll rule taking + not using as valid

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:58 PM

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ok

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the tempest strike pushes miniboss outside of meg

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great

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 10:58 PM

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never attack before meg

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 10:58 PM

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ohohoho epic meme beam

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I'm ready

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....

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if hazard bomb appears

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do I actually have to take it

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:00 PM

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maybe I should do a "high" heat call%

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Oh one more question for TD3 can I die to sack rng

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Yes

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I have

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:00 PM

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Like if I get 4 or 5 sack

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That’s one reason I haven’t done TD3

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And that it scares me for 32

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:01 PM

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My Lucifer 32 run got screwed bcs of 3 sack

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:01 PM

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With TD2 I can clear 5 sack easy

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:01 PM

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if you are quite fast you can win with bad sack

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but usually you just die

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with 4+

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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So with the TD3 set up I should accept that 4 or 5 sack will likely be a run end?

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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yeah probably

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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https://imgur.com/a/tTiMglj

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I was given this one as an adjustment of my current one

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I’m only scared of the TD3

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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if you can't beat TD3 you don't have to take it

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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okay the hazard bomb bit is unplayable

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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but it would 10000% be in my pact

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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If I had TD2 what could be alternatives

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Solur pact

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I don’t want heightened security approval process or routine inspection ideally

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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sigh

shy plinth Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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No you do not

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I mean

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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FO

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the alternative

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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pls do not take RI

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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getting a 3 sac is what, 1 min faster? at most?

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:03 PM

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FO1 probably

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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getting a 3 sac is 50% chance

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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3 sack you should have enough time

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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4 sac is 25%, 5 sac is 12.5%

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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4+ can bone you

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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is it worth risking your run for a low chance run

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also

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it's TD3 32 hestia

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JS0 CP0

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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no higher sacks are even lower than that

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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you can clear it in 15 mins

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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I did 32 with AP and TD2

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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no I know it's not exactly 50%, I'm simplifying

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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How bad did AP bone you

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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your chance of finding the sack in 3rd tunnel after missing 2nd is higher than chance for 2 sack iirc

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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Either way your fate lies in the RNG

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Not bad obviously since i was successful 😉

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Some times it got me = failed runs

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:05 PM

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a good majority will be 2-3 sacks which is not a big deal

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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AP at 32?

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Wow

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Approval process is more likely to screw you than sack is what you’re saying?

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Yes

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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hazard silly damage

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Very much so

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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v good hammer

solar maple Feb 20, 2021, 11:06 PM

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AP is very bad

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AP1 is only awful, AP2 is pure dread

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I tried just AP2 and RI1 for a “rougelite” experience, that did not go well

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As in I lost way before my 32 heat runs died

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:07 PM

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so cgull

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question

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I'm offered only core boons by zeus, my second god in the pool

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:07 PM

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RI1 was to cancel rerolls and dark foresight

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:07 PM

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I take it, I don't use it

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if I get offered sea storm next

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can I take it

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or nah

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:08 PM

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The only time i had AP on before my 40 was the pact prophecy

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 11:08 PM

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no sea storm for sure

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then you're just erising

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:08 PM

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I did just AP for pact prophecy I cleared it but did not like it

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At all

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:08 PM

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understood

solemn pulsar Feb 20, 2021, 11:08 PM

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with like 2 less bolts per clip

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:09 PM

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How long did it take you all to learn forced overtime

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And did you all learn it at lower heats or only try at 32

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:09 PM

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hard to say; i've been using it for a long time

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:09 PM

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5 runs or so i think. Only at 32 for me

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:09 PM

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I’m adjusting to max LC stubborn well just jumping in

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:09 PM

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even early on into bounties

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Ah ok I still have many bounties to collect

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I’ll start using FO1 to collect bounties

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:10 PM

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unique zephyr How long did it take you all to learn forced overtime

I learned it from speedrunning

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:10 PM

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I did 16 heat before most bounties and I still have all bounties under 16

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Shield dudes were hardest for me to learn, or maybe red skeletons

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:10 PM

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I had fo2 on for every run

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When speedrunning

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:10 PM

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What about EM3 asterius

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And regular Hades

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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EM3, never EM4

unique zephyr Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Yeah I do EM3 I only do EM4 as its own thing

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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EM3 Asterius can be annoying, his rushes only though

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With FO2

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Em3 fo asterius is scary

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Very scary

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Hades FO2 i didn't notice any difference

pseudo girder Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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very fast beyblade spinning at incredible hihg speed

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:12 PM

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The thing is when you first put on FO1 every timing for every enemy is off

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Hades fo2 is a big difference

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That’s where i almost died at my 40

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Louts and Skulls and skulls hit you Wringers grab you

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Because of how fast he was + HL

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:12 PM

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Hades FO2 = Hades EM4 - last stage i thought

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He's a bit faster but having done EM4 before it was similar

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Umm no

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:13 PM

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EM4 already makes Hades faster

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:13 PM

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I feel em4 hades is easier than fo2 hades at high heat

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:14 PM

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That's possible? Idk at this point I've done FO2 dad so many times it feels like freebie

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:14 PM

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faster bosses means you have smaller window to damage them safely

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:14 PM

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I also just get hit by more spins without FO2 up lol, I don't have the msucle memory for it

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:15 PM

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bronze viper That's possible? Idk at this point I've done FO2 dad so many times it feels lik...

Normally fo2 hades is easy but when i did it at 40 it was hell

wintry berry Feb 20, 2021, 11:15 PM

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My 40 heat setup still have FO1 but that's for sword and fist aspects

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:15 PM

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What finally helped me beat 32 was using the Acorn in elysium + styx, for free dodges

wintry berry Feb 20, 2021, 11:15 PM

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but for other weapons, I have FO2

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:15 PM

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Gilgamesh is kind of cathartic. Killing people with anemic furry slaps

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:16 PM

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I also wasnt thinking straight because i hadn’t expected to make it that far

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So fo hades was scary

idle bronze Feb 20, 2021, 11:18 PM

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Oh also swapping chthonic vitality for dark regeneration, since bosses drop darkness

rain sedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:19 PM

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okay lernie killed me

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this isn't fun

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with poseidon stacking I think I can do 36 but without a decent amount of grind to avoid said hammers it's unfun

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:20 PM

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Lol. Ooookay. I haven't actually done it in hundreds of hours, but I refreshed a SD that wasn't there

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Thanks Gilgamesh

daring hedge Feb 20, 2021, 11:21 PM

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hey don't blame the paws

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:25 PM

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There certainly is getting used to FO

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I can't imagine trying FO2

wanton plover Feb 20, 2021, 11:26 PM

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how exactly do archers in elys behave

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Badly

wanton plover Feb 20, 2021, 11:26 PM

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as in how do i make them shoot me

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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They're naughty

wanton plover Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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i see

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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They don't attempt to fire on you until you're at a range away from them

wintry berry Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Don't move and pray for receiving their arrows

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Otherwise they just run away from you

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I think anyway

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Wait, do they?

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I think they will shoot you if you are close

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Yeah it's possible. For sure they'll continue to shoot you if they've already started their targetting animation

wanton plover Feb 20, 2021, 11:28 PM

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i have wasted so much time begging for those clowns to shoot me

bronze viper Feb 20, 2021, 11:28 PM

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I've wasted so much time begging for those clowns to not shoot me, then going back home

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:28 PM

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Same

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I lost like 20 seconds in the butterfly chamber trying to get it to shoot me

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To lose an sd

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:38 PM

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I literally still don't know how to deal with them. How can you reliably avoid their attacks

bright mango Feb 20, 2021, 11:39 PM

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Terrain

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Or Athena dash

light stag Feb 20, 2021, 11:49 PM

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You'll need to peek out to hit them sometime

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 12:05 AM

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If I want to learn FO1 would learning it with just MM and EM3 be a good way to learn it, and then add benefits package stacks?

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 12:06 AM

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#h1-high-heat-strategies message

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 12:06 AM

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FO1 seems like the least bad option for my 32 heat set up

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Oh I didn’t see that I’ll copy that thank you 🙂

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 12:06 AM

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This is a low-punishment pact that lets you build fun goofy builds but also teaches you the mechanics that you'll need to be successful at 32

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You can use DDs and it's comfortable and familiar but easily scales to 32

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+2 CF +4 LC +2 HL and boom you're there

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 12:07 AM

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That’ll be a good base for high heat, thanks a lot!

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I hope I can become fast enough for TD3

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I’m almost more scared of that than FO1

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Since sub 20s are rare for me right now

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Only 2 hard labor is way less punishing though

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Besides prioritizing free rooms, shops, and chaos, any other tips for consistent sub 20?

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Yeah I've tried HL5 and I just am not good enough to dodge

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Play a lot and watch fast people play

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See what they do that you don't

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 12:14 AM

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I assume in game time speed runs would be better to look at than real time if I look at speed runs?

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Or are both good

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 12:15 AM

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I would look at heat runs

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You don't need to look at speed runs

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Look at heat runners pushing heat and how they move, you're not prioritizing speed as #1

wanton plover Feb 21, 2021, 12:16 AM

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you can pause to think so timer wont run while you pick the next room

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 12:17 AM

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^^^

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Honestly just play

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You’ll get better with the timer and 32 heat

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It took me like 8 full attempts for my first 32 so ur doing fine

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Ah ok. I sometimes take erebus gates if I can get +50 HP in tartarus is that not viable in TD3? And yeah I’ll just play then, I’m not feeling well physically atm but I’ll play when i feel better

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I would be playing now if I didn’t have to rest sorry if tmi

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Good to know this stuff is improved by just practicing I only tried 32 heat 3 times so far so I have plenty to learn (and always will though which is fine and good)

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 12:33 AM

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I normally take 50 health Erebus with td3

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It’s worth it

honest kernel Feb 21, 2021, 12:43 AM

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HELLO

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 12:51 AM

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erebus gates are very rng in how long they take

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I've had a 2 enemy erebus gate on JS3 before

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but then sometimes they take years

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how much time you can afford to lose is a judgement call

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it varies with pact, weapon, and skill

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On beo I would frequently skip midshops on TD3 JS3 CP2 if I had decent pace

true fable Feb 21, 2021, 12:59 AM

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i just

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threw

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so hard

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to 50 heat dad

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on nem

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im so sad

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😦

honest kernel Feb 21, 2021, 1:00 AM

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F moment

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Sword hard at high heat

true fable Feb 21, 2021, 1:00 AM

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i had 277 HP and the patty buff

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it was literally all voidstones phase 1

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 1:15 AM

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Rip

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Em4?

true fable Feb 21, 2021, 1:28 AM

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nah

rain sedge Feb 21, 2021, 1:48 AM

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50 heat nem 👀

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 1:48 AM

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eM4 wouldn’t have had voidstones just saying

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@rain sedge did you ever complete my evil Eris quest or was it too daunting for high heat

rain sedge Feb 21, 2021, 1:49 AM

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well

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I tried it, it's tiring and unfun at 38 heat with the forced hammer

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but also if we're being real

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I really should stop playing this game

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I've wasted 200+ hours here and quite a lot of my free time, and yeah it's lockdown and whatever, but I should be doing better things with my life

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so I have uninstalled, prob should leave server soon to not get tempted 🤷‍♀️

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do a baj etc

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 1:56 AM

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dang my build was so bad it's making schad quit the game for a while

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good on you for taking care of yourself though

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 2:16 AM

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I thought voidstones were part of the laserbeam mini boss

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Of tartarus

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Idk enemy names that well

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Ok they are the shield ones

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That sucks

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 2:19 AM

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That’s doomstone

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Not to be confused with brimstones

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:22 AM

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or snakestones

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these are all different and i definitely remember which is which i promise

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 2:23 AM

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Snake stone is the easiest

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Doomstone I feel like zag says the name

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Other than that good luck

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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Re Dark Regeneration, it was a lot better when Dark Foresight didn't work, but Darkness Troves should still heal you to full, anyway.

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 2:26 AM

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Was it though? 6 hp per darkness room? You’d have to see darkness every other room

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:27 AM

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isn’t it 3 hp?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 2:27 AM

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solemn pulsar That’s doomstone

Ok

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I get them confused all the time

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:27 AM

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30% of darkness iirc

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nope it’s 30% per rank i just looked it up

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you are correct

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LC4 all the time makes it hard to remember these things lol

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 2:30 AM

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solemn pulsar Was it though? 6 hp per darkness room? You’d have to see darkness every other ro...

But Chthonic Vitality gives you nothing if you're capped. You see plenty of Darkness chambers that would give you both healing and max HP, and any Darkness from shops and wells will heal you.

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It also used to be 80% Healing at max, and Strong Drink wasn't a thing until Blood Price.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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So what companions do people use here other than Meg? I only have maxed Meg

wanton plover Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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i use antis a lot

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:32 AM

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antos

wanton plover Feb 21, 2021, 2:33 AM

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other than those two i use none

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:33 AM

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it’s really just meg and antos, maybe bouldy before LC4

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 2:33 AM

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Meg is very good

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Consistent if you know how to use it

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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pengy

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what is that tag

wanton plover Feb 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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🧐

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:34 AM

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what heat did you do sea storm rama on lmao

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awww it’s not on the sheet

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either way, nice one

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 2:36 AM

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It was a joke

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Brights said i had the highest heat seastorm rama run

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Tail did it at 50 and had everything but seastorm

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So technically i have the record

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Lmao

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It was 32

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 2:41 AM

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haha nice

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still counts

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32 was always the number where bad ideas went from “why” to “that’s kinda impressive”

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although folks around here getting so good at the game lately (myself not included) that number seems to be more like 40 these days

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:05 AM

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Yeah

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32 wasn’t terribly difficult

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Sadly switch cant record so it’s not “official” but I promise it wasnt seeded

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 3:06 AM

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I hope I can make 32 heat my default eventually

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:06 AM

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Yeah

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It’ll be soon

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Don’t worry

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 3:09 AM

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Try Heartbreak Strike instead of Deadly Strike. Weak makes a big difference.

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:11 AM

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^^^

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I’m just begging you @daring hedge, dont do 50 heat seastorm rama. Plz... let me have this

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My one small victory

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shadegrief

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Sea Storm with Tempest Flourish?

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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nope, opposite

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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No

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Tempest Flourish with Sea Storm?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:35 AM

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Attack

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Tempest strike

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/811259823613673472/812458328025464885/image0.png

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 3:36 AM

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hsiroulF tsepmeT htiw mrotS aeS?

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Did you take Attack first or Special?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Poseidon keepsake in tartarus

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I was considering resetting

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Then zeus showed up

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Plz tailesque don’t do this

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 3:41 AM

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dw he's currently trying bootleg eris on level 1 hestia

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it's... not going well

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:41 AM

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He’s streaming?

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 3:41 AM

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yeh

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 3:42 AM

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Rip i don’t have the app on my phone

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I can watch tho

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:14 AM

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Is seastorm rama even a legitimate category?

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 4:19 AM

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@bright mango like this, yeah? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/812901170241601596/Hades_1366.png

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:19 AM

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Why

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Why

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Why

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shadegrief

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The betrayal is real

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-lmao-gif-9271317

Tenor

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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You took.... everything

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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Lmao, the cycle of cruelty continues on

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:21 AM

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34 seastorm time

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bouldy

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 4:22 AM

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Been there, done that.

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:23 AM

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I mean 34

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Oops

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Aw. https://i.imgur.com/hEvHnS3.png

Imgur

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:23 AM

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Stop

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No

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Why

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 4:23 AM

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lmfao

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This is the weirdest barrel roll

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:24 AM

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Oof

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This hurts

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 4:26 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/britney-vma-better-better-than-you-gif-5927359

Tenor

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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shadegrief

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Why

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 4:33 AM

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@bright mango Lady Aphrodite said she loves how sassy that was, and she approves wholeheartedly. dusa

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:34 AM

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Get ready to be barrel rolled tommorow

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I just feel betrayed

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I’m being bullied

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Help

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:45 AM

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what is like the best build for Rama?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Seastorm

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:46 AM

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really?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:46 AM

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Jk probably Artemis on attack and dio/zeus special

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:46 AM

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oh lol

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which hammer should i get for rama?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:47 AM

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Twin shot

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Triple shot

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Power shot

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Point blank shot

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:47 AM

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ah ok

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:47 AM

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All solid hammers

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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it doesn't need any duo boon right?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Not necessary

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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k tks

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:48 AM

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Arty dio duo might be nice

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Seastorm also solid 🙂

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 4:54 AM

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👀

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 4:57 AM

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👍

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:03 AM

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bright mango Twin shot

General order is Twin > Perfect > Point Blank > Triple > Explosive > Repulse > Sniper

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Relentless Volley is there somewhere depending on build. It's better on Dio special, or if you're going special Zeus obv

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:07 AM

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bronze viper General order is Twin > Perfect > Point Blank > Triple > Explosive > Repulse > S...

Yeah i was just listing my best ones

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Not in any order

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:08 AM

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I figured. But Perfect was not on there :3. Hammer is dope

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:08 AM

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By perfect i meant power

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Feelings on Aphro special Arty attack Rama?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:08 AM

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Sry

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I had it on there

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@bronze viper

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 AM

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Oh I see.

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 AM

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I mix those up all the time

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 AM

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quartz mantle Feelings on Aphro special Arty attack Rama?

It's... fine? You don't usually go for anything in particular on the special, you just take the best you can get

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 AM

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^^^

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:09 AM

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It seems like Aphro is like the best support thing to get on special

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opens up heart rend opportunity

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Sweet Surrender

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plus Weak

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:10 AM

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I prefer Dio

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Or Zeus for more damage

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Heart Rend is... not super necessary on Rama lol

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You need more help killing small things

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:10 AM

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@edgy arrow well done~! Hopefully the Seastorm Rama WR doesn't go up too high too fast, that could make it difficult for some people to keep up. squirtnya

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:11 AM

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bronze viper You need more help killing small things

That makes more sense actually

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:11 AM

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lmao

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clearly a highly competitive category

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:11 AM

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Also what are these Rama Sea Storm barrel rolls god damn

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y'all mad competitive

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:11 AM

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❤️

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:12 AM

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How are you 3rd now lol

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:12 AM

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it was my fault

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couldn't resist i'm sorry

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:12 AM

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I did not expect this to happen

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I thought i had an easy wr

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But no

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 AM

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quartz mantle That makes more sense actually

Splitting Headache also helps reduce the variance of Rama's crit damage, which is nice. It's not as good as Heart Rend's dps but Hangover is great for dealing with witches, numbskulls, Savior enemies, flamewheels, etc.

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 AM

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see this is why i never talk about my obscure world records

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if nobody knows about them they can't be taken from me

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:13 AM

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Me when I get a world record in a random category extension of a popular game's speedrun

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:14 AM

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But then what’s the point of having them

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If you can’t tell anybody

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:14 AM

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I flexed mine and then they removed the category

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Which just means no one an beat me

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my record is permanent

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 5:16 AM

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Lowkey Zeus special on Rama is actually good???

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:16 AM

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bright mango But then what’s the point of having them

this might be a flaw in my otherwise perfect strategy

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:16 AM

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If you get exactly Splitting Bolt, you don't need to attack anymore

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If not then Static Discharge makes it an excellent support skill

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 5:16 AM

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It's just good room clear

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:17 AM

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i rerolled out of epic static discharge on that run for more chances at sea storm

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felt like heresy

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:17 AM

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edgy arrow this might be a flaw in my otherwise perfect strategy

dusa

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:17 AM

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Lmao, that's dedication to value

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 5:17 AM

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i dare someone to take my obscure wr

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:17 AM

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bouldy

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:18 AM

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You either have to do 65 Charon or 64 heat Chiron

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:18 AM

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cgull your obscure record is actually really hard tho

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 5:18 AM

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bronze viper You either have to do 65 Charon or 64 heat Chiron

nah just gotta go faster

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Kinda hard ngl

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 5:19 AM

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bright mango I’m just begging you <@164508146746785792>, dont do 50 heat seastorm rama. Plz.....

squirtdevious

solemn pulsar Feb 21, 2021, 5:19 AM

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Just match the charon time and go faster through the rooms

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I had some stinky witch rooms

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:20 AM

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daring hedge <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>

Too late

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:20 AM

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Hestia keeps auto aiming weird

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got to hades second form again

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:21 AM

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daring hedge <:squirtdevious:472124054569222144>

if you beat the record you can only do it by 1 heat

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its tradition

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:21 AM

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I don’t have my switch rn

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I’m gonna have to wait till tomorrow

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:21 AM

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I feel so close to 32 heat

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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Which pact bacchus

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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if i get to hades then it's just a matter of me trying I hope

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well I had just finished the one I posted above, I just got well

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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yeah absolutely

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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it was without FO1

edgy arrow Feb 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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if you can get to hades you can get the clear

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:22 AM

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I had 1 min left with TD2 by the time I got to second form

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it was 4 sac though

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TD3 could be doable?

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if I can do TD3 the pact will be much more bearable

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Did you notice the js difference

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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quartz mantle y'all mad competitive

I just thought it would be funny.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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I didn't try a new one with less JS yet

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I'm about to

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Aha

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Have fun :)

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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yeah this one was +40%

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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Ggs tailesque

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Wow

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:23 AM

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so if I had JS0 and TD3 that should be doable?

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I had 1 min left on 2nd form with a 4 sac

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1 min on TD2

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lemme try with JS0 to see the difference

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because I'm probably underestimating JS

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I do remember a lto of time just waiting for the enemies to spawn in my JS2 attempts

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Lemme post the modification I'll try

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 5:25 AM

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Just try a run

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No matter what nothing will help more than playing more

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:25 AM

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mossy zinc I just thought it would be funny.

It was good job

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:26 AM

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I'll try again, yeah! Hoping I can get used to TD3

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Basically replacing JS2 and HS with TD3

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and no other changes

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i'm scared of TD3 but I'd like to get rid of HS

spring kettle Feb 21, 2021, 5:29 AM

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When you mean sea storm Rama do you really put Poseidon attack Zeus special?

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:29 AM

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Yes

spring kettle Feb 21, 2021, 5:29 AM

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The other way seems even unwieldier to me

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And repulse shot doesn’t activate sea storm last time I checked

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:30 AM

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last time you checked Lol, for all of those Repulse Shot Sea Storm Tempest Strike runs

spring kettle Feb 21, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Someone in test branch discussion said it doesn’t and I trust them enough, plus I’m too lazy to run it myself

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:31 AM

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You have to take Tempest Strike and Thunder Flourish because that's what Pengy787 did.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Going to continue my new run tomorrow bc recovering from pain, I’ll see the time difference between JS2 and JS0

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To see if TD3 is viable for me

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I’m probably too scared of TD3 lol

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Does JS2 add like 2 minutes to the run or more than that

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I have no idea just how much jury summons affects run speed

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But yeah thanks everyone I like the high heat community a lot, I feel I can get this with just a few more tries 🙂

bright mango Feb 21, 2021, 5:41 AM

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Yeah everyone here is epic

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:41 AM

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unique zephyr I’m probably too scared of TD3 lol

You can do TD3. squirtnya

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 5:42 AM

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I was scared of TD3 and then one time I said screw it, played fast, and I haven't turned it off since

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:47 AM

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Hmm, I didn't expect to win this Zeus aspect run lol. I didn't bother recording

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:49 AM

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What Heat?

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:49 AM

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Just 40, going through the aspects, Titan Blood allowing

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Only have 4ish more aspects left of blood

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Using the heat spreadsheet to track my progress though

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:52 AM

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Oh yeah, I've done so many runs at 40~46 in 1.0 that I forgot to record.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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mossy zinc You can do TD3. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>

I’m glad you have faith in me! It’ll be hard balancing being careful in the Hades fight while not dying to timer

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Since dodging away takes time

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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How do you like our automatic leaderboard updates? RidiculousHat made it all possible. squirtnya

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:53 AM

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I only bother to record aspect PBs, and I haven't played Zeus before today.

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It's so sick 😄

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:54 AM

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@unique zephyr TD3 let's you avoid some other pacts, so it makes things easier.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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@mossy zinc good point! This seems like a lofty goal but I want to go on the heat leader board someday lol

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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@bronze viper congratulations on 40 Zeus, anyway. dusa

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:55 AM

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Like have a 40 heat run recorded or something for a weapon

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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You can definitely do that.

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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It's a very fun aspect, it's definitely on my list to iterate after I'm done with 24x40

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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The most important skill for high heat is perseverance.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:56 AM

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Yeah I won’t stop trying, my only limit is my body

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I have some chronic pain so I work around that

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:57 AM

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If you keep at it, you will improve, and eventually you'll make it.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:57 AM

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A lot of high heat players said they were where I was

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Where high heat seemed nice but out of reach

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:57 AM

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It's good to take breaks anyway. You can study your own replays or watch high heat runs of your aspect while you do that.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Does this game save replays or do I have to record them myself?

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:58 AM

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Or study boon trees to make better decisions.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:58 AM

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I’m going to watch the Hestia high heat run on the spreadsheet here

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:58 AM

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You'll need to use something like OBS Studio to record your runs.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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Ah ok I have OBS

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I use it to make replays for learning fighting games

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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That's a good idea. There are quite a few Hestia runs on the board.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 5:59 AM

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I need to make the file smaller to upload it probably tho lol

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But for now I can look at my own attempts 🙂

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And maybe people can comment on stuff I’m unsure of?

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Or is posting videos here of unsure attempts not okay

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Mostly the mods prefer if we post things like that in #self-promotion.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 6:00 AM

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Ah ok good to know!

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One thing is I don’t have a hell mode file

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Which I may need if I ever go to 50+

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 6:01 AM

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It's probably harder to find somebody to look at your replays than it would be in fighting games because runs just take a lot longer.

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You don't need Hell mode for 50+.

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 6:02 AM

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Though the earlier you start hell mode if you intend to, the easier it is to max lol

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As you get to the know the community and see what aspects people love to talk about it shouldn't be too hard to get a specific person's opinion on a run if you want a play by play

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 6:03 AM

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You can download a max Hell mode save from speedrun.com, too.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 6:06 AM

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Oh ok good to know! I love getting to know the community everyone is cool here 🙂

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@bronze viper I’m watching your 40 heat Hestia run now

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On the spreadsheet the one on the top most

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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I assume if I want to upload something to the high heat spreadsheet I need some sort of video proof right?

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Those are recent runs vs. heat record runs btw. I did play that one pretty well but I am far from a Hestia expert

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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For Unseeded (which is effectively the main category), you need a video of the whole run, and the video needs to show your previous to prove it's not seeded.

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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Yea makes sense

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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Ah ok. Btw when you said they could give a play by play do you mean of their or my plays

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I should start recording heat pbs in that case

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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I am confused

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 6:09 AM

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There is a victory screen only category

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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Photoshop moment

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Guys check me out I did 63 heat

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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You would not be the first person to claim such things 😉

quartz mantle Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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New to the game but not the genre

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I'm just nuts on the sticks trust me

shy plinth Feb 21, 2021, 6:10 AM

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This is surprisingly close to a recently made claim

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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unique zephyr Ah ok. Btw when you said they could give a play by play do you mean of their or ...

Either, just ask lol. Obviously play by play of yours is a bigger ask, so just ask more nicely :3

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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bronze viper Either, just ask lol. Obviously play by play of yours is a bigger ask, so just ...

OK, I’m good at asking nicely and being patient

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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For Seeded, you don't need a video proof of your previous death, but you do need a video of your whole run.

unique zephyr Feb 21, 2021, 6:11 AM

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I mean patience is a part of high heat play I assume

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Can I ask about specific decisions in someone else’s video if I give a time stamp

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Hope I’m not asking too many questions

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 6:12 AM

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Sure you can.

bronze viper Feb 21, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Okay, cool, now I have a Zeus run for the board lol. I have a feeling these runs were more RNG than player skill but yeah.

vital grove Feb 21, 2021, 9:14 AM

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Eh, 40 is where sufficient hades skill and knowhow can still carry you regardless of rng

wanton plover Feb 21, 2021, 9:14 AM

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sometimes i see people tooth or acorn in elys. why take one over the other? is it just preference ?

waxen relic Feb 21, 2021, 9:26 AM

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if you're confident in being able to take on the Heroes without Acorn, Lucky tooth is a safety measure against nasty BP2 Greatshields or Chariots. Potentially more overtime as well.

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 9:27 AM

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to add, if you already have a DD tooth is terrible

shy gulch Feb 21, 2021, 9:29 AM

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tooth also helps vs asterius miniboss

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 9:30 AM

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yeah for sure

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I've lost tooth in miniboss then won the run a good amount

waxen relic Feb 21, 2021, 9:31 AM

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well if you need the tooth against solo Asterius but not against Asterius and Theseus?

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 9:44 AM

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yeah sometimes you just get spun on

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on em3 killing asterius is like 80% of the danger of the heroes fight tbh

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also miniboss -> patty -> boss happens a decent amount so you can get a huge hp buff for the boss

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:01 AM

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@solar maple 50 beo was not special-based

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real beo

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:02 AM

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nice

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:03 AM

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because i know another charged flight beo 50+ would not have been well received

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:03 AM

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it's also just worse tbh

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as much as I meme about hating it I've tried it when forced into charged flight

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it's ok

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

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it's kinda boring, really

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

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that too

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:04 AM

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i did have fun with charged shot flood flare

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:05 AM

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yeah that's fun

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charged shot is so much damage

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:05 AM

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for sure

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:05 AM

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+100% from beo on 80 base damage

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charge shot I think is what you really need for extremely high heat beo

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like 58+

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:06 AM

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yeah i'd def agree after trying it out for a bit at 50

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the immediacy and damage would be kinda needed to overcome all the works at 58

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:07 AM

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shackle charge shot can clear 58 heat tart pretty consistently

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and it's the one attack in the game good against shield bros in elysium

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em4 is harder with charge shot though in my experience

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:08 AM

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i almost forgot it had piercing too yeah. it really does slap all around

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i actually really liked EM4 with charged shot

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getting the bursts in felt pretty safe and fast

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:09 AM

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I mean it's still definitely doable

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beo is insane at fighting em4

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I just like having the I frames on the bull rush

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:09 AM

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i hadn't practiced EM4 in ages and i only lost one SD, without patty or acorn

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yeah that's fair

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:09 AM

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makes it much easier to pick up casts

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where you can get into trouble doing that with charge shot

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yeah my best is no acorn, no sd with patty

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and I'm bad at the fight in general

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never won it on high heat with any other weapon

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I still think beo is actually a really good high heat weapon until you have to take RI

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:11 AM

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i'm admittedly pretty bad at using bull rush for the iframe advantage lol

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i'm too wired to move around and dash iframe even when i use shield

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:12 AM

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you have to do a bit of both

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I framing with bull rush is much more dps efficient though

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:12 AM

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also yeah, RI3 pretty much kills beo

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:12 AM

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even RI1 is pretty rough

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RI3 completely kills it

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the highest I would ever try is 60 heat with RI2

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if I could seed snow burst start I might give that more honest attempts, but that's impossible sadly

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:14 AM

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yeah, for me to move forward with rama i need to do RI3 and pray hermes gives extra dashes, because EM4 with one dash, and not a shield is unreasonable

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and beo just dies at RI3 anyways

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:14 AM

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yeah I'm definitely not taking your heat wr with beo haha

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only a few aspects can even try 61+

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:15 AM

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for sure yeah

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:16 AM

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I gave 58 some attempts and I think it's possible, but very hard

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maybe I'll just go down to 55/56

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it bugs me that dem fists have a higher heat clear than beo

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:19 AM

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i absolutely think you could push beo higher, but yeah def dependent on tolerance for the grind ofc

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:20 AM

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55 wouldn't take that long I think

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56 needs pretty good rng because DC2 is super slow

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57 I have to take AP2

honest kernel Feb 21, 2021, 10:21 AM

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how does SD with athena extra lives work again bc I remember being able to get that

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:21 AM

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if you lose SD in a room you can get a DD from athena

honest kernel Feb 21, 2021, 10:21 AM

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thanks 👍

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:21 AM

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so in aspho just die in lava before picking up the boon

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in other floors you have to die to the enemies (unless there are eggs)

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 10:22 AM

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Just keep in mind that her DD boons are tier 2.

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:22 AM

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it can make athena in shops outside of aspho kind of a weird decision

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all athena cores except call unlock the DD boons

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:23 AM

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wait no I'm off by 1 heat. 56 is DC1

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I might just do that

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oh call doesn't unlock DD? I feel very dumb

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lmao

daring hedge Feb 21, 2021, 10:24 AM

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it's honestly weird that it doesn't but yeah unfortunately lol

solar maple Feb 21, 2021, 10:55 AM

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tail I looked at the first pact you tried for 50 in the vod. That thing looked rough haha

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pacts like those are why people thought beo was bad

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honestly if there was an em5 where you just have to fight em4 dad again right after the first time I would still take it over RI2 haha

river glacier Feb 21, 2021, 11:15 AM

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seed?

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there's a seed system in hades?

hardy linden Feb 21, 2021, 11:17 AM

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I think you can seed the first few rooms at most right

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especially the first boon/hammer

honest kernel Feb 21, 2021, 11:18 AM

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yeah if you give up you retain ur seed

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but the rng in this game keeps rolling over various factors so its hard to seed further than first room and maybe a few

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 12:10 PM

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Is Zeus special or Dio special better for Rama?

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like Dio special also let me get Duo dio arty duo but it's hard keeping those stacks up consistently?

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 12:11 PM

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dio special if you're mainly building around attack anyway

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zeus only works if you build around using it exclusively

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 12:12 PM

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ah

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Twin shot and power shot are 2 best for rama right?

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Hmm? They both work very well.

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 12:13 PM

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is the exclusive hammer worth?

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 12:13 PM

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Twin Shot and Triple Shot are best. Power Shot is very good.

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 12:13 PM

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ah

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 12:14 PM

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triple shot is amazing but very risky

mossy zinc Feb 21, 2021, 12:15 PM

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It's not very risky. You can still power-shoot from a distance.

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 12:16 PM

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if you try to shotgun it, that is

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it still works very well while keeping a distance and actually synergizes really well with shared suffering

next wyvern Feb 21, 2021, 12:20 PM

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i suck at powershot with Rama do i kinda need Power shot hammer more tbh

hardy sonnet Feb 21, 2021, 1:09 PM

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hey y’all, cleared 16 heat w chaos shield no problem, like finishing the final fight w 3 death defies and a lot of health, but having a hell of a lot of trouble w 32

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i’m going for skelly’s incredible prizes ofc

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any advice?

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 1:10 PM

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first of all you should definitely use stubborn defiance instead of death defiance

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there's a guide for high heat in the pins

hardy sonnet Feb 21, 2021, 1:10 PM

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oh sweet

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thanks :)

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 1:11 PM

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if you're good at clearing in less than 20 mins td3 is a good choice

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generally with tight deadline on you don't want jury summons or calisthenics program

hardy sonnet Feb 21, 2021, 1:12 PM

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i’m pretty slow generally, my best clear is 21 min lol

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 1:12 PM

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also very important to have an understanding of how to plan an make up an adequate build

hardy sonnet Feb 21, 2021, 1:13 PM

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might try for td2 tho bc the first rank was no issue

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 1:13 PM

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you almost always want athena in high heat because she can give you dds even though you're using sd

hardy sonnet Feb 21, 2021, 1:13 PM

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oh sweet

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if you die in a chamber will the dd be used before the sd?

halcyon flame Feb 21, 2021, 1:13 PM

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make sure to check the codex if you're not sure about your choices

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the sd is always used first

hardy sonnet Feb 21, 2021, 1:14 PM

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nice