doing a beo run and what the hell i have black out and 3 casts in asphodel right now
#h1-high-heat-strategies
rain sedge
Why cast atticor?
waxen relic
Good base damage / not these weird attack/special animations
halcyon flame
if i don't get bad news i'm not even gonna be mad
gaunt fiber
Yeah that should not be too bad Atticor
But a dash build with ruthless should be nice too, prolly tidal/blade
Although losing a dash is a bit annoying
wanton plover
in your opinion what is the easiest spear to play
i have really come around to hades spear
rain sedge
like, "easiest"?
must be zag spear with flurry jab
just hold down a button and pretend it's a rail
halcyon flame
achilles is great but difficult to get a proper handle on 
mossy zinc
Guan Yu.
violet thistle
I really like Hades spear and Flurry Jab, but I wish I could have both.
Can’t they let me replace the Special with the sweep, just once?
violet thistle
Guan Yu.
First time I used Guan Yu was the first time I fought Charon. It was tough.
halcyon flame
yikes
edgy arrow
last time i fought charon it was with GY and it was also HL5
i had 25 hp
i did not last long
someday i gotta learn that fight
edgy arrow
didn’t someone do that
halcyon flame
yeah
solemn pulsar
Sup
mossy zinc
25 HP or 50 HP makes no difference in that fight.
solemn pulsar
At max you’re almost certainly getting one shot
solemn pulsar
Zeus
halcyon flame
charon at his absolute strongest
solemn pulsar
Yeah
edgy arrow
that is the correct number of question marks
solemn pulsar
Also I practiced the fight a lot
halcyon flame
speaking of heat what was with those heat skull room rewards in early access
i noticed in one of tail's 120 heat videos that there were literally "heat" room rewards and he had 190 of those
solemn pulsar
Sorry for skipping video this was a stream before I fixed my internet
bright mango
Charon THICCC
edgy arrow
what’s the chances charon can even be fought in tartarus
rain sedge
ok I tried blade dash gilga at 40 a couple tries
and got too tired
died at lernie even with vicious cycle
edgy arrow
oof
rain sedge
the aspect's as unplayable as I remembered
edgy arrow
hearing about other people having a hard time does not make me feel confident of doing it myself
solemn pulsar
I modded the game to have the sack always show up
halcyon flame
did you do it in tart or elysium
solemn pulsar
It was unseeded tho
edgy arrow
i was gonna say, that would just be masochism otherwise
solemn pulsar
Tartarus Jesus
halcyon flame
pain
solemn pulsar
Getting to elysium at 64 heat? Kill me
Not like the build would be much better anyway
halcyon flame
ap2 😔
edgy arrow
i think the build would be worse on account of the fact that you would be dead
64 is too many skulls
bright mango
Baj shield lmao
bright mango
I agree
solemn pulsar
Yeah I practiced the fight a lot. Only no hit successfully once but chill turning fo2 into fo0 made it a lot easier
rain sedge
does it actually work that way?
I swear people were giving some technical explanation about how it's not like that
solemn pulsar
Chill is -40% at 10 stack
edgy arrow
even more impressive given that i think most folks basically never do that fight and have no idea how to play it (myself included)
solemn pulsar
I’m assuming it’s additive
Otherwise it would be 80% speed and I don’t think it was that slow
Could be though
So either fo0 or fo-1
rain sedge
as in
edgy arrow
i don’t really know but as a counterpoint: Sure Footing is multiplicative with HS
rain sedge
I think someone was mentioning how chill doesn't affect attack speed or something weird
bright mango
Yeah after i started doing a bit higher heat i completely left charon alone
rain sedge
like it was only affecting movement speed
edgy arrow
which is a similar scenario
edgy arrow
i thought chill did effect attack speed
rain sedge
I guess I misremembered
edgy arrow
Xate’s doing 32 rn i think
halcyon flame
imo seeking is better
solemn pulsar
I think someone was mentioning how chill doesn't affect attack speed or somethin...
Oh definitely affects attack speed. His oar swings, much slower in that fight than normal fo2. Only reason I survived
halcyon flame
ricochet is good for crowds though
halcyon flame
how often do fo2 speedrunners use chill?
edgy arrow
i’ve never seen a speedrunner use chill, outside of Snow Burst
halcyon flame
it doesn't affect how fast an enemy spawns so it must be pretty helpful adding onto that demeter's boons also add % to damage
edgy arrow
it’s less damage than aphro or arty tho
solemn pulsar
No good synergy with duos, Aphro has better %, Artemis is more damage, and most importantly it slows down boss phasing
So they’ll sit in their bubbles for longer, which is bad
And slow enemies can get stuck halfway across the room, also not great
halcyon flame
acorn definitely
edgy arrow
but mostly god keepsakes and acorn
halcyon flame
skull earring is actually good since you're constantly at 30% or below anyway
edgy arrow
the others are mostly for specific scenarios
halcyon flame
do high heat speedrunners use earring?
edgy arrow
i haven’t watched as many high heat speedruns as i should have, but i believe so
it’s good damage, especially on non% based builds
halcyon flame
unless you have last stand or tosd it's basically a permanent damage boost
edgy arrow
kinda
you lose it whenever you pick up a centaur heart
but that’s easily rectified lol
edgy arrow
it doesn’t
edgy arrow
it’s only the barrels in tartarus, the eggs in elysium and lava than can hurt you after the enemies are dead
river glacier
When do I know when it will be the last wave of enemies
edgy arrow
you kinda get a feel for it?
neat sonnet
Voice line sometimes
solemn pulsar
That voice line totally lies sometimes
edgy arrow
unless Zag says something yeah
neat sonnet
Yeah I have noticed
neat sonnet
Like once I’m styx it showed up on wave 2/5
edgy arrow
okay even then it isn’t exact
solemn pulsar
I think it probably triggers on the final “wave”
neat sonnet
Get it
solemn pulsar
But waves are limited by how many can show up at once
edgy arrow
it probably gets confused by JS or something
solemn pulsar
So one “wave” gets turned into many even though it’s one
edgy arrow
waves can get blurry for sure
like, we’ve all been in that situation where 1 enemy just spawns 600 times in a row
neat sonnet
I guess if you get the line be aware if you need to SD, y’know? And for sure
unique zephyr
How do people get used to FO and how long does that take? I don’t think I need it for 32 but I may want to try 40+ one day once I am somewhat comfortable with 32
stiff aurora
just play with FO without other stuff
edgy arrow
you don’t need it for 32 that’s true
stiff aurora
then add things like bp2 if you are going to use that
neat sonnet
Congrats!
edgy arrow
How do people get used to FO and how long does that take? I don’t think I need i...
it honestly does just come down to playing with it a lot
unique zephyr
Ah ok that’s a good way to train
edgy arrow
practicing just FO2 is also of somewhat limited help, as you wanna practice with EM, MM, BP etc.
neat sonnet
Yeah
unique zephyr
Will forced overtime mess up on timings if I go back to normal ever for fun or no
edgy arrow
as to how long it takes to get used to? well, “getting used to it” is a bit of a myth imo
neat sonnet
If you practiced like.. almost sets of FO with other stuff, then it would be more realistic to a run
edgy arrow
it will always make the game much harder
solar maple
it's always harder but you still get used to it
solar maple
fresh file dad really messed me up because I wasn't used to dodging FO0 dad spins haha
edgy arrow
“getting used to it” is really just getting better at the game
solar maple
still haven't won 😦
stiff aurora
Will forced overtime mess up on timings if I go back to normal ever for fun or n...
nah you'll be fine
solemn pulsar
Fresh file? You mean 0 heat? Lame
solemn pulsar
Pseudo were you grinding for 1st run
solar maple
yeah first run
solemn pulsar
You want 1 cast 1 dash beo?gross
edgy arrow
did that at 32
solar maple
1 cast stinky. 1 dash is fine
edgy arrow
0 heat would be easy
solemn pulsar
First run would be ares Athena Artemis and dio only
stiff aurora
can you get chaos in your first run?
edgy arrow
yeah that’s fine
solemn pulsar
No than
stiff aurora
you could go dio cast artemis legendary with beo
solemn pulsar
No story rooms
edgy arrow
you could go dio cast artemis legendary with beo
no this is not the strat
solemn pulsar
No fountains
edgy arrow
dio cast is pure pain without stygian
solemn pulsar
No keepsakes
edgy arrow
okay fine lol
solar maple
arti cast is the way to go imo
edgy arrow
“easy” might be pushing it
solar maple
that or athena
edgy arrow
but i think i could do it
solar maple
yeah I think I could do it as well
edgy arrow
i wouldn’t go for a cast honestly
solemn pulsar
No companion
solar maple
but not normal first run 😦
edgy arrow
on mirrorless beo the most important thing to do is get a good attack imo
cast comes second
solar maple
still haven't even beaten dad on the savestate even
yeah you would start athena attack I think
then pick up arti cast and go for DR
edgy arrow
yeah that’s prolly the best way
river glacier
Hooray, full statue set
solar maple
nice!
edgy arrow
lol it’s funny how angry some people get when they unlock the third statue
“it’s just a statue? again? wym i don’t get an op weapon!”
solar maple
lol
solemn pulsar
Yeah like “oh man you mean they didn’t put dozens of hours of work into the reward for something <5% of players will ever see????
edgy arrow
yeah pretty much
solemn pulsar
Like I was sort of disappointed the epilogue wasn’t a party where you could walk around the house and talk to all the olympians
But then they’d have to make the 3D models and render the 2D images from them for all the olympians
For something a minority of players get to
On top of more voice lines and other stuff
So I get it
edgy arrow
same
could’ve been cool, but it’s not like they didn’t give us plenty of post credits content already
neat sonnet
Why have you made me want to try fresh file first run now
neat sonnet
Sounds like hell, but yes, that’s the game
mossy zinc
Do people actually get angry? I've never seen that.
solar maple
I've made it to dad a bunch of times but I'm so bad at the fight with 1 dash
neat sonnet
I can’t possibly imagine being disappointed with the statues after getting the first one because of how funny it is to think about
solar maple
yeah I mean what would you expect lmao
neat sonnet
The pride of beating 32 will be way more than any reward would give me
solar maple
the game even jokes about how zag know it will just be another statue
neat sonnet
And it’s a pretty good bit to be honest
solar maple
yeah I found it pretty funny
gaunt fiber
Do people actually get angry? I've never seen that.
solar maple
people still haven't gotten the 4th statue for 64 heat smh
bronze viper
The pride of beating 32 and 40 for the first time were robbed from me by doing it on EA Chaos. There was no pride. Only Chaos
gaunt fiber
I heard someone got it and the 4th statue is human Skelly
neat sonnet
Beautiful
gaunt fiber
not 100% sure though
mossy zinc
I've found a new high heat strat.
neat sonnet
Oh?
mossy zinc
Don't pour hot soup over your hand.
I'll try that next time. But in theory it should be better than this. 
bronze viper
The soup was too high heat.
mossy zinc
In better news, the soup is good.
gaunt fiber
Nice to hear
mossy zinc
It hurts, but m cooling it. We should try using one of these cooling pads at 50+ sometime. Might help a lot.
gaunt fiber
Maybe it will make the soup fountains heal again?
mossy zinc
Magma heals you.
gaunt fiber
well
mossy zinc
Oh wait, it already does.
gaunt fiber
I'm affiliate
edgy arrow
that raises an interesting question
edgy arrow
if i do a 40 heat run, is that celsius or fahrenheit?
bright mango
40 degrees C is pretty hot
edgy arrow
indeed
solemn pulsar
40F is quite cold
edgy arrow
you see the problem
bright mango
I live in the us but my grandparents in India have to deal with all kinds of heat.
gaunt fiber
you see the problem
yeah, Farhrenheit
edgy arrow
if it’s fahrenheit, we’ve all been low heat runners the whole time
bright mango
So they always complain about 35 degrees outside and I was like huh
somber lodge
It might be Kelvin ;)
edgy arrow
rip us if it’s kelvin
bright mango
US has to be kinda stupid and use the imperial system
edgy arrow
oh yeah i’m australian
bright mango
Why murrica why
edgy arrow
40 degrees C is a thing and it isn’t fun
solemn pulsar
UK is worse with units tbh
miles for distance soemtimes
stone for weight, which is based in pounds
pounds are also their money
bright mango
Lmao
mossy zinc
Greece uses Celsius.
solemn pulsar
everywhere uses celsius
edgy arrow
*most places
edgy arrow
some use Rankine!
edgy arrow
it would actually be hilarious if there was a country that used rankine
bright mango
Jesus im shaming my own country
edgy arrow
nobody uses rankine
correct thank god
mossy zinc
I use Fahrenheit.
solemn pulsar
Fahrenheit is still commonly used in the United Kingdom in common conversation, but less so with young people and many people use both depending on the context. Within unregulated sectors, such as journalism, the use of Fahrenheit in the United Kingdom follows no fixed pattern with degrees Fahrenheit often appearing alongside degrees Celsius.
UK journalists are chaotic neutral
When publishing news stories, much of the UK press have adopted a tendency of using degrees Celsius in headlines and discussion relating to low temperatures and Fahrenheit for mid to high temperatures.
COME ON
bright mango
And I thought America was bad
edgy arrow
lmao
they’re just using fahrenheit for high numbers because big number = more click bait
bright mango
Now we’re shaming eris players
mossy zinc
Always.
bright mango
@rain sedge look away
edgy arrow
shaming eris players has been a thing for a while
gaunt fiber
woops
bright mango
Lmao
gaunt fiber
If you listen to Schad, his max heat is like 8 or something.
mossy zinc
Both of these statements can be true.
honest kernel
rama players rise up
edgy arrow
wait i thought we converted pengy to beo
bronze viper
He probably enjoys good aspects
gaunt fiber
Pretty sure he was a Guan Yu player
bronze viper
airhorn noises
edgy arrow
just realised i should have a beo tag
mossy zinc
Pengy787 dedicated their Valentine's run to Tailesque. You don't stand much of a chance there.
edgy arrow
gotta represent
what about “really terrible at the game beo player”
that seems in keeping with other folks
bronze viper
Wow the prettiest fox in the forest. He gets two Rama runs dedicated to him?
rain sedge
“oh i’m so bad, i only have a world record”
eris WR tho
rain sedge
I mean it's only a WR until the serious people like retrash/tail/hadesprofessor decides that they're gonna spend their day doing 56 heat eris
bronze viper
eris WR tho
Lmao this is such a good argument, because Eris is the most recommended and popular aspect. And no one has beaten your record yet. Therefore, casual.
rain sedge
a perfect argument
imagine playing a real aspect that actually requires you to do more than holding down your attack button
rain sedge
like rama
mossy zinc
It's an Eris WR.
rain sedge
y i k e s
my furthest rama run got to lernie and I powershotted less than 10 times in the entire run
xD
bronze viper
Lol, shots fired
honest kernel
whens even valentines day
gaunt fiber
every day
honest kernel
:)
mossy zinc
February 14.
honest kernel
oh
mossy zinc
Or whenever you want it to be. 💕
honest kernel
gaunt fiber
the french answer
A ton service.
honest kernel
I guess the challenge is overdue
gaunt fiber
yeah that's a funny one
mossy zinc
Better oblige Lady Aphrodite's request, or you will face her wrath.
rain sedge
dedicating run to amir for AP
mossy zinc
bronze viper
I want to get the meme 50 thunder Chiron run done to dedicate a run to @dire steppe
rain sedge
if you google "Stockholm Syndrome" it redirects to that run
gaunt fiber
Interesting
mossy zinc
Talos and AP2. I like AP2.
edgy arrow
i think i remember that
rain sedge
and now it's gone
hmmm
oh the spreadsheet version history is only available to owners, too bad
could've used that to check
edgy arrow
yeah that’s weird idk
gaunt fiber
I remember the run yeah
bronze viper
You got stood up by your valentine
rain sedge
maybe it's manually deleted
mossy zinc
I don't think Retrash ever submitted the run to that. It's in "Do a barrel roll!"
bright mango
Rama is my favorite aspect. Beo comes in a close second
edgy arrow
hmm i’ll allow it
second place is better than beo’s gonna get on the heat leaderboards
bronze viper
"close second" well done well done, let them think they hold a place in your heart
bright mango
Rama may or may not be my favorite aspect because i got my first 32 and 40 with it
rain sedge
was it a special only run 🙂
bright mango
Nope
Lvl 1 zeus special the whole run
For my 40
My 32 yes was a special only run
bronze viper
I cheated. I used my attack in my run lol but I started dio keepsake and took relentless Volley. I knew what I was about.
bright mango
Dio special
bronze viper
Pommed aggressively
edgy arrow
what’s weird is that it took me a pile of tries to redo eris post nerf
bright mango
special only
bright mango
Tailesque would be dissapointed
solemn pulsar
this just in, weapon harder to use after nerf, more at 11
mossy zinc
@north dove you didn't submit your dedication to Schad to Aphrodite Valentine's Request.
rain sedge
the nerf really only matters at high heat
it kinda fundamentally changes the way you play eris
edgy arrow
this just in, weapon harder to use after nerf, more at 11
sure but it was a lot more tries
idk i didn’t expect it make as much difference as it did
bronze viper
maybe if I do special only rama I'll do 50
Lmao, Tailesque has been hiding the truth from all of us this whole time.
mossy zinc
He won't actually get a ping if you add the @ in an edit.
bronze viper
You're not getting the Zeus nut with RI2 AP1 cf2 uc at least lol
edgy arrow
is zeus special really faster
mossy zinc
Yeah, but you're a casual.
bright mango
Idk i don’t like dio
edgy arrow
with T2s prolly ig
bronze viper
You need to press your attack button is dip special is the thing... So is it even worth?
edgy arrow
dio special is probably worse if you’re doing literally only special
bright mango
Yeah
bronze viper
Without trolling though it's the best special for Rama imo. Deals very smoothly with small annoying threats, does a lot of low cost incremental damage, sets up for the Arty duo on attack etc.
bright mango
Probably
bright mango
I used zeus special on my 40
rain sedge
I used dio special on my only special rama 40
bronze viper
Lol can't overstate that you need to use your attack. In fact, you get to use your attack lol. That's why it works. The damage occurs over 4 seconds, by doing an action you'd need to do anyway on Rama
bright mango
^^^
bronze viper
Just don't tell @daring hedge i said you need to use the attack. Special gang
bright mango
edgy arrow
but lili said special is bad and i shouldn’t use it
solar maple
high heat rama is hard for me because I'm so used to my any heat play where I don't special that much
but DC2 makes it necessary
edgy arrow
i feel that
bright mango
The best thing for rama is just powershotting
edgy arrow
i actually turned off DC2 for my 40 and it went so much more smoothly
which ofc is a stupid thing to do, but it worked for me
bright mango
Dc is annoying but i needed it
solar maple
for 40 I can see that kinda I was trying 50 though
and just out of the question there
edgy arrow
yeah for sure
halcyon flame
high heat rama is hard for me because I'm so used to my any heat play where I do...
eris 
solar maple
I don't play eris much these days
bright mango
I tried eris 40 but just kinda died
solar maple
I played eris a bunch when I started out speedrunning and then go back to it whenever I feel like getting a pb
usually only takes a few tries haha
bright mango
I played eris a bunch when I started out speedrunning and then go back to it whe...
Same
edgy arrow
high heat eris is so streaky for me
bright mango
I play too aggressively with eris
halcyon flame
how do you just casually decide you're gonna do a pb
edgy arrow
i just don’t know how to play it, but when i accidentally do the right things stuff goes really well
bright mango
That’s why i die when i try doing high heat with it
edgy arrow
then i make a couple mistakes in a row and die
solar maple
you casually decide to do a pb when your old pb is a scuffed beo run
rain sedge
okay dio special rama didn't carry me through 50
solar maple
and you switch to eris
rain sedge
whatever
bright mango
I play aggressively from speedrunning
bright mango
okay dio special rama didn't carry me through 50
Rip
rain sedge
it's fine, 50 is unenjoyable anyway
I can see 49 being fun
but 49 means either RI1 or AP2
edgy arrow
every now and then i wonder if i should try speedrunning
rain sedge
sooo
solar maple
what is a good rama pact for 50?
edgy arrow
then i try it for 5 seconds and i’m like “haha no”
solar maple
I was trying a few different things
edgy arrow
high heat is way more forgiving
solar maple
I was doing all weapons sub 9 and it was so frustrating
I finally got it, but when I was doing fists I missed 2 sack 9 times in a row
bright mango
I still needed sword, bow, and shield for all sub 10
rain sedge
I finally got it, but when I was doing fists I missed 2 sack *9 times in a row*
literally why speedrunning is so unenjoyable
edgy arrow
speedrunning just makes it obvious how bad i actually am at this game
bright mango
I hate when a run gets ruined by a 4 sack tiny vermin when it could’ve been a sub 9
edgy arrow
at 50 heat i can play trash in every room but as long as i scrape by and somehow beat EM4 i can still win theoretically win
bright mango
Definitely didn’t happen to me
rain sedge
at 50 heat i can play trash in every room but as long as i scrape by and somehow...
this is just a beo thing tho
edgy arrow
wym
bright mango
Yeah the tiny vermin run ended up being 9:30 i think
edgy arrow
my point is that speedrunning requires you to play well all the time and high heat only requires you to play well in the hard rooms
bright mango
Yeah
rain sedge
oh
bright mango
High heat also feels more satisfying
rain sedge
my point was that "somehow beating EM4" was a beo thing
edgy arrow
oh yeah that’s true as well lol
bright mango
I felt so much better when i got my first 40 then my first sub 10
Blocking spins huge
solar maple
yeah the most excited I've ever been at a hades accomplishment was 50 heat first clear
that or call% lmao
shy gulch
my point is that speedrunning requires you to play well *all the time* and high ...
this is actually half the reason I got drawn into speedrunning
edgy arrow
wait did you do call%
shy gulch
it being less forgiving was somehow more appealing to me
edgy arrow
how
solar maple
Call% = no attack/dash/special/cast
bright mango
I still feel like high heat is harder
edgy arrow
yeah i theorised about call% ages ago
shy gulch
probably
edgy arrow
i thought it was too impractical to ever be done
bright mango
Speedrunning requires you to be good but also has a lot of rng
solar maple
that's what I did anyway
rain sedge
fastest until you can get the first call from fresh file
halcyon flame
what about revenge boons for call%?
rain sedge
how do you EVEN do call %
rain sedge
The only rng in high heat is sacks
lmfao what even is this statement
rain sedge
And that’s not a huuuge deal normally
LMFAO
mossy zinc
Speedrunning is way more forgiving lol. You're never concerned with actually failing the run. It's just about how well you won, not if you won.
edgy arrow
The only rng in high heat is sacks
um
rain sedge
link me pseudo
halcyon flame
17 minutes
bright mango
I meant like 2 sacks/3sacks for timer
halcyon flame
with literally just the call lmao
solar maple
mostly revenge boons on this run
vengeful mood is a bit faster of a build than smoldering
but I've gotten wins with smoldering too
bright mango
I’m not that high up so for me the only luck based thing that matters is sacks for timer
I’m sure at 50 heat rooms matter
solar maple
I like pacts with a tight timer so normal room play matters
bright mango
But for me the only rooms that matter are ones without chariots and greatshields
rain sedge
pseudo what am I watching
bright mango
I normally have td3 on so 2 sacks matter normally
rain sedge
this is so cursed
solar maple
lmao
rain sedge
this is even more cursed than retrash runs
rain sedge
I'm in physical pain watching this
mossy zinc
Like, these arguments make literally zero sense. The only requirement for a successful speedrun is that you win. That's the only barrier of entry. You can put any win on the speedrun board. Now try that on high heat lol, you're gonna have a way harder time actually getting a run that you can put on the leaderboard.
rain sedge
I genuinely thought
rain sedge
it was "fresh file to your first call"
bright mango
LMAO
rain sedge
not this abomination
solemn pulsar
it's callsonly.com
solar maple
it was a meme suggestion that people kept asking haelian to do
rain sedge
why are speedrunners like this 😦
solar maple
he said it was impossible
rain sedge
I am deceased
solar maple
so I did it
rain sedge
what other categories am I blissfully unaware of
solar maple
then I speedran it
solemn pulsar
it's actually really difficult you had to consider so much strategy
shy gulch
is this a speed runner thing
solemn pulsar
very impressive
solemn pulsar
what other categories am I blissfully unaware of
meg%
edgy arrow
what’s meg%
rain sedge
I enjoy bright01's strim as I said
shy gulch
was it
bright mango
lmfao what even is this statement
Wdym
solar maple
noone else has done call% as far as I know
solemn pulsar
"dying in tart for 2 hours until you get the voiceline" = fun
rain sedge
bright made it fun
shy gulch
fighting ur way thru tart praying it’s meg for 2 hours
solar maple
call% is actually pretty fun if you ignore the resets
shy gulch
bright being in pain is quite fun to watch thats true
edgy arrow
is that literally just fresh file to battie unlock
solemn pulsar
call% is actually pretty fun if you ignore the resets
rain sedge
thank you for the support HC qualifier cgull
shy gulch
it’s fresh file to frick meg
bright mango
Get laid%
edgy arrow
ah
solar maple
you basically need call or revenge room 1 and those can't appear without rolling
so you reset over half of runs c1
solemn pulsar
just seed it my dude
solar maple
seed a roll?
shy gulch
yes.
solemn pulsar
yeah rolls are seeded
solar maple
or just give up on a good seed
rain sedge
but the mod
solemn pulsar
yeah give up on a good seed
rain sedge
doesn't check anything other than the first room right?
it doesnt even check AP stuff
solemn pulsar
the starting boon does check AP
the routing door predictor mod does not
i tried to combine the two, unsuccessfully
rain sedge
I've tried seeding with AP but it crosses out the wrong boons
solemn pulsar
hmm, weird
solar maple
I would give up on a good seed sometimes. I wanted to show a death in that one though because I was going to submit to srcom initially. I never ended up submitting it though
solemn pulsar
fair
solar maple
I felt too bad about forcing someone to watch that haha
solemn pulsar
for that category i think it's fine to use a seed lol
bright mango
What I'm saying is, this statement is so fundamentally wrong, I'm not gonna argu...
Yeah what i said was that i wasnt at 50 heat yet so rng isn’t the biggest deal.
rain sedge
a really bad movie you watch but it's so good because it's so bad
edgy arrow
pretty sure rng exists before 50 lol
solar maple
patty is biiiig rng
rain sedge
pseudo sir
bright mango
I’ve had my share of AP bad luck but other than that it’s not bad
bright mango
You can still win without patty at 32
solar maple
maybe
rain sedge
oh god let's think about something
solemn pulsar
you wouldn't even be the 5th longest any heat video
rain sedge
this is gonna be good
solar maple
I mean it's faster than most 50 heat runs 🤷
rain sedge
one guy has a 52 minute RTA with a 9:34 IGT
this means he goes to the bathroom, showered, did grocieries in between
xD
solar maple
also the -move spead curse in aspho was the most cursed thing
hardy linden
at 50 heat no one does td3 right
solemn pulsar
oh he just spends like half an hour talking to his stream about each choice
for 50 heat it's basically TD3 and EM3 or EM4 and TD2
solar maple
or both 🙂
rain sedge
oh he just spends like half an hour talking to his stream about each choice
oh this is actually good streaming
I enjoy that
solemn pulsar
the second one gives you 8 extra minutes, which is more than enough time to clear EM4
but doesn't give you additional skill
solemn pulsar
i mean if you're good at EM4 it's not the worst option
solar maple
or AP2
rain sedge
how much longer is EM4 compared to EM3 on 50?
solemn pulsar
since you can run with almost no JS as well
edgy arrow
with beo, you don’t need time or skill to clear EM4
rain sedge
I feel like sometimes I clear with 1-2 mins extra time so I wonder is EM4 and TD3 is viable
rain sedge
oh ok
solemn pulsar
and that's if you're good at it
solar maple
in my 50 speedrun em4 was 2:30, but my build was only slightly above average
solar maple
sub 2 is possible for sure
rain sedge
beo is the marmite of hades
solar maple
and that was with CP2 so sub 2 is even more possible
edgy arrow
this channel is like, a good 20% beo propaganda at this point
rain sedge
cgull, arent you a beo man?
solemn pulsar
i love beo
rain sedge
didnt you qualify with beo yesterday
solar maple
this channel is like, a good 20% beo propaganda at this point
I've got to pump those numbers up
solemn pulsar
yeah i even flexed a dio beo run at the end
rain sedge
I saw
edgy arrow
ye
solemn pulsar
like 5 people
rain sedge
more like 2
solemn pulsar
hadesprof has the record, tailesque had the record
edgy arrow
it’s basically just 2 yeah
solar maple
I'm third in the world so 2 people checks out
solemn pulsar
i died to dad like twice on WR pace
bright mango
How tf is that even supposed to work
solemn pulsar
my PB just isn't good because i keep dying
rain sedge
hold up let me see the 50 times
solar maple
I haven't submitted my 14:08 yet
solemn pulsar
peach was doing a fast 50 i think
rain sedge
gooddamnit it's actually good times
solemn pulsar
so there's like 4-5 people who have purposefully tried to go fast
edgy arrow
is peach speedrunning 50 with arthur
rain sedge
I was gonna roll out the eris 50 grind but
solemn pulsar
and one who has failed horribly (me)
edgy arrow
that sounds absolutely terrifying
rain sedge
even if I get 15 min it's like 5th
solar maple
or just a luckier pos cast runn
solemn pulsar
all the top 5 times are super solid there
edgy arrow
anything below 15 mins at 50 is pretty crazy if you ask me
rain sedge
no thanks
solar maple
I love that my 50 speedrun was JS2 CP2 EM4 lmao
solemn pulsar
not really
rain sedge
@solemn pulsar do you know which speedrunner are you facing on elimination bracket, and what aspects?
solar maple
yeah I was thinking about a JS1 CP1 EM3 RI2 AP2 shackle pact
solemn pulsar
<@!334853357871169536> do you know which speedrunner are you facing on eliminati...
RonnieDaBear, and we're still drafting aspects. Current slate is Eris (blame ananke for that), Chaos (blame bablo for that), Achilles (duunk0)
ronnie picks one next, then me
rain sedge
why is tail still no 1? Didnt hadesprofessor bust out some 11 min hestia?
edgy arrow
yeah I was thinking about a JS1 CP1 EM3 RI2 AP2 shackle pact
that sounds like an rng slog
solar maple
yeah you want to be able to take off shackle by elysium
rain sedge
wait I thought it's all 3 weapon race?
solemn pulsar
why is tail still no 1? Didnt hadesprofessor bust out some 11 min hestia?
it was 10 seconds faster, hasn't been approved yet. huge approval backlog, there's like dozens of submissions a day
rain sedge
why is there more than 3 weapons?
solar maple
and aspho/elysium room rng is so important
rain sedge
it was 10 seconds faster, hasn't been approved yet. huge approval backlog, there...
makes sense thanks
solar maple
c34 can easilly be like 1 min
solemn pulsar
wait I thought it's all 3 weapon race?
it is, we're drafting 6 aspects, one for each weapon. then the race is ban-ban-pick-pick-pick
rain sedge
ah makes sense
solemn pulsar
so each race can have unique aspects of those 6
solemn pulsar
makes sense thanks
rule of thumb is about 7 days from submission for approval
rain sedge
I think I get it
solar maple
shackle beo gets pretty constant ~3 min tarts though which is why I think I could compete for times
solemn pulsar
it's like banning stages in smash if that makes sense
rain sedge
so... 3 aspects guaranteed from top seeds. Then you 2 pick 2 more aspect. Then the last weapon aspect comes from somewhere. Then you ban-ban-pick-pick-pick?
solemn pulsar
but we're picking all 3 for the full set up front
solemn pulsar
so... 3 aspects guaranteed from top seeds. Then you 2 pick 2 more aspect. Then t...
JDN 6th place guy picks last one
edgy arrow
shackle beo gets pretty constant ~3 min tarts though which is why I think I coul...
tartarus isn’t what i’m worried about
solemn pulsar
but yeah that's it
solar maple
tartarus isn’t what i’m worried about
elysium rng is so annoying yeah
solemn pulsar
haelian is bullying ronnie to pick arthur rn
solar maple
aspho is alright (wavemakers smh)
solemn pulsar
i want poseidon sword tho it fun
edgy arrow
just not sure how long it would take
rain sedge
to think that we could've had GY and lucifer
solar maple
styx would be a big time save vs EM4 though
solemn pulsar
and ronnie has experience on arthur and i dont lol
solar maple
like 1 full min +
solemn pulsar
to think that we could've had GY and lucifer
sadly bablo can only pick once
rain sedge
but people picked boring aspects like eris
solemn pulsar
i wanted hestia so bad
rain sedge
we've watched eris every speedrun
solemn pulsar
ananke wants to win srry
he's like "yeah it's boring but i have thousands of runs on this thing so"
solar maple
both
solar maple
he actually likes chaos tbf
solar maple
lmao
rain sedge
this is gonna be amazing if not for the first ban phase
solemn pulsar
will the 3weps runs need to be 3 different weapons?
yes, every weapon gets 1 aspect picked
solar maple
wait but isn't there 7 weps?
solemn pulsar
there are 6
solar maple
so 1 wep gets picked twice
solemn pulsar
previous cups had 7 aspects
solar maple
7 aspects in the pool I mean
solar maple
3 bans
rain sedge
I think cgull said 2 bans?
solemn pulsar
1 weapon not picked each time, but also not banned
first pick is 1 of 4, second 1 of 3, third 1 of 2, after the bans
rain sedge
cgull I rely on you to meme it up
solemn pulsar
noooo i wanna do my best
rain sedge
gilgamesh speedrun!
rain sedge
is the aspect-picking and pick-ban phase on the day, or do you know beforehand and you get to practice?
solemn pulsar
during the race
but if you know what you're going to ban
then you only have 5 things to practice
solemn pulsar
also i don't need to practice eris
solar maple
make it fair by adding in a 7th weapon
solemn pulsar
7th weapon : call only
rain sedge
actually this means that achilless in the pool, and the entire race can be decided by who gets flurry jab
solar maple
beat me to it
rain sedge
cool that's on brand
solemn pulsar
they are seeded with hammers, so they'd seed a flurry jab race, or it'd be down to a 1/3 chance on the 2nd hammer if they choose no flurry
or they could seed massive/quick/flaring spin
that way NO flurry
solemn pulsar
just the first one i think
idk what they'll do
this is the first time they've done multiwep races
for quals it was just the first one, but we could also pick any weapon other than the first one
rain sedge
because if not, they'll start according to pick order, and if achiless is not first, it'll just be flurry jab RNG
solemn pulsar
yeah, i think i'll bring up seeding each weapon
rain sedge
idk how much faster is flurry jab but I assume it's race deciding
solemn pulsar
big risk there is the runner forgets lol
um i mean high heat
hermes cup 5 should be hermes cup 50
50 heat runs only
rain sedge
I mean you're joking but
I don't think 32 heat runs are a bad idea
has a lot of benefits
like, educating people which heats are good/bad
how to play at high heat
getting interest in the other extreme of the game
mossy zinc
idk how much faster is flurry jab but I assume it's race deciding
Flurry Jab vs no Flurry Jab is like Spear Rail vs Spear.
solar maple
flurry jab is like a min of time save
edgy arrow
hermes cup 5 should be hermes cup 50
yeah and hermes cup 6 should be hermes cup 60. 60 heat only.
and hermes cup 7 should be-
solar maple
if you get it early
mossy zinc
So just a Tailesque exhibition then.
solar maple
50 heat race in the quals style could be fu
get like an hour to put down your best 50 heat time
or two/three hours
gaunt fiber
48 hours would be fair
rain sedge
an hour is like, 1 run
edgy arrow
48 hours is don’t sleep to win mode
solar maple
2 hours seems like enough imo
solar maple
1 hour is like 1 finished run + a bunch of resets
rain sedge
is there even more than 10 people that can do 50 heat consistently
and among them who even wants to do HC
baj? tail?
retrash doesnt look like a speedrun guy
solar maple
yeah I don't think there are enough people
bright mango
HC at 50???
solar maple
I considered joining quals for this HC
but I didn't want to get stream working
if it broke in the middle I would be sad
also 90% of my runs are on my laptop in bed lmao
solar maple
mouse on the sheets, no mousepad
edgy arrow
pseudo can clear 50 while asleep confirmed
solar maple
gaming
rain sedge
lmfao wtf
solar maple
that's how all my high heat runs were done
solar maple
I smooth dark sheets which helps too
my mouse is super scuffed too
I bought it on amazon a few years ago for like $10
rain sedge
wow the beo players = MKB user meme was right
solar maple
it's true
edgy arrow
it’s actually legit lol
solar maple
beo is nice on KBM
rain sedge
is there any beo high heaters not on MKB
solar maple
rail stinky on KBM btw
edgy arrow
none afaik
solar maple
good, but not fun
edgy arrow
we’re all kbm
rain sedge
rail stinky on KBM btw
mouse + controller
solar maple
yeah, me bright, ohok all kbm
rain sedge
tyler?
solar maple
also kbm I think
edgy arrow
kbm as well yeah
rain sedge
I can't keep track of who else are the beo players
edgy arrow
apparently lol
gaunt fiber
Imagine complaining while having free EM4
rain sedge
that's all the 50+ beo players on the sheet
edgy arrow
yeah unless you count Retrash or Hadesprof
rain sedge
I don't
edgy arrow
who aren’t really beo players, they just do all the things
solar maple
retrash has never done 50 heat beo don't @ me
rain sedge
they are not beo players, they are gamers
mossy zinc
You have to count Retrash and Hadesprofessor. They're better Beowulf players than you.
gaunt fiber
lmao
rain sedge
ok I'm gonna go enjoy the sun, cya all
edgy arrow
they’re better players than me full stop lol
gaunt fiber
ok I'm gonna go enjoy the sun, cya all
Sun, in your country?
rain sedge
Yes it's a very rare occasion
solar maple
I would say "I'll believe that when I see them do 55 heat beo" but I think they actually would lmao
mossy zinc
horheristo, bablo, and I have also done 50+ with Beowulf.
quartz mantle
To add to the Beo players using KBM discussion I enjoy Beo and I play on KBM
solemn pulsar
I think beo is equal on controller and kbm
Charged shot beo is far superior on kbm
solar maple
that wouldn't explain the high heat trend
charged shot isn't that great for high heat imo
well it's good for very high heat (I think charge shot + snow burst is the best way for beo to clear 60 heat)
and good for high heat speedruns
spring kettle
Very consistent too
I see beo and Hera used in three weapon speedruns all the time
solar maple
yeah they are common choices
solemn pulsar
They are consistent yeah
bronze viper
Bablo and tail are controller. I know bablo has done beo high heat and I assume tail has
solemn pulsar
Those two + Eris is low roll 3 wep
true fable
tail hasnt done high heat beo but its inevitable at this point
solar maple
charge shot mino rush beo is just rama anyway
solemn pulsar
rama + block
bright mango
Surprisingly true
solemn pulsar
cast AOE = shared suffering
unique zephyr
Gotten to Hades second form once and to styx once in my 32 heat attempts, it feels so close
Trying with Hestia
bright mango
Nice
mossy zinc
If you got there once, you can do it again. 
Remember to not rush the fight. Keep calm, and focus on playing clean rather than fast.
north dove
<@!240258547370164234> you didn't submit your dedication to Schad to Aphrodite V...
done, I totally forgot
mossy zinc
@rain sedge there you go.
bright mango
If you got there once, you can do it again. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
So true
Just do whatever weapon you are the most comfortable with
That helps a lot
unique zephyr
Remember to not rush the fight. Keep calm, and focus on playing clean rather tha...
Thanks for that tip! I was kind of the opposite of calm that first time since I wasn’t used to only having stubborn defiance
I like using Hestia and I’ve gotten far with it (went to Styx just now before dying) so I’ll keep doing that
My pact set up probably doesn’t need adjusting if I’m able to get this far right?
mossy zinc
Yeah, in my experience when going for something new like this, the first few losses to Hades are always due to rushing the fight instead of just taking my time. But the more often you face him, the more confident you'll be, and then it's easier to stay calm and just play clean.
bright mango
WTF WHY ARE CHARIOTS SO FAST