#h1-high-heat-strategies

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opal drift
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Possible is a bad term

vital grove
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And Baj will do it too.

opal drift
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Its possible, but hell of a task

spice lava
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Close to perfect ability to not lose hp

opal drift
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And yeah no TAS yet

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Not sure if its possible with one actually, do enemies have random patterns?

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Stuff like the sneak kinda make me think they do

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And the way the bosses act

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Plus the dialogue

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:/

gaunt fiber
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Don't get hit

solar maple
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Someone might do a routed max heat at some point. Would still be quite hard though, so resets from dying + dropping route would be annoying

spice lava
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Nice

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About beowulf, is it possible to have a decent run with any cast at 50h?

solar maple
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not any cast

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but about half of them imo

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My first run that would have beaten 54 was with athena cast (4 sacked though)

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and athena is like the 3rd best cast

spice lava
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Dmg + reflect?

solar maple
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yeah but the aoe is so small

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so enemies get pushed out and you can't clear with it well

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dmg is good though

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poseidon > arti > athena > demeter are the best

honest kernel
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What about dio ?

solar maple
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dio with infernal is too slow I think

honest kernel
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Ah

solar maple
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with styg it could be good

honest kernel
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Fair

spice lava
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I see

solar maple
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ares is amusing but not great

honest kernel
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I'm honestly surprised by the Athena here

vital grove
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Aphro?

solar maple
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zeus is awful

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oh I forgot aphro

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aphro is about as good as arti

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a bit better, but a worse god to have

vital grove
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I kinda like P Flare and Deadly strike

solar maple
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after cast all aphro boons are pretty terrible but arti has amazing followups

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I'm a huge fan of athena attack + arti cast + DR

vital grove
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Hmmmm

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That does sound good

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And passion dash 🤔

solar maple
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the Poseidon call for mirage shot lmao. Just go for 3 duos on 50 heat. EZ

quartz mantle
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Aphro attack and special have the highest damage modifiers out of any attack/special boons plus Weak

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Life affirmation, sweet surrender

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Even dying lament is solid

solar maple
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life affirmation is ok. You don't need weak from 2 things

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hunter's mark is so much damage

vital grove
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And fully loaded

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If you luck into it

solar maple
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fully loaded is a myth (an amazing myth, but a myth)

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aphro cast also almost never gets mirage on high heat

quartz mantle
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The real meme is Aphro attack with Unhealthy Fixation on a fast weapon

solar maple
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where it's pretty common for arti cast

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aphro has better base damage so it's still a very good cast

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poseidon > aphro > arti > athena > dem > ares > dio > zeus

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is the full tier list I think

neat sonnet
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Doesn’t fully loaded have like 4 conditional boons?

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Like: core slot, pp, support fire, then you can get it?

solar maple
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fully loaded on beo needs support fire and pressure points exactly

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that's why I said it was a myth

mossy zinc
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With Passion Flare, you'd look for Smoldering Air or Heart Rend rather than Mirage Shot.

solar maple
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much easier on other weapons where you can get exit wounds

neat sonnet
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True

solar maple
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heart rend is meh with pash flare though. Your casts don't crit

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smoldering is great though

vital grove
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The rush is a pretty big attack

gaunt fiber
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shield goes bonk

vital grove
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Especially if you minotaur or charge shot

mossy zinc
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No, but Deadly Strike can crit.

solar maple
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I'm still not sure how to feel about charge shot on high heat

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it's tons of damage but I keep dying with it haha

vital grove
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Minotaur power charge crit with heart Rend tho

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Big numbers

solar maple
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rama shield 👀

neat sonnet
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Hmmmm

solar maple
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also HR doesn't work all that well with the casts because the attack hits first

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so you don't get HR until the second cast volley

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HR with arti cast though..... 👀

vital grove
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Then aphro attack and Arty cast

mossy zinc
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I know. But those are the two Duo Boons you'd care.

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Lightning Strike + Passion Flare is excellent for dealing with DC2 and unlocks Smoldering Air easily with any good Call.

solar maple
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smoldering is fantastic for sure

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can carry a run on its own

vital grove
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Might be the best duo in the game really

neat sonnet
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What does smouldering do again

vital grove
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With billowing it is for sure

mossy zinc
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Caps your God Gauge at 25% and charges 1% every .2 seconds.

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So if you do nothing else and don't take damage, your Lesser Call will charge in 5 seconds.

neat sonnet
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Oh busted

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Zeus call go brrrrrr

mossy zinc
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I'd rather have Dionysus' Aid, but yes.

gaunt fiber
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Artemis' Aid though

neat sonnet
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Oh true doesn’t a full stack usually tick for like.. 140?

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Arti aid that’s a good one astaos

mossy zinc
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I'll take Artemis' Aid and go for Heart Rend instead if I see it. Artemis' Aid has excellent burst damage.

solar maple
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I like pos and athena calls to get out of scary spots

vital grove
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Yeah Poseidon aid is my favorite

mossy zinc
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Just make sure you backstab and put some poms on it.

solar maple
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pos is huge damage too

vital grove
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... Poseidon aid can backstab?

neat sonnet
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That’s cursed information

gaunt fiber
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No, Artemis'

vital grove
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Ah

gaunt fiber
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You want to backstab with Artemis

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btw no kidding

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I like Arty lesser call with smoldering Air

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Alright, I said it

vital grove
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Heart Rend, parting shot, deadly reversal, full Artemis Aid

neat sonnet
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If you backstab I guess that’s a ton of dmg

mossy zinc
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I think they all can? I was talking about Artemis' Aid, anyway.

vital grove
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It's only 3 duos.

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And backstab keepsake

gaunt fiber
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Casually drifting with Poseidon's aid to backstab

vital grove
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Poseidon Aid can hit one target two times on lesser

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But is it 3 times with the boon

mossy zinc
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40% > 20%.

vital grove
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Rip or whatever

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Rip current

mossy zinc
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Yeah, pretty sure you can hit three times with Rip Curtent.

honest kernel
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3 times for sure

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4 times at epic I think ?

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I've had it hit 4 times with that. That, or a pom

vital grove
edgy arrow
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what

bright mango
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oh they dont

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im dumb

edgy arrow
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skull earring high confidence has like, the least synergy ever

bright mango
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Im so dumb

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i forgot what skull earrings do

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wtf

edgy arrow
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skull earring is an extra +40% damage when you're below 35% health

vital grove
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Amazing with Stubborn Def

bright mango
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Yeah I realized it when you said they have the least synergy ever

edgy arrow
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fair

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there's a lotta keepsakes in this game lol

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took me an embarrassingly long time just to remember which is Hera and which is Hestia

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they both start with H and am smol brain

bright mango
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Maybe I should use skull earrings in asphodel since Im below 35 % of my health 90 % of the time👀

vital grove
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They both have 1 big shot

edgy arrow
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its true

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basically the same weapon honestly

vital grove
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Herstia

bright mango
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herstia ship

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its happening

edgy arrow
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i'd be more invested in this ship if i knew anything about either of these characters

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i'm still invested tho

vital grove
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Man a combined weapon effects mod would be 🔝

bright mango
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Honestly the ship wouldnt work

vital grove
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🔫 OH yeah aspect of supersoaker emote

bright mango
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Hestia is like a sworn maiden and hera is like the goddess of marriage

edgy arrow
vital grove
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Arthur Beo

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Casting creates consecration

waxen relic
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Guan Yu Beo?

vital grove
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Lose half hp.

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Next

edgy arrow
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wait

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not next just yet

bright mango
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Hera beovolfredthink

edgy arrow
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can GY beo get charged flight and charged skewer?

bright mango
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whaaaaaaa

vital grove
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Granted.

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You take hazard damage on return

waxen relic
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+400% zagluv

bright mango
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Chaos plus beo👀

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Chunky special with charged flight

edgy arrow
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yup +400% just like old times

bright mango
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With the extra shields

edgy arrow
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achilles plus beo

bright mango
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yesss

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that actually sounds good

edgy arrow
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my aspect doesn't do enough damage i need +150%

bright mango
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definitely

vital grove
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Eris Rama

waxen relic
vital grove
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Rama special now increases your damage.

bright mango
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and then think of the cast damage

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insane

vital grove
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Eris now gains shared suffering.

bright mango
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thats gonna make eris even more broken

edgy arrow
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demeter eris

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6x charged up special plus cluster rockets

bright mango
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rocket bomb + cluster👀

edgy arrow
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^

waxen relic
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gimme hestia hades i'll be content

edgy arrow
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idk even know how that would work

bright mango
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I wonder if you could use two weapons at once

waxen relic
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you load minicharge and the whole room is dead

vital grove
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You shoot a spear

bright mango
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Thats just explosive launcher

edgy arrow
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okay what's a combo that wouldn't be broken

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zag sword GY

vital grove
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Zag shield and Nemesis

edgy arrow
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its just GY but now you can take cursed slash hurray

bright mango
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Zag bow + nemesis

vital grove
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Now your crits have good base damage

edgy arrow
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zag shield plus nem actually sounds good

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nem deals really good damage but its super exposed

vital grove
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Nemesis Arthur

edgy arrow
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make it a shield, problem solved

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nem arthur sounds fun

bright mango
edgy arrow
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i'd play that

vital grove
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Hell yeah

waxen relic
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Chiron Zag Bow residentzag

bright mango
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anything + nemesis sounds fun

vital grove
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Shackle nemesis Arthur, room 1 2000 damage

bright mango
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is arthur a good high heat weapon. Idk what to do for my 32 sword. I tried poseidon but I keep getting killed trying to special

edgy arrow
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i hope nem arthur can take flurry slash

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it would be funny and stupid

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but i want it

waxen relic
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At 32 Arthur should be really good

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just no DC less FO

bright mango
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Yeah I normally dont have those on at 32

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Except for rail and fists

edgy arrow
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it falls off sharply after that tho

bright mango
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ok

edgy arrow
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arthur 40 is really hard

bright mango
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Thats fine

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I need to do sword and fists to finish off 6x32

edgy arrow
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i'd do a pact with FO0 honestly

bright mango
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Yeah I didnt have fo on except for my rail 32

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Although the rail 32 was arguably the easiest

edgy arrow
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rail and shield are pretty good at managing FO yeah

waxen relic
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just do EM3, UC, FO1, BP2, RI4, TD3 squirtnya

edgy arrow
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defs got lucky with chaos boons lol, but i think the pact is solid

rain sedge
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JS3 CP2

bright mango
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This is my 32 setup

rain sedge
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why do you do this to yourself 😦

edgy arrow
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TD2

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its fine

waxen relic
rain sedge
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I like pengy's setup more

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I'd take CF0 and FO1

bright mango
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Sometimes I switch out TD for JS and DC if I have a bit of trouble

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instead of td3

edgy arrow
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pengy's setup is good as well

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might be better honestly, i'd forgotten i ran CP2

bright mango
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Is td3 ok with arthur?

edgy arrow
bright mango
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idk it seems like a slow weapon

edgy arrow
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i think FO0 is easier

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it is a slow weapon

bright mango
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So no td3?

edgy arrow
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it's doable

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idk there's a reason i ran TD2

waxen relic
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try TD3 and if you're just timing out in tartarus it's fine

edgy arrow
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but your setup can prolly work

bright mango
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ok

edgy arrow
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yeah what atticor said

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experiment with it

rain sedge
mossy zinc
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That's my pact, though. I demand royalties when you use it.

bright mango
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mine?

rain sedge
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probably right honestly, it needs what, deadly strike and hunter's mark?

mossy zinc
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Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

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There.

edgy arrow
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pretty much yeah

bright mango
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For arthur?

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oh ok

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yeah lmao

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It is the same

edgy arrow
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you don't need to put much in for it to deal decent damage, at which point its just about surviving

bright mango
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Except for the keepsakes

edgy arrow
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and playing efficiently

bright mango
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I normally dont take owl pendant in asphodel

edgy arrow
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what're you running in aspho?

bright mango
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Depends on my build

edgy arrow
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doubt there's anything else that can help you more than athena for arthur honestly

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unless you need acorn for lernie or something

bright mango
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I can normally beat lernie now without dying

edgy arrow
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for 40 i actually did an owl pendant start

gaunt fiber
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Imagine having 30 hp but skull earring is not active

bright mango
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smh

edgy arrow
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i didn't realise you'd ever had as much as 30 max hp Astaos

rain sedge
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I'd rather have attack boon on room 1

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at 40 it's not so bad

edgy arrow
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i'm no arthur expert

rain sedge
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unless you're streaking like bablo

edgy arrow
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but owl pendant start is straight from Peach

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pretty sure he ran owl pendant to start in that ridiculously fast 40 run

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wait lemme check

rain sedge
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what in the world...

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
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owl pendant for speedrun?

edgy arrow
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okay nvm that was arrowhead

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yeah that would be weird on a speedrun, dunno what i was thinking

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either way, he told me to run it for 40 and it worked so idk

mossy zinc
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Owl Pendant for ME. squirtnya

bright mango
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So athena on dash?

edgy arrow
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yus

bright mango
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and am I aiming for heartrend

edgy arrow
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ehhh

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i don't think its worth it, honestly

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if you do, don't use special to proc weak

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its too slow

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use cast or dash

bright mango
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ok

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So dash striking is the way to go right?

edgy arrow
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not really

rain sedge
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it's always athena on dash, that's the idea behind the owl pendant start

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it makes it safer

edgy arrow
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you wanna dash carry your combo hits

bright mango
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wut

edgy arrow
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dashing striking sometimes as well; depends on how tough the enemy is

bright mango
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ok

edgy arrow
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arthur has a 3 hit combo

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you can dash between hits

bright mango
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You can do that?

edgy arrow
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yup

bright mango
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I guess I'll practice with skelly

edgy arrow
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yeah

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you mostly get a feel for it after a while

bright mango
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maybe I'll watch like a 50 arthur run

rain sedge
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peachhead stream

edgy arrow
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^

bright mango
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Does somebody have a link?

edgy arrow
bright mango
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thx

mossy zinc
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And also Guan Yu.

edgy arrow
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that applies to other swords?

mossy zinc
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Yes.

edgy arrow
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but they don't have combos

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only dash strike

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dash strike and special is all that exists

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legit didn't know that tho lol

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shows how much i play zag/nem sword

bright mango
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Astoas strimming rn

neat sonnet
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pog, if only I wasn't in classes

bronze viper
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@bright mango link?

bright mango
vital grove
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I'd rather have DR on Arthur

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Such high base damage, you want to maximize your crit chance and you want both of them anyway

edgy arrow
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as opposed to heart rend?

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big agree

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dash doesn't work as a prereq for DR tho, so you gotta get special or attack

mossy zinc
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Heart Rend beats Deadly Reversal in DPS.

edgy arrow
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sure

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but its way more convenient

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if you go arty attack, athena dash and happen to pick up special as well its (relatively) easy DR

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for heart rend, you gottta either proc with dash (means no divine dash) proc it with special (ehhhh) or cast, which works but isn't the most convenient

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idk heart rend is fine

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its just not worth building for it if you're just looking to clear imo

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might be good for speedruns tho

bright mango
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So dr > heartrend for clears?

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With athena dash on arthur that sounds spicy

mossy zinc
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Maybe.

edgy arrow
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that's what i think

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but like

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i'm pretty bad at arthur honestly

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so take my opinions here with a grain of salt

mossy zinc
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No. Arthur is pretty bad at you.

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Don't take the blame.

edgy arrow
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yeah arthur couldn't beat me in a fight

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i got a shield

mossy zinc
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I wouldn't take the blame for any Stygius losses.

edgy arrow
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smart

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that's a good high heat strategy

bright mango
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Reset city here I come

vital grove
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Deadly reversal into marked target means you're going to crit city

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With so much damage being thrown around heart Rend may be overkill.

bronze viper
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Yeah I'd prefer a smoother curve of crits vs. even chunkier ones

vital grove
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Also, passion dash is worse defensively than divine dash

bronze viper
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Worse offensively too

mossy zinc
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Deadly Reversal only procs when you actually Deflect something and only for 2 seconds.

bronze viper
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You can yolo into enemies quite hard with DD

vital grove
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It's true the more deflect you have the better

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Athena call is insanely good for that

bright mango
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Still you deflect quite a lot

mossy zinc
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You could be taking a Call that does actual damage instead of Athena's Aid.

vital grove
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I mean ideally, you dash through an attack, deflecting it, then backstab with a massive crit.

bright mango
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So DR probably better for safety and stuff

bronze viper
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Also consider that Arthur is complete dingdongs at building call charge

bright mango
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im gonna aim for dr for my 32 arthur

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ding dong

mossy zinc
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m not entirely convinced it's that much safer.

vital grove
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Exposed matters quite a bit

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With such high base damage

mossy zinc
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Heart Rend gets easier access to Smoldering Air for free i-frames + damage.

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And potentially Second Wind.

bronze viper
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Right, I don't think the selling factor is Heart Rend. It's Smoldering Air

vital grove
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I wouldn't go out of my way for Zeus on Arthur

bright mango
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but arthur special is so slow

bronze viper
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I would. Smoldering Air is hella dope on Arthur

bright mango
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And pash dash kinda sucks

vital grove
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I would take a natural Zeus, but I wouldn't keepsake Zeus

bronze viper
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Heartbreak Strike isn't even bad on Arthur lol

mossy zinc
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Excalibur builds God Gauge very slowly, so Smoldering Air makes a huge difference.

bright mango
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but then what would arty be on

bronze viper
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Nothing

vital grove
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I mean this is Arthur

bright mango
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well then where is heartrend

bronze viper
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Nowhere

vital grove
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Start Arty, take Athena in Asphodel

bronze viper
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I think Smoldering Air is a lot better than Heart Rend

bright mango
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so this is smoldering air build

mossy zinc
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That's my typical build: Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air. Sometimes Heartbreak Strike + Electric Shot and some other Call.

bronze viper
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Shrug, it's what I used to carry my 32 Arthur lol

bright mango
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i'll try out all 3

mossy zinc
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Tbh I think at 32 Excalibur kinda carries itself.

bright mango
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That extra 50 health is huge

edgy arrow
bright mango
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For SD

bronze viper
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Yeah but my brain goes all lizardy when I'm on Stygius

mossy zinc
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Probably the easiest 32 mirrorless I did was Excalibur.

bronze viper
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I need to get carried by something

edgy arrow
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and if you're bad (like me) no divine dash can be a problem

bright mango
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I got carried by beowulf

vital grove
true fable
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i think placing good holy ground mitigates the need to have divine dash

bronze viper
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Lmao

edgy arrow
bronze viper
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I'll maintain that there's a lot more people that come into here saying "how do I rama" vs. "Wow Rama hard carried me"

edgy arrow
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i mean, you're right of course

mossy zinc
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Hallowed Ground + Weak is huge, yeah.

edgy arrow
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that's why my comment was predicated on "if you're bad like me"

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if you're good at arthur, you can prolly do all sorts of things with it

vital grove
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It's why I think passion dash gets a pass on Arthur tbh

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Weak and Consecration is a lot

bright mango
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Should I upgrade arthur?

mossy zinc
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None of us is good at Excalibur lol.

bright mango
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Its at lvl 1 lmao

vital grove
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Yeah we need Master Peach of the round table.

mossy zinc
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We just tell you what works to make up for us being bad at it. dusa

bronze viper
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At 32? Honestly, it doesn't really matter that much lol

bright mango
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Well 32 somewhat hard for me

bronze viper
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The extra DR is nice but like, if you have other places to spend blood shrug

bright mango
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Its not as hard as it used to but it still is a bit sweaty

mossy zinc
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The only 32 strategy that matters for Excalibur is no FO and no DC. The rest is free choice.

bright mango
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ok

edgy arrow
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^that's certainly the biggest things

bright mango
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Normally dont have those on anyways

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for 32

edgy arrow
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smart probably

bronze viper
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And if you can manage to squeeze in 0 HL then it's all good in the hood

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(you can't though lol)

bright mango
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lmao im on hl5

edgy arrow
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face tank arthur best arthur

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i just facetanked arthur for 40 tbh

mossy zinc
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Damage Reduction gets better the higher HL is anyway lol.

edgy arrow
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that was HL5 FO2 but i was still basically facetanking

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it was a miracle it worked

mossy zinc
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You could do Ruthless Reflex + Eternal Rose start and just aim for Smoldering Air + Second Wind.

bronze viper
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Yeah I like that build

bright mango
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ruthless relfex?

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wut

bronze viper
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It feels cheesy, because it is, but it works better than I expected

edgy arrow
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i still refuse to believe ruthless is better for heat pushing in any circumstance

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except maybe gilgamesh

bronze viper
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Lmao, don't summon the ghost of Sergiy Oversky, Lord of all Ruthless Reflex Arthur builds.

edgy arrow
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if you know what you're doing, maybe its easier/faster, but if you're just tryna get a clear there's no way its better than more iframes

edgy arrow
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be neat if there were more arthur experts around lol

bronze viper
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Nah, I meant that while he was active, Ruthless Reflexes couldn't be mentioned anywhere without going into a 10 page bad english rant/diatribe about the magic of "secret builds"

edgy arrow
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i do vaguely recall such rants lol

mossy zinc
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80% Dodge (50% from Ruthless + 30% minimum from Second Wind), 30% DR from Weak, 40% DR from Hallowed Ground. That's 10.4x eHP. You go from the 150 HP you start with to effectively 1,562 HP with those buffs on alone.

edgy arrow
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um

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are you treating ruthless as having 100% up time

mossy zinc
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with those buffs on

edgy arrow
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i'll accept that for second wind with smoldering

bronze viper
edgy arrow
#

i'll even accept for weak

mossy zinc
#

Like bruh why do I need to spell that out every single time for people. 🙄

edgy arrow
#

okay sure, but that kind of math doesn't really have useful results unless you can estimate how often you've actually got those buffs up

bronze viper
#

It's actually pretty close to 100% after the first Smoldering Air kicks in

#

Once you have 100% dodge basically any dash near enemies refreshes RR

bright mango
#

This feels like a cheese run

#

And I love it

edgy arrow
#

i mean, i'm pretty bad at making the most use of ruthless

#

so fair ig

bright mango
#

same

bronze viper
#

The run loses all cheese if you get Greatest Reflexes too, which is nice

mossy zinc
#

You don't need to proc Ruthless Reflex even half the time to get a ridiculous eHP pool, anyway.

#

Throw in Lambent Plume from Elysium on because why not.

edgy arrow
#

sure

bronze viper
#

Lambent Plume... Elysium... k

edgy arrow
#

but if you're not proccing ruthless that often, is it really worth it over +1 dash?

#

idk maybe

#

i should stop pretending i know anything about arthur or ruthless reflex tbh

bronze viper
#

Here's a test. Get Lightning Reflexes from Zeus, and see how often "NEAR MISS" comes up on your HUD

edgy arrow
#

ya'll are prolly right

bronze viper
#

It's... a lot

#

The Near Miss window is enormous

mossy zinc
edgy arrow
#

i did an experiment with that once

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got 50% permanent dodge with plume + zag fists and ran ruthless

#

it was like, good, but i would've preferred an extra dash

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but like i said that might just be because i've got a lot of practice with 2 dashes and basically none with ruthless

#

which is my loss ig

bronze viper
#

Lmao, I imagine Ruthless gets a lot better for the masochists who've practiced with RI3

mossy zinc
#

I used to play Zag Fists with Ruthless Reflex all the time.

#

What if it's not masochism but sadism.

edgy arrow
#

i tried to practice with RI4 but i got my 32s too fast so i didn't get much practice in

#

shields op

mossy zinc
#

You do RI4 high heat to make fun of people who do the same heat but are scared of RI4.

bronze viper
#

"Scared of RI4" is a bit unfair. It's like saying "I'm scared of putting my hand in a blender." It's not really fear as much as it is "I don't like having hand pate"

edgy arrow
#

hmm

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sounds like you're scared tbh

bronze viper
#

yeah for sure. RI4 mega spook

edgy arrow
#

(so am i)

#

its true

#

unless you're atticor ig

#

i think he forgot how to turn it off

mossy zinc
#

Why are there three Pengy's now lol whom do I ping.

edgy arrow
#

no

mossy zinc
#

Yes.

edgy arrow
#

Nyaanyaa

#

stop

mossy zinc
#

It's actually easy.

#

m not even joking.

edgy arrow
#

is that dash nova

#

help

mossy zinc
#

Dash Nova is great.

#

30% Damage Reduction.

edgy arrow
#

wait that's right you're a dash nova fan

#

forgot about that

bronze viper
#

I didn't realize Dash Nova granted Sturdy

#

Lol, I kind of low key miss the tilt-a-whirl that was Snap Nova

#

It made for great memes

mossy zinc
#

Snap Nova was so much fun.

#

The best part of it was the bugginess.

#

"How did I teleport here?"

bronze viper
#

Iirc it was "buffed" at the same time Chain Skewer was removed from Achilles. Apparently SGG didn't want their player base to be hurt in confusion

edgy arrow
#

honestly dash nova has warmed on me a bit recently

#

i gotta admit its kinda fun

#

i still think its bad tho

edgy arrow
#

that sounds absolutely hilarious

bronze viper
#

But Dash Nova was in September

lusty mirage
#

i like the idea of dash nova

tidal flame
mossy zinc
#

What?

#

You didn't like free random teleports?

quartz birch
#

Okay so this isn't technically High Heat stuff, but is late game- and I'm preeetty sure I already have the "best" method but just to be sure- is there a quicker way to farm darkness?

Currently I'm

  • Picking the Dark Thirst weapon and Shady companion
  • Taking chaos egg first and hoping for a gate, using re-roll tokens as much as I need to try and get the darkness + gemstone boost
  • Buying and choosing every darkness reward I come across
  • Buying tinge of Erebus, Light of Ixion for chaos gates, Trove Trackers for darkness troves, Night Spindle for more Bouldy uses wherever possible
  • If I finish tartarus and don't have at LEAST a chaos boon or the poseidon chamber reward buff, I'll throw myself to the lava fish and immediately check if the Broker has the darkness trade up
  • Otherwise I switch to the Magic Conch and try and get the various treasure boons or the fishing legendary boon (I ignore all fish now, it's just to increase the chances of Chaos realm fish spawning)

Then I just speedrun as quick as I can to kill hades and get those rewards

This method takes me on average 20 minutes, and nets on average 2000 darkness. At this rate, if I want to make it to "Unseen One" (and I do) it's gonna take me about 12 hours, or 110 runs 😫

Is there anything I'm missing? Would it be quicker to ignore all the meticulous tactics and just try to go full speedrun?

true fable
#

🤔

bronze viper
#

Tbh I haven't seen anyone attempt to optimize this since old Fated Authority/Persuasion

#

Afaik most people just... play

quartz birch
#

Yeah, I know it's kind of a niche quest. I've completed everything else but the resource director now, and because it's one of my favourite games I really like to challenge myself to completely 100% it, y'know?

shy plinth
#

My instinct would be to do 0 heat runs and clear really fast

bronze viper
#

Shrug, you seem to have a handle on the situation, though I suspect for as much process that is, you may as well just speedrun Eris and see what the Darkness/hour ends up being there

shy plinth
#

But 100 darkness/minute is still solid

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The technique players in this channel have is "play the game a lotttttt"

bronze viper
#

Luckily Eris already wants Poseidon

quartz birch
#

That's a good idea, I'll try some eris speedrunning and see how that affects it, thank you.

I just hope I get the right hammers because the amount of times it refuses to give me the Golden Three special buffs is CRUEL

bronze viper
#

Eh, Eris needs quite literally nothing to efficiently speed run lol.

#

You'll be fine :3

shy plinth
#

Zeus attack

#

But that's fairly easy to obtain

bronze viper
#

If you're farming Darkness I don't think it's that bad to start Poseidon to up your chances for Ocean's Bounty

mossy zinc
#

That's a good strategy. You can also pick up Tidal Dash fast that way.

quartz birch
#

Cool, will try that tonight! If nothing else I can try and beat my paltry 14 minute record xD

bronze viper
#

How much Darkness is the final badge?

#

total darkness*

quartz birch
#

12,000

shy plinth
#

Oh total?

#

325k purps

bronze viper
#

Oof, that's a number

quartz birch
#

For all of them combined, yah

shy plinth
#

It's the chaos victory screen theme plus three hundred thousand darkness

quartz birch
#

I've got about 219,000 left to go

#

:))

shy plinth
#

This feels like paying off a mortgage

quartz birch
#

It actually does lmao

#

brb manifesting an update which brings a darkness buff keepsake

bronze viper
#

Lol. I like the fact that they made ridiculous grind goals for people who've been playing the game for hundreds of hours

true fable
#

i got it like 700 hours deep lmao

#

1.0 player btw

bronze viper
#

I'm starting over from scratch in HM, who knows how long it'll take

quartz birch
#

I'm on 315 so far

shy plinth
#

1.0 yowza

quartz birch
#

but yeah I started from scratch with Switch

shy gulch
#

I’m still not at unseen one

#

like 500 hrs in

bronze viper
#

To be fair, the pre-1.0 heat meta made it very difficult to grind resources, since you always Gave Up to retain your seed

true fable
#

i hit unseen one before i hit sub 7 pp laff

quartz birch
#

I was in early access but when it came out for switch, I couldn't wait for cross saves any longer, so ended up getting further than my original save

shy gulch
#

LUL

quartz birch
#

Oh I also have about 18,000 darkness in my mirror, so I can withdraw that and I'll only have 201,000 to go :))

mossy zinc
#

I had a Heat WR before I finished both sides of the mirror. I feel like farming Darkness is not so important. You just need one side of the mirror for runs anyway, and as long as you're clearing Heat for bounties, the talents you have are evidently enough for doing that.

quartz birch
#

it definitely isn't, but now I've gotten everything else, I have an abundance of everything else and a hungerin for a darkenin

mossy zinc
bronze viper
#

What's sad is that @quartz birch wouldn't even have enough to finish Fated Authority pre-1.0 lmao

true fable
mossy zinc
#

lmao

true fable
#

could it be that i enjoy this game

quartz birch
#

No that couldn't be it

#

Impossible

mossy zinc
#

I know why, you're not dedicating enough of your life to watching Lady Aphrodite streams.

#

Smh.

quartz birch
#

ANYWAY better get back to grinding off this mortgage. What better way to stick it to your dad than to spend considerable amounts of time striving to achieve a completely arbitrary lofty goal he set you? x)

#

that'll learn him!

bronze viper
#

Is it just darkness or is it also a lot of the other metas too

rain sedge
#

Well repeating the same thing over and over again is basically speedrunning

quartz birch
#

It's the others too but I have all of them in abundance as a result of darkness farming

shy plinth
#

It's not much of the others

rain sedge
#

So you might as well try to get sub 8 Eris meanwhile

quartz birch
#

it's primarily darkness, but then like, 10 keys, 10 nectar, a titan's blood etc

shy plinth
#

100 keys 50 nectar 10 diamonds 10 ambrosia 10 blood

quartz birch
#

It follow this pattern

shy plinth
#

That's total over all the ranks so it's pretty insignificant

quartz birch
#

Darkness increases by 500 for each rank, until you hit the next "tier", then it drops by 1000

bronze viper
#

Nifty

rain sedge
#

You can also just cheat engine the darkness

halcyon flame
#

how would you guys compare getting the "Unseen One" badge to paying off your debt in animal crossing

rain sedge
#

Rather than idk

shy plinth
#

Oh unseen one takes way longer

rain sedge
#

Playing 120 hours on Eris anyheat

quartz birch
bronze viper
shy plinth
rain sedge
#

Can you imagine playing Eris repeatedly for over 100 hours

#

Yikes

#

Who would do that

bronze viper
#

Casuals

quartz birch
#

Well it's about to be me it seems

#

so YEET

mossy zinc
#

Inb4 new speedrun WR by HedgeWizardly while really just trying to get Darkness fast.

halcyon flame
#

sub 4:25 eris

gaunt fiber
#

Breaching skewer in Tartarus, miraculous charged skewer in Elysium. Timed out while Theseus was phasing. Guess what, having a boon on your special is kinda nice sometimes.

quartz birch
timid kindle
#

I think??

quartz birch
#

No, the chaos fish respawn thing is still affected by the chambers since last fish, but the legendary poseidon boon overrides that

#

It's the surface which is unaffected by the chambers since last

timid kindle
#

:0

#

w h o t

#

that's b u l l

#

grr

#

oki :c

#

I go try to do darkness run now

quartz birch
#

Good luck!!

solar maple
#

I don't even have all the contractor upgrades yet haha

stone basalt
#

I thought every time you enter a new biome the fish thing resets

solar maple
#

I've been playing since EA for about 500 hours

bright mango
#

500

#

crazy

solar maple
#

though I did make a new file for 1.0

rain sedge
#

you must have gems for days

true fable
#

pseudo i cannot wait to give you that red name when i verify your 50

solar maple
#

yeah I have plenty of gems

hardy linden
#

what's red name for

solar maple
#

I already have red name on the speedrunning discord

true fable
#

oh wht

solar maple
#

bablo gave it to me when he verified my terrible eris play I think

true fable
#

when did that happen

#

i see

#

dang

solar maple
#

oh I should submit the 50 I guess

true fable
#

well now i dont even wanna verify your 50

#

i think you did

solar maple
#

oh the 52

#

yeh

true fable
#

ah nvm

#

ok

solar maple
#

I was doing 50 speedrunns

true fable
#

gotcha

solar maple
#

got a 14:08, which is #3 so maybe I should submit

true fable
#

whadya end up with

#

oh

#

yeah submit that ish

solar maple
#

EM4 slow though

true fable
#

and water is wet

solar maple
#

EM4 JS2 CP2 lmao

true fable
#

o boi

#

hell mode?

solar maple
#

yeah

true fable
#

u crazy crazy

solar maple
#

I may try a shackle run with EM3 JS1 CP1

#

RI2 AP2

#

it just hurts that dad fight was 2:30

true fable
#

even maybe resetting for passion flare/flood flare first boon?

solar maple
#

nah

#

shackle is fine

true fable
#

how do you scale?

solar maple
#

you don't

#

🙂

true fable
#

poggers

#

sounds enjoyable

solar maple
#

save time in first two floors, skip elysium, then save time because no em4

#

is the plan

#

there is a key step in the middle there

true fable
#

skip elysium

solar maple
#

🙂

true fable
#

remember to cast twice when leaving lernie

quartz mantle
#

New speedrun strats entirely skip Elysium

true fable
#

to manifest early chaos

#

unova thats old speedrun strats

#

you know

#

skip elysium is the least dubious part of this plan

solar maple
#

nah

quartz mantle
#

Of course of course

solar maple
#

time save in tart + styx is likely I think

#

aspho will be maybe a bit slower

#

but still close

true fable
#

styx is iffy imo

solar maple
#

with no EM4?

#

should save time

true fable
#

ah you mean dad fight too

#

yeah probably then

solar maple
#

yeah counting dad

#

I want splits like 3 -> 6 -> 10 -> 12 -> 13

#

sub 3 tart with shackle doable IMO

#

I've done it with JS3 before

#

4 min elysium also doesn't seem like too much to ask for

#

realistically styx (no dad) should be faster than 2 mins on a 2 sack

#

1 min dad needs good luck though

true fable
#

1 min dad seems ambitious

#

do you remove shackle if you get a good cast

solar maple
#

depends

#

if I have charge shot no

true fable
#

hmm

#

interesting

solar maple
#

shackle charge shot is insane

#

1 shots everything

#

with fiery + shackle + cast load charge shot is like 300 damage

#

then you add in the casts

#

hopefully I can get enough boons for earring by elysium though

slow sable
solar maple
#

btw my opinion of snow burst has only gone up for high heat beo

#

I now thing it's better than mirage unless you have a very strong cast

#

the chill is so good for em4

#

snow burst isn't possible first boon without rolling, right?

#

because if it were that would be the best boon to seed/reset for I think

daring hedge
#

yeah, only cores are possible as true first boon choice

solar maple
#

rip to the seeded 60 heat beo dreams

#

if you could start snow burst I think it could be possible. Definitely not easy

solar maple
#

in a normal run it doesn't help at all

slow sable
#

ah got it

#

tbh I forgot about the whole seed thing

violet thistle
#

Thought I’d ask here, because this is probably the best place to ask: do the sisters each have different HP breaks?

true fable
#

yesh

#

dont recall the exact numbers but tis has the most Hp

rain sedge
#

I think he means invul phases?

violet thistle
rain sedge
#

idk why this channel is the best place to ask, but yeah, tis breaks every 1/3 HP

violet thistle
rain sedge
#

It's well documented in the wiki if you want to check it out in more details

#

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Furies

Hades Wiki
Furies

The Furies (sometimes referred to as the Erinyes) are the boss encounter for Tartarus, as well as the first boss encountered in every run of Hades. They are always encountered at Chamber 14, the final Chamber of Tartarus. Initially when encountered, only Megaera will oppose Zagreus. After enough runs have been attempted, eventually her sisters, ...

true fable
#

i mean

#

since they have different HP

rain sedge
#

Tis has most HP? huh

true fable
#

their invuln phases are in different places

rain sedge
#

I always liked her most

gaunt fiber
#

Tis good Meg bad

rain sedge
#

imagine being zagreus

#

and romancing meg instead of alecto

true fable
#

kinda cringe tbh

rain sedge
#

^

violet thistle
rain sedge
#

yeah, usually specific infos etc are well documented in the wiki

timid kindle
gaunt fiber
#

I still prefer Alecto

#

Meg just kills me

rain sedge
#

me too

#

meg's whip AOE is unnaturally huge

gaunt fiber
#

But I've got a bit better

#

Tyler suggested battie tho

#

I tried and ruined my epic divine flourish run

#

I cried a bit and went back to Antos

true fable
#

messes with empty dash timing hella

gaunt fiber
#

Sometimes you get hit out of nowhere

#

infinite whip range

#

like weird perspective

rain sedge
#

ah good to know that it's not my fault when I get hit randomly by meg

#

also fist 50 is much harder than I thought

#

I'm very sad

gaunt fiber
#

Seems rough

rain sedge
#

closest I got was heroes

#

I would've gotten that if not for TD3

#

I think I havent decided if I want to go lambent plume + zag fist strat, or demeter strat

#

and whether I want RI1 or AP2

gaunt fiber
#

Just do both mate

solar maple
#

just did 3 quick trial runs of the RI2 AP2 shackle beo. Very consistent in tart, but aspho is rough, so pretty much expected

#

my 3 tart splits were 3:00 3:13 and 3:04

gaunt fiber
#

Aspho is so hard

solar maple
#

aspho room rng is sooo big for time

rain sedge
#

if I do 49 heat I can keep RI0 and AP1

#

but

#

49 is not a good number

bronze viper
#

shrug my recent 50 was really 49 + PL

daring hedge
#

lol

bronze viper
#

I've already forgetten the joy of playing with CP0

#

Where everything kind of just dies when you want it to

#

Instead of when you want it to + 1 full Rama power shot to make sure its dead

daring hedge
#

yeah i've kind of gotten used to it

#

not that it's enjoyable but

#

always there now

true fable
#

yeah

#

and sometimes you powershot for 3 total damage

#

like tailesque

bronze viper
#

You have to show those numbskulls who's boss

#

Fun fact though that full damage is calculated on blue hearts, so I have definitely intentionally fully charged power shots into blue hearted enemies to kill everything else I've tagged

true fable
#

yee

#

i do that sometimes too

#

then wonder

#

why i didnt just special that target too

bronze viper
#

Oh for sure it's almost always a mistake

true fable
#

sometimes youre just committed

bronze viper
#

But when you start the charge, you have to finish the charge, it's a rule

spring kettle
#

Don’t you just love it when you crit for 3 whole damage?

daring hedge
#

1!

bronze viper
#

My lizard brain still enjoys the exclamation point and bold text

pseudo girder
#

getting a crit on fists be like

#

10!

timid kindle
#

bahhahahdsjksaf

wanton plover
#

i know nothing can trivialize em4, but which aspects struggle the least with it? im sure pos sword is one ya?

true fable
#

poseidon sword is still a sword

bronze viper
#

I don't know why Poseidon would be particularly good at it. I think shields, Hestia and Chiron are probably the easiest you're going to get

true fable
#

chiron, beo, hestia in particular

#

chaos can struggle with timer

#

zeus is pretty good but comes with the caveat of "knowing how to play zeus shield"

pseudo girder
#

My only run against Super Dad was with fists and no fancy upgrades

wanton plover
#

darn i saw retrash do em with poseidon he made it look easy

timid kindle
#

what does Zeus shield do again?

pseudo girder
timid kindle
#

also me over here beating 32 heat sword before even trying any other weapon just to preach it

#

I kinda wish there was a sword and shield

#

sword and shield sword and shield

#

jocat intensifies

wanton plover
#

zag shield is basically a sword

timid kindle
#

lol

shy gulch
#

retrash makes any aspect on EM4 look easy

#

pls do not emulate

#

a full build beowulf is considered to be the best aspect against EM4

pseudo girder
#

Zag shield = world splitter sword

#

basically

true fable
#

do not look to retrash for advice on which aspects are best for you

#

LOL

#

the man is a god on every weapon vs EM4 dad

shy gulch
#

^

#

PLS do not emulate

spring kettle
#

AP2 is optimal right, guys?

shy gulch
#

:^)

spring kettle
#

No choice = no dumb choices you can make

pseudo girder
#

Yeah, Beo is probably your best bet against EM4 Hades. It blocks a lot of attacks from him and does plenty AoE damage to get rid of those vases

#

ap2
ew

stinky

#

Does Strong Drink negate Lasting Consequences should you encounter a fountain?

spring kettle
#

no

pseudo girder
#

F

#

So the only sources of heals on LC4 are Cursed Slash and Guan Yu spin

spring kettle
#

also the fist healing hammer

pseudo girder
#

Who the frick uses Draining Upper?

#

:^)

fallow stream
fallow stream
true fable
#

it does

#

it's also stubborn roots

spring kettle
#

heals too slow to overcome tight deadline and Hades hits too hard anyway

true fable
#

^

fallow stream
#

I dunno... It has helped me overcome EM4 several times

#

It works well in tandem with touch of Styx dark. Keeps you full, and doesn't feel like you're waiting to regain health

#

Maybe I see more utility out of it because I use SD instead of DD

true fable
#

um

#

most of us here use SDs

rain sedge
#

"elo guardian"?

#

am I missing a speedrunning joke

shy gulch
#

i think its more useful with SD than DD for sure but its never a game changer

solar maple
#

beo good vs em4

shy gulch
#

if i get it i get it

solar maple
#

block + massive dps

bright mango
#

Holy crap I’m trying a 40 heat run for memes and I’m actually at hades rn

true fable
#

i guess elo guardian applies to high heat too huh

rain sedge
#

what is an elo guardian mr strimmer

bright mango
#

I did not think i would get this far

true fable
#

if you can beat me you're a "top" player

rain sedge
#

oh

#

I get it

#

so in high heat terms, it means have a clear at 50+, and all aspects at 40 to beat bright

#

gotcha gotcha, note taken

solar maple
#

lmao

true fable
#

:^)

solar maple
#

I still need to do spear + rail + bow

true fable
#

i kind of wanna do sword 50 now

solar maple
#

rail and bow 40 should be ez though

true fable
#

sord has been growing on me recently

rain sedge
#

I was doing quite well at fist

#

until a voidstone greatshield room spawns 🙂

true fable
#

nem has become more fun for some reason

solar maple
#

I tried hades spear 40 heat but I failed a few runs

#

I'm so bad at that aspect

true fable
#

i hated hades for 40

rain sedge
#

tail did a stream for hades 50 yesterday or something

true fable
#

my 40 heat hades spear experience partially informs my opinion of it now tbh

solar maple
#

I might just do an achilles cast build

true fable
#

why not

#

hunting blades still busted

#

arty start good

rain sedge
#

at 40 right?

solar maple
#

yeah at 40

rain sedge
#

yeah cast build works

#

I think I did zeus cast

bright mango
#

WTF I BEAT HIM

solar maple
#

nice!

bright mango
#

AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA

#

BRIDBDIDHPAJAOkiwpd

true fable
#

gz

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nice job pengy!

bright mango
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I’m shaking so hard rn

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This was supposed to be a meme

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Wtf

true fable
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lol

bright mango
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I was not supposed to win

solar maple
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that's how I felt about my first 50 heat clear

bright mango
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Lmao

solar maple
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I was just doing it because I didn't have time for a full 40 heat run

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so I was doing a quick 50 death

rain sedge
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congrats!

true fable
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pseudo i love how you went from 50 heat for the memes to beo heat WR in the span of 2 weeks

rain sedge
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screenshot victory screen here thanks

solar maple
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yeah post win screen!

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which aspect pengy?

bright mango
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Rama

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For some reason my switch isn’t connecting to my phone

true fable
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pain

rain sedge
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when I was playing on switch I always take photo of my switch screen

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xD

bronze viper
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😄 Grats Grats

spring kettle
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Hermes cup in like 15 minutes

rain sedge
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oh!

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who are playing?

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thanks for reminder

shy gulch
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some gamers are playing

rain sedge
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any gamers worth cheering for?

bright mango
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Got it

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Wooooo

rain sedge
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bright this is judgement day for you right?

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you'll know if you go to playoff or not based on their plays?

spring kettle
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Lets hope bright is still in and isn't like 9th place

true fable
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judgment day?

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ah yeah

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oh wow im elo guardian for hermes cup too lmao

rain sedge
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so 3 people was above you

shy gulch
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lmfao

rain sedge
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so you can have at most 3 people faster than you today yes?

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are there 3 gamers that can be possibly better than mr bright01?

true fable
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yah 3

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um

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hm

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cgull

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ello

shy gulch
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yeah and they're all named croven

bronze viper
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I don't think I'm allowed to play Hera anymore lmao. I won that run only because of 37 damage Dio's Call + Smoldering Air. I'm very irresponsible with bloodstones lol. MUST RETRIEVE.

bright mango
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I was so scared all of second phase because i knew i was 1 shot to a pot

true fable
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some other people could do it

shy gulch
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there are a lot of good players today, we'll just have to see

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bright's time is good but not unbeatable

rain sedge
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whoa ello is playing?? this is gonna be exciting

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croven you gonna play?

shy gulch
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yeah lol be sure to catch ello's

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nah i cant stream

rain sedge
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ah...

true fable
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shiitake could do it yeah

spring kettle
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watch them all get like sub-50

true fable
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ellos running mom pom achilles spear

rain sedge
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@solemn pulsar good luck on your run today!

solar maple
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ello running mom pom poseidon and zag bow I think

true fable
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will be a sight to behold

shy gulch
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mom pom achilles

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not poseidon

true fable
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not poseidon

solar maple
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oh did he switch to achilles?

shy gulch
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yeah

true fable
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yah

shy gulch
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he's truly gaming

solar maple
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neat

shy gulch
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its gonna be great

rain sedge
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achilless second weapon lmfao

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what a memer

spring kettle
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I think someone was loosely planning on running zag bow

solar maple
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not only achilles, mom pom achilles

true fable
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well

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its all eris start

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like first weap is mandated eris rail

rain sedge
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so what, he's gonna reset for flurry jab?

solar maple
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yeah same seed same wep first

rain sedge
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or nah

solar maple
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nah

rain sedge
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so. same seed.

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I don't like that

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what stops people from spending the last week running that seed and routing it

true fable
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why