I have a tip for 62 guy. With a Spear behind it.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
vital grove
daring hedge
Weekend is just easier for me to find time to do it but I could do certain weekdays too tbh
quartz mantle
Are there a lot of people who claim to have done 63 heat or something similar with no way of backing it up?
true fable
more tailesque strims are never a bad thing
solemn pulsar
more than we'd like, fewer than we'd fear
quartz mantle
I remember one guy who came in and said that on like his 3rd run he got 63 heat after he found “some glitch that let him keep all his coins between runs”
daring hedge
PENGY GOD GAMER
bright mango
POGGGGG
true fable
we need to get you to affiliate asap so i can get my sick tailesque channel emotes
daring hedge
Oh yeah yall need to help me brainstorm what those would even be
plush scaffold
barrel roll emote for sure
daring hedge
True
daring hedge
LOL
rain sedge
bright are you an affiliate yet?
vital grove
It has to be an anvil
rain sedge
since you're a successful strimmer
true fable
yee
vital grove
Anvil of hope
rain sedge
pog
true fable
affiliate is ez
quartz mantle
Anvil of gambling
quartz mantle
Partner you need like a lot of consistent viewers
gaunt fiber
75 iirc
quartz mantle
Over a 7 day period I believe
true fable
you need 75+ average viewers yeah
most hades strims cap out at 20-30
probably doesnt help that most of us dont do youtube content
quartz mantle
Yea YouTube content helps funnel people to your stream
bright mango
Yeah I normally dont watch twitch and youtube showed me haelian
daring hedge
Haha yeah who would put out YouTube content
bright mango
Then I watched his strims
true fable
i dont think its a coincidence that JP and hael are the two most popular and they do youtube
bright mango
Cough tailesque cough
plush scaffold
No wacky title, no twitch, no money 😮
bright mango
too chill
bright mango
No wacky title, no twitch, no money 😮
Im sensing a pattern here
gaunt fiber
No twitch but millions of views on yt
true fable
No wacky title, no twitch, no money 😮
lili you would do very well with a twitch, just sayin
your youtube videos do numbers with very little decor
plush scaffold
very little ^_^
bright mango
very
true fable
making your text guide into a youtube video is also pretty easy content
daring hedge
Asphodel thumbnails 😩
bright mango
lmao
true fable
all my thumbnails are barge lol
youtube algorithm chooses violence
every time
also i dont edit so thats on me
bright mango
laughs in switch
daring hedge
It's too bad switch doesn't have a dedicated screenshot button to take screenshots of 62+ heat runs 😔
So sad
true fable
so sad
bright mango
It's too bad switch doesn't have a dedicated screenshot button to take screensho...
lmao
bright mango
RANDOM DUDE WHERE ARE YOU
daring hedge
Instead the paltry 60 heat lives on
true fable
remember that person
gaunt fiber
We're at it again then
bright mango
the random dude
true fable
good times
daring hedge
Hoarding slash op
rain sedge
i dont think its a coincidence that JP and hael are the two most popular and the...
Who is JP
true fable
jawless paul
bright mango
You haven’t heard of him?
gaunt fiber
Me neither
bright mango
He does some hades content
bronze viper
:/ I lose a pretty upsetting number of runs/Athena DDs to solo phase 2 EM3 Theseus.
true fable
have you tried not standing in the bomb radii
bright mango
have you tried not standing in the bomb radii
great advice
bronze viper
I think the spin just happens way sooner than I expect and the spear chuck is later than I expect.
true fable
oh
i cant read
so fun fact ledger
the release for the spear chuck
is variable
i think it varies within a 0.5s window
its insane
designed to drive players mad
daring hedge
this explains so many Moments
bronze viper
... By a half second? Wow
rain sedge
hazard bomb me up amir
slender night
in the ares/artemis chamber which one should i choose?
daring hedge
hard to answer this with zero context
bronze viper
Now I feel less dumb for being so inconsistent deflecting it.
daring hedge
pick whichever one you think would be harder to deal with during the trial, first
shy plinth
Also ask yourself if you can deal with the emotional damage incurred by making artemis mad
daring hedge
or if you want to fill out a boon slot first
bronze viper
Or Athena second for a chance at DD refill
daring hedge
yes, mostly
rain sedge
always
shy plinth
My only hard and fast rules are to not pick athena first and not pick demeter second
daring hedge
sometimes her gimmick can eat time, though
daring hedge
but 95% of the time, absolutely
shy plinth
But also picking elysium trials is sus
bronze viper
Not always. Timers complicate things lol. Athena trials in Elysium can take forever
daring hedge
still worth it
rain sedge
taking trials in elysium at high heat is generally just asking for it tbh
unless you're a retrash and takes TD2
bronze viper
Lmao I'm a TD2 casual
daring hedge
it's asking to get savior speeder JS greatshields and regret your life decisions
rain sedge
I mean
athena and I no longer talk
everytime there's a trial it's always "iTs nOt PeRsOnAl" and out comes the chariot and greatshields
I'm done with elysium trials
it's one of those things that you do once or twice, and learned your lesson, and just skip
shy plinth
Remember back in 1.0 when you would get an elysium trial and it was 4 normal enemies
Those were the days
daring hedge
the scolding you get if you lose to them during the trial stings sometimes
like, on an otherwise great run
bronze viper
Lol I have not had such a negative experience with trials. Excluding 1.0 Tartarus infinite enemies.
shy plinth
Elysium trials hurt man
They did buff them, I don't know if you were playing that patch
daring hedge
yeah
rain sedge
he did say he play on TD2
which feels like an entirely different game
you can take non-free rooms to make optimal choices on TD2
hello speedrunners, does storm lightning actually do anything at all? other than qualifying you for splitting bolt?
perhaps master speedrunner @plush scaffold will know?
bronze viper
But yeah it's pretty standard issue to skip everything possible on TD3. Until I start grinding 55+ though I don't really see the point. I'd rather learn EM4
rain sedge
let me qualify it a bit more
I'm on 56, I get storm lightning AP2, should I roll? My rooms are JS3 rooms, so maybe the extra bounce do something?
what's the base bounce anyway?
true fable
the extra bounce doesnt really do anything ever tbh
daring hedge
storm lightning almost never actually does anything
true fable
even with JS3 the actual enemy spawn cap changes minimally
shy plinth
Storm lightning meets bolt prereq and then sells for UC
bronze viper
It would work if it also modded Chain Lightning's range
daring hedge
that would be neat
bronze viper
Lol it would function as described at the very least
Still be bad but actually have text
rain sedge
if it lets the lightning bounce to the same enemy twice it'll be neat
daring hedge
now we need a meme run with JS3 and pomming storm lightning as much as possible
rain sedge
that's just my typical AP2 run
bronze viper
High Voltage should grant chain lightning AoE range and storm lightning should grant bolts the capacity to chain :3
plush scaffold
perhaps master speedrunner <@!393134674718752770> will know?
Yep, storm lightning is mostly just a pre-requisite for Spitting Bolt
rain sedge
thanks lili 
btw
what brings you the high heat universe?
don't you usually preside on the speedrun universe?
plush scaffold
High heat is a lot of fun and very tough. I just spent too much time in speedruns, and lost the habit of actually avoiding stuff
gaunt fiber
yeah any heat brings some bad habits
like I tried to ignored some bloodless yesterday, well 18 damage when you have 40 hp is quite a lot
bronze viper
I came extremely close yesterday to refreshing a SD that did not exist in Asphodel.
daring hedge
the classic
shy plinth
ME Rama 👀
rain sedge
The best Rama build involves getting Ares attack and Athena Special+Dash for the duo Merciful End.
For hammer, you really want Repulse Shot.
Shoot enemies from afar. Don’t use your special since it’s quite bad.
bronze viper
Lolol this is spicy
shy plinth
Wait
daring hedge
LILI
shy plinth
gaunt fiber
^
shy plinth
I was baited until I read again and saw the repulse shot
true fable
KEKW
plush scaffold
❤️
rain sedge
builds-and-combat will endorse this build
imma link this build whenever someone ask about rama
and link my screenshot
this is grand
daring hedge
time to add ME rama to the 50 heat list alongside sea storm rama
daring hedge
yes
rain sedge
actually it's tailesque so I better not bet on anything
bronze viper
I've gotten ME once on Rama. At least it was in EA and you could get it from Divine Dash. Curse of Pain + Impending doom isn't even bad :3
true fable
i'd gift a few subs once he reaches affiliate if he does soaker 50 on strim
rain sedge
I think my highest soaker was 32
and it was super miserable
I was still bad back then tho
worse than now I mean
plush scaffold
@daring hedge That was a (mediocre) meme attempt to hopefully make you write an actual Rama guide
gaunt fiber
I love that edit
daring hedge
it made my day tbh
also if people actually want a rama guide i could totally write one
rain sedge
these are very spicy boons for AP2 runs
mmmhmmm
let's see if it's blue head lernie
whoa yikes
died to random stuff
idk what happened
can't believe I died with 3 divine dashes
gaunt fiber
I need to watch my Lernie deaths too
sometimes it just feels weird, like you're not feeling the hits
true fable
i think theres a lot of things about rama that are tough to word
gameplay wise
that being said, i think you should try tail
plush scaffold
That would be great indeed. Eris so more skilled and people already made guides for it
solar maple
I tried a few 61 heat rama runs to see what tailesque would be up against
my pb so far is timing out in fury fight
hardy linden
not too bad you lasted through the whole tartarus
solar maple
yeah I'm pretty happy with it lmao
I thought I was dead for sure to the cloner tanky witch room
maybe I should try something more realistic, in the low 50s
true fable
are you branching out pseudo?
also can you please pick up a color name
seeing pseudo white name kills me a little every time
solar maple
I lost my white name on the speedrunning discord 😦
rain sedge
remember the time I said
if you can do 50 heat on one aspect, you can do 40 heat on most aspects easily?
thanks for proving me right pseudo, appreciate it ❤️
gaunt fiber
I don't know Schad
rain sedge
I'm willing to bet you'll do about half of the aspects at 40 in like, 3 tries max
gaunt fiber
A boyo of mine cleared Hestia 50 with 350 tries
with like almost no experience in high heat higher than 32
rain sedge
I mean, that's good
gaunt fiber
I think he's lacking too much in terms of fundamentals
but he got quite good at Hestia ngl
I don't think he'd clear sword spear or fist easily at 40
His approach is really weird
solar maple
I still think 40 fists would be hard for me haha
the others not so much
first try 40 nem was a confidence boost for sure
rain sedge
it's fine, last time I tried to argue about this I got called elitist 😦
rain sedge
first try 40 nem was a confidence boost for sure
point = proven btw, nemesis was top 4 hardest aspect for my 40
gaunt fiber
lmao
solar maple
my main problem with high heat rama is aiming the special on kbm is hard
and I don't understand how the bouncing works at all
fallow stream
I can't play this game kbm. Can't play most games kbm actually
hardy linden
it bounces around. you pray it hits
fallow stream
I feel too disconnected from the experience
shy gulch
nemesis was one of the easier 40s for me actually
gaunt fiber
but you're a pog frog
shy gulch
much easier than poseidon sword, which was my first attempt
solar maple
also I got really lucky
shy gulch
i am indeed a pog frog
solar maple
like Dedge +3 dashes lucky
gaunt fiber
I did not remember my pose 40, just checked it
Fully loaded lightning rod splitting bot
gaunt fiber
40 Arthur I want to forget
shy gulch
lose the mouse, its very easy on kb only
hardy linden
how....
gaunt fiber
The curse remains...
hardy linden
I can't comprehend the audacity of this
flat flicker
this is such a strange cocnept - i've only ever done consoles and some Starcraft, and i'm old, how does one adapt to the keyboard or is it too late for me haha
solar maple
alright I'll try fist 40
what is a good pact for fists?
and do I go ME or just zeus attack. Or some athena attack nonsense
solar maple
nnoooo
I had a really good start but I just noticed I forgot to switch to SDs lmao
LC4 DDs here we go
rain sedge
what is a good pact for fists?
DC2, eris attack, call it a day
FO1 makes sense if you find it hard
but you shouldn't
solar maple
"eris attack"
solar maple
nah I'm used to FO2
rain sedge
the 2 concepts are too tightly coupled in my mind
solar maple
I do FO2 fists for speedruns
bright mango
Eris attack lmao
solar maple
dio beo too punishing to miss with so FO1 for that
I'm mad though, I got athena attack+call in tart
dash*
not attck
true fable
i think divine strike is still the best
or divine dash start and then take arty special or ares attack, whichever comes first
true fable
that looks fine
shy gulch
seems straightforward
solar maple
I do love that my spear heat pb on my main save is 10
which is low even for speedruns
true fable
i think the game feels more fun to me when i have a broken ass 20 boon build instead of stumbling across with 5 boons
solar maple
CF1 really not so bad when you sell a boon every biome anyway
And if I really need to I can skip a shop for good boons
since JS0 timer is free
even with like a 4 sack
rain sedge
unsure about that HS over CF2/JS1
on fists those lava blows
but bright's point is better, I'm just used to CF2
zeus attack would handle JS decently
solemn pulsar
just get sure footing duh
solar maple
as someone who just paused a massive room full of witches, get out of here with your JS
solar maple
HS is a time save in asphodel 
serene badger
For some reason the difference between no JS and JS1 feels like nothing, but the difference between JS1 and JS2 feels huge
To me at least
Maybe I'm just dumb
solar maple
never tempt the fates lmao
I'm actually kind of close to timer
after a 5 sack
I really did almost time out
super slow elysium with -1 free room (skipped mid shop) so I already wasn't too ahead on time
shy gulch
doing TD3 with a 5 sack is p impressive tbh
shy gulch
whats a boon
solar maple
I guess I actually have gotten much better at the game since last time I was doing high heat
4hp at the end of lernie fight was scary though haha
I did the scared meg on last phase
solar maple
hardest fight of the run for sure
EM3 was a bit tricky, but since I had tooth and was planning on switching to acorn I could sort of just damage race
and athena dash blocks everything anyway
shy gulch
did u start athena or zeus
mossy zinc
on fists those lava blows
Lol stop dashing on magma. 
shy gulch
yeah game better dweeb
rain sedge
Thanks for proving my point pseudo
bright mango
Lol stop dashing on magma. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
Easy dubs
shy gulch
boutta tank thirty high heat runs in a row now just so schad cant say "thanks for proving my point"
(i joke)
bronze viper
Eh that number slowly increases. Soon you'll be like Tailesque, streaking at 50 like it's nothing.
quasi quarry
Em4 Hades? How
I beat it once using doom stacking on attack and exit wounds+poseidon sword but have not been able to replicate it since that first try.
neat sonnet
Just reading the words streaking at 50 make me quiver with fear at the absolute skill of those above me
bronze viper
Lol, I was being hyperbolic, there aren't many people who can streak 50. Low single digits
But same concept applies. The heat at which you think "wow I need to get lucky to do this" goes up as you get better
rain sedge
There's like 4 people who can streak 50
But even then you'll be subject of RNG, there's no way to make 50 really consistent
shy gulch
yeah streaking 50 sounds very difficult for anyone
bronze viper
Ayyy, I'm back in the club :3
quartz mantle
Pog!
daring hedge
ledger i don't know how on earth i inspired a special rama build out of you
but more importantly congrats!
bronze viper
You're always going on about how special builds are great. Down with the Shared Suffering bourgeoisie
daring hedge
lmao
true fable
ayyyy nice job ledger
welcome back
now its time for you two to get me to the rama 50 club
:3
bronze viper
You see, what I did was see a great attack hammer in Room 1, then opt to take Relentless Volley instead
- ? = Profit
I suppose next step would be to actually learn EM4? That would be an """"""""""easy"""""""""" 54 heat setup.
wanton plover
its hardly worth the 1 heat
bronze viper
Lol, are you asking if you're allowed to or can you?
bright mango
Can i?
bronze viper
You're capable, yes
shy gulch
you cant turn on hell mode on an already created save
bright mango
Ok
shy gulch
there should be a maxed hell mode save file on speedrun.com tho
and i dont think PL is free at all until higher heat when ur gonna take things like JS1 CP1 anyways
PL by itself isnt 'free', it can get dangerous in some situations
bronze viper
People underestimate PL
bright mango
The only time I can think of pl being dangerous is em3 minotaur beyblade move
That’s scary
bronze viper
You don't realize it's gone until you have to fight Cloner Brimstones or Witches lol. Or snakestones ugh
bright mango
I normally have bp2 on but it’s probably harder at 40-60 heat
I tried one eris 40 and died to heroes
Clones are scary
shy gulch
BP2 is one of those must haves at that high of a heat
you cant really do without it, its just too much heat
bronze viper
FO2 used to be that way until EM4 was released lmao
Now it's a lot more optional than it used to be...
bronze viper
It is, yeah, but I pretty heavily discourage people from attempting to learn EM4 if you're used to already having FO2 up all the time. One has to be off until the training wheels come off
bronze viper
I'm really good at not getting hit until the first 10 seconds when my Acorn dies
shy gulch
LOL mood
solar maple
experimenting with the limits of beowulf https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/811816008862924810/Screen_Shot_2021-02-17_at_8.25.38_PM.png
I died to lernie lmao
solar maple
just fight superdad for your first time doing em4 LUL its ez
you joke, but super dad was like my ~3rd em4 victory
actually maybe 5th
I did a few 40 heat runs
if EM4 is worth doing, it's worth overdoing
edgy arrow
woah
58 big number
wait what pact would that even be
57 would be AP1 RI2
58 is RI2... no CF?
ripe crane
I suppose next step would be to actually learn EM4? That would be an """"""""""...
AP2 TD3 CP0 instead?
bronze viper
Can't do CP0, and I personally find it difficult to enjoy the game with AP2
ripe crane
Oh right, hell mode. Well, JS2 CP1 then
solar maple
that pact was RI2 DC0 all else maxed
ripe crane
Just put on shackle and enjoy your end-game build in room 1
bronze viper
Hmm, I'll consider which route to take for 51+ I suppose after I need another break from 24x40.
young moat
Is there an objectively best companion for higher heat or no?
solar maple
for very high heat meg and antos are what most people take
antos is mostly for when the fury fight is hard
wanton plover
well meg is for certain very popular. but i do not believe that its objectively best
just use your favorite and if it doesn’t work then switch around
solar maple
bouldy is good up to when you take LC4 (so around low 30s), then it's pretty bad
the gold it gives makes it still ok though
edgy arrow
i think like 90% of people use meg
young moat
Oh, I'll need to try antos. I use meg every time
edgy arrow
but antos is certainly used as well yeah
solar maple
meg is the default for sure
young moat
I was discussing the pros over mort and wasn't confident I was right about the speed on meg
solar maple
With DC they are definitely closer because lots of the meg setups get awkward
witch meg for example
young moat
But if you can nail the angle right, it's still better?
edgy arrow
yeah
edgy arrow
oh neat thanks
solar maple
I get it ~90% of the time
wanton plover
thats a huge screen
edgy arrow
more screen = more win
young moat
That's great 😄 Thanks, fam
vital grove
I prefer Antos
Helps VS Furies, more damage VS hades
Only notably worse against EM3 since Meg always hits both and antos can but it's tricky
true fable
i just keep meg on since i switch between speed n high heat too frequently
itd be sad to choke a PB because i used antos
also ive gotten pretty good at impromptu megs
i can usually hit at least 3 bombers with DC2
solar maple
At the end of the day summons don't matter all that much in high heat imo
vital grove
I might be open to trying 50 Rama any tips for what to take pact wise? Ap2 is a given
I'd like to avoid CP
solar maple
is it ever worth it to force a god with AP2? I just did it looking for literally any of my open core slots (with a roll) and got burned. (I rolled holy shield into holy shield)
also I think RR is legit for super high heat beo
solar maple
I might be open to trying 50 Rama any tips for what to take pact wise? Ap2 is a ...
how fast are you with rama? TD2 no CP there is basically a fixed mirror (RI2, EM3)
if you can do TD3 you have a bunch more options
can also go the RI0 EM4 route if you are comfortable with that fight
solar maple
yeah I wouldn't go for it myself
btw I got to elysium for the first time on my 58 heat attempts
I'm really not sure AP2 is a given btw
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778725540643340312/811913243060207646/Screen_Shot_2021-02-18_at_2.51.37_AM.png is a reasonably rama pact if you can do TD3 I think (keep in mind, I've never won a high heat rama attempt, so take everything I say with a healthy heap of salt)
can definitely swap TD and AP though (I tend to think TD2 is a scam. Could also cut some split of JS/CF/HS? not sure)
shy gulch
is it ever worth it to force a god with AP2? I just did it looking for literally...
p sure tail forces arty for his high heat clears
I assume he resets for attack or dash but prob ask him
solar maple
in tart or later?
shy gulch
tart
solar maple
I need my crutch though 😦
solar maple
I'm not sure the odds on it but I had a roll and was fine with attack/dash/call
maybe I just keep shackle on until I get an attack as well as a cast
I've updated my opinion on RR to: nice for bosses, but aspho wavemakers are even more evil
you slowly dash up to them, hit them with dash attack, then before you can finish a bull rush they are on the other side of the map sniping you
solar maple
with AP2 do you even really want to buy many boons?
solar maple
RI0 CP1 is also an option
solar maple
so you're thinking the pic I had +AP2 -CF -HS?
vital grove
Pretty much
solar maple
honestly could consider RI1 instead of CF0
vital grove
Not gonna see many boons so want to get what I can
solar maple
you start by "buying" two centaur hearts with RI1
and get 100 gold, and FF isn't small
vital grove
Hm, you're right there
And could start purse because ap2 anyway
Or do I need need shackle
solar maple
timer probably tight with purse start
vital grove
Yeah true
solar maple
with JS3 DC2
vital grove
Shackle is pretty big
solar maple
shackle is close to doubling your damage yeah
I would just take shackle until you roll into a decent attack boon
then go for a defensive keepsake
vital grove
Imagine rolling epic deadly or aphro
serene badger
If I can do 50 on hestia anyone can
halcyon flame
edgy arrow
did a couple of 45 attempts; no successes yet, but they went alright i think
this’ll definitely take some time but i think it’ll be less than what i spent on beo
serene badger
You don't like beo?
edgy arrow
You don't like beo?
i love beo
getting to 50 with it took me a good while tho
fingers crossed it’s easier the second time
honest kernel
what do ppl usually build with hestia? just aphro dmg
oh nvm I think I'm confusing hestia with uh Chiron
hestia is obvious to me
bronze viper
I think I need to submit 1 more Rama run so my most used weapon doesn't appear to be Chiron lol
bad for street cred now apparently
vital grove
Yeah shackle until (if) you get a decent attack boon
pseudo girder
arti attack rama
bronze viper
Pretty sure I can pull off 51 pretty "easily" if I do AP2 + shackle and go down to JS2/CP1. I may try that this evening so I can upgrade my club membership
wanton plover
i toss zeus cast and sometimes it lodges and sometimes it hits the enemy and flies off to nowhere. what exactly makes it lodge vs not lodge?
bronze viper
I assumed it was RNGsus
vital grove
Maybe it bounces to a set number of bounces
bronze viper
Nah, sometimes at arbitrary range if an enemy is by itself you can cast it and it'll just lodge. Sometimes it goes off into the void
edgy arrow
yeah it’s definitely not a set number of bounces
i don’t really like it because of how unpredictable it is, but it’s certainly a good cast so that’s more a reflection of my laziness than anything else
bronze viper
I don't have the 1000 IQ necessary to play Achilles + Zeus cast in Asphodel
edgy arrow
“hmm where is my cast”
“...oh it’s 6 miles out into the lava again”
solemn pulsar
better than phalanx shot
serene badger
What's wrong with phalanx shot?
wanton plover
ive been using that one. i like it a lot. i really really miss the juicy zeus bounce tho
rain sedge
just play lightning phalanx
bronze viper
So get the duo #ezpz
serene badger
^^
rain sedge
just high roll lul
serene badger
Or just use crystal beam with every cast build because it's cool
wanton plover
bronze viper
It's only cool once you get Glacial Glare
edgy arrow
man i remember when i used to play things like crystal beams and hunting blades and stuff
AP is cursed don’t use it
serene badger
AP1 is fine
edgy arrow
it really is not
serene badger
AP2 is no beuno
mossy zinc
I don't have the 1000 IQ necessary to play Achilles + Zeus cast in Asphodel
Just get Flurry Jab.
solemn pulsar
What's wrong with phalanx shot?
it yeets off into the distance more than any other cast. it's great but takes management in asphodel
serene badger
Asphodel is EZ though
edgy arrow
dracons tho
bronze viper
it yeets off into the distance more than any other cast. it's great but takes ma...
Lol, "more than any other cast". Looks at Electric Shot. Hmm.
edgy arrow
it’s actually better than losing your casts in certain places in elysium where they are literally irretrievable
mossy zinc
Asphodel isn't easy with JS3 Witches and Dracons. It's also just a matter how much time it takes because you'll need that time later on.
edgy arrow
^
bronze viper
I sweat bullets every time I go to Asphodel
serene badger
I always gain tons of time in Asphodel
bronze viper
I'm so glad that it's short now, especially because of the rollover timers
edgy arrow
yeah you gain time because it’s the shortest zone
bronze viper
JS3 Dracons are such... fun
edgy arrow
but you often have to gain time to clear elysium depending on the pacts you’re running, so it’s a matter of how much
serene badger
That much is true
edgy arrow
and even if you run a tight elysium, you don’t wanna get screwed by a 4 sack tiny vermin into superdad
more time is always better
serene badger
Doesn't change the fact that Ashodel is the easiest region though
bronze viper
I think Styx is a lot easier than Asphodel
edgy arrow
^
serene badger
Not with HS
mossy zinc
I want Divine Dash at high heat just for Asphodel and EM Asterius tbh.
serene badger
Love getting one tapped out of nowhere because a rat stepped on the trap
edgy arrow
at least that rat is on screen when it happens
bronze viper
But all of the traps have static location and are predictable in behavior. I die to traps pretty often in Styx too but nothing like the rate on BP2 Dracons or Speeder Wavemakers
edgy arrow
unlike wavemakers half the time
mossy zinc
And Divine Dash is great for Flame Wheels. It doesn't really help as much with anything else. Maybe the Dire Satyr.
It's great for Spreaders in Elysium, but the maps in Elysium make it pretty easy to avoid getting hit by those.
bronze viper
Flame wheels I find pretty manageable unless they're Speeder or Shifter
edgy arrow
dire satyr dies so fast idk if i’d notice whether i had divine dash or not
mossy zinc
Sure, but they're free with Divine Dash. It's usually not the Flame Wheels themselves that kill you, but they can do enough damage to put you in a tight spot.
edgy arrow
yeah that happened to me last run
couple flamewheels hit me then i got wiped by an elite chariot
bronze viper
My strategy is usually attempt to deflect the Dire Satyr's first attack, eat all 5 of them, kill him instantly, panic, dash to the nearest pool, and then go about my business
Luckily this all happens fast enough that I've only taken like 30 damage lol
edgy arrow
mental note: do not take both reduced dash distance and reduce speed curses coming into elysium
mossy zinc
I was just mostly highlighting that Asphodel isn't easy at all. It's a big part of the reason Divine Dash is valuable.
bronze viper
mental note: do not take both reduced dash distance and reduce speed curses comi...
The Havel's Armor strat.
mossy zinc
I don't take Divine Dash for Styx. If I wanted a dash for Styx, I'd just take Tidal Dash every time.
serene badger
I just barely die in Asphodel my reasoning is purely anecdotal
edgy arrow
literally every time i stack two chaos curses in elysium i regret it, but i just keep doing this to myself
bronze viper
I personally like Divine for normal Satyrs but yeah it's not necessary. There are some configurations of Lernie where if I don't have Divine Dash I feel like I have to go into a hyperbolic time chamber and grind out the math to figure out where in the f am I supposed to stand
edgy arrow
I just barely die in Asphodel my reasoning is purely anecdotal
i definitely die the least in asphodel, but that’s because it has the least rooms
like, per room idk what the breakdown would be
serene badger
It's not just the number of rooms the boss too
And it's definitely a lesser proportion room wise
I think I've only ever died in apshodel about 3 times
bronze viper
Lol, Lernie kills me more than EM3 or Dad, change my mind.
edgy arrow
I personally like Divine for normal Satyrs but yeah it's not necessary. There a...
pro strat: use a shield
serene badger
And one of those was when I stood in lava because I forgot I'd already used my SD
edgy arrow
Lol, Lernie kills me more than EM3 or Dad, change my mind.
yeah ofc
rain sedge
Lol, Lernie kills me more than EM3 or Dad, change my mind.
this is the life at high heat
edgy arrow
i think basically everyone pushing heat is killed by bosses an amount roughly equivalent to the order in which they appear
rain sedge
the only times I died to EM3 are when I got TD3ed
edgy arrow
i died to furies orders of magnitude more than i’ve died to superdad
doesn’t make superdad the easier fight tho
bronze viper
Yeah, pretty much the only things I die to in EM3 are timer or solo sword and spear Theseus because of hubris
rain sedge
I've gotten quite good at furies, I do die more on lernie than furies recently
edgy arrow
read: all the weapon except beowulf
bronze viper
i died to furies orders of magnitude more than i’ve died to superdad
I meant normal FO2 dad. No one is arguing that any content in this game is harder than superdad
rain sedge
the snake heads are a bit RNGish and makes reactions hard
edgy arrow
i mean, i don’t think lernie is that hard tbh
serene badger
Is Lernie really that hard?
bright mango
Lernie and the heroes are pretty hard for me
bronze viper
I mean it's subjective at the end of the day
serene badger
I've had way more issues with the furies that aren't tis and thesues and asterius
bright mango
I’m becoming more consistent on lernie recently
edgy arrow
i don’t think he’s trivial, but he’s definitely the boss i worry about the least most of the time
the reason folks die to him more than other bosses is because he comes first imo
bronze viper
Yeah, I think Lernie definitely rewards iteration and practice
serene badger
I literally beat Asphodel on my first ever visit to it
bronze viper
Mostly because of the beginning of the 3rd phase where you can't see all of the heads and have to be ready to react to stuff from off screen
serene badger
I've just always found it easier
edgy arrow
idk the lernie fight is one of the most fun for me so maybe i just enjoy it enough i don’t mind being killed lol
edgy arrow
I literally beat Asphodel on my first ever visit to it
i bet there weren’t any BP2 dracons tho
serene badger
There were not
bronze viper
Or maybe any Dracons at all lol. I think they were new to Blood Price iirc?
serene badger
But it's not like other regions don't have even more annoying BP2 enemies
edgy arrow
ehh, dracons are pretty up there
serene badger
I got the game reasonabley recently so they were almost definitely there
rain sedge
i mean, i don’t think lernie is *that* hard tbh
it's easier on beo than eris
edgy arrow
yeah that’s true
i think lots of beo play has definitely skewed my opinion of that fight
bronze viper
No other enemies in the game can just change their position like that, and vaguely cluster to defend each other.
rain sedge
Is Lernie really that hard?
on 50+ that's not hestia, yes .
playing 50 on hestia is a different game than playing 50 on other aspects
bronze viper
Shifter comes to mind but it's on a weird timer and they go to actually random locations. Dracons tend to cluster
edgy arrow
and dracons get it for free
serene badger
on 50+ that's not hestia, yes .
I've tried 50 on lots of weapons and Asphodel has never been the problem so far
rain sedge
Shifter comes to mind but it's on a weird timer and they go to actually random l...
speeder dracons ruined quite a decent number of runs for me
edgy arrow
i definitely lose the odd run to BP2 dracons now and again
bronze viper
Also sometimes Dracons spawn directly behind you since they don't use the same spawn animation and can just appear and then shotgun you lmao
edgy arrow
i think generally yeah, most runs are lost in tartarus, elysium or hades, but asphodel is far from trivial
edgy arrow
dracons always seek
serene badger
Oops
edgy arrow
that isn’t even BP
serene badger
Don't they seek more with the perk though?
vital grove
Yeah Speeder dracons are annoying
rain sedge
am I imagining it, but isnt seeking dracon far more accurate?
like they have lower curvature
edgy arrow
can dracons get seeker?
rain sedge
of seek
rain sedge
I'm recalling my experiences where I dodge the bullets, then it just follows me around all the time
but I might just be confusing it with speeders
bronze viper
Don't they seek more with the perk though?
Yeah lol. Seeker gorgon heads are pretty lol
mossy zinc
Dracons can't appear in Asphodel the first time. You need to defeat Lernie once or something like that for them to appear in future runs.
edgy arrow
yeah... i feel like there have been times where i’ve been particularly annoyed at the seeking aspect
edgy arrow
just somehow never clicked that it’s worse sometimes lol
rain sedge
there are some rooms where it's kinda fine, but other rooms where it's really hard
edgy arrow
use a shield
it’s the answer to everything
(it’s not i still die to witches all the time)
bronze viper
Old Chaos shield was so nice against projectiles lol
edgy arrow
ahh, remember back when you could get Master Chaos to play the game for you just by using their shield
simpler times
edgy arrow
it was actually stupid broken lol
bronze viper
Old chaos shield would just instantly destroy every projectile on the screen every time you used it
wanton plover
i think the record was like 57 back then
edgy arrow
people even used it for speedruns early on
bronze viper
WIth only some exaggeration
mossy zinc
(it’s not i still die to witches all the time)
edgy arrow
as a speedrunning weapon
mossy zinc
Is he dead? Did it work?
edgy arrow
i am deceased
edgy arrow
yeah i gotta watch that run
mossy zinc
what a flex
btw*
edgy arrow
turns out bablo good at the game
rain sedge
his qualifying run is actually on beo though
I mean, I notice a pattern
some people are good at their specialised aspect but have a huge gap to the other aspects
example: your eris boy who couldn't clear chiron 50 with heart rend chamber 8
edgy arrow
some people are good at their specialised aspect but have a huge gap to the othe...
i didn’t come here for personal attacks
rain sedge
some people like bablo/hadesprofessor seem to do 50 with every aspect seamlessly
edgy arrow
lol i think i lotta folks wouldn’t be able to clear chiron 50 even with chamber 1 heart rend
50 big number
rain sedge
i didn’t come here for personal attacks
soz I was gonna go with the self-deprecating joke 😦
bronze viper
Lol, I'm helping to give credence to @rain sedge's gatekeeping about 50 heat on 1 aspect vs. 40 on everything else.
mossy zinc
bablo started playing well after me and has like 5x as many runs or something probably lol.
rain sedge
Lol, I'm helping to give credence to <@!203931754501767168>'s gatekeeping about ...
ITS NOT GATEKEEPING
it's
edgy arrow
soz I was gonna go with the self-deprecating joke 😦
lol nah you’re good
it’s true tho
rain sedge
look pseudo proved me right ok
rain sedge
i need to diversify a bit
didnt you already do all the 40 heats
bronze viper
I'm pretty certain I can't at the moment get 50 on anything else other than Rama.
mossy zinc
50 is such a cute number.
rain sedge
or do you have the ugly aspects left? I can't remember
mossy zinc
Did you know that 50 is 2 less than 52? 
bronze viper
Daww, 50. UwU
edgy arrow
yeah still ugly aspects left
wanton plover
uwu
rain sedge
I'm pretty certain I can't at the moment get 50 on anything else other than Rama...
I think I can do 50 on hestia, but nothing else other than eris yeah
edgy arrow
i’ll get to them eventually i swear
rain sedge
what I was saying ledger
is that
anyone that can do 50
can clear most aspects at 40 easily
by most I mean 75%
mossy zinc
The other aspects are sword?
rain sedge
I mean there's things like gilgamesh that feels harder than eris 50 but that's an outlier
edgy arrow
The other aspects are sword?
this
bronze viper
lol I know, I'm just giving you a hard time. And I said I was helping to give you support for your claim since I'm going for 24x40 give or take a couple of swords
rain sedge
lol I know, I'm just giving you a hard time. And I said I was helping to give y...
you must be close, no?
have you even done gilgamesh
bronze viper
I have work and stuff
I've done gilgamesh on 32
But I didn't really do anything, I got early Merciful End
edgy arrow
that’s what i did for 32 as well
bronze viper
And for the next 10 minutes no neurons were fired
rain sedge
gilgamesh is like my top 5 most played weapon now because of how many resets it took to get ME to clear 40
edgy arrow
really wanna get gilga 40 without ME
rain sedge
really wanna get gilga 40 without ME
good luck XD
edgy arrow
i’ll need it lmao
rain sedge
just thunder dash into splitting bolt in tartarus like tail
wanton plover
merciful end hestia
bronze viper
Nemesis is like that for me from Blood Price lmao. I wanted to get 40 on each weapon. I probably spend 20x longer on Sword than the next highest, which was spear
rain sedge
merciful end hestia
not actually the worst tbh
bronze viper
(this was before Tailesque showed us the Truth of Hades. I did it on GY)
edgy arrow
Nemesis is like that for me from Blood Price lmao. I wanted to get 40 on each w...
why did you use nemesis
rain sedge
you just play it like a normal rail
rain sedge
nemesis 40 was fourth or third hardest for me
bronze viper
People really loved to talk up Nemesis at the time
edgy arrow
oh that was probably around the sub 4 routed nem run wasn’t it
bronze viper
It was one of the highest heat pushers too, until they got cough re-examined.
edgy arrow
yeah admittedly nem is still one of the highest heat pushers
wanton plover
i like zag sword :)
rain sedge
there's just so many risky things about the weapon at high heat, not even considering the fact that I can't seem to dash-strike consistently
rain sedge
if there's a button that does dash strike, it might be much easier for me
rain sedge
i like zag sword :)
flurry slash makes it enjoyable for me
the 15% ASPD is decent, and if you luck out into hermes ASPD it helps a lot
edgy arrow
and eris players tend to lack that
schad, my man
we gotta talk about this
you’re good at the game
bronze viper
if there's a button that does dash strike, it might be much easier for me
Do you play on Switch? If so I feel this. It is so fricken hard to dash strike on the Switch
rain sedge
Do you play on Switch? If so I feel this. It is so fricken hard to dash strike...
no, I moved to PC
it's just my bad timing
bronze viper
Or I should say, on joycons
rain sedge
I have trouble proccing maims too
hardy linden
man dash upper on controller aint easy too
rain sedge
dash-strike is also inconsistent for me
bronze viper
I have no trouble on Pro Controller, it's what I use even on PC
rain sedge
you’re good at the game
idk, I'm decent, but I think I need to do a few more 50s to call myself "good"
I want to see all weapons 50
bronze viper
You're already in the 1% of 1% lmao
hardy linden
yea lmao
bronze viper
All weapons 50 would put you in the top 3/4
rain sedge
and I'm not gonna be ashamed to seed flurry jab achilles for my spear
edgy arrow
you literally have a wr dude
bronze viper
which is like 3 tiers of 1%
edgy arrow
You're already in the 1% of 1% lmao
this
rain sedge
which is like 3 tiers of 1%
isn't it 2 tier
edgy arrow
see you’re so good we can’t even math it properly
rain sedge
I mean, I'm just aware of the skill gap between myself and others. Like I watched astaos stream on his GY 50, and realised it's about 10 times harder than eris
and when I watch retrash videos etc it's just... like we're playing a different game
idk
edgy arrow
wait did Astaos clear 50?
bronze viper
See, I had to come to terms with this too lmao when I used to be the Rama guy, then Tailesque just brutally obliterated me. I think we were both going for 51 at the same time, he obv beat me to that... then he kept going... and going...
Doesn't make me worse at the game. Typically there will always be better players than you in some context
rain sedge
wait did Astaos clear 50?
no. it was incredibly hard. I was brainstorming with him about what he can do, but I find it to be too hard for myself
idk, if he seeds charged skewer it might be doable
edgy arrow
ah
rain sedge
but going to lernie with 100 HP, which you'll be at 30% at, is just... so bad
lusty mirage
idk, if he seeds charged skewer it might be doable
or just tries long enough
edgy arrow
idk i’m sure he’ll get it eventually
rain sedge
like the lernie fight is quite random right
in terms of head placement and attacks
and with 30 hp that's no margin of error
bronze viper
There are moments where I think Tailesque taps into the Matrix to land perfect Rama shots on EM4 FO2. Like how what in the who where why
rain sedge
that's a couple slams from blue heads, a couple lava misstep, some random projectiles from spitting heads
rigid ember
I swear that the Lernie ground pound attack hits me like 90% of the time
rain sedge
and you're done
rain sedge
I swear that the Lernie ground pound attack hits me like 90% of the time
the blue head attack?
if not, the normal head has a pattern to it
bright mango
Lernie is just flat out scary
rigid ember
the thing is that I know that I can dodge it, I just get hit anyway 😛
bright mango
If it weren’t for the em2 arena it might be more bearable
lusty mirage
one head slam does like 32 dmg with the extra heat dmg
edgy arrow
i still don’t know the head colour codes for lernie lol
rain sedge
it's the EM2 arena and HS that kills me
rigid ember
HS!?
edgy arrow
all i’ve learned is most heads = fine
blue head = DANGER
rain sedge
idk, now that I've gotten more HS practice, HS really only makes a difference in 2 places
bronze viper
Oh, interesting, you read the bull heads as blue? I see it as white
Is the Lernie white and gold or blue and black
rain sedge
Is the Lernie white and gold or blue and black
I was literally gonna say this lmfao
rigid ember
HS also matters in the hades fight
rain sedge
HS also matters in the hades fight
I think unless it's EM4, with enough practice you just won't get urned
bright mango
HS pots
edgy arrow
the urns are mostly easy to dodge
edgy arrow
but it’s pure pain when they one shot you
rain sedge
I mean there are situations where you can get unlucky with the urn + laser combo
edgy arrow
even if it’s just once in ten runs
rain sedge
but I honestly can't remember the last time I get urned
but I also play a ranged weapon. at melee it might make more difference
bronze viper
EM4 urns are... special lol. They never stop spawning
bright mango
I just dash thru the pots while hades is attacking
Kill them with the dash
But again with em4 that doesn’t work lol
edgy arrow
i think i die more often trying to evade them than directly to them lol
edgy arrow
150 damage urns means eating basically any other attack is better
rain sedge
on eris I can just shoot the urns + target with special
on a lot of weapons you can't do that
so HS would be harder, yeah
mossy zinc
I-framing a 20-damage Skull shockwave by dashing into a 150-damage urn.
rain sedge
does the block stops the urn damage?
edgy arrow
i haven’t braved EM4 with fists yet lol
mossy zinc
I made one Maxy practice save with Demeter Aspect and was like lol nope after 3 tries.
edgy arrow
mostly it’s just that you can bullrush through them
rain sedge
hmm, that will help a lot yea
bright mango
I-framing is basically if I for example dash through a skull shockwave right?
bright mango
Why do people try to dash away from them
rain sedge
I wouldn't know, I can count the number of times I blocked on a shield
bright mango
It’s easier to dash through them right?
mossy zinc
I-framing is using invincible frames to avoid damage of any kind, yeah.
Dash away from what?
rain sedge
- yes 2) people dont? or at least I don't 3) yes...? situational
rain sedge
im gonna try aph cast poseidon sword
it's not that bad
mossy zinc
The skull shockwaves? You wanna dash towards them, yeah. Unless you can dash away to get beyond their range, then that's fine, too.
bright mango
Dash away from what?
Shockwaves
edgy arrow
Why do people try to dash away from them
if you’re really skilled you can eat the same shockwave twice
maybe even three times
rain sedge
I liked it on 30-ish heat, because you don't have to pick up your cast from random places
mossy zinc
if you’re *really* skilled you can eat the same shockwave twice
Happens to me with MM Skullcrusher if it's chilled x10.
I'll just refrain from chilling that thing in the future.
edgy arrow
chill lowkey kinda annoying
mossy zinc
It's so awkward. It falls down so slow, and then the shockwave moves so slow.
bright mango
That’s why I don’t bother killing the skulls because i know i can dodge them
edgy arrow
killing the skulls is just annoying anyway
bright mango
Unless if hades is in transition phase
bright mango
Or darkness
edgy arrow
yeah
bright mango
I run around frantically trying to kill the skulls in darkness
rain sedge
there's just a lot of "surprise" shockwaves that puts me in an awkward place
mossy zinc
Ignoring the skulls is a good way to get stunned and hit by sweeps or Boiling Blood at higher heats.
edgy arrow
ignoring them and not killing them isn’t the same thing
mossy zinc
"I'll just ignore the skulls, it's fine. Oh now there's 5 of them, and urns everywhere, and now he's coming for the sweep."
bright mango
same
bronze viper
maybe even three times
I am not this powerful. I bow down to your skills
rain sedge
how hard is 50 rama if you're bad with powershotting?
edgy arrow
i’ve never been hit three times
but i think it’s possible
just need enough dashes
#lifegoals
bronze viper
how hard is 50 rama if you're bad with powershotting?
Pretty hard? I guess you could just get good and get Thunder Flourish + Splitting Bolt in Asphodel or something and not have to worry about it. But otherwise you're going to need it
mossy zinc
Getting hit three times by the same shockwave sounds like something @tidal flame would have done.
rain sedge
I see. I'll give it a couple tries, I wanna get all weapons 50
or
I can do 50 rama just with special
bronze viper
Unless I am gunning for a specific duo I go God's Pride
rain sedge
oh god that'll be so funny
rain sedge
indeed
edgy arrow
that’s how i played rama when i first unlocked it
mossy zinc
So do you guys prefer epic or shiny talent?
False dichotomy. Where is the RI4 option?
rain sedge
the best 40 heat rama setup is only using special, after all
this must translate to 50 heat!!
edgy arrow
me “just use only special, it’s like rail but better!”
edgy arrow
idk how i came to these conclusions
rain sedge
me “just use only special, it’s like rail but better!”
huh. it actually might be better than zag rail
mossy zinc
Day 1 Rama with Swift Flourish was broken and hilarious.
mossy zinc
But Spread Fire is Zag Rail.
mossy zinc
If you ignore Spread Fire, Zag Rail literally ceases to exist.
vital grove
Yeah ramarail