h1-high-heat-strategies

[rain sedge]

it's row 98 on the sheet

[agile obsidian]

Did to heroes

Fo2 minotaur hl5 is scary

[sly remnant]

cow scary

[agile obsidian]

Got minotaur down to low health but he killed me with his shockwave thingy

[vital grove]

Hl5 Fo2 Asterius is legit

You have to read him and react

And there's not much margin for error

[agile obsidian]

Yeah

40 might be a stretch for me

Happy how far I got tho

[vital grove]

It's not

You can do it.

Just might take a few attempts

So what pact would you take for a chiron 48?

[rain sedge]

RI0 EM3 AP1 JS2 CP1, rest full

[gaunt fiber]

CP1 JS2 DC2 Chiron

well

[sly remnant]

i do not think chiron is a DC weapon

[gaunt fiber]

I'd embrace AP2

[sly remnant]

i'm with astaos

[agile obsidian]

I actually might get 32 with all weapons

Just got a 32 hades spear clear

[rain sedge]

it's on 48 sir, DC is unavoidable

I dislike gambling with AP2

[sly remnant]

its chiron

you have to do weird stuff

a lot of weapons get real weird at high heat

[mossy zinc]

You can entirely avoid DC at 48.

I'd rather take RI and AP on Chiron.

[sly remnant]

100% agree

[vital grove]

What's better to take tho

RI1 or AP2?

[sly remnant]

chiron pact is something like

HL5 LC4 EM3 JS1 CP1 BP2 MM UC HS FO2 RI2 AP2 TD3

i might be off by one or two points

[gaunt fiber]

AP2 imo

[rain sedge]

Barrel roll me with it then tyler

Also I believe today is fox stream day

With fox and cat cam

I'm so excited

[sly remnant]

if i wanted to fall asleep there are way more effective ways to do it then play chiron

[true fable]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

I can't see one

[rain sedge]

r00d

!badbot

tbh accurate, there's no finesse to it

to think it used to be my second favourite weapon

[gaunt fiber]

I really liked the aspect as I was starting to play

[rain sedge]

now I only play very big brain aspects like Eris

[sly remnant]

its a good aspect for beginners because it lets them focus on the fundamentals of the game

[rain sedge]

before I play Eris I have to warm up with playing chess vs grandmaster bots, otherwise my brain hurts from thinking too much

[sly remnant]

lmfao schad

[gaunt fiber]

What a man of culture

[halcyon flame]

i don't like bp2

and tartarus has permanently scarred me for it

never will i forget my encounter with cloner speedster witches and having to try to kill then all with aspect of achilles

[subtle hearth]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[wanton plover]

perfect room to reset 😎

[halcyon flame]

the game really likes to throw witched at you when you're in tartarus at high heat

i've gotten several witch encounters in tartarus on 32 heat and none of them went swimmingly

[tidal flame]

You know what we are missing?

We are missing trap rooms

Like rooms full of traps and no enemies. Get to the other side to escape

[static jacinth]

I'm not sure why Middle Management is worth 2 heat, it's super easy

outside of maybe the giant medusa head + stone head

[gaunt fiber]

That would be a fun mod Fox

[agile obsidian]

I decided not to buy the flame wheel repellent in elysium and the game took that personally and for the next four chambers all i got were flame wheels

[dire steppe]

honestly HS should be 2 and MM 1

[static jacinth]

agreed

[spring kettle]

Only thing MM actually makes harder is the dire skullcrusher miniboss

The rest it just takes longer to kill

[waxen relic]

Styx Minibosses are actually kinda dangerous in Mirrorless Runs

[sly remnant]

Big rat scary

[waxen relic]

exactly

[agile obsidian]

With meg its not that bad in my opinion(Or if yo're using an aoe weapon)

[waxen relic]

If i have SD i can tank a bit and remove all the poison pools once by dieing. When i do not have that i really wanna stay healthy which means tiptoing around

[mossy zinc]

Meg barely even tickles CP2 MM minibosses in Styx.

[agile obsidian]

My bad I’ve not used cp that much

[sly remnant]

tbf not many summons do anything against cp2 styx minibosses

[mossy zinc]

None of them really do.

Meg and Than still have good AOE though to hit adds.

[gaunt fiber]

Antos best ant

[rain sedge]

quick question for you high heaters

how big is antos' AOE, and is it viable to attempt to stack theseus and asterius together for 6000 total damage?

[waxen relic]

I think i'm not a high heater by your standard, but first off: with EM3 and FO2?

[rain sedge]

yeah 56

I have to take antos because furies fight often gets hairy for me

[waxen relic]

For me it's not beneficial for the fight to try and get a double hit.

[rain sedge]

you think it just makes you take unnecessary damage?

[waxen relic]

And the second i don't know how

yeah

Em3 is hard enough

Generally using Antos to shorten Phase 2 of Asterius personally

[mossy zinc]

AOE is very small. If you want to get a double-hit, you'll want to do it when Theseus is talking to the crowd or after Theseus phases.

[rain sedge]

ugh, that's quite ugly

[mossy zinc]

But it's more something I do when the opportunity presents itself than something I try to make happen.

[gaunt fiber]

It's not very relevant

[rain sedge]

and you're always on melee since you're a malphon player

alright sigh

[gaunt fiber]

So I use it to shorten pain/ iframe

[rain sedge]

follow up: speedrunners dash to where midboss will spawn, and spawn meg on top of them

[true fable]

i try for it when theseus is summoning but by then asterius is usually dead anyway

[rain sedge]

does that work with antos?

[rain sedge]

what do you mean?

[waxen relic]

Antos just hit the nearest enemy after the i-frame

[mossy zinc]

You can just summon Antos immediately, yeah.

[gaunt fiber]

I'm no trying to use the aoe Schad. I'm using it either to finish off Asterius or to burst down phasing Theseus

[mossy zinc]

I've played Guan Yu way more this patch than Malphon lol.

[rain sedge]

I see, thanks

[gaunt fiber]

Sneak is a nice Antos

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[sly remnant]

question

[mossy zinc]

No.

[sly remnant]

do yall skip summon on witches?

[rain sedge]

I'm bad so yes

[mossy zinc]

No more questions. 🔫

[gaunt fiber]

I don't summon on witches

[rain sedge]

if I knew how, probably

but I don't, so no

[sly remnant]

the 4 witch meg

is actually p easy once you learn it

[rain sedge]

erebus gates: are the enemy difficulty fixed per biome, or is ot room dependent?

that is: is room 11 erebus worse than room 1?

[gaunt fiber]

Never bothered to

[waxen relic]

We were talking about Antos tyler

[sly remnant]

ye i know

[true fable]

yes schad

[sly remnant]

i didn't know if there was antos tech for witches or not

atticor

[gaunt fiber]

Imagine unironically learning megs

[true fable]

imagine ironically learning megs

[gaunt fiber]

Fair point

[rain sedge]

thanks brihgt, all I hear is never take erebus gates

[mossy zinc]

I never cared to watch any Meg guides or how others use her. I summon her on the Witches' Circle just because it entertains me.

"Maybe this time I can line up all four. Nope. Hit 1. Maybe next time."

[true fable]

the classic

[gaunt fiber]

the 3 witches meg is just too easy

[waxen relic]

but it already gets enough value to survive by despawning missiles

[sly remnant]

ye 3 witch meg is super easy

idk i've thought about trying antos

for high heat

[gaunt fiber]

I think it's just a matter of aspect

[sly remnant]

i like it a lot on sneak and doomstone

[gaunt fiber]

Like late game Meg is superior

[rain sedge]

I mean I could be less bad

[mossy zinc]

I feel like any setups don't work with DC2 anyway, and RI3 also messes with things, so.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rain sedge]

and learn furies fight better

I'm on eris so the DC2 strips before any summon come in

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I know you play on easy.

[sly remnant]

i also like the idea of using summon on furies when i have a costly chaos curse like maimed

[waxen relic]

I'm kinda tempted to work Mort out sometime

[mossy zinc]

Antos for Meg is so nice.

[rain sedge]

I really liked mort before I play high heat

but I do think

it's underused

like I think the meta was kill boss fast using meg because of speedrun and whatnot

[true fable]

mort is kind of big dam

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah fighting meg with 30 hp is scary

[rain sedge]

I do think at high heat there's merit of at least trying itr

like the aoe is big enough for most bosses right

[true fable]

very easy to hit on heroes and EM4 dad too

[mossy zinc]

Also Styx minibosses.

[gaunt fiber]

Very easy on heroes, even with like a charge or spin?

[sly remnant]

you probably have to throw an sd at heroes to use it

[gaunt fiber]

yeah I would not do that lol

[true fable]

i would use it after phasing

[gaunt fiber]

You prolly would not hit Theseus anyway right

[rain sedge]

great, athena offered me bronze skin both rolls

homegirl's looking more spiteful every run

[gaunt fiber]

Just saw that

pain

[rain sedge]

oh sorry

I'm not opening chat

just some quick tries tonight

[gaunt fiber]

dw dw

[waxen relic]

@gaunt fiber how much health do you usually end up with on Guan Yu?

[gaunt fiber]

The range is like 100-150

Without RI on

[waxen relic]

ah cool

[gaunt fiber]

I'm like ok with 100

I kinda try to aim for that number

[waxen relic]

just noticed that i managed to clear 40 heat with Achilles while staying at max 120 until sack

guess i'm ready to try guan yu sometime

[gaunt fiber]

Usually big heart styx is pog

But tbh Elysium is like constant 40ish hp

thanks to spins usually

[waxen relic]

hmm looking back at my run, 120 means no centaur and just one darkness

[mossy zinc]

You want to try have enough HP at Lernie that you don't lose your SD in one head slam, at least.

Although that's still doable.

[sly remnant]

this weapon sounds so stressful to play

[mossy zinc]

Acorn in Asphodel is a reasonable strategy.

[gaunt fiber]

Elysium is really stressful

when the bois come in with their BP

[mossy zinc]

The point isn't how stressful or not it is.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it's just more fun

[mossy zinc]

It's about showing how superior you are to other players by winning with -50% HP.

[gaunt fiber]

Well

that's a way of seeing things I guess

[sly remnant]

play what weapon you like

sometimes that weapon just has less hp than others

[bronze viper]

Pretty good litmus test would be "If this weapon didn't have a health penalty would it be the best aspect in the game?"

No? Oh. Huh. Weird.

[spring kettle]

GY is just a bow masquerading as a spear

[idle bronze]

32 heat ... EM4 or FO2 ... decisions decisions

[wanton plover]

fo

[idle bronze]

I kind of waffle back and forth. Try one and get pissed off, go back to the other, get more pissed, rinse repeat

Eventually the stars will align for me

[wanton plover]

try to stick with one rather than switching. it will be easier to get used to that way

[idle bronze]

I think FO2 annoys me mostly since Asterius becomes much more of a pain

[bronze viper]

I think FO2 is harder overall, but its skillset is a lot more applicable if you intend to push your heat further. Learning EM4 lets you do EM4. It's not even particularly helpful for learning EM4 FO2 lol, that's a completely separate beast

[mossy zinc]

EM4 FO2 should just count as 32 Heat.

[shy gulch]

honestly i feel that nyaanyaa

its brutal

[mossy zinc]

I'd rather do 32 mirrorless than 32 EM4 FO2.

[gaunt fiber]

You would be fine with HL0

[mossy zinc]

HL0 doesn't account for tilt.

[gaunt fiber]

You're quite the tiltproof person

[agile obsidian]

Um for 32 i would suggest neither

Although I would pick fo over em4

Bcs em4 sucks

[rain sedge]

neither, is this your first time?

some advice is pinned

https://imgur.com/a/IcMpnUA

[gaunt fiber]

SCHAD NO

[rain sedge]

@sly remnant look at where your boi is at

no it's fine

it's just the sac

if I post here maybe amir will read it and have mercy

[idle bronze]

yeah first time trying 32. Managed 20 before but I'm taking too much damage on certain enemies and Hades

[agile obsidian]

I’m praying for a 2 sac for you

[agile obsidian]

Read the pinned comment

[mossy zinc]

Amir has no mercy.

[agile obsidian]

It helps

[mossy zinc]

He humiliated Haelian on international TV for taking damage.

[sly remnant]

You can do it schad!!!!!

[agile obsidian]

U got this

[gaunt fiber]

Hades time

[rain sedge]

3 sac, and 2x roll for athena with no divine dash

[idle bronze]

heal using stubborn defiance eeek

[spring kettle]

Haelian was attempting a no hit run and got hurt because of his own hazard bomb

[agile obsidian]

I’m literally just watching that rn

Lmao

[gaunt fiber]

F for Schad

[sly remnant]

F

[gaunt fiber]

But you should see him with a delta chamber

[rain sedge]

purely bad play from me, I didn't utilise the delta chamber and I was nervous

[gaunt fiber]

really

[rain sedge]

but that was without divine dash

[spring kettle]

I believe Amir was actually in the wrong there, because it showed Haelian was safely outside the blast radius, but Amir does what he will

[rain sedge]

so maybe next time

[sly remnant]

Without divine dash no Athena DDs and no patty buff

[gaunt fiber]

^

[rain sedge]

but the snake fight was quite clean I think

the damn 3 sac killed me I think

[gaunt fiber]

Your lernie was really nice

[spring kettle]

But that little incident got immortalized in the patch notes

[rain sedge]

if I had 2 more hits I could've reset my mentality

[agile obsidian]

Schad streaming?

[gaunt fiber]

Over now

But yeah

[agile obsidian]

Oh

[rain sedge]

dead to dad at 56

was very sad

[agile obsidian]

Rip

I feel like literally everyone on this discord streams

[rain sedge]

it's just the easiest way to record your runs

[shy gulch]

^this

[agile obsidian]

Tru

[rain sedge]

otherwise you have to take a lot of hard disk space

[gaunt fiber]

^

[rain sedge]

and upload it to youtube

create yourube account

etc

[agile obsidian]

I just cant freaking record on a switch

[rain sedge]

imagine playing on switch

[agile obsidian]

Smh

[idle bronze]

works great, what's to imagine

[rain sedge]

rewatching the video makes me feel so bad

I was playing melee with delta chamber for no reason whatsoever

[agile obsidian]

Hes being sarcastic

[rain sedge]

the joke here is that I used to play on switch

and my name was "casual switch player"

and I moved to PC, therefore the name

and I used to complain about switch things here

[gaunt fiber]

You kinda missed the hyde park arc Paladine

[agile obsidian]

I still dont have anything to complain about on switch

Idk

[mossy zinc]

the joke here is that I
Laughed there already. Good punchline. Didn't read the rest.

[agile obsidian]

The only place it lags is if I am spamming titan blood into a weapon

[mossy zinc]

I just cant freaking record on a switch
This is the joke btw.

[agile obsidian]

I see

Yes that is incredibly annoying

[rain sedge]

isnt today

the fox stream day

what happened

where's the fox

where's the cat cam

[agile obsidian]

Tailesque? I’m dumb

[mossy zinc]

Both of those statements can be true.

[agile obsidian]

I think he’s streaming today

[gaunt fiber]

Nyaanyaa your heart is filled with hatred today

That's some combo

[idle bronze]

yikes TD 5:00 is a bit much for me

[rain sedge]

TD2 works I guess

[idle bronze]

made it out of Tartarus with 11 seconds to spare

[agile obsidian]

I would suggest trying to get used to it but at 32 i found td2 fine as well

[agile obsidian]

What weapon?

[mossy zinc]

11 seconds out of Tartarus is good enough.

[idle bronze]

chiron, not the fastest

[agile obsidian]

Chiron is a very safe weapon

And as long as you have some time you’re fine

Flashbacks to 9 sec em4

[rain sedge]

you do have JS0 yes, since youre playing chiron?

[idle bronze]

umm yeah I think so

[agile obsidian]

Ok

Are you doing arty or dio on spec?

Arty might be faster but I believe dio is safer

[idle bronze]

artemis this time, typically I do dio but I haven't had much luck lately with DPS on it

[rain sedge]

seems like you're doing everything right

good luck!

[idle bronze]

when I transition to Elysium I'm also confused about which keepsake to keep

[agile obsidian]

I’ve not had a successful chiron 32 yet 😦

[mossy zinc]

You should start with Heartbreak Strike and pick up whichever out of Drunken Flourish or Deadly Flourish you see first in Tartarus.

[idle bronze]

I usually just keep Aphrodite in the hope of getting a duo

[rain sedge]

do you have divine dash?

[agile obsidian]

That makes so much sense

[rain sedge]

if no, athena, and you're already doing it wrong

[agile obsidian]

I’ve been doing it backwards

[mossy zinc]

Tartarus is mainly Attack, you shouldn't be using the Special too much.

[rain sedge]

if yes, acorn or tooth, I recommend tooth

[agile obsidian]

Tooth for aspho

Bcs hydra projectiles dont do much damage

[idle bronze]

hmm yeah my typical order is Special -> Attack -> .... ummm no plan except hope for duo -> Lucky Tooth

[rain sedge]

in reality the balance depends on your HL level

[gaunt fiber]

Head slams

[rain sedge]

we're talking elysium here

[gaunt fiber]

yeah at 32 acorn is not necessary in aspho

but still an option

[agile obsidian]

I always keep hl5 on at 32

[rain sedge]

oh you reminded me to edit the pinned post

[mossy zinc]

If I don't take the Owl Pendant in Asphodel at 32, I'd take another god or Coin Purse every time.

Maybe Cosmic Egg if there's a Light of Ixion at the Well.

[dire steppe]

oil pendant

[agile obsidian]

I used to take tooth but I’ve gotten better and now take athena or purse

[mossy zinc]

Oil Paintant.

[gaunt fiber]

'gotten better'

'athena'

[wanton plover]

i used to think chaos was so broken so i took egg all the way up to styx

[mossy zinc]

That's how they got better.

By taking the Owl Pendant.

[agile obsidian]

[gaunt fiber]

Fair point

[dire steppe]

athena is a cool god if you don’t take divine desh

[gaunt fiber]

Ask Schad about Athena

[dire steppe]

divine desh is for noob

[wanton plover]

🥲

[idle bronze]

i read something where you could get athena attack on fists and basically deflect everything and make you invulnerable, but they m ust have fixed that loophole

[agile obsidian]

I’ve taken divine dash once in all my 32 runs(it was my first one)

My first 32 was honestly just letting hangover do its thing on rama

[idle bronze]

that was my plan on Chiron but haven't had any luck yet

[agile obsidian]

Try out hestia

Its a really good 32 weapon

Haven’t had a clear yet at 32 but my boonless runs have been crushed by hestia

[idle bronze]

I've had luck with Eris before

[agile obsidian]

Do it then

Eris was my easiest 32 clear

[idle bronze]

demeter special on eris with dionysus attack could be powerful ...

[agile obsidian]

Umm zeus attack arty special

[idle bronze]

hm oh yeah forgot about Zeus

[agile obsidian]

Hangover doesn’t really work on eris for me

Zeus on eris is huge since the damage bonus applies to it

[edgy arrow]

hangover on eris technically works, it’s just not that good

[gaunt fiber]

Same goes for hangover

[edgy arrow]

i’d definitely recommend zeus

[agile obsidian]

Hangover on lucy works

And its incredibly fun

[idle bronze]

hah, died at Lernie from TD5:00

i'll try Eris

[agile obsidian]

With eris slap td3 on there

[idle bronze]

lol, Eris shreds way better than Chiron

[rain sedge]

https://imgur.com/a/xJHDlQN

pepelaugh

[edgy arrow]

oh boy

it’s fine just i-frame the blast

[gaunt fiber]

He's good at it

But sometimes you can't focus on that

[agile obsidian]

Uh oh

[edgy arrow]

oh absolutely

[agile obsidian]

Rip cluster

[rain sedge]

it's just

[edgy arrow]

AP2 is still cursed good to know

[rain sedge]

1 more thing you have to keep a watch of

and instantly died xD

fun fun

[edgy arrow]

oof

[dire steppe]

daily reminder that chiron sucks

[solar maple]

Statemets that did not age well for 500. Was trying 52 heat and had a 1:24 c33 into a 1:27 c34. pain

you know you messed up when the third wave of unarmored CP2 DC2 swordsmen start spawning

[rain sedge]

this sounds like speedrun talk sir, I dont even know what you mean

but good luck!

[bronze viper]

I hope this catches on so they unnerf it. Hoo boy that weapon was dope

[rigid moon]

so whats the newest

cuz im struggling on heat 32

lol

[dire steppe]

i'm not joking btw, i actually do think chiron sucks

[rigid moon]

or recommended

D:

baited

[wanton plover]

check pinned

:D

[rain sedge]

I really do feel like playing with companion astaos tho

I think that was 3 hazard bomb in a row

[wanton plover]

with dc2 i feel its somewhat hard to proc the blue hearts before meg lands

so i use ant

[rain sedge]

yeah that's kinda aspect dependent too

the speed of DC stripping

[bronze viper]

Lol, doesn't matter to me either way. The collective cries of the community for hating the bow led to the billion buffs it got in 1.0 so I welcome the salt.

[rain sedge]

someone ping me when there's a fox stream

[bronze viper]

🦊 🚰

[gaunt fiber]

Pin this

[dire steppe]

🚰

[rain sedge]

I welcome a cyborg stream too

you strimming ledger?

[bronze viper]

I may start strimming, but no, I typically record

[rain sedge]

barrel roll me before the big boys decided it's high enough heat for them

[gaunt fiber]

Schad you're the one who stood at the top the longer

[bronze viper]

Lol, I don't think I'm the person to ask to yolo a 49. Though I will try once for good luck I suppose

[solar maple]

ooh maybe I should do a 49 for barrel roll

[spring kettle]

no one's beat it yet?

I would've thought Tailesque already beat it

[rain sedge]

the only reason I'm at the top is because the good players decided the heat is too low for them to try

I like watching people push heat

[bronze viper]

I think they are politely abstaining until the mere mortals are done with their reindeer games

[rain sedge]

it feels like training for marathon together yknow

and I can learn from their stream about things I've been missing

like if you and tail never called me out on my snake gameplay, I would still be stuck at the snake

[solar maple]

tailesque doesn't do low heat runs like 49

[bronze viper]

Pretty sure the only thing you'd learn from me streaming is "wow I'm a lot better than I thought I was"

[rain sedge]

this but unironically

ledger you're a good player

[wintry berry]

I'm busy doing 24x40

[rain sedge]

I'm an eris player

24x40 is my favourite challenge tbh

it really improves your understanding of the game

[gaunt fiber]

Dude Eris at 56

[solar maple]

it wasn't ironic haha

[gaunt fiber]

Is like not Eris anymore

[rain sedge]

and understand the aspect differences and comparing it with others

I'm glad astaos did it so I did it too

like I used to have stupid opinions like

"hestia sucks"

or

[spring kettle]

I think the only thing you'd learn from me streaming is how to get hit by every projectile

[rain sedge]

"I think gilgamesh is fine"

and now I know better

[bronze viper]

I was inspired to try 24x40 by you though. Or at least 22x40, ignoring Nemesis and Zagius

[rain sedge]

that dad fight was literally the same fight as 50. I just played really badly

[rain sedge]

seed flurry slash for zagius, it's fine

[bronze viper]

After I fail a couple of times at 49 I'll switch over to that project

[rain sedge]

nemesis, I believe you're better at dash striking than me

so you can seed dedge?

I wouldn't know though. maybe ask retrash

nemesis feels very bad

[bronze viper]

I died at 20 heat last weekend. It wasn't even close lmao

[rain sedge]

it feels like eris, but you have 3s buff instead of 4s, and your special locks you in animation, and have to be in place

[solar maple]

should I record the barrel roll run? not going to do anything with a 49 heat run unless you all want it

[gaunt fiber]

You can cancel special

[rain sedge]

stream it

or record it

I'd watch

[solar maple]

no

[rain sedge]

49 beo?

[solar maple]

yeah

[rain sedge]

or what

have fun rerolling for mriage shot

[solar maple]

just need it by heroes imo

not so bad

[gaunt fiber]

49 beo is already EM4 time right

[solar maple]

yeah

I've done 50, so it's the same thing with DC1 instead of DC2

[rain sedge]

what's the heat setup gonna be?

I suppose DC1 is "fine" since it doesn't block the cast damage, just the charge damage?

idk beo at high heat

[solar maple]

RI0, AP1, DC1, CP0, everthing else maxed

could also do CP1 instead of DC1, I think they are close.

[rain sedge]

is DC1 mathematically better than CP1?

[solar maple]

I'm bad at EM4 so I want it easier

[bronze viper]

That super depends on aspect

[solar maple]

CP em4 spooky

[rain sedge]

I feel like... in most normal chambers it'll be better to have CP1 on beo right?

yeah ledger I was wondering specifically about this beo 49 run

[bronze viper]

Oh on beo, noooo idea

[rain sedge]

but I heard beo doesn't have problems with bosses

again, idk high heat beo

[solar maple]

no problem on bosses, but I've beaten EM4 like 3 times total lmao

[rain sedge]

either way you should do 49, it'll be fine

[solar maple]

so I need all the help I can get

[rain sedge]

for us to watch

as I said, the more people who push high heat, the better for the community

to motivate each other etc

[solar maple]

I was trying 52 heat, but that's pushing the timer I think

[gaunt fiber]

Schad tough to cheer for ngl

[solar maple]

I had a slow elysium and only 30s for heroes

[rain sedge]

my companion astaos is being mean 😦

[solar maple]

3 mins was just chambers 33 and 34

[gaunt fiber]

nah

[rain sedge]

I don't think beo can do 50+ easily

[gaunt fiber]

I mean you're too negative

[rain sedge]

wdym 😦

[gaunt fiber]

but in the end you still play the game

so I guess it's ok

Like "I can't do this"

But you can

[bronze viper]

I'm assuming someone will hit 49 by the time I do so I'm just working on 50 to rejoin that club for post-cataracts, post-1.37, unseeded lol

[gaunt fiber]

The hype post cataracts category

[bronze viper]

Also because I can't find a 49 configuration that makes sense on HM

[solar maple]

alright I'm off to do 49 heat beo. Not sure the odds I win haha

[bronze viper]

Gee whiz would I love to be able to turn off CP1

[rain sedge]

50 rama?

[bronze viper]

Yeah

[rain sedge]

did you see the shackle buff

[bronze viper]

Is it 100 now?

[rain sedge]

I guess you right

[rain sedge]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but not too much tho

[rain sedge]

and skull earring is fixed

[bronze viper]

Oh, interesting. I guess I'll level that while I die in Tartarus lmao

[gaunt fiber]

Just a bit

[bronze viper]

So AP2 isn't nearly as much cancer as it was previously I guess

[rain sedge]

its kinda

a ballsy play

I never do it

but i know people use it to fight td3

[rigid moon]

why chiron over Rama btw

isnt Rama good with the spread out dmg

[bronze viper]

Who is picking chiron over rama

[rain sedge]

is this about the pinned message?

[bronze viper]

Oh, because Rama's learning curve is through the roof and Chiron's is you press special and don't get hit

[agile obsidian]

It takes a while (tail has mentioned this) to know how to position yourself with rama

[rigid moon]

ugh idk how with TD3

finished stage 1 with 14 secs to spare

[pseudo girder]

kill fast

[rigid moon]

D:

[pseudo girder]

that's how you deal with it

but yeah, you basically have to learn to perfect the art of dashing and striking

or if you're going rail or bow, just straight up dash-striking

[sly remnant]

Fast good

[pseudo girder]

become the speed

TD3 is excellent practice for speedrunning

[shy plinth]

Strongly recommend watching vods of people who consistently go quickly on the weapon you're curious about

See what they do that you don't

[pseudo girder]

^

[shy plinth]

Barrel roll sheet has a ton of very recent entries

[solar maple]

died to dad on my barrel roll attempt because I'm bad 😦

also AP1 crossed out my only offering of mirage 😦

[shy plinth]

Weren't you trying a 49

[solar maple]

yeah 49 beo

[shy plinth]

I think dying on a 49 is not an indicator of being bad

[solar maple]

the way I did was haha

[dire steppe]

Would you take td4 if it were offered

[solar maple]

really good pace too, entered dad at 13:45

[sly remnant]

Yes

[dire steppe]

3 minutes per biome +4 free heat

[solar maple]

I would also take TD4

[sly remnant]

I could remove so much trash from my pact on beo

[solar maple]

I even had patty buff. It's been too long since I fought EM4

[sly remnant]

With td4

[solar maple]

timer would be tough though with EM4

and a direct replacement would still be too slow imo

[shy plinth]

Tartarus would be a problem

[solar maple]

^^

actually not as much as you think

I think my 49 run had sub 3 tart

yeah 2:54

[sly remnant]

Sub 3 on beo with no JS no CP and no CF

Thats very doable

[solar maple]

and that was JS3 CF2 DC1

[sly remnant]

I was reliable sub 13 on beo

[solar maple]

for what heat?

[sly remnant]

40

[mossy zinc]

Still works, never made you literally invincible, though.

[solar maple]

yeah my first 40 heat clear was sub 13

not sub 12 though

[sly remnant]

My 40 i did this week was 12:34 with a 4 sac

Imagine if I could have taken something that didn't slow me down

[mossy zinc]

You could have not taken Beowulf.

[solar maple]

beo fast

[sly remnant]

Beo v fast at 40 heat

Nyaanyaa thats a sub 10 with a 2 sac

[solar maple]

if I had gotten mirage maybe I could have done my unga bunga damage race vs em4

I wanted sub 15 haha

[mossy zinc]

2:34+ for two tunnels?

[bronze viper]

nooooooo, that was a good run. Died in Elysium to offscreen speeder greatshield wave boooooo

[solar maple]

JS3 normal rooms are brutal

[mossy zinc]

Boo.

[solar maple]

so I believe it

[bronze viper]

"good run" is relative. I made it to 2nd to last chamber of elysium with 110 health lol, I don't know how much further I could have gotten

[solar maple]

using rama?

[bronze viper]

50 rama yeah

[mossy zinc]

JS3 at 40?

[solar maple]

oh I thought it was 50

then no

still normal rooms are terrible

[mossy zinc]

But it's one normal tunnel and one elite.

Since the last normal tunnel was the sack.

Definitely a good time, but doesn't sound like sub 10 if it was a 2 sack.

[solar maple]

assuming no 2 sack mentality yeah. So would expect ~2 mins for both paths I would guess then so not quite sub 10

[mossy zinc]

I have no words to comfort you. I hate off-screen Speeder projectiles.

[solar maple]

high heat rama is hard

you need to be actually good

hence why I can't do it

[mossy zinc]

I don't think it's hard to do good with Rama.

Hard to be optimal.

[solar maple]

yeah rama is definitely a strong high heat weaponn

just a hard one imo

knowing when you can powershot/set up a powershot is tricky

[bronze viper]

It's harder at low heat than it is high heat in a weird way. It takes some learning but it's scaling and base damage are so high, it makes a lot of the pacts a lot less scary.

Relative to other weapons at least

[mossy zinc]

I dunno, Rama is one of those aspects I wouldn't even play at anything below like 40.

[solar maple]

it has huge damage, the safety in cramped fights is where the difficulty comes (again, rama is one of (if not the) best weapons for high heat)

I did rama speedruns for a while, and it took a while to get sub 9. It's not the fastest

rama is good for high heat because it handles JS and DC so so well

[mossy zinc]

It's def one of the fastest at high heat.

[bronze viper]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. Rama isn't really that fun unless you can use its mechanics to minimize lots of pacts.

[solar maple]

one shotting bosses is still fun 🙂

[bronze viper]

It's slow and clunky when you don't need its strengths

[solar maple]

alright, one more barrel roll attempt then dinner

[bronze viper]

I'mma be salty if I get this tonight and no one hits 49 in 24 hours

[agile obsidian]

Its crowd control is insane

And its damage

[bronze viper]

Lol, it's probably (?) the only weapon whose damage output gets higher with JSx

Maybe old Chaos

[sly remnant]

Considering I got extra big rat spawn and the room with the huge chasm in the middle

Thats easily 2 minutes

With some good play 2 and a half

Nyaanyaa i don't think you understand how long 4 sacs take

[west sparrow]

just did my first back to back clear using exagryph with flurry fire, seeking fire, lightning strike and support fire

first time using exagryph too, feels crazy with boons for attack and attack speed

[solar maple]

got the 49 heat win! so do I just post the screencap in boasting?

16:37, so the time isn't terrible

[rain sedge]

Poguuuuuu

Congrats!

Yeah post it on the Google form pinned on build and combat

[bronze viper]

Boyfriend aggro, have to stop the grind for now 😦

[solar maple]

ah I see it. Posting now

[bronze viper]

But at least the 50 barrel roll is a thing now lol

[rain sedge]

Maybe 50 heat zag spear is next

[solar maple]

I'll try again once it gets to 51 to do a 52 heat clear

[rain sedge]

Idm grinding it for a bit, I'll see flurry jab

[solar maple]

what does "extra challenge complete" mean? I assume I should check it

[rain sedge]

I think it's for the other challenges

[solar maple]

My win rate in high heat is going up! I think that was my 5th 32+ heat win haha

soo many losses

[rain sedge]

Pseudo

Can I ask for a favour before I sleep

Do all weapons 40 aspect and report how long it took you

For science

[wide quest]

i still need to do 16 with all tbh

i only did it with bow and fist

and bow is my 32

i just only like bow now tbh

nothing else feels good at high heat

[flat flicker]

What’s your go to aspect? Rama?

[shy gulch]

h e s t i a

[solar maple]

40 heat fists

[shy gulch]

high heat fists is very

[solar maple]

I think I could do rail+bow at 40 but melees would be hard

[shy gulch]

yeah i found melees to be pretty difficult

40 is still within range of like a cast build, so u could do cast build for achilles at least

[solar maple]

and that would ruin my beautiful heat pbs featuring spear pb of 10 and shield pb of 50

[shy gulch]

sword / fists i just found nem / dem to be easiest tho

LUL

[solar maple]

I've apparently died on every rta spear run???? or I just did TD1

no idea how it's just 10 lmao

[flat flicker]

And now here I am with a 32 on the rail and a 13 I think on shield

Any general shield tips to be good, I generally win if I get the charged shot hammer and if not it’s a toss up

[solar maple]

remember that you can block! My best runs are with beo, which has massive boss damage and aoe. You want to bull rush in, then dash away to safety

[shy gulch]

it sort of depends on the shield tbf

they're all fairly different

[solar maple]

chaos is also pretty good -- less boon reliant, lower damage, and a bit safer

[shy gulch]

tho bullrushing a lot is really useful in general

you get full iframes during bullrush

so make sure to use that

[solar maple]

I actually don't like charged shot for high heat beo, even though it's the best hammer for speedruns

[vital grove]

I like Zeus shield most of those

[solar maple]

zeus is also very good

[vital grove]

Lots of damage and as safe as you need

[shy gulch]

zeus shield is poggers

[flat flicker]

So beo with what casts? Prob Aphrodite?

[solar maple]

poseidon cast is the best imo

big aoe, good damage, and builds into mirage shot well

also has better support boons than aphro

[opal token]

3 spear left until 24x32. Somehow, I’m actually doing Spear. :/ (and started with Zag so that’s done first hah)

[solar maple]

aphro and dio are also pretty good though

dio with stygian soul

[vital grove]

I like Dio cast on browulf the most

[opal token]

I did Zeus shield 32 first try and it’s the only one I one tried. I don’t think I’ve ever actually lost with it. It’s just dumb

[solar maple]

dio cast has a higher top end, but is a bit less consistent. You reaaaaly want an extra cast from chaos

[shy gulch]

i wouldnt do dio cast at high heat

[solar maple]

chaos shield was my first 32 heat clear

[shy gulch]

imo

requires too much

[solar maple]

^^ I agree

[shy gulch]

poseidon cast is what i did and will do when i return to high heat

tho i may try aphro cast

the aoe of poseidon is just so good

[solar maple]

I'll give some 40 heats a go on other weapons this weekend

for high heat beo, you want poseidon start, then hope to find natural arti (for attack -> mirage shot) or athena (for dash/call -> DDs). You then force the other usually. I would avoid RI like the plague, and not go higher than AP1

[shy gulch]

yeah RI is one of the last ones you should do with beo

even things like CF2 and UC hurt

u realllllllly want boons

[solar maple]

For reference, I'm trying 52 heat and my pact is literally everything except RI and AP2

so don't take those haha

UC is Usually fine, but if you highroll/don't find many boons, it can be rough. If you take it I would almost always pick some random boon over health when offered

[shy gulch]

CF2 really does hurt for beo unfortunately

its rough

which is why u should just play a good weapon like hestia :^)

[solar maple]

I do CF2. Just don't buy anything but boons basically

[shy gulch]

yeah

i mean you have to at that high of a heat

but it still is pain

[solar maple]

tyler runs CP and DC over CF, which I think is going a bit too far. But it is far from free heat

I would run no CF for any heat below 40 I think

but that might just be speedrunner brain talking

[flat flicker]

Is merciful end any good or is it a meme

[solar maple]

ME is good for some weapons

I'm planning on at least trying it when I attempt 40 heat fists

It's also good on chaos/zeus, but I don't know if it's the best. You would have to ask someone else on that

[shy gulch]

i think bright mightve done this for his 50 heat as well

[opal token]

Yaaass 2 spear clears in a row. Keep getting Zeus Dio into Scin Feast....boring but sure

[sly remnant]

Pseudo pls record your attempts so it counts i think you are gonna get the beo record

[edgy arrow]

^^^

if you push the beo record and give me more high heat beo to watch i’ll finally be able to stop pestering Tyler

[solar maple]

I recorded the 49 heat run

planning on recording 52 as well

do I need to show deaths for heat record? That's always a pain

[shy gulch]

probably

to prove unseeded

[sly remnant]

Yes you do

[solar maple]

ok I will

[sly remnant]

Ty

Gl man

I hope you do it

[solar maple]

I think I could have done it with my 49 heat seed tbh

mirage shot in tart, extra DD and patty

run was pretty free

[sly remnant]

Lmao

Thats a good seed

[solar maple]

I unga bunga'd the hades fight and still had 100hp and a DD left lmao

though with DC2 and CP2 I may not have been able to skip midshop for arti and take the arti trial in tart

so my build would have been worse

[bronze viper]

Once I get 50 Rama again I'll start working on the 22x40. Or maybe 41 so I can submit them?

[solar maple]

why do you need 41 to submit?

[bronze viper]

I for some reason thought it was 41 min

[edgy arrow]

22x40 lol

[trim sigil]

It's 40

[edgy arrow]

pretty sure there’re only 22 aspects yeah

[trim sigil]

though, to be fair, a lot of weapons already have 40

So doing 41 allows you to 1up them

[edgy arrow]

ngl i wanna stop at like 22 but people keep complaining whenever i suggest it

[solar maple]

I only know of 22 aspects as well haha

[trim sigil]

Wait, aren't there 24?

[bronze viper]

Lol, it'd be cool to have recordings for all of them though. And on my HM save

Nope

22

[trim sigil]

I miss a crucial meme information

[solar maple]

pretty sure fists only has 3 aspects

[trim sigil]

Ah i see, yes

[edgy arrow]

fists only has 3 for sure

sword has 2 prove me wrong

wait that’s only 21

[solar maple]

spear has 1 🙂

[trim sigil]

Sword has only 1 actually

[bronze viper]

Lol, I don't recognize Zagius or Nemesis as aspects

[edgy arrow]

extraordinarily fair

[trim sigil]

Arthur is the only sword aspect I'm aware of

[bronze viper]

I got obliterated at 20 heat with greatest reflexes dedge Nemesis.

[solar maple]

Arthur isn't so great? Are you kidding me? When was the last time you saw an aspect with such damage and style? Arthur puts the game in another level, and we will be blessed if we ever see an aspect with it's style and power again. Zag sword breaks records. Nemesis breaks records. Arthur breaks the rules. You can keep your statistics. I prefer the magic.

[edgy arrow]

have you seen Retrash’s records with nem and zag sword?

[shy gulch]

retrash is not human

[trim sigil]

It's in their name

[edgy arrow]

those have got to be some of the most insane recordings of this game floating around

[solar maple]

maybe I should get a hell mode file for beo

since I'm running all the mandatory pacts anyway

and PL isn't too bad

[trim sigil]

I should finish hell mode file one day

one day...

[edgy arrow]

yeah i’ve been working on a hell mode save specifically for high heat beo

[solar maple]

I was just going to download one haha

[edgy arrow]

i’ll take PL any day of the week if it means less CF or whatever

[solar maple]

not grinding up another file

[edgy arrow]

that’s entirely fair

i prefer to have my own, but it means i’m wasting a bunch of time lol

[solar maple]

PL is easier than the second CF, CP and DC for sure

[bronze viper]

I think my fail rate is very largely because of PL honestly. I remember being bad at sword but not thisbad

[edgy arrow]

PL would be more dangerous on sword than beo tho

[solar maple]

also damage shields matter less with thick skin imo

[edgy arrow]

i haven’t played enough with it to have a really good feel of it’s effects yet

mostly it’s just nice to be able to suicide faster lol

[trim sigil]

Now that's a real high heat strat

faster practice rounds are essential

[bronze viper]

I think my usual combo is dash strike x2, oh god oh god the witch isn't dead what do I do is it even worth using my normal attack oh god I have no PL shield There is No Escape

[edgy arrow]

how to zag sword
-special
-dash strike
-dash strike
-die

[trim sigil]

You forgot the part where you lose half hp on first dash strike

since no iframes

[edgy arrow]

zag sword aspect of not having iframes

nem as well really

[solar maple]

zag sword is just boneless nem sword

[edgy arrow]

but at least you get to do damage while dying with nem

[trim sigil]

Arthur also doesn't have iframes tbf, since you spend all the time winding up 3rd strike

Poseidon is real mvp

Cast and dash with iframes

[bronze viper]

I view them as Sword Zero and Diet Sword

[edgy arrow]

poseidon is great because the sword parts are all optional

[trim sigil]

Zag Sword has 15% reduced obliteration of your soul once AP2 hammer gives you Cursed Slash

Pretty nifty

[bronze viper]

That's because Zag sword's basic combo is already plenty cursed

[edgy arrow]

the only reason i still occasionally play zag sword is because i wanna get the cursed slash/flurry slash/heroic swift strike combo once before i die

[trim sigil]

Same

[bronze viper]

My favorite is Swift Flourish + Concentrated + Relentless Volley + Heartbreak Flourish + Unhealthy Fixation Chiron.

[edgy arrow]

i don’t think i’ve ever actually done heartbreak flourish chiron

[trim sigil]

Is that a 85% chance to charm an enemy?

Nice

[edgy arrow]

good damage as well presumably

[bronze viper]

That's understandable since Aphro is great on attack for like all Chiron builds lol

[shy gulch]

honestly poseidon is super risky too

casting takes enough frames for you to be vulnerable

sword in general is a dangerous weapon at high heat

[edgy arrow]

yeah i usually go for heart rend or low tolerance

[shy gulch]

which is why im even more impressed by retrash

[edgy arrow]

mostly low tolerance these days

[trim sigil]

You could say it's very

[bronze viper]

I like Nausea better. Doom is great secondary damage

[trim sigil]

edgy

I do not regret

[edgy arrow]

sure, but i first tried poseidon 40 and may never do zag/nem 40 so for that reason alone i can’t hate it

[shy gulch]

interesting

i found nem 40 much easier than poseidon

[bronze viper]

Too bad Ares has a giant poo poo pile of boons

[shy gulch]

actually im not sure if ive even done poseidon 40

[edgy arrow]

you’re probably actually good at playing nem

[shy gulch]

that mightve been around when i stopped doing high heat

oh trust me

im not

[edgy arrow]

i’m very very bad at sword micro

[trim sigil]

Nemesis 40 was my first 40

[shy gulch]

i did nem 40 on croven binds LUL

sword is my worst weapon

imo

that or like. spear maybe

[trim sigil]

It definitely had a crappy build carried only by uhhh lvl 6 heartbreak strike (already not crappy but shh) and unhealthy fixation

[agile obsidian]

Do i need to upgrade Beowulf for it to work better?

[trim sigil]

Depends on whether you do beo beo or charged flight beo

[bronze viper]

Doesn't it make the AoE like a lot bigger? Probably lol

[agile obsidian]

Yeah

[trim sigil]

You do need to upgrade it for beo beo

[agile obsidian]

As in legitimate cast build beo?

But how is it necessary?

[edgy arrow]

you don’t need to

[agile obsidian]

Ok

But it helps a lot?

[edgy arrow]

it only upgrades the dragon rush

but the dragon rush is very good

[agile obsidian]

So the cast thing right

[trim sigil]

I mean missing out on 50 damage per rush ain't very cash money

[agile obsidian]

The rush when your casts are loaded in

[trim sigil]

Yes

[agile obsidian]

Aight I’ll put a few titan blood into it(32 shield is gonna take a while)

[edgy arrow]

like, i’d certainly recommend upgrading it if you wanna get into beo, but it’s not like chiron or chaos where the aspect doesn’t work without upgrades

[agile obsidian]

Ok

Its a fun aspect

[edgy arrow]

agreed

[shy gulch]

its extremely fun

i love beo

[agile obsidian]

Every high heat run I do I never get mirage in Tartarus even tho i can get it

With beo

[edgy arrow]

tartarus mirage shot rarely happens lol

if you get it in aspho you’re doing fine

[agile obsidian]

Yeah but i end up dying to be furies(i probably need to practice with beo)

[spring kettle]

Would have to be a natural Artemis

[agile obsidian]

Yeah I got nat Artemis

[edgy arrow]

furies can honestly be pretty scary at high heat

[agile obsidian]

Honestly all the bosses are

[edgy arrow]

truth

lernie is the easiest imo, but i think some people would disagree with that

[agile obsidian]

I would like to disagree

[edgy arrow]

fair

it’s still very possible to lose a run to him

[agile obsidian]

I normally lose 50%of my runs to lernie

The other are just random deaths

Heroes used to be the hardest but now I’ve put em3 on for every run and it’s gotten more manageable

[edgy arrow]

i’m pretty comfortable in the lernie fight (most of the time) which seems to be kind of controversial

[agile obsidian]

Lernie is very inconsistent for me

[edgy arrow]

idk whether i’m abnormally good at that fight or (more likely) i just favour weapons that make it easier

like beowulf

[agile obsidian]

But i definitely feel like I’m getting better

I also don’t enjoy lernie bcs of all my failed 32 hestia attempts

Terrible aoe damage

[edgy arrow]

true

[agile obsidian]

For 32 fists I should probably go ME right?

Halfway thru all weapons

[edgy arrow]

ricochet shot really shines on hestia v. lernie

[agile obsidian]

Fair

Never got it tho

[edgy arrow]

you don’t have to go ME for fists but it’s probably the easiest way

[agile obsidian]

Ok

[edgy arrow]

even if you need to do a few attempts to get the duo

[agile obsidian]

Easy = good

[dire steppe]

chiron doesn’t even work at max level

[edgy arrow]

lol

[agile obsidian]

I see we have a chiron hater

[edgy arrow]

i... don’t entirely disagree to be perfectly honest

but i think you need to be either speedrunning or doing a decent amount of heat before chiron really starts to struggle

[dire steppe]

because i’m bad i can’t even do chiron 32

or is it because chiron is bad

anyway going to do 23x32you know which ones

[edgy arrow]

chiron should be able to manage 32

[agile obsidian]

23 x 32 lmao

[edgy arrow]

but as a fellow bad chiron user i feel your pain

[dire steppe]

maybe i’m playing bad chiron

[agile obsidian]

Problem with chiron for me was timing out

[dire steppe]

but i’m not convinced good chiron exists

[edgy arrow]

who knows

i certainly haven’t found it if it does

[agile obsidian]

I think nyaanyaa has a wr for chiron

[flat flicker]

What’s the threshold to qualify as high heat? I just tried merciful end zeus shield at 22 and it was a disaster

[edgy arrow]

i don’t think this is the case

[agile obsidian]

Maybe 32 idk

[edgy arrow]

Nyaanyaa had the chiron heat record briefly back in early access iirc

[solemn pulsar]

Chiron was my first 32 clear lol. Did it 2nd try. Don’t think I’ve touched it since

[agile obsidian]

I would suggest throwing yourself straight into the water

It worked for me

[flat flicker]

That’s what did it for me, I just said screw it going for 32 (previous best 20) and it worked

[shy gulch]

same cgull

its what i used first too

and i also dont think ive used it since LOL

i transitioned to rama for higher heats

[agile obsidian]

Yeah i got clapped at 23 but decided to go 32 and got it like 7 tries later

[edgy arrow]

if you look at the heat you’re running and think to yourself “that’s high” you’re playing high heat as far as i’m concerned

[shy gulch]

dont tell schad that

[edgy arrow]

yeah that makes it subjective but anything else is needlessly gatekeepy imo

[flat flicker]

Appreciate that! Very thoughtful of ya. I just got my first 32 heat clear today (eris rail zeus, one of my favs) it seems that I’m in the minority of people who can’t shield

[shy gulch]

shield is a bit of an unusual weapon

i stayed farrrrr away from it until i got introduced to zeus and beowulf

i still dont really play zag or chaos

[agile obsidian]

I can’t shield for the life of me

[edgy arrow]

shield plays pretty differently to other weapons

[agile obsidian]

I’m just practicing beo rn

[bronze viper]

I legit think Lernie is harder than EM3 at very high heat

[flat flicker]

If I get the charged shot hammer I’m golden if not im basically screwed haha

[bronze viper]

Or at least can be depending on spawns

[flat flicker]

If your forced overtime is high, that def is a thing

[shy gulch]

i can see that ledger

[flat flicker]

Lernie being harder than em3

[shy gulch]

i find EM3 much easier than asterius alone tbh

asterius alone is a nightmare

[edgy arrow]

maybe but i have nightmares about chasing Theseus’ chariot at FO2 with fists while the timer ticks down

[shy gulch]

the arena is so much smaller and you only have like 2 pillars

[solar maple]

I think EM3 is harder, but you get to take a defensive keepsake to it most of the time

whereas with lernie you don't usually

[shy gulch]

yeah agreed

thats usually the difference

[edgy arrow]

that’s a good point

[shy gulch]

i mostly force athena into aspho for them extra DDs lmao

[agile obsidian]

I tried a 40 heat run today with eris and got clapped by fo2 minotaur

[shy gulch]

he's ruined so many of my runs

so hard

[agile obsidian]

Asterius?

Bcs if so sameeee

[shy gulch]

yeah

lmao

[edgy arrow]

asterius used to be like 90% of my deaths for so long

[bronze viper]

I think most of my runs are lost to Drakens and Chariots, vaguely tied

[shy gulch]

this feels kinda bad to say but it made me feel a tiny bit better when asterius took out tail's lucky tooth in his 60 heat run

i was like "wow its not just me"

[agile obsidian]

For me its literally all of the bosses

[shy gulch]

"bull scary"

[edgy arrow]

now i’d say it’s a fairly even split between furies, rando elysium rooms and EM4

[agile obsidian]

Understatement

Furies the least, minotaur the most

Even the mini boss

[bronze viper]

Am I the only who one who thinks Tisiphone is the hardest fury? Something in my brain turns off against her and I always get hit by her dashes

[edgy arrow]

i think i can actually understand that

tho i think it’s definitely the least common opinion

[agile obsidian]

Tisiphone and alecto

Alecto chainsaw annoying

[shy gulch]

alecto is by far the scariest for me

tis is probably second

[bronze viper]

Yeah the chainsaws are pretty hard to track

[edgy arrow]

i don’t die to Tisi the most atm, but when i transitioned to running FO2 HL5 permanently she messed me up literally every time

i’m still not sure why

[true fable]

i hate meg on FO2

[agile obsidian]

Fo2 meg looks hilarious

Wow i was literally just about to say that