I didn't knowthat
#h1-high-heat-strategies
rain sedge
mossy zinc
+2 poms only appear in Styx and Erebus.
lusty mirage
yeah yesterday i started ares and found an athena erebus in chamber 1
green citrus
yeah yesterday i started ares and found an athena erebus in chamber 1
Pog
sly remnant
thats a big Pog
shy gulch
yeah early erebus athena is a msut take for ME imo
gaunt fiber
Wait you guys don't go for Sweet Nectar
daring hedge
"hey why is there no mirror"
guy who has definitely done 63 legitimately: i dunno i think the heat did that probably
gaunt fiber
Probably
solemn pulsar
well tail, to be fair you've never done 63 heat. maybe at 63 it shows up different
daring hedge
LOL
solemn pulsar
srsly for all we know when you clear 64 it starts a video call with amir, who is just like "HOLY CRAP SOMEONE DID IT GUYS"
shy gulch
LMAO
green citrus
First run 63 heat obvi
shy gulch
no amir would just be like "you got hit? fricking idiot"
rain sedge
is there special conversation at max heat?
shy gulch
"call me when u do a hitless no dash boonless 64 heat"
rain sedge
I remember when I did EM4 at 40 heat, zag talked to dad about how strong he was, and how he was holding back
solemn pulsar
is there special conversation at max heat?
nah, but meg and hades both have dialogue for "high" heat
daring hedge
no amir would just be like "you got hit? fricking idiot"
"i noticed you almost died to a trap. have you considered turning off HS"
green citrus
I don't think the devs ever thought max heat would be possible.
shy gulch
LOL
mossy zinc
Amir after your 64 clear: "... why would you take Heightened Security? It's only 1 Heat. Just don't take it."
shy gulch
i think they said that they'd be satisfied if every aspect can clear 40 heat
solemn pulsar
given that probably <100 people have even gotten a 50 heat clear
sly remnant
nah they had 40 heat in their mind
rain sedge
no I remember at 40 something EM4 there's a new line with dad back home
daring hedge
i think they said that they'd be satisfied if every aspect can clear 40 heat
yeah pretty much this
rain sedge
or maybe it wasnt the 40 heat, maybe it was EM4 + high heat
sly remnant
i'm p sure less than 30 people have ever done 50
daring hedge
they didn't even expect all aspects to breach 50 but they can
solemn pulsar
i was being generous since i'm sure there are plenty of people not in the community who have pushed heat really far
rain sedge
could ping ello to check gamefile
bronze viper
Retrash ruined everything with 57 zag sword, so now every aspect is obv perfect
sly remnant
ye thats right bright
shy gulch
im pretty sure more than 30 have done 50 heat
daring hedge
ME vehicle
shy gulch
that just feels low
sly remnant
i mean maybe
shy gulch
hadesprofessor singlehandedly did all aspects 50, with the assistance of TRIPPY SHOT
true fable
the 50 heat club is pretty small though its just a small number of people doing a lot of 50 clears
true fable
and then a bunch of people on hestia
bronze viper
Yeah it seems like a lot but if scan down the names it's a pretty tight club lol
shy gulch
:^)
daring hedge
lol
daring hedge
i'm about to save hestia for last because it would be funny
mossy zinc
Making every aspect at viable at 40 Heat only came after they saw us push heat that high. Before, I remember Amir said making every aspect viable at 40 wasn't really a concern.
true fable
50 heat hestia is the sub 7 eris of high heat
lusty mirage
if anybody sees hadesprofessor stream live go tell him about barrel roll challenge
shy gulch
i'll probably get around to a zeus shield 50 clear at some point
yeah literally bright
LOL
sly remnant
thats very accurate bright
mossy zinc
One of the many ways Early Access affected the direction of things.
torn vapor
Aw, look at you all ❤️
shy gulch
oh really nyaanyaa? interesting
green citrus
if anybody sees hadesprofessor stream live go tell him about barrel roll challen...
We'll have to translate our message to Korean but I think it's a great idea haha
rain sedge
I think, it's very possible that there's a subset of non-english speaking people doing 50+ heat
like hadesprofessor
daring hedge
hey peach!
shy gulch
yeah exactly schad
rain sedge
and they are not in this channel because it's english speaking
shy gulch
and hadesboy, new guy on the src leaderboards
rain sedge
and unlike professor, they don't stream
true fable
wow two peach people? in the same chat? its more likely than youd think
solemn pulsar
yeah so there are 13 50+ heat runners on the spreadsheet, and it's incredibly naive to think that we're anything but a small portion of people who have hit 50
rain sedge
Aw, look at you all ❤️
monkaGIGA we're on topic mod
true fable
LOL
sly remnant
croven figured me out
mossy zinc
At the time there were only maybe 5-10 people who had done 40+, that seemed as inaccessible to many as 50+ does now with only so few people having done that.
torn vapor
Hiyah! I'm just here lurking and seeing you all chat. Don't mind the ex-playtester here 
gaunt fiber
Schad is right
solemn pulsar
Hiyah! I'm just here lurking and seeing you all chat. Don't mind the ex-playtest...
why didn't you tell them to buff guan yu @gaunt fiber
/s
true fable
lurking? 👁️ 
lusty mirage
@torn vapor you did the original monthly challenges right? the reboot has been fun
rain sedge
I mean this idea of going to discord, talking to people about the game, is largely affected by your culture too
daring hedge
At the time there were only maybe 5-10 people who had done 40+, that seemed as i...
yeah our standards for high heat skyrocketed very quickly following blood price lol
idle bronze
should I try Aphrodite/Artemis or Aphrodite/Dionysus with 32 heat Chiron? Been trying Dinoysus and haven't had much luck
torn vapor
Glad you guys are having a blast with the new challenges!
rain sedge
there's a huge subset of culture where it's unusual to hang out at discord or talk to strangers about games you play
gaunt fiber
Glad you guys are having a blast with the new challenges!
Buff GY
true fable
paladine you can probably start heartbreak strike
rain sedge
so those people might do 50+ heat
true fable
and then take whichever comes your way
shy gulch
both are viable, so see whatever works
sly remnant
like i said i think that 50 heat has become normalized in a way it probably shouldn't
daring hedge
astaos just asked a mod to buff gy
bronze viper
yeah so there are 13 50+ heat runners on the spreadsheet, and it's incredibly na...
I don't think it's incredibly naive. It's pretty hard to get to that heat without some level of information sharing. It's definitely more than are reporting here but I would doubt it's more than twice that.
rain sedge
Glad you guys are having a blast with the new challenges!
do it with us ❤️
green citrus
yeah our standards for high heat skyrocketed very quickly following blood price ...
It was really Haelian's videos on heat I think started pushing it too
gaunt fiber
astaos just asked a mod to buff gy
Yes.
rain sedge
I think it's not naive, I think we simply dont have enough information to extrapolate based on what limited exposure we have
idle bronze
tried Artemis once but didn't make it far, crit on Special, but didn't get the duo boon so wasn't doing too much damage by the time I got to Elysium
mossy zinc
@daring hedge Bruiser nerf and FO fine-tuning in Blood Price made a huge difference.
agile obsidian
I started to do high heat when I started looking at this channel
true fable
yeah hael has gotten a lot of people into high heat for sure
most of his subs have at least tried 32 by now
sly remnant
hael has done a lot for hades in general
bronze viper
We do have the achievement data for 8/16. Which I haven't checked recently. I wonder what those percentages look like
shy gulch
he really has
daring hedge
for sure
agile obsidian
Also after watching haelians 50 heat
shy gulch
hael got me into speedrunning and this discord in particular
bronze viper
Yeah I joined this discord because of Haelian
rain sedge
ok imma ping amir, I'm curious
true fable
only respect for my favorite undermine streamer
solemn pulsar
I think it's not naive, I think we simply dont have enough information to extrap...
exactly, so i think it is naive to conclude that we are a large proportion of high heat runners
daring hedge
uh oh
agile obsidian
hael got me into speedrunning and this discord in particular
Yep he mostly made me start speedrunning more
true fable
do NOT
shy gulch
i went the route of haelian discord -> this discord -> speedrunning discord
true fable
ping devs
daring hedge
schad no
true fable
please
rain sedge
ok
solemn pulsar
@ameeeeer
rain sedge
okokok
I just wanna know if the logging is in place and if it's retroactively applicable 😭
solemn pulsar
logging of what?
gaunt fiber
If you ping can you include "buff GY" in your message thanks
rain sedge
heat achievements
rain sedge
that's exactly what my question was gonna be
daring hedge
my arc was buying hades and then for the first time wanting to directly participate in the early access process beyond just my play data
so i joined the discord
sly remnant
i imagine they have some very light BI for clears and such and making sure things are performing somewhat within expectation
green citrus
I started delving into the community when I figured out everyone hated the weapon I liked. 🙃 And @sly remnant 50 heat
agile obsidian
But seriously supergiant knocked it out of the park for this game. I've not been so addicted to a game since Breath of the Wild
rain sedge
idk if that 16 heat achievement is monitored, or if there's a framework steam owns to track that
true fable
i joined because i wanted to share how broken curse of longing chaos shield was
sly remnant
LMAO
daring hedge
also no offense but i had also been in the RoR2 discord for a bit and the feedback section was incomprehensible
true fable
and they take damage
sly remnant
i joined because i was pushing heat (i thought 10 was cool) and wanted to see what better players were doing. and then i stayed silent for about 3 weeks
rain sedge
what's ROR2
agile obsidian
risk of rain 2
daring hedge
i joined because i wanted to share how broken curse of longing chaos shield was
i miss when CoL was broken
true fable
i remember looking at explosive returns 50 damage and thinking
rain sedge
uh ok
true fable
that it wasnt that much
rain sedge
never heard of it
agile obsidian
Its another roguelike
true fable
but 50's kind of a lot of damage
sly remnant
i thought Mom Pom was broken
rain sedge
I joined because I simply couldn't get a companion, and was wondering if my game is bugged
bronze viper
So yeah, 12% have done 8 heat, and 5.8% have done 16. That's... a pretty harsh drop-off, considering that each category of heat is a lot harder than the previous
sly remnant
ye heat does not scale linearly
true fable
mom pom and priv status are the two hallmarks
agile obsidian
I joined bcs I just figured got discord and wanted to see if my favorite game at the time had a discord server
true fable
but the percentage should be fairly similar
unless epic/switch affects your propensity to do heat
which tbf switch probably does
sly remnant
ye switch frame rate
true fable
though we have people like schad
daring hedge
i mean achievements can make people do things they otherwise wouldn't care to do
true fable
who did 50
daring hedge
switch has no achievements
agile obsidian
which tbf switch probably does
😦 Im a switch user and I can tell from personal experience that my game does not lag
solemn pulsar
i imagine they have some very light BI for clears and such and making sure thing...
my understanding was that all of their balance changes is based on pick rates. there's a setting in settings to send usage data back to SGG
BRIGHT
STOP
sly remnant
KEKW
rain sedge
it definitely affects your propensity for high heat
agile obsidian
Or have bad framerate
daring hedge
LOL
bronze viper
Yeah I don't think the console should affect the proportions. And they fixed the issue on the switch where you woul run at like 10 fps in Elysium with JS3 active and too many particle effects. I haven't run into issues since I started playing again
true fable
i had a few issues on switch vs EM4 when i used to use it
though i guess it cant be that bad anymore
if you can do 62 heat
daring hedge
switch players are usually casuals
see thank you schad
sly remnant
my understanding was that all of their balance changes is based on pick rates. t...
ye thats probably true. i don't imagine they do any serious BI tracking
but what do i know
agile obsidian
Ive really not run into any problem on switch
But I dont have a lot of games as well
solemn pulsar
rain sedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790729912163368991/808799325496541234/u...
real lmfao
sly remnant
KEKW
daring hedge
the 62 heat "clear"
shy gulch
LOL
agile obsidian
only times its lagged is spending titan blood
bronze viper
Someone explain pls :3
gaunt fiber
Why does a casual care so much about 62 
agile obsidian
This dude cleared 62 heat on switch yesterday
sly remnant
with fists
true fable
whats there to explain
mossy zinc
exactly, so i think it *is* naive to conclude that we are a large proportion of ...
It's not at all naive. To push high heat effectively and efficiently, a community focused on that makes a huge difference. Anyone outside the community will have a much harder time doing it on their own. If you search for high heat YouTubers or streamers, you can find pretty much all of them here or on the speedrun server except for Hadesprofessor, but he is also on the high heat and speedrun leaderboards.
true fable
switch is the optimal gaming platform
i really like it here but sometimes its like i open a chapter of a book
mossy zinc
Like, there's no secret Hades high heat community someplace else, and if there was, it wouldn't really attract players if nobody knows about it.
agile obsidian
Switch gang
bronze viper
Lol... did he actually, or did he just big-d brag on the internet?
daring hedge
we have no idea
agile obsidian
Idk if he posted I didnt see but seems legit
daring hedge
Idk if he posted I didnt see but seems legit
seems legit is a strong way to put it
agile obsidian
He said he would show a picture of the admin chamber file
true fable
yeah id say it seems
sly remnant
and is unable to make the ultimate gaming platform move to the admin chamber
daring hedge
sometimes it just kinda seems.
agile obsidian
They were at work the other day and thats why they couldnt post it
Idk if they posted after getting home
sly remnant
overtime pepehands
daring hedge
people can say things
mossy zinc
They haven't.
true fable
dangit
daring hedge
people can just kinda say stuff
true fable
theyve been at work for like 24 hours
agile obsidian
oof
true fable
tough stuff
sly remnant
rough job
true fable
rough day in the mines for sure
gaunt fiber
Come on guys
mossy zinc
I'll reserve my judgment for when I see evidence. There's no point in speculation.
torn vapor
Are they a trustworthy person?
bronze viper
Yeah... I mean I'm super happy for him if he did it. But I'll remain skeptical unless I see something
agile obsidian
Havent seen them before on the discord
gaunt fiber
We don't know them
daring hedge
they only really made themselves known in this channel the other day
true fable
i am happy for them if they did it
agile obsidian
yep
torn vapor
I see 
daring hedge
and their pact config sounded a little insane but i mean, yeah if they did it
huge pog
true fable
you think someone would do that though
daring hedge
but there is nothing so far
agile obsidian
I mean people do stuff sometimes
gaunt fiber
and their pact config sounded a little insane but i mean, yeah if they did it
Well I mean it's 62
agile obsidian
And its the internet
bronze viper
"pact config" there aren't that many configurations at 62 lmao
true fable
well
bronze viper
-DC1 -HS?
true fable
Hl4 JS2
sly remnant
the classic RI4 62
daring hedge
Well I mean it's 62
HL4 JS2 is insane astaos
true fable
is not one of the first ones id think of
daring hedge
you have to take RI4
sly remnant
god gamer
daring hedge
and don't get hit ever
sly remnant
trapped at work
bronze viper
Okay my skepticism bar is kind of off the charts atm
solemn pulsar
welcome to club
gaunt fiber
You know HL5 is rough
bronze viper
I assumed like a reasonable person that it was RI3
solemn pulsar
we have tshirt
sly remnant
I assumed like a reasonable person that it was RI3
mirror is a scam
gaunt fiber
^
mossy zinc
This isn't at all productive. 
daring hedge
mirror is simply holding us back from greatness
true fable
is most of the stuff here productive then
mossy zinc
mirror is simply holding us back from greatness
That's what Astaos and I keep telling you.
Although, in Astaos's case it's more than the mirror that's holding him back.
bronze viper
We need 32-heat-pacts-bot to come in and make our conversation on topic
daring hedge
hey i'm very acquainted with the idea ok i do have 50 mirrorless
sly remnant
i tried mirrorless beo
gaunt fiber
I would like to know what is holding me back?
bronze viper
Oh no they're onto us
mossy zinc
I would like to know what is holding me back?
Your programming.
bronze viper
Abort
torn vapor
Does that mean you want people to talk about strats?
sly remnant
HEY GUYS I'M LOOKING TO DO MY FIRST 32 ANY SUGGESTIONS
rain sedge
maybe it was baj's smurf
daring hedge
lmao peach is just 👁️
true fable
RI4
torn vapor
Should I get the ready?
waxen relic
it is not fun
that's because you compare it to non-mirrorless beo. Treat it as a new beo 
bronze viper
IS ZAG SPEAR VIABLE AT 32
torn vapor
(I'm kidding lol)
true fable
i love zag spear
gaunt fiber
Your programming.
But how would you know?
true fable
zag spear second best
daring hedge
zag spear is a great flurry jab container
mossy zinc
sly remnant
i love zag spear
are you gonna submit your 10:09 zag? its a respectable time
shy gulch
flurry jab is good at 32 heat
sly remnant
i mean thats fine
daring hedge
true but hades and achilles are strictly better serrated
sly remnant
its an impressive time on the weapon
true fable
well
sly remnant
at 33 heat
torn vapor
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/14/ff/37/14ff3702192322b1466002a8d22ffbba--mario-broth...
I've never seen this art before and I thank you for it 
daring hedge
then again achilles is strictly better flurry too but brain off good
solemn pulsar
rain sedge
brain off VERY good
literally why I'd pick delta chamber over anything but cluster at 56
gaunt fiber
Lmao
bronze viper
I miss when you had to do the monster math to divine from the heavens where you were going to land with Chain Skewer on Achilles
rain sedge
I'd take a lot of things over rocket bomb
in fact, I'd sell a rocket bomb at the well if I could
mossy zinc
HEY GUYS I'M LOOKING TO DO MY FIRST 32 ANY SUGGESTIONS
You should give this a try. Worked really well for me. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/787460122481393674/Hades_1239.png?width=718&height=404
daring hedge
beo special hammer where you chain your rush and explode casts on every enemy
daring hedge
LOL
rain sedge
at 56 heat, my concern is about surviving. cluster bomb changes your gameplay into a melee weapon to get the eris buff
true fable
honestly i think a beowulf hammer that made the aoe larger would be bettee than frickin unyielding defense
rain sedge
especially at 4s nerf, it's not a choice I'd like to be forced on me
bronze viper
Pretty much all of the secret aspect hammers are pretty lol
daring hedge
luci hammers are ok
sly remnant
arthur's does something
true fable
the worst part about repulse shot
bronze viper
Consecrated is great
rain sedge
Pretty much all of the secret aspect hammers are pretty lol
bigger arthur aoe is so great
true fable
is that it doesnt even proc sea storm
rain sedge
carried my 40 heat
mossy zinc
made it past feedback
We had +400% Charged Flight, so we didn't really care.
true fable
like why
daring hedge
but triple bomb is better than luci hammers so
sly remnant
i mean flood flare doesn't proc seastorm
rain sedge
WHAT?
true fable
im gonna put it in test branch discussion
daring hedge
poseidon doesn't approve 😔
rain sedge
excuse me?
bronze viper
Does Curse of Drowning?
true fable
might write up an essay about repulse shot sea storm rama
rain sedge
I mean the flood shot procs it
mossy zinc
Passion Flare also doesn't proc Sea Storm.
daring hedge
CoD does
torn vapor
i mean flood flare doesn't proc seastorm
That is very sad...
sly remnant
curse of drowning does
bronze viper
I couldn't tell last time I had both, a million things were on the screen at the same time
rain sedge
it sounds like a bug to me
true fable
CoD does yeah
sly remnant
we asked amir
true fable
thats a new thing
rain sedge
have we confirmed it's not a bug?
sly remnant
he said it is by design
true fable
i asked amir he says its intended behavior
daring hedge
used to not
mossy zinc
Amir said git gud.
sly remnant
That is very sad...
i cry thinking about the possibilities
mossy zinc
It's not like Flood Flare needs it. It's already meta.
opal token
Do various Zeus boons share internal cool downs? For example I just happen to have Zeus call, strike, and thunder flourish on this Zeus shield run
Plus jolted
Can all 3 abilities proc simultaneously or are they limited by internal cool down
rain sedge
hmm. I know the special has an internal cooldown
sly remnant
It's not like Flood Flare needs it. It's already meta.
flood flare being meta is still up for debate
bronze viper
For sure strike, flourish and jolted can all coexist. I do not know about multiple instances of bolts or chain lightning though
dire steppe
why would you not use hunters flare smh
opal token
Nice
sly remnant
gdq approved flare
rain sedge
but strike and flourish is inherently a different ability, no?
opal token
I would love to try and like “watch” to tell but a) time constraints and b) visual clutter lol
rain sedge
whereas flourish and aid are both "bolts"
bronze viper
They don't do the same things, yeah. One is chain lightning, the other is lightning bolts
mossy zinc
Hunter's Flare could be good if it would actually hit anything.
sly remnant
hunter's flare is serviceable
true fable
have you tried gitting gud
bronze viper
But Aid makes bolts happen around you, and Thunder Flourish requires an enemy? It would be odd if they were exclusive
true fable
theyre both bolts
opal token
Fwiw, my damage output seems bonkers.
bronze viper
Someone get Thunder Dash and Zeus' Aid and do some science
mossy zinc
have you tried gitting gud
No, I just used a +400% Charged Flight seed. Why do you ask?
bronze viper
Lol, first room of tartarus, swinging for sub 800 dmg
true fable
blood price here i come
opal token
Yeah...just cleared FO2 hades and only used Acorn in like 35 seconds
sly remnant
imagine if i could seed
daring hedge
yes
gaunt fiber
We got a Cataracts PB! Congrats @bronze viper
daring hedge
ledger's new eyes grow stronger by the minute
bronze viper
:3. I'm not too far off, I think my unseeded PB ever is 47, but it wasn't recorded, and I got extremely lucky.
mossy zinc
I remember when people were telling me "it's too early to say" and I need more experience with the aspect when I said +400% was completely broken after I just did my first run with Beowulf at 41.
Weird times.
gaunt fiber
Let me accomplish some aerial manoeuvre
solemn pulsar
Do various Zeus boons share internal cool downs? For example I just happen to ha...
chain lightning (attack/cast) has a 0.15s cooldown i believe. bolts special) have a 0.2 second cooldown i believe. dash and call trigger set procs, so that's different.splitting bolt has a 0.2 cooldown. idk about jolted, i think it's separate damage
mossy zinc
Let me accomplish some aerial manoeuvre
Z or R twice.
gaunt fiber
Gotcha
rain sedge
chain lightning (attack/cast) has a 0.15s cooldown i believe. bolts special) hav...
so the dash, call, and flourish all have different ICD?
bronze viper
That's my understanding
solemn pulsar
i don't think that dash or call have cool downs
like call is set
and if you dash quick you still get 2 bolts
gaunt fiber
The sheet says I'm the hottest
solemn pulsar
i think it's more for stuff like special/attack which can conceivably hit super fast
bronze viper
It has the same cooldown as your dash kappa
rain sedge
hmm, 46 heat huh
bronze viper
Yeah, try on Gilgamesh. All the bolts
rain sedge
that's gonna be tough to beat
bronze viper
I can work on 46 recorded after work. 44 went really smooth
solemn pulsar
some people in speedrunning have been diving into the details of high level double strike (like 90+% double striek) and that thing behaves WEIRD
some boons get 3/4 bolts off of a single one
mossy zinc
lol by the time you're home, you'll have to do 47 probably.
solemn pulsar
some only ever get 2
sly remnant
i hear there is a good gilgamesh merciful end build with three hermes boons thats worth looking at
solemn pulsar
hush
bronze viper
lol by the time you're home, you'll have to do 47 probably.
Probably. i play super slow so it's not terribly likely I'll beat anyone on speed
sly remnant
zeus good
green citrus
I'm not even sure I wanna try above 45 unless I'm just going for my 50 heat clear lol
gaunt fiber
yeah pact getting weird
gaunt fiber
There will be more Guan Yu, I promise
sly remnant
POG
daring hedge
55 GY when astaos
gaunt fiber
One step at a time
daring hedge
one huge step
green citrus
I look at @gaunt fiber runs and finishing dad with ~150 max health or so and I'm just not down with that life lmao
green citrus
Yeah for GY that's what I'm saying looooll
I wanna do 50 heat cursed slash Arthur tbh but dad fight hard
mossy zinc
@sly remnant where is all that Hestia hate coming from? lol
green citrus
Yeah, it'll require pretty much no hit lol
rain sedge
wait a second
gaunt fiber
<@!380736019726729216> where is all that Hestia hate coming from? lol
"Hestia easy, pew pew boom".
daring hedge
yeah lol my pre-run death for arthur 51 was uh. cursed slash that died to one errant asterius charge
rain sedge
am I stupid or
there's an armored enemy in my room with BP2 on without any buff
is that a thing?
true fable
superelite?
sly remnant
^
rain sedge
no just normal
rain sedge
let me screenshot it
mossy zinc
There are more Beowulf players at high heat than Hestia.
daring hedge
those can happen in the skull reward chambers schad
sly remnant
i don't think hestia being better than beo at high heat is a hot take
rain sedge
mossy zinc
I don't think it's a hot take lol.
There's a reason Beowulf and I don't talk no more.
sly remnant
my weapon can't compete with hestia at high heat
mossy zinc
I like aspects that are good. 
sly remnant
so they can have fun with barrel roll
gaunt fiber
Push it
sly remnant
i don't want to
rain sedge
those can happen in the skull reward chambers schad
I see
gaunt fiber
Slam them if you don't get a cast
rain sedge
so always take skull chamber at high heat?
daring hedge
i do usually take them at high heat if it's not versus a key or something
they tend to feel quicker
gaunt fiber
Always take skull in general
daring hedge
yeah
sly remnant
yea they are faster
mossy zinc
Only one type of armored enemies will have BP perks in any chamber.
zinc gate
What does SD and TD mean in this graph?
mossy zinc
Acronyms are in the pins.
rain sedge
SD means stubborn defiance, TD means tight deadline
mossy zinc
Oh wait. SD is Stubborn Defiance. That one's not in the pins.
rain sedge
I also put acronyms in the writeup I think
gaunt fiber
You did a really nice work Schad
rain sedge
ty ❤️
gaunt fiber
If only people would check pinned messages
mossy zinc
Yeah, jump to the message because it's more than one. Only the first message in that thread got the pin.
zinc gate
SD wasn’t there so I think my point is valid but sure. Thanks
mossy zinc
- Athena dash is super good, prevents empty dashes, gives deflect, and gives eligibility for extra death defiance (DD) boon that adds DD on top of your stubborn defiance (SD). SD must be consumed when you receive the boon for you to get extra DD.
rain sedge
I also said "continued" on the message
mossy zinc
I also said "continued" on the message
Just because people look at your message doesn't mean they read it. 
gaunt fiber
Guilty
sly remnant
@mossy zinc hestia has more clears on the sheet and far more clears at or above 50 so i'm not sure where the idea that there are more beo players. especially considering i don't think every hestia clear on src is on the sheet
tidal flame
😔
mossy zinc
We have individual player count for each aspect in the Weapon Index.
8 players have submitted Beowulf runs, 7 have submitted Hestia runs.
sly remnant
oh i see
sly remnant
i'm not sure player count for minimum 32 submission
is an indication of aspect strength
mossy zinc
I never said player count was an indication of that anyway.
gaunt fiber
big numbers somewhere = strong aspect
mossy zinc
But it's not like high heat is just Hestia players.
gaunt fiber
Than rooms can be really tough
mossy zinc
I don't like JS3 Thanatos encounters in Elysium at all.
sly remnant
i'm aware of that. but if people ever want to push times on the barrel roll
rain sedge
chamber 22 trial room, yay or nay?
sly remnant
its gonna be hestia
rain sedge
46 heat
solemn pulsar
or eris @sly remnant
rain sedge
the gods are quite delicious
sly remnant
unless hadesprof or tail whip out rama
sly remnant
nah eris kinda slow at 45+ compared hestia
mossy zinc
Just beat the Heat before they can submit their better time.
rain sedge
ughhhh
I'll risk it I think
I lack boon
nope, no splitting bolt
that's my last roll
it's in hades' hand now
sly remnant
what is me doing a 19 minute 46 heat beo gonna prove
or teach me
i mean i can go faster than that but you get my point
mossy zinc
No.
solemn pulsar
32 heat taught me love
40 heat taught me patience
and 50 heat taught me pain
dire steppe
32 heat taught me pain, I’m bad ok
mossy zinc
It's not about proving anything. @daring hedge doesn't barrel-roll to prove anything. He does it because he can and it's fun.
solemn pulsar
it's song lyrics btw
mossy zinc
It's all about the.
solemn pulsar
just memein
sly remnant
whats the point of doing the challenge if its just gonna be pushing heat
solemn pulsar
if you won't find it fun then don't do it
dire steppe
why push heat when you can pack heat
true fable
🍆
solemn pulsar
wrong heat bright
mossy zinc
It's pushed a lot of players into doing Heats or times they haven't done before.
sly remnant
idk i guess its the same issue i have with pushing heat
it becomes about achieving some arbitrary number
instead of learning the weapon
gaunt fiber
Well it depends on what is your mind setup
solemn pulsar
what does it mean for you to learn the weapon
kind of an abstract concept after a point
gaunt fiber
I did a billion of runs at 40 that made me learn the weapon
solemn pulsar
I did a billion of runs at 40 that made me learn the weapon
thats a lot of runs
mossy zinc
Sometimes pushing an arbitrary number forces you into the right mindset and situation to learn things about the weapon you hadn't considered before.
gaunt fiber
then pushing heat is like, going further
ripe crane
I am only submitting fasters until we get to 58.
sly remnant
Sometimes pushing an arbitrary number forces you into the right mindset and situ...
i agree with this. but making it go faster does that too
and no one wants to do that
they only want to learn one side of the weapon
its lopsided
shy gulch
i mean a lot of people want to go fast too? its just that they're all in the other discord
not this one
sly remnant
sure but if we aren't using this challenge to learn about the weapon
then why are we doing it
gaunt fiber
FUN
daring hedge
i'd say the barrel roll challenge was always a bit more focused on the heat side anyway
sly remnant
LEARNING IS FUN
mossy zinc
Yeah.
sly remnant
i'm fine with it going towards the heat
solemn pulsar
i'd say the barrel roll challenge was always a bit more focused on the heat side...
yeah the time seems like more something to do when the heat gets really high
sly remnant
but outside of like 3 or 4 people the other side has been completely ignored
gaunt fiber
yeah we did not have a speedrun phase like I thought we would
mossy zinc
The time only really became a factor because what if you do the same Heat but you beat their time? Well, that should also count.
gaunt fiber
guess we should have let the speedrun discord know
they would have got barrel rolled by beginners
solemn pulsar
you're flaming the people
sly remnant
its the attitude participants have taken to it
mossy zinc
I don't post challenges in the speedrun server or elsewhere. I create challenges for the community in this server. The hub for the challenges is here.
dire steppe
dont heat the players time game the
mossy zinc
What language is that?
gaunt fiber
what
dire steppe
yeah
gaunt fiber
Ok it's not me then
sly remnant
i'd just like to see a more well rounded approach
daring hedge
lmao
dire steppe
chaos shield is pretty round
solemn pulsar
maybe if you had to alternate heat/time one-ups
true fable
good call
solemn pulsar
that could be interesting
true fable
about time i did 50 chaos
dire steppe
that could be interesting
mfw someone hits 32 heat WR and the challenge is over
gaunt fiber
it never ends
dire steppe
"dont heat the players time game the" -rigged 2021
my tag is not 2021 its 1642 smh
sly remnant
its the year bud
true fable
"dont heat the players time game the" -rigged 2021
can we pin this
dire steppe
1642 the year was a long time ago
gaunt fiber
@shy plinth We got a contender here
daring hedge
lol
dire steppe
let the record reflect that i'm neither that stupid nor that inebriated, i just choose to be that way
sly remnant
@true fable your zag spear would be 9th place on the leaderboard btw
mossy zinc
dont heat the players time game the
Inspiration for a future Monthly Challenge, perhaps. I could use that as the flavor text.
gaunt fiber
It should be the first rule
mossy zinc
The challenge is figuring out what the hell the challenge is.
dire steppe
what would that monthly challenge be. start with overflowing cup, take only dio boons, take a shot every time you get a dio boon
cyan stag
Me likey
dire steppe
The challenge is figuring out what the hell the challenge is.
modded challenge, it's a scavenger hunt where clues are hidden inside pots in certain room shapes and you have to find them in order, you have to route to get them. thus the challenge is figuring out what the challenge is
gaunt fiber
kinda glad that Nyaanyaa is in charge
rain sedge
/r/brandnewsentence
true fable
lol
sly remnant
lol
mossy zinc
kinda glad that Nyaanyaa is in charge
true fable
oh no
astaos' code is compromised
time to shut down the bot
o7 youve served us well
sly remnant
remote > guanyubot > shutdown > immediate
gaunt fiber
no dont
sly remnant
too late
gaunt fiber
Beeeep
dire steppe
next monthly challenge: speedrun at any heat level, but that heat level must be your ambient temperature in fahrenheit
mfw 9 heat speedruns
waxen relic
alright somebody tell me real quick how i do 80 heat when i have time for the challenge next week
sly remnant
Guan yu guan yu, give me your 2 hp
i'm half crazy, all for the love of ZZZZZZzzzzzzzzz
rain sedge
I got 2 mins, it's EM3
sly remnant
for a 5 sac
sly remnant
you pull it off?
sly remnant
oh f
sly remnant
ye
tidal flame
Git
rain sedge
and either 1) I'm crazy and making excuses
or 2) that invul went for a second
and he swiped me
I was next to him prepping the special
sly remnant
that happens sometimes
sly remnant
ye lernie does it sometimes too
with the slam
i don't get close to dad in high heat on invuln phases for the reason unless its like 32 or 40
rain sedge
I saw the long invul phase on theseus on some speedrunners stream
but I've never seen the short one
well
sly remnant
the invuln phase is......inconsistent to say the least
rain sedge
it was a 5 sac anyway, I lost interest
I didn't have extra DD or any good hermes boon
gaunt fiber
still the hottest
rain sedge
I'll do it another time
I'll keep my distance next time
at least it happens at 46, imagine the salt if it happens on 56
true fable
overdosing on that copium there schad
mossy zinc
next monthly challenge: speedrun at any heat level, but that heat level must be ...
-1 your opponent's Heat or do a slower time on the same Heat, starting at 64.
true fable
weve all been there
gaunt fiber
I'm afraid I don't
mossy zinc
alright somebody tell me real quick how i do 80 heat when i have time for the ch...
You should ask @daring hedge for help with Heat that high. He has experience and can tell you what version to downgrade to.
mossy zinc
<@!238040913715265537> do you have the copium emote
You do know it is only an act when @gaunt fiber emotes?
He does not really have emotions.
gaunt fiber
shy plinth
@gaunt fiber what am I doing
gaunt fiber
I don't know?
mossy zinc
I don't know?
vital grove
Damn I can't do it
Tried my hardest with doom hangover chiron, lost to timer
46 is where I get off 😑
gaunt fiber
Try Guan Yu
sly remnant
push the time phoenix
vital grove
Meh
I'll try hestia tomorrow
With a weirder pact lol
It's probably my easiest try at a 46
Do I dare take skull in Elysium and Styx with it? Or is it acorn
Sad about the Chiron
Got nausea somehow
opal token
If you sell Hermes boons to UC, will you see 2 more Hermes to make up for it or still just 1
opal token
Yes sorry that’s what I meant
sly remnant
yep. you can't give yourself hermes slots back
vital grove
What are the chances people push speed rather than heat i started a pretty good run lol
Got to Elysium anyway, with deadly strike and not much else.
vital grove
Have to stop for today tho
bronze viper
Speed and heat aren't that different at that heat level. You have to play quickly and efficiently either way
gaunt fiber
My time is not amazing but it's easy to go a bit slower than that
mossy zinc
yep. you can't give yourself hermes slots back
You can if you also walk into traps or magma.
sly remnant
lol true
sly remnant
if (time == hard)
{
heat += 1;
}
mossy zinc
See, I have no idea what that means because m not a bot.
vital grove
I wouldve had it on a 2 sack is the bad part, oh well I'll do it for myself if someone does it before
sly remnant
my 40 heat had a small chance at beating brights time if that happened for me too phoenix
i feel your pain
mossy zinc
What are the chances people push speed rather than heat i started a pretty good ...
I think that will happen more again as Heat goes up. Trying to one-up any 50+ Heat is gonna be difficult.
I could be wrong.
bronze viper
That's phase 1. Phase 2 is when you're questioning the actual physical possibility of it happening with +1 pact
mossy zinc
Highlighting the hottest and the fastest was actually something @shy plinth did, wasn't part of my original design for the challenge. But it seems fun.
rain sedge
lemme get that +1 heat without getting swiped at dad
mossy zinc
It's kinda fun that people are trying to think of ways to beat Bright01's time while the Heat is still going up lol.
sly remnant
its gonna take a god run at this point
mossy zinc
Hmm?
bronze viper
Nvm, misread
mossy zinc
But the situation itself is not something that would have occured without the challenge.
sly remnant
ye
mossy zinc
Like, you wouldn't have thought about beating a 33 Heat 10:09 at 45+.
mossy zinc
You know how to play other aspects.
gaunt fiber
Imagine playing only one aspect
sly remnant
doubtful
i can wheelchair other aspects
over the finish line
and do you want the beo heat record to go up or not
mossy zinc
I imagine you think Hestia is the most likely aspect to do it?
lusty mirage
But the situation itself is not something that would have occured without the ch...
i was kinda trying to engineer a situation like this, but my 12 heat 10:xx was fastest at that point
that's why i had a 33 ready to roll any 32 that showed up
mossy zinc
My attitude towards records like that has always been if I want to beat something, and I think some strategy is optimal for that, I don't wait for somebody else to do it with that strategy.
rain sedge
what's the beo heat record again?
agile obsidian
Can I submit a 32 heat run on the high heat leaderboard?
mossy zinc
Yes.
sly remnant
its hestia or rama
mossy zinc
It filters out anything below 32, but 32+ is fine.
sly remnant
altho tbh i'm not sure enough people are good enough with rama
agile obsidian
Im working on getting a 40 heat run so I'll just wait to submit that
I can only do victory screens tho
Cant record on a switch
mossy zinc
You could practice with Rama and go for it.
sly remnant
i don't want to
agile obsidian
Rama op
sly remnant
i actually think rama is quite well balanced
sly remnant
hestia is the least hammer and boon dependent aspect in the game
so it is very good at high heat
agile obsidian
Yeah the only hammer which is really good on hestia is ricochet
The rest really dont matter
rain sedge
no he wants to do high heat
agile obsidian
oh
rain sedge
he's trihex, I'm a big fan of his stream and personality
agile obsidian
Well thats normally decent except for CP
rain sedge
sir, it's RI2 at 21 heat
daring hedge
that circle is like, an eye tracking thing iirc
agile obsidian
tru
gaunt fiber
Would it work for Ledger tho?
bronze viper
lol
ripe crane
RI2 and CP2 on for 20 heat... Trihex why...
agile obsidian
What build should I use for hades spear at 32. Its my favorite aspect for spear but I keep dying to hades
mossy zinc
I'll take Piercing Fire over Ricochet Fire.
Unblockable, piercing, +50% armor damage, and you can hit 3 or more enemies. Ricochet Fire hits 2.
solemn pulsar
dammit
i forgot to take 46 heat
o well, on the board at least
also wanted to beat bright's time
sad
inb4 hestia ez
mossy zinc
What build should I use for hades spear at 32. Its my favorite aspect for spear ...
Deadly Strike.
Serrated Point or Exploding Launcher are both really good.
sly remnant
cgull is a v good hestia player
mossy zinc
Massive Spin > Quick Spin.
agile obsidian
I think mabye I just need to play it a bit safer with the hades fight
agile obsidian
Serrated Point or Exploding Launcher are both really good.
I normally try and get spin hammers first
Then I try aiming for serrated point
mossy zinc
Serrated Point and Exploding Launcher should be priority.
agile obsidian
Is exploding launcher a special hammer?
solemn pulsar
cgull is a v good hestia player
Thx. If I had just taken HS...
agile obsidian
How does that help hades aspect?
daring hedge
huge damage after spinning
rain sedge
What build should I use for hades spear at 32. Its my favorite aspect for spear ...
explosive launcher
mossy zinc
Hades Aspect gets +150% Special damage.
daring hedge
punishing sweep boosts attack and special yeah
rain sedge
p l e a s e tell me you know what hades aspect does
agile obsidian
Yeah ik but I didnt know how much damage exploding launcher does
Even with the spin the special feels underwhelming
agile obsidian
it's 50 base and you don't need to recall anymore
Oh wow
mossy zinc
Exploding Launcher is 50 base damage in an AOE, and you don't have to recall your Special anymore. That makes the Special actually usable.
rain sedge
the point of exploding launcher is that you play the spear as a ranged weapon
agile obsidian
This sounds a bit like GY special
mossy zinc
Wow, even my message got barrel-rolled by @daring hedge. 
rain sedge
which allows a lot of otherwise unviable safe strats
daring hedge
the point of exploding launcher is that you play the spear as a ranged weapon
not always, dash-strike to special weaving is good with exploding launcher
i usually stay pretty close
agile obsidian
Can I get exploding plus charged skewer?
mossy zinc
Guan Yu's Special is basically Exploding Launcher but with piercing, yeah.
mossy zinc
You can get Charged Skewer and then Exploding Launcher, but you can't get Exploding Launcher and then Charged Skewer.
daring hedge
Can I get exploding plus charged skewer?
only if you get charged skewer first, weirdly
gaunt fiber
Got him
mossy zinc
only if you get charged skewer first, weirdly
I won this time.
daring hedge
lol
rain sedge
if you are at a skill level where you're having difficulty with 32 hades clear, and just want to clear it, the exploding launcher + always being at range strat is the easiest strat to do it
lusty mirage
new reaction time barely missed nyaanyaa's https://postimg.cc/V5rY54KL
rain sedge
again, no diss, just my assessment
daring hedge
fair enough
rain sedge
sure you can do an optimised DPS rotation
but if you just want to clear? do exploding launcher and range it, take FO1
mossy zinc
new reaction time barely missed nyaanyaa's https://postimg.cc/V5rY54KL
A miss is a miss.
gaunt fiber
Brain grindind reaction time instead of heat somehow
daring hedge
it's a lot safer than serrated overall
rain sedge
in fact I think my 40 hades spear is exploding launcher? maybe?
I can imagine it's something casuals like me do
agile obsidian
What special god should I get(i assume artemis)
daring hedge
yeah
agile obsidian
k
daring hedge
heartbreak flourish is decent too
rain sedge
32 heat exploding launcher, I prefer aphrodite
agile obsidian
I feel like for almost every weapon artemis is the go to
agile obsidian
32 heat exploding launcher, I prefer aphrodite
For the weak?
rain sedge
it's more consistently one shotting enemies, better pom scaling
basically
this is my opinion
and I know people will argue with this
gaunt fiber
Heart rend is nice to get and easy to apply with exploding too
daring hedge
deadly flourish has a solid +% compared to strike though
mossy zinc
It's technically response time + input lag. Reaction time is just the psychological part of it. Response time is reaction time + movement time.
rain sedge
artemis is more DPS overall, and inarguably better at bosses
daring hedge
and 20% crit is huge
agile obsidian
Yeah mabye aphro on attack and arty on special
rain sedge
however most people have difficulties at normal biome, especially getting out of tartarus
getting a consistent huge +% on your special allows you a more consistent AOE clear on enemies
agile obsidian
At 32 with hades my only problems are a) timing out and b) dying to hades
rain sedge
and allows a lot of one shots on most boons
mossy zinc
You can't really go wrong with either. Deadly will get you more damage, but Heartbreak applies Weak.
rain sedge
what I'm saying is
agile obsidian
aight
rain sedge
if I have to do 50 heat with hades spear, with CP2 on, I'll take artemis
agile obsidian
ok
rain sedge
however, we're trying to help you get to 32 no matter what
daring hedge
hmm optimal would've had special and attack boons swapped there
agile obsidian
I might switch and go aphro in on attack and arty on special
rain sedge
which is why I recommend heartbreak flourish with explosive launcher
mossy zinc
Heartbreak benefits a lot more from poms than Deadly, so you can get some easy early poms on it.
rain sedge
because that's the easiest, low-roll way of clearing it
agile obsidian
This is very hammer dependent tho
Im just going to keep resetting until I get first chamber hammer
rain sedge
we can argue the "optimal" way to clear it is serrated point with hunter dash, but we're just trying to help you get the clear
I dont recommend charged and exploding
agile obsidian
we can argue the "optimal" way to clear it is serrated point with hunter dash, b...
Im not that good
rain sedge
you'd be weak until elysium
agile obsidian
So yeah
rain sedge
I say just reset until you get exploding and get that 100+ % extra special damage
DC0 CP0, one shot enemies, stay at 1200 range, call it a day
daring hedge
+150%
agile obsidian
Im gonna do aphro keepsake in tart and arty in asphodel
rain sedge
that's assuming your goal is to clear the heat, not to get good enough to do 40+ heat with that aspect
mossy zinc
Well, high DPS builds make up for lower survivability by just killing everything faster. They're not necessarily more difficult to make work, they can be easier.
agile obsidian
And I've gotten infinitely better at em3 at 32 heat
rain sedge
because then we'll have a different discussion
agile obsidian
that's assuming your goal is to clear the heat, not to get good enough to do 40+...
not right now lol
Im trying to get 40 with eris as like a side thing
mossy zinc
Like, Eris with a speedrun build imo is way easier than putting Divine Dash on it.
rain sedge
no, that's a bad mentality. your keepsake at ashpodel is athena. when you get out of tartarus, DPS is no longer the issue at 32 heat, it's your survivability
or rather that's my impression from what you've said
rain sedge
you can clear hades at 32 with just exploding launcher and heartbreak flourish with good rarity/a few poms
mossy zinc
Owl Pendant in Asphodel is always a good pick until like 50+.
rain sedge
Owl Pendant in Asphodel is always a good pick until like 50+.
this
mossy zinc
Divine Dash and DDs help a lot.
rain sedge
So athena in asphodel?
if you don't get it naturally at tartarus, yes
agile obsidian
ooh yeah for the extra sd and more health
rain sedge
hades aspect isnt an aspect with DPS problem. it's 150% extra damage
your problem from what I understand what you said is survivability
agile obsidian
Dont have it leveled up all the way so thats what im going to do
rain sedge
therefore, I suggested a build that will work, with TD3, with literally just 1 boon and 1 hammer