So hoarding double edge is probably insane?
#h1-high-heat-strategies
vital grove
true fable
silk blaze
Double nova seems more consistent, world splitter becomes unga bunga because I have epic deadly strike and nemesis
fallow stream
I haven't gone higher than 32 with sword yet
bronze viper
Arguing between sword hammers is like arguing over the half eaten burger and stale french fries.
gaunt fiber
Retrash what are you top hammer picks on Zag? Or at least which ones do not kill the run?
daring hedge
sword's basic combo base damage is honestly kinda low and splitter makes you just do huge chop
it's nice
true fable
CHOP
silk blaze
Might just do that for the meme chop anyway
vital grove
I love the chop on nemesis with crits
fallow stream
You have to understand @true fable
I'll try complete nonsense just to see how effective it is, even when I know heart rend is the best build
north dove
yeah, it's good\
gaunt fiber
takes notes
daring hedge
yes
vital grove
This is hades everything is viable
vital grove
Hazard Eris tho
north dove
I'm also a fan of cruel thrust on zag sword even though people think it's a meme hammer
true fable
cruel thrust is big dam
gaunt fiber
I like it too, just attack
fallow stream
World splitter too difficult to land hits... I miss constantly standing at point blank range
true fable
why are we talking about sword hammers
gaunt fiber
Auto aim
daring hedge
because they're weird
fallow stream
why *are* we talking about sword hammers
Because someone asked what hammers affect dash strikes... And it degenerated from there
gaunt fiber
Cursed slash with flurry can't be that bad right?
silk blaze
I claim responsibility
true fable
i just go dedge and piercing wave > all for swords and call it a day
breaching is fine
daring hedge
Cursed slash with flurry can't be that bad right?
good luck empty dashing with HL5 FO2
true fable
apparently hoarding is fine
fallow stream
Cursed slash with flurry can't be that bad right?
I like it... Dunno how viable it is at super high heat.. but it's fun at 32
silk blaze
Also, I think I found a case where I have too much movement speed
gaunt fiber
good luck empty dashing with HL5 FO2
I'm a gamer now. Or soon I will be
fallow stream
I actually find movement speed to be detrimental in almost all instances except boss fights
true fable
far too many movemend speeds
daring hedge
i like speed builds that get so fast you outrun your cast stone trying to return to you after the timer
gaunt fiber
Pog
silk blaze
I sort of want to show the build I'm about to lose to em3 with
fallow stream
i like speed builds that get so fast you outrun your cast stone trying to return...
That's what I do with lightning rod and hyper sprint 😂
Trail of death
true fable
hyper sprint
is still quite good
its bonus movement speed
and
for anyone who didnt know
gaunt fiber
Run away from your problem fast
dire steppe
30% dr
true fable
it also reduces damage
opal token
I just want to be able to outrun asterius charge and see how many laps we can do together
daring hedge
get his ass bright
true fable
:^)
dire steppe
I just want to be able to outrun asterius charge and see how many laps we can do...
kill him with only lightning rfeflexedescsl
daring hedge
lmao
daring hedge
haha yeah imagine not knowing that for a long time
true fable
crazy
gaunt fiber
Imagine the game actually explaining how it works
halcyon flame
since i'm done with 32 heat what do you suggest i do
fallow stream
Another stupidly fun move with asterius.. get passion dash and hyper sprint with unhealthy fixation... Stay close enough while he running laps with you to trigger charm, and he will break off and smash Theseus
dire steppe
24 aspects all heat
opal token
All aspects using only thunder dash
fallow stream
32 heat all aspects
This would require me to use non Hades spear. No. 😂
true fable
tailesque is this one of your disciples
true fable
exactly
true fable
LOL
gaunt fiber
It can be tough
fallow stream
My favourite fun build was dire memefortune on Lucifer aspect
With eternal chamber
shy plinth
Monthly challenge starting to get hot
@sly remnant 11:36? 5 minutes slower than the WR lul git gud
fallow stream
Are speed runs measured by in game clear time, or actual real world time?
daring hedge
"I am slow" lol tyler
true fable
depends on the category
shy plinth
The boards usually show both
true fable
anyheat, 32 heat, 40 heat and 50 heat are both IGT and RTA
daring hedge
multi wep categories are usually RTA focused
true fable
though igt is usually all anyone pays attention to
gaunt fiber
RTA stinky
daring hedge
idk IGT stinkier
true fable
yeh multi weaps and charon% are both RTA by the nature of it
im with tailesque on this one
IGT is just farming RNG
daring hedge
like i'm not good at RTA and all i could run were IGT categories for a while
but i still like RTA more
gaunt fiber
But you need a splitter and everything
true fable
would you run a 32 heat 3 weaps or all weaps category
daring hedge
i'd be down for that
sly remnant
ye
my tartarus was ass
i chicken'd out and did Thick Skin
and then got every single witch room
sly remnant
wasn't yours 25?
daring hedge
astaos that's how the barrel roll challenge works
you either raise heat by one or go faster at the same heat
ripe crane
I wanna do this challenge
gaunt fiber
He went faster and added one heat
daring hedge
26
agile obsidian
ok
shy plinth
It'll be 27 in about 10 minutes
daring hedge
lol
gaunt fiber
I mean you just had to fulfill one condition
So we could have kept the heat cool a bit more
sly remnant
i mean someone can have a 30 minute 27 heat if they want
shy plinth
I gotta get my name on the board before real heat runners start doing this
true fable
can i do a 40 heat zag spear and hold onto it until we get there
true fable
dang
sly remnant
its gotta be within 24 hours
true fable
dang maybe i should read them rules
gaunt fiber
i mean someone can have a 30 minute 27 heat if they want
Sure, it just would have been fun to have many 25 
daring hedge
i hope 32 ends up like that
daring hedge
10 32s all getting faster and faster
silk blaze
So it's a 1-up challenge of people passing each other
bronze viper
So it's a 1-up challenge of people passing each other
This channel in a nutshell
silk blaze
That's fair
gaunt fiber
i hope 32 ends up like that
Yeah definitely!
bronze viper
Minus Tailesque, who has ascended to a higher state of being
silk blaze
Might get a few hundred more hours in this game so I can get to where y'all are at
rain sedge
lmfao the comments
"How did the guy below me speedrun with this **** weapon"
it was brain with guan yu
xD
this seems to be a fun challenge to do meme builds
like
the vengeful mood build
and afk on every room
true fable
i want to see if i can get sub 9 zag spear on 32 heat when i get home
rain sedge
why do you people insist on blaspheming eris
shy plinth
What do you mean you people >:3
rain sedge
🍽️ 🎩 🧂
shy plinth
I meant to do something else but got natural Demeter and said hey wait a minute
silk blaze
Slightly better that it's a pivot
agile obsidian
Hestia 32 heat lets get this
shy plinth
You were faster than me!
rain sedge
well
at least you have the lightning strike
so it's just like a normal eris build with extra stuff
shy plinth
Yes
rain sedge
and cluster delta
shy plinth
Video is uploading
rain sedge
I'll join the fun in an hour or two I guess
imma try the revenge build
and AFK at dad
shy plinth
You're just in that kind of mood eh
gaunt fiber
How is Eris with drunken strike Schad?
rain sedge
!badbot
gaunt fiber
true fable
silly astaos schad doesnt make builds
real talk i think drunken strike eris could be quite good
shy plinth
I think there's an opportunity there
shy plinth
Now I have splitting headache rocket bomb dreams
Because you know what rocket bomb needed? More damage
gaunt fiber
silly astaos schad doesnt make builds
He's the delta chamber dude
true fable
true
vital grove
Shoot gun at faces
vital grove
I know it doesn't sound like advice but that's what you do.
agile obsidian
Right thats kinda hard when they're all attacking me at the same time
agile obsidian
Focus one by one
With crits?
agile obsidian
ok
vital grove
Use dash to dodge while reloading
sly remnant
have you considered splash dash start with hestia
agile obsidian
have you considered splash dash start with hestia
Had that on my first run
Im going to try rama now
vital grove
I usually run fiery presence and Arty attack it's a lot of damage
vital grove
Yeah and if you have to tank a small hit whatever right?
Just make sure you remove the heads quickly
Hey question for controller folk
Have you considered remapping attack to R1?
rain sedge
How can I beat lernie effectively with hestia?
with hestia you have the advantage of playing at huge range
identify the head that spawns first and its location, and try to burst it down by pre-casting special and cast on it and your attacks
then dodge the main head, you can afford to play it slow
identify blue heads, and focus it down first
true fable
schad you sure know a lot for a casual
rain sedge
while dodging the main head
vital grove
Precast and special doesn't work with fiery presence tho
rain sedge
and just maintain your distance from the other heads, most heads you can outrange with hestia
vital grove
If your cast hits before the first hit you're not getting the big chunky Shot boost.
true fable
fiery is mostly useful for one shotting things in tart anywho
agile obsidian
Lets go first chamber ricochet fire
rain sedge
your mentality shouldn't be "I want to kill this as quickly as I could" but more like "I want to identify the dangers to my survival and eliminate them calmly and calculatedly"
true fable
for side heads, most of them will do their main attack as soon as they come out of the lava
agile obsidian
ok
true fable
if youre near blue heads they will slam on spawn
rain sedge
are you doing all aspects 32 pengy?
true fable
so be mindful of that
rain sedge
oh I lost track
true fable
if youre near wavemaker heads they will always make wave on spawn
agile obsidian
Tartarus is easy
rain sedge
good luck, it takes some practice but you got this
true fable
so make sure you have dashes to avoid
vital grove
Hestia is good for that, you'll get it.
rain sedge
I assume you already have people look at your pacts etc
agile obsidian
So is asphodel(kinda)
true fable
if tart is easy i would take shadow tbh
true fable
more value over the course of a run
rain sedge
schad you sure know a lot for a casual
I'm a casual gamer :3
compared to the people here
you're not a casual, you damn poser
stop appropriating my status
rain sedge
if tart is easy i would take shadow tbh
tbh it's more value for good players, but for beginners just take fiery
true fable
we are both casual gamers
rain sedge
calculating backstabs are hard when you have to focus on everything else
rain sedge
we have the same highest heat
ya but your gameplay is so much smoother
and you have more accomplishment than me
rain sedge
I'm just aware at my skill level comparative to others
rain sedge
bright sir you're a respected speedrunner, and you did 24x40 easier than me
true fable
50 = 50 =50 thats how it works
rain sedge
I'm just a blue name at discord
true fable
i dont make the rules of this channel
rain sedge
talking about high heat
time to do that cute hestia 54
which would make me tied on 6th place for highest heat
very tempting
vital grove
What's your pact gonna be for 54?
agile obsidian
NOOOOOOOOOOO MINOTAUR HAD LIKE BARELY ANY HEALTH LEFT
THESEUS FRICKING MACHINE GUNN
ripe crane
What's your pact gonna be for 54?
My guess is everything but EM4, RI3/4, and DC
vital grove
Sounds doable for the world's best casual player
rain sedge
that's the pact yea
just died to lernie despite my 4 divine dashes
blue heads too strong
sly remnant
snake hard
agile obsidian
I literally cannot beat this heat
Ive done four attempts and Ive not made it past the heroes yet
true fable
go again
bronze viper
If you're getting frustrated maybe leave it alone for a bit and come back. Let your experience percolate
gaunt fiber
I have a different approach : try until your hands bleed
shy plinth
What's the highest heat you've done before
stiff aurora
I only did 32. I prohably could have gotten more but I totally need to do em4 at 32 heat first
bronze viper
That's bold. I'd rather do 40 than 32 w/ EM4
stiff aurora
I really like the em4 fight though
I should prohably not do fo1 though, it makes the last phase pretty hard
mossy zinc
so make sure you have dashes to avoid
Wow, you solved high heat. Brilliant.
gaunt fiber
Wait that's actually what I was missing
rain sedge
I was just doing some hestia streams
it wasn't anything interesting
I stream mainly to record easily
I'm not a successful strimmer like @true fable
ripe crane
Bright hosted me once and it's the only time my stream actually had people in it
rain sedge
viewbotting can get you banned crepes, careful
opal token
I bet I could do it with Lucifer lol
true fable
im only successful because i stream consistently
both of you two stream once every blue moon
spiral island
Heya
ripe crane
Who are you
ripe crane
Where's bouldy
rain sedge
No idea how I will ever get Lucifer with td3
all I hear is triple bomb
agile obsidian
Special spam for the win
rain sedge
triple bomb makes lucifer an aspect, without it it's just a zag rail with less ammo
agile obsidian
This makes me appreciate people who run 40+ heat
rain sedge
you'll be one of them soon
rain sedge
just savour that feeling of accomplishment and victory, you deserve it
32 heat is hard
rain sedge
after you're ready then grind again
rain sedge
Rama special spam for the win
somewhere, tail is shedding a tear
agile obsidian
lmao
I posted my build in victory boasting
I tried like 4 runs before with hestia which didnt exactly work out and then went back to rama
agile obsidian
my build lol
rain sedge
I legit had to rub my eyes to check that it's an acorn not a shackle
agile obsidian
Also hades spin attack was scary from boiling blood and HL
Didnt do em3 bcs died the first time I did it
I wonder how normal heat is going to feel like now
rain sedge
oh I missed the part where you chose CP2 JS2 instead of EM3
agile obsidian
Yeah I did em3 the first time and got deleted so
Theseus machine gun ate thru my acorn
wintry horizon
He's pretty easy to learn to avoid, but I guess an unlucky placement of his machine gun could be bad.
true fable
cf2 victory screens are always so funny to me
shy plinth
I've started playing without CF on and honestly it's a breath of fresh air
You just get to like... buy stuff
When you want it
true fable
i just look at the two columns of boons and think "RI"
before catching that cf2 just chillin
agile obsidian
Your next closest weapon is an 11?
Yeah
shy plinth
That is a fairly enormous jump
agile obsidian
Yeah might as well jump in the deep end
shy plinth
Working your way up def makes it feel a little less stressful
agile obsidian
Idk
shy plinth
But hey if you got there nice job
agile obsidian
For the memes
agile obsidian
I had quite a bit of failed attempts
shy plinth
Yeah that kind of jump didn't work for me
agile obsidian
Im going to now try and get 32 heat with all weapons
shy plinth
Your experience was def different
agile obsidian
Its going to take a while but I want to do it
opal token
If you can do it with that Rama build
I have faith you can do it with anything. Also love that you have JS2 over EM3. Just make things as hard as possible
rain sedge
Im going to now try and get 32 heat with all weapons
this is a good mentality
bronze viper
Just looked at his 32 rama build. Oh no lol. This went wrong in so many ways :3. That's not a disparaging comment, you still completed the run.
ripe crane
It's more impressive that way
rain sedge
it's like that hadesprofessor 50 eris run
opal token
Yeah, just shows how bad I am at this game. Lol
agile obsidian
Just looked at his 32 rama build. Oh no lol. This went wrong in so many ways :...
I was terrified, nervous, and had literally no idea what I was doing
Next weapon Im probably going to use is shield
feels like a pretty safe weapon
opal token
Do I want tidal dash on gilga...that sounds annoying
gaunt fiber
it works
silk blaze
I think chaos doom special is a thing?
gaunt fiber
works well until you butcher your mirror/have to take CF2 and/or AP
agile obsidian
Yeah I had CF2 on in my rama run
And Im not taking approval process
So what cast should I go for in beo?
At 32
opal token
The 1 cast thing? I don’t find it necessary
agile obsidian
I mean dio takes forever for the cast to come back
opal token
Cool.
Yeah I just use 1-2 at a time out of 3 for Dio Beowulf.
Not the resident expert haha
agile obsidian
1 cast is fine for stygian dio
Yeah Im relying on chaos boons
sly remnant
If you are building dio correctly the heroes fight will last 5 seconds
sly remnant
I would not take cf2
agile obsidian
I dont find it that bad
sly remnant
Nah skip js
agile obsidian
Like not put any in js?
shy plinth
I'll defer to Tyler here but at 32 I would look at HL5 LC4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM FO1 TD3
UC can be swapped in over JS1 and like a HL or something
agile obsidian
BP2?
shy plinth
Benefits package
sly remnant
Ye that looks about right
shy plinth
The non-UC pact just means you get max boons
agile obsidian
Yeah but BP2?
agile obsidian
ok lol
shy plinth
I might be wrong though
sly remnant
If you are comfortable you can drop BP2 for BP1 FO2
agile obsidian
Ive been runnign bp1 this whole time
shy plinth
Yeah I mean bp2 is harder but getting used to it def helps
Cloners and ghosts aren't anywhere near as big of a problem if you have a giant cast explosion
sly remnant
Savior tho :/
shy plinth
Savior sucks
shy plinth
FO2 instead?
sly remnant
Ye
shy plinth
Makes sense
sly remnant
But only if you are used to it
agile obsidian
FO2 for me is fine until the minotaur
shy plinth
Could go superdad
agile obsidian
I run Fo2 with eris because of how quickly I delete people
But the minotaur rush and swings are kinda hard on other weapons at FO2
sly remnant
You have a big plate that you can hide behind
Ye em4 is an option
Beo owns the fight
But not unless you are comfortable imo
agile obsidian
You have a big plate that you can hide behind
tru
Im not doing em4
yet
How tf am I supposed to do fists at 32 heat?
sly remnant
FO0 UC BP2
shy plinth
FO1 is totally fine on fists tbh
Just go deadly reversal demeter
Athena on attack and dash, you'll be fine
sly remnant
You can do FO1 too
shy plinth
HL2 LC4 JS1 EM3 BP2 MM FO1 TD3 CF1 UC is what I did I think
agile obsidian
What about ME?
shy plinth
ME is fine but deflect on attack and dash is safer
I like ME too, just harder to get and your build doesn't really do anything until you get it
gaunt fiber
Playing ME comes with a curse
agile obsidian
ok and then arty on special
shy plinth
Yeah
gaunt fiber
It eats your soul away
shy plinth
Also that
gaunt fiber
slowly
shy plinth
Though I love a good ME Gilga run
My first 32 clear was ME Gilga except I had approval process turned on
And got proc blocked 3 times
sly remnant
You can also do DC2 for fists and find the one heat somewhere else for FO0
I like the ZAP build for fists
shy plinth
Oh yeah zeus attack artie special?
sly remnant
Yep
agile obsidian
Im considering eris or hestia for rail
Im starting to get more used to hestia(died 4 times in an attempt to get 32 heat) but am more comfortable with eris
sly remnant
Eris 32 is good
shy gulch
hestia is the easiest high heat weapon imo
just get into the habit of reloading after every shot
agile obsidian
just get into the habit of reloading after every shot
I do that
ripe crane
_ _
agile obsidian
Its just I feel it has very low aoe
shy gulch
if you’re more comfortable with eris however, you might want to stick with it
comfort is important
gaunt fiber
^
agile obsidian
Yeah I reload every shot and its feeling a bit better
shy gulch
maybe do a couple more runs w hestia and see how they go
shy plinth
Also both of those weapons are totally good enough to get there
shy gulch
for sure
agile obsidian
I like hestia(I feel like a sniper) but I think im just gonna try a few with eris
shy plinth
Not free
gaunt fiber
free win basically
shy plinth
Included
ripe crane
Bout to do that 28 heat challenge
gaunt fiber
Bout to do that 28 heat challenge
Boonless?
ripe crane
n0
opal token
Weird. I’ve done almost all the fists at FO2 now. Oops, I guess?
I still have LC0 tho. Playing the game without healing just doesn’t jive with me.
gaunt fiber
FO2 is tough for Malphon but good pactice
opal token
There’s just multiple boons and mechanics built around healing
shy plinth
FO2 just lets the enemies run into your punches faster
opal token
It could be why Gilga has sucked tho haha
ripe crane
That's the best Elyseum luck I've ever had. Every room was almost entirely witches
I saw one chariot, maybe 5 dead dudes and flame wheels once
ripe crane
Sounds cool and good
dire steppe
we need croven's opinion
i have no idea how you'd set up the controls or whatever tbh
tacit dragon
Hi, what pacts should I get for 16 heat
I am planning to get twins fists with demeter aspect, as well as a demeter boon later on
gaunt fiber
Nice going on the sheet guys
ripe crane
Tight deadline 2, forced overtime 1, middle management, benefits package 1, underworld customs, extreme measures 2, damage control 2. Something like that I guess
sly remnant
Nice going on the sheet guys
Cast go brrr
dire steppe
imagine if AP2 applied to story rooms
edgy arrow
it applying to purging pools would be worse imo
ripe crane
Apply it to both of those. And Charon shops
And the fountain/keepsake shrine/charon pool at the end of each area. Like you can only use one of those 3 things
ripe crane
And main menu options. Oops, was "play" locked out? Guess you have to read that patch notes again
edgy arrow
lmao
night forge
does after party gets affected by LC?
edgy arrow
yup
mossy cape
https://imgur.com/YmiKYXi
I did it people. Chiron + Dio = domination
@gaunt fiber thanks for the yesterday's tip. I thought jury summons was no big deal, but it turned out so much easier without it
gaunt fiber
You're welcome. 
This pact condition is usually underestimated indeed
And Congrats for the clear!
halcyon flame
imagine if AP2 applied to story rooms
50 heat
dangerously low health
patty shows up
touch of styx is crossed out by ap2
hydralite is the only choice
stiff aurora
When you get athena do you prioritize extra lifes or dash first?
halcyon flame
you can't get dds from athena if you don't get the dash to begin with
it's a prereq
stiff aurora
https://i.imgur.com/WSvmLBj.png I'm trying a new heatsetup for 32 heat em4. I want to try specing out of FO entirely. I need more than 1 definace for the hades fight, so LC4 is out and I'm too slow for td3. Can I do any better than this?
I'm doing low tolerance chiron
waxen relic
Seems reasonable for the goal
edgy arrow
yeah seems reasonable to me
DC2 is actually worse than it sounds for heart rend chiron, but for low tolerance it’s manageable in my experience
stiff aurora
fml I only got my attack and specail boons in tartarus
oh well at least I can safely take rarity at euridice
stiff aurora
I could have gone for a demeter room but there are like 2 good boons from her
edgy arrow
yeah i would’ve gone for it
she’ll prolly give you something bad, but you’re just gonna sell it anyway so who cares
it’s just to protect your good boons
UC is generally fairly manageable if you keep it in mind
stiff aurora
yeah I mostly forgot about it
wait you can't sell nourished soul?
rip hypersprint
gaunt fiber
You can't sell boons that grant you an instant benefit
Or rather that do something upon pick up
Rare crop, Nourished Soul, Premium Vintage, Sunken Treasure
stiff aurora
I mostly just got too littlew boons in general this run
I never got to sell a bad boon that run lol
halcyon flame
is the damage increase from beowulf multiplicative? like say i have hl5 on, do i effectively take 20% more damage because of it?
edgy arrow
lol i feel like i should know the answer to that, but i actually don’t
not for sure anyway
my guess would be additive, since hades’ boiling blood + HL5 is additive
halcyon flame
wait hades' boiling blood is additive???
i mean i'm not complaining, 120 damage from a spin is better than 160 damage from a spin
gaunt fiber
Cast + thrust combo 
sly remnant
I... don't know the answer to that beo question.
halcyon flame
honestly abyssal blood would be way worse than boiling blood
instead of making you take more damage he literally halves your damage output
absolutely awful on td3
halcyon flame
the boiling blood mirror talent makes you deal 50% more damage
dire steppe
do you know what abyssal blood does
halcyon flame
hades' boiling blood is 2x as strong so by that logic abyssal blood would reduce your damage and movement speed by 60%
waxen relic
Is Asterius' Charge affected by a movement debuff?
true fable
i believe affected by chill and KF if thats what you mean
waxen relic
I think Chill is among the stuff that decreases Attackspeed too
vital grove
Target from rail hammer, chill, consecration aura and Numbness from hangover should all slow him
And probably explosive fire or whichever it is that slows
rain sedge
I hear today is the weekend
and if it's the weekend I heard @daring hedge will stream
dire steppe
i wonder what baj is up to these days
tidal flame
better be
agile obsidian
I literally cannot get past the furies with beo at 32
I dont know what Im doing wrong
true fable
o yeah it is the weekend
agile obsidian
I have tried like 6 times Ive made it once to the hydra
gaunt fiber
I have tried like 6 times Ive made it once to the hydra
I recommend discovering other aspects
at like lower heats to begin with
agile obsidian
Yeah
Im trying to do it with hestia right now bcs I dont think it will be too much of a problem with it
shy plinth
Beo is one of the most skill testing weapons in the game if not the most skill testing
It's either that or Rama I think
If you're good at it you can do anything but the learning curve is so steep
waxen relic
Not my experience with it. But i played ZShield for a whole month before using it
gaunt fiber
There is a world where ME does not exist
I could argue the same way for Beo tho
Shield, free bossing, huge damage without much effort
shy plinth
Yeah just feels like Beo has a lot more depth and specificity to the play style
There's not really anything else like it
agile obsidian
Yeah beo is hard to use
somber oracle
i just did 16 heat and like. i am so proud of myself
rain sedge
I wanted to do this for barrel roll but I think I overestimated myself
prob will die at heroes, maybe EM3 was not the right choice
gaunt fiber
That's pretty impressive Schad
shy plinth
Schaddered Shackle
gaunt fiber
No astaos companion, F
shy plinth
You're right here
rain sedge
the boons and hammers are pretty sad though
waxen relic
change LC4 to LC2 and DC2 
rain sedge
meh, the flex was supposed to be AP2 RI4 LC4
got asterius miniboss and left with 10 HP sadly
I think with better RNG I could do it maybe
waxen relic
need to be on edge for the whole run for RI4 LC4
rain sedge
yeah
waxen relic
Good going entering ely
rain sedge
I really only lost any meaningful HP on lernie
but getting asterius miniboss was too much
and I was hoping I get an attack boon so I can switch shackle with skelly keepsake
that being said, I don't think 76 HP is enough for EM3 and dad
and styx
agile obsidian
NOOOOOO. I DIED TO HADES WITH HESTIA
Second phase
I screwed this up so bad
32
tidal flame
F
daring hedge
gonna try streaming if anyone wants to come hang
tidal flame
Pog
rain sedge
@channel
ripe crane
https://imgur.com/a/ISeC4Og
I was doing boonless mirrorless for faster 33 than the current. Died with one shot left on Theseus twice in a row xddd
ripe crane
Wait why do you still have LC on
Healing is cool
Ya this challenge is fun and a reason to try weird stuff. Very cool concept Tail
rain sedge
it's fun and games until youre baj trying to do 59 and tail barrel rolls you and you quit the game
F
ripe crane
Hm yes I have experienced that
ripe crane
I use R2
rain sedge
If I macro the reload and special together
so everytime I reload I also special
does that count as cheating?
bronze viper
Gosh durn I forgot how much I like Hades aspect. I actually have to engage in game mechanics lol
mossy zinc
Oh nice, challenge is already at 33 Heat. That was fast.
agile obsidian
Where does tail stream?
bronze viper
Corneria
agile obsidian
Is that where he streams?
rain sedge
address is in self-promotion
agile obsidian
Is he streaming rn?
rain sedge
yes
agile obsidian
oof cant see it anywhere
gaunt fiber
@rain sedge 
elfin wedge
i did it. i beat EM 4 for the first time. had to use all my death defiances though.
rain sedge
for those who didn't watch the tail stream, he just one tried eris 50 after I tried it for a week+ on the 8s buff duration eris 
feelscasualman
shy plinth
Tail is very good at Hades
Strongly recommend watching
He plays Hades like a fighting game tbh
Lots of empty dashes and reactive movement
shy plinth
Inspired by him I just tried out a lucifer run, that's a fun weapon
Also triple bomb is a good hammer
true fable
triple bomb is busted
shy plinth
Eris 50 one and done
hardy linden
just tried fo2 for the first time for 23 heat and damn its tough
i will never touch it again
opal token
Blah 5 sack killed my chaos shield run
onyx venture
If you want to push the heat up it's probably worth getting used to FO2 eventually
sly remnant
Or alternatively get out now while you can so your win rate doesn't fall below Astaos's hp total
opal token
How is true shot on Poseidon sword
I got offered no casts in Tartarus despite using 2 refills so now first chamber asphodel looking at epic true shot, epic PP, or epic strike
Do I like try to hold out for Athena/aphro who are also in this pool?
edgy arrow
true shot is my go to cast for heat pushing poseidon
easy access to exit wounds and fully loaded
plus its just pretty good
mossy zinc
True Shot was Poseidon Aspect meta in Early Access. It's not really anymore, but it's still really good.
edgy arrow
that makes sense; i definitely haven’t paid attention to what anyone else is doing with it recently
what’s meta now? electric shot?
mossy zinc
Probably that or Flood Shot (+ Mirage) for the AOE.
edgy arrow
makes sense
opal token
Thanks
elfin wedge
which call should i take for hades boss extreme ? i can say, that the poseidon one sucks 😄
celest grail
if youre struggling with em4 hades, you could take athena call
turbid lichen
Need tips for 32 heat run? Reached Hades after 10 tries but I was so weak... Which contracts do you use for 32 heat run?
celest grail
which call should i take for hades boss extreme ? i can say, that the poseidon o...
or arty call if you have a fast attacking weapon that can easily charge a call
celest grail
Need tips for 32 heat run? Reached Hades after 10 tries but I was so weak... Whi...
optimal 32 heat setup is pinned in this channel
turbid lichen
optimal 32 heat setup is pinned in this channel
Ok ty
gaunt fiber
Or alternatively get out now while you can so your win rate doesn't fall below A...
Dude you're in good form lately lol
gaunt fiber
what’s meta now? electric shot?
Electric shot for the aoe clear as you get ME
You need jolted for bosses, exit wounds nice too. Does not do too much in any heat unfortunately
But we're high heat gang I suppose
By the way, my Guan Yu winrate is now 12%
gaunt fiber
Thanks!
edgy arrow
Electric shot for the aoe clear as you get ME
lmao for real?
speedrunners smh
guess they’re just whacking ME on anything
gaunt fiber
That's more of a meme but it did happen a few times, like every time I watch Bright's Poseidon
edgy arrow
nice nice
well, it wouldn’t be the only time ignoring the aspect completely and just ME’ing to win was kinda valid
fathom burrow
ME ME power
shy gulch
any of the 3 normal swords can do ME well, and probably should for the optimal strategy
not too many ppl are trying ME on Poseidon tho bc it’s a tad boring
but if I see a nat ares or Athena while doing something like zeus cast, you bet I’m transitioning to ME
wanton plover
is chiron very hammer reliant
stiff aurora
The one with the extra base damage is about as good, the hammer that makes your special pierce is worse than those but better than other hammers
The pierce one is great quality of life in elysium because it lets the special ignore shields
But the other two are more damage
mossy zinc
Not so sure about that.
Piercing Volley is definitely the best Special hammer if you use Drunken Flourish.
edgy arrow
^
drunken flourish chiron ftw
honestly i think its underrated on the heart rend build as well
still worse than concentrated/relentless ofc, but pretty good imo
mossy zinc
I think I might take it over Concentrated Volley. Deleting BP2 armor fast is huge.
edgy arrow
truth
mossy zinc
If you're too close, you don't even get the full damage from Concentrated Volley.
edgy arrow
yeah it’s kinda situational in practice
piercing actually helps make it better
i’d still probably choose concentrated first between the two, but i’m not 100% confident in that
vital grove
I'd take conc v every time on heart rend
fallow stream
So.... Breaching cross and rush kick on Gilgamesh are 👌
I hate rush kick... But not on Gilgamesh
fallow stream
Rush kick works perfectly on Gilgamesh... And the turbo dashes cancel out of it just the way you want them to
elfin wedge
i find the artemis chiron bow interesting but i am struggling to get crits. it feels not as reliable as other chiron builds. idk, maybe i am unlucky
when i am looking at hera bows, oof thats crazy damage
mossy zinc
@elfin wedge you'll want to start with the Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike and then take either Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish.
Whichever you see first.
elfin wedge
<@!272082328153620481> you'll want to start with the Eternal Rose for Heartbreak...
tyvm!
deadly flourish has +20% critchance. i dont see that many yellow numbers tbh. i am doing something wrong
shy plinth
Is your Chiron max level?
elfin wedge
yes
shy plinth
You should see 1-2 crits per volley
Pom it up and you start to do big damage, especially with heart rend
Hunter's mark helps a lot
Helps as well if you can find conc or relentless hammers
elfin wedge
it feels like the hera bow is more reliable when it comes to big damage, idk
elfin wedge
Hunter's mark helps a lot
yes, i will look out for that one too, ok
elfin wedge
if i go for heartbreak strike and deadly flurish should i activate family favorite ?
opal token
As far as I know, almost no one here uses PS on a regular basis.
Family favorite is more reliable at higher heat.
But to your specific question, yes. The reason PS is not great is bc it basically forces you to run builds that don’t use Artemis
Which cuts off a huge % of the possible builds for each weapon
agile obsidian
Finished 16 heat with chaos shield. Trying to go progressively up to 32
lilac depot
the eris + rush delivery build works with 32 heat?
lilac depot
my luck hates hyper sprint and rush delivery
agile obsidian
I see
Hyper sprint likes me but rush delivery does not
I always get hyper sprint on my first hermes for some reason
agile obsidian
lmao
That was me trying to get mirage shot today. I was eligible to get it like the 5th room, and then did not get it the whole run
5th room of tartarus
ripe crane
Why do I keep dying. This game is dumb
shy gulch
mood
opal token
Eris doesn’t need rush delivery
Wouldn’t put boons towards finding it
You just have Eris.
Go win
opal token
Yeah for sure
Person seemed to be implying they were looking for it and rerolling looking for it
Which is not important with eris
opal token
Sounds like chose boons poorly?
lilac depot
- the extra damage helps to finish it in 5 minutes
mm
maybe
zeus and poseidon are the main thing
lilac depot
zeus for crowd control and poseidon is
shy gulch
and just make sure to properly apply the buff
lilac depot
for smaller rooms
opal token
Like 75% dmg boost is the equivalent of epic rush delivery with epic hyper sprint for free
opal token
So if you aren’t doing enough dmg with a 75% dmg boost for free I’m suspicious something else is off
mossy zinc
Rush Delivery is very high roll.
shy plinth
The actual rush delivery boon is pretty low odds to see yeah?
And you need either plume or +move speed or hyper sprint as a prereq
bronze viper
0_0 TIL blocking skulls with shields destroys them instantly. I feel like it definitely wasn't that way before...
I remember them just popping to your side
mossy zinc
And you need either plume or +move speed or hyper sprint as a prereq
The strat is Hyper Sprint + Rush Delivery.
And you're only guaranteed two Lord Hermes boons in a run.
Three if you're lucky.
But with CF2 you probably won't be able to afford a third anyway.
gaunt fiber
Epic greater haste and ichor for a budget one
You're fishing for it in speedruns only
When you get it along with ME it's incredible
high fable
So i'm attempting 20 heat
gaunt fiber
Third Hermes would be too late anyway
high fable
What are the best pacts for 20 heat ?
agile obsidian
Em2 atleast
high fable
my problem remains in the 3 EM
waxen relic
0_0 TIL blocking skulls with shields destroys them instantly. I feel like it de...
i think that was a weird side-effect of the update where they changed it so that deflect wouldn't destroy them.
high fable
i always die from asterius and thesius
high fable
I always use damage control
agile obsidian
Benefits package
high fable
let me tell you what i currently use
agile obsidian
Middle management
Put on lasting consequences 4
you can heal with stubborn defiance
high fable
Lasting consequences 1, Convenience 1, jurry 1, EM 3, Middle, underworld customs, FO 1, Damage control 1, tight deadline 2
lasting consequences at 4 ? will try that
agile obsidian
Yeah you just have to get used to being at 50 health
Most of the time
You can prioritize getting health if to heal more with SD
high fable
alright cool
agile obsidian
With LC4 you dont have to really put on much else at 20 heat
high fable
the problem with the two champions when they are armored, like if i'm using lets say fists and dash to asterius i always get hit even if he's not shooting his weapon
collision damage is insane
agile obsidian
Dont put on em3 if you have trouble with it at 20 heat
I didnt even put em3 on in my 32 heat run
high fable
Damn
I always feel like i'm getting the hang of this game but i still need loads of practice
almost 300 escape attempts
high fable
i did waste alot of time when i first started
agile obsidian
Thats also bcs of how many times ive had to reset
high fable
before i took the game seriously
bronze viper
I'm at low 4 digits and I still feel terrible, no worries. It's the journey that matters.
agile obsidian
Same I consistently struggle at high heats
bronze viper
Also I've taken 2 very long breaks from the game, so I've kind of hard to restart the grind a couple of times, but game is fun enough that it doesn't hurt :3
agile obsidian
Ive had one 32 clear and that was me being a complete coward and letting hangover do its thing
So im not that great either
high fable
I'm gonna attempt a 20 hear run with 4 LC
agile obsidian
Yeah you got this
agile obsidian
Make sure you have stubborn defiance tho
high fable
Yeah i always use SD
agile obsidian
Oof
shy plinth
4 LC on 20 heat?
agile obsidian
If your not using LC dont use stubborn defiance
shy plinth
How often are you dying?
bronze viper
I use SD always, LC or not
agile obsidian
4 LC on 20 heat?
As long as he doesnt put heat in other stuff he'l be fine I think
bronze viper
It just feels so much better. And makes Athena more broken than usual
shy plinth
It's definitely not the way I'd start progressing
If it works it works but it's atypical
high fable
if high heat i die 1-2 times
shy plinth
Just makes the game way more punishing
bronze viper
The rough side of SD is that it doesn't let you load lives for a particular fight if you're not smooth on your bossing yet
shy gulch
SD is nice because im bad and take hits in normal rooms
so i can die in normal rooms and be fine
mossy zinc
i think that was a weird side-effect of the update where they changed it so that...
That change was intentional.
bronze viper
But yeah, the biggest upside is that you can beef it in normal rooms and not feel like you've lost anything permanent
agile obsidian
Eh. Without too much heat in JS, CP, and HL he should be fine
opal token
How good is putting a Pom on support fire? 2 more dmg per arrow etc.
agile obsidian
Yeah now that I recently started doing higher heats I love SD
mossy zinc
I think the best way to "progress" with Heat is to try everything.
agile obsidian
I always have a base health that I can start with
opal token
I know it’s dependent on lots of factors
bronze viper
How good is putting a Pom on support fire? 2 more dmg per arrow etc.
It's fine? Yeah, it depends on a lot but no matter what it's never going to be like amazing
agile obsidian
I like it on the fists