h1-high-heat-strategies

[rain sedge]

almost got one shotted by laser, somehow I can never be in the middle reliably

[shy gulch]

o pog

congrats

[rain sedge]

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proxy banned me 😮

and yeah, that's all aspects at 40 heat

[rain sedge]

Thanks

I think I can change my name to just normal casual PC player now

[daring hedge]

grats schad!

[rain sedge]

thanks king ❤️

[sly remnant]

congrats @rain sedge !!! i knew you could do it. god gamer

[rain sedge]

thanks, I'm just a casual lol

so the hardest one was actually gilga, then nemesis, then beowulf

I think zag sword would've been harder if I wasnt so lucky

[north dove]

congrats, now it's time to get those aspects up to 50

[rain sedge]

lmfao retrash pls

I barely got eris at 50

[gaunt fiber]

@rain sedge you did it

I told you

Congrats!

[rain sedge]

thanks, I kinda lost hope during the gilga run

[gaunt fiber]

You're your only enemy

You're always like "I can't I'm out"

But in the end you succeed

[rain sedge]

yeah I've come a long way since the time I ragequitted this server because I can't do poseidon 40 lol

[dire steppe]

i can’t even do like the easiest 40

actually there should be a pinned 40/50 guide

[gaunt fiber]

50 guide : "Good luck!"

[shy plinth]

I thought it was "just dash strike lol"

[gaunt fiber]

could work too

[tidal flame]

dont get hit lol

[gaunt fiber]

"Good luck with the dash strikes!"

[shy plinth]

50 guide: "twitch.tv/hades3234"

[dire steppe]

some day we will have a 60 guide

i wanna see 24x40 ap2 streak

[shy plinth]

I would want to see that but I wouldn't wish it on anyone

[gaunt fiber]

hmm

I was thinking about a fun 32 mirrorless AP2 GY

But all aspects oof

[rain sedge]

you should do GY 50 astaos

it's high time

[gaunt fiber]

I will

Do you remember

You said you'd eat your hat if I clear 50 GY

[shy plinth]

D:

[gaunt fiber]

hum

F for @shy plinth then

[rain sedge]

I don't remember that

but I guess you can search for the message

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[rain sedge]

I'd eat @shy plinth if you do it

nom nom

[shy plinth]

I'm too young to die

[gaunt fiber]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[rain sedge]

you promised your queen this too

[gaunt fiber]

I did not forget

[rain sedge]

can you stream it and ping us

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah if you want

I'll ping ya

[rain sedge]

please do

just seed the charged skewer

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

Kinda want a clear without it

But let's not get ahead of ourselves

[rain sedge]

I feel like you've practice enough

that being said if your setup is going to be what I think it is, you start with 25 HP

and that's one hit

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but since I'm lacking EM4 practice

[rain sedge]

okay so I didn't expect you to do Em4

[shy gulch]

you're gonna do em4??

madlad

[gaunt fiber]

Well I wont

so you're right schad

[rain sedge]

I mean I know you were practicing that but I thought you gave up on that idea

[gaunt fiber]

It's RI2

[rain sedge]

yeah so basically same setup as me, give or take some JS/CP

and there's the TD3 as well

[gaunt fiber]

But in the long term

I'll train EM4 to push GY higher

but it will be in months imo

I ain't doing AP2 for 50 either

[rain sedge]

I think if you seed the charged skewer you'll get it in a week or two

unsure about the EM4 though

[gaunt fiber]

no EM4 at first

[rain sedge]

like... you need to play really well

like retrash level

[gaunt fiber]

and a charged skewer run is really winnable

It's like 40 with less boons

But we'll see I have not tried 50 yet

[rain sedge]

it is NOT 40 with less boons

I can do 40 eris with like 50% success rate I think, at 50 things change a lot

that being said I wonder how I will fare with EM4 at 50

[gaunt fiber]

I mean

with charged skewer

[rain sedge]

hm

that spear throw though

closes distance REAL quick

and you can get 100-0ed by cerberus easily

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

Again I'm not doin EM4 lol

[rain sedge]

give the run a try, I would watch that

[gaunt fiber]

Well sure then

But I'll lose

[rain sedge]

hit me up with the stream

I got an hour before bedtime

[gaunt fiber]

I'm tired lol

I'm doing 50 heat once I get the GY any heat WR tho

[shy gulch]

whats the record at rn

[gaunt fiber]

8:51

[shy gulch]

ah damn ur right there

[gaunt fiber]

Yup

[rain sedge]

I mean

I have strong opinions on anyheat speedruns

or even speedruns in general

[shy plinth]

Do they involve sacks

[gaunt fiber]

You would not watch a 25hp boyo taking chaos gates?

[rain sedge]

I feel like anything in life that depends more than 30% on luck is just not worth pursuing

[gaunt fiber]

I feel you

But turns out I like GY and ME is not that bad

to play I mean

[rain sedge]

imagine fishing for ME at high heat

that gilga run feels so bad

[gaunt fiber]

No way I'm doing that lol

[rain sedge]

I did a bit of 53 trial just now, I forgot how hard it was

I think I might prefer Em4 to RI4

[gaunt fiber]

well

of course

[rain sedge]

I mean RI2

[gaunt fiber]

If you have not practiced it it's better

since you can """""""""guarantee"""""""""" a win if you reach Hades with some time

[rain sedge]

lemme run it real quick

I mean with delta chamber

how hard can EM4 be

[gaunt fiber]

well

Eris deals damage I think

I'm really helpful sometimes, thanks astaos for that piece of advice

[sly remnant]

lmfao

[edgy arrow]

eris deals damage? one sec imma write that down

[gaunt fiber]

Get it underlined

btw how is your 40 trip?

[edgy arrow]

uhh

well

i’m 1/3 of the way there

[gaunt fiber]

spears swords remaining right

[rain sedge]

some aspects are literally 10x harder than others

nah my bet is gilga, beo, zag shield, sword and spears

[sly remnant]

ohokwy is a good beo player

[edgy arrow]

lol beo was easy

[gaunt fiber]

^

[edgy arrow]

but yeah one 1/3 done not 1/3 to go lol

hasn’t gone that well

[rain sedge]

I see, I heard some people took 20+ try to do beo

can't remember who would be that bad tho

[edgy arrow]

oh you’re fine i just play beo too much

anyway getting it done in a week obviously didn’t work, but i should be able to find a lot more time to play now

[rain sedge]

I remember the weapon sucking really hard before mirage shot

[opal token]

Try hard to make good blade dash eris build with Zeus strike. Get cluster rocket bomb...no longer care about anything else lol

[rain sedge]

isnt splash dash just better on eris?

or am I missing something

[gaunt fiber]

Nah you're ok

[rain sedge]

lernie did me in at 53

that was surprisingly far

rocket bomb ruined my run if I'm honest

[true fable]

??

[rain sedge]

I can't really afford to go that close to enemies at 53

[tidal flame]

Well if you don't elaborate people will post some here

[rain sedge]

and with the 4s buff duration, it's too short to play how I want

it's ok I got cluster rockets this run

[tidal flame]

so you are saying the "nerf" actually hurts someone

[rain sedge]

I always knew it'll hurt high heat

[opal token]

Yeah I imagine splash dash is better. Didn’t get offered Poseidon tho 😛

Started with Zeus keepsake and got ares and then Athena keepsake for asphodel

[rain sedge]

Ap1 feels like a sentient piece of code that knows which boon you want the most

[dire steppe]

challenge idea

BP2, FO2, JS3, DC2, EM4

take any weapon, win condition is to get 30% dmg on butterfly

oh also forgot td3

[opal token]

Hmm...32 Heat Zag Sword: double nova vs World Splitter (also cruel thrust)

I kinda wanna take Splitter tbh.

[edgy arrow]

lmao just lost an easy talos 40 to a 5 sack

i had hyper delivery

[torn remnant]

yeah atp i'm dropping FO2 on this

my sanity is disappearing from dealing with FO2 enemies

[opal token]

I keep getting like double dmg clone witches in tart with my zag sword attempts lol

[torn remnant]

speeder enemies are the bane of my existence

that and seeker longbows

[opal token]

Lol zag sword with Zeus cast and...fully loaded? Huh?

Okay then

[agile harness]

What is the ideal 16 heat setup for chiron bow?

[torn remnant]

i mean ig EM3, MM, TD2 as some core and then pick your favorites from there

[agile harness]

Yeah those are my core

Is LC4 with stubborn defiance difficult?

[torn remnant]

i wouldn't recommend at that heat

only like 32+ would i

[agile harness]

What about 75%?

I ran it at 50% and did just fine.

[edgy arrow]

i mean, there's easier stuff to do for 16

but go for it if you want

[agile harness]

Like what?

[edgy arrow]

idk something like HL2 CF2 EM2 BP1 MM UC TD2 seems pretty manageable

just throwing stuff together

chuck DC2 in there somewhere if you're going rail

[agile harness]

Why not EM3? I find it only slightly harder than normal.

[edgy arrow]

sure EM3 if you're confident with it

that upgrade isn't too bad, but its annoying for some aspects and some people really don't like it

[agile harness]

I find theseus easier to handle at EM3 than during his normal encounter. Asterius on the other hand can be a little annoying.

I'll try your heat distribution.

[dire steppe]

god i hate chiron

worst weapon

[daring hedge]

i've never heard hatred for chiron quite like that

[true fable]

chirons just kind of boring imo

i dont enjoy the gameplay that much

[daring hedge]

yeah i kind of agree i just thought like

seeing someone say they hate it and that it's the worst

like how can you have such strong feelings for something like chiron lol

[opal token]

Any recommendations for zag sword that’s not just bad nemesis? (Ie heart rend)

[green citrus]

Zap sword

🙂

[opal token]

Okay

[green citrus]

Worth a shot anyways, flurry slash with Zeus attack and tidal dash, can't be bad.

You can also do ME zag sword

That's what the fresh file runners do

[opal token]

And that would be ares strike plus divine dash?

[dire steppe]

it sucks the dps is worse than zag spear and you have to stand in one spot and spam the special and the special misses half the time aaaa

i know this is not the opinion held by normal people

[daring hedge]

it is not

zag spear's sad damage is so far removed from where chiron usually lands with minimal effort

[dire steppe]

ok it’s honestly just like

not being able to dash strike

throws me off

[daring hedge]

???

you can dash-strike with chiron

[dire steppe]

like you can dash strike yes

[daring hedge]

i do it constantly

[dire steppe]

but not to do damage

[next marsh]

????

dash strike is higher dps than normal attacks

[dire steppe]

me use special do damage me no dash when special

[daring hedge]

i mean you can easily slap a special onto the end of all your dash strikes

[next marsh]

dash between each attack and special, and you should not have any issues with getting hit

[dire steppe]

also i play with mice not controller

[next marsh]

but if you plan ahead at all, you can do tail's method

which is better, but i cant plan ahead

[true fable]

you can just do

ME zag sword

it's probably the best build for zag sword

LUL

[next marsh]

well

there is dedge

which is pretty comparable

[dire steppe]

ME is a cheese build for a lot of things

you could probably build me rama with doom special even

[next marsh]

actually might work lol

[dire steppe]

maybe only arthur can’t use me

[next marsh]

not well

even arthur can

dash strikes are not any slower

[dire steppe]

fair

[opal token]

I play with a mouse and have zero issues with Chiron or Bows fwiw

[next marsh]

same

[dire steppe]

i want to try playing with two mice actually

[next marsh]

chiron is the only bow i can play well lol

[dire steppe]

does anyone know how to set the key binds up for that

[next marsh]

???

[dire steppe]

two. mice.

no keyboard

[next marsh]

cursed setup

[dire steppe]

i’d need to get one of those stupid gamer mouses probably

i have a 6 dollar wired mouse

[nocturne tusk]

I think you need 3rd-party software to get Windows to understand two independent mice iirc

[dire steppe]

that actually makes me wonder

about keyboard only

if i bind what used to be mouse actions to some stuff on right side of keyboard

what if it’s low key hella ergonomic

[daring hedge]

i think croven had/has a kb-only setup

[next marsh]

CURSED

[dire steppe]

how do left handed people kbm anyway

[next marsh]

same as everyone else

[dire steppe]

they use their right hand to mouse the mice?

[nocturne tusk]

typically. there are lefty mice but I don't think it's a super-common thing

[next marsh]

^

[dire steppe]

so uh anyway how long until 32 heat with voice controls

or guitar hero controller

[nocturne tusk]

someone did at least a 0-heat run with a dance pad, right?

[green citrus]

Yeah @shy gulch used KB only binds for awhile before going controller.

[shy gulch]

indeed

i still use kb only binds for hestia

[daring hedge]

madman

[next marsh]

bruh

why would you even do that?

@shy gulch (dont mind the fact that i cant really judge at all given my lack high heat experience)

[shy gulch]

LMAO

its because im a gamer

[dire steppe]

would you consider using 2 mice

[shy gulch]

no

thats 2 crutches

[north dove]

Going to stream a quick midnight Arthur run cause why the hell not

[polar briar]

Hey, what's the easiest way to clear 32 heat?

[shy gulch]

check pins

[polar briar]

Ah, nvm

I just saw it was pinned

[shy gulch]

let us know if you have questions about it!

[tidal flame]

bruh im salty. A greatshield did the 3 shockwave slam, the outer shockwave hit me, knocked me into the inner one and instagib me on an otherwise awesome run. Literally 100 damage in an instance. Where is PI lmao when these happens. That heat is literally free. I hate life :(

[edgy arrow]

PL is free until it isn’t

[tidal flame]

PL is free until proven otherwise.

[dire steppe]

retrash on his gy streak

got 0 hp upgrades in tart

[tidal flame]

just don't get hit bro

[nocturne tusk]

if I'm reading it right the invulnerability shield (that PL negates) won't trigger if the effect kills you
edit: I might've mixed up the order of events in the script

idk if that counts as "free" heat but it definitely seems like bargain-bin heat

[dire steppe]

@north dove hi

[north dove]

oh lol

😛

[dire steppe]

yall gotta watch the vod of that run some time

[north dove]

that GY run was definitely something

[opal token]

Petition to change pin for “easiest way to clear 32 Heat” to “have retrash do it.”

[dire steppe]

the easiest way to beat 32 heat is to beat 40 heat first and then turn off fo2

[halcyon flame]

keyboard only??????

[opal token]

With one hand. They like a challenge

[shy gulch]

keyboard only

[vital grove]

Voice command only

The ultimate challenge

[opal token]

Hah hit a 20.00.00 clear time

[tidal flame]

That's p rare grats!

[halcyon flame]

beating hades with a steering wheel blindfolded one hand 64 heat

[vital grove]

Now that's just silly.

[tidal flame]

Not impressed until someone do a 32+ Heat run on DDR pad.

[daring hedge]

that sounds doable

[stiff aurora]

A ddr pad has enough buttons to do most stuff, right?

[nocturne tusk]

iirc a dude did a 0-heat dance pad run last month using two dance pads

(or a combo that had two pads on it, or whatever)

[silk blaze]

Breakdance to hades awesome soundtrack

And play hades at the same time

[plain shuttle]

struggling on 32 heat with all weapons I usually excel at

currently using LC1, CF, JS1, EM4, BP2, MM, FO1, DC2, AP1, TD2

[gaunt fiber]

there's a guide pinned

EM4 AP1 is nope

DC2 can be a real pain, with EM4 it's hell

[plain shuttle]

hm so the play is using SD and LC4 then

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it's good to get used to it

[plain shuttle]

not very used to using SD so probably gonna get some practice runs in

[gaunt fiber]

yeah especially for bosses

allows more room for mistakes in chambers tho

[plain shuttle]

yeah I dont usually lose DD on 20 ish heat so I can see it being useful

[past field]

The SD and LC4 thing isn't fun though :(

[edgy arrow]

it kinda is, when you get into it

means you can kinda yolo more in the early levels without having to worry about losing a DD that you might need later

[past field]

I mean I guess that's what I find not fun

Most chambers, mistakes are inconsequential

I'd rather have to play my best in every chamber

[wintry berry]

In order to live, you have to die

[past field]

Also EM4 is just a lot more fun but doing EM4 with SD is madness unless you're on like 50 heat

[chilly sun]

NOOO I WAS TRYING TO DO MIRORLESS 32 HEAT AND DAD KILLED ME

I WAS SO CLOSE AGH

[halcyon flame]

what are the prerequisites for athena's dd boons?

[plain shuttle]

none, despite them being tier 2, they have no prerequisites

[halcyon flame]

they should have a prerequisite that says you must have at least one missing dd for them to show up

[edgy arrow]

yeah i’ve suggested that before

is what it is i guess

[halcyon flame]

is the boon that gives you invulnerability upon using a dd ever useful?

i could see it having potential when using sd at high heat

but one second of invulnerability when you lose a dd definitely doesn't seem worth it

[edgy arrow]

it becomes more about mistakes that cause time loss (when you’re up against TD3) than HP loss

[past field]

Ya, I find it more fun for difficulty to come from harder fights than fighting a timer

[edgy arrow]

that’s fair

[halcyon flame]

meanwhile i'm here stressing over a 27-minute timer when i can easily make sub-22 or less

[wintry berry]

You mean deathless stand ? It can at least give you +1 DD if you died in the same chamber

[shy gulch]

these actually do have prereqs, if you’re asking about deathless stand and last stand (I think that’s the name)

Athena attack, special, cast, or dash

any of those will do it

[halcyon flame]

what are the best weapons for 32 heat btw?

[rain sedge]

Easiest weapons are pinned

"best" can mean many things

[halcyon flame]

oh yeah, "fastest", "strongest", etc

[shy gulch]

I think if you’re going for fastest, 32 heat is effectively the same as any heat

so weapons that are fast in any heat will be fast in 32 heat

[halcyon flame]

definitely not going for fast

[quartz mantle]

Eris is really strong, Chiron is really strong

both are decently easy to use

[halcyon flame]

absolutely no way i'm getting sub 15 on my first 32 heat or something

[shy gulch]

oh if you’re going for weapons for easiest clears

hestia is a good contender

[halcyon flame]

rama seems good

[shy gulch]

rama is also good yeah

[halcyon flame]

half because i see tailesque use it for the dangerously high heats

[shy gulch]

personally I think cast weapons are still pretty strong at 32 heat

[quartz mantle]

Rama is great because it just deals loads of damage and is pretty safe

[halcyon flame]

but also because it's just really strong from my experience

[shy gulch]

it’s a good weapon for high heat

[halcyon flame]

twin shot is basically +100% damage right?

[shy gulch]

essentially

it’s super good

twin or triple with Rama is straight pog

[edgy arrow]

i mean, it’s multiplicative

so saying “+100%” makes it sound worse than it is

[shy gulch]

it’s just like double damage

[quartz mantle]

x2 damage

[halcyon flame]

twin + perfect shot

[quartz mantle]

so it stacks with Crits and whatnot

[shy gulch]

twin and point blank is my preferred but perfect is really good too

[halcyon flame]

imo perfect shot is a really good choice for rama mainly because i'm terrible at timing the dash-strike consistently

[edgy arrow]

i prefer twin and perfect for non rama

twin and point blank for rama

[quartz mantle]

Relentless can be good if you have Dio or Zeus special

[edgy arrow]

but they’re all good combos honestly

[halcyon flame]

relentless volley is also really strong apparently, works best if you have drunken flourish + heartbreak strike

also aphro + dio duo obviously

[shy gulch]

relentless is fine if you have dio special yeah, but no hammers will compare to the ridiculous damage increase twin or triple provides

[gaunt fiber]

are we still talking about rama

like drunken strike

[shy gulch]

yea

[halcyon flame]

relentless is actually super good for dealing with several weak enemies huh

[shy gulch]

what

[gaunt fiber]

oh it's alright

I'm the drunk one

[shy gulch]

LOL

[quartz mantle]

Astaos is drunk 😳

[shy gulch]

very nice astaos

[gaunt fiber]

I'm just like

any% discord messages

[halcyon flame]

anyways can you get piercing fire on hestia?

[gaunt fiber]

So I read "drunken" and "strike" but not "flourish" and "heartbreak"

[shy gulch]

yes spammy

it’s one of the best hammers for hestia

alongside ricochet

[quartz mantle]

Wait doesn't piercing have a problem with triple?

[halcyon flame]

can you get piercing and ricochet

[shy gulch]

as in triple bomb??

and yes you dance

can

it’s pretty gamer

[halcyon flame]

[quartz mantle]

Wait I'm bad

I was thinking about the bow hammer

[shy gulch]

ah yeah lmao

[edgy arrow]

wow i wish you could get triple shot on hestia

[halcyon flame]

ricochet is already really nice because not only can the shot already just bounce in the direction of a nearby enemy if it missed but apparently i can just straight up hit enemies through destructible pillars

triple fire 😳

triple fire + homing fire

that would be an easy win

[edgy arrow]

i mean, seeking fire doesn’t work on hestia

[halcyon flame]

kinda, yeah

[shy gulch]

yeah it doesn’t work

[edgy arrow]

but even just shotgunning three empowered shots into things would be a yeet of a time

[halcyon flame]

seeking fire on hestia makes the shot just sorta curve very very slightly towards the target

[edgy arrow]

does it?

[quartz mantle]

Seeking fire also makes your shot not hitscan

which is just like

not good

[edgy arrow]

if there’s a curve it must be barely noticeable

[halcyon flame]

yeah, but like i said it curves very slightly, it's barely even noticeable

[edgy arrow]

i was forced into that hammer recently and i swear it did nothing lol

[halcyon flame]

certain hammers that don't work well with certain aspects should just have new effects

[shy gulch]

it literally only gives +10% damage in my experience

which like, sure

better than nothing

[halcyon flame]

maybe certain incompatible hammers could simply be replaced with new ones that have similar functions, just like the hidden aspects

[edgy arrow]

oh yeah the damage still exists

[halcyon flame]

explosive fire on hestia could have a larger blast area and deal more damage

[edgy arrow]

didn’t know about the no hitscan?

[shy gulch]

explosive fire is fine on hestia

it’s a good hammer to pick up if the other two are useless

[halcyon flame]

yeah but it's just kinda lame

[edgy arrow]

it’s fine honestly

[halcyon flame]

the speed reduction literally does nothing for you if you're like 2 miles away from the target to begin with

not to mention the speed reduction lasts like a quarter of a quarter of a second

[edgy arrow]

i actually prefer explosive on hestia than any other rail

it’s not stupid amazing but it’s alright

[halcyon flame]

and why is delta fire even obtainable if you're using hestia, like, why

[shy gulch]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

For the Eris switch mid run

[shy gulch]

I had a string of high heat AP2 runs where I was only offered delta chamber

it was pretty amusing

[halcyon flame]

AP2

only offered delta fire from hammers

anvil at styx

it doesn't pick delta fire

[shy gulch]

gg

[halcyon flame]

i'm convinced the anvil isn't 50/50 and instead there's an ai that chooses which of the two hammers is actually better for your build and takes away that instead of the hammer which you actually wanted to get rid of

and then out of all the potential hammers, it just picks the two hammers are are deliberately detrimental to your build

[edgy arrow]

it’s simple: if you have a good hammer just don’t take the anvil

it exists for when you have two rubbish hammers

[shy gulch]

also: if you have sword, never anvil

[gaunt fiber]

Cursed slash Guan Yu when

[shy gulch]

that’s literally what GY is

already

[edgy arrow]

but imagine: twice

[gaunt fiber]

No I have to spin

[halcyon flame]

spread fire rama

[edgy arrow]

okay but what about delta chamber chaos

that seems balanced not sure why it isn’t in the game

[halcyon flame]

...what would that even do though

wait

wait

hear me out

relentless volley chaos

dread flight chiron

[shy gulch]

relentless volley is literally what chaos is as an aspect lmfao

I never realized actually

[halcyon flame]

dread flight chiron would literally be the arrows just swarming a single enemy

[stiff aurora]

So just you're saying that dread flight chiron is the same thing as chiron?

[halcyon flame]

the arrows just stick to the target and tear them apart

because they're just repeatedly bouncing off of the target

i wonder if it's possible to make it so that you can actually get different hammers with any weapon

[vital grove]

Rocket Bomb Chiron

[halcyon flame]

by that i mean like rail hammers on bow

[vital grove]

Except every arrow is a rocket

[halcyon flame]

yikes

[vital grove]

And they home in on the target

[halcyon flame]

what other awful combos can i think of

[twilit osprey]

The +4 to your special on the rail?

[halcyon flame]

that's just cluster bomb

[twilit osprey]

Without the lesser damage

[halcyon flame]

now that i think about it cluster bomb is literally relentless volley but worse

there's no argument, they both have the exact same effect but cluster bomb lowers the damage

[quartz mantle]

Relentless volley on sword

[true fable]

yeah id agree with this. explosive at least gives some aoe

its like a B tier hammer

[edgy arrow]

yeah exactly

[shy gulch]

for sure

[gaunt fiber]

I have a friend having a hard time beating Elysium

So I'm watching live rn

He has 50 base hp, one DD and one dash

He made it to heroes

[vital grove]

Give him a tip, Astaos. With a Spear behind it.

[gaunt fiber]

Currently playing Zag real featuring curse of agony

[vital grove]

I wish Zag would say 'Ole!' after narrow missing Asterius charge

[shy gulch]

zag rail with curse of agony is a strat i used to do

lmao

the base damage is so low that it felt decent to just slap doom on it

[gaunt fiber]

He's a hero

it's almost mirrorless and he's like "I'm so bad at this game"

[mossy zinc]

+400% Charged Skewer, please.

[solemn pulsar]

@gaunt fiber that guy scares me

[opal token]

Fwiw, I usually have 50 hp and 1 DD by heroes except it’s 50/250 and 1/3 DD 😛

[green shale]

beowulf best aspect in the game

[gaunt fiber]

He'll become a monster

[vital grove]

The hero we need.

The prophesied 64 Heat champion.

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber strim the GY 50 pls

[gaunt fiber]

Told ya I'm doing any heat atm

too tired to play today anyway

[rain sedge]

Idk what project to do now

Eris 53 seems quite unimpressive for how hard it is

[gaunt fiber]

you find it unimpressive

not me

[rain sedge]

It's not even the rail record lol

[gaunt fiber]

does not mean it's not impressive

[shy gulch]

eris 53 would still be quite impressive to me yea

[gaunt fiber]

btw it would be Eris highest

[opal token]

What do people mean when they say “any Heat”

Like are you randomly clicking Pacts and then the play button

[shy plinth]

Speedrun category

No restrictions on the heat number, it can be 0-64

[true fable]

usually 3-6-9

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

My any heat is indeed random heat

[true fable]

or 9-12-15 for RTA categories

[opal token]

Ah okay. I guess there are speedrun leaderboards for each Heat?

[shy plinth]

Yeah it's typically FO2+EM2

[true fable]

anyheat/32/40/50

[tidal flame]

64 soon™

[opal token]

Thanks

[sly remnant]

Why does dad not lose his casts forever in that North pool

But I do

I demand justice

[mossy zinc]

Training.

[vital grove]

While you were partying with Dio, I studied the cast.

While you broke my pottery, I mastered the flaming skull.

[rain sedge]

ok call me crazy but

I'd much rather the eris nerf be 60% bonus damage for 8s, which was the original one

the 4s buff duration hurts a lot for high heat

[tidal flame]

Hi crazy 👋

[rain sedge]

if I have holy shield, is the spearpoint useless?

[gaunt fiber]

well it deflects but you're not in impervious state right

[rain sedge]

ok yeah, just died to maxy with 2 extra athena DD and splitting bolt

I think with the eris change it's actually too hard to do 53

even with delta chamber

[gaunt fiber]

Try more

[rain sedge]

I'm good, there are other things I can be doing with my life

[gaunt fiber]

eh

won't argue on that

[empty surge]

maxy?

[rain sedge]

I got cyberpunk finally, I think it's kinda stable now

[gaunt fiber]

You will come back

[rain sedge]

just for casual stuff

[gaunt fiber]

you will come back and push to 53

[gaunt fiber]

yeah?

[empty surge]

I was asking what/who maxy is - maybe I'm being stupid but I can't think of what that's referring to

[gaunt fiber]

You're right

No idea what Schad's talking about

a penny on Lernie

[spring kettle]

Max heat Lernie?

[daring hedge]

it's EM4 hades with all the pacts that make him hard

HL5, FO2, etc

i just call him superdad though

[rain sedge]

stop bullying me

mods

there's a bully here

[gaunt fiber]

oh it's superdad

UK people man

lost my penny

[rain sedge]

racist too

or nationalistic?

I think nationalistic means another thing actually

[daring hedge]

xenophobic

[rain sedge]

xenophobic thank you king

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[rain sedge]

we should suspend this bot

⏹️ 🤖

[tidal flame]

Leave the bot alone :(

[rain sedge]

ok so, serious talk for a bit

let's pretend I'm gonna push the eris heat

[gaunt fiber]

Ok let's get serious

woops

[rain sedge]

I see that it's only haelian/bablo that has done high heat eris

who else can I talk to, to learn etc?

[gaunt fiber]

Well

Welcome to GY man

[daring hedge]

i did 50 eris but that was before the nerf and i just did a basic lightning strike+tidal dash combo

[rain sedge]

tidal dash at 50 good lord

[sly remnant]

Athena overrated

[rain sedge]

do you mind if I PM you to discuss some strats?

[sly remnant]

She slow

[gaunt fiber]

Reject divine dash

[daring hedge]

i've been using offensive dashes for a lot of my recent 50s and 51s

passion dash and blade dash good

[tidal flame]

Passion Dash? Like actually?

[daring hedge]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

Passion dash is amazing

no bias

[sly remnant]

It applies a meaningful status without taking an arti damage slot

[tidal flame]

[daring hedge]

zag sword, nem, and zag rail all used it

[rain sedge]

that's a weirdchamp

[gaunt fiber]

just go drunken strike arty special splitting headache

[sly remnant]

Pash dash is quite good

[gaunt fiber]

not strike

[daring hedge]

i mean it's AP2

[gaunt fiber]

dash

[daring hedge]

passion dash from AP2 i will gladly take

[rain sedge]

maybe I should do AP2

in theory I really only need lightning strike

[gaunt fiber]

depends on how many resets you want

[rain sedge]

well, it's roughly 25% chance getting lightning strike

and I can reset on chamber 2 easily right

[daring hedge]

RI2 and AP2 makes you work through the run on extremely little, and you pretty much don't get a "build", but with TD2 there's enough time to just do it

[gaunt fiber]

Or you're doing EM4 and nothing in RI?

[shy gulch]

pash dash goes hard

good pom scaling

applying weak is always nice

[daring hedge]

exactly

[rain sedge]

well EM4 isn't happening, I tried it just now

[gaunt fiber]

kk

[rain sedge]

I mean...

maybe with delta chamber?

[spring kettle]

Oh, that’s why TD2 and not TD3 on aspects like zag fists

[gaunt fiber]

DC2 I guess?

[rain sedge]

actually, just now I had 2 athena DD and splitting bolt, I can't really expect that on a run

[spring kettle]

Because you don’t really get a coherent build

[daring hedge]

yeah, been seeing what the game gives me and just working with it since 7m per biome is enough

[gaunt fiber]

I don't really know Eris but I think it needs some boons

Since Zeus usually falls off right

[rain sedge]

in the game I kinda want lightning strike and jolted

and any damage boon for special

well and athena dash but yea

the problem I am facing right now is that with 4s buff duration, I have to play it like a melee weapon

before I can do special --> take buff --> range for 3 more specials --> buff runs out --> go in to get buff again

whereas right now I have to get buff every 2 specials

which means to get enough damage, I have to still be at melee range

because if I run out to be at range it's just not optimal

the other option is to just use mouse and keep using special on myself, but I think I won't have enough damage like that

and I have to use my janky setup

[gaunt fiber]

Oh so that was your playstyle I see

[rain sedge]

that was why delta chamber was so valuable

[gaunt fiber]

I see

to me Eris was melee

[rain sedge]

by ranging + 8s duration + delta chamber, I can focus 100% on dodging projectiles/ranged attacks

[rain sedge]

I mean that's how the speedrunnners use it at low heat

[gaunt fiber]

yeah true

[rain sedge]

I'm not skilled enough to play it melee at 53

[gaunt fiber]

But maybe you could get your way with a different special use?

like a "new" dps rotation involving more special

[rain sedge]

with mouse theoretically I can stay at range, and use one in two special on myself

but I have to get used to the setup

[gaunt fiber]

oh yeah that setup too

I would have helped but I'm on controller

[rain sedge]

it's just hard to aim the special on controller

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

That's why I don't like rail in general

[quartz mantle]

There might be a correlation with people using kbm vs controller and what weapons/aspects they prefer

[gaunt fiber]

I just don't like playing an aspect not at its peak performance

But I enjoy Hestia and Lucy

But that's right in a way

[edgy arrow]

as a shield player i’m pretty sure this is true

people keep telling me beo is clunky, but it’s just controller bull rushes that are clunky

[sly remnant]

Yep

Kbm beo best beo

[quartz mantle]

I enjoy kbm beo

[rain sedge]

enjoying beo

beo 40 took me more tries than the other 3 shields combined

like it was fun and games at 32, but at 40... my god

[quartz mantle]

I assume castpects loose a lot of power at higher heats when you start to put on AP and RI

[edgy arrow]

you on controller or kbm?

tryna see if my theory is true

[rain sedge]

controller for beo

[edgy arrow]

confirmed

i've solved the mystery

[rain sedge]

what's the mystery

[edgy arrow]

my extremely scientific process (citation needed) has proven that only controller players dislike beowulf

[quartz mantle]

Source: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/410616262847365124/803834390516989952/unknown.png

[rain sedge]

What does bright use?

[daring hedge]

kbm

[tidal flame]

Their hands probably

[edgy arrow]

wait really, bright as well?

this might actually be legit lol

[tidal flame]

https://www.twitch.tv/bright01

[edgy arrow]

i mean, it makes sense

[tidal flame]

live now if you want to check for yourself lol

he is using mkb yeah

[edgy arrow]

don’t even need to ask lol; those are keyboard noises

[quartz mantle]

there's also the mouse

[edgy arrow]

oh true lol

[spring kettle]

why does bright use comic sans

[shy gulch]

wriste is a big beowulf fan and uses controller

[edgy arrow]

hmm okay

still tho

general trend maybe

[mossy zinc]

Good.

[true fable]

i used it as a meme when i first started streaming a month ago and havent gotten around to changing it

but also

from a design perspective

while ugly

comic sans is actually extremely readable

[prime lintel]

I think it was originally designed to be readable to people who had difficulty reading

i forget the name of the disorder, the one where letters sometimes switch places

Dyslexia, that's what it was

[mortal geyser]

Comic sans works really great with pixels

Other fonts are hard to read when its pixelized

The joke of comic sans being bad is because the design of the letters are inconsistent iirc

Oops off topic now

[gaunt fiber]

Welcome to #h1-high-heat-strategies , it's our branding

[vital grove]

Hades off topic strategies.

So anyway, you guys like picking up the weak explosion boon?

The one where anything you kill damages things around it and applies weak.

[gaunt fiber]

Dying Lament

I like it a lot yeah

[mossy zinc]

Depends on what else she offers, but yeah, it's pretty good.

[quartz mantle]

Dying Lament is no Life Affirmation or Sweet Surrender but it's still very good for clearing out rooms

[edgy arrow]

it exists

i don't particularly care about most of aphro's non core boons (that aren't sweet surrender or life affirmation) but its not the worst thing to have around

[stiff aurora]

Pretty much this. I like having it on runs where I don't clear well for things like the small rats in styx

[waxen relic]

Why do you like sweet surrender so much? It's just a small additive percentage. I'd rather have the damage-reduction-upgrade.

[edgy arrow]

its universal damage

everything's additive, so that doesn't really say much

[quartz mantle]

It's free damage

If you have an easy way to apply weak it is just free damage

Also damage reduction doesn't matter if everything is dead

🧠

[waxen relic]

Better than Urge to kill, sure, but not by that much is what I feel.

Damage is just another crutch

[edgy arrow]

its several orders of magnitude better than urge to kill on any build featuring damage from lightning, hangover, doom, support fire arrows etc.

[quartz mantle]

Boons are just another crutch

[edgy arrow]

universal damage is pretty good is what i'm saying

[quartz mantle]

There's a reason not a lot of things give you global damage

[edgy arrow]

its decent enough for you basic attack/special/cast stuff, but where it really shines is in buffing the damage of damage types that usually can't be increased easily

[quartz mantle]

Eris is almost the only aspect you get global damage from and it's one of the best aspects in the game for speed and damage

[waxen relic]

I'm not really using much separate damage lately, sure.

[edgy arrow]

yeah for a bunch of builds its definitely in the urge to kill tier "i'll take this because its a little helpful if there's nothing better" bucket, but universal damage does silly things to hangover and lightning and stuff

[waxen relic]

In terms of normal encounters, dying lament should be better than sweet surrender always

[edgy arrow]

big disagree tbh

dying lament is alright, but it only really shines if your build has bad aoe

and sure, builds like that exist, but they aren't really the default

[waxen relic]

My viewpoint is getting pretty skewed lately I think, so maybe

[sly remnant]

Sword X Dying Lament

[mossy zinc]

Sweet Surrender buffs summon damage, too.

[halcyon flame]

so sweet surrender basically just behaves like boiling blood?

or pressure points

[rain sedge]

neither buffs summon damages

[sly remnant]

Sweet surrender good

[sly remnant]

This is not true. Crits and some hammers are multiplicative

Also in the case of casts chaos +1 cast is

[vital grove]

I have never seen Achilles and Patty hit for over 1500 each and I use Sweet Surrender fairly often

You sure it does that?

[edgy arrow]

sure, but the point still stands

things being additive are the default

[sly remnant]

Sure. Which is why its important that people understand that going out of your way for plus damage is kind of bad.

Except in the case of dash and casts build where they have very little access to plus damage

[edgy arrow]

well, it’s not just dash and cast builds that fall into that category

but agreed

[sly remnant]

I mean I am speaking generalities. There are always exceptions

[edgy arrow]

fair

[sly remnant]

Its about scarcity of resources. In general cast and dash builds have easy access to multiple instances of the source (+dashes, + casts, mirage shot) and flat base damage via poms. They struggle to find plus damage so you should go out of your way for global damage sources.

Attack and special builds have easy access to plus damage through chaos, boons, and normal plus damage sources. They lack access to base damage and instance multipliers so you seek out hammers and crit sources in order to supplement.

To be clear. This doesn't mean you avoid plus damage or base damage for either situation. Its just a matter of what you prioritize.

[rain sedge]

"easy access to mirage shot"

beowulf 40 PTSD intensifies

[sly remnant]

I won't roll for sweet surrender if I'm playing rama. I will roll for sweet surrender if I'm playing hera

[rain sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/flashback-seasamestreet-gif-10051490

[edgy arrow]

to be fair, the mirage shot beo build is fine (at least at 40) even if you don’t get mirage shot

i think the reason it works so well is that flood flare + deadly strike is just kinda what you want anyway

[sly remnant]

And beo is a special case because the dragon rush already gives you a lot of plus damage built in

[edgy arrow]

true

[rain sedge]

it wasn't fine for me 😦

[edgy arrow]

i mean, eris 40 took me a bunch of tries but i’m pretty sure most people agree eris is fairly good

i’m just bad at rails lol

[true fable]

sweet surrender is great on any crit build or cast build

or flat damage build

its free damage, what's not to like?

[sly remnant]

Again I'm not saying you don't pick it

I'm saying I won't go out of my way for jt

It

[true fable]

yeah thats fair

thats my opinion on most aphro t2s

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber did you know that king already did GY 50

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

Almost got the GY record

[true fable]

astaos i made it to elysium on an offhand GY 40 try are you proud

[gaunt fiber]

3 sack vermin killed the 8 min pace

[true fable]

and then i got killed by slugger greatshields

poggers

RIP

that sucks

[gaunt fiber]

But I'm happy, I can do it

[gaunt fiber]

I am!

[dire steppe]

how do you beat lernie with gy lol

[true fable]

acorn

[dire steppe]

wew

[gaunt fiber]

It's actually a really good boss to spin on

with a bit of practice

although acorn is valuable indeed

[stoic pebble]

As others said, acorn is good. Keeping distance and special spamming can get you a no-hit kill, if done right, even without acorn. Try standing on the exit dock when the other heads pop up, and slowly work toward them one-by-one

[gaunt fiber]

the other way is to listen to dubstep and dash strike in again and again

[dawn cedar]

How many people have actually beaten the game with max heat?

[true fable]

0

kane did it routed pre1.0

0 post1.0 routed or unseeded

[quartz mantle]

Is there anything big about pre 1.0 and post 1.0?

[dawn cedar]

is it impossible?

[quartz mantle]

Not impossible but very difficult

I think the highest heat run currently unseeded is done at 60 heat

missing the last two tiers of Routine Inspection

[true fable]

they added EM4 and reworked TD iirc

max heat pre1.0 was 57?

[quartz mantle]

Yea looking at it now

TD maxed out at 7 minutes and there's no PL

and EM maxed out at 3 instead of 4

I was just wondering if there were any strategies we could pull from that 57 heat run

But seeing as it was seeded and doesn't deal with EM 4 likely not

[shy gulch]

em4 is big man

its so rough

especially with TD3

[true fable]

the one dash gameplay is probably still useful

[quartz mantle]

Anything that combines Mirrorless with LC4 and sees success will be important to see for notes

[edgy arrow]

mirrorless+LC4 was how come Kane ran stubborn roots

getting a specific duo on AP2 is a bit of a joke unrouted tho lol

[true fable]

stubborn roots also does less with TD3 now

[waxen relic]

It was pre-nerf-Chaos as well, which was pretty damn good for safety and speed

[mossy zinc]

A specific Duo that requires Lucky Tooth or Master Chaos's legendary.

[quartz mantle]

Gotta love loosing to TD because of a 5 sack

I wonder what people's thoughts are on whether or not TD should impact the sack mechanic at all?

[gaunt fiber]

I know someone who thinks that it should

End of the press conference

[vital grove]

Each level of TD should just reduce sack by 1. 🤔

Minimum 2.

Or have TD3 limit to 3 sack. That would still be manageable.

[rain sedge]

It's probably the most discussed/complained about aspect of the game

we've talked about quite a lot of good solutions to it for a long time. The truth is, the game was never balanced/designed for this level of heat

there's maybe ~20 people that will actually get affected by this change meaningfully, and it's too few people to care about 🤷

[shy plinth]

If TD3 guaranteed 3 sack or less the entire speedrun community would use it

It would be quite a few people

I think it's moreso that the devs want this variance in the game

[rain sedge]

ello is making a mod for that, no?

I assume it's quite easy to modify the game file to guarantee 2 sac, it just have to be "official" to be community approved

[shy plinth]

I would assume that it is straightforward for someone like Ello

Though maybe not, I watched Wriste do some routing

RNG calls are crazy

[vital grove]

Do tell

[shy plinth]

There's a mod that shows your current rng calls on screen and they change with so many different game actions

It's not just seed = fixed path

[vital grove]

Ah, okay. Don't get much out of that since I just play each run

[rain sedge]

very interesting. I found the code for the minimum room requirements, but I don't find the maximum one, or the chance to roll sac

unless

remind me what's the exact ratio of getting a sac in a tunnel is?

is it 56%

[true fable]

64 i believe

54 sorry

mobile shenanigans

[rain sedge]

it's ok ello helped me out, museus wrote a mod to modify sac number

it's in a different file than I thought

[torn vapor]

Aw, look at you all, talking about mods without Pony

[rain sedge]

it's the different kind of mods monkaS

[dire steppe]

wew peach in heat channel

[green citrus]

Peach? 🙂

[solemn pulsar]

Hi the odds of sack are 54% in the second tunnel, but increase in each subsequent tunnel

In my 300 clear file I have 159 2 sacks, 89 3 sacks, 41 4 sacks, and 13 5 sacks. This roughly works out to 54% 2 sack, 30% 3 sack, 13% 4 sack, 3% 5 sack, which is close to what the mathed out stuff says

[torn vapor]

Hi Peach!

[edgy arrow]

why am i stonewalling on chiron 40 lmao

i didn’t really expect to have this much difficulty with any bow

[north dove]

streak is RIP 😦

beo sux don't @ me bright

[green citrus]

nooooo Sadge

[edgy arrow]

yo do you use a controller or kbm?

i’m (very scientifically) trying to uncover the roots of the anti beowulf conspiracy

[north dove]

controller

[edgy arrow]

aha!

theory confirmed again

[north dove]

[edgy arrow]

all controller plays (citation needed) don’t like beowulf

except wriste apparently

whereas all kbm players (even more citation needed) like beowulf

[shy gulch]

nooooo

pain

[true fable]

RIP what happened?

[vital grove]

Chiron 40 eh? You doing Arty special?

There's two versions of Chiron. The Heart Rend Concentrated Relentless Volley and everything else.

[edgy arrow]

i was doing dio special

[true fable]

aoe with chiron is a huge issue

[edgy arrow]

i’ll prolly try the heart rend build next; that’s what i used for 32

[true fable]

what was your pact?

JS?

[edgy arrow]

i had no JS or CP

i think it was the HL5 FO2 that was giving me the most trouble

not really sure what i could take instead tho

[true fable]

tbh that sounds fineish to me

any time issues?

[edgy arrow]

i timed out in heroes once, but it’s mostly okay i think

things keep whacking me while i’m mid special lol

one sec i’ll find my exact pact

HL5 LC4 CP2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 DC2 TD3

[true fable]

CP2 sounds kind of rough

[edgy arrow]

sorry CF2

[true fable]

DC2 might be more of an issue than you think

[edgy arrow]

CP2 is terrifying lol

[true fable]

this is 40 though right

[edgy arrow]

even with dio special?

ye

[true fable]

this is 40?

ah

hm

im running most of the same

except JS3 TD2 DC2 because it's more forgiving

why not HS/JS1?

either way sounds fine though

[edgy arrow]

instead of what?

DC2?

[true fable]

DC2

yeah

[edgy arrow]

hmm okay

[true fable]

attack damage is kind of significant in tart

[edgy arrow]

i’ll give it a shot

[true fable]

im also not a huge fan of CF2 but that could just be a me thing

feels like dio special chiron likes boons

[edgy arrow]

true

so many delicious duos, apart from anything else

idk what else i’d take instead tho

[true fable]

i just did one

just offhand

your pact probably works too

curse of nausea is probably as good if not better than splitting headache

the advantage of god's legacy is you can kind of just take whatever gods have decent duos and make a build out of it

[edgy arrow]

yeh curse of nausea has been the main duo i’ve been hunting

[true fable]

not low tol?

i forced low tolerance

[edgy arrow]

that as well ig

kinda both

[true fable]

i forgot how fun 40 heat is

:^)

[edgy arrow]

made it
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/755802335112069312/804288518029180968/Chiron_40.png

ended up missing all the duos and got calculated risk instead lol

well, actually i got splitting headache (twice!) and had to sell it (twice!)

[gaunt fiber]

Congrats!

[edgy arrow]

Thanks

just all spears, all swords and gilgamesh to go

[gaunt fiber]

just all spears

[edgy arrow]

i bad at spear

although i actually just did a couple of zag spear runs; didn't get the clear but they went better than i would've expected

so they shouldn't be too hard except GY

[gaunt fiber]

tbh GY could be the easiest

but the difficulty will be hammer dependent

If you get a flaring spin extending jab clear

What

I just found a 40 heat clear with charged skewer thunder flourish in my screen folder

[edgy arrow]

shoot for flaring spin and extending jab, got it

lmao nice

[vital grove]

I think Achilles is the easiest if you high roll duos and get a strong cast build

But if you're very good at the game GY is excellent

[edgy arrow]

i wouldn’t say i’m very good at the game

we’ll see how it goes ig

[vital grove]

Mirrorless Guan Yu could be interesting

How about mirrorless, bloodless GY

[edgy arrow]

be kinda nice if there was a way to unlevel weapons for challenge runs and stuff

Astaos did mirrorless GY at 40 iirc?

[gaunt fiber]

Yup

I was scared about the hp so I took an Asphodel erebus

That and weak saved the run

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nice