h1-high-heat-strategies

[rain sedge]

yea I'd take bablo I think

he's always nice

[true fable]

ask bablo yeah

eris was kind of his thing iirc

[lusty mirage]

or learn korean and ask hadesprofessor

[true fable]

hes gonna tell you to just get scint feast and flurry cast

and your world will be flipped upside down

[gaunt fiber]

He'll actually translate and help you

[rain sedge]

yea he's a great human being

I'll stream it and maybe I'll ask them to see the vod to tell me what I'm doing wrong idk

more and more I felt like my 50 clear was pure luck

[lusty mirage]

would be fun to get a few english chatters in his chat

[honest kernel]

How about a french one ?

[rain sedge]

are you french baj?

[dire steppe]

how do you guys play hestia on KBM

[stiff aurora]

reload and shoot idk how it is any different that normal rail

[dire steppe]

what do you bind reload to

[stiff aurora]

the default should be R iirc

I have it there anyway

[honest kernel]

Canadian french

Yeah

[rain sedge]

super pog

[dire steppe]

you press R every time you shoot on hestia?

[rain sedge]

my sister lives in vancouver, and a friend of mine is from the canadian french part (I forgot the city)

it's super nice to live there apparently, people are great

[honest kernel]

Quebec, I assume

[stiff aurora]

yes

[honest kernel]

I'd like to say it's sweet for the most part, but I'm not really outgoing, and am not in the main cities

[rain sedge]

that's the one

[gaunt fiber]

We're like 2 or 3 usually

but it's not a decent time for Americans

[honest kernel]

^

[dire steppe]

When does he stream

[honest kernel]

He streams at like 4-6 AM EST

[dire steppe]

I would watch

[honest kernel]

Or something like that

[dire steppe]

Oh yeah i’m usually not awake then anymore

[honest kernel]

Might be even sooner

[gaunt fiber]

I would say 6 EST usually?

[rain sedge]

I remember when we were there

and he tried to translate your name

good time

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

was a fun moment

[rain sedge]

alright i'm back at my half joycon-half mouse setup

it's too hard to do 53 heat without it

[gaunt fiber]

the curse

[dire steppe]

wtf like left joycon right mouse?

[honest kernel]

OMFG

[dire steppe]

i should unironically try that

[honest kernel]

The pain is over

[dire steppe]

i don’t have a switch doe

[honest kernel]

Heat 32 cleared 😭

[dire steppe]

pains not over until you do em4 32 to avenge yourself

[honest kernel]

Hmmmmm

[rain sedge]

idk how expensive is just 1 joycon

[honest kernel]

You got a point

[rain sedge]

but this setup is only really good for eris

[tidal flame]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/751112073924313208/755565546220683284/Gued_Controls.png

[dire steppe]

i think they’re like 15 bucks

[rain sedge]

maybe lucifer but no one runs that weapon

[honest kernel]

Wuuuut

[stiff aurora]

that's actually 190 iq

[tidal flame]

not mine but this abomination haunts me

[rain sedge]

yea it's basically what fox does, but because joycon is smaller, it feels better

[tidal flame]

not me lul

[rain sedge]

it's not so bad

[tidal flame]

I would never

xD

[rain sedge]

it works for eris

[lusty mirage]

i tried something like that but not having the other side of the controller stabilized hurt my hand

[dire steppe]

Keybind saved layouts is something hades needs tbh

[lusty mirage]

might work with a small controller like joycon tho

[stiff aurora]

LC4 CF1 EM4 BP2 MM UUC DC2 TD3 is prohably the best you can do here, right? or is TD3 too little time?

[sly remnant]

just run HL5 and LC0. then go in with 3 DDs

[honest kernel]

When I look at my pacts it doesn’t show I cleared Heat 32 with my bow?!

The rewards are just ?

OH WAIT

Rewards only go up to 20 right?

[stiff aurora]

yeah if you skipped a heat it shows that one

[stiff aurora]

I think I'm going to try that, normal 32 is not happening for me so I might at least get a more fun hades fight out of this lol

[honest kernel]

Also anyone else playing Hades with the 32 bit launch option? The visuals seem more pixelated.

Also it seems there is no achievement for unlocking the third skelly statue?

[stiff aurora]

there's not

[honest kernel]

Disappointing ._.

[shell rose]

is there a guid somewhere for all the abrevationsd?

[clever otter]

yes, in the pins

[shell rose]

k thanks

[stiff aurora]

wait you don't get +5 hp for buying darkness in the store?

[gaunt fiber]

nope

[tidal flame]

not for picking up Sisyphus darkness either

[dire steppe]

there should be a 50 heat achievement

[tidal flame]

AMIRRRR please fix

[dire steppe]

only 1% of players would have that

[tidal flame]

1% is being generous lol

[honest kernel]

@dire steppe pls no ._.

[stiff aurora]

why is that an issue?

[tidal flame]

probably .01% if that

[dire steppe]

true

[tidal flame]

50 heat is insanely hard?

[dire steppe]

i think only like 20 people have done 50 heat

[stiff aurora]

so 100 people worldwide get to have the achievment

I don't see the problem

[solemn pulsar]

they didn't put a 32 heat achievement in specifically because they didn't want people to have to get it to "100%" the game

but it has an ingame reward, so they clearly have an opinion on it

[tidal flame]

a) I though you meant the 1% figure was the problem. So I misunderstood.
b) Now that I get what you mean, gating an achievement behind a hard wall is a no no to SGG. They explicitly stated this in a QA. And I tend to agree.

If you disagree with this, that's your right.

[solemn pulsar]

for someone casually playing through the game 16 heat is perfect (i think) for a final challenge for an achievement

32 takes some skill and time investment

[dire steppe]

the last achievement in bastion is kinda hard tbh

[solemn pulsar]

maybe they learned from their mistake

[dire steppe]

but that’s just without doing the NG+ or whatever

if i did it’s probably easier to beat the trial with all 10 gods

[gaunt fiber]

I like the Nier automata way

[solemn pulsar]

for further reference, 5% of players have the 16 heat achievement

[dire steppe]

if garmoth was a heat option in hades lol

enemies have 30% chance to deflect your attacks

[gaunt fiber]

Hard achievement, but you can buy them IG

[dire steppe]

i would just give up

[solemn pulsar]

32 heat would be <1%, 50 would be <<<

[dire steppe]

but how many ppl have even beat hades

the first time

[gaunt fiber]

I did

[weak finch]

me too, so that makes 100%

[gaunt fiber]

[sly remnant]

i've never beat hades

66%

[tidal flame]

same I just pretend that I did

[gaunt fiber]

Argh

we droppin

[weak finch]

Or do you mean on a fresh save? Than definetly not me

Seems like a fun challenge

[sly remnant]

hades too hard

in all my videos i just get to heroes and then use someone else's video

no one watches so it doesn't matter

[mossy zinc]

You have videos?

[sly remnant]

i have 2

[mossy zinc]

I was joking. No one cares.

[gaunt fiber]

Wow

That was rather violent

[weak finch]

[tidal flame]

Cyber bullying isn't a joke Nyaa

[gaunt fiber]

^

The stingy Fox is right

[tidal flame]

I already sent you so much thoughts and prayers

Ungrateful smh

[gaunt fiber]

but all he's doing is sending thoughts and prayers tho

lmao

[weak finch]

lol

[tidal flame]

Best I can do. Take it or leave it xD

[gaunt fiber]

pff

[mossy zinc]

The thoughts are lies. He doesn't think.

[gaunt fiber]

The anti bully foundation needs money Fox

[mossy zinc]

I don't know about the prayers.

[gaunt fiber]

So I got only prayers

That's even worse

[mossy zinc]

@tidal flame fake tears.

[tidal flame]

I'm being bullied.

[gaunt fiber]

well deserved imo

[mossy zinc]

Whatcha gonna do about it?

[tidal flame]

Ima clear 62 heat not

[mossy zinc]

Good luck.

Be the Fox you want to see on the leaderboard.

[tidal flame]

In that sense I'm already there

Back to sleep. Tail, clear 62 heat.

[gaunt fiber]

Be a better fox, donate.

[tidal flame]

I'll donate to GDQ tonight for the first time :D

So there you go :D :D :D

[mossy zinc]

Are you? I have edit access, you know.

[tidal flame]

There is a fox in the leaderboard.

All that I want :D

[solemn pulsar]

43.6% have beaten hades at least once on steam

[tidal flame]

what's the 16 heat clear rate?

[solemn pulsar]

Only 32% pet Cerberus 10 times

5% for 16 heat

[shy plinth]

https://i.imgur.com/8QJoGdk.png

[solemn pulsar]

10.5% for 8 heat

[tidal flame]

Thank you

xD

[sly remnant]

to be clear a lot of speedrunners have never even done 16

lmfao hat

[solemn pulsar]

An Eris RTA run gets you to 15

[shy plinth]

Making dreams come true in 2021

[tidal flame]

Make a Wish foundation xD

[sly remnant]

lmao rta dead af

[stiff aurora]

16 heat is 5%

[sly remnant]

compared to anyheat

[tidal flame]

Probably fair to say 32 heat is approx .5% likely

[sly remnant]

^i would agree with that

[mossy zinc]

Okay that's @gaunt fiber's clear rate. But in general?

[gaunt fiber]

pff

[tidal flame]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

I'm away above that, you ignorant fool

[mossy zinc]

Too high?

[stiff aurora]

earning all the companions is the rarest achievment for some reason

[gaunt fiber]

I'm at 7%

[sly remnant]

resource intensive

[stiff aurora]

you just have to earn them though, not max them

[sly remnant]

yea but achilles and pat takes FOREVER

[mossy zinc]

It takes a lot of time, yeah.

[sly remnant]

lotta runs

lotta resources

[shy plinth]

Dusa is a ton of ambrosia and also that last scene takes forever

[stiff aurora]

you only need to give her one for her companion

[shy plinth]

Oh right

Derp

[sly remnant]

i promise its achilles and pat that holds most people up

[shy plinth]

Yeah

Just glad hypnos doesn't give one

That questline also takes forever

[solemn pulsar]

a lot of people playing casually that i know just stop giving nectar after they get the keepsake because they dont see a reason to do more

and then by the time they've finished most of the content the idea of maxing out everyone for companions doesn't seem fun

[stiff aurora]

maxing all the useless keepsakes sounds a lot worse to me tbh

[weak finch]

just imagine you play without keepsake and play whatever

[mossy zinc]

Maxing out all the keepsakes was a lot of fun.

I guess it's not for everyone.

[weak finch]

Noticed i played way more carefull when playing with the butterfly

And go full Zelda mode with Dusa's keepsake

[solemn pulsar]

at least that has visible tangible benefits from when you get them so people are more inclined to actually do it

[gaunt fiber]

Keepsakes maxed themselves

just like that

[shy plinth]

Also wtf hadesprofessor

He has 18 weapons aspects at 50 heat or higher

[gaunt fiber]

all aspects is the way

[shy plinth]

Missing 3 swords, zag spear, demeter, gilgamesh

[mossy zinc]

There are only 6 weapons.

[shy plinth]

And there's only one Nyaanyaa

[gaunt fiber]

thank god

[mossy zinc]

goddess*

[gaunt fiber]

Nope

[mossy zinc]

Betrayal.

[warm osprey]

@north dove how close to all aspects 50 heat?

[shy plinth]

He's got 14 on the sheet though 2 of them are at 45

MIssing hades, achilles, chaos, baj, eris, hestia, demeter, and all non-zag bows

Zag fists and zag shield are at 45

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber nice try, but Lady Aphrodite emoji work on me.

[daring hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/796140938560667748/20210105161717_1.jpg whyyy

[gaunt fiber]

Still better

Congratz buddy

[gaunt fiber]

But there's one

[mossy zinc]

Obvious. No Repulse Shot.

[mossy zinc]

Exactly.

[rain sedge]

nice fully loaded

[gaunt fiber]

So it worked.

[daring hedge]

that was my last attempt at trying to get deadly strike in styx

cannot believe this game sometimes

[mossy zinc]

You'd have a chance at getting it if you put something on your Special or Cast, you know . . .

[daring hedge]

shhh

listen after i rolled twice on a trial artemis after already getting hunter dash, i just gave up mostly

[ripe crane]

Why shackle

[shy plinth]

Once you go shackle you never go backle

[ripe crane]

Oh I see

[mossy zinc]

So we all feel bad about our worse times with better builds.

[daring hedge]

shackle is really good for rama imo if you can't get deadly strike

which like, i really did try

[stiff aurora]

omfg I went into the wrong room and missed pat rip run

[mossy zinc]

It looks more like you really tried to get no core boons.

[daring hedge]

underworld customs

and i used all my rolls on that trial artemis

[warm osprey]

do I have to kill meg for her to show up in the house?

[shy plinth]

It's random I think

[sly remnant]

i believe you have to beat furies

and then its still a dice roll (just one weighted in your favor)

[warm osprey]

ah ok

[gaunt fiber]

Are you running meg romance%

[warm osprey]

pretty much lol

[daring hedge]

i used up all my luck for the year already https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/796151670031646730/20210105170047_1.jpg

[honest kernel]

What in the name of heck

[rain sedge]

0 8 . 3 6

[honest kernel]

That's a solid anyheat time

[tidal flame]

what on earth

[ruby thicket]

holy hell

[rain sedge]

those boons tho

[tidal flame]

Tail what the hell

I mean yeah, but still

[rain sedge]

3 acorn charges btw

destroyed the current record by a full 2.5 mins btw

oh guess what, faster than the 32 heat record too

just post it on both to flex it tail

[honest kernel]

To put into context how good that time is

It's a top 65 time on anyheat

[sly remnant]

JESUS CHRIST

WHAT

[tidal flame]

Imagine if he equipped Earrings instead.

Probably shaved off 10s more

[rain sedge]

nah it wont activate, 2 touch of styx

[tidal flame]

oh you are right

[gaunt fiber]

POG

Congratz @daring hedge

[sly remnant]

the god himself

[tidal flame]

dude logged off and enjoy his vacation lol

[gaunt fiber]

107% lmao

"I'm not a speedrunner"

[tidal flame]

Tail "107% speedrunner" esque

[rain sedge]

lv 6 epic dash strike too

[daring hedge]

maybe i am a little bit now

[sly remnant]

hell yea tail

[daring hedge]

any heat though, not really

[sly remnant]

get that board going

[rain sedge]

ah I remember the time I thought i could beat foxman in a 32 heat race with eris

[daring hedge]

i'd need to get way better at any heat to stand a chance there

[sly remnant]

nah we need more 32/40 runners

[rain sedge]

how stupid of me

[rain sedge]

in the words of nya, anyheat speedrunners are just people who care too much about low heat

and as toxic as that sounds I actually agree, speedrunning at low heat is just basically a slot machine

[sly remnant]

there are things to learn in any heat

never underestimate that

[honest kernel]

^

[daring hedge]

yeah, like i know the basics of speedrunning in this game mostly from just having to deal with TD3, and working from there

i would need to actually get a lot better at the general nuances for any heat

[honest kernel]

High Heat puts a heavy focus on survival

Any Heat puts a heavy focus on how fast and efficient you can be

You reach a point, eventually, where you need to learn to do both

[gaunt fiber]

Can't do any of the two

[rain sedge]

are you gonna upload the video soon tail?

[shy plinth]

What in the hell

[shy gulch]

bro how we gonna get 40 heat runners now tail has demolished the category

[shy plinth]

That beats the previous 1.0 run by 26 seconds

Which was held by... Tailesque

[shy gulch]

also yeah confirming that any heat takes practice and is not easy

high heat does not train u for any heat

in fact i almost want to venture and say it works more the other way around

[honest kernel]

Does it ?

I'm definitely more worried about foes when I don't instant-phase them

[gaunt fiber]

high high high heat is any heat training right

be fast or be dead

[daring hedge]

for sure, yeah

[honest kernel]

Kinda

I want to see that madness of a run

[daring hedge]

like baj said earlier, survival and playing smart is huge at high heat

a lot of times in any heat you can throw your body at things without much regard for yourself

[shy plinth]

I'd guess the boss fights are the biggest difference

Especially the hades fight

[honest kernel]

In fact, the only part of the run at Any Heat you need to worry about is Hades

And even then

Unless you picked literally no centaur hearts and died a bunch in the run for some reason, it shouldn't be a problem

Phase 1 you meg, Phase 2 is easy to cheese

[gaunt fiber]

"3 DDs, ok I can throw myself in"

[rain sedge]

I mean yeah it takes practice, not easy, but if we're saying that the fastest any heat run is the most skilled rather than the luckiest, then that's just not true

[daring hedge]

and i guess i should clarify i'm not implying any heat players don't "play smart", i mostly mean cautiousness

[rain sedge]

the fastest anyheat is just the one with the most free room + some degree of competence from the runner

[honest kernel]

Reckless would be more appropriate

And with the base game being as gentle as it is ... It works out to be optimal

[sly remnant]

some degreee of competence is vastly underselling it

[honest kernel]

Especially when Revenge Boons are a thing

[daring hedge]

cautiousness in regards to high heat, i mean

[shy plinth]

I'd phrase it that any heat can assume survival while high heat cannot

[daring hedge]

any heat can absolutely get reckless

[sly remnant]

there's a reason bablo had the record on most aspects

[shy plinth]

That base assumption dramatically changes the shape of the run, focus on damage output vs focus on precision and defense

[honest kernel]

Must have misread the context here hol' up

Oh. Ok, fair enough

[gaunt fiber]

"Any heat is just a lof of runs"

Lili told me that today

[honest kernel]

Lili ain't wrong either

[sly remnant]

at the absolute world record sub 6 yes

[daring hedge]

to be fair lili is skilled and also does a lot of runs

[honest kernel]

^

[gaunt fiber]

He's amazing

[honest kernel]

Lili is infamous for resetting in Tartarus often

[shy plinth]

Yeah the super high level players are likely going to undersell the level of skill needed to reach the point where luck is the determining factor

[honest kernel]

Gets him top times tho, so that works out for him

[shy plinth]

They probably don't even see it any more tbh since they're so focused on room rng when their execution has been so dialed in for so long

[honest kernel]

^ Autopilot's a hell of a drug

[daring hedge]

for sure, a lot becomes muscle memory

[gaunt fiber]

When you say autopilot, I have asphodel flashbacks of you

[honest kernel]

LOL

[sly remnant]

also rta anyheat and igt anyheat

are very different

[honest kernel]

^

[shy plinth]

Oh yeah

[daring hedge]

absolutely

[sly remnant]

rta anyheat is much less of a gambling machine

[daring hedge]

snap decision making is a skill you really need to polish for rta

igt doesn't care

[shy plinth]

Wriste talks about that a lot

[daring hedge]

you can just pause

[honest kernel]

I really should consider doing RTA at some point

[gaunt fiber]

You'll start to hate Than, not sure if it's a good thing

[shy plinth]

Yeah it's another rng element

[honest kernel]

Well, I hate him already because he doesn't show up when I need him to

[shy plinth]

Wriste said thanatos was his least favorite enemy when I had him on the show lol

[honest kernel]

So there's that

[daring hedge]

i'd love to try more rta categories after getting a drive that lets me load asterius miniboss faster than five full seconds

[gaunt fiber]

Then go my child, you are free

[next marsh]

how does than compare to normal rooms in igt?

[shy plinth]

He stops the timer in igt

In RTA the timer never stops

[daring hedge]

than igt good, than rta bad

[honest kernel]

Also you turn off the timer in IGT for Tartarus survival rooms

Since these also stop the timer

[next marsh]

he still takes like 5 seconds of the timer going just to give you the heart, so i sometimes wonder if a standard room could be cleared faster

[honest kernel]

Not happening, with the 3-wave system used in most rooms

[next marsh]

probably not

[daring hedge]

yeah definitely not

[honest kernel]

Even with FO2, Than is a time save in IGT

[next marsh]

makes sense

[gaunt fiber]

You can also fish to stop the timer and wait for then to give the heart

[daring hedge]

and you can sometimes position the last kill next to the exit so than drops the heart and leaves before you exit the boon/pom menu

[gaunt fiber]

yeah that is more realistic

than fishing

but it happens

[next marsh]

oh yeah, fishing is a thing i realized you could do for than on my last run

[gaunt fiber]

always fish

[next marsh]

cool to see its a viable start

*strat

[gaunt fiber]

well

When I say something you can be sure it's not a viable strat

[next marsh]

@honest kernel what runs are you up to lately? grinding out 61 heat?

[honest kernel]

Today specifically, not much

Did a few 40 heat speedruns, only to get mediocre complete runs

[next marsh]

😦

[honest kernel]

62 heat is the new plan

But I'm not sure if I want to do that, or grind EM4

Also considering using DDs again

[next marsh]

just not taking the last RI?

[sly remnant]

i'm enjoying 32 heat speedruns right now baj

come join us

[honest kernel]

Yup

[honest kernel]

For me, 32 heat is anyheat

Legit

[sly remnant]

sure. and it is essentially any heat. but its dangerous any heat

[honest kernel]

... My 8:05 IGT run was a Skull Earing strat with LC4

Where I took a death after the Lernie fight to equip the Earing in Elysium

[sly remnant]

god gamer baj

i'd just like the aspect list to get filled out at 32

[lusty mirage]

speedrunners have a special save file with run history deleted to help with load times

[sly remnant]

and i don't want to doit by myself 🙂

[daring hedge]

yeah, it's not just my run history slowing it down is the thing

[lusty mirage]

k

[daring hedge]

i'd like to get a new SSD pretty soon

[rain sedge]

did we have this discussion before, where I link you to a <$100 SSD?

I can't remember

[daring hedge]

we talked about it before but i don't remember that

[shy plinth]

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-970-EVO-Plus-MZ-V7S500B/dp/B07M7Q21N7/ref=sxts_sxwds-bia-wc-rsf1_0?cv_ct_cx=nvme+ssd&dchild=1&keywords=nvme+ssd&pd_rd_i=B07M7Q21N7&pd_rd_r=ef365194-1c58-44ec-9628-7239a6f554a3&pd_rd_w=flLGN&pd_rd_wg=Lyk73&pf_rd_p=e0f994a8-a359-40a9-8917-dadca71c7184&pf_rd_r=QFJK28CXMJAKVM9PVRNC&psc=1&qid=1609890553&sr=1-1-526ea17f-3f73-4b50-8cd8-6acff948fa5a

This one right here

[honest kernel]

Is there like an SSD equivalent

Because NVMe is, IMO, overkill

[shy plinth]

You mean sata?

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[shy plinth]

Sure, though $90 for a 500gb nvme is a pretty solid deal and it is faster

[tidal flame]

well that depends on Tail's computer.

[rain sedge]

yeah that's basically what I will link too

I think I have that one

[tidal flame]

if his mobo has no NVMe port, yeah

okie :D

let's help this man get an SSD

[shy plinth]

https://www.amazon.com/Samsung-500GB-Internal-MZ-76E500B-AM/dp/B0781Z7Y3S/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1Z8QHSDMSU1ZR&dchild=1&keywords=samsung+860+evo&qid=1609890718&s=electronics&sprefix=samsung+860%2Celectronics%2C161&sr=1-1

Samsung is still ideal for SSDs atm I think

It's a little cheaper too, or you can do same price point for 1tb

[honest kernel]

550 MPs

Yeah that's still plenty fast

[shy plinth]

It is

[rain sedge]

I actually can't remember what's my SSD

is there a way to check it from the computer

[shy plinth]

Device manager probs

[rain sedge]

huh, seagate barracuda

[tidal flame]

i have hwinfo so I can check there

[rain sedge]

weirdchamp

but yeah I'd say samsung evo 970

this PC is prebuild so I guess I did not have a choice

[shy plinth]

I upgraded from sata to the evo just because my original ssd was smaller and I do a bunch of large file read/write ops

But sata is totally fine, though NVME might be slightly better for working with video

[daring hedge]

ahh good to know, thanks for the info

[shy plinth]

Depends entirely on what your comp can handle

If there's no nvme slot then sata is the way to go 😉

[rain sedge]

oof, hades is still 1h away

my head already hurts

guess I'm not staying for the run

[honest kernel]

In the meantime, Cuphead run 👀

[gaunt fiber]

Stay strong @rain sedge

[rain sedge]

has the cuphead started

it's still 10 min or something right

[gaunt fiber]

My body wants me to sleep too

[rain sedge]

idk astaos, I havent slept earlier than 3am this week

it's getting much, but something tells me I wont be able to sleep anyway

[gentle bridge]

cuphead still hasnt started

almost there, tho

[gaunt fiber]

Same boat

I need a reset

[rain sedge]

I guess you, me, and nya are all super night owls

[shy plinth]

Vorime on stream!

[rain sedge]

we're basically in the same timezone and we're up until super late

oh vorime is up

[gentle bridge]

vorime's being interviewed rn

[rain sedge]

hera?

I guess I'm not up to date with the speedrun meta, I thought it was gonna be demeter

[gentle bridge]

same

[shy plinth]

Def surprised on double cast weapon and no fists

[rain sedge]

leaderboard does seem to agree with my assumption that demeter is second fastest

I can't even see hera on the anyheat leaderboard

fastest hera is 87th hmm

[shy plinth]

3 weapon is different though

You want consistency, especially in the later weapons

[rain sedge]

I mean it's anyheat

but yeah I know nothing about speedrunning, just surprised it's hera

[shy plinth]

Vorime's 3 weapon submission on the board is eris/achilles/hera

I'm also surprised

[rain sedge]

and each run is independent, unless I'm missing something

[shy plinth]

There's a 3 weapon category and they are continuous

And RTA

[rain sedge]

yeah but there's no reason to pick hera over demeter if demeter is faster

idk. maybe he'll explain it on the run

[shy plinth]

Yeah curious

Also apparently Duunk got WR on 3 weapons today

[gaunt fiber]

again?

[shy plinth]

Yeah

Achilles, Eris, Beowulf

[gaunt fiber]

Wait maybe it depends on what your today is

[rain sedge]

loyalty card % is mentioned lol @true fable

extra incentive 👀

[gaunt fiber]

pog

[true fable]

im so happy

i feel so seen

[rain sedge]

make it 32 heat all weapons?

or 32 heat 3 weapons I guess

[shy gulch]

@true fable change ur name from Beowulf playor to charon% WR holder

[gentle bridge]

do it

[gaunt fiber]

best way to get barrel rolled

[daring hedge]

i'd be fighting some chamber load times lol

[gaunt fiber]

oh true it's RTA

Actually the only free category

[true fable]

true

brb

DOnezo

[shy gulch]

pog

[peak hollow]

What does SD stand for?

[true fable]

stubborn defiance

[gaunt fiber]

when you're bad at the game like us, you want to be able to die in every single room

[shy gulch]

exactly^

[rain sedge]

The run is happening soon

[gaunt fiber]

and we're still alive

[rain sedge]

Yeah I suppose

We doing bets on sac total number?

[gaunt fiber]

8 sack

[rain sedge]

I'm gonna do 9

It'll be hilarious if it's 15 though

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

You want this

[rain sedge]

I do

[ripe crane]

Vorime already cranked in room 1 l m a o

[sly remnant]

ROFL

thats the flood flare priority bug at work

[daring hedge]

it's amir tormenting him directly

[gaunt fiber]

amazing

[ripe crane]

What heat did he take other than EM2/FO2/TD?

[sly remnant]

probably TD2 to turn off survival rooms to fit in the timeslot

[ripe crane]

He has 12 heat tho

[sly remnant]

he might have fo1

so TD3

[rain sedge]

This is the worst RNG I've seen

End it with a 5 sac

[sly remnant]

this is the most cursed run

[gaunt fiber]

it's actually amazing

GDQ tier I guess

[next marsh]

is that a live speedrun?

[gaunt fiber]

sure thing

[shy plinth]

This run is unbelievable lol

The deadly reversal tho

[next marsh]

nice

[gentle bridge]

this cursed run is still incredible

[sly remnant]

he recovered really well

[shy plinth]

Fish %

Vorime is the best

[rain sedge]

Uh what did I just hear

Hyper sprint increases cast pick up range?

[sly remnant]

just cuz of mobility

[main pelican]

lets you move to casts faster

[rain sedge]

He skipped the exit wounds what

[honest kernel]

Funny, the heat I worked towards was 7, then I jumped to 16, then to 32 to get the statues. Now that I am back to the lower heat levels it’s HELLA EASY.

2 days of suffering through high heat has HARDENED me 😤

[gaunt fiber]

You need an EM4 fight

[honest kernel]

I will still do that

It’s not like I had a hard time before around lower heat, but now it’s SUPER easy

Do you get anything for clearing EM4?

[gaunt fiber]

Fame

[honest kernel]

Wait at what heat level?

[gaunt fiber]

Do a 32

[honest kernel]

NO

I will never pick that combination ever again haha

[gaunt fiber]

so that was 9 @rain sedge?

[rain sedge]

That was kinda.. weird

Technically it's an 8

But he took 1 extra

So idk?

[gaunt fiber]

Oh so I won

Yeah the run was weird

The beo was amazing

Then fishing and pet cerberus shenanigans

[rain sedge]

The beo must be one of the worst RNG I've seen

At least it's a 2 sac

[true fable]

oof that was a super uber cursed beo run lol

[shy gulch]

yeah that was the worst run I’ve ever seen lmao

in terms of luck

[dire steppe]

is it possible for a god to have no boons to offer you

[shy gulch]

I don’t think so?

[dire steppe]

i’ve gotten 3 trades once

[true fable]

the triple trade is a thing

[spring kettle]

It’s like impossible to get every boon of a god

[daring hedge]

poseidon 200% cannot run out of boons because of sunken treasure babey

[halcyon flame]

has 63 heat ever been cleared?

[mossy zinc]

Record is 60 by Tailesque.

Leaderboard is pinned.

[halcyon flame]

huh, wonder who'll be the first to do 63

[mossy zinc]

Tailesque.

64 is max Heat, though.

Personal Liability in Hell mode gives another +1 Heat.

[halcyon flame]

yeah probably tailesque lol

[ripe crane]

I legitimately don't think higher than 62 will ever happen

[sly remnant]

I agree. Max heat will be routed

[mossy zinc]

Smh. Y'all have no faith.

[topaz walrus]

as they say in a great and old (and totally not toxic) community, we just have to git gud

[ripe crane]

I don't think 64 heat will happen even routed

[mossy zinc]

64 will definitely be done both routed and unseeded.

[halcyon flame]

mortals are resilient and persistent

someone's gonna have to do 64 heat

it's only a matter of time

[topaz walrus]

and in the underworld, we have no shortage of either

[shy plinth]

You said mortals so I guess we're excluding Tail

[next marsh]

if other game's speedrun communities have taught me anything, its that SOMEONE will be dedicated enough to play for however long it takes to get it

[topaz walrus]

And as speedrun communities have taught me it's probably gonna be unintentional and done as a meme.

[next marsh]

yeah true, the dudes gonna be thanking his subs halfway thru the EM4 fight

[halcyon flame]

i'd like to imagine somebody does a 64 heat run for a video and ends up being the world's first to actually do a 64 heat clear

[sly remnant]

If a max heat unseeded happens it is a long ways off.

[gaunt fiber]

Unintentional 64 yeah sure

Unintentional GY 64

[green citrus]

GY 64

[weak gyro]

What is the highest heat Erebus gate it is possible to encounter?

[daring hedge]

15 heat, elysium erebus gates

there aren't any that ask for heat higher than 15

[weak gyro]

Good to know. Think I'll run 15 minimum from now on, even if I don't have to for unlocks. I've been simply doing like 10-12 with Extreme Measures 4 and Benefits Package, but I think fighting EM4 Hades without those extra rooms is a bit of a disadvantage.

[daring hedge]

elysium erebus gates are very rarely taken, actually

you aren't missing out on much

[shy gulch]

yeah i never take them

they're just so painful

[mossy zinc]

And one more! https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/796231769237880832/Hades_1301.png?width=752&height=423

17/24.

[shy gulch]

u doing all aspects 40 heat?

[mossy zinc]

If I don't get bored or frustrated with it before then or have an idea that seems more fun.

Exclusive Access in Tartarus is always fun.

[spring kettle]

Yeah, but then you have to get Poseidon and Dio in the same run

[mossy zinc]

Sounds good to me.

[spring kettle]

What are your favorite aspects for each weapon?

[dire steppe]

basic af: zag sword, rama, eris, achilles, zag fists, zeus

[spring kettle]

Mine are: Poseidon sword, Achilles spear, Rama, chaos, demeter, Eris

[ripe crane]

From left to right, zag, achilles, zag, rama, dem (zag real close tho), hesty

[sly remnant]

Exit wounds beo, yeet beo, beo, built in charged shot beo, tug beo, and super soaker

[mossy zinc]

You're so versatile.

[sly remnant]

Thanks

[dire steppe]

tylerop93

[green citrus]

Arthur, Hades, Zag Shield, Zag Bow, Demeter, and none 🙂

[tidal flame]

I can't tell what yeet beo is and I'm too afraid to ask

[dire steppe]

special

[daring hedge]

charged flight poseidon beo

great for marathons

[tidal flame]

The correct answer

100% of marathon runners for the game use it.

[mossy zinc]

Crush Shot, Guan Yu, dunno, Rama maybe?, all of the above, pew pew pew

[tidal flame]

Pew pew pew is like all of them

[daring hedge]

wait all of the above for fists?

i thought you didn't like gilga

[mossy zinc]

I didn't like it until they improved the input buffering.

It's not what I wish it was, but it's still fun.

Hmm. I noticed my DPS on a lot of aspects is better with Infernal Soul, but Stygian Soul is better for Lord Hermes boons.

Better to have Auto Reload in his pool than Quick Reload + Flurry Cast.

[glass patrol]

Does the contract option that gives you more enemy also gives you more coins? Since when enemies die they drop coins?

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

[daring hedge]

@true fable seems like your title is currently inaccurate 👀

[true fable]

im upset

[daring hedge]

you have to take it back, i believe

[true fable]

im pushing for it

i got a 2:44 with blade dash hestia

and slicing shot

maybe couldve done it with boiling blood/antos

[vital grove]

Zag bow, Hestia, Hera, Baj Shield, Chiron, Rama, Lucifer/Eris, Arthur, Achilles, Demeter, Beo

More or less in order I guess, maybe Baj Shield is higher

And Guan Yu too, forgot that one

[gentle bridge]

grats on the 40 heat wr @daring hedge

thats nuts

[daring hedge]

thank you

[vital grove]

What time is the 40wr now?

Sub 10?

[daring hedge]

sub 9 even

8:36

[gentle bridge]

were you really looking for hunter dash as first boon? or the attack just didnt show up?

[daring hedge]

i usually take attack if both that and dash show up, but i can run with dash without issue for all of tartarus and go shackle from asphodel onward if i don't get deadly strike

and ideally i want both deadly strike and hunter dash to help shore up the lower % boost of strike anyways

so grabbing it earlier and hoping for deadly strike soon after is something i do sometimes

[true fable]

tail can you just do 32 so that the 40 heat WR isnt faster than the 32 heat one

[shy gulch]

LMAO

[mossy zinc]

No he's going for sub-8 50 Heat next.

Any heat WR but at 50 Heat.

[gaunt fiber]

Good luck with that

Lili will get sub 6

[mossy zinc]

@weak mesa congratulations on 57! You can submit your run to the high heat leaderboard (pinned here).

[weak mesa]

Thanks! ^^

[sly remnant]

Grats on the 57 @weak mesa

[solemn pulsar]

57 hestia

[slender aspen]

I wish there was a better way to share he builds that people run on those high heats

[gaunt fiber]

We take what we can

it's more about decisions than having a build in mind

since a build would actually be a core boon and a dash or something like that

[solemn pulsar]

yeah 57 heat there is no build

[sly remnant]

there are obviously things that we like and those aren't too different from 32/40/45 runs. however mega high heat is a lot of skill and a lot of luck. You need both. And when those two things align enough for a run you end up with some weird ass builds

in general tho. at high heat. arti good

[rain sedge]

whoa, crepes just got unseated from rail king

oh nice this is the highest switch clear

[dire steppe]

the 57 hestia has no core boons too

that’s unbelievably based

who needs olympians

[solemn pulsar]

im super impressed at the EM4 clear with no boons with only shackle damage in <20 mins

[sly remnant]

hestia is a good weapon

[dire steppe]

hestia is beowulf

[green citrus]

Reload button OP

[honest kernel]

That's EM4 clear

WHAT

Wish I could say the same for Zeus shield, heck

[solemn pulsar]

given how awful DC would be for high heat hestia, 57 is pretty close to max viable heat for the aspect, I think

[ripe crane]

60 is fine, RI3 and DC0

Just have to be willing to play forever until you get perfect hammers and boons. Basically the 57 but with greatest reflex.

[ripe crane]

Piercing/Hazard is the perfect setup. Don't need anything else with those.

[solemn pulsar]

i mean if you're good, yeah

or be bad like me and have to luck into AP2 heartbreak strike so you can take acorn into hades

[ripe crane]

I should probably practice the EM4 fight at some point.

If I have a record to take back. I'm calling it seeded until I see a vid tho 😏

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/TTPWnpD

just wanna share this masterpiece

[rain sedge]

he's on switch, he probably has the same problem as me

*had I suppose

actually unsure, he has such a clean screenshot so might just have a capture card

[solemn pulsar]

fully loaded with default cast nice

you going for any heat speedies with GY?

wow there literally isn't one on the leaderboard yet for this patch

[mossy zinc]

That's why players can submit a victory screenshot along with their video.

[spice whale]

Managed to get to Theseus and Asterius on 32 heat, but died to them. :(

[mossy zinc]

That's still pretty good, though.

[spice whale]

EM Asterius is nasty.

[mossy zinc]

Want me to look over pacts to see if I can help make things easier?

[spice whale]

Sure.

[green citrus]

You can get away with not doing EM3 on 32 heat imo.

[spice whale]

I was mostly doing EM4 for the 10 extra heat.

[mossy zinc]

You can also get away mirrorless and boonless at 32.

[green citrus]

The heat boost is definitely nice but as you've found out, it makes the fights quite hard lol

[spice whale]

Mirrorless is kinda scary, tbh

[green citrus]

I thought we were trying to make this easier...

[weak mesa]

thanks guys :D I got some really good hammer luck

I'm on switch, I have the last 30 sec recorded but not more than that

[spice whale]

What I have enabled so far is:

Hard Labor 1
Lasting Consequences 1
Jury Summons 4
Extreme Measures 4
Benefits Package 2
Middle Management
Forced Overtime 2
Damage Control 2
Tight Deadline 1

[mossy zinc]

You can still submit your screenshot to the leaderboard, and it'll be in the Honorable Mentions tab.

[green citrus]

Oof DC2 on EM4 is bold for 32 haha

[spice whale]

I use the rail, that's why

Eris.

[green citrus]

Fair enough, but dang it still rough lol.

[mossy zinc]

Do HL5 LC4 and no FO.

You'll take way less damage over your run with HL5 FO0 than with HL0 FO2.

[spice whale]

So basically, No healing. Alright. I'll just have to be careful.

[mossy zinc]

You use Stubborn Defiance for healing.

[rain sedge]

TD1 on eris

[spice whale]

Ooooooh

I used DD normally

[rain sedge]

also pretty sure JS only goes to 3

[spice whale]

Yeah, it was 3

my b

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, you can def do TD3 or at the very least TD2.

[rain sedge]

just do TD3 for the free 5 heat

[spice whale]

I did do TD2 originally

[weak mesa]

Ok! Maybe I'll record someday but I doubt it so that's totally fair

[rain sedge]

it's on eris

[spice whale]

I'm not great at TD3, because my runs in Tartarus tend to be slow. :(

[mossy zinc]

EM3 is fine. EM4 is brutal.

They'll be faster if you have JS0 CP0 DC0.

Take free chambers and miniboss chambers.

[green citrus]

If you want to run an alternate like me, I also don't like LC4 on 32.

HL5 LC2 EM2 CF1 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3

And still run the DDs

TD3 isn't so bad on Eris especially, even if you're not super used to running fast.

[spice whale]

Alternatively, I could skip Underworld Customs and still grab 32 Heat.

[sly remnant]

if you use peach's pact i'd drop FO2 for EM3 DC2 and find the one heat somewhere else

[spice whale]

Heightend Security

[sly remnant]

Like nyaanyaa was saying FO is a lot of damage

[spice whale]

Scary, but it gives 1 heat

[rain sedge]

DC2 is free heat on eris

for beginners at least

I don't use it when I speedrun, but it's way easier than anything else that you can give to beginners

[green citrus]

I mean yeah DC2 isn't so bad with Eris so I'd take points outta CF or FO for sure

[rain sedge]

never take HS

guide is pinned btw

[spice whale]

Alright

[rain sedge]

check your mirror setup too (pinned)

[spice whale]

Got it

Mirror:

Shadow Presence
Dark Regeneration (Could swap that out)
Stubbron Defiance
Greater Reflex
Boiling Blood
Infernal Soul
Deep Pockets
Thick Skin
Family Favorite
Dark Foresight
Gods' Legacy
Fated Persuasion

Lemme know if there's anything that should be swapped

[sly remnant]

i like stygian soul for eris. it makes your hermes boons better and is easier to enable ravenous will.

[spice whale]

Fair enough

Swapped that out

What I always like to do with the rail is run the Zeus Keepsake for Lightning Strike

[sly remnant]

there's an argument for god's pride as well. what duos do you care about with eris?

[spice whale]

I suppose something like Stubborn Roots could be nice for free healing in a pinch. (Even if it's not much).

Then again, I shouldn't need it.

I'll go God's Pride

Should I swap out Family Favorite?

[sly remnant]

no nono

[spice whale]

Alright.

Just makin' sure my setup is good.

[sly remnant]

rest of that setup is good i think with those changes

[rain sedge]

I'm with tyler here, it also blocks out certain annoying boons. That said, it won't make or break your run, we're talking about 1% chance optimisation

[spice whale]

Perfect.

[rain sedge]

send us your heat too

seems like we're all bored at "work"

[spice whale]

32 Heat.

[rain sedge]

are you even back at work yet tyler?

no as in, your pact setup

[spice whale]

Ah

[sly remnant]

yea i'm back

pulled a 12 hour day yesterday

[rain sedge]

good lord man

that's more than I've worked this week

and I suspect will be more than what I'll be working for this week

[spice whale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/303238463795363842/796422728768028733/image0.jpg

[sly remnant]

someone made a pretty severe mistake at work

[spice whale]

32 Heat right on the dot

[vital grove]

TD3

Man you don't want TD3

[rain sedge]

damn, sad

it's eris phoenix.

[vital grove]

Do Td2 with JS3

Trust me bro

[rain sedge]

that LC3 is weird

[sly remnant]

i disagree with phoenix but its your pact

[edgy arrow]

it’s eris just do TD3 and JS3

[rain sedge]

I also disagree with phoenix, and I main eris

what is your plan with the LC3? you have DDs rather than SD?

[spice whale]

I have SD

[rain sedge]

then just put it to LC4

[spice whale]

Alright

[rain sedge]

and have 1 less HL or CF

the idea is you heal with SD

[spice whale]

CF0

Sounds good

[rain sedge]

yea you get more boons that way

[sly remnant]

yea i like CF0 too

[rain sedge]

and you can sell it to UC

[sly remnant]

things can't hurt you if they are dead

[spice whale]

[rain sedge]

I think this is as easy as it gets for eris, GL

give it 5 or so tries you'll get it

[spice whale]

Got it

RIP my streak. haha

[sly remnant]

do you know how to use athena DDs with stubborn defiance @spice whale

[rain sedge]

streaks is irrelevant, max heat is where the clout is

[vital grove]

Hey for someone new to Eris and TD3 in general I'd skip TD3 but good luck

[sly remnant]

x to doubt

[rain sedge]

*streak at any heat, if you manage to streak 40 heat like bablo does then that's a new sorta clout

[sly remnant]

ah gotcha

[rain sedge]

I think maybe 2 or 3 other people in the world can do what he did

[sly remnant]

agreed

[spice whale]

Delta Chamber Eris?

Never having to reload is nice.

[vital grove]

It's fine

What else are you offered

[spice whale]

Piercing Fire, Cluster Bomb

[vital grove]

Cluster bomb IMO

[edgy arrow]

go cluster

[spice whale]

Got it

[sly remnant]

ez cluster bomb

[rain sedge]

cluster bomb is the best hammer

I think

[vital grove]

If you can find rocket, get that too

[spice whale]

Chaos Gates are not a good idea here, tbh

[rain sedge]

that being said my 50 heat eris was carried by delta chamber, so maybe that's the best hammer

I mean, I'd take it for the time save

[vital grove]

Chaos gates are must take on TD3

[rain sedge]

I'm guessing you're new to TD3, so probably take it

[spice whale]

I am indeed new to it

[rain sedge]

you have 4 rolls and AP0, chances are, even if the boons dont help you, it's worth taking just for the time save

[spice whale]

Let's see...

Slouthful Ambush: No.

Halting Favor: Maybe...?
Pauper's Lunge: Probably not.

[rain sedge]

halting favor, what's the curse?

[vital grove]

Moves peed?

[sly remnant]

move speed

[rain sedge]

I'd take that

[spice whale]

Dash has -40% Range

[rain sedge]

oh.

[sly remnant]

ah dash

[rain sedge]

no .

[sly remnant]

i always mix them up

[rain sedge]

you'd die

[spice whale]

Probably Reroll.

[rain sedge]

no dont

just take pauper's lunge

it's a wash but you want the free room

[sly remnant]

i'm with schad

[vital grove]

See if you find special damage maybe

[spice whale]

Alright.

My Dash-Strike gets +100% damage

[rain sedge]

I'd take halting favor but for your first 32 that's kinda dangerous

[spice whale]

After 3 encounters

[rain sedge]

100% is... a lot, but it's negligible in eris

[vital grove]

Dash strike is useless on Eris

[sly remnant]

it way too early to be rerolling chaos for special damage

[sly remnant]

no its not

[hearty dome]

TD3 for first 32 heat ? that's rough

[sly remnant]

you dash strike all the time with eris

[rain sedge]

you just want to get it done, not optimising your run

just play it safe

[vital grove]

Sure sure but the damage is +10 for 1 hit or something

[rain sedge]

it's not useless, but it's basically negiligible

unlike the 107% dash strike king got for his WR 40 heat

[vital grove]

+gold can be good early if you have CF2

[sly remnant]

he is running CF0

[spice whale]

Yeah, CF0

[vital grove]

Ah nvm then

[spice whale]

So I'll go for Pauper's Lunge?

[vital grove]

It won't hurt you much and it won't help you much

But you saved time

[sly remnant]

ye. exactly

[spice whale]

Alright, so kind of a neutral curse all around.

[sly remnant]

small benefit on the effect. but it won't kill you and you saved a lot of time

[spice whale]

Gotcha.

Gemstone Chamber, Nectar Chamber, Darkness Chamber.

[sly remnant]

and rerolling chaos this early on a non-cast weapon is a bit sus if you have something bearable

[vital grove]

Just don't take gold rewards while the curse lasts

[spice whale]

Gemstones are uselss since I can't get $

[sly remnant]

ye

bruh play the run

you got this

[vital grove]

Nectar will pom your boon

[spice whale]

Arphodite or Zeus...

[vital grove]

Sounds good

[sly remnant]

don't agonize over every decision

trust your gut

[spice whale]

Gotcha gotcha

[sly remnant]

and if you fail look back on your decisions

[spice whale]

Gotcha

[rain sedge]

yea just chill

[vital grove]

I mean core is like lightning attack, if you can get aphro special and tidal dash that's great

[rain sedge]

the fun is on the figuring out

[vital grove]

Or do people run divine Dash i dunno

[rain sedge]

I'd take divine dash on first 32

• unlock athena DDs

I'd play tidal dash for speedruns

[sly remnant]

yea good for first 32

[spice whale]

...That moment when you have Than's companion and you forgot to take it off

And the Doomstone just... got out of the damage circle.

[vital grove]

Just treat it like Meg

Try to dodge around inside the circle to keep things there

[spice whale]

Early Thanatos.

Chamber 11

And shut him out. :D

Picked up a useless Dionyisus boon. (After Party)

That's some selling fodder.

Tartarus clear

Do I pick up Ares' Aid?

[sly remnant]

won't hurt you. gives you invincibility. its fine

[spice whale]

Got it

[weak mesa]

"Robbed Thanatos"? :O Do you get that by not letting Than kill anything in a run or something?

[spice whale]

Yeah

If you clear a chamber with him getting 0 kills, he gets robbed

[weak mesa]

Sick, thanks

I-i mean poor than :')

[spice whale]

I'm probably gonna run Skull Earring, since I'll be at 35% health or less

It's free damage. :)

ROCKET FIRE

LET'S GOOOO

[sly remnant]

what a high roll

[spice whale]

Coin bag in Charon's shop

AHAHAHAHAHA

No.

[sly remnant]

with cluster rockets its probably p fast actually

but completely unnecessary

[spice whale]

...Does Quick Recovery work with LC4?

[sly remnant]

yes

[spice whale]

Alright!

Guess that actually is a good boon.

Lucky Tooth time.

Or Acron?

[sly remnant]

how many dd's you got

[spice whale]

Just 1, still. :(

[sly remnant]

and is this styx?

[spice whale]

Styx

[sly remnant]

i think i'd go tooth then

acorn good too. completely up to you

[spice whale]

I haven't been getting lucky with Athena and her giving me DD's.

:(

Because I kept getting it when I already had SD

[gaunt fiber]

Random robbed Than passing by

[gaunt fiber]

It was huuuge

[spice whale]

Thunder Floruish can be replaced by Drunken Flourish

Heroic too

Taking that for sure

I GOT THREE LIVES NOW

:D

Greatest Reflex for +3 Dashes or +16 Coins per chamber?

What's the call here?

[sly remnant]

easiest greatest reflex of my life

[weak mesa]

Greatest reflex

[spice whale]

Got it

[weak mesa]

exactly hahaha

[spice whale]

I got +1 DD from Athena now

[sly remnant]

the hell is 64 gold gonna do for you

[weak mesa]

Good boon is worth more than money which would buy you a potential good boon