#h1-high-heat-strategies

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true fable
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including hyper sprint

daring hedge
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rending claws hammer does this but i also think it kinda should on its own too tbh

true fable
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which does reduce damage

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for the unaware

daring hedge
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and bright mentioning razor shoals makes a ton of sense too

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that's how i imagine a maim would like, hurt you

true fable
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i only thought of it because theres mechs in other games that make you take dmg if you move

daring hedge
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maim could also just work like jolted too

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but jolted exists already

spring kettle
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Maim as it is now is like a slower doom

daring hedge
true fable
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i started mhw btw

daring hedge
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both movement and your own attacks do damage

true fable
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its a good game but hades keeps sucking me in

daring hedge
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i have an embarrassing amount of hours in mhw and iceborne lol

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kinda goes for all monhun games but still

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hope you enjoy it

ripe crane
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Me like MHW

daring hedge
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i know how easy it can be to just, exclusively play hades sometimes

ripe crane
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I mainly stick to just one weapon, which I'm sure you can guess

true fable
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i heard something about a gunlance

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and was instantly sold

daring hedge
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someone guess my main(s)

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honestly don't know if it's unexpected or not given what i do in hades lol

ripe crane
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Guns suck. I like da hammer and sometimes insect glaive.

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Ha. You have been tricked.

daring hedge
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oh i've been bamboozled

ripe crane
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Tail is a.... switch axer

daring hedge
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first try

spring kettle
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I think it was watching your videos, Tail, that helped me play Rama for the first time

ripe crane
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I figured you would pick the most complicated one 😛

daring hedge
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my other main is hunting horn lol

north dove
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I think you guys can also guess which MHW weap I main

true fable
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is it sord

daring hedge
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sns or dbs thanthink

north dove
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it is indeed sns

daring hedge
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very nice

true fable
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what is sns?

daring hedge
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sword and shield

north dove
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^

green citrus
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SNES?

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🙂

ripe crane
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I'd play a SNES Monster Hunter

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Every time I see Baj it reminds me of a lvl 999 guy I used to play with named Baz. I was entirely useless when playing with him, but still enjoyed it just because I got to watch how skilled he was.

daring hedge
true fable
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wristeBigBrain moves

jovial light
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Oh my

shy gulch
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now THAT is god gaming

shy plinth
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Woah

mossy zinc
daring hedge
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twisting my words out of context yet again shadegrief

true fable
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its a small victory

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i have to bring up you not knowing hsprint gives DR

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because thats what we have over you

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as adam sandler says this is how i win

spiral drum
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What is the easiest first heat i can go for?

true fable
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have you checked the pins?

spiral drum
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I just did

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But i need just one heat

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How does LC1 sound?

tidal flame
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That works. TD1 also works

shy gulch
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TD1 is usually pretty free

shy plinth
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Like heat 1?

spiral drum
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yeah just one heat

shy plinth
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Lasting consequences is not where I would start

spiral drum
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TD?

shy gulch
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personally I think hard labor 1 is kinda free too

true fable
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TD is fine

shy plinth
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Tight deadline, damage control, convenience fee, jury summons

shy gulch
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tight deadline

shy plinth
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TD1 is generally the way to go

spiral drum
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aight thx

mossy zinc
spiral drum
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IS THAT A MF RATATOULIE REFERENCE

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Can you pause / quit on tight deadlines?

tidal flame
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yup

daring hedge
shy gulch
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LOL

true fable
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gdi

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this is like webs losing 2 DDs in one room to a chaos curse

shy gulch
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that was a certified iconic moment

daring hedge
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lmao

spring kettle
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I think that guy saying you good

tidal flame
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lmao

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I really hope we can drag him on this server somehow, or the speedrun one.

daring hedge
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for real yeah

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at least he's added a bunch of his stuff to the heat sheet

warm osprey
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where do you get the 4 dice to reroll from

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I forgot

shy plinth
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Fated persuasion

waxen relic
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You've tried to kill ZagShield by taking away a bonus it doesn't have. Well done. Good Riddance ZagShield.

vital grove
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ZAG bow: if you whiff on Power shotting, your attack doesn't launch and you stagger for 0.5 seconds

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Power shot base damage increased by 50%

waxen relic
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Could already kill ZagBow by making Crit not apply on Dash-Strikes

trim sigil
honest kernel
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Died in a Styx miniboss room

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Not like the timer would have let me do the run anyways lol

mossy zinc
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That rat is worse than EM3.

honest kernel
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Legit

mossy zinc
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I'd rather fight Tiny Vermin.

honest kernel
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Why does it have so much armor

mossy zinc
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Right???

honest kernel
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Meg did half it's armor

mossy zinc
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Gives me Nighty Night Bruiser flashbacks.

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Every Bruiser Snakestone chamber was that but worse. squirtooh

honest kernel
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Yeah

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This little bugger is always funny to get

mossy zinc
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I thought they moved back its spawn point. I F10d the chamber before to point you just immediately get hit and can't do anything.

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Maybe it's only in the mirrored version of that room.

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Or I was imagining that they did anything about it.

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I think you should F10 that anyway to let them know.

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If you run into that again.

gaunt fiber
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It happened to me too

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is it supposed to be a bug?

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Instant SD proc 💗

honest kernel
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Oh and you still have to deal with the rat

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have fun kthxbye

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What's the easiest way to clear a 32 heat run?

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I tried Artemis+ shield

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And Aphrodite+shield

gaunt fiber
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pinned message + whatever aspect you like

honest kernel
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Damn I should've known a lot of people would be struggling lol

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My bad for not checking the pins

gaunt fiber
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It's fine

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You have flexibility for your pact tho, do not refrain from asking anything

honest kernel
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I appreciate that

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But the pinned message should see me through to Hades at least

gaunt fiber
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I would not say Hades is the hardest part of a run, unless it's EM4 ofc

gentle bridge
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as heat goes up, getting to hades is become the challenge of the run... unless yeah EM4 then yeah

honest kernel
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what happens if timer depletes

mossy zinc
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You take 5 damage every second.

honest kernel
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omg

obtuse prairie
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WH

onyx venture
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Not as bad as it sounds if you have a good size health pool and some DDs

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
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One second away from losing

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Nice

mossy zinc
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5 HP is all I need. squirtdevious

gaunt fiber
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Carried by weak once again

mossy zinc
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Need to watch the replay, but m very sure I would have died if my last hit didn't crit.

gentle bridge
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nice clutch win tho

mossy zinc
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2-sack mentality to get Lady Aphrodite's boon, but it was a slow chamber lol.

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Got Aphrodite's Aid, though. Worth it. 💗

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Unparalleled/10, would do it again.

gentle bridge
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gonna do my hestia 40 runs later, while waiting for hades agdq. ive done it once, and i wanna pr on it this time

rain sedge
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hades agdq 👁️👁️

gaunt fiber
gentle bridge
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yeah :((( its sooooo clooooose

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its just 5k away

gaunt fiber
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So past few hours have been good

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was scary earlier

sly remnant
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it'll be fine

gentle bridge
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it's kinda primetime, so im sure big donos will come in

dire steppe
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Can you dodge TD damage?

mossy zinc
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16/24 aspects done at 40+.

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No.

dire steppe
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What about bronze skin/beo

mossy zinc
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Divine Protection will save you from TD damage.

gaunt fiber
dire steppe
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And spearpoint

gaunt fiber
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Just don't get hit

mossy zinc
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At 1 HP. No idea about Spearpoint.

dire steppe
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Spearpoint should iirc

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Divine protection works because you can’t die while you’re impervious

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So it at least works for 1 second

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Tbh i wonder if you could get 64 by routing twin shot start and divine protection on rama or zeus

clever otter
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athena call should work as well, no?

gaunt fiber
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Yeah but Athena call ends squirtyay

dire steppe
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Athena ares poseidon all make you impervious

lusty mirage
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i miss @proud jay 's stream

dire steppe
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Tbh if you have DDs for whatever reason spearpoint > acorn for styx

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Poison is too op

rain sedge
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you think after AGDQ run this server will get a huge influx of people?

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or is it already well-known how good hades is, and therefore, unlikely to see a huge jump?

gaunt fiber
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Unlikely to me

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Tbh watching Hades without playing it is kinda painful

rain sedge
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I guess so

gentle bridge
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ill be more hopeful and say yeah. not much, but there might be a bunch who'll try it out

gaunt fiber
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oh people will definitely try it out

rain sedge
dire steppe
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i wonder if i would have liked hades if i got it during early access

rain sedge
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someone said AGDQ didnt allow the race, which is a weirdchamp

dire steppe
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maybe i would have disliked it for not enough content

gaunt fiber
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I agree Schad, it should be a 40 heat GY speedrun

gentle bridge
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didnt allow the race? huh

rain sedge
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idk feels like it needs to be at least 32 to make it interesting

dire steppe
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that being said i played noita in early access and liked it a lot and now in 1.0 there’s so much more content and it’s even harder and i suck

rain sedge
gentle bridge
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tbh, i thought hades would just be in agdq, and there'll be some incentive like 32 heat or smth

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also, less than 1k away from hades. awesome

rain sedge
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astaos got a spare 1k lying around

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he'll do it

gaunt fiber
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Nice then I can slam my donation during the run

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"Aphrodite is truth, Guan Yu is the path"

gentle bridge
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shouldve waited for mine. just sat there;s a hades notebook up for grabs. oh well

gaunt fiber
dire steppe
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in all seriousness, routed 64 with tart divine protection doesn’t seem that far off now that 62 unrouted is happening

gentle bridge
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most probably. that'll be exciting to watch

gaunt fiber
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tartarus divine protection?

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Idk if that's optimal, seems a bit slow

ripe crane
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You have to take no damage the rest of the run, slow is irrelevant

dire steppe
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slow

divine protection

gaunt fiber
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So you bank on a no hit run, good luck

ripe crane
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Yup

dire steppe
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Well it’s either that or you’d have to do a full route

gaunt fiber
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I don't see EM4 no hit

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Adds, skulls, darkness

dire steppe
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Apparently the room rewards aren’t just rng

gaunt fiber
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Random urns spawn

dire steppe
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And it tries to skew you toward the predetermined ratio of blue to gold

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Someone said that in the speed server

rain sedge
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yes, I even said this yesterday

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it's not a static RNG, it's pRNG

dire steppe
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That’s not actually what prng means but ok

rain sedge
dire steppe
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Basically any rng you’ll encounter in any context is a PRNG

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I do understand what you’re going for, but pseudo RNG means that it doesn’t come from an environmental true random source and is the output of a semi-unpredictable function instead

rain sedge
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I know that, I was just trying to make it easy to understand

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but my bad to try to help you since you're already so smart anyway, I will keep this in mind in the future 🙂 🙂

dire steppe
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thanks for linking the formula though

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and i didn’t know that it counted boss darkness for that

gaunt fiber
tame mist
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people keep talking about TD, what does it stand for tho i forget

dire steppe
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tight deadline lol

tame mist
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ok

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question: lest say i go past TD deadline in tartarus then while im taking damage i beat the boss, will i still take damage in asphodel or will the extra time still be added?

honest kernel
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Extra time will be added

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But the overtime won't be subtracted from the added time

gaunt fiber
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thank god

dire steppe
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Take divine protection and camp the hero fight (kill theseus first) to get a 45 minute td3 run

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Very good idea

honest kernel
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lmao

dire steppe
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I guess lernie is easier to camp than asterius maybe

honest kernel
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Green or Purple head easier to camp yeah

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... Just don't do it on the Blue head

dire steppe
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Is blue head the purple wave one

honest kernel
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Blue is the ramming head

dire steppe
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Like the head slam?

honest kernel
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Yeah

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When he does it, he just causes ceiling rubble

dire steppe
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I mean on em0 you can just... stand far away from it

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Oh the red circles yeah

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Those are annoying for divine roteftion i guess

proud jay
lusty mirage
gentle bridge
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hades is in agdq hooray

shy plinth
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Yus

solemn pulsar
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Haelian did a run where he ran out the TD in the first room of each biome so he was taking TD damage the entire run

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Very amusing

gentle bridge
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that was with arthur too, right?

solemn pulsar
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yeah for the health buff

gentle bridge
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i like haelian's meme runs, esp when he high heats them

vital grove
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That's pretty sick lol

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5 damage per second

solemn pulsar
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this one was just the TD heat haha

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35 minute TD3 run, with like 167 health left and no DDs

vital grove
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I guess a cursed flurry or 350 hp with stubborn roots would make it bearable

gaunt fiber
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Should I even run high confidence for fastish GY runs

rain sedge
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a battie plushie is in play

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is it only for americans? do they ship the prizes to europe?

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(AGDQ prizes includes cthonic companion plushie)

solemn pulsar
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if they dont just ship to me i'll ship to you ❤️

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or i'll keep it

solemn pulsar
gaunt fiber
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lost one DD vs Meg

rain sedge
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I'll donate then, the battie plushie will do me good

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thanks @solemn pulsar , very kind of you ❤️ but I'm sure some of my coworkers will be up for doing that

honest kernel
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I DIED AGAIN

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
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oh hello

honest kernel
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I AM SO DONE TRYING TO UNLOCK THIS DUMB STATUE

rain sedge
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how did EM4 go?

honest kernel
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This time without EM4

rain sedge
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pact/weapon/builds and we can help, probably

spring kettle
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Pacts you’re running?

honest kernel
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I’ll list them here in a couple min

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I can’t post a pic right?

gaunt fiber
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can host imgur etc

gentle bridge
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you can link an imgur

honest kernel
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I tried all day yesterday with the chaos shield

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Today I am trying it with my main the charon bow

spring kettle
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I know you meant Chiron but now I’m picturing Charon with a bow now

honest kernel
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Lmao

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Yeah Chiron

spring kettle
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It’s his alternate weapon when he isn’t using his paddle

honest kernel
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Hahaha

gentle bridge
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that bow's prolly blinged out with obols

rain sedge
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chiron is probably second easiest 32 weapon there is

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you'll be fine

shy plinth
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It's up there

gentle bridge
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is there any part of the run you find frustrating?

honest kernel
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I am doing fine up until the temple

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Then the endboss mobs kill me

shy plinth
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Are you using your companions?

honest kernel
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There are so many enemies, shielded, spamming their attacks all over the place and then I have to watch out to not run in any traps

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That part right there just eats up my Death Defiances

shy plinth
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Sounds like you might have too many points in JS

honest kernel
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Maxed out

gentle bridge
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ah

shy plinth
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You def don't need js3 for a 32

honest kernel
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Taking pics for the album

shy plinth
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And JS3 on chiron is challenging

honest kernel
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Will post here in a sec

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Yes

rain sedge
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JS3 chiron is a clear no go

honest kernel
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Like my bow does awesome single target dps

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But since there are soooo many enemies I can’t get a good shot in

gentle bridge
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js1 on chiron is still pretty tough imo on 32

shy plinth
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Def curious to see the pact config

rain sedge
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eh, for your first 32, JS1 is probably easier than many other things

gaunt fiber
honest kernel
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Here:

shy plinth
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Oh

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Run dark foresight

solemn pulsar
rain sedge
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this is a thinking emoji

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this is a HUGE thinking emoji

gentle bridge
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hmm

shy plinth
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Would definitely recommend deep pockets and dark foresight

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At 32 I prefer legacy over pride but it's close, also fated persuasion is way better than authority

rain sedge
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@honest kernel did you check the pin on suggestions?

honest kernel
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I looked over it

shy plinth
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Oh my

gentle bridge
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figured it was hl0 if js was maxed

shy plinth
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JS3 FO2 HS chiron???

gentle bridge
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dc2 as well

shy plinth
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DC2 on chiron is free

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But yeah this is going to take forever

honest kernel
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I tried to stay away from the timer

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But I might add that in

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Lower jury summons

shy plinth
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You're staying away from the timer because you're slowing the rooms down with these heat pacts

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Just speed the rooms up and you'll feel a lot better

honest kernel
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Yes

shy plinth
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FO2 is a lot for a 32, approval process is def not necessary and is a pretty frustrating pact

rain sedge
honest kernel
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Anything else I should change

shy plinth
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I'd def look over the pinned post

rain sedge
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I think I mentioned you should use deep pocket, dark foresight for mirror

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and AP1 is a bad idea

gentle bridge
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add some HLs

rain sedge
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and FO2 is bad for your first time

shy plinth
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Here's the mirror link

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Right under the first pin

spring kettle
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And fated persuasion is very good

rain sedge
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oh god I missed the part where he used fated authority

spring kettle
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You get less rolls but the rolls have more impact because you’re rolling for boons that you actually want

rain sedge
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well, I tried to help by outlining as many things as I could in the pin

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but if you don't want to follow said advice then maybe don't yell in channel with all caps that you can't do it?

honest kernel
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I changed up my conditions

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TD 7 minutes with no jury summons

gentle bridge
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thats a good start

gaunt fiber
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12 min run 4 sack vermin no natural athena no ME no hammer no everything

gentle bridge
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changing FO to 1 for some hard labor would be good as well

honest kernel
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Here’s the new pact list

gaunt fiber
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what's the aspect again

gentle bridge
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chiron

honest kernel
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Chiron bow

gaunt fiber
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DC is terrible

honest kernel
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It is

gaunt fiber
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So is AP.

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You'll want to go for an Heart rend build

honest kernel
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I hate that too

gaunt fiber
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You have Chiron so you're ranged

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don't be afraid of HL

honest kernel
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Ok I maxed that out

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What else

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Took out DC, AP

gaunt fiber
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TD2 can use some JS without too many problems

mossy zinc
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HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3.

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Should be chill. Just gotta take free chambers and not waste time unnecessarily.

honest kernel
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I’ll try that

mossy zinc
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Eternal Rose > Owl Pendant.

honest kernel
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I am using the broken spearpoint

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Skelly companion (only one I currently have)

mossy zinc
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Start with Heartbreak Strike and pick up Deadly Flourish or Drunken Flourish in Tartarus. Good chance you'll see either of them.

honest kernel
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He’s maxed out though

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Also thanks for all the help

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Just need to readjust to the new difficulty since I am only trying since yesterday

gentle bridge
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you can do it

honest kernel
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I got this 😤

gaunt fiber
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Getting fast will take you a while imo

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Don't be surprised to die a bit more dusa

honest kernel
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Is 5 minutes doable?

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I mean obviously it is

gaunt fiber
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Oh yes definitely

honest kernel
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But realistically for me

gaunt fiber
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especially at 32

gentle bridge
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yes

honest kernel
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Got it

spring kettle
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Tartarus and Styx I think would be the hardest

honest kernel
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I might bump EM to 2 and TD to 5 min

spring kettle
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I’d stick a few points in FO1 just to speed it up

gaunt fiber
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EM3 is doable

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really

honest kernel
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I have that at 40%

solemn pulsar
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remember if you're taking LC4 taking Stubborn Defiance

gaunt fiber
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But a gunslinger should use the rail imo

honest kernel
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RIGHT

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I am a huge Monster Hunter fan and the rail reminds me of the Light Bowgun SO MUCH

gaunt fiber
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That's actually a nice comparison

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Since both are dumb dusa

honest kernel
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Nooo don’t hate on gunners

gaunt fiber
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Always been op af

honest kernel
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Especially in World/Iceborne

stiff aurora
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I have not played monster hunter much, but I've liked the switch axe the most

honest kernel
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Ok TD 5 min is definitely not for me

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It ran out during the first boss fight

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I cleared the rooms prior so quickly ._.

stiff aurora
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That's not that bad, you're only missing a little bit

honest kernel
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But if I already ran out of time here there is no way it’s gonna get better

solemn pulsar
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tartarus is very slow at high heat

stiff aurora
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The later areas have less rooms until the boss

solemn pulsar
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asphodel is quite fast

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and styx is also pretty speedy

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elysium will be the real time test

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unless you get 5 sacked

honest kernel
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Ok will see how it goes

solemn pulsar
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in which case

flat wave
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i feel like with the time limit restriction, you save the most time in either asphodel or styx

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thats just me tho

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sometimes even elysium

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never tartarus tho

shy plinth
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I always thought that was a good weapon to add in some free points

green citrus
shy plinth
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That's what I thought yes

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Like DC isn't generally a pact I like to take unless I'm on a fast attack weapon but chiron peels off those shields pretty quick

waxen relic
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You deal quite some damage with the attack. It's not needed to Special on every enemy

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And honestly DC is never free, because it is always one more attack and it always stands in the way of summoning immediatly

green citrus
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Most Chiron builds are special primarily anyways though and hitting them once even with DC will allow the special effect to work.

honest kernel
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I had 16 seconds left against Lernie

green citrus
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Anything with Zeus attack build will melt DC also

solemn pulsar
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ok yeah in that case you're probably out of luck and should take TD2

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until you can get faster clears

waxen relic
gaunt fiber
# shy plinth is DC problematic on Chiron specifically?

The thing is people think DC is free on Chiron because the special hits multiple times. But you actually attack a lot through Tartarus (numbskulls, etc). I'm not saying it's Hestia tier but it's a huge dps loss. Just wanted to point out that DC is not free

green citrus
shy plinth
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Reasonable

gaunt fiber
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With TD3 it's even harder

honest kernel
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Ugh great, got 30 seconds left for Theseus 😑

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Definitely need 7 min then

daring hedge
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i would say DC is pretty close to free on rama

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special is low base damage, very quick, you want to use it anyway on everything first

honest kernel
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I also lose a lot of health running on time

gaunt fiber
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Yeah DC is made for Rama

waxen relic
gaunt fiber
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It feels nice to strip these blue hearts

waxen relic
honest kernel
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DC on Zeus shield is kinda free, especially if you go for Zeus builds

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You do hits really fast

mossy zinc
solemn pulsar
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yeah but you can get used to it pretty easily

mossy zinc
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Doesn't change that you'll take a lot more damage over a run than without FO.

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There are easier pacts for 32.

honest kernel
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I feel like I have to change something up

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Just a tiny bit

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I could possibly bump up BP to 2

mossy zinc
#

Have you tried the pact I showed you?

honest kernel
#

Can you show it to me again please, I know I looked at it

tame mist
#

it has the most rooms, 14

#

asphodel has 10 and elysium has 12

mossy zinc
#

HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3.

tame mist
#

and styx is just random

honest kernel
#

Oh that’s the one I based of mine

#

I really don’t want EM3 because of Theseus fight

mossy zinc
#

Use Stubborn Defiance, start with Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike and go for Heart Rend or Low Tolerance depending on what you get. Owl Pendant ideally in Asphodel for Divine Dash and DDs.

#

EM3 with Chiron shouldn't be much of an issue.

honest kernel
#

^

mossy zinc
#

And you can take 3 Heat off something else.

#

You'll also do EM3 without FO, so he's not super speedy or anything.

honest kernel
#

This is what I have currently selected

mossy zinc
#

You should max out LC and take Stubborn Defiance.

honest kernel
#

Ok I’ll try that

sly remnant
#

yep nyaanyaa is steering you right

#

listen to her

honest kernel
#

I do

#

I got this 😤

sly remnant
#

also

#

i effin hate

#

how much sword requires double edge

green citrus
#

Arthur doesn't require double edge 🙂

sly remnant
#

i'm working on nemesis tho

honest kernel
#

Spears are my most favorite weapon type in general and I feel like the spear really isn’t that good at higher heat here

sly remnant
#

trying to get sub 10 at 32

#

i finished a run with a 4 sac and no double edge just do see the endscreen

#

but god

#

i don't want to reset in tart for dedge

mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

Does something happen if you clear 20 heat with a weapon?

mossy zinc
#

It's like half an aspect without Double Edge.

honest kernel
#

Some guys were talking about it yesterday

green citrus
#

Yeah, the issue is trying to use Nemesis. I'd just reset if you don't get it off rip hammer tbh

mossy zinc
#

20 is the last Heat that gives bounties.

honest kernel
#

Oooh

#

Interesting

mossy zinc
#

25 in Hell mode.

honest kernel
#

So anything beyond 20 is just for a personal challenge?

alpine sleet
#

how's ||lucifer|| in high heat?

mossy zinc
#

32 for Skelly's Prize. Otherwise, yes.

#

Spoilers are okay in this channel.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
#

Bablo likes Lucifer a lot at 40. I don't.

#

Aspect is not gonna hold you back though ultimately.

sly remnant
#

triple bomb lightning attack will take you places

alpine sleet
#

ah alr

proud jay
#

lucifer pumps out a ton of damage

sly remnant
green citrus
#

I think it's definitely viable with the right hammers. The one that scales the damage up faster is pretty solid.

#

You can keep your distance much easier too imo

sly remnant
#

nemesis is good just so hammer dependent

mossy zinc
#

Nemesis is half as fast without Double Edge.

green citrus
#

That's the biggest complaint of the weapon haha. There's a reason we don't see it too much in 3 weps or races. There's a couple people trying it but it's hard to deal without double edge for sure.

mossy zinc
#

So much point-blank fighting, so little reward.

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
#

achilles can work with 2 hammers at least

green citrus
sly remnant
#

instead of literally one

gaunt fiber
#

Lmao

#

Was asking bc I don't really know anything about speedruns

#

Maybe Achilles has a back up plan without flurry jab or something

sly remnant
#

yea you can do serrated

green citrus
#

I mean it's definitely also hammer dependent but like @sly remnant said it can work with two different ones and can be built cast or melee. So there's some variance at least

#

Nemesis is pretty much one build or fail

#

And you have to be an expert at dash-strike inputs

honest kernel
#

Serrated's the back up, yeah

#

Flurry Jab is what you want

#

Don't get either of those early ? Reset worthy

mossy zinc
#

At least Achilles also has Cast damage.

#

Zag Spear, though . . .

honest kernel
#

Yeah. Achilles speedrun tend to go for Zeus cast for easy rooms

#

So you have that edge

gaunt fiber
#

I heard Dunk00 about Achilles

honest kernel
#

Duunk0 is a nut

#

How much health does stubborn heal?

#

30%

mossy zinc
#

+10% with Touch of Styx.

gaunt fiber
#

Apparently even with Heart rend and Arty T2 serrated is not even close to flurry jab

sly remnant
#

right but achilles can do other things

honest kernel
#

Can be improved with Touch of Styx (+10% for 15 encounters, from the Charon Well) and Touch of Styx, Dark (+50% for 15 encounters, from Patroclus)

sly remnant
#

nemesis does exactly one thing

green citrus
mossy zinc
#

@honest kernel if you have a t1 from Lady Athena and revive with SD before picking up a boon from her, she can give you a DD with Last Stand or Deathless Stand, and your SD will replenish in the next chamber like normal.

sly remnant
#

@green citrus go live

green citrus
mossy zinc
#

Her DDs will also be affected by any Touches of Styx you have.

sly remnant
honest kernel
#

^

#

Without a "double" hammer, prepare for a slugfest

gaunt fiber
#

You're speedrunning with Arthur already

green citrus
#

I only want to do it once and put it on the board lol

gaunt fiber
#

It's only a bit more painful

sly remnant
#

whats your 40 time again on arthur?

green citrus
sly remnant
#

thats insane

honest kernel
#

... Safe to assume you had Double-Edge ?

#

Because that's fast

sly remnant
#

you are the only person i know willing to play arthur that much but props to ya

green citrus
#

I had a 10:45 or so that I died to Hades shadeohboy

honest kernel
green citrus
#

I actually typically run Breaching Slash and Shadow Slash but I'll pickup double edge if it's there

honest kernel
#

almost

sly remnant
#

what

gaunt fiber
#

That's a clean death

#

Very anime

honest kernel
#

"Wide open" indeed

green citrus
honest kernel
#

As I panicked because of the way he dashed around me and I lost count of the number of times he dashed

#

ONE block and I was fine

#

ONE

#

He was dead to call

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

Oh that's a shame

#

You'll get there!

green citrus
#

But oof nonetheless lol

honest kernel
#

3-sack with a tiny vermin

gaunt fiber
#

Good runs are always 3 sack

mortal mango
#

any basic tips on how to use rama?

green citrus
mossy zinc
#

Pew pew pew then kapew with the big pew.

shy plinth
#

Woah woah let's not get too technical

mortal mango
#

when do I pew pew left button and when do I pew pew right button

#

I won a run by just pew pew left button but like idk what im doing lmao

#

oh mr wr is typing

daring hedge
#

pew pew special button always before attacking unless you don't have DC on and can kill whatever enemy it is

#

it's a free damage boost so you use special a whole lot

#

even when you don't necessarily need to use it, you can just quickly get one out to refresh the debuff

mortal mango
#

what are your thoughts on boons/builds? seems like you go with the flow sometimes I see you with shackle sometimes artemis I think I saw an aphro attack in there once

honest kernel
#

If I recall, you can also buffer a dash while the special is shooting

#

So that makes it easier to be efficient

daring hedge
mossy zinc
#

Just gonna need to get experience and practice to know when you need the damage boost from Shared Suffering to kill and when you can kill with just a Power Shot or even a snap release.

honest kernel
#

Shackle can hold on it's own fine ... until you run EM4 TD3

daring hedge
#

deadly strike is ideal with the right setup of hammers

mortal mango
#

does shared suffering work on the same enemy the attack hits?

true fable
#

im actually wondering

daring hedge
#

yes

true fable
#

yes it does

mortal mango
#

thats pretty great okay ill try something more serious

true fable
#

isnt deadly strike theoretically only better with +attack/dash strike bonuses

daring hedge
#

that's why you always, always apply shared suffering unless it's a low health enemy that can be deleted

honest kernel
#

Deadly Strike is better for rooms

daring hedge
#

which isn't hard to get

honest kernel
#

because one crit and you wipe any enemy with the debuff

mossy zinc
#

Shared Suffering is +60% already.

honest kernel
#

^

#

Technically ?

true fable
#

fair point

daring hedge
#

shared suffering carries over the damage from crits, as well. so you can crit one enemy, and another will take 60% of a 3x attack

#

it's incredibly potent

true fable
#

👌

honest kernel
#

on Zeus shield, I'd rather want Artemis attack or special instead of Shackles

spring kettle
#

Ok, so heart rend Rama, Artemis on attack, Aphrodite on special?

honest kernel
#

on Special because the numbers are actually well in Artemis' favor, and attack because of shield hammers giving a good chunk of +damage%

gaunt fiber
daring hedge
#

heart rend rama is good for bosses but likely will make no difference on normal enemies

true fable
#

ok

daring hedge
#

it's nice but not anywhere close to needed or necessary

true fable
#

whats ideal for spec in your op

#

dio/zeus?

honest kernel
#

Zeus/Dio

#

Maybe Demeter ?

spring kettle
#

Yeah, normally I like sticking Zeus or ares on special but when I see duo potential, I get it

daring hedge
#

demeter, in my opinion

#

for high heat

true fable
#

artemis bouldy

daring hedge
#

zeus is still a good one for clearing tangential DC hearts and all

#

but the utility of frost flourish is huge for safety

#

especially versus EM4

true fable
#

i think zeus has become the popular speed one

honest kernel
#

And just in general, for a charge-heavy weapon like Rama

#

for speedruns you don't care one bit about safety lol

warm osprey
#

Demeter is sick for dodging

true fable
#

yeah

daring hedge
#

zeus special does very little in terms of actually contributing to kills outside of tartarus and flame wheels

#

i can see it being nice for speed but it's not massive

true fable
#

for sure

#

i can def see frost being the best

gaunt fiber
#

Demeter start meta

true fable
#

esp with those juicy dem t2s

honest kernel
daring hedge
true fable
#

it wouldnt be the worst idea i dont think

honest kernel
#

And might still do

spring kettle
#

And then first boon rare crop

true fable
#

you cant

gaunt fiber
#

I considered it on GY too

#

It's not bad but it was 40 heat only

honest kernel
#

If anything

true fable
#

im still waiting for someone to run the mom pom strat on high heat

honest kernel
#

For my 62 heat attempts, I should consider Zeus keepsake -> Demeter keepsake

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

Pog

warm osprey
#

I might just run demeter for hestia

honest kernel
#

The only bad rolls are Nourished Soul, and Meme beam

#

And if you get Rare Crop ? It's actually huge

gaunt fiber
#

So many Demeter gamers, it's heartwarming

warm osprey
#

Its 40% action speed right

honest kernel
#

If maxed, yeah

daring hedge
#

we hate demeter but we also love demeter

warm osprey
#

At 10 stacks

honest kernel
#

4% per stack

spring kettle
#

Meme beam can be good with crystal clarity

gaunt fiber
warm osprey
#

.6*1.4

spring kettle
#

Cold embrace makes the beam worse

honest kernel
daring hedge
honest kernel
#

Also Cold Embrace is legit on Zeus Shield

#

Extra duration is fantastic

daring hedge
#

my 50 achilles that got denied each beam duo in the same run

true fable
#

cold embrace is a thanthink

#

what a boon

#

cant believe it exists

daring hedge
#

and it was AP1 too so

gaunt fiber
#

It does something

daring hedge
#

that's how you know amir was at his AP control panel for me

true fable
#

tail youve done a lot of things before but if you do cold embrace hera on 40 heat im down to just call it on hades the game by supergiant

daring hedge
#

i've always wanted to lol

true fable
#

its so bad

honest kernel
#

In one of my 40 heat runs, on AP1, I got denied Deadly Reversal twice

#

lmao

daring hedge
#

i know everyone says it's bad but it sounds so silly and fun

true fable
#

i did it "for fun" on anyheat and ended up with a nice steaming 17 minute IGT run

daring hedge
#

did you have fun :)

warm osprey
#

Im on a new hell mode profile and I cant gift meg anymore

#

Anyone know why?

true fable
daring hedge
#

lmao

true fable
#

are her hearts locked?

honest kernel
#

For the relationship

warm osprey
#

Lemme check

mossy zinc
#

Guess she doesn't like you anymore.

true fable
#

^

daring hedge
#

sometimes you need to go through some specific dialogue to further the relationship and continue gifting

warm osprey
#

Ah gotcha

true fable
#

im doing my meg speedrun in 5 days so i need to know this stuff

#

im taking notes

mossy zinc
#

Or never liked you in the first place but did want the Nectar.

honest kernel
#

If it's maxed, it's likely dialogue, as Tailesque pointed out

true fable
#

what would be ideal? kill meg > gift nectar repeat?

#

to farm the relationship

mossy zinc
#

Zeus Aspect + Unhealthy Fixation + Cold Embrace is so much fun.

true fable
#

dont you miss the boiling blood

mossy zinc
#
  • Aphrodite's Aid and Smoldering Air.
#

Hades Tower Defense.

true fable
#

lol

gaunt fiber
spring kettle
#

You get the other furies after a few meg kills too, making it less reliable

stiff aurora
#

you sell calculated risk over divine dash, right?

mossy zinc
#

Sure.

#

Get the cash.

spring kettle
#

The slower projectiles are nice but I don’t think they make too much of a difference

gaunt fiber
#

Don't need a dash if there is no projectile dusa

rain sedge
#

What's a meg speedrun

true fable
#

new save file > romance meg

#

we need more category extensions

#

im hoping this and charon% get picked up

gaunt fiber
#

Do you have a plan tho?

#

Charon% looks nice

true fable
#

maglev has a general route im following

gaunt fiber
#

Might get WR with the Antos strat

true fable
#

i already have the charon% wr because only me and maglev run that category

#

lmao

gaunt fiber
#

Ikr

true fable
#

if tail decides to join in things might change

#

but for now i think im safe

gaunt fiber
#

That would be unfair

true fable
#

not sure he'll barrel roll me in charon%

gaunt fiber
#

Someone who actually knows what to do with Rama has nothing to do in this category

#

Maybe Hestia would be good tho?

honest kernel
#

Zeus shield could do it too

#

Maybe

#

You have the safety, and you can get damage fast

true fable
#

only one way to find out

gaunt fiber
#

Oh true

true fable
#

safety isnt an issue when you can just trade dds

#

i guess dds are an rta time loss

#

so it could help

honest kernel
#

High Confidence boost, m8

true fable
#

meh

honest kernel
#

It's a speedrun I'll take any edge I can get

true fable
#

helth good mmm safe

#

i accidentally left HC on for mine lol

gaunt fiber
#

But

#

HC is speedruns

#

It's not important it's not active

#

Does not seem to bother the speedrunners I watch

true fable
#

i have HC most of the time

#

i think

gaunt fiber
#

That was not a personal attack lmao

true fable
#

hmm

#

thin ice astaos

gaunt fiber
#

I have the diamond

true fable
#

diamonds are in short supply this time of year 🔫 dusa

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

Lmao

agile harness
#

Is tight deadline 3 doable? The fastest time I cleared was 22 minutes.

gaunt fiber
stiff aurora
#

there are 4 areas, 4*5=20 minutes

agile harness
#

It takes me longer than 5 minutes to do elysium and styx

true fable
#

do you have full mirror

#

companions? etc

honest kernel
#

Made it Hades, have 2 minutes left

agile harness
#

No, I have 2 fated persuasions but max everything else on the purple side

honest kernel
#

With stubborn defiance

#

Can I make it...?

#

Yes

true fable
#

usually people run the bottom 4 green except gods pride sometimes

honest kernel
#

2 minutes should be about what you need

#

I really hope so ._.

#

for non-EM4 hades

stiff aurora
#

omfg I get all the rare athena boons but no low tolerance

#

I got offered duos for every combination with athena and I have her legendary

#

like wtf I just want some damage

true fable
#

having off target gods dilutes your duo pool

gaunt fiber
#

You got this old man with a gun

true fable
#

you ended up with calc risk right?

#

you also have parting shot in your pool im assuming

honest kernel
#

OOOOF

#

36 seconds for his second phase 😭

weak finch
true fable
#

super doable

#

take your time

#

health is a resource

honest kernel
#

No way

stiff aurora
true fable
#

parting shot is the athena aphro duo

stiff aurora
#

oops my bad

#

yeah I got offered that

#

I wasa remembering that it was athena/poseidon

true fable
#

are you also running some combination of UC/CF/AP/RI?

honest kernel
#

I wanna cry

true fable
#

are ya winnin

honest kernel
#

This game doesn’t want me to get 32 heat done

stiff aurora
#

cf2 and ri right now, I might switch out of cf into more hl or js or cp again

true fable
#

yeah those are both hurting you

honest kernel
#

He had 20% health left

true fable
#

RI takes away gods legacy and extra boons from dark foresight

honest kernel
#

Dark Foresight is too good to pass up, same for rolls

true fable
#

combined with CF2 means its gonna be super unlikely you get to buy the boons you want

stiff aurora
#

yeah I noticed

true fable
#

you basically have a setup that gives you very few opportunities to get the boons you need

gaunt fiber
#

High heat is perseverance

warm osprey
#

can I just throw runs to get more dialogue stuff

honest kernel
#

I am trying

true fable
#

yes

gaunt fiber
#

Yes

honest kernel
#

yup

#

Lost so much time finding the sack

#

Did that a few times

rain sedge
warm osprey
#

gotta get diamonds and level keepsakes

true fable
#

a common occurrence

#

myrmidon bracer + GY for full optimal deaths

honest kernel
#

Should I try a different weapon

mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

Maybe Arthur would be better

gaunt fiber
#

Play a weapon you like

#

Get lost GY haters, out of my channel

stiff aurora
#

for my next run I am at HL2, CF4, EM3, BP2. MM, UC, Fo1,DC2, TD3

honest kernel
#

@mossy zinc I never had a sack in a mini boss tunnel

stiff aurora
#

I might get CF1 and even less HL instead

honest kernel
#

I have over 50 clears and it has always been a non mini boss tunnel so far

stiff aurora
honest kernel
#

Weird

gaunt fiber
#

It's impossible

#

If you take both of them first

vital grove
#

I've had sack in boss tunnels

#

It happens

mossy zinc
#

Sack is never in the first tunnel you take. After that it's just RNG.

true fable
#

@honest kernel seems like theres some confusion here about the sack

#

it has an equal chance to be in any tunnel after the first

mossy zinc
#

They can appear in any tunnel after that.

honest kernel
#

Funny

#

I am not saying you guys are wrong

true fable
#

the thing is, we take minibosses first anyway because theyll be faster than the usual encounter ones

#

which spawn three waves of pretty tanky enemies

honest kernel
#

It’s just weird that in my 50+ runs it has never been in a mini boss tunnel before

mossy zinc
#

You want to take the miniboss tunnels first because they're faster to clear.

honest kernel
#

Hmmmm I see

true fable
#

have you been taking them first?

honest kernel
#

No

true fable
#

thats probably why the sack hasnt been there

#

its a 54.4% chance to be in the second tunnel you visit

mossy zinc
#

You'll also want to generally take miniboss chambers over regular chambers anywhere because they're faster.

honest kernel
#

Hmmmmm

#

Aren’t they much harder though

mossy zinc
#

Especially if you have Battie or Antos.

gaunt fiber
#

"Never got them in a boss tunnel. I don't take them tho" dusa

true fable
#

if youre gambling you can take a miniboss first and take a normal chamber second but thats more of a speedrun strat

rain sedge
true fable
#

i find them much easier but idk what popular opinion is

mossy zinc
#

BP2 chambers can be much harder. Minibosses are predictable.

true fable
#

even if theyre harder theyre much faster

mossy zinc
#

And consistent.

gaunt fiber
vital grove
#

I have a strat for Power couple

true fable
#

even a vermin will be faster than three waves of bruiser rats

honest kernel
#

I will try that then

vital grove
#

Bait drop on gorgon, summon antos as he's about to fall, hits both

true fable
#

yes

#

that is the strat

next marsh
#

question for all of you, whats your personal ranking for double boon rooms? which gods do you avoid offending the most?

true fable
#

aphro

#

zeus

warm osprey
#

gonna get stuff setup and then try for 57

vital grove
#

Demeter

true fable
#

dem too yeah

warm osprey
#

have a feeling its not gonna take as long as 55

true fable
#

good luck roblox!

#

em4 im assuming?

stiff aurora
#

I can't dodge aphro and poseidon for some reason, other than that demeter is a pain

vital grove
#

Dio and ares are pretty easy

true fable
#

aphro cant be i framed iirc

vital grove
#

Athena adds time

warm osprey
#

ya em4

true fable
#

which makes it very annoying

warm osprey
#

might go for athena and demeter keepsakes

gaunt fiber
#

I would betray any god besides Aphrodite

mossy zinc
warm osprey
#

dont think you NEED to go shackle at first with TD2

next marsh
#

thx all

true fable
#

love is inescapable

true fable
daring hedge
true fable
#

no love for deadly strike though?

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

? is that a 3 second PB?

mortal mango
#

shotgunned everything with twin shot+point blank+heroic deadly strike. thanks all lol

daring hedge
#

3 seconds faster pogchampion

true fable
#

poggerschampion

#

speedy

gaunt fiber
#

It's improvement

true fable
#

congrats on beating your own wr

#

lol

next marsh
#

avoid: aphro, poseidon, dem
take: athena, dio
thats bout what i got from you all, anything else?

#

@daring hedge congrats!

daring hedge
#

never saw chaos so that was lame

honest kernel
#

If only I hadn't died in my sub-10 for 40 heat

#

HECK

gaunt fiber
#

I thought I could beat 10"12 but 10"09? No way

sly remnant
#

tailgod

true fable
rain sedge
#

what's your timing out of elysium to get 10 min split tail?

daring hedge
#

a lot worse than i'd like, actually

#

a little over 8 mins lately

#

my 1.0 9:02 was like right under 7 mins going out of elysium

gaunt fiber
#

Oof

#

I see why it's disappointing now

daring hedge
#

and i'm dreading the inevitable run where i do get that good pace again and it gets ruined by 3+sack

gaunt fiber
#

Speedruns :)

rain sedge
#

hmm looks like no matter what I won't be able to beat that sort of pace

#

I'd be lucky if I get out of elysium with 9 something

gaunt fiber
#

Except if you try to

rain sedge
#

currently being 5 sacced tho so there's that

true fable
#

i should try again with beo

sly remnant
#

i had an insane 40 heat nem get derailed by a 5 sac

true fable
#

i dont wanna take AP1 though

sly remnant
#

just EM4 it

true fable
#

ive gotten so used to having choice in my life

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
#

Sanity is a resource

#

As speedrunners say

rain sedge
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trying to beat tail is like

tidal flame
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Try to beat yourself

sly remnant
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^foxhope correct

rain sedge
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what's that thing where you try hard, thought you win, then actually you lost shortly after?

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oh yeah, life

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anyway baj knows

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xD

tidal flame
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A learning experience :3

honest kernel
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Guys this run has been my absolute highlight

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Killed Lernie, still had 10 minutes left, thought hmmm I should die so my stubborn defiance can hill me

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I forgot it triggered mid fight 😏

sly remnant
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i've done that more than i care to admit

warm osprey
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I did that on 55 heat after doing a hermes room

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really good hammer too

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think it was richochet

stiff aurora
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I did the maths for my health after SD wrong and lost 5 hp lol

tidal flame
honest kernel
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So glad I am not the only one here haha

true fable
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i can honestly say ive never done it

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so i havent gamed

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
sly remnant
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once i had fully loaded in tartarus on beo

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lava'd myself

gaunt fiber
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Nice

stiff aurora
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you loose skelly tooth after you loose Sd, right?

sly remnant
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i've never told anyone about that until now because i was so ashamed

true fable
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how do you

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nevermind

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im upset for you

sly remnant
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it was when i was doing my 50s

true fable
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...

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you got

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fully loaded

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in tartarus

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on 50 heat

sly remnant
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and i threw yes

true fable
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no words

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LOL

sly remnant
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it was like my 3rd 50 attempt ever too

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woulda been done with it about 4 days sooner than i was

honest kernel
rain sedge
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I'm attempting 53 and it looks damn hard for how unimpressive it is in this channel

sly remnant
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53 is incredibly impressive

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only 6 people in the world according to the sheet have done 53 heat

rain sedge
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oh yea, I guess if you put it that way it's cooler than #13 on the list

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so if I need advice on 53 heat using eris who do I ask?

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also do you all pick key or nectar on RI2?

sly remnant
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do you have a boon you really care about

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like

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cast in a cast build

rain sedge
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lightning strike

sly remnant
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nah i'd go key

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if you had like a common jolted and just lightning strike i'd consider the nectar to hit jolted

lusty mirage
rain sedge
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thanks tyler