I mean it's ME.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
rain sedge
since I can't tell if nya is trolling, I would go with there's a whole bunch of builds that are better and more consistent for 32
I have obtained an epic lightning strike for my 52 run
this is my day
mossy zinc
Consistency at 32 isn't a matter of builds.
royal wagon
also for 32 heat I am asking for shield builds specifically
going for 32 with all weps
mossy zinc
I just did Eternal Rose start on every shield. That works.
royal wagon
since I played mostly pre 1.0 I'm not super familiar with the other shield types. But alright aphro sounds like a good option
rain sedge
Consistency at 32 isn't a matter of builds.
just tag em with the RI4 LC4 run
mossy zinc
Most common build for Chaos Aspect is Thunder Flourish.
But I think that's boring.
I like Heartbreak Flourish on it.
daring hedge
i actually liked the star pattern just because it was fun to watch all the shields stagger bolts lol
gaunt fiber
🌟
mossy zinc
Yeah, I can see you enjoy seeing shields roll in a star pattern.
rain sedge
I got further on my 52 heat with thunder flourish and tidal dash than I do with lightning strike lol
mossy zinc
Schad: "I got that reference."
daring hedge
lmao
rain sedge
I do get that reference
spring kettle
Chaos shield has a less chaos pattern now
daring hedge
a much more chaos appearance on the extra shields though, at least
gaunt fiber
Chaos shield looks cool
rain sedge
all the good AGDQ runs start at midnight for me :/
tidal flame
Then stay at up mid night like a normal person
shy plinth
They get the vods on youtube pretty fast
rain sedge
it's still only at 32k/75k goal, but it'll be met, right?
quaint spire
My 36 win streak got killed by extreme measures hades I was not expecting that
ripe crane
What are your high heat strats for wanting to play this game again
rain sedge
What are your high heat strats for wanting to play this game again
barrel roll tail for that first 62 clear?
ripe crane
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/7...
Tempting 😏
ripe crane
barrel roll tail for that first 62 clear?
RI4 Hestia here I come
rain sedge
maybe the strat is to use zeus cast or ares cast to strip the DC2
spring kettle
Maybe you're supposed to take no damage the entire run
rain sedge
@gaunt fiber are you okay
daring hedge
astaos are you ok
tidal flame
He's embracing his bot identity
rain sedge
this is banned-word territory definitely
tidal flame
Dude's just vibing
gaunt fiber
I'm fine, thanks! I was wondering if the chan would look better like this
tidal flame
Don't tell Nyaa but it doesn't
gaunt fiber
It's a bit invasive
rain sedge
you?
spring kettle
Yeah, I think there needs to be more artemis
rain sedge
if we're being real though, Alecto lowkey got me going
mossy zinc
The reaction, it look likes Aphrodite took over the chan
Excellent.
spring kettle
Aphrodite is the goddess of appreciating high heat runs, because of how hot she is, y'know
gaunt fiber
And people still complain about the fact that there is no god of fire in the game
green citrus
The way Alecto says redblood is somehow sexy af to me ngl
rain sedge
chaos is best grrl
@gaunt fiber can you weirdchamp this post my friend?
dire steppe
ok trash god
gaunt fiber
<@!238040913715265537> can you weirdchamp this post my friend?
Sure thing
rain sedge
The way Alecto says redblood is somehow sexy af to me ngl
yeah the way she said trash god got me good
like why is she banned from the house yknow?
rain sedge
Sure thing
Thank you reliable friend
dire steppe
P e r m a - R a g e d ! ! !
still never understood what that's supposed to mean, since it's not like the rage meter goes down
honest kernel
...
quaint spire
alecto is def the hardest fury imo
rain sedge
still never understood what that's supposed to mean, since it's not like the rag...
I believe if you are slow it goes up slowly
gaunt fiber
The sad thing about Alecto is that she's right
honest kernel
I wanted the context first. On second thought, it might be best I don't go further
spring kettle
he eats food he finds on the ground
rain sedge
I wanted the context first. On second thought, it might be best I don't go furth...
good morning baj
shy plinth
I always admired Tisiphone
rain sedge
how goes sleep schedule reset and 62 heat?
shy plinth
She's very focused
gaunt fiber
I wanted the context first. On second thought, it might be best I don't go furth...
It's my bad
green citrus
I can already tell this Discord is going to consume me. 🙂
dire steppe
how many heat points do you get for having no sleep
flat flicker
Gotta give credit where it’s due, and she’s not wrong, I’ve killed 50k bad guys lol
flat flicker
how many heat points do you get for having no sleep
20
rain sedge
that's hmm, about 5 hours earlier than me today
flat flicker
Im jealous. Corporate life demands I be up at 8 even though im home
rain sedge
are you gonna stream the 62 attempts soon baj?
rain sedge
we want to see that 62
onyx venture
Did I miss someone doing 61? Or is 62 just the new cool?
rain sedge
you're super close
rain sedge
Did I miss someone doing 61? Or is 62 just the new cool?
doing 61 is just asking to get barrel-rolled by tail basically
honest kernel
I just go for 62 because it's basically a 61 but with CP2
spring kettle
62 is probably max possible
Unless someone somehow does a no hit run on heat 63/64
honest kernel
I'm not discounting the possibility of a full on maxed pact, with RI4
Since Zeus shield can play that safe
rain sedge
Did people never try LC3 RI4?
green citrus
If you play that safe you're dead to timer I'm pretty certain
rain sedge
or is just not very unviable
spring kettle
Maybe Chaos shield?
dire steppe
I'm not discounting the possibility of a full on maxed pact, with RI4
👀 👀 👀
rain sedge
Maybe Chaos shield?
not enough damage for the TD3
honest kernel
If you play that safe you're dead to timer I'm pretty certain
I don't mean bullrush 24/7
rain sedge
I'm not discounting the possibility of a full on maxed pact, with RI4
didn't you get to elysium with this?
honest kernel
Yup
gaunt fiber
Baj will 64
dire steppe
you got to elysium on 64 heat????
honest kernel
Actually wasn't 64 heat
It was on non-hellmode with no CP
But it was also the only try I did so lol
rain sedge
well it's not exactly elysium that's the crux of the problem
it's the whole EM4 without revive, without healing thingy
rain sedge
I dont think people can even get past heroes
honest kernel
Oh Heroes isn't a problem for me
gaunt fiber
I need to get better at the fight
I'm trying too but idk why it's so frustrating
spring kettle
a no hit run seems to be the only way
dire steppe
Baj: Hold my nectar
he's gonna somehow roll divine protection and take spearpoint and take as many hits as he wants
i believe
also can never die to TD
gaunt fiber
Divine protection might be the key
honest kernel
Pretty sure if I have anything Athena to the point I roll the legendary I timeout
Because Athena damage ain't pretty
dire steppe
it's just a core boon and riposte
gaunt fiber
damn it's a lot actually
honest kernel
For AP2 RI4 CF2 UC, it is a ton
dire steppe
but ap2 is not fun i guess
mossy zinc
One day within the next couple months @daring hedge will drop a 64 victory screen like "played really sloppy in this, Anvil saved me" with Repulse Shot highlighted and no Attack boon nor Shackle.
spring kettle
and you need to actually get the leggo and not have it crossed out
dire steppe
lego moment
honest kernel
I've had duos show up
But a legendary ? I doubt that's happening
Unless I take long trials or something
dire steppe
tail gonna roll up to the em4 fight with twin pointblank chain shot
daring hedge
twin, perfect shot, and chain would actually be amazing for EM4 first phase
yes
chain only messes with triple's effectiveness
dire steppe
is perfect better than pointblnak
spring kettle
Is it just me being bad with bow or is distant shot hammer pretty bad?
daring hedge
just safer for a lot of EM4 moments
mossy zinc
It's gonna be Sniper Shot, Explosive Shot, and Repulse Shot.
daring hedge
sniper shot is terrible
tidal flame
It's gonna be Sniper Shot, Explosive Shot, and Repulse Shot.
Ah the unholy trinity
daring hedge
i had two of those in the EM4 pre-death before 60 lmao
tidal flame
xD
mossy zinc
Main damage coming from Repulse.
dire steppe
that sounds cursed i should try it
spring kettle
I took it one time and then I realized I don't actually position myself that far from enemies when aiming
dire steppe
well you get sturdy from flaring spin
daring hedge
i mean repulse doesn't do any damage itself
so it'd be... a lot worse than flaring spin only damage
spring kettle
Budget Poseidon
honest kernel
Does Sea Storm work with Repulse Shot
dire steppe
it does not
daring hedge
it doesn't unfortunately
honest kernel
we want to see that 62
Back on this : I actually might just grind the EM4 fight
Probably stream it too ?
idk
dire steppe
i'd watcz
mossy zinc
i mean repulse doesn't do any damage itself
Don't explain the joke. 
daring hedge
that was in response to the sounds worse than flaring spin only thing
gaunt fiber
Breaking wave works tho?
daring hedge
yep
gaunt fiber
there we go
honest kernel
oh BOI
daring hedge
nah flaring spin doesn't
warm osprey
@daring hedge are you going for 62?
daring hedge
i've done a few runs just to see if i could get greatest reflex, and i didn't so it got pretty rough towards the end
i haven't started the grind in earnest yet
gaunt fiber
You go up until asphodel to get it? Or Tartarus shop
daring hedge
asphodel usually
daring hedge
only tartarus shop if it's the pre-boss one and i already have at least two boons, with one i'd be willing to give up for UC
i'm pretty used to one dash furies and lernie
gaunt fiber
Nice
daring hedge
champs isn't so bad if the damage is there, too, but that is an if
honest kernel
How reliable is it
daring hedge
but the lack of damage versus having a hammer that actually contributes hurts a lot
dire steppe
also make repulse wave trigger instantly on pressing attack
daring hedge
it's pretty nice but i wouldn't say it's handy to use consciously for everything
dire steppe
like even before the min c charge time
daring hedge
more of a side bonus that helps sometimes
daring hedge
like, if you're planning on destroying projectiles with it, you could just as easily... move
out of the way
gaunt fiber
Rama would be too strong with a good unique hammer
honest kernel
lol
daring hedge
it mostly helps with widening the window for stopping superdad spear toss
honest kernel
Actually kinda true
daring hedge
rama doesn't drive itself
dire steppe
most of the unique hammers suck tbh
gaunt fiber
not saying you're getting carried buddy
I just tried it a bit and it's kinda having charged skewer on my attack. Made me sad. Not that easy to use ofc
There is so much to practice on this game
honest kernel
Before Hades, is there a trick to finding the sack?
sly remnant
Pray to whatever God you worship
gaunt fiber
Nope, it's random and you can't get it in the first tunnel
honest kernel
I’ve noticed I find it way quicker when I go into rooms without a skull
mossy zinc
You'll find it in a Satyr Tunnel.
dire steppe
the high heat strat is to only take skull rooms
sly remnant
I’ve noticed I find it way quicker when I go into rooms without a skull
Confirmation bias. Its random
dire steppe
they’re easier and faster
sly remnant
Way faster
honest kernel
2nd try on my 32 heat run, now I need to choose a path
warm osprey
I only got past hero twice on 55 heat
honest kernel
Got 3 death defiances left and full health
mossy zinc
Not what confirmation bias is, but yeah.
honest kernel
I’m scared
warm osprey
is theseus fight harder on em4?
sly remnant
The difference between a 3 sack and a 4 sack might as well be a boss fight
honest kernel
Yeah that’s not confirmation bias
Theseus and the Bull were absolute hell on EM4
That’s what I am running
honest kernel
Lmao
mossy zinc
They're affected by EM3. Adding EM4 adds nothing to that particular fight.
sly remnant
Yea its a bad definition by me. Thanks for pointing that out
warm osprey
awesome thanks
mossy zinc
So psychology is going to be discussed here every day
Why, of course. If you gather psychos, there's bound to be psychology talk.
Everyone here is a psycho, right?
No?
Just me? 
gaunt fiber
Nope
rain sedge
Why, of course. If you gather psychos, there's bound to be psychology talk.
there's only one psycho here
honest kernel
How much harder is Hades with EM4
dire steppe
very
mossy zinc
there's only one psycho here
Who? Tell me.
rain sedge
this is misinformation. it's completely random, you can't get it on first tunnel. that's it.
dire steppe
even em0 hades is not that easy on fo2hl5 with 30% hp tbh
rain sedge
Who? Tell me. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
astaos duh
gaunt fiber
Yay, I win
carmine salmon
i mean its what i noticed, i dont ever find it on the boss tunnels (the ones marked with a skull)
dire steppe
skull doors can contain the sack
you don’t notice it because you decided to no longer take them
sly remnant
Very few aspects are "good" at EM4. At the end of the run its a lot of stress that takes a long time
mossy zinc
astaos duh
No, he has emotions. That's why it's so fun to make him 
.
rain sedge
.....psychos can have emotions?
gaunt fiber
lmao
dire steppe
athena call is basically Turn() tbh
gaunt fiber
.....psychos can have emotions?
checkmate
sly remnant
Retrash is very good at EM4. But no one can outskill the time it takes. You have to build a lot of damage and pray for a 2 or a 3 sac most of the time.
Fun fight tho
honest kernel
^
Even Retrash does TD2
Because of how much of a time sink the fight is
Guys wish me luck
I reached Hades
rain sedge
EM4 or no?
mossy zinc
K I won't wish you luck then, not a guy.
rain sedge
K I won't wish you luck then, not a guy. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
dont be like that 😦
honest kernel
There you go!
mossy zinc
Good luck!
gaunt fiber
Beep boop.
honest kernel
Heheh thxs
sly remnant
Good luck!
honest kernel
No
sly remnant
Oh god
rain sedge
a h .
honest kernel
My 2nd 32 heat run...
gaunt fiber
Be sure to share a screen of your build here before doing it
rain sedge
uhhh
gaunt fiber
it's a luck charm
rain sedge
let's have that talk AFTER this run
sly remnant
Ok focus down the ads
rain sedge
ok
honest kernel
Ok
rain sedge
it doesnt summon normal ads
it summon minibosses
you have a choice of sneaks, doomstones, power couples, etc
sly remnant
When you hear barking....go to the bottom right of the map
honest kernel
😦
rain sedge
you want to destroy these first. they will ruin you
doomstone in particular will just constrain your movement so bad
see add, destroy add
use your calls and summons if you need to
ok the other big thing is
it has 3 phases
rain sedge
and as tyler said, he summons cerberus.
each red circle is 50 hp? or something? and it's basically instakill if he hits you?
honest kernel
WHY DID I CHOOSE THIS OPTION
rain sedge
run to bottom right
honest kernel
he will destroy me 😦
gaunt fiber
Probably
honest kernel
WHAT
rain sedge
WHY DID I CHOOSE THIS OPTION
which is why I said we'll have that talk later
gaunt fiber
but it's fine
mossy zinc
it's a luck charm
rain sedge
- pause and ping us
- you'll surprise an entire channel
oooh he also got new movesets
like achilles spear throw
and that's kinda fast
cool, gl, let us know
honest kernel
I just want my third statue damn it
gaunt fiber
@honest kernel pinned message
daring hedge
EM4 is not necessary to get it lol
rain sedge
in fact, I believe I told you the guide is pinned, and in my guide it says EM4 is a no go
but do your thing first, and we'll see what we can do
honest kernel
Where’s the pinned message
gaunt fiber
top right
spring kettle
I Guess EM4 is considered more difficult than other heat options?
rain sedge
I mean you could activate the god mode if you just want the statue
daring hedge
it's a learning experience
pine tide
lmao
gaunt fiber
You'll learn not to enable EM4
rain sedge
but... if we're being honest I dont think you'll survive either
honest kernel
I am just standing in front of his door xD
pine tide
imagine running EM4 and you're chill and ok until you hear barking
rain sedge
what % is your god mode at?
pine tide
I ran EM4 once, just to unlock The Unseen Ones on the music stand
honest kernel
I think at 35%
gaunt fiber
Open the door, get blinded by the white screen and fight
pine tide
I want to revisit it once I'm good at the game
rain sedge
turn it on. you might survive this
dire steppe
What if EM4 enabled allowed you to skip the Styx tunnels and just fight Cerberus instead
mossy zinc
EM3 > EM4 should add 10 Heat tbh.
rain sedge
then you'll get the statue
dire steppe
That would be badass
mossy zinc
I'd rather take RI4.
daring hedge
I ran EM4 once, just to unlock The Unseen Ones on the music stand
worth it, unseen ones goes so hard
pine tide
@mossy zinc EM4 is 10 heat total
rain sedge
What if EM4 enabled allowed you to skip the Styx tunnels and just fight Cerberus...
if EM4 guarantees 2 sac I'd take it
pine tide
@daring hedge oh absolutely
dire steppe
No I’m talking 0 sack but you have to fight Cerberus
mossy zinc
I know that lol.
honest kernel
Well I am running the chaos shield
pine tide
@daring hedge though I do quite like the theme without the shredding
gaunt fiber
Well I am running the chaos shield
Nice, a slow death
pine tide
Chaos shield has a solid chance at it
rain sedge
I mean if you tell me I'm doing EM4 for the first time
chaos shield is definitely the weapon I'd pick
honest kernel
Can I block Ceberus’s attacks with my shield
pine tide
I'm trying to do it with high dodge zagreus fists but for some reason I just can't do enough damage
honest kernel
My current “build” is definitely NOT high dps
gaunt fiber
Be careful with his sweeps
pine tide
one problem with shield is you'll ||bull rush into darkness|| if you're not careful
rain sedge
it's not an attack. It's a falling rock cascade
pine tide
||in phase 3 that is||
honest kernel
Can I block Ceberus’s attacks with my shield
You can, but chances are you'll get hit by something
Not worth risking
Go to one of the edges, bullrush for the I-frames
I have divine flourish, divine dash and holy shield
That’s my “build”
pine tide
for ||cerberus|| I think I prefer to just abuse dash to not get hit
rain sedge
just get in, use god mode, and you'll maximise your chance
@pine tide this channel is spoilers allowed, as the description said
honest kernel
Because I had to purge boons to get here
pine tide
oh ok
gaunt fiber
I have divine flourish, divine dash and holy shield
yeah you're dead meat, just start it
dire steppe
This chat is the only important hades chat
pine tide
lmao
rain sedge
yeah you're dead meat, just start it
yo I didnt wanna put it like that
pine tide
haha
rain sedge
why do you do this to a man
dire steppe
Okay but. What if hell mode forced EM4 instead of CP1
spring kettle
you only get em4 after you're done with story tho
pine tide
?
dire steppe
You only get the pact in the real game once you escape
pine tide
EM4 unlocks way before the end of the story dysphere
I have 1 heart with most olympians and I still have EM4
dire steppe
It’s kind of weird how you can’t turn off keepsakes
honest kernel
I am ready to die
rain sedge
This chat is the only important hades chat
if we're being real, which I always am, this is the only tolerable channel in this discord
dire steppe
The closest you can get is taking Distant Memory
honest kernel
Y’all are awesome
pine tide
I definitely saw the Extremer Measures unlock way before getting the credits
rain sedge
the other channels has.... a lot of uh, interesting characters
honest kernel
pine tide
I didn't run it until after getting the credits but I definitely saw the unlock before then
gaunt fiber
Y’all are awesome
True
dire steppe
Seriously I have no idea how you’re supposed to use that thing
gaunt fiber
Worst keepsake imo
pine tide
lol
rain sedge
just take dusa keepsake at LC4
gaunt fiber
^
honest kernel
Ergo, Feather Duster > Distant Memory
spring kettle
I heard you need to be really far for distant memory to proc
honest kernel
very
gaunt fiber
Yes it's too much
rain sedge
you LITERALLY have to hit beyond the height of your screen in distance
daring hedge
baj is right
spring kettle
For what it's worth, on my 3 runs with distant memory, I couldn't tell if it procced
daring hedge
distant memory asks a lot in terms of ridiculous spacing for very little reward
gaunt fiber
For what it's worth, on my 3 runs with distant memory, I couldn't tell if it pro...
You should do the Zag sword distant memory challenge
gaunt fiber
it works on cast yeah
rain sedge
meme beam with distant memory
spring kettle
A melee weapon definitely wouldn't be able to get it work
rain sedge
you heard it here first
pine tide
no I mean for the challenge
spring kettle
Maybe Demeter's casts? Or the bow?
gaunt fiber
Yeah it adds a small amount
pine tide
does distant memory on meme beam care how far YOU are from the enemy or how far IT is from the enemy?
daring hedge
beam or some weird lightning rod antics could work. but work is a strong word here
daring hedge
does distant memory on meme beam care how far YOU are from the enemy or how far ...
yourself, zagreus
daring hedge
it's not a good keepsake, put plainly lol
dire steppe
ok would distant memory be good if it was +100%
rain sedge
it's been many minutes and we haven't heard from EM4 man
dire steppe
since iirc it does work on doom
pine tide
give him some time schad
spring kettle
No, because you're rarely going to be that far from an enemy
rain sedge
ok would distant memory be good if it was +100%
yes, then it'll be the hestia keepsake
spring kettle
I don't think it would work at all on EM2 lernie
dire steppe
I don't think it would work at all on EM2 lernie
sure footing distant memory meta
pine tide
@spring kettle maybe for the adds
gaunt fiber
I don't think it would work at all on EM2 lernie
Because you don't consider playing in lava
daring hedge
yeah, it only gets worse as you build heat with FO2, because most enemies want to approach you, either for melee hits or just to be close enough to toss a bomb or projectile, which is also too close for distant memory
dire steppe
i feel like all the bad things would become really interesting situational things if you cranked their stats up to 11
rain sedge
I mean shackle got buffed by 20% and suddenly it's meta
dire steppe
peer pressure damage 4 -> 32 (which is what it currently does with the bug lol)
pine tide
I used shackle before I realized how good plume is
spring kettle
Well, higher heat forces you to take less boons anyway
daring hedge
shackle was just slept on imo
pine tide
@dire steppe Please tell me more about this bug
daring hedge
similar to how eris was slept on for a bizarre amount of time
gaunt fiber
Pretty sure shackle was used before the buff?
dire steppe
peer pressure does 8x damage if the only sources of hangover on an enemy are from peer pressure
honest kernel
I used it before the buff
daring hedge
not with nearly as much prevalence
dire steppe
apparently
honest kernel
^
gaunt fiber
Yeah
honest kernel
It got more common after le buff
gaunt fiber
lmao
pine tide
oh huh
I guess extremer measures only appears after the credits
that's what the wiki says at least
stupid false memories
pine tide
yeah it's on the house contractor
dire steppe
I’m waiting for the bracer meta
gaunt fiber
y
pine tide
I just thought I had bought it before then but apparently not
gaunt fiber
well
rain sedge
I think the EM4 person is gone 😦
gaunt fiber
GY tank build featuring bracer?
daring hedge
bracer's problem is that so many of the times you get hit, your back is turned from trying to move or dash away
honest kernel
^ I actually have to test it more on KBM
gaunt fiber
But you block...
honest kernel
It might just need me to have the cursor facing the enemy for it to activate
daring hedge
oh neat
honest kernel
I said KBM, not Zeus shield
gaunt fiber
Sure sure
pine tide
I would be very surprised if it cared where your mouse was
now "right after an attack, special, or cast" sure
gaunt fiber
But blocking + bracer is even more dmg reduction 
honest kernel
Blocking is infinite reduction
pine tide
imagine having 130% damage reduction with blocking + bracer
gaunt fiber
infinite + bracer > infinite
gaunt fiber
yeah I was thinking about that lol
Imagine a keepsake : 50% to take double damage, 50% to get healed by the same amount of damage you should have taken
would be fun
dire steppe
have y’all played with the dual wield mod
pine tide
I didn't even know there were mods for this game
pine tide
I refuse to install mods for now
mossy zinc
similar to how eris was slept on for a bizarre amount of time
I honestly thought Eris only affected the Special for the longest time lol.
pine tide
hey congrats @honest kernel
honest kernel
I am so done trying to clear heat 32
daring hedge
tight deadline will give you an easier time than EM4 we promise
pine tide
wow wait a minute you didn't run EM4 until heat 32?
honest kernel
Exactly
pine tide
for my EM4 runs I'm taking zero pact of punishment punishments other than that
pine tide
oh btw when he heals it's based on the vases
found that out earlier today from random comments in this discord
honest kernel
The vases were the real problem
gaunt fiber
you had HS on too?
honest kernel
Especially since I got trap damage maxed out pact wise
gaunt fiber
lmao
pine tide
oof
dire steppe
rigged’s stupid buffs to underused keepsakes:
feather duster now works with LC
distant memory 100%
black shawl 40%
chaos egg guarantees chaos gate spawn
butterfly and plume bonuses stay after you take them off (this might be way too broken)
bracer doesn’t increase damage taken from behind, and your actions aren’t interrupted when you take damage from the front
sigil is back to the old way it was
pom blossom 4->3 chambers
gaunt fiber
what a nice setup here
rain sedge
ok well .
now you know that there's a guide pinned
that might help you in choosing better pacts next time
honest kernel
Tonight I shall drink
pine tide
what's the old way sigil was?
gaunt fiber
Or a better aspect
dire steppe
this man took em4 HS at 32 heat
honest kernel
Tomorrow I’ll beat heat 32
rain sedge
and there's guide for boons/weapons/general tips/keepsake/things too
dire steppe
mfw
honest kernel
Hahaha
pine tide
ah
honest kernel
It was mega-busted
pine tide
for a while I thought lambent plume effect stays on you if you unequip it
dire steppe
which meant you could start every single chamber in styx with a lesser call
super fast
pine tide
after I found out it doesn't, I just started carrying it to hades
dire steppe
what do you think of my semi serious keepsake suggestions above tbh
honest kernel
Black Shawl actually looks dope
dire steppe
oh also -1 charge to acorn because it honestly is op
rain sedge
ok I must try to sleep
pine tide
lol
rain sedge
good night friends
pine tide
night
rain sedge
baj, we look forward to your 62 runs
dire steppe
S p i k e d C o l l a r now immediately heals you when you equip it and adds 80 hp instead of 50
where’s the modding discord, I need to learn Lua anyway i should just make all of these happen
honest kernel
I just want Spiked Collar to not take away the health it gave you when you un-equip it
kthanks
dire steppe
wtf that sounds ridiculously broken
dire steppe
you’re saying you should just get permanent hp for collar start
dire steppe
i was gonna say like
honest kernel
AKA, if you had 100/150 HP, and you take out the collar, it makes you go down to 50/100
dire steppe
oh
honest kernel
I'd like that to effectively be 100/100 instead
dire steppe
that makes more sense yes
anyone else use -life chaos gates to heal
in tart i always take -HP cause it means I get healing before the boss so I’m above 30%
gaunt fiber
I've never tried a collar start
honest kernel
As long as Chaos doesn't give me a +more foes penalty I'm good
mossy zinc
No, you only need 1 HP.
rose yew
facts
gaunt fiber
And weak
dire steppe
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/721842964443299901/795836914615451678/image0.png my uni just sent me this email, way to give me a heart attack
gaunt fiber
Weak eases my mind
dire steppe
WHO thought it’s a good idea to title it “Positive COVID Result”
warm osprey
@ripe crane what do u think of putting time limit down a notch and em4 on
ripe crane
Dang why didn't I think of that
Hestia is definitely one of the better weapons for EM4. That sounds like a good setup.
Maybe that is how I can get 57
warm osprey
cuz I was thinking how awful it would be to even have time on 5 minutes per floor
even with sick rng
tidal flame
WHO thought it’s a good idea to title it “Positive COVID Result”
They knew exactly what they were doing. It got you to read the email didn't it
warm osprey
I mean its still gross rolling for extra dash
ripe crane
Last time I tried 58 it was with EM4 and TD3. I had one, maybe two runs in 3+ hours that actually had a shot of beating him in time.
gaunt fiber
TD1 meta
ripe crane
It is gross but at least you get to roll for it at Asphodel and you don't have to spend your entire run hoping to get perfect hammers and boons to even make it to dad in time
warm osprey
true
it might be easier with more time than the 56 setup tbh
if u wanna go one heat higher
just have to godmode the fight
maybe not easier but way more doable runs to complete it
and not getting killed on time
obtuse prairie
yo don't feel ashamed to use God Mode
if anyone shames you for doing so, you eat them
ripe crane
The fight gets easier if you legit practice it. He has patterns and is at least kind of predictable. I played with EM4 until trying 56 heat. I have forgotten most of the fight now but you can also take your time much more with TD2, so it should actually not be awful.
warm osprey
especially with hestia
warm osprey
are the extra DD's from athena when u have stubborn defiance intended?
dire steppe
tbh i should try to do some peer pressure runs with the new unintended feature
ripe crane
are the extra DD's from athena when u have stubborn defiance intended?
No but the devs know about them. People in this channel discovered that it worked and told the devs, but they decided to let it stay in
warm osprey
interesting
dire steppe
i feel like the athena SDs should be slightly changed
they should give 30% base when SD is enabled
instead of 50
warm osprey
might be viable
to go for athena keepsake after getting an attack and special instead of rocking shackle whole time
cuz ur not gonna be as strict on time
that way more leniency on hades fight
ripe crane
You can do whatever you want in TD2
ripe crane
Starting Athena sounds great
dire steppe
wonder if td2 is enough to take dc1
ripe crane
The bigger problem with DC is that you have to completely change the way you play
warm osprey
true
spring kettle
I don’t know how you’re supposed to do damage control on non fist and gun weapons
shy gulch
you be sad
dire steppe
it’s completely free on rama since you have to mark enemies before you hit anyway
gaunt fiber
Deal with it with dash/cast
spring kettle
Oh true, Rama is basically free
gaunt fiber
It's a pain and a lot of time tho
daring hedge
flaring spin does get some points for being good versus DC hearts
not the best spear hammer but it has that
gaunt fiber
not the worst
dire steppe
zeus start hestia is the secret meta
daring hedge
yeah, i'll definitely take it over something like extending jab
gaunt fiber
I've tried extending jab way too much lol
warm osprey
zeus start hestia take dc2
dire steppe
take lightning strike to clear tart fast then sell it for uc
ripe crane
tbh that could work. I would keep it until styx and then sell it and switch to shackle probably
Or start Athena dash and just use that to clear DC hearts
gaunt fiber
@ripe crane Have you seen Retrash Hestia clear with lightning strike?
ripe crane
n0
gaunt fiber
^
ripe crane
Ya it's the same weapon, just... less strong with zeus.
daring hedge
yeah
dire steppe
sometimes i think my build ideas are strange but nothing will ever top retrash’s 48 ME spread fire zag rail build
gaunt fiber
that sounds super cool
ripe crane
Ya isn't that like theoretically the highest DPS in the game
Or close to it
Idk maybe fists are higher
All this theorycrafting makes me wanna go practice superdad
Everything but RI4 and TD3 is 59. That's p nice.
dire steppe
more stupid aspect buff ideas
zag spear: all 3 bonuses increased to 100%
zag fists: gives attack speed again but this time it actually works
nemesis: now gives global crit chance (lol)
gilg: maim is DoT
arthur: you can have up to 2 consecrated areas active at once
poseidon: gives +2 bloodstones instead of 50% cast damage
hera: now interacts better with curse of drowning
daring hedge
zag spear: all 3 bonuses increased to 100%
problems with this one: 100% increased special speed in conjunction with that damage would be absolutely busted
and 100% increased special range would be like
why
dire steppe
well the bonuses have to all be the same or it doesn’t fit in the tooltip
you’re not ready for the zag spear distant memory meta
daring hedge
there isn't a room in the game big enough for 100% more range to do anything i don't think
dire steppe
idk asphodel rooms are pretty big
daring hedge
even with 25% more range it usually almost spans asphodel rooms
and like... you'd have to just luck out and hit something entirely off screen
dire steppe
L o n g S p e c i a l
daring hedge
don't get me wrong i want zag spear to be better too
but 100% for all of those is maybe a bit much
dire steppe
these were buff ideas intended to be stupid but maybe viable
dire steppe
i thought the arthur one would be the most objectionable tbh
or the op stygian poseidon thing
solemn pulsar
Maybe if the zag spear damage buff was BASE DAMAGE
daring hedge
oh i just honed in on the zag spear one because it's been on my mind recently
daring hedge
Maybe if the zag spear damage buff was BASE DAMAGE
it should be tbh
but then the tooltip would be more awkward
solemn pulsar
It’s like the only reason it isn’t is because they didn’t want to copy zag shield
Give zag shield increased +50% charging speed and range for bull rush you COWARDS
daring hedge
increased base special damage with more speed would be really cool
and i would want to use the special more outside of plugging in hammers
gaunt fiber
it *should* be tbh
but not 25 please
dire steppe
ok let’s do all of them but not all of these will be big buffs because they’re already good
achilles: using special while enraged resets the charges to 3
hades: spin also applies a small DoT (bye bye DC hearts)
guan yu: lifesteal scales with attack damage (LOL)
zagrail: you are sturdy while reloading (why?)
hestia: also triggers empowered shot after a non-manual reload
eris: buff scales from 50-100% depending on how close you are to the exact center of your special
lucifer: triple bomb hammer removed, becomes innate to the weapon
talos: your special now has a way bigger range and also the magnetized bonus applies to the special itself
demeter: for every hit your special doesn’t use (overkills), you get 1 attack charge back
zag shield: +25 base damage instead of whatever it is now
zeus: your special does +50% damage (additive) when it’s trying to recall to you
chaos: the extra shields can bounce again
beo: (I can’t suggest anything without angering bright) when you load up multiple casts they all go off instantly instead of being staggered
zagbow: crit chance is global
chiron: your mark location persists for 5 seconds after you kill an enemy if you didn’t mark another one
rama: your special bounces +2 times
gaunt fiber
I like Eris
ripe crane
150 is a stupid number, as we've seen with Achilles. Therefore Hestia should also be 200 damage
vital grove
Is Zag Spear the worst aspect?
dire steppe
the eris change was made specifically to annoy people actually
gaunt fiber
lmao
dire steppe
so i failed
ripe crane
Wouldn't want to make anything about Eris skill-based
dire steppe
that guan yu buff is a little op
gaunt fiber
Since the hp pool is low it would not be that good
daring hedge
chiron: your mark location persists for 5 seconds after you kill an enemy if you didn’t mark another one
what
gaunt fiber
actually
daring hedge
that sounds not very good
dire steppe
it might be useful for room clearing
daring hedge
but in that case you'd just... tag the next enemy
gaunt fiber
^
daring hedge
so you actually know you'll hit them
ripe crane
Maybe make a list of changes for each weapon that just makes them slightly annoying or unpleasant to use
daring hedge
Maybe make a list of changes for each weapon that just makes them slightly annoy...
i also want this
vital grove
Here's one
gaunt fiber
GY incompatible with charged skewer
vital grove
Hestia can't be reloaded until ammo is spent
ripe crane
Arthur consecration aura also makes enemies take less damage
gaunt fiber
lmao
daring hedge
lol that's a good one
vital grove
Nemesis special gives the enemy crit chance against you too
vital grove
Zeus disc bounces away from enemies instead of piercing
ripe crane
Pinball time
daring hedge
zag rail now has +24 ammo but all damage from shots and attack boons contributing is halved
vital grove
Lucifer has 3000 ammo. You can only reload it in end chambers.
gaunt fiber
that's a good one
vital grove
Survival horror mode
ripe crane
As you put blood into Beowulf and make it bigger, it also gets heavier. You move slower and have shorter dashes
dire steppe
zag sword: +30% attack speed, -30% move speed
nemesis: buff changed from 3 seconds to 3 attacks
poseidon: you can only dislodge from bosses
arthur: (from crepes) consecration makes enemies take less damage
zag bow: you only gain the attack crit chance for 2 seconds after using special (so like nemesis lol)
chiron: 10 arrows in special, but they all take as long as rama to fire
hera: firing casts (like phalanx, flood, etc) don’t hit the enemies unless you just stop short of hitting them (cause they travel forward instead)
rama: shared suffering doesn’t apply to damage dealt to that specific enemy
ripe crane
Hestia: You play in first-person view
gaunt fiber
Sniper Elite pog
gentle bridge
Hestia: You play in first-person view
sounds good to me
dire steppe
spear
zagreus: you literally don’t even need to change this, make it incompatible with exploding launcher i guess
achilles: you have no i frames from raging rush
hades: no longer boosts base spin radius
guan yu: also -50% appearance rate for anything that increases your health (boons, hearts, etc.)
gaunt fiber
lmao
ripe crane
Make Achilles actually unplayable - no longer compatable with flurry jab
daring hedge
demeter fists: every 12 hits you actually only add one upper to your total, being able to eventually stack to six uppers, one day
dire steppe
achilles hunting blades is still good
vital grove
Arthur: to begin a run from courtyard, you have to play a mashing mini game to pull it out of a stone
gaunt fiber
We could reverse Demeter tho : You have to special 6 times to use the attack once
daring hedge
but dash-upper spam is actually viable
vital grove
One of the fists should have kinetic launcher as the base special
And Zag yells hadoken
dire steppe
rail
zagreus: ammo capacity is multiplied by 2, but this means double reload time and that spread fire is -12
eris: damage scales from 0-75% based on how close you are to the center of the special
hestia: empowered shot only happens when you DON’T manually reload
lucifer: eternal chamber is now the default state of it
ripe crane
I originally thought Tail's comment said that each time you use Dem charged upper that the next one requires one more attack. So you need 7 to charge the next, then 8, then 9, etc
daring hedge
oh god lmao
gaunt fiber
That would be fun
daring hedge
by the end of the run you just don't get charged uppers anymore
gaunt fiber
But you could go ME and not care about that
gaunt fiber
Hestia is sad
dire steppe
hestia becomes forced spread fire lol
daring hedge
i thought the hestia one was free empowered shots all day for a second and was like what
because you can not manually reload through a whole clip
dire steppe
no i meant it happens only after auto reload
daring hedge
yeah
dire steppe
ok even worse buff idea for zag rail: ammo capacity is 6*maxHP/50
ripe crane
Gilgamesh: Maim causes the target to take an additional 25% damage and deal an additional 50% more damage
dire steppe
gilgamesh: normal enemies’ moving attacks also maim you
louts, etc
you deal 50% more global damage and take 25% more damage, but you get hit for 400 if you don’t kill the enemy in 8 seconds
daring hedge
zag spear: it's already kind of unpleasant and uncomfortable to use so this one gets a free pass
maybe take away the ability to get flurry jab
daring hedge
you deal 50% more global damage and take 25% more damage, but you get hit for 40...
that's just too evil
instant death except on minotaur's toughness runs
gaunt fiber
oh I know for GY : the spin does not heal through LC4
dire steppe
that’s what your SD is for
gaunt fiber
simple
ripe crane
Gilg gives you -2 dashes instead of +2 dashes. RI3 becomes free.
dire steppe
what does it mean to have -1 dash
daring hedge
you can't move
dire steppe
you can dash but it’s in the opposite direction
gaunt fiber
you can dash but it’s in the opposite direction
that would be ok
ripe crane
you can dash but it’s in the opposite direction
Give this to one of the swords
dire steppe
achilles: you still get the bonus damage from retrieving your special, but retrieving it works like zag spear special instead
gaunt fiber
would be nice on nemesis
dire steppe
talos: special pulls you to enemies instead of the other way around
pine tide
@dire steppe where is the fists nerf
daring hedge
talos: special pulls you to enemies instead of the other way around
i wouldn't mind this
pine tide
Tell me about Zagreus fist nerf
dire steppe
zag fists: you can no longer dash-upper
demeter: what tail said lol
gilgamesh: you can only maim 1 enemy at a time, it uses the last one like chiron’s mark does
pine tide
dash upper is already pretty bad because of that one day to listen enchantment that makes you slam only after a non-dash upper
dire steppe
zag shield: damage increase doesn’t apply to bullrush
zeus: shield can no longer bounce off walls to seek enemies
chaos: shoots in star pattern again but does NOT bounce anymore
beo: you can only load 1 cast at a time
prime lintel
dire steppe
if these were real the game would die
pine tide
I would die
dire steppe
tbh the original eris change i suggested would be cool
new damage boost = 50(1+(1-x)^2) where x is the portion of distance away from your special
so it’s only 62.5% if you’re halfway in
true fable
eris would take such a large brain
dire steppe
it would make rocket bomb a high skill choice
you have to stand right next to the enemy to get the most dmg
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/795870808546476122/unknown.png now this was a weird one
daring hedge
hey sir that drunken dash actually looks good
daring hedge
and boosted by supermaim too
north dove
the best drunken dash you'll ever see
daring hedge
yeah this is the best advertisement for drunken dash i've ever seen
dire steppe
drunken dash with 32 damage peer pressure is also a good advertisement
i hope they decide to just leave that cause peer pressure still sucks at 8x strength
daring hedge
yeah, the peer pressure bug sounds cool but it only does it that one time when it spreads and overall isn't going to make a huge dent
mossy zinc
Is Zag Spear the worst aspect?
I got my best time with Zag Spear and Flurry Jab, so sadly, I can't say yes to that.
daring hedge
it's definitely one of the worst in terms of high heat. its strength lies in flurry jab basically
true fable
flurry jab zag spear is a top 5 aspect
daring hedge
then you can go fast with it
true fable
literally not joking
daring hedge
wouldn't achilles flurry be objectively better
true fable
along with spread fire rail, but spread fire zag rail isnt amazing on high heat
daring hedge
i guess they can both be top 5
true fable
wouldn't achilles flurry be objectively better
in theory yes
i think theyre both top 5
but its like delta chamber right
having achilles makes you feel like you have to special
which is time you dont spend abusing flurry jab
zag spear your only option is to flurry jab so the mental effort save is big
daring hedge
yeah exactly
mossy zinc
Give Flurry Jab to Guan Yu.
north dove
just get heroic swift strike 
true fable
yes pls
true fable
just get heroic swift strike <:dusa:522248771409543188>
EZ ambrosia
mossy zinc
Get Heroic Swift Strike and Flurry Jab.
true fable
tbf the main draw of flurry jab is to do ignorant stuff with dash strike chaining
so im not sure how much swift strike does
id rather have heroic dashes
if were asking for heroic hermes boons
mossy zinc
Heroic Swift Strike and Heroic Greatest Reflex and Flurry Jab.
spring kettle
But that heroic side hustle
daring hedge
tbf the main draw of flurry jab is to do ignorant stuff with dash strike chainin...
i wish i could abuse the dash-strike spam as much in high heat but you really have to ease off it in that environment
i have to give myself some time to empty dash
true fable
yeah thats part of what makes me sad about running achilles on high heat
dire steppe
flurry jab zag spear is a top 5 aspect
why would you take this over any of the other 3 spears with flurry jab
daring hedge
hades and GY can't get it lmao
mossy zinc
Flurry Jab on Guan Yu and every normal Attack or Dash-Strike lifesteals.
true fable
send tweet
true fable
Flurry Jab on Guan Yu and every normal Attack or Dash-Strike lifesteals. <:zfies...
this is a bit greedy
amirs gonna see this message and nerf GY
mossy zinc
lusty mirage
hades3234 is on 50 heat gilgamesh
true fable
im in irl 
lusty mirage
making flying kick work with it
true fable
rush kick is very good on gilga
no cap
it makes your maim better
or easier to apply
daring hedge
zag leaves claw marks with his legs
true fable
LOL
i think noa was right in saying it should be DOT
and the curse of longing build is cool because it makes it DOT
daring hedge
yeah, having that 400 damage spread over the period where normally you just wait for it to pop
would be great
also thematically would make way more sense for a "maim" mechanic imo
daring hedge
yeah like what exactly is zag doing for them to go OOF OW several seconds later at once
mossy zinc
You don't wanna know.
true fable
dashing like a madman
i frames please
i actually feel like gilga is one of the safest weapons
it just struggles with time
north dove
gilga is not a safe weapon, the cooldown after using all your dashes is so high that you just can't prevent damage some of the time
true fable
you think so?
north dove
where you have to use the pillars to avoid his throw
true fable
cant you just spam dash reactively though
north dove
not enough iframes to get through his swing with only 1 dash
so you have to spend at least 2
true fable
interesting
good to know
every time i think to myself "i should play more gilg"
i do
and im always underwhelmed
cursive valley
What's the highest known heat level beaten?
cursive valley
And what's the max heat level possible?
true fable
64
mossy zinc
cursive valley
Perfect. Thanks for the info.
cursive valley
Don't get too excited. Fox person only got 60, not 64. No one's impressed until Fox person does 64.
true fable
lol
@daring hedge you hear this you scrub
no ones impressed till you do 64 apparently
cursive valley
Yep, that is exactly what I said. Word for word.
ripe crane
I feel like maim should slow enemies tbh. That's what a maim mechanic usually does I think
cursive valley
There, now it isn't out of context and I sound like a jerk. :P
true fable
I feel like maim should slow enemies tbh. That's what a maim mechanic usually do...
slow and maybe like razor shoals?
idk
im not a game designer
ripe crane
SGG should hire you tbh
true fable
all i would do is delete AP and resign
ripe crane
AP deleted, 60 heat no longer possible. Tail is heat king forever
cursive valley
AP as in after party?
true fable
approval process
cursive valley
Ohhhh, yes I agree completely
north dove
"Granted. AP is gone... but we figured players had too many options so we removed all gods except for Dionysus." -Amir, probably
spring kettle
Hey guys, does it count as a blizzard shot run if you get blizzard shot in styx?
warm osprey
are all reduced damages additive or multiplicitive
true fable
multi iirc