#h1-high-heat-strategies
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Do you time out?
EM4 is also harder than the rest of a run combined
Time to go to retrash em4 school
But frickin' got urn'ed or tagged by Hades himself
EM4 TD3 is not a fun time
EM4 is literally the last heat I would do lol
Retrash does TD2 for a good reason
Gives you all the time in the world to play safe in that mess of a fight
Doing that fight while maximizing damage ? THAT's what I need to do
Zeus Shield can pull it off
I just need to not throw
But you have to throw otherwise it won't hit him
...
Maybe the key is to not throw to not throw.
Or it's throw to not throw.
It's one of those two.
50-50.
But still
EM4 is, for now, my main obstacle
And pretty much the only one outside of the timer
I'll be going Zeus special
Because of Damage Control, and the fact that the first 2 poms are actually pretty impactful on it
Compared to Artemis Special
I can't bank as hard on getting Hunter's Mark or something
And Skull Earing works pretty well on Zeus Special too, since it affects the base shield and the lightning bolts at the same time
Dionysus special too slow for rooms to matter here
And if I'm going with a %-based god, Artemis would be the pick
Shackles won't cut it anymore : I'll have to reset for the special
I like how the internal cool down on Zeus Special is just under the damage ticks on Zeus shield
By like 0.1 sec
So each time it procs damage it also triggers the special
Conveniant
Zeus insider knowledge
Just Hourglass the whole run and buy all the damage items. 
And hey it reapplies Jolted all the time which if the enemy is bashing at your shield with FO2 is massive damage
Wells still give you 3 choices.
Well ... It's only true on enemies that have armor/on bosses
Since the shield special itself actually does hitstun
Unlike the rail attack
I wonder if saving all the rerolls for Wells over boons isn't the right choice with AP2. 
I'm just picturing Asterius going ham and taking 120+ damage per swing just from the jolts
Since Well rerolls still have good value.
Considering the amount of boons I had on my 57 heat run, and how I don't care about what Hermes gives me on AP2 ?
That could be worth
I'd still like 1 for safety, in case of a trolly trade
And you can buy stuff > reroll > buy more stuff.
But no starting rolls makes this strat a bit ... hard
I basically get 3-4 rolls per run
At best
Might fetch a hard key room
Assuming I even see that many keys
The only legit bad trade on Zeus Aspect is Tempest Flourish, right?
Ares is garbage without impending and dire
Or Merciful End
Ah that makes sense. Wasn't thinking of Doom.
In fact, without Merciful End I don't want to see Ares ever lol
Demeter can be nice because fairly high % and arctic blast
Just a demeter special alone is fantastic : Chill is a very strong effect
Frost Flourish % is literally the lowest along with Divine Flourish.
Arctic Blast actually makes it worse, IMO, because the damage isn't worth losing the debuff
Chill is good though yeah.
You sure?
Yes, m sure.
I thought tempest was lowest
Tempest is equal, IIRC
No, Tempest Flourish is tied with Deadly Flourish.
On their own.
For second highest.
Wait really ?
This is weird
Pretty sure Deadly Flourish is 40% at common
and Tempest Flourish, 70%
Deadly Flourish is good because of the 20% crit
yeah tempest flourish is nice
iirc pretty high base like nyaanyaa said
only tempest strike is a meme
^
Lv.1 Common Tempest Flourish is +96% on average.
Deadly is 40% plus crit.
Deadly beats Tempest unless you put a couple poms on it, actually.
But still not too far behind it.
No, Deadly Flourish is 20% crit.
what's first pom on tempest?
40% lol that'd be broken.
I mean the base damage modifier
First pom is +28%.
idk about you, but that's not a 96% https://gyazo.com/78d487af70f03e0aebb7ceb750a1f528
That looks like a 70% to me
60 makes sense
Divine is 60 too
frost flourish rama is the secret tech for bad players
til retrash is a bad player
Yeah you want ares special Rama and never press the attack button, but do get the special hammer, then win by stacking dire misfortune. Probably works for like 32 lol
Deadly beats Tempest unless you put a couple poms on it, actually.
did you mean level 2 then?
I was responding to that statement
That'd actually make sense
Zeus special still better then
Because at common, it's effectively a +100%
And it's poms are great too
+12 and +8 damage for the first 2 levels
Compared to Artemis' Poms, that's pretty high
And Zeus has that synergy scaling
Artemis better overall because of Duos, Chaos Boons, Hunter's Mark ...
are we factoring in chaos/jerky/skull earring
Can't get those reliably with AP2, CF2, UC
Skull Earing boosts the Zeus special twice
hmm
One for the base shield, one for the lightning
oh true
Not sure on the math, but I'd say that's more consistent damage overall
chimaera jerky feels like an interesting high roll but zeus is probably better
Even if Artemis special was a bit higher, I'd still consider Zeus special as a standalone
Because of DC
Hoping for basically any attack lmao
And hey double strike is almost a crit
i think theres an argument for coa
If you grab it
i wonder about the aoe effects for zeus bolts
what does high voltage actually do
Increase aoe
besides take up a boon slot
^
ok yes
Sells for UC
Which is relevant with JS3
Lol
but the aoe is usually fine, right
level 30 high voltage be like
^ I want to mess with that lol
they should just give high voltage like linear scaling
But otherwise, High Voltage doesn't do much with Zeus special on Zeus shield
or exponential even because why not
Still need to hit enemies with the shield itself to get hits in
I had a +90% or so HV once for kicks, and lightning rod. The rod in the middle of Hades arena was hitting most of the arena.
make level 30 high voltage literally take up the entire screen even in asphodel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/794053488753377311/unknown.png this is how you build zag rail, right?
Blades don't need reloading
pretty much, except you don't stagger foes
spread fire mericuful end
with dire misfortune
what in tarnation
also 17:33... coulda turned on TD3 and gotten 48 heat
Alright, enough talk, I'll be doing runs
do i hear 61 heat zag rail
Blocked.
I mean I dunno. I wouldn't want to live without me.
Well, we moved on from that to the all Lord Zeus + Poseidon lineup that is speedrun.com now.
speedrun.com leaderboard is actually just runs sorted by how early they got Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave.
LOL
you can also sort by free rooms
its the same list
the best time to do 61 heat is now
while tailesque is building his computer
that way he cant barrel roll you until the new year
No, it's the best time to do 62.
61 is just asking to get barrel-rolled.
And 31 * 2 = 62.
math checks out ig
Yeah, you can't argue with math.
https://gyazo.com/696c250fd0780817370bc6a81063609b Why couldn't Than or Patty not show up ?
I frickin' timed out
That was with Dashing Wallop and Breaching Rush toi
With zeus special start, this can be done
how much time do you think you need going into styx given you'll get a 2 sack?
can you do it in 5 minutes?
ah
elysium room RNG is now my least favorite part of the game
Baj god
good lord 62
Please
I'm on an insane pace, time wise, even without Patty, and you do this to me
Ended up being a 3-sack too
https://gyazo.com/702ed60d29f10c38aa3534c25782125f Even got the meme duo
Like c'mon
Yes between the first sack vermin and the 3-sack finish it took that long, CP2 vermin is that much of an issue
https://gyazo.com/2afab39c240d017a66aa3b02c52d04fd And before anyone asks, this happened in the run too
oof
But knowing I entered Styx with 2:28 extra time, without Patrocleus ...
This is a good sign
oof
@honest kernel did you curse another good run by posting here about it? 
You know how the curse goes.
^she's right
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/794126591679922226/unknown.png tried to anvil away cursed slash but rng said no
tfw first sword 32 with cursed slash zag
if it works, it works
@tidal flame I thought that was your victory screen at first and wanted to make fun of you for your terrible time. 
@dire steppe good job!
Very good speed for a Merciful End Zagius run. Very proud of you. 
I'll let you know I never turn off TD3 π
had an earlier run where i had ME but i just never got the dash and died to hades
That makes two of us. I forgot we had something in common. 
turns out doom attack isnt that great
I think it's pretty good. You get good DPS just by hitting everything once.
Boss DPS suffers a little bit. But if you have Phalanx Shot and Divine Flourish, you can still get good damage with ME even without Divine Dash.
esp if you have dire
What was the build?
Lightning strike jolted Artemis special/aid
He got Pat, that was important
other than that nothing special
Oh nvm
Trippy shot scintillating feast
that did some work
Lol Eris secretly a cast weapon 75% cast damage is legit
Hey what's meta on Hera bow? Thinking aphro strike and Dio cast or flood shot? I've been enjoying scint feast but it's on 24
He lost a ME Talos run yesterday, I felt bad for him
Aphro cast is meta. The other two options you mentioned are decent alternatives
We all throw runs
Like the fact that I just died to big rat with a great talos build
No I mean he was so sad and said "sorry" so many times lol
Oh lol dude
Big rat scary
Oh cool I just had retrashs bug where I lost DD to trap after killing the Fury
I TOOK OWL PENDANT FOR ELYSIUM
Angry dad got me anyway
This should be the 32 meta tbh
HL5 LC4 gets you to 32 sooo much faster though
I'm kidding obviously
I'm using it to practice EM4
And going fast at the same time
I'd rather have UC and 1 point somewhere than TD3 for that em4
But if you wanna go fast then you wanna go fast
you mean
That I've been selling a boon per biome thinking I had UC and I have not
for like 4 runs
thanks man
Hidden UC
baj is getting close to that 62 π
oh btw Schad
hai
Merry Brexmas 
High heat usually has to be under 20 minutes because of tight deadline
congrats!
Oh snap. Got me sweatin' π±
that rng
couldnt have been better
and I almost choked it ahahah
I'm trying to upload but shadowplay is being weird witht he loggin in
but I got it recorded
Better than AP2 hazard bomb / piercing?
Congratulations!
Its same heat except for the hell mode heat
Which can matter honestly at start of runs if u get elusion splitters
Illusion*
You should be able to edit it within youtube
go through the video and see if the damage shield ever activated
if it didn't then you could won hell mode 56
what's the easiest heat to start with
check the pinned posts for schad's guide
1 heat is the easiest π
@solemn pulsar im not sure if I ever would have gotten bursted without the shield
can u take damage after a resurrect?
didnt want to highlight the nourished soul? 
it is
lol
lol
ya theres a bunch that are at that heat
i personally like highlighting after party
almost done uploading if u guys wanna watch
neato
not much interesting happened from what I remember
did you show a death before
pog
should see my guan yu record
I had a good run pretty early into it but I messed up by not taking a boss room first
the first part isnt the run, its like 7 minutes in
10:30 is when it starts lol
ill reupload
like 1900
What "SD" means?
stubborn defiance
Stubborn Defiance. the one that works every room but only once
You can post your pact here if you want feedback
it can be tough
there's a pinned post for 32 heat, but you can use it to do 25 heat too
some people here like eris, so can give you suggestions etc if you need
imma tell you right now kill CP
JS and CP can be lowered yeah
js1 on eris is fine
Also some points in EM, UC is better than taking HL4
alright cool
so CP2 is making your life quite hard. The rest is... fine? I wouldn't eat HL4 if you're just starting off. I would do something like HL2 and MM
MM is a very free heat
if you are still struggling, then you have an option to do HL0 JS0, but TD3. Eris is the fastest weapon in the game, and with enough practice, you'll get that TD3 timer easily, especially at 25 heat
what's your build? is it the standard build?
athena is good for starting out
yea that's cool. Take athena dash if you struggle
check the mirror setup on the pin. you should be good. just take MM instead of HL4
I mean if they take MM and TD3 they can just go LC2 HL0
from a strictly numbers perspective 1 point in HL is less overall damage than 1 point in LC
should i take olympian favor or dark foresight
dark foresight always
so what should i do for heat 32
have you checked the pins
i already wasted my free escape (the 10th one) on heat 16 lol
btw gbles @rain sedge for writing that up
oh thx btw
now i can just point to it for the FAQ 32
aint wasted since I'm pretty sure that's not counted
does that even unlock the statue?
32 heat is easier than beating nightmare king grimm, for sure, though.
but nkg is soooooo easy
NKG is easy once you beat him once
but when u first start
id say 32 is easier than NKG if u havent tried either yet
how do i beat the third boss with the gold armor and stuff
b r u h
ignore theseus, focus on minotaur is the usual strategy
to be fair NKG is relatively easy once you beat him a couple times and learn the rhythm
but getting to that point is uh. not easy
theseus generally do laps around the stadium, dropping bombs, and those have big red circles on them
I canβt beat NKG but can beat 32
just dont stand in his tracks and you won't get hit. sometimes he use machine gun but you can dodge outta that quite easily
is it easy with eris rail?
it's free.
eris rail is one of the best weapons in the game so itβs not going to be a cakewalk but itβll be doable for sure
could do it blindfolded if we're being real
i feel like DC and TD are always free
I'd take CP1 over JS1 if it's not a first-hit kill aspect with AOE like Guan Yu.
Should be faster.
CP1 is +15% HP and armor. JS1 is +20%.
Although only CP1 affects bosses, but it also means fewer BP enemies and less trouble with Saviors.
At least at like 32 or 40.
Hmmm. Actually I guess only CP affects minibosses, too. Still seems to be faster for me, though.
so the question becomes what is your aspect good at and how many free rooms are you planning on getting in the latter half of biomes
always plan on a lot of free rooms, for maximum disappointment
DC1 on Eris is slower for me than either JS1 or CP1. Missing out on that first-hit Special damage.
Limited number of runs, of course. But that's been my experience.
I was trying some variations on the pact for 32 heat eris runs today and I agree with that assessment @mossy zinc. What was annoying was JS1 caused some styx rooms to turn into 2 wavers
Have you tried the EM4 special?
Yeah, I'd take CP1 over JS1 probably.
on eris? no way
15% slower yeah
is maxed eris the best way to beat heat 32
Not exactly since you'd probably overkill some phases with CP0 anyway.
yeah it's not 15% vs 20%
Meg phases Lernie at CP0 and at CP1.
why are you meg'ing lernie outside of blue head?
Just an example.
to not die
That used to be meta anyway.
So it came to mind first.
2021 actually though we all moved on to LC4 Bouldy.
You're still stuck in 2020 meta, I guess.
idk i think yall are vastly underestimating the effect of CP1
no
I just shared what's my experience.
big witches tartarus scary
JS1 adds waves or staggers spawns, that takes a lot of time you can't DPS through.
CP1 you can DPS through.
outside of skulls and bloodless you don't feel JS1 ever
I don't remember my first 32
You always feel JS1. More enemies are more enemies. They're not always all conventiently bunched up to all die to the same AOE.
More enemies jumping around in Asphodel means more enemies you have to run after etc.
but the way the calculation works half the time JS1 doens't even trigger additional enemies
Yeah not til the end biomes really
I feel it in Styx a lot though
Can add 50% time to a room
I think I did not show my first 40 pact to anyone before clearing it
I found it recently
Look at this
Carried by Life Affirmation.
what if i got every weapon, aspect, boon, and hammer to exactly 32 heat so the permanent record is 100% green
Of course.
GL getting the same time for each run
i wish that was possible
theoretically you could stall until some insane time in the dad fight every time and leave him at one hit to do it
iβll just get every boon in one run
but it would be really hard to pull this off too
hammy is more accurate than happy
happy new year lol
Happy The End of 2020!!
People in the future, how is 2020 2021?
did we clear 64 heat yet?
you mean 2021 xd
oh actually Chiron was my first 32 clear too
I didnβt start using Rama till a bit later
CF2 TD2 CP1 BP0 what was I thinking
HL5 LC3 with DDs, yikes dude
I think i cleared 16 heat first try, then did this and got 2nd try?
yeah what the heck LOL
must have been lucky
it took me a few tries to do 32
I don't wanna brag or anything but my first 40 is worse
16 I got first try as well I think but 32 was a big jump
AP1 TD3 DC1 GY
what.
just a bit above
DC1 you monster
granted i gu;ess fo2 is fine when they all die to heroic arti charged skewer
i was gonna say FO isnβt rhat bad on chiron
it's DC1
not with DC1
i started running it to do eris speedies and now i'm just used to it, thankfully
It was really hard tbh. I was very happy to clear it
sometimes when i do 32 runs i basically just auto die if i am forced to take asterius miniboss
crutching acorn way too hard
lol yea i've done that oo
em3 applying to miniboss is unfair
that's true
honestly i don't like that asterios is a miniboss
compared to the bfly ball
its a significant part of rng
i wish there was a way to differentiate in the chamber previews
when u see 2 miniboss chambers and itβs 50/50 to end your run
or atleast make the room bigger
so the ballerina doesnt ruin me
asterios miniboss is a big reason i like bablo tooth
tooth is good if u can drop shackle
I feel like its rare u can
It goes Thunder Signet -> Skull Earing
If you get a good enough attack, yeah
Spending 50% of your playtime rerolling for a good starting boon sounds very fun
It isn't, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be
Don't want to bother with that
though other peoples perceptions shouldnt factor into it at all ig
It's mostly to myself that I want to do it unseeded, still
And it's like : The special is the only thing I want, so it's like if I want to seed for just that, why not just get the few quick resets in and still keep it unseeded
i suppose so
In fact, the reason I went shackles in the first place was to prove that you could do it without needing to reset
But the plan was to get a good special anyways, and with EM4 ... I might as well just get to the special first
Rest is room RNG, which unless I learned to route it, isn't really seedable
Like, I don't even care about Hermes
I can still do good times with mediocre hammers
I just need the game to not give me Vermin and 3 sacks and I have a good shot, with a decent special
It's not like me seeding would change those outcomes either way
Yup
Altho I did a few attempts with Zeus attack
And it worked OK, until I got a good special
my problem was time
AKA if I don't get a special by Tartarus and I started with Zeus attack, I reset
without shackle start
Not too much harm done there
even with good time?
You need the special to get through Asphodel fast enough for EM4
And a Skull Earing boosted special for Elysium
CP2 bosses are a real game changer for the damage needed
dont wanna do hell mode?
Sometimes I forget I run Hellmode, until I reset and I don't see the shield pop up and I'm like "what, isn't it supposed to appe- oh right, PL is on"
yup
EM4 is painful. If I were going to do 56 without PL, I thought I would drop to RI2 and CP1.
i got really lucky on my 50 beo clear i think it was double skull crusher
^ I more or less did that for my 57
or skull crusher megagorgon
what is RI and CP
But, EM4 is definitely doable with Hestia. All of my clears before 56 had it. Gotta practice the fight and you'll be ok
Routine Inspection, Calisthenics Program
Pin has the info on what the acronyms are
ah ok
Solo Asterius on Guan Yu is just you die in two hits lol. Very fun with single dash and no DD when all three projectiles somehow shotgun you at the end of your dash.
didnt think of that
ya its prolly better to just get ur double dash back
it sounds brutal
prolly like 2 weeks of grinding minimum like 12 hours a day
to try to get a run good enough
think most of my GY runs ended to this
if not a tartarus trap π
lol
"This RI4 Guan Yu Tartarus is going perfect."
spike trap ching vs Alecto
dun dun dun dunnn
....
"Huh?"
You just treat them like impassable terrain.
my rng on the 55 was literally flawless and I still dont think I could do em4
cuz I suck
Or dash over clean.
if you did 55 you dont suck :^)
EM4 is brutal and takes a lot of practice.
EM4 specific practice. Can't just go through that with fundamentals.
Just means you haven't practiced EM4 enough. Retrash has a ton of practice in that fight with all aspects.
Could exploit the Doomstone trick.
Although on pad with auto-aim, it just becomes impossible to aim at anything you want with Doomstone + shards on the stage.
i think im just gonna do EM4 maxy practice on high heat in the new year
retrash said he hasnt turned the fight off since he unlocked it
i dont think i'll do any non-speedrun high heat runs without it
whats the doomstone trick?
If he summons Doomstone in phase 1 part 2 and there are too many Doomstone shards on the stage, it prevents him from summoning more enemies in phase 1 part 3.
oh interesting
Heya, if I beat a higher heat than I'm up to, do I lock down those missed bounties forever? (It looks like I do β I beat Tartus on Heat 16 with the sword, but I'd most recently beaten like 6 or so. Now it looks like it marks the Blood as collected from 6-16.)
No, you get the bounties for 7 Heat if it tells you to fill your gauge to 7 and you're at 7+.
So after that, you'll have to get bounties for 8 Heat.
Even though Im seeing a checkmark by heat levels I havent beaten yet?
Where are you seeing checkmarks even. 
That's how it works, anyway. Don't know what you're seeing.
Fair enough, thanks
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/794452535377002506/unknown.png RIP streak, it's been a good run
18
I think I'm gonna try to beat some aspects' heat records next
pog
you can def do it
which ones u lookin at rn
youve got a leg up already on anyone who ran EM3 TD3
vs EM4 TD2
talos looks quite juicy
Talos first maybe yeah
hades3234's been grinding 50 heat talos with no dice so far
didn't he get a W? I could have sworn he did
i thought he did but i could be wrong
but it doesn't matter because I'll be going for 51
lmao
lemme check the sheet
i didnt get to watch his strim yesterday since he starts at like 3 am my time usually
LOL yeah he did
notes: "i hate talos"
LMAO
Persephone sure looks different than her usual in game Hades portrait
Happy new year 
I waited until it was the new year for Lady Aphrodite since that's the canon timeline.
big brain move
That's what happens every time I play Mario Party with anyone 
She currently resides on the west coast.
Even with a 2-sack, you can't afford to timeout in elysium ever https://gyazo.com/7631e8315cf8a6e17d5af41ed0c50902
That moment when Than was on a break
Elysium was rough
Tartarus wasn't pretty either
No Than
If I recall, I had tons of unarmored swords and archers
Gross
Yeah its gonna be a 1/1000 type run
Maybe worse odds
Just with room rng
Elysium can be a cake walk or the run just ends instantly
I'm basically asking for it lmao
Cuz it will be insane
I'll see how I feel it out after like a few more days of attempts
Then I'll consider the downgrade
The ones that get really close are most demoralizing
Even worse when the game throws a tiny vermin and a 3-sack in your face
When you have 2:30-ish minutes of overtime, even if Patty and Than didn't show up
Watching the run again
I timeout in Tartarus
lmao
Tons of numbskulls and witches
Dude
I had two 5 sacks in 4 runs lol and people say it's 2%
Asphodel was about 3:30 minutes-ish long
Wait, actually more like 4 minutes
What the heck is up with those times
Hitting eurydice, bouldy and Pat is prolly required to have time
With a good early chaos
A second good chaos could help too
You or tales
Yeah this run 'looked' good on the surface
But that actually wasn't all that great
Retrash could 100% if he wanted to grind it
I know it's a long shot but getting stubborn roots and 350 hp would let you heal through the timeout
More or less
Yes, long shot is long
Same
Ive seen stubborn roots once
With like 300 attempts
Never trying for it tho just happened to see it crossed out
Rewatching
I actually didn't timeout in Elysium
only in Tartarus lol
Either way, this is looking rough
Do you ever do seeded?
Going zeus into the low health damage keepsake kinda front loads ur time
No
That's the idea behind the Skull Earing strat to begin with
Actually, not on Zeus special
It's actually even at common
And a little bit more because of DC
I cant explain how many runs died on hestia to just getting armor rare mobs in elysium
Instead of like 3 rare witches
Naked oiled archers?
Heheh. Old FFT meme
Duos literally curse me, I die in the next room so often when I get one
Armored numbskulls is insta reset
It's actually ... consistent
Savior numbskull cluster
You have to start using the normal hestia shot
Ill be honest tho, the rng makes it fun to try for
But this is definitely possible
... I actually am probably better off training some more in the EM4 fight
I kinda like Slicing Shot just for those when I hestia
What which one is slicing
Richochet always helps for em
The god move is richochet and piercing
But then ur single target is kinda meh
Slicing Shot is Ares cast
It's a great DC disabler
damn i need to get better at EM4 fight w beo
got there twice at 45 heat and died both times
to be fair this run was prob dead by timer regardlss but still
shield isnt really a melee ngl
I always get too greedy with swinging and the haste gets me
I'll throw super good Rama runs
But then I clear 45 heat Arthur first try with Cursed Slash and no double hammers ... on TD3 CP2 JS3
Like, what the frick
Arthur was meant to take it, not dish it back out super fast
Good dam but u really have to god gamer
Rama is not easy
It legit isn't
Always get hit charging up
But Hades fight on non-shield is wack for me lmao
EM or no
non EM hades fight can be annoying without 1 extra dash or hyper sprint
at least thats how ive always played it LUL
Probably on 2
Dunno what my RI level was on
Either way, for now
I'm probably just gonna grind the EM4 fight itself
Like, I know I can get there
RNG isn't something I'll really control
So the best I can do for now is get more comfortable with EM4 Hades
I'm going to need to do it on Hellmode tho, since my current savefile that has the fight is on the regular mode
got to lernie on 50 heat zeus shield for my first try
i think i can maybe get this
getting more used to the rhythm
the rng was pretty bad this run anyways, but time is going to be an issue for me
yeah I mean room rng is big but I know I can get better at using the special
to be more efficient
Imagine an arpg with hades combat
Have you played Furi?
Nah
You should 
I'm very scared to do my first ever PoP escape
Don't be, the heat isn't that difficult until higher up
Start with a extreme measures, benefits package, underworld customs and middle management IMO
Just 1 by 1
so like, one extreme measure
then after beating Hades again, i have to add another right? those are the rules?
If you go for bounty hunting, you will have to add at least one more heat yeah
Bounty what
Oh yeah... I haven't done the Sword and Bow bounty yet
Although adding one heat at a time could be boring
You could choose to clear 16 only, and you'll get the bounty for the lowest non cleared heat
Because the game at low heat will get boring as you improve
see the thing is, I'm not very good at roguelike games
Got my aspect of Baj 36 π€£
nice
Finally got an EM4 clear
I'm getting used to the rythm
The thing is the fight is very long
So you can't play like a clown and rush it down
the fight punishes not having extra DDs a lot
BRUH
was caught in a butterfly sneak tempest
ah, the sneakstorm
you gotta burst em down
I was trying to single dash everything to figure out the timing too
Yeah I'm not taking risks anymore lol
practicing for mirrorless?
yeah kinda
I want to beat mirrorless GY EM4 at some point
And EM4 will allow me to reach 50 heat a bit more easily
i also just think the fight is fun
I'm trying Rama and god it's so much fun
even if it has some insane pre-reqs
I have a charged skewer without hammer
Yeah I like it overall
Even if there's some urn/cerberus shenanigans
i honestly think its spear throws are the biggest part of the fight i hate
i just always assume throw
and i still get caught every once in a while
yep i agree
i watched retrash just constantly stay on top of him with i frame dodges and i wasl ike
]thats its
thats the way
Yeah Rama is deadly
Got a 36 Hera done, had lightning Phalanx and parting shot, lmao
How does lightning phalanx work with hera
i hate how it works
It starts bouncing
bro Patroclus keepsake + any melee weapon is wicked
i was about to ask phoenix for tips
Oh
From the hit, or from a miss
even the base phalanx shot does weird things
you wouldn't have happened to be recording would you?
i tried to make it work and just couldn't
Nope
I don't do recordings
It was gonna be a crush shot game but I went hammer into 2 reroll no crush shot and then got epic Phalanx
So kinda went with it. The backstab stuff stacks up pretty high
I picked up parting shot and exposed
And just did my best to dash through things and point blank the back
Asterius is verrrrry prone to getting gibbed by this build
i might have to go back and try it
I think just having crush is more consistent, this was a mega high roll
yea but everyone knows i love my high roll builds
what was your pact
My 32 EM4 TD3
did you time out on EM4? cuz that just happens sometimes
yeah on EM4
I was dumb too
Did not try to get cast boons from hermes (if that helps idk)
And ignored a chaos gate
thats fair
I just do JS3 TD2
I'm in Elysium, crying for divine dash
Sacrifice a goat to Athena
world splitter run btw
is astaos branching out? 2021 is wild
Nah I'm trying EM4 with all aspects
oo good shout
?
can live in overtime and thats a bit of time
with no CP and no DC its doable i think
