#h1-high-heat-strategies

1 messages Β· Page 196 of 1

honest kernel
#

EVEN with good damage

vital grove
#

Do you time out?

honest kernel
#

Some of them

#

Others I had the time

ripe crane
#

EM4 is also harder than the rest of a run combined

rain sedge
#

Time to go to retrash em4 school

honest kernel
#

But frickin' got urn'ed or tagged by Hades himself

north dove
#

EM4 TD3 is not a fun time

vital grove
#

EM4 is literally the last heat I would do lol

honest kernel
#

Retrash does TD2 for a good reason

#

Gives you all the time in the world to play safe in that mess of a fight

#

Doing that fight while maximizing damage ? THAT's what I need to do

#

Zeus Shield can pull it off

#

I just need to not throw

vital grove
#

But you have to throw otherwise it won't hit him

honest kernel
#

...

vital grove
#

😝

#

Aspect of Baj is in fact a yoyo btw

mossy zinc
#

Maybe the key is to not throw to not throw.

#

Or it's throw to not throw.

#

It's one of those two.

#

50-50.

honest kernel
#

But still

#

EM4 is, for now, my main obstacle

#

And pretty much the only one outside of the timer

#

I'll be going Zeus special

#

Because of Damage Control, and the fact that the first 2 poms are actually pretty impactful on it

#

Compared to Artemis Special

#

I can't bank as hard on getting Hunter's Mark or something

#

And Skull Earing works pretty well on Zeus Special too, since it affects the base shield and the lightning bolts at the same time

#

Dionysus special too slow for rooms to matter here

#

And if I'm going with a %-based god, Artemis would be the pick

#

Shackles won't cut it anymore : I'll have to reset for the special

vital grove
#

I like how the internal cool down on Zeus Special is just under the damage ticks on Zeus shield

#

By like 0.1 sec

#

So each time it procs damage it also triggers the special

honest kernel
#

Conveniant

vital grove
#

Zeus insider knowledge

mossy zinc
#

Just Hourglass the whole run and buy all the damage items. dusa

vital grove
#

And hey it reapplies Jolted all the time which if the enemy is bashing at your shield with FO2 is massive damage

mossy zinc
#

Wells still give you 3 choices.

honest kernel
#

Since the shield special itself actually does hitstun

#

Unlike the rail attack

mossy zinc
#

I wonder if saving all the rerolls for Wells over boons isn't the right choice with AP2. thanthink

vital grove
#

I'm just picturing Asterius going ham and taking 120+ damage per swing just from the jolts

mossy zinc
#

Since Well rerolls still have good value.

honest kernel
#

Considering the amount of boons I had on my 57 heat run, and how I don't care about what Hermes gives me on AP2 ?

#

That could be worth

#

I'd still like 1 for safety, in case of a trolly trade

mossy zinc
#

And you can buy stuff > reroll > buy more stuff.

honest kernel
#

But no starting rolls makes this strat a bit ... hard

#

I basically get 3-4 rolls per run

#

At best

vital grove
#

Might fetch a hard key room

honest kernel
#

Assuming I even see that many keys

mossy zinc
#

The only legit bad trade on Zeus Aspect is Tempest Flourish, right?

honest kernel
#

Ares special is the bad trade

#

Tempest Flourish i can work with

vital grove
#

Ares is garbage without impending and dire

honest kernel
#

Or Merciful End

mossy zinc
#

Ah that makes sense. Wasn't thinking of Doom.

honest kernel
#

In fact, without Merciful End I don't want to see Ares ever lol

vital grove
#

Demeter can be nice because fairly high % and arctic blast

honest kernel
#

... actually on Attack it's ok

#

But the rest is whatever

honest kernel
mossy zinc
#

Frost Flourish % is literally the lowest along with Divine Flourish.

honest kernel
#

Arctic Blast actually makes it worse, IMO, because the damage isn't worth losing the debuff

mossy zinc
#

Chill is good though yeah.

vital grove
#

You sure?

mossy zinc
#

Yes, m sure.

vital grove
#

I thought tempest was lowest

honest kernel
#

Tempest is equal, IIRC

mossy zinc
#

No, Tempest Flourish is tied with Deadly Flourish.

#

On their own.

#

For second highest.

honest kernel
#

Wait really ?

vital grove
#

This is weird

honest kernel
#

Pretty sure Deadly Flourish is 40% at common

#

and Tempest Flourish, 70%

#

Deadly Flourish is good because of the 20% crit

true fable
#

yeah tempest flourish is nice

#

iirc pretty high base like nyaanyaa said

#

only tempest strike is a meme

honest kernel
#

^

mossy zinc
#

Lv.1 Common Tempest Flourish is +96% on average.

true fable
#

idr tempest flourish pom scaling

#

but it cant be as bad as strike

vital grove
#

Deadly is 40% plus crit.

mossy zinc
#

Deadly beats Tempest unless you put a couple poms on it, actually.

#

But still not too far behind it.

#

No, Deadly Flourish is 20% crit.

true fable
#

what's first pom on tempest?

mossy zinc
#

40% lol that'd be broken.

vital grove
#

I mean the base damage modifier

mossy zinc
#

First pom is +28%.

vital grove
#

It's 40%

#

40% damage, 20% crit

honest kernel
#

That looks like a 70% to me

vital grove
#

Tempest is definitely 70%

#

Chill is 60

honest kernel
#

60 makes sense

vital grove
#

Divine is 60 too

dire steppe
#

frost flourish rama is the secret tech for bad players

true fable
#

til retrash is a bad player

vital grove
#

Yeah you want ares special Rama and never press the attack button, but do get the special hammer, then win by stacking dire misfortune. Probably works for like 32 lol

mossy zinc
true fable
#

did you mean level 2 then?

vital grove
#

I wouldn't look at these in a vacuum

#

Tempest is tricky

honest kernel
mossy zinc
#

Oh.

#

That was supposed to be Deadly lol.

honest kernel
#

That'd actually make sense

#

Zeus special still better then

#

Because at common, it's effectively a +100%

#

And it's poms are great too

#

+12 and +8 damage for the first 2 levels

#

Compared to Artemis' Poms, that's pretty high

vital grove
#

And Zeus has that synergy scaling

honest kernel
#

Artemis better overall because of Duos, Chaos Boons, Hunter's Mark ...

true fable
#

are we factoring in chaos/jerky/skull earring

honest kernel
#

Can't get those reliably with AP2, CF2, UC

true fable
#

what about the skull earring

#

even +40 multiplied by crit is large

honest kernel
#

Skull Earing boosts the Zeus special twice

true fable
#

hmm

honest kernel
#

One for the base shield, one for the lightning

true fable
#

oh true

honest kernel
#

Not sure on the math, but I'd say that's more consistent damage overall

true fable
#

chimaera jerky feels like an interesting high roll but zeus is probably better

honest kernel
#

Even if Artemis special was a bit higher, I'd still consider Zeus special as a standalone

#

Because of DC

true fable
#

true

#

hoping for dio attack?

honest kernel
#

Hoping for basically any attack lmao

vital grove
#

And hey double strike is almost a crit

true fable
#

i think theres an argument for coa

vital grove
#

If you grab it

honest kernel
#

It's a weaker, more consistent crit

#

That also gets an insane boost from poms lmao

vital grove
#

Yeah especially the Epic one

#

It's like 45%

true fable
#

i wonder about the aoe effects for zeus bolts

honest kernel
#

Rarity doesn't matter for poms

#

But yeah

true fable
#

what does high voltage actually do

vital grove
#

Increase aoe

true fable
#

besides take up a boon slot

honest kernel
#

^

true fable
#

ok yes

honest kernel
#

Opens the legendary

#

Makes the AoE a bit bigger

vital grove
#

Sells for UC

honest kernel
#

Which is relevant with JS3

vital grove
#

Lol

true fable
#

but the aoe is usually fine, right

dire steppe
#

level 30 high voltage be like

honest kernel
#

^ I want to mess with that lol

dire steppe
#

they should just give high voltage like linear scaling

honest kernel
#

But otherwise, High Voltage doesn't do much with Zeus special on Zeus shield

dire steppe
#

or exponential even because why not

honest kernel
#

Still need to hit enemies with the shield itself to get hits in

vital grove
#

I had a +90% or so HV once for kicks, and lightning rod. The rod in the middle of Hades arena was hitting most of the arena.

dire steppe
#

make level 30 high voltage literally take up the entire screen even in asphodel

north dove
mossy zinc
#

Evidently.

#

Can't argue with results.

honest kernel
#

Spread Fire Zag Rail

#

Is this just a Merciful End sword run or what ?

vital grove
#

Blades don't need reloading

north dove
#

pretty much, except you don't stagger foes

dire steppe
#

spread fire mericuful end

#

with dire misfortune

#

what in tarnation

#

also 17:33... coulda turned on TD3 and gotten 48 heat

honest kernel
#

Alright, enough talk, I'll be doing runs

dire steppe
#

do i hear 61 heat zag rail

true fable
#

that actually looks right

#

me rail

#

nyaanyaa i told you

#

LOL

mossy zinc
#

Blocked.

true fable
#

what a loss

#

what will i do

#

where will i go

mossy zinc
#

I mean I dunno. I wouldn't want to live without me.

true fable
#

i dont know if you could thanthink

#

im still thinking about the cursed all ME all weaps lineups

mossy zinc
#

Well, we moved on from that to the all Lord Zeus + Poseidon lineup that is speedrun.com now.

true fable
#

hey sometimes we use aphrodite

#

and ME

mossy zinc
#

speedrun.com leaderboard is actually just runs sorted by how early they got Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave.

true fable
#

LOL

#

you can also sort by free rooms

#

its the same list

#

the best time to do 61 heat is now

#

while tailesque is building his computer

#

that way he cant barrel roll you until the new year

mossy zinc
#

No, it's the best time to do 62.

#

61 is just asking to get barrel-rolled.

#

And 31 * 2 = 62.

true fable
#

math checks out ig

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, you can't argue with math.

honest kernel
#

I frickin' timed out

#

That was with Dashing Wallop and Breaching Rush toi

#

With zeus special start, this can be done

true fable
#

pog

#

baj pushing the baj shield meta yet again

solemn pulsar
#

how much time do you think you need going into styx given you'll get a 2 sack?

#

can you do it in 5 minutes?

honest kernel
#

About 1:30 minutes, maybe 2

#

For extra time

solemn pulsar
#

ah

honest kernel
#

But I almost made it

#

With bad hammers and a bad elysium

solemn pulsar
#

elysium room RNG is now my least favorite part of the game

sly remnant
#

Baj god

plain shuttle
#

good lord 62

honest kernel
#

Please

#

I'm on an insane pace, time wise, even without Patty, and you do this to me

#

Ended up being a 3-sack too

#

Like c'mon

#

Yes between the first sack vermin and the 3-sack finish it took that long, CP2 vermin is that much of an issue

tidal flame
#

oof

honest kernel
#

But knowing I entered Styx with 2:28 extra time, without Patrocleus ...

#

This is a good sign

true fable
#

oof

mossy zinc
#

@honest kernel did you curse another good run by posting here about it? squirtooh

#

You know how the curse goes.

shy gulch
#

^she's right

dire steppe
#

tfw first sword 32 with cursed slash zag

tidal flame
#

if it works, it works

dire steppe
#

also dds in lc4 lol

#

lost 2 to em3

#

and 2 in styx

mossy zinc
#

@tidal flame I thought that was your victory screen at first and wanted to make fun of you for your terrible time. ron

#

@dire steppe good job!

dire steppe
#

thanks squirtnya

#

2 weapons left

mossy zinc
#

Very good speed for a Merciful End Zagius run. Very proud of you. squirtnya

tidal flame
dire steppe
#

had an earlier run where i had ME but i just never got the dash and died to hades

mossy zinc
#

That makes two of us. I forgot we had something in common. dusa

dire steppe
#

turns out doom attack isnt that great

mossy zinc
#

I think it's pretty good. You get good DPS just by hitting everything once.

#

Boss DPS suffers a little bit. But if you have Phalanx Shot and Divine Flourish, you can still get good damage with ME even without Divine Dash.

true fable
#

esp if you have dire

gaunt fiber
#

Hades3234 just achieved Talos 50

#

what a gamer

sly remnant
#

What was the build?

gaunt fiber
#

Lightning strike jolted Artemis special/aid

#

He got Pat, that was important

#

other than that nothing special

#

Oh nvm

#

Trippy shot scintillating feast

#

that did some work

sly remnant
#

Sick boons

#

Also I'm trying out heavy knuck deadly strike talos

#

Its kinda legit

vital grove
#

Lol Eris secretly a cast weapon 75% cast damage is legit

#

Hey what's meta on Hera bow? Thinking aphro strike and Dio cast or flood shot? I've been enjoying scint feast but it's on 24

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
sly remnant
#

Like the fact that I just died to big rat with a great talos build

gaunt fiber
#

No I mean he was so sad and said "sorry" so many times lol

gaunt fiber
#

Big rat scary

sly remnant
#

Oh cool I just had retrashs bug where I lost DD to trap after killing the Fury

gaunt fiber
#

I TOOK OWL PENDANT FOR ELYSIUM

#

Angry dad got me anyway

#

This should be the 32 meta tbh

solemn pulsar
#

HL5 LC4 gets you to 32 sooo much faster though

twin radish
#

jesus christ

#

that's less than 20 minutes for 32 heat

gaunt fiber
#

I'm kidding obviously

#

I'm using it to practice EM4

#

And going fast at the same time

vital grove
#

I'd rather have UC and 1 point somewhere than TD3 for that em4

#

But if you wanna go fast then you wanna go fast

gaunt fiber
#

you mean

#

That I've been selling a boon per biome thinking I had UC and I have not

#

for like 4 runs

#

thanks man

vital grove
#

Hidden UC

rain sedge
#

baj is getting close to that 62 πŸ‘€

gaunt fiber
#

oh btw Schad

rain sedge
#

hai

gaunt fiber
#

Merry Brexmas peepoHappy

rain sedge
#

I s u p p o s e

ripe crane
warm osprey
sly remnant
#

congrats!

ripe crane
#

Oh snap. Got me sweatin' 😱

warm osprey
#

that rng

#

couldnt have been better

#

and I almost choked it ahahah

#

I'm trying to upload but shadowplay is being weird witht he loggin in

#

but I got it recorded

gaunt fiber
#

Better than AP2 hazard bomb / piercing?

warm osprey
#

couldn't

#

that was best rng

#

possible

gaunt fiber
#

oh

#

I can't read

#

mb

#

Very nice tho

#

next step RI4, enjoy

warm osprey
#

I got archers

#

for first spawn

mossy zinc
#

Congratulations!

rain sedge
#

RI3 AP2 πŸ‘€

#

crepes is shaking

warm osprey
#

Its same heat except for the hell mode heat

#

Which can matter honestly at start of runs if u get elusion splitters

#

Illusion*

dire steppe
#

MFW hestia heat record is from β€œRobloxFan69”

#

what a time to be alive

warm osprey
#

its not

#

crepes has 56 done

#

can u trim videos on youtube

quartz mantle
#

You should be able to edit it within youtube

warm osprey
#

its uploading

#

hades fight wasnt as bad now that im rewatching

solemn pulsar
#

go through the video and see if the damage shield ever activated

#

if it didn't then you could won hell mode 56shadeohboy

halcyon flame
#

what's the easiest heat to start with

true fable
#

check the pinned posts for schad's guide

solemn pulsar
#

1 heat is the easiest πŸ˜‰

warm osprey
#

@solemn pulsar im not sure if I ever would have gotten bursted without the shield

#

can u take damage after a resurrect?

true fable
#

not right after

#

you notice the shield more when its gone πŸ₯²

true fable
warm osprey
#

@true fable wdym

#

isnt that boon useless

true fable
#

it is

warm osprey
#

lol

true fable
#

lol

warm osprey
#

ya theres a bunch that are at that heat

true fable
#

i personally like highlighting after party

warm osprey
#

almost done uploading if u guys wanna watch

true fable
#

neato

warm osprey
#

not much interesting happened from what I remember

true fable
#

did you show a death before

warm osprey
#

besides me almost choking at the end

#

yeah

true fable
#

pog

warm osprey
#

took like 300 attempts

#

which is pretty bad

true fable
#

should see my guan yu record

warm osprey
#

I had a good run pretty early into it but I messed up by not taking a boss room first

warm osprey
#

heres da run incase u wanna watch the end

#

wait ahahahah

#

I trimmed it wrong

shy gulch
#

oh dang nice job dude

#

55 heat is tuff

warm osprey
#

the first part isnt the run, its like 7 minutes in

#

10:30 is when it starts lol

#

ill reupload

vital grove
#

Well done dude!!!

#

What's the biggest crit you saw from that Arty Hazard?

warm osprey
#

like 1900

vital grove
#

Nice. Saw a 1400 one on hades

#

Well played

inland plover
#

What "SD" means?

clever otter
#

stubborn defiance

sly remnant
#

Stubborn Defiance. the one that works every room but only once

inland plover
#

im trying to do 25 with eris but uh

#

but its hard

tidal flame
#

You can post your pact here if you want feedback

true fable
#

it can be tough

rain sedge
#

some people here like eris, so can give you suggestions etc if you need

inland plover
#

HL: 4
LQ: 4
JS: 1
CP: 2
BP:1

#

FO: 1
DC 2
TD: 2

sly remnant
#

imma tell you right now kill CP

tidal flame
#

JS and CP can be lowered yeah

sly remnant
#

js1 on eris is fine

tidal flame
#

Also some points in EM, UC is better than taking HL4

rain sedge
#

CP2 πŸ‘€

#

wait.... wait. is that... EM0?

inland plover
#

Oh i forgot about EM

#

EM3

rain sedge
#

alright cool

#

so CP2 is making your life quite hard. The rest is... fine? I wouldn't eat HL4 if you're just starting off. I would do something like HL2 and MM

#

MM is a very free heat

#

if you are still struggling, then you have an option to do HL0 JS0, but TD3. Eris is the fastest weapon in the game, and with enough practice, you'll get that TD3 timer easily, especially at 25 heat

#

what's your build? is it the standard build?

inland plover
#

Yeah zeus build

#

i like poseidon or athena too

sly remnant
#

athena is good for starting out

rain sedge
#

yea that's cool. Take athena dash if you struggle

#

check the mirror setup on the pin. you should be good. just take MM instead of HL4

sly remnant
#

i think i'd take HL before i'd take LC

#

and i'd take both before forced overtime

rain sedge
#

I mean if they take MM and TD3 they can just go LC2 HL0

sly remnant
#

from a strictly numbers perspective 1 point in HL is less overall damage than 1 point in LC

inland plover
#

should i take olympian favor or dark foresight

sly remnant
#

dark foresight always

tame mist
#

so what should i do for heat 32

true fable
#

have you checked the pins

tame mist
#

i already wasted my free escape (the 10th one) on heat 16 lol

true fable
#

btw gbles @rain sedge for writing that up

tame mist
true fable
#

now i can just point to it for the FAQ 32

rain sedge
#

does that even unlock the statue?

#

32 heat is easier than beating nightmare king grimm, for sure, though.

tame mist
#

but nkg is soooooo easy

shy gulch
#

NKG is easy once you beat him once

#

but when u first start

#

id say 32 is easier than NKG if u havent tried either yet

tame mist
#

how do i beat the third boss with the gold armor and stuff

rain sedge
rain sedge
shy gulch
#

to be fair NKG is relatively easy once you beat him a couple times and learn the rhythm

#

but getting to that point is uh. not easy

rain sedge
#

theseus generally do laps around the stadium, dropping bombs, and those have big red circles on them

dire steppe
#

I can’t beat NKG but can beat 32

rain sedge
#

just dont stand in his tracks and you won't get hit. sometimes he use machine gun but you can dodge outta that quite easily

shy gulch
#

just gonna second Schad

#

focus on bull

#

avoid theseus

rain sedge
#

it's free.

shy gulch
#

eris rail is one of the best weapons in the game so it’s not going to be a cakewalk but it’ll be doable for sure

rain sedge
#

could do it blindfolded if we're being real

tame mist
#

i feel like DC and TD are always free

shy gulch
#

TD is pretty free, DC depends on weapon

#

eris rail? yeah DC is free as hell

mossy zinc
#

I'd take CP1 over JS1 if it's not a first-hit kill aspect with AOE like Guan Yu.

#

Should be faster.

#

CP1 is +15% HP and armor. JS1 is +20%.

#

Although only CP1 affects bosses, but it also means fewer BP enemies and less trouble with Saviors.

#

At least at like 32 or 40.

#

Hmmm. Actually I guess only CP affects minibosses, too. Still seems to be faster for me, though.

sly remnant
#

so the question becomes what is your aspect good at and how many free rooms are you planning on getting in the latter half of biomes

solemn pulsar
#

always plan on a lot of free rooms, for maximum disappointment

mossy zinc
#

DC1 on Eris is slower for me than either JS1 or CP1. Missing out on that first-hit Special damage.

#

Limited number of runs, of course. But that's been my experience.

tame mist
#

holy crap heat 32 is crazy

#

i cant heal lmao

solemn pulsar
#

I was trying some variations on the pact for 32 heat eris runs today and I agree with that assessment @mossy zinc. What was annoying was JS1 caused some styx rooms to turn into 2 wavers

gaunt fiber
#

Have you tried the EM4 special?

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I'd take CP1 over JS1 probably.

sly remnant
#

on eris? no way

solemn pulsar
#

CP slows the bosses so much tho

#

It’s a toughy

mossy zinc
#

Waiting for enemy spawns sucks.

#

Bosses still die pretty damn fast.

solemn pulsar
#

15% slower yeah

tame mist
#

is maxed eris the best way to beat heat 32

solemn pulsar
#

I did my first with maxed Chiron

#

Maxed Eris is pretty smooth though

tame mist
#

ok

#

does it have to be maxed

#

cuz mine isnt maxed but i have a lot of titan blood

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
#

yeah it's not 15% vs 20%

mossy zinc
#

Meg phases Lernie at CP0 and at CP1.

sly remnant
#

why are you meg'ing lernie outside of blue head?

mossy zinc
#

Just an example.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
#

That used to be meta anyway.

#

So it came to mind first.

#

2021 actually though we all moved on to LC4 Bouldy.

#

You're still stuck in 2020 meta, I guess.

sly remnant
#

idk i think yall are vastly underestimating the effect of CP1

gaunt fiber
#

no

mossy zinc
#

I just shared what's my experience.

gaunt fiber
#

big witches tartarus scary

mossy zinc
#

JS1 adds waves or staggers spawns, that takes a lot of time you can't DPS through.

#

CP1 you can DPS through.

sly remnant
#

outside of skulls and bloodless you don't feel JS1 ever

shy gulch
#

hestia is my favorite for 32

#

i think my first clear at 32 was with rama though

gaunt fiber
#

I don't remember my first 32

mossy zinc
#

You always feel JS1. More enemies are more enemies. They're not always all conventiently bunched up to all die to the same AOE.

#

More enemies jumping around in Asphodel means more enemies you have to run after etc.

sly remnant
#

but the way the calculation works half the time JS1 doens't even trigger additional enemies

solemn pulsar
#

Yeah not til the end biomes really

#

I feel it in Styx a lot though

#

Can add 50% time to a room

gaunt fiber
#

I think I did not show my first 40 pact to anyone before clearing it

#

I found it recently

#

Look at this

mossy zinc
#

Carried by Life Affirmation.

dire steppe
#

what if i got every weapon, aspect, boon, and hammer to exactly 32 heat so the permanent record is 100% green

gaunt fiber
#

Especially with Different League

mossy zinc
#

Of course.

gaunt fiber
dire steppe
#

i wish that was possible

sly remnant
#

theoretically you could stall until some insane time in the dad fight every time and leave him at one hit to do it

dire steppe
#

i’ll just get every boon in one run

dire steppe
gaunt fiber
#

yeah

#

Timer too precise

sly remnant
#

i said theoretically

#

not practically

rain sedge
#

hammy new year

#

or not yet for americans i think

dire steppe
#

hammy is more accurate than happy

rain sedge
#

happy new year lol

tidal flame
#

Happy The End of 2020!!

#

People in the future, how is 2020 2021?

#

did we clear 64 heat yet?

rain sedge
#

you mean 2021 xd

gaunt fiber
#

64 meta is GY

#

who would have thought

rain sedge
#

as future person, I can say....

#

I see baj doing 62 heat soon

solemn pulsar
#

my first 32 heat clear lmao

#

way back in the day

#

of october

shy gulch
#

oh actually Chiron was my first 32 clear too

#

I didn’t start using Rama till a bit later

solemn pulsar
#

CF2 TD2 CP1 BP0 what was I thinking

#

HL5 LC3 with DDs, yikes dude

#

I think i cleared 16 heat first try, then did this and got 2nd try?

shy gulch
#

yeah what the heck LOL

solemn pulsar
#

must have been lucky

shy gulch
#

it took me a few tries to do 32

gaunt fiber
#

I don't wanna brag or anything but my first 40 is worse

shy gulch
#

16 I got first try as well I think but 32 was a big jump

gaunt fiber
#

AP1 TD3 DC1 GY

shy gulch
#

what.

gaunt fiber
#

just a bit above

sly remnant
#

the FO2 is what blew me away

#

on that weapon

solemn pulsar
#

DC1 you monster

sly remnant
#

granted i gu;ess fo2 is fine when they all die to heroic arti charged skewer

gaunt fiber
#

oh it was for me

#

Well they don't die to skewer

dire steppe
#

i was gonna say FO isn’t rhat bad on chiron

gaunt fiber
#

it's DC1

solemn pulsar
#

not with DC1

sly remnant
#

oh yea

#

christ

gaunt fiber
#

FO2 was really hard to get used to

#

especially vs Asterius

#

so many deaths

solemn pulsar
#

i started running it to do eris speedies and now i'm just used to it, thankfully

gaunt fiber
dire steppe
#

sometimes when i do 32 runs i basically just auto die if i am forced to take asterius miniboss

#

crutching acorn way too hard

gaunt fiber
#

I remember once

#

Asterius miniboss

#

My brain was convinced that I had acorn

sly remnant
#

lol yea i've done that oo

dire steppe
#

em3 applying to miniboss is unfair

gaunt fiber
#

that's true

sly remnant
#

honestly i don't like that asterios is a miniboss

#

compared to the bfly ball

#

its a significant part of rng

dire steppe
#

i wish there was a way to differentiate in the chamber previews

#

when u see 2 miniboss chambers and it’s 50/50 to end your run

sly remnant
#

or atleast make the room bigger

#

so the ballerina doesnt ruin me

#

asterios miniboss is a big reason i like bablo tooth

shy gulch
#

same

#

tooth in elysium is my pick partly just because of bull

honest kernel
#

Ye 'ol reliable

#

I could see it for consistent high heat stuff

warm osprey
#

tooth is good if u can drop shackle

honest kernel
#

^

#

Altho my new 62 heat plan doesn't involve shackles anymore

warm osprey
#

I feel like its rare u can

honest kernel
#

It goes Thunder Signet -> Skull Earing

warm osprey
#

yeah I was thinking of that for 55 heat

#

on rail

#

not zeus but aphro or crit god

honest kernel
#

If you get a good enough attack, yeah

ripe crane
#

Spending 50% of your playtime rerolling for a good starting boon sounds very fun

honest kernel
#

It isn't, but it's not as bad as I thought it would be

true fable
#

why not just seed

#

i dont think people would look down on seeded first boon

honest kernel
#

Don't want to bother with that

true fable
#

though other peoples perceptions shouldnt factor into it at all ig

honest kernel
#

It's mostly to myself that I want to do it unseeded, still

#

And it's like : The special is the only thing I want, so it's like if I want to seed for just that, why not just get the few quick resets in and still keep it unseeded

true fable
#

i suppose so

honest kernel
#

In fact, the reason I went shackles in the first place was to prove that you could do it without needing to reset

#

But the plan was to get a good special anyways, and with EM4 ... I might as well just get to the special first

#

Rest is room RNG, which unless I learned to route it, isn't really seedable

#

Like, I don't even care about Hermes

#

I can still do good times with mediocre hammers

#

I just need the game to not give me Vermin and 3 sacks and I have a good shot, with a decent special

#

It's not like me seeding would change those outcomes either way

true fable
#

fair

#

just zeus special then?

honest kernel
#

Yup

#

Altho I did a few attempts with Zeus attack

#

And it worked OK, until I got a good special

warm osprey
#

my problem was time

honest kernel
#

AKA if I don't get a special by Tartarus and I started with Zeus attack, I reset

warm osprey
#

without shackle start

honest kernel
#

Not too much harm done there

true fable
#

even with good time?

warm osprey
#

I want to try for 56 hestia

#

but its a big jump from 55 honestly

honest kernel
#

You need the special to get through Asphodel fast enough for EM4

#

And a Skull Earing boosted special for Elysium

#

CP2 bosses are a real game changer for the damage needed

true fable
warm osprey
#

nah

#

I'd have to em4 and drop some stuff

honest kernel
#

Sometimes I forget I run Hellmode, until I reset and I don't see the shield pop up and I'm like "what, isn't it supposed to appe- oh right, PL is on"

warm osprey
#

prolly health and a packsize

#

the adds on em4

#

are disgusting

true fable
#

yup

ripe crane
#

EM4 is painful. If I were going to do 56 without PL, I thought I would drop to RI2 and CP1.

true fable
#

i got really lucky on my 50 beo clear i think it was double skull crusher

honest kernel
#

^ I more or less did that for my 57

true fable
#

or skull crusher megagorgon

honest kernel
#

Dropped EM4 entirely

#

And went for CP2

warm osprey
#

what is RI and CP

ripe crane
#

But, EM4 is definitely doable with Hestia. All of my clears before 56 had it. Gotta practice the fight and you'll be ok

honest kernel
#

Routine Inspection, Calisthenics Program

#

Pin has the info on what the acronyms are

warm osprey
#

ah ok

mossy zinc
warm osprey
#

didnt think of that

#

ya its prolly better to just get ur double dash back

#

it sounds brutal

#

prolly like 2 weeks of grinding minimum like 12 hours a day

#

to try to get a run good enough

true fable
#

if not a tartarus trap πŸ˜›

mossy zinc
#

lol

true fable
#

i still need to make that death compilation

#

wondering what music i could use

mossy zinc
#

"This RI4 Guan Yu Tartarus is going perfect."
spike trap ching vs Alecto
dun dun dun dunnn
....
"Huh?"

true fable
#

i cant imagine HS with 1 dash

#

im very used to double dashing those

mossy zinc
#

You just treat them like impassable terrain.

warm osprey
#

my rng on the 55 was literally flawless and I still dont think I could do em4

#

cuz I suck

mossy zinc
#

Or dash over clean.

true fable
mossy zinc
#

Four people have done 55+ unseeded.

#

Stop.

warm osprey
#

em4 is a different tier of difficulty tho

#

thats for god gamers like retrash

mossy zinc
#

EM4 is brutal and takes a lot of practice.

#

EM4 specific practice. Can't just go through that with fundamentals.

#

Just means you haven't practiced EM4 enough. Retrash has a ton of practice in that fight with all aspects.

warm osprey
#

my biggest worry with hestia is the adds

#

cuz they are super tanky

mossy zinc
#

Could exploit the Doomstone trick.

#

Although on pad with auto-aim, it just becomes impossible to aim at anything you want with Doomstone + shards on the stage.

true fable
#

i think im just gonna do EM4 maxy practice on high heat in the new year

#

retrash said he hasnt turned the fight off since he unlocked it

#

i dont think i'll do any non-speedrun high heat runs without it

warm osprey
#

whats the doomstone trick?

mossy zinc
#

If he summons Doomstone in phase 1 part 2 and there are too many Doomstone shards on the stage, it prevents him from summoning more enemies in phase 1 part 3.

warm osprey
#

oh interesting

gray breach
#

Heya, if I beat a higher heat than I'm up to, do I lock down those missed bounties forever? (It looks like I do – I beat Tartus on Heat 16 with the sword, but I'd most recently beaten like 6 or so. Now it looks like it marks the Blood as collected from 6-16.)

mossy zinc
#

No, you get the bounties for 7 Heat if it tells you to fill your gauge to 7 and you're at 7+.

#

So after that, you'll have to get bounties for 8 Heat.

gray breach
#

Even though Im seeing a checkmark by heat levels I havent beaten yet?

mossy zinc
#

Where are you seeing checkmarks even. thanthink

#

That's how it works, anyway. Don't know what you're seeing.

gray breach
#

Fair enough, thanks

dire steppe
#

pro strats

north dove
shy gulch
#

F

#

zeus cast on hera good god

true fable
#

thats the old ellomenop build

#

retrash how many did you reach

north dove
#

18

shy gulch
#

damn

#

impressive regardless

north dove
#

I think I'm gonna try to beat some aspects' heat records next

shy gulch
#

pog

true fable
#

you can def do it

shy gulch
#

which ones u lookin at rn

true fable
#

youve got a leg up already on anyone who ran EM3 TD3

#

vs EM4 TD2

#

talos looks quite juicy

north dove
#

Talos first maybe yeah

true fable
#

hades3234's been grinding 50 heat talos with no dice so far

north dove
#

didn't he get a W? I could have sworn he did

shy gulch
#

i thought he did but i could be wrong

north dove
#

but it doesn't matter because I'll be going for 51

shy gulch
#

lmao

true fable
#

lemme check the sheet

#

i didnt get to watch his strim yesterday since he starts at like 3 am my time usually

#

LOL yeah he did

#

notes: "i hate talos"

shy gulch
#

LMAO

mossy zinc
#

HAPPY NEW YEAR, EVERYONE!!!

tidal flame
#

Happy New Year indeed

#

though isn't it quite into the first where you are at?

static plover
#

Persephone sure looks different than her usual in game Hades portrait

#

Happy new year klinkHyper

mossy zinc
tidal flame
#

big brain move

vital grove
#

No you didn't

#

It's like noon in Greece

#

Just keeping you honest. 😏

torn vapor
#

That's what happens every time I play Mario Party with anyone bowserlaugh

mossy zinc
warm osprey
#

@north dove dude u should stream

#

Ur an actual god

honest kernel
#

That moment when Than was on a break

warm osprey
#

@honest kernel how’d you lose all the time? Just not enough dam!

#

?*

honest kernel
#

Elysium was rough

#

Tartarus wasn't pretty either

#

No Than

#

If I recall, I had tons of unarmored swords and archers

warm osprey
#

Gross

#

Yeah its gonna be a 1/1000 type run

#

Maybe worse odds

#

Just with room rng

#

Elysium can be a cake walk or the run just ends instantly

honest kernel
#

Yeah, but what else can I do better

#

At this point

#

CP1 and go for a 61 heat ?

warm osprey
#

True

#

Its worth going for

honest kernel
#

I'm basically asking for it lmao

warm osprey
#

Cuz it will be insane

honest kernel
#

I'll see how I feel it out after like a few more days of attempts

#

Then I'll consider the downgrade

warm osprey
#

The ones that get really close are most demoralizing

honest kernel
#

Even worse when the game throws a tiny vermin and a 3-sack in your face

#

When you have 2:30-ish minutes of overtime, even if Patty and Than didn't show up

warm osprey
#

I had 2 3 sacs, a 4 sac, and two single dash runs

#

Thats insane time

honest kernel
#

Watching the run again

#

I timeout in Tartarus

#

lmao

#

Tons of numbskulls and witches

warm osprey
#

Dude

vital grove
#

I had two 5 sacks in 4 runs lol and people say it's 2%

warm osprey
#

The actual worst

#

Is when the witches spawn endlessly

honest kernel
#

Asphodel was about 3:30 minutes-ish long

#

Wait, actually more like 4 minutes

#

What the heck is up with those times

warm osprey
#

Hitting eurydice, bouldy and Pat is prolly required to have time

#

With a good early chaos

honest kernel
#

Probably a fountain

#

Than also needed

vital grove
#

A second good chaos could help too

honest kernel
#

2-sack as well

#

And no tiny πŸ€

vital grove
#

Baj, you'll do it

#

100%

warm osprey
#

You or tales

honest kernel
#

Yeah this run 'looked' good on the surface

#

But that actually wasn't all that great

warm osprey
#

Retrash could 100% if he wanted to grind it

honest kernel
#

the free rooms were early

#

And outside of that, I didn't get Chaos or fountains

vital grove
#

I know it's a long shot but getting stubborn roots and 350 hp would let you heal through the timeout

#

More or less

honest kernel
#

In my like 100+ attempts at 50+ heat

#

with AP2

#

I've seen like 3-4 duos lmao

vital grove
#

Yes, long shot is long

warm osprey
#

Same

#

Ive seen stubborn roots once

#

With like 300 attempts

#

Never trying for it tho just happened to see it crossed out

honest kernel
#

Rewatching

#

I actually didn't timeout in Elysium

#

only in Tartarus lol

#

Either way, this is looking rough

vital grove
#

Do you ever do seeded?

warm osprey
#

Going zeus into the low health damage keepsake kinda front loads ur time

honest kernel
honest kernel
vital grove
#

You'd get more plain damage from just the shackle

#

Ah, but DC2

honest kernel
#

Actually, not on Zeus special

#

It's actually even at common

#

And a little bit more because of DC

warm osprey
#

I cant explain how many runs died on hestia to just getting armor rare mobs in elysium

#

Instead of like 3 rare witches

honest kernel
#

Oh yeah I had armor'ed Longspears

#

And 2 rooms full of naked archers

vital grove
#

Naked oiled archers?

honest kernel
#

... Not sure if they were oiled

#

And I wouldn't want to test it out

vital grove
#

Heheh. Old FFT meme

warm osprey
#

Unless u have seeded tiers of rng

#

You cant afford armored mob time loss on hestia

honest kernel
#

Duos literally curse me, I die in the next room so often when I get one

warm osprey
#

Armored numbskulls is insta reset

honest kernel
#

It's actually ... consistent

vital grove
#

Savior numbskull cluster

honest kernel
#

Oh ^ I love to see those

#

Since I shred them with Zeus special

vital grove
#

You have to start using the normal hestia shot

warm osprey
#

Ill be honest tho, the rng makes it fun to try for

honest kernel
#

But this is definitely possible

#

... I actually am probably better off training some more in the EM4 fight

vital grove
#

I kinda like Slicing Shot just for those when I hestia

warm osprey
#

What which one is slicing

#

Richochet always helps for em

#

The god move is richochet and piercing

#

But then ur single target is kinda meh

honest kernel
#

Slicing Shot is Ares cast

warm osprey
#

Oh ya

#

Thats good

honest kernel
#

It's a great DC disabler

warm osprey
#

Dionysus dash, ares dash

#

Also help a lot

shy gulch
#

damn i need to get better at EM4 fight w beo

#

got there twice at 45 heat and died both times

#

to be fair this run was prob dead by timer regardlss but still

warm osprey
#

Thats mad good

#

I struggle with the melee weapons

shy gulch
#

shield isnt really a melee ngl

warm osprey
#

I always get too greedy with swinging and the haste gets me

honest kernel
#

I'll throw super good Rama runs

#

But then I clear 45 heat Arthur first try with Cursed Slash and no double hammers ... on TD3 CP2 JS3

#

Like, what the frick

warm osprey
#

Thats insane

#

Arthur feels so bad

honest kernel
#

Arthur was meant to take it, not dish it back out super fast

warm osprey
#

Good dam but u really have to god gamer

honest kernel
#

Oh yeah, FO2 as well

#

Like, how did I even

warm osprey
#

Rama is not easy

honest kernel
#

It legit isn't

warm osprey
#

Always get hit charging up

honest kernel
#

But Hades fight on non-shield is wack for me lmao

warm osprey
#

Same

#

Hestia you can cheese it

honest kernel
#

I've tried it once

#

On like 50 heat

#

Hades fight was still a pain

shy gulch
#

EM or no

honest kernel
#

EM3

#

EM4 lmao nope

shy gulch
#

non EM hades fight can be annoying without 1 extra dash or hyper sprint

#

at least thats how ive always played it LUL

honest kernel
#

I think I was on 1-dash

#

But yeah

shy gulch
#

oh rip

#

thats rough then

honest kernel
#

Probably on 2

#

Dunno what my RI level was on

#

Either way, for now

#

I'm probably just gonna grind the EM4 fight itself

#

Like, I know I can get there

#

RNG isn't something I'll really control

#

So the best I can do for now is get more comfortable with EM4 Hades

#

I'm going to need to do it on Hellmode tho, since my current savefile that has the fight is on the regular mode

shy gulch
#

got to lernie on 50 heat zeus shield for my first try

#

i think i can maybe get this

#

getting more used to the rhythm

#

the rng was pretty bad this run anyways, but time is going to be an issue for me

warm osprey
#

Time is rng

#

Some runs I had 2 minutes left in tartarus, others I ran out

shy gulch
#

yeah I mean room rng is big but I know I can get better at using the special

#

to be more efficient

warm osprey
#

Imagine an arpg with hades combat

gaunt fiber
#

Have you played Furi?

warm osprey
#

Nah

gaunt fiber
#

You should squirtyay

obtuse prairie
#

I'm very scared to do my first ever PoP escape

vital grove
#

Don't be, the heat isn't that difficult until higher up

#

Start with a extreme measures, benefits package, underworld customs and middle management IMO

#

Just 1 by 1

obtuse prairie
#

so like, one extreme measure
then after beating Hades again, i have to add another right? those are the rules?

gaunt fiber
#

If you go for bounty hunting, you will have to add at least one more heat yeah

obtuse prairie
#

Bounty what

gaunt fiber
#

Hum

#

I mean, clearing you bounties (titan blood, diamonds, Ambrosia)

obtuse prairie
#

Oh yeah... I haven't done the Sword and Bow bounty yet

gaunt fiber
#

Although adding one heat at a time could be boring

#

You could choose to clear 16 only, and you'll get the bounty for the lowest non cleared heat

#

Because the game at low heat will get boring as you improve

obtuse prairie
#

see the thing is, I'm not very good at roguelike games

vital grove
#

Got my aspect of Baj 36 🀣

warm osprey
#

nice

gaunt fiber
#

Finally got an EM4 clear

#

I'm getting used to the rythm

#

The thing is the fight is very long

#

So you can't play like a clown and rush it down

sly remnant
#

the fight punishes not having extra DDs a lot

gaunt fiber
#

I lost the run before

#

4 DDs

#

but I'm just a clown

sly remnant
#

BRUH

gaunt fiber
#

was caught in a butterfly sneak tempest

solemn pulsar
#

ah, the sneakstorm

sly remnant
#

you gotta burst em down

gaunt fiber
#

I was trying to single dash everything to figure out the timing too

gaunt fiber
solemn pulsar
#

practicing for mirrorless?

gaunt fiber
#

yeah kinda

#

I want to beat mirrorless GY EM4 at some point

#

And EM4 will allow me to reach 50 heat a bit more easily

sly remnant
#

i also just think the fight is fun

gaunt fiber
#

I'm trying Rama and god it's so much fun

sly remnant
#

even if it has some insane pre-reqs

gaunt fiber
#

I have a charged skewer without hammer

gaunt fiber
#

Even if there's some urn/cerberus shenanigans

sly remnant
#

i honestly think its spear throws are the biggest part of the fight i hate

#

i just always assume throw

#

and i still get caught every once in a while

gaunt fiber
#

honestly

#

I play at point blank range

#

It's easier imo

sly remnant
#

yep i agree

#

i watched retrash just constantly stay on top of him with i frame dodges and i wasl ike

#

]thats its

#

thats the way

gaunt fiber
#

16 min 4 sack rama

#

Lmao this weapon shreds everything

vital grove
#

Yeah Rama is deadly

#

Got a 36 Hera done, had lightning Phalanx and parting shot, lmao

shy plinth
#

How does lightning phalanx work with hera

sly remnant
#

i hate how it works

vital grove
#

It starts bouncing

obtuse prairie
#

bro Patroclus keepsake + any melee weapon is wicked

sly remnant
#

i was about to ask phoenix for tips

shy plinth
#

Oh

vital grove
#

From the hit, or from a miss

sly remnant
#

even the base phalanx shot does weird things

#

you wouldn't have happened to be recording would you?

#

i tried to make it work and just couldn't

vital grove
#

Nope

#

I don't do recordings

#

It was gonna be a crush shot game but I went hammer into 2 reroll no crush shot and then got epic Phalanx

#

So kinda went with it. The backstab stuff stacks up pretty high

#

I picked up parting shot and exposed

#

And just did my best to dash through things and point blank the back

#

Asterius is verrrrry prone to getting gibbed by this build

sly remnant
#

i might have to go back and try it

vital grove
#

I think just having crush is more consistent, this was a mega high roll

sly remnant
#

yea but everyone knows i love my high roll builds

gaunt fiber
#

I timed out with Hera earlier

#

Crush shot too

#

idk how you go fast

sly remnant
#

what was your pact

gaunt fiber
#

My 32 EM4 TD3

sly remnant
#

did you time out on EM4? cuz that just happens sometimes

gaunt fiber
#

yeah on EM4

sly remnant
#

that just happens with EM4

#

UC and CF hurt hera a lot too

#

you need boons

gaunt fiber
#

I was dumb too

#

Did not try to get cast boons from hermes (if that helps idk)

#

And ignored a chaos gate

sly remnant
#

eh movement is fine on hera

#

oh lol don't ignore chaos

gaunt fiber
#

I double rolled the first one so Chaos got me upset

#

How could I trust them again

sly remnant
#

thats fair

vital grove
#

More casts is good, I actually didn't find any

#

But em4 TD3 is brutal

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah but it's no JS

#

So I'm trying Zag sword and took divine flourish room 1

vital grove
#

I just do JS3 TD2

gaunt fiber
#

I'm in Elysium, crying for divine dash

vital grove
#

Sacrifice a goat to Athena

gaunt fiber
#

world splitter run btw

true fable
#

is astaos branching out? 2021 is wild

gaunt fiber
#

Nah I'm trying EM4 with all aspects

true fable
#

oo good shout

gaunt fiber
#

divine dash at styx shop pog

#

3min left so rip anyway

true fable
#

?

sly remnant
#

can live in overtime and thats a bit of time

true fable
#

3 mins should be just barely enough i think

#

maybe thats just my brain on beo

sly remnant
#

with no CP and no DC its doable i think

gaunt fiber
#

Phase 2 time out

#

DR world splitter

#

150 dmg hits/400 on crit

#

was fun

gaunt fiber