#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 188

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:22 AM

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is it possible you skipped it with chaos or something?

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:25 AM

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nope, took no chaos

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 4:25 AM

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story?

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:29 AM

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what do you mean

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 4:29 AM

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sisy/eurydice/patty

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:29 AM

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had eurydice and patty

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 4:29 AM

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those are the only rooms i know of that really mess with exits

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:29 AM

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never was a choice between that and hammer though

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anyway, rip https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/791160545905475585/20201222222834_1.jpg

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if it wasn't 3sack and i got a good second hammer

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:31 AM

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60 heat

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:31 AM

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oh well

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:31 AM

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good god tail

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good try tho

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damn

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:32 AM

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Wait 60 already

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Was 59 done or what

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:33 AM

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nah

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:33 AM

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i think he decided the difference between CP1 and CP2 wasn't worth grinding a 59 AND 60 clear. so he'd just get it over with

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:33 AM

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pretty much

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 4:33 AM

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Fair enough

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:37 AM

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damn

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3 sack stopped me from beating 50 heat, died to timer just as 2nd half of phase 2 started

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unfort

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tho I might’ve been able to get it if I played first phase better

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:45 AM

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yeah first phase for that one was butterfly ball first up, which is the worst possible one to get for rama

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:45 AM

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oof that’s rough

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:46 AM

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chargi- butterfly stun butterfly stun butterfly stun

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:47 AM

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speedy dad chases you down while butterflies prevent you from fighting back

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very fun thank you

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:49 AM

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does anyone here besides baj play keyboard/mouse?

gentle bridge Dec 23, 2020, 4:49 AM

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i do, but my highest is only 32.

also, since im getting 32heat down quite consistently, what would be better: slowly upping the heat or just jumping to 40?

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:49 AM

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i uh

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technically play kbm

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bright does too

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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wdym technically

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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my keybindings r really odd so I don’t use the mouse

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just the keyboard

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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croven plays keyboard

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i play keyboard mouse

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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I basically play it like a controller

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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LMAO than just roasted me for no reason?

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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???

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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when he never had before like this

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:50 AM

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rofl what did he say

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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sometimes when you finish a chamber he's like "you're reckless but you're quick" but for some reason after a brief pause and me hitting him for fun he just goes

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"idiot."

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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LMAO

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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i mean

gentle bridge Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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hmmm (thinking) will arcade sticks be any good? i gotta try it

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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you did hit him

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 4:51 AM

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but i always hit than after the encounter

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it's tradition

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but this time he just got me back

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:52 AM

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oh i see

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:57 AM

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two rooms of linking duplicating numbskulls

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in Tartarus

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good lord

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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well there goes your timer

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ouch

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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no I just straight up died LOL

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 4:59 AM

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oh ouch

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 5:20 AM

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baj and tyler both do kbm as well

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crovens stream is some nice high heat asmr rn

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 5:27 AM

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lol

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no 2 sack, pain

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speedy teleporting crystals in Styx r rough

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 5:28 AM

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so much pain

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:09 AM

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gentle bridge i do, but my highest is only 32. also, since im getting 32heat down quite consi...

Just go for 40.

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 6:13 AM

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so remember earlier when i said elite chariots don't scare me
nevermind to that when they're speeder slugger in that one elysium chamber that's extremely small

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:13 AM

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LOL

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:15 AM

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BP3 when?

dire steppe Dec 23, 2020, 6:16 AM

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C l o n e r L i n k e r S l u g g e r time

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or cloner linker savior if you prefer

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 6:17 AM

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sigh

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died to heroes again

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didn’t get patty which kinda lost it, I was low on time anyways

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:18 AM

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which weapon?

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 6:18 AM

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hestia

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:18 AM

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Linker Speeder Savior.

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:19 AM

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ah so TD2 is not really in the cards huh

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 6:19 AM

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yeah not really

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I know I can do it I just need to get marginally lucky and play well

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:20 AM

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How many levels of BP would you take if there wasn't a cap on it and each subsequent level gave 1 more heat than the last?

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go all in on BP8

onyx venture Dec 23, 2020, 6:20 AM

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There was already a lot of balancing around BP2, I'd hate to have to balance more shadeembarassed

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:21 AM

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north dove How many levels of BP would you take if there wasn't a cap on it and each subseq...

All of them, yeah.

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:22 AM

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that's 44 heat right there

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 6:24 AM

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armored numbskulls would be invincible

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:24 AM

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unless you have B L A D E D A S H

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 6:28 AM

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man, i dunno what it is about my runs but the bottom right corner always gets completely filled with cerberus circles in EM4

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it's seriously just not safe anymore

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the way i lost that one was really sad; cerberus circles stacked in that corner and i couldn't really escape any of them, so SD was gone from PL. then, pot and laser combo

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:37 AM

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im starting to think that blade dash is actually the best fists dash

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unless you're running athena dash obvi

gentle bridge Dec 23, 2020, 6:38 AM

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ares dash carries a lot of my bad runs

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:40 AM

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Honestly the Nem victory made me appreciate drunken dash a lot more than I used to

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 6:40 AM

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missed patty again and died to heroes

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I need to get better at this fight

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:42 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/vZPkINw

Imgur

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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i actually had drunken dash in that attempt i mentioned earlier and it helped a ton with building call and actually doing damage to sneaks

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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8 of these hammer upgrades are not Charged Skewer.

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Guess which.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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is that flaring nyaanyaa

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whats next to serrated in C?

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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massive

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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Massive Spin.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:43 AM

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fair

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 6:44 AM

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Massive over Quick thanthink

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:44 AM

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give me flurry jab GY or give me death

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Massive Spin has +125% damage and huge AOE.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:45 AM

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i kind of wish spear just did more damage per hit but flurry jab was worse

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yk?

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:46 AM

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Top 3 are hammers you need for DPS.

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Quick Spin and Breaching Skewer can also help, but not as much as the top 3.

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I thought about putting them in the same tier, but I think if you don't have one of the top 3 hammers yet, you should pick one of them for DPS. So that's why it's higher.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 6:56 AM

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i for sure thought serrated would be above massive spin

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i guess it's the safety?

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 6:57 AM

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Yeah.

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Single dash Serrated Point is yikes.

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https://imgur.com/a/w2Qt0vW

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Demeter Aspect.

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Actually.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:00 AM

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kinetic launcher in D ?

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:00 AM

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Yup.

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I think it's way overrated.

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Moved up Long Knuckle. https://imgur.com/a/wmZi5ic

Imgur

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:01 AM

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I put kinetic launcher in f tier because I'm bad and can't use it

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:01 AM

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^that cuz you have attack at cursor on

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kinetic launcher is still aoe

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Whats next to long knuckle in B?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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flying i think

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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Flying Cutter, yeah.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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also he appears pog

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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How is that good, srs question

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:02 AM

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have you been off in some remote mountaintop grinding EM4

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Enjoying christmas at mom's

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:03 AM

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ah i see

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enjoy away

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:03 AM

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Double base damage, charges really fast now, cuts a path through your enemies.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:03 AM

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im also curious to hear about flying cutter

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hmmm

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need to try it out a bit more i guess

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is it 2x or +100%?

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:04 AM

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It's +100% base damage. That's x2.

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:04 AM

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When I go back and record my dem fists I might try some weird stuff

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:05 AM

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I guess flying cutter is something i could've utilized in winstreaking

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:05 AM

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twin shot is 2x, not +100% though

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:05 AM

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Not sure i was offered it

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If it says +100% base, it means double damage in practice

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:06 AM

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ok

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need to try it some more then

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:07 AM

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Just gotta be mindful that it doesn't apply to Dash-Uppers, so don't do a Dash right before you try to charge a Flying Cutter with the buff.

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Because you'll whiff a Dash-Upper before you charge the Flying Cutter.

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:08 AM

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I never realized that. Im glad I was in this chat when you said that

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:08 AM

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i still want justice for kinetic launcher but im down to try flying now

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:09 AM

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I was hoping to pick up kinetiic launcher in my zag fist runs

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:09 AM

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sounds like you could phase bosses with arty special flying cutter

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i guess you can phase bosses with arty special either way

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:09 AM

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Arti truly best girl

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:10 AM

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Yeah, it's very nice for bosses. You can just charge for free when they phase and get some high damage in.

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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pain.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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so much pain

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im sorry croven

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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I think that’s it for tonight

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I’m too tilted

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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that looked like a tough fight

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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What happened

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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I got realllly unlucky in hades fight

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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full HP and SD until 1/3 HP phase 2

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then pot and lasers

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:11 AM

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Oof

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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yep

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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Regular dad or EM4 dad

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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regular

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which somehow makes it worse

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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BIG YIKES

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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bc I should have easily had that

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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I'm sporry

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:12 AM

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to be fair i definitely coudlve done better

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Pots are....nasty

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:13 AM

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i somehow got an extra dd with AP2 and then lost it to theseus

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when he was like one hit from dying

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that was unfortunate

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:13 AM

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Oof

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:13 AM

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god im actually so tilted LMAO

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:13 AM

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ive thrown that fight a number of times though

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you'll get it next time

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:13 AM

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u got this next time croven

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dont give up!

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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yeah i'll prob continue later tonight or tomorrow

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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What Heat?

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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50

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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I see.

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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probably best to take a break tho, i always play better with a clear head

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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Guess you didn't have what it takes. dusa

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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pain.

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:14 AM

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dusa

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:15 AM

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i mean unironically i got everything i needed that run, barring maybe a hermes boon but still

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:15 AM

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We all just have Stockholm syndrome in this channel honestly

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:15 AM

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so to not win after that is just

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f

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:15 AM

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The fight is hard. Especially when you're going for a new Heat PB or record or something.

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:15 AM

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it was regular dad not em4

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:15 AM

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Yes.

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m talking about the regular fight.

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:16 AM

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i usually feel like hes one of the easier parts of these runs

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but i think i got a bit lenient after going into phase 2 with an acorn charge

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:16 AM

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Especially when you're going for a new Heat PB or record or something.

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Not in those cases, he sure isn't. dusa

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:16 AM

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yea thats fair

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well whatever i'll get it soon

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:16 AM

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👑

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chin up laddie

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:17 AM

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It's relatively easy to not get hit, but you also can't get hit because he does so much damage. Just a couple screw-ups can end your run easily.

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:17 AM

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yeah

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thats p much what happened

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i got doinked for like 80+ 3 times

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and then bam

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:17 AM

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yup

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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You'll get other chances. 50 is just a number. The important thing is what you are learning about aspects and the game while you do it

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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50 is a number but its a sexy number

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i will get that sexy number

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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true

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i might be doing some atts in a bit

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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atts?

cosmic gyro Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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Also fun.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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want to do beo/chaos/hestia

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attempts

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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o

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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idk why i abbreviated lmao

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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good luck

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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TY

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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have u gotten 50 yet?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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nah

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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o dang

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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im hardstuck 45 KEK

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:18 AM

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lmk if u stream

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ha get owned ive done 46

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Its a number. Just remember that.

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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beo sounds absolutely ridiculous at 50+, i dont understand how people do that

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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^

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i need to watch retrash's vid

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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At this point, I just expect I'll throw the fight a handful of times when I try a new challenge before m more comfortable in it.

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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that sounds absurd

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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tyler do u have a vod of your run?

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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yeah i need to learn the hades fight without extra movement lol

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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Yea its on the sheet

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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most times i got to him i had an extra dash or hyper sprint

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:19 AM

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gotcha, i’ll check it out

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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so im not too used to it with just 2 dashes

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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u did a cast build right?

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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main delta beo sounds absolutely ridiculous at 50+, i dont understand how people do that

what’s the beo record rn?

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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51?

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i think retrash did 51

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Practice single-dash Hades.

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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retrash right?

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yeah

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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Yea 51

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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i was wondering if anyone had beaten it

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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yeah i prob should nyaanyaa

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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I'll beat it one day

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:20 AM

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its funny bc all my mirrorless runs got like 2 extra dashes and or hyper sprint

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so i havent actually done single dash hades

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Not to be a butthole but I am a better beo player than retrash. He's just a much better e erything else player than me

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:21 AM

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i want to keep pushing beo

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flood flare is invigorating

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:21 AM

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do you do ap2 at those heats?

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im kinda curious how you play beo w/ ap2

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or if you can

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:21 AM

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You dont

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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i think i'd just start AP2 and reset for flood flare tbh

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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ah ok

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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idk

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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lmao

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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Maybe he's a better everything-else-including-Beowulf player. squirtnya

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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wait what

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i don’t pay attention a couple weeks and now there’s a flood flare meta

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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mossy zinc Maybe he's a better everything-else-including-Beowulf player. <:squirtnya:472124...

You are entitled to your opinion

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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when did this happen

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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ohokwy theres been some breakthroughs

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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how does it work

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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flood flare is sooo sexy

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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i have so many questions

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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it just hits everything

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the aoe is absurd

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:22 AM

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flood flare + ez mirage + gigantic dummy thicc aoe

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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bright

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stream some runs with it now

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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LOL

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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so we can show them

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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ohh ez mirage ofc

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i can see that

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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I knew I shouldn't have hyped up flood flare before I did it

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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i gotta try this out

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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damn i never thought about that

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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also i think sea storm is huge

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since it applies to your strikes too

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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probably nuts with wave pounding?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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wave pounding makes up for the loss of boss damage yeah

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:23 AM

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theres a lot of poseidon boons that just stack with each other really well

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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does mirage shot boost sea storm damage?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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but you dont need wave pounding imo

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Wabe pounding and breaking wave are what you really want

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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nah but i think you get two strikes? i need to ask ello

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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wow i totally gotta try this out

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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yeah multiple strikes is what i meant

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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Wave pounding is nice to take the pressure off boss fights

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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yeah its really fun oho

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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that’d be neat

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:24 AM

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i havent done it at high heat yet but it was just really fun to use

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:25 AM

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i had a sub 4 tartarus on 50 heat with it

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maxed rooms too

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like JS3 DC2 CP2 i think

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still died in aspho 🤣

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:25 AM

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stygian or infernal?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:25 AM

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infernal

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:25 AM

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yeah it’s neat that it works with infernal as well

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less chaos reliant

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:26 AM

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You guys are gonna make me go beat you to beo arent you

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Eff it

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Someone got the link to max hellmode save file

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:26 AM

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bright might, but i’m not a real high heat player lol

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i threaten no one

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Bright is probably top 3 beo player

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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:^)

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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He absolutely could

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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youre trying to keep me from trying i see what youre doing

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sneaky

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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do it now bright

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go for it

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i'll be your cheerleader

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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same

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Aight I'm getting out of bed

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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LOL

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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Race to 52 beo

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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the race begins

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:27 AM

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i’ll cheerlead both y’all tbh

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Top 3 are bablo at 53, me at 52, and Retrash at 51. squirtnya

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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for beo?

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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wait Bablo did 53

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how did i never hear about this

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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😦 apparently sea storm only procs on the attack lmao

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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was it post 1.0 or no?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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not even on the cast

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ive been lied to

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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wait

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what???

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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Early Access.

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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not on the cast??

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:29 AM

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i think it's an F10

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yeah

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:30 AM

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early access seeded

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:30 AM

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ah

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makes sense; i didn’t pay much attention back then

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:30 AM

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makes sense i didnt hear about it, i didnt know hades existed back then

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:30 AM

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true fable 😦 apparently sea storm only procs on the attack lmao

noooooooo

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:30 AM

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and i believe it is the opinion of this channel that seeded and unseeded are separate categories 🙂

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:30 AM

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dreams crushed

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seeded and unseeded have been separate for a while

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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I one-shot the seed. squirtnya

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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dang thats a real bummer

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sea storm doodoo

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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We've only been separating since 1.0.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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might start taking breaking wave/wave pounding instead of sea storm

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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yeah that’s a while

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1.0 feels like an age ago lol

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:31 AM

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true fable might start taking breaking wave/wave pounding instead of sea storm

you should have been anyways imo

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:32 AM

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i think if you got 80/120 free damage per cast + jolted sea storm woulda been worth

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but thats not the case

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:32 AM

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is this actually a bug tho

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cause that’s super whack

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:32 AM

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It's only been four months.

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:33 AM

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basically an age

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:33 AM

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it’s been that long? jeez

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:33 AM

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anyway; if it isn’t a bug, it should be

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i demand zappy flood

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:33 AM

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Sea storm procs on call at least

main delta Dec 23, 2020, 7:34 AM

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i still find it weird that it procs on attack

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:34 AM

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how do i use this max hellmode save file

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:34 AM

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does anyone know the rough overall chance for patty to show up

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because i'm becoming hollow

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:35 AM

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Check speedrunning discord's speedtech

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:35 AM

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ello said its something to do with the amount of knockback

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like the cast doesnt knock them back a lot?

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idk

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:35 AM

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i'll just overwrite my super soaker practice file actually

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it'll be fine

edgy arrow Dec 23, 2020, 7:35 AM

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what? the cast absolutely knocks them back a bunch

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doesn’t it?

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:36 AM

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daring hedge does anyone know the rough overall chance for patty to show up

100% with this tech. https://clips.twitch.tv/KitschyFurryTireTTours

Twitch

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Watch DeliciousCrepes's clip titled "routing in real time"

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true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:36 AM

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idk im lost

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LOL

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i love that clip so much

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big strimmer luck moment

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see tail this is why you need to start strimming

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for the increased luck

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i didnt get my IGT beo PB until i started strimming

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:36 AM

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every time my run is looking kind of good, patty hides

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i hate it here

proud jay Dec 23, 2020, 7:37 AM

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daring hedge does anyone know the rough overall chance for patty to show up

About 31%

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:38 AM

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What's the chance of him showing up and not showing up next to the mid-shop? squirtooh

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:38 AM

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0% if off strim

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:38 AM

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true fable see tail this is why you need to start strimming

as soon as i start streaming you know patty is gonna show up immediately

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this is just how it works now

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Everybody knows you get the best RNG if you stream your first run of the day with no previous death shown.

static plover Dec 23, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Patty just wanna be on cam

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:40 AM

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Hollywood Patroclus.

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:40 AM

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daring hedge as soon as i start streaming you know patty is gonna show up immediately

exactly sir

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strimmer luck is real

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alright im gonna try some flood flare beo then

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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lets get it

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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what heat?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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50

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why not

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whats the worst that could happen

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i die?

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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oh nice

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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🤣

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:41 AM

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50?

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Tailesque is already like 10 Heat of you.

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Do 60.

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:42 AM

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counterpoint: bright don't do 60 it hurts so bad

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:42 AM

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counterpoint: bright do 60 it hurts so bad

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dusa

daring hedge Dec 23, 2020, 7:43 AM

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if only it could hurt so good 😔

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 7:43 AM

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i will update my strim title to take that into account

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live in #self-promotion if anyone wants to watch me die

gentle bridge Dec 23, 2020, 7:45 AM

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aight. good luck

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def beats watching max dood's hades run right now

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:50 AM

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TD3 is probably always taken for eris at high heat

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i assume at least

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it takes practice

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td3 is super rough

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 7:51 AM

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so first attempt miissed on flood flare 4 times

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so not a great start

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 7:59 AM

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probably cluster?

mossy zinc Dec 23, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Yup.

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 8:33 AM

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Heat 50 4 sack shadedisgruntled

sly remnant Dec 23, 2020, 8:35 AM

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Ah well

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Died in elysium

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Game was not very friendly after bouldy

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Thats good enough attempts for tonight

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 9:45 AM

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explosives decent w hestia idk about eris tho

fathom cloud Dec 23, 2020, 10:07 AM

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Delta Eris is good QoL IMO

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 10:49 AM

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It's meh

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Unless you get Rocket Bomb

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But by that point you'd want Aphrodite or Artemis for bigger damage numbers

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:05 AM

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What's the best fist for 32?

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Reversal Demeter or some ME build?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:06 AM

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DR is quite good

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ME is quite good

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zeus fists also good

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with arty special

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you could start arty special and take zeus/athena as they show up

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:06 AM

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Demeter Fists is the general good aspect

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Talos can also do fine work

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With Flood Shot

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

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Ah, I was thinking about Talos with Crush and parting

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

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blizz shot talos is a classic

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hard to get backstabs with talos cast

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since your usual setup is to special cancel> cast>attack

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

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It's actually not that hard

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:07 AM

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really?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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Special -> Cancel into a dash

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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i guess you just have to not immediately yeet the casts

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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And you can get behind enemies

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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yeah thats what i do it just only frontstabs lol

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talos athena cast parting shot is also good

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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I was thinking special to pull them, then dash behind

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:08 AM

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and gets athena in your pool early

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could be asking a lot from athena if you want attack/dash/DDs though

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:09 AM

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Idea was attack and hopefully dash Athena

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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thats a fine plan

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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https://gyazo.com/9f992ab37ef4dd87d189100281c3b075

Gyazo

▶ Play video

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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go for it

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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Replace the attacks with a cast and you are good

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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huh

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neat

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yo

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hades3234

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the madman purposely took explosive shot

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LMAO

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:11 AM

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noice

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It's actually great damage

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But the reduced range is ... dangerous for high heat

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Also hilarious with Triple shot

north dove Dec 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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Explosive just means you never go for power shots

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:13 AM

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^

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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how long would that take

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like 3 seconds?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:14 AM

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... if it was that short it'd be an instant-pick LOL

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It's like twice that

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Probably more like 4 or 5 seconds, not sure

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Dash attacks are still decently fast

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Either way, long enough to get you hit in the face with FO2

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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@honest kernel did you just screen record your own screen recording?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:15 AM

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Yup

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The new meta

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:16 AM

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technology at its finest

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:16 AM

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But I didn't want my desktop to show up

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soooo

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:16 AM

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ah i see

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btw any progress with 58 heat?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Done by Tailesque

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on Rama

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He's on the 60 heat grind

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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i mean you

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with zeus

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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I'm on 59 myself, took a bit of a break

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after like 10+ attempts that got to Styx just gone due to the timer

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Or to phase 3

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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ouch

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how doable is it?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:17 AM

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Very

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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well then

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gl

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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As long as nerves and the timer don't fail me

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I should be able to do it

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I can like get to Styx 30%+ of the time

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Without using Accorn

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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and after that its just a 2sack dream?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:18 AM

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With enough damage/good enough room rng, even a 3-sack is doable

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Had a run like that, but uh 4 sack happened LOL

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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well, better luck next time

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hope to see you on the top of the leaderboards soon!

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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That or I get ninja'ed by Retrash or Tailesque

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:19 AM

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very possible

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re is the nemesis runner right?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

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Yeah

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He did 57 heat just recently

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:20 AM

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yeah i was there for that

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very cool

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it was just as i was asking about best sword aspect for high heat

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lol

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Well ... it's high heat sword

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Only Retrash dared to even touch it

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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the madman

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:21 AM

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But Nemesis is still likely the best, even without his sudden tries

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That or Poseidon

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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idk how it even works, no defense or range to save you

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really poseidon?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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At that heat level, Damage is also a concern

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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i thought that had the lowest heat record of any aspect in the game?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:22 AM

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It's also because lol why play sword at that point

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For a good while, Zag sword was the highest

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And that's also because of Retrash

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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i gotta watch a few of his vids, idk how thats possible

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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baj has nerves of steel

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yeah watch retrash

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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Until I get to EM4

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lmao

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:23 AM

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he just has the EM4 fight down better than anyone aside from maybe tail

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Getting there slowly myself

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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yeah not to diss you

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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Just need to not get urn'ed/fast stabb'ed

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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EM4 is a really well designed fight, always makes it feel like you life is on the line

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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his zag sword fight was insane

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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even when you are not seconds away from a world record

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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I should watch that

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Honestly

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:24 AM

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yeah you never feel too safe vs EM4

#

i definitely stole some of the rhythms for dodges from that vod

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:25 AM

#

I might have also learned block patterns on my own

#

In fact, It's similar to how I do non-EM4 Hades

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Can do what I did in my 57 heat clear without Sudden Rush

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

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yeah i cant do EM4 without my big serving platta

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to hide behind

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:26 AM

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With that being said

#

I also did a few EM4 fights with other weapons

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Zag bow, notably

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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i need to use a non shield for EM4

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Altho I didn't win them, I still did fine

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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thats fair

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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AKA got to phase 3

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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yeah i mean

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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btw do you think 63-64 heat will ever be beaten?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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i think you have to be somewhat decent at EM4 to push 50+

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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Someday

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Probably not now

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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true fable i think you have to be somewhat decent at EM4 to push 50+

Depends on how willing you are to run AP/RI

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But it's one of the options

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:27 AM

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well not now obv, i just wonder if its really humanly possible

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

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thats fair i just think at some point you run out of heat

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:28 AM

#

50 heat is the point where AP/RI/EM4 are something you need to take

#

Actually did a big analysis on that, in the Speedrunning Discord, when Jerds asked why Hellmode wasn't a straight advantage

#

TL;DR is that CP1 and JS1 being locked in means that at high heat, it can be a detriment or optimal to go for Hellmode

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Depending on what you want to take

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for 50+

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:30 AM

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so in other words, its just like every other modifier?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:30 AM

#

If it was just that, Hellmode would be straight up better, because it's 1 heat you can take away from something else, for 50 heat speedruns

#

But CP1 and JS1 being locked in could be a bad thing for some weapons

#

Or also good, if you want to say run AP2, or EM4, or RI

#

Or avoid them, and instead take the CP1/JS1

#

It's moreso a choice you make with the whole pact in mind, instead of "Oh PL is just 1 free heat"

#

Beowulf is a weapon that comes to mind that can get away with EM4, for instance.

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And that's 4 heat off of something else

#

So the optimal pact for that might not want Hellmode

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:33 AM

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do you think CP should be nerfed a bit? it just seems like everyone avoids it at all levels, which implies that its not exactly balanced

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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well

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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Heat increase, or 10+%

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Pretty much anyone here turns it off if they can

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

#

everyone avoids that, EM4, TD3, AP, and RI

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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y'know that could be really taken out of context now that I look at my last message

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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its about which things the last thing to break

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:34 AM

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thats true

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

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TD3 means you can die to Room RNG with other modifiers on, EM4 is insanely hard and doesn't pair well with anything that slows the time down. AP and RI limit how well you can scale

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

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it just seems to fit in so nicely with the other % increases, but its really so much worse

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

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At some point, you need to take modifiers that slow the run down

#

And that point ? 50 heat

#

Could even argue for 45

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:35 AM

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yeah thats true

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

#

CP is just the less heat efficient one

#

Because it makes the Heroes and Hades take way longer than they should

#

Same for Styx rooms, and Elysium to an extent

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:36 AM

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i realized

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i need to upload vods for other weapons

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i have 4 beowulf vods

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and nothing else

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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I just need to record my runs in general

#

I've done spicy speedrun stuff lately lmao

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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do it

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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i wonder if its ever viable to take off TD3 and add in all the other ones that slow down your run

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

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i wanna watch zeus now

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

#

next marsh i wonder if its ever viable to take off TD3 and add in all the other ones that s...

this is the fabled retrash strat

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:37 AM

#

really

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:38 AM

#

next marsh i wonder if its ever viable to take off TD3 and add in all the other ones that s...

That's what Retrash popularized

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Worked well for him

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:38 AM

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TD2 means you never have to think about timing out

#

almost never

#

and you can take boons over midshop

#

you can take troves

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dont mash

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LOL

#

but seriously

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:38 AM

#

Mashing in boss fights is the last thing you want. FO2 boss fights are something that'll need some practise

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If you need to, turn off HL all the way down, and just play the fights to learn the patterns

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

#

Fist 32 you always take DC2 right

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

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With Zeus attack start, yeah

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

#

figure out whether

you have enough damage to not care about taking damage
whether you have enough health to not care about taking damage

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

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With Athena?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

#

either way you should probably try to avoid taking damage

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

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At 32 ? Sure

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

#

Can I have an optimal heat for say demeter

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Or talos

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

#

wym

#

oh optimal pact?

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:39 AM

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Yes

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

#

im annoying so i would just do the speedrun pact lmfao

#

um

#

EM3 probably is fine

#

JS1-2 + DC2 + TD3 feels doable

#

FO1 or 2

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

#

Do you run Stubborn Defiance

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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BP2 + MM are staples for me at this point

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Or Death Defiances

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:40 AM

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Oh without TD3

#

I prefer dds

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:41 AM

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LC1 should be fine

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CF1 is maybe ok

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and UC

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

#

If you are fine with FO2

#

You can do this https://gyazo.com/18e61f9aa885f250b961c5b0b103c223

Gyazo

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

#

yeah i am comfortable with almost any pact (obv not all at once), but BP is one that I have been avoiding, because i dont understand it super well

#

it seems too easy to RNG into something unfamiliar that can kill me very quickly

vital grove Dec 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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Oh, JS3

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Hmm

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:42 AM

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With Tight Deadline 2

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It's fine

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:43 AM

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yeah that looks ok

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if you dont like JS3 just run HL3 CF1 JS2 maybe

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:44 AM

#

If anything, with SDs you can do something like this : https://gyazo.com/f66a9f1ad6cb9065cd9a0b9223a82f43

Gyazo

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Notice the FO1 instead

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:44 AM

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LOL

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if you add my 32 and anyheat IGT PBs

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they're still less than my 50 heat clear

#

heat is linear btw

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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did you do 50 heat recently bright?

#

or I misremembered your highest heat

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Apparently he did

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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i did 50 beo today

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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on Beo

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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nice, good job man

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

#

ty

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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victory screen?

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or just DM me either way

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Oh yeah haven't said it yet

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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cutting vod rn

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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Big props bright

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:45 AM

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felt cute might delete later

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i'll post it or smth

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:48 AM

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damn super doubling down on poseidon boons

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how many boons did you get from broseidon man

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:48 AM

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a few

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probably at least 4

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:49 AM

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ah and basically you high rolled for snow burst so you can take DC2

#

great stuff

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:49 AM

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i didnt even high roll snow burst

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it just kind of happened

#

DC2 disappears with flood flare

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trust

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:49 AM

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^

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I can attest to that

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:49 AM

#

how?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:49 AM

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snow burst was better for maintaining killing freeze tbh

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body slams

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n wall slams

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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rain sedge how?

Dask Attack -> Bullrush on the first enemy takes care of it's DCs, the Aoe Cast and slams nukes it and hits whatever other enemy in the general area

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:50 AM

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true true

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 11:54 AM

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did tail complete a 59?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:54 AM

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No

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Going straight for 60 and trying to complete the clear with CP2

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Instead of 59 and CP1

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He basically maxed everything but RI, which is set to 2

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in Hellmode

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 AM

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think hes gonna hold onto the victory screen for a while just to barrel roll one of yas after 59 heat

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 AM

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^

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 AM

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do you think he just has a bunch of victory screens ready

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 AM

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How's that going for him?

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 AM

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oh god thats horrifying

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:55 AM

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For what he's shown so far

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He has a bunch of failed attempts on EM4 hades itself

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So basically the same progress as me, on 59

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:56 AM

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lol baj

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when my run gets verified

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you'll be squished between two beo runs

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 11:57 AM

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For what specifically

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The spreadsheet ?

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Or what

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Oh, the speedrun.com leaderboards

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lmao

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 11:57 AM

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bright

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can I ask

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where do you live in the US?

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some of your slangs I never heard before

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 11:58 AM

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cali

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specifically socal

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grew up in upstate NY though

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so my slang is probably just a weird hodgepodge

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:00 PM

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I swear all of my coworkers live in california and none of them use these slangs

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maybe at work they try to be professional

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:01 PM

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im one of a kind i guess

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wow pfp switches are jarring

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:02 PM

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avatar change 👀

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wait let me guess this one

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I think I have seen this

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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oh boy

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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ok it's one of the JRPG games

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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F

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it's over

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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I think.... gonna go with dragon quest

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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DOA

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LOL

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:03 PM

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pepehands

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isn't DOA that game where... it's all girls?

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lemme google

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

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i meant dead on arrival

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as in your guess was never landing home

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:04 PM

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oh

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:05 PM

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schad can you stream

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i want to ruin my sleep further

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:07 PM

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I'm at "work"

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also I might not stream until I get used to the setup

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dying at 32 with my best weapon feels kinda embarassing

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:08 PM

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meh

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youre trying to go fast

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i died on fists at 6 heat today

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🤣

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:08 PM

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🤔

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it's also the whole dash and movement in the same hand thing

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like

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it makes the muscle confused

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but if I put it on the right hand it'll be harder I think

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:09 PM

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yeah it will

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seems hard to coordinate

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wow

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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Watching the korean hades player play

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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yeah

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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He does 50 heat Eris

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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his aim is impeccable

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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He's going for Scintillating Feast

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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lmao

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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By picking Dio's keepsake in Asphodel

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:10 PM

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LOL

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:11 PM

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Got lightning Rod instead

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Somehow

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This game lmao

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:12 PM

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HE POMMED THE CAST

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INSTEAD OF THE ROCKET SPECIAL??

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:12 PM

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With Rocket bomb

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Ok this is just mega-wack

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Granted, he has a bonus cast stone and Dio cast

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but still

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:13 PM

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i thought he was going to ice wine it

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:13 PM

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He wants something to sell

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And Snow burst still good

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He said he wanted Scintillating Feast first

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Should I ask for him to play Zeus shield ?

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lmao

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:15 PM

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what is going on lol

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yeah do it

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does he know it's you

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:15 PM

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He said if he we want to see an aspect, he'll be up for it

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I haven't typed in his chat yet

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:16 PM

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eris 👀 e

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:16 PM

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So for all he knows, I'm not here

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:16 PM

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I have 14 mins until my next meeting, imma join

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ruh roh

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Oh no

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Skelly Tooth popped already

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:17 PM

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he doesnt even have jolted

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:17 PM

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He literally forced dio in Asphodel

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lmao

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:17 PM

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he's gonna run out of time right? what chamber is this

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:17 PM

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honest kernel He literally forced dio in Asphodel

wtf

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maybe my brain is too small

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but

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what

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:18 PM

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He said he wanted the dio

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:18 PM

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HE REROLLED THE JOLTED

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:18 PM

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the duo

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:18 PM

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oh wtf he got the duo

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:18 PM

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He wanted it since Asphodel lmao

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:18 PM

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lucky boons tho

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:19 PM

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Honestly

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:19 PM

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this guy doesnt use aim help?

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and attack on cursor?

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wtf

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:19 PM

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The fact that he pomm'ed the cast instead of the special is big brain

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Because Eris' damage boost is additive too

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Might as well mega-boost the base damage of the cast

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:19 PM

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yea the dio cast pom is value

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invite him to the discord

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:20 PM

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i would but im not sure if he would join

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:20 PM

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^

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:20 PM

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tell him tail hangs out here

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he would join

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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lmao

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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unironically

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??????"?

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IS THAT

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flurry cast over hyper sprint????

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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Blessed by room RNG

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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LOL

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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did I forgot the icon but

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I couldve sworn

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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hes just doing a showcase lol

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:21 PM

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that was hyper sprint

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bruh what

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Hyper sprint at this point is whatever, with an extra dash

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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baj i hate to rub it in

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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Meanwhile Flurry Cast with Trippy Shot is 👀

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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but hes so good at his megs

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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I don't even miss that one anymore

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Please

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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LOL

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o boi

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:22 PM

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is there any priority on which enemy meg hits

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:23 PM

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The closest one, maybe ?

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:23 PM

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cus sometimes at dad she just hits the adds

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:23 PM

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Not sure on that

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And actually a good question

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:23 PM

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i havent seen any strat as reliable as his for dodging the charge

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that ones pretty good

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the pillar juke

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:23 PM

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so bright

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where's your avatar from

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also invite him to discord we like him

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:24 PM

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baj?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:24 PM

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I just block it and bullrush through it lol

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:24 PM

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you know right

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i'll ask him

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:24 PM

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And use the special in a way that actually hits the bull while he's going towards me

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:25 PM

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b a j lol

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:26 PM

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I actually like that pronunciation a lot

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Not joking

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:26 PM

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o k b a j

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thats a weirdchamp meg

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:27 PM

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For simplicity's sake, I like the 1 syllable pronunciation better tho

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:27 PM

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him using the special to speed buff is actually genius

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auto aim off 🧠

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:27 PM

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HE'S COMING

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pogchamp

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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this guys boonless 51 with hestia was sick

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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If he actually comes, that'd be pretty nice

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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hey

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are you the dude who did 52 hestia today?

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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yeah

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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pog

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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pogU

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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👀

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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gz

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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ty

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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how was it?

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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I did 51 and 52 today

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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crepes sweating right now

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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shackle i'm assuming?

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:28 PM

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yeah shackle

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:29 PM

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Sounds about the meta for Hestia, to be honest

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:29 PM

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nothin special with either run just Pat and 2 sac

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:29 PM

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For high heat, that's a highroll

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And pretty much needed for most runs lol

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:29 PM

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yeah lol

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I had a sick run with a 3 sac but no time

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had triple bomb, the slow thing and 140% chill on special

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whats the slow cap?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Without Killing Freeze, since it's 4 % per stack, you get to 40 % with chill alone

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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good question, idk if it's multiplicative or additive

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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how would you even measure that

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frame data?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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^

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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because then you can get 70% with the... uhhh

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abyssal blood?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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Not everything that slows affect animations either

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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the one that slows enemy with cast

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:30 PM

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I was trying out the cast mirror aspect that slows

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Abyssal Blood, Numbing Sensation

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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abyssal only slows movement though

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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instead of the 50% damage

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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if we're to believe bablo

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which i do

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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and its insane for hestia atleast for consistency

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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not attack speed/animation speed

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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I could see it

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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ok I go work

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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DR is big

rain sedge Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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cya all

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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bright u did the 57 with sword right

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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yeah i can see it too

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nah thats retrash lmfao

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Retrash did

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Bright's a Beo player

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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i'll take credit though

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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that run was nuts

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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Great speedrunner for any heat, and also did 50 heat recently

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:31 PM

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i am sadly now only hardstuck 50 heat

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:32 PM

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50 was harder than 52 cuz I had 30% hp on for no reason

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lol

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:32 PM

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want to do some more hestia when i think my pinky can handle it

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 12:32 PM

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wait roblox you tried abyssal w/ hestia?

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how'd you use it

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just on bosses?

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:32 PM

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^ sounds about right

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And how I use casts in speedrun

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Not worth using in rooms

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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agreed

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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Unless it's like a BP2 armor enemy or something

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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so it was worth the slowing on bosses? thats actually interesting now that i think abt it

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since i get owned by a boss usually lol

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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For Hestia, that actually sounds ... optimal

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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im always impressed by how he uses every bit of a weapon

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:33 PM

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Since you get that weird mid-range where you are barely out of the "Trigger" for Hades' attacks

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And Asterius', to an extent

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:34 PM

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like eris cast damage is very significant

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but its not soemthing i recall seeing other people doing

shy gulch Dec 23, 2020, 12:34 PM

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yeah exactly baj

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im def gonna try it tomorrow

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:34 PM

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I'm pretty sure if you space EM4 hades too much... he'll literally just spear throw over and over

#

I dunno how confident you guys are on dodging that, but... I basically prefer him spinning

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:34 PM

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He throws a spear after 2 quick swings, if I recall

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It's actually consistent to guess when he'll throw it, if you play the fight enough

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:35 PM

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Well... if he was slowed as much as you guys were talking about... he probably won't even do the other attacks

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:35 PM

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baj

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you re getting ur wish

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:35 PM

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lmao

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He plays Achilles a bunch too ?

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👀

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:36 PM

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and guan yu lol

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:36 PM

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Astaos about to become a fan real quick

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:37 PM

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i wonder if tailesque will get 50 heat all aspects or hades3234 will first

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will tailesque finally get barrel rolled

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pog

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:37 PM

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That would be quite the uno reverse card pull

true fable Dec 23, 2020, 12:37 PM

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ok my brain isnt working anymore

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good night

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:37 PM

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Take care

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:38 PM

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It's ... a bit annoying actually watching Hades play because kbm is actually optimal on most of the ranged weapons...
And I don't have the muscle memory built... only on pad

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shadedisgruntled

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Depends on your definition of "optimal"

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Because it sure as hell isn't as common as controller

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:39 PM

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Yeah, I suspect it's much harder to learn/play

#

The setup is so janky... with q for specials

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Used to play with that for a solid while

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I guess it could be ok if you have mouse buttons... but I'm just using a default mouse

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Switched to right click on the mouse a while ago

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Q on cast instead

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Yeah, having your reload on a mouse button would be nice as well most likely.. if you play Hestia

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:40 PM

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I could see it

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I just use R

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I don't have mouse buttons either

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Or remapable ones

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:41 PM

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And by "optimal" I mean... you can actually turn off auto aim and hit stuff at max distances with ranged weapons

warm osprey Dec 23, 2020, 12:41 PM

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The korean dude is mad good

next marsh Dec 23, 2020, 12:41 PM

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yeah i find it easier to rebind to mouse buttons too

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:41 PM

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And cloner rooms are ... SUPER obnoxious

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on pad + auto aim, you have to get in there and kill the cloner

honest kernel Dec 23, 2020, 12:41 PM

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Will i become good if i switch from default controls bigthink

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Probably

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Depends on if you feel the need for it or not

unreal pasture Dec 23, 2020, 12:42 PM

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Eh... it's a process... you have to build muscle memory...