h1-high-heat-strategies

[sly remnant]

you'll get there again

[spice whale]

[north dove]

My damage felt really bad for aome reason

[spice whale]

I feel ya

[unreal pasture]

Skull Earring is an interesting keep sake to see

[sly remnant]

its damage

[shy gulch]

its pretty good with stubborn defiance

[unreal pasture]

Yea. I think it should be slightly better than it is... but I get it

[sly remnant]

there are very few keepsakes in this game that increase damage (unfortunately)

[unreal pasture]

I dunno, maybe like 45-50% when it's up? ... since you have to kind of always be damaged for it to be a thing

What is its % again? 20-25-30?

[north dove]

skull earring is 40% dmg

[shy gulch]

40% more damage at 35% health or lower

i believe

[unreal pasture]

Ah. And yeah, it's nice they fixed it to work at the stubborn defiance threshhold

[shy gulch]

yeah i like that a lot

[unreal pasture]

I haven't messed with it enough to get a feel for it though

[dire steppe]

is that global dmg

[shy gulch]

yes

[dire steppe]

nice

[shy gulch]

yeah its pretty solid

[unreal pasture]

aaaaah, have to sell my jolted to escape tartarus

[somber leaf]

... Charon ends all my SD runs if I get him early haha

I guess I shouldn't try him

but he's so tantalizing

[unreal pasture]

At heroes with 30s on TD with an Athena DD

I got trolled by a replace boon again

[somber leaf]

omfg

I just killed Asterius as he started his charge, his shield went up... and then he chased me around a bit and killed me

WHAT!?

[edgy arrow]

yeah if you kill asterius during a charge he finishes it before the fight ends

kinda annoying

[daring hedge]

i've been killed that way recently lol

[honest kernel]

4-sack’ed again

Heck

Had enough damage for a 3-sack even

Game said nope, your precious sack is in another castle

[long bolt]

so im new to hades lol and idk how to beat the first boss

||i've gotten to meg like 5 times and got closer and closer each time but idk so i was wondering if anyone has a strat that works cuz mine is just spamming spacebar w aphrodites boon and left clicking LMAO||

[tidal flame]

Hey there, happy to help. Though this is a better question for #h1-for-new-players. People discuss late game contents here almost exclusively so there will surely be spoilers and the advice here might not be entirely applicable to new players.

[long bolt]

ohh ok ty lol

[shy gulch]

ok 47 heat mirrorless is looking a bit too hard lmao

might try to just tone it down or quit with my 40 heat

[shy gulch]

nvm got decently far

[honest kernel]

More failed attempts due to timeouts

Game's teasing me hard

https://gyazo.com/c413f39ca3e5b251ffd0502dcb81ba1e Also this happened

[shy gulch]

god yeah that blows

[honest kernel]

Guess I gotta keep the grind until I get a decent room RNG

And that I still live the process

[true fable]

oof

that sucks

i was trying some 50 heat chaos

very unsuccessful today

[honest kernel]

Feels like at this rate, Tailesque or Retrash will get 61 heat before I get my 59 lol

[true fable]

like wildly unsuccessful

got jolted once and threw very hard by not dying chamber 12 with 3 HP

[honest kernel]

^ Happened to me a few times as well

"Eh, I'll be fine"

Linker Speeder Waveraisers spawn

[true fable]

narrator: it was not fine

i just got beybladed by alecto

very sad but it happens

[honest kernel]

yeah

I'd play more but a 5 hour session late in the night is plenty for me lmao

[true fable]

yeah that's kind of how i feel

also new breakthrough flood flare beowulf? very exciting

[honest kernel]

I heard about that, yeah

Actually sounds dope lol

[true fable]

ive been doing some anyheat with it but it seems like a good solution to DC hearts

[shy gulch]

whats that about flood flare beowulf?

[true fable]

splash good

[shy gulch]

understandable

[true fable]

TY

[honest kernel]

Early Mirage Shot also good

[shy gulch]

thats true

[honest kernel]

Wave Pounding and Breaking Wave good

Razor Shoals too

[shy gulch]

any vids of some1 using it?

[honest kernel]

Haven't seen one yet

[true fable]

i have some anyheat vods on my channel

not sure if those are of any interest to a high heat player but it's a fun build

you basically just go for mirage shot and sea storm instead of mirage shot and scint feast

[shy gulch]

i like watching any heat

not too much interest in playing it myself tho

is ur channel bright01?

[true fable]

indeed

let me know if you want to find the flood flare timestamps so you dont have to comb through 7 hours of random crap

[shy gulch]

i found a vid u have of beowulf anyheat by itself

oh on youtube

[true fable]

ah i meant on twitch lol

[shy gulch]

searching bright01 got ur channel up since u have that in ur description

well it worked out lmao

[true fable]

but yeah long story short splash good

[rain sedge]

high heat.jpg

[rain sedge]

also this is 3% chance of happening lol

GL baj :3

[honest kernel]

I frickin' died that run lol

[rain sedge]

I mean, you got this, no?

you're being more consistent, so are we saying now that as long as you get patty and 2 sac you're good to go?

[honest kernel]

Got that a few times

Phase 3 happened

And kills me

[rain sedge]

hmmm

might benefit from a practice save?

[honest kernel]

Already have one

[rain sedge]

and just practice the dad fight at 59 for a bit?

cool2

[honest kernel]

Doubts are still rising

[rain sedge]

sounds to me you'll get it with a few more days tbh

this weekend is the one

[honest kernel]

For now I'm just chilling

[gaunt fiber]

Chilling is part of training

[rain sedge]

is armored mob room (skull, but not the miniboss) faster than normal enemy room ?

[vital grove]

Hey tips for a sword 32?

Still missing that one

Might be my least played weapon

[shy gulch]

i think i used arthur for my 32 heat sword run

just slapped aphro attack and went to town with health and damage resists lol

[rain sedge]

arthur 32 with damage reduction strat is.... kinda free?

but poseidon is probably the easiest one

just do something like flood shot into mirage shot and exit wounds

[shy gulch]

i like arthur because seeing big health number makes me happy

[vital grove]

What kind of heat did you use

I mean setup

I assume no Fo?

[shy gulch]

give me a sec to pull it back up

[honest kernel]

agree on poseidon, play sword without playing sword

[vital grove]

That was my Achilles logic

Except it's also not shabby as a stab stick

[shy gulch]

oh i actually did end up using poseidon not arthur

my memory is bad

[vital grove]

Crush or flood tho

[shy gulch]

neither

zeus LOL

[vital grove]

Oh that worked?

[rain sedge]

no, flood shot definitely for poseidon

[shy gulch]

it worked for me

i got zeus call too so that helped

[rain sedge]

the difference is that for zeus cast, it doesn't lodge on enemies most of the time

[shy gulch]

ohhhh i got smoldering air

[rain sedge]

and that's good for achilles

[shy gulch]

that mightve been it

[rain sedge]

but with poseidon cast, it lodge in enemy - and poseidon sword you can dislodge with special

and with exit wounds that's a lot of DPS increase

[shy gulch]

zeus is still rly nice for clearing out rooms quickly but yeah it doesnt quite compare to poseidon cast

on poseidon

[rain sedge]

poseidon has aoe too

[shy gulch]

anyw if u still want to know the heat setup

i had uh

HL1, LC4, EM3, BP2, MM, UC, FO2, TD3

[rain sedge]

so poseidon cast -> artemis core to proc mirage shot -> exit wounds -> fully loaded

and you're good to go

and more chaos boons

it's pretty easy

[shy gulch]

that might be harder than it should

actually

[rain sedge]

fish for greater recall from hermes if you want but that's not necessary

[vital grove]

I don't like TD3

[rain sedge]

nah that's as good as it gets, maybe FO1 HL4 but that's good

[shy gulch]

TD3 is indeed rough

[vital grove]

AP1?

[shy gulch]

ehhh

i wouldnt do ap1 for 32 heat

id rather just like

up the hard labor

or a CF

i didnt do any CF that run, so u can p easily drop one in there

[vital grove]

Lc4 is a pain too

[shy gulch]

and then maybe 2 in HL and call it a day

idk i feel like its either LC0 or LC4 lmao

i dont ever use 1-3

[vital grove]

Mm

[shy gulch]

if you want to use regular DDs instead of SDs you still can at 32 heat but its not going to be easy

i personally found it easier to just start going full LC and using stubborn

[true fable]

hades3234 uses golden touch

[gaunt fiber]

golden touch CF maxed?

[true fable]

no

i think he's doing some 32 heat runs rn

[gaunt fiber]

I can see why then

Could work

But I'd rather go for early boons than pure gold value

not that it matters at 32 anyway

[true fable]

he watches our vods lol

[gaunt fiber]

Not surprising, you're a talented streamer

[true fable]

:^)

cant tell if this is an astaos weirdchamp or an astaos widepeepohappy

[gaunt fiber]

I never use irony for compliments, would be too cruel

Except for Nyaanyaa sometimes

She deserves it

[true fable]

ok it is 4am

i schleep

[shy gulch]

oh god it’s already 6am here

[gaunt fiber]

ok so you're -9

[true fable]

LOL

[shy gulch]

and I’m awake

pain

[true fable]

pain

[gaunt fiber]

Night boyos

[shy gulch]

Night

[clever otter]

well i finally got 32 heat, but i caved and cheated a bit and redid the hades fight a couple of times until i got it. at least i have that statue now, im definitely not going to go any higher than that in the future, way too stressful

[gaunt fiber]

Congratulations!

It's stressfull at first

Then you can't live without it

[shy gulch]

nice job! congrats

[true fable]

nice job alma!

[rain sedge]

nice job

you can redo fights? o.O

heroic greater evasion oh lord

[clever otter]

with a bit of messing around with saves on pc you can, im assuming its how people practice certain fights

also yeah, it was good luck with hermes and eurydice. that and the dodge chance from the fists helped a lot

[mossy zinc]

[gaunt fiber]

For known reasons 👼

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, we put our temp save from a fight into the permanent save slot of any profile. Then just hit Give Up to redo the fight on win or loss.

[spice whale]

FINALLY fufilled the last of the pact!

And now that I've claimed my reward from that prophecy, I can do whatever I want now.

I absolutely hate Routine Inspection. x.x

[gaunt fiber]

You should start with some RI4

It builds up sanity

and you end up like me

[spice whale]

I used RI1 and got a W with Guan Yu

[gaunt fiber]

Your path is the right one

[spice whale]

I think I've found my calling with that spear, tbh

[gaunt fiber]

oh

That's very good news

[mossy zinc]

You should try something like this. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/787460139220336680/Hades_1240.png?width=772&height=434

[gentle bridge]

god, thats like the diogenes challenge but more sadistic

[unreal pasture]

I want to see a Serrated Point tempest strike second wave meme

that sounds glorious

It's pretty funny to have Tempest Flourish on Demeter...
Hades flies like an inch on the 5 hit

[fathom cloud]

Ugh choked on 32 Nem at Hades. Somehow I find Nem a lot easier than Arthur, where I just get rekt mid-swing by a whole bunch of stuff

[gentle bridge]

arthur suddenly becomes super hard at higher heats imo, esp when you start adding forced overtime

[rain sedge]

is... is that... tempest strike GY with LC4 RI4, and only spin hammers?

this might be your best creation yet

[mossy zinc]

It is.

[rain sedge]

have you tried the hardest 32 pact setup yet nya?

I forgot what it is exactly, but I think it's LC4 RI4 EM4 with some FO there

[mossy zinc]

I don't like or really want to do EM4.

I can think of a hundred other things in the game that are more fun.

[rain sedge]

but think of the trolling payout!

[mossy zinc]

Like RI4 50 Heat maybe. That's more fun.

[rain sedge]

tbh I'd also pay good money to see that

[vital grove]

I'll do it for good money. If I don't have to win. Lol

[sly remnant]

Fwiw regarding flood flare beo I'm certain its the correct way to play beo at high heat. I've had some very close attempts at 56 with the build. I havent really sat down to grind it out but I'm off the next 2 weeks amd thats going to be my goal

Its also very hard to play. Its definitely the beo. I'd try it out at any, 32, and 40 to get the hang of it

[rain sedge]

At 56??

Don't flood flare just pushes enemy away before the subsequent casts hit?

Are you just fishing for rupture, wave pounding, and mirage shot?

[sly remnant]

Yea thats the general build. Snow burst and seaastorm good too. And the follow up flares normally hit the knockback is pretty low on flood flate

*flare

I was zooming at 52 heat but while doing it I realized I could put the beo throne pretty far out of reach with RI2

Honestly the biggest loss is dark foresight in consistency but.....the thing about RI1 is

just roll it anyways 4Head

[rain sedge]

Damn, everyone is pushing heat

I was trying 56 Eris but I think kbm become mandatory at that heat

Very close to buying the pc version, it's £10 off

[waxen relic]

just do it

[rain sedge]

https://c.tenor.com/bXAKEBgc_D0AAAAM/do-it-what-are-you-waiting-for.gif

[sly remnant]

to be clear....dio beo is still faster. you just have way less attempts to make it out of tartarus

you also need less boons so AP1, UC, and CF2 hurt you way less

i'm terrified that if bright ever gets on the heat beo throne grind he'll beat me.

[upbeat wyvern]

Completed my first 32 heat run today, felt good! rama aspect with zeus on special, I know it's a bit broken but whatever

[rain sedge]

Cool job!

Don't think it's broken, IIRC there's an internal cooldown on the Zeus special hit so you can only hit the bolt once per special?

Rama isn't the easiest on 32

[mossy zinc]

Rama 32 is pretty free, though.

Good job!

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/oLiD1ge

[upbeat wyvern]

Thanks! I also heard about the cooldown. It's comfy because it shoots very fast, hit several enemies. I tried with the railgun and the gloves, but it was too hard. I guess it also depends on the PP chosen? I wanted to avoid the damage increase one, so I had to take TD2, DC2, BP2. DC2 combined with BP2 is a terrible matchup against Hestia! I learnt it the hard way. Not so much against bosses, but against armored mobs it was terrible

[gaunt fiber]

there is a "2"

[upbeat wyvern]

thanks!

[gaunt fiber]

Idk what that numbers refers to

[mossy zinc]

Got another sub 12. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/790257614663450664/Hades_1260.png?width=772&height=434

And a Hades Aspect almost sub 12 but Tiny Vermin and 4-sack into just throw the run getting hit by every spin because who cares anymore.

[upbeat wyvern]

I understand the pain lol. The run before my winning 32 heat, I had a 5 room sack, so I reached hades with 55 seconds left. Didn't go well at all

[mossy zinc]

Eh it's okay, it's my own fault for being so slow in the first place. 4 sack sub 12 should be doable.

@daring hedge right?

[rain sedge]

don't be mean, it's not even top 5 free-est weapons at 32

we have a dedicated meanness-punching-bag and golgoth is not it

[dire steppe]

what’s freest 32, eris zeus + all fist (except gilg)?

[rain sedge]

eris by far

you can play blindfolded

[mossy zinc]

I think it's def top 5, though.

Rama > Eris.

[sly remnant]

the ceiling on rama is higher

but in terms of execution

its def eris

rama is a hard weapon

and hammer reliant

[dire steppe]

baj shield is the easiest 32 imo

take ap1 take thunder flourish start and don’t die

works with lv1

[sly remnant]

baj shield hard to play tho

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/ehnYLKx

pogbuild

3 GY 40 in a row

Charged skewer was definitely not the hammer I was looking for

[sly remnant]

nice!

[dire steppe]

baj says his least favorite hammer is dashing wallop but i actually take it often so clearly I don't know how to baj shield

[gaunt fiber]

It was a massive spin start

I almost died in Asphodel against dracons

[sly remnant]

bp2 dracons are top 5 most hated enemy

[gaunt fiber]

yep

that + blurry rooms

just divine dashing until they're dead basically

[lusty mirage]

astaos resqtoaster on an interesting GY run with icewine

[vital grove]

I lost a few times with Poseidon so I switched to Achilles 32,first try

It's funny all my 32 runs I did first try with the weapon, but sword eludes me

Guess I'll try some stupid tidal dash Smoldering build maybe that'll work

[true fable]

that + second wind usually does the trick for me

[rain sedge]

excuse me, I came back to this heresy

are you saying that for 32, rama is easier than eris? or better? or faster?

because you'd be wrong, and I can even race tail the rama god on a 32 and be super confident I'll win given the same sac number

[gaunt fiber]

[compact shoal]

how do you build rama

[rain sedge]

do you have a "fight me" emote for me astaos?

[gaunt fiber]

hm

this suits you

[rain sedge]

well, I'd put on my catgirl suit to fight nya on this for the sake of even footing then

[gaunt fiber]

wow

[sly remnant]

rama only really starts to pull ahead once you start being forced to add pacts that take things away from you

but you don't have to do that at 32

[rain sedge]

easiest 32s for me was eris, chiron, talos, demeter, zag fist, poseidon, achilles, all 4 shields, then rama

[gaunt fiber]

where is GY I can't see it

[rain sedge]

real talk GY with charged skewere might even be easier than rama

[true fable]

ngl i think youre underestimating how speedy fox man is

he just says "i'm not a speedrunner" like he didnt hit 12 mins on 50 heat LOL

rama doesnt feel like a fast weapon to me but some people make it work

[sly remnant]

for speed its hammer reliant

which is why a lot of people don't like it

its super self-sufficient which is why its amazing at high heat

but when it comes to speed....other weapons just scale better with boons and such

[rain sedge]

whoa whoa, I didn't see that 12 mins on 50 heat

let me speedrun 32 eris real quick and see how quick it is, just checking

I expect 10 minutes but we'll see

[true fable]

if you get 10 mins first try you should 100% go after my record lmfao

[rain sedge]

actually.... now that I looked at the leaderboard

tail had the pre-cleared 32 heat record at 8.38

[sly remnant]

eris can go faster than rama

[rain sedge]

faster than my any heat eris record btw

[sly remnant]

but no one grinds 32 heat

[true fable]

^

everyone does 32 heat a few timea n then just does 40/50 or anyheat

[sly remnant]

after i do 56 beo

i want to do all aspects sub 10 at 32

[true fable]

pog

[sly remnant]

to try to generate interest on the board

[rain sedge]

skull earring for speed right?

[sly remnant]

probably?

are you running high confidence?

[rain sedge]

no lol

its still 32

[sly remnant]

fair

i think shields can run HC

you can also check well for good eris items

and look at hourglass

[rain sedge]

there's no good eris items lol

my hammer is targetting system

[sly remnant]

bablo tooth isn't bad either. rooms are actually dangerous with HL5 BP

[dire steppe]

skull earring + high confidence works if you use level 1 guan yu and get a -hp chaos curse

[waxen relic]

? aren't they both percentage based?

[dire steppe]

yeah but if your max hp is 1

[waxen relic]

you won't get the bonus from earring?

[sly remnant]

earring rounds up to nearest whole hp now

[rain sedge]

I'm pretty sure that wasnt fixed

remember the first iteration of test branch where it was still broken?

[waxen relic]

oh does it? i thought they just upped the percentage

[sly remnant]

oh you right

[rain sedge]

that's why they put it to 35%

[sly remnant]

it is still broken nvm

[rain sedge]

wow my hammers are so bad for speedrun

spreadfire, hazard bomb, delta chamber

[sly remnant]

ewwwwww

i guess delta

[rain sedge]

ye

8 mins after heroes

that's good right

for a 32

just up to sac now

[gaunt fiber]

I think yeah

go for sub 12

[rain sedge]

10:08

not sub 10 but pretty close @true fable

got dreadful hammers, subpar boons and no thanatos. just 1 story room and 1 chaos

[gaunt fiber]

10:08 is my record

[sly remnant]

#JustErisThings

[rain sedge]

as I said, easiest weapon at 32

[sly remnant]

i mean i agreed with you

[rain sedge]

with tidal dash it'll be way faster

[true fable]

pretttty nice

i havent touched eris in a hot min

[rain sedge]

that would put me third on the 32 heat board

hmmmm

with enough grind I could easily do 2nd I think

[mossy zinc]

Hestia > Eris.

[sly remnant]

lmfao

ok nyaanyaa

[rain sedge]

[mossy zinc]

Guan Yu mirrorless > Eris.

Guan Yi mirrorless can lifesteal. Can Eris lifesteal? No. Checkmate.

Baj Shield > Eris.

I like the name Baj Shield. It's very on point.

[rain sedge]

I wonder if newcomers to the channel can distinguish the real advice from the trolling

[sly remnant]

thats why i try to make it very obvious when i'm not giving trolly advice

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber evidently couldn't.

[rain sedge]

sometimes I feel bad for astaos to get pinged just to be bullied

but then

I realise he's astaos 🤣

[mossy zinc]

That's mean.

[spring kettle]

The spin attack of Guan Yu is very satisfying

[gaunt fiber]

Hey, it cleared 32 mirrorless. But you're right, at first I did not know it would interact this way. And when you told me, I had to try

[sly remnant]

random question

do you get gold from the furies adds?

[gaunt fiber]

What have I done to you?

[gaunt fiber]

Until you're greedy

[spring kettle]

Pretty sure you do actually

I saw somebody farm a lot of gold from Meg but it made Tartarus take forever

[sly remnant]

tis confirmed worst fury

[honest kernel]

Wait what, when did this become a thing

[rain sedge]

if you're good at something it gets named after you for honor

especially if no one else plays it

[rain sedge]

it's just friendly ribbing ❤️

[lusty mirage]

companion rib?

[shy gulch]

are u asking if he’s good?

oh the line above

im literally blond

blind.

[lusty mirage]

[sacred mortar]

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel I dunno, I saw somebody in this channel call it Baj Shield earlier and thought it was funny.

[shy gulch]

ok I am miserable at using the shield

this is an alien weapon to me

[sly remnant]

what aspect?

[shy gulch]

im trying beowulf

I think I just need practice, it’s the weapon I’ve played with least, by far

[sly remnant]

mmk no worries. if you need some help lmk

[gaunt fiber]

all weapons are alien to me

[mossy zinc]

13/24 aspects sub 12.

[sly remnant]

nice! over halfway!

[true fable]

pog

a certain goddess of love is conspicuously missing from that last one

[sly remnant]

🔫 snitches get stitches bright

[true fable]

🙈

[mossy zinc]

I, too, m very happy that I got that aspect over with after bad RNG three runs in a row.

[tidal flame]

how useful was electric shot?

[mossy zinc]

Very. I did Dash-Strike x2 > Electric Shot a lot. Eventually ended up starting with the casts because they were doing more damage.

[tidal flame]

nice. was concerned that Electric Shot would fall off later but i guess Splitting Bolt helped

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, definitely.

[sly remnant]

electric shot for room clear is always good

[gaunt fiber]

did I miss a stream

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

[true fable]

also with jolted/rod

pog

[mossy zinc]

14/24.

Oh, also a new PB with Malphon.

[rain sedge]

you should do a bright and do 40x24 after this

I, on the other hand, is too much of a casual to do 40 with some of these cursed aspects

imagine 40 with zag spear yikes

[mossy zinc]

lol

[true fable]

40 with zag spear was easier than 40 with GY for me

😦

[rain sedge]

40 for GY was pretty free for me, I simply did the trick where you roll charged skewer

and press special for 20 mins, done

I mean "free" in a sense that it's nowhere near as painful as the sword/shield

[shy gulch]

how do u even do zag sword at like 40

that seems really rough

[gaunt fiber]

special double dash strike

until game is done

or you die

prolly highroll ME if you don't wanna bother and just clear

[rain sedge]

retrash has done it at what, 53? 54?

[shy gulch]

bruh

[rain sedge]

and he basically played with random boons

[shy gulch]

absolute madlad

im prob gonna stick with doing every aspect at 32 heat, 40 seems a tad much

for me

[gaunt fiber]

40 is like 32

but harder

[rain sedge]

oh it's a 54, here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZfiEzQhHT0

it's not exactly "random", but nothing broken either

[gaunt fiber]

But you keep control of your build

so it's not frustrating

[rain sedge]

40 is like 32 but harder

• Astaos, Warrior-Poet of Infinite Wisdom

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah sometimes I'd rather say nothing

[sly remnant]

i know we are meme'ing

but he's kinda right

the difference between 32 and 40 is not that huge on most aspects (cough arthur) so its really more just a difficult 32 instead of a completely different game

the game changes once you start to go past 40

[gaunt fiber]

listen to this wise guy

[rain sedge]

excuse you

for casuals like me it's a different game ok?

32 sword/shield? it's free real estate

[gaunt fiber]

Schad

you cleared 50

[rain sedge]

40 sword/shield? I still remember the tears of blood I cried while doing that

50 on eris is like, 32 heat on other weapons

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, sometimes I'd rather you say nothing.

[gaunt fiber]

I'll remember

[mossy zinc]

[true fable]

the thing is 40 is like 32 but harder

50 is not like 40 but harder

[sly remnant]

^i agree with bright

[tidal flame]

yup. 32 to 40 is just taking HL5 LC4 and get used to high damage and SD combo

40 - 50 means some, if not most of RI, AP, DC, JS, CP are involved.

[mossy zinc]

40 is just 0 Heat but with pacts.

[sly remnant]

yea the game fundamentally changes from 40-50

[gaunt fiber]

I'm not the only one

[unreal pasture]

words of wisdom

[sly remnant]

there are aspects that struggle even at 40, but its still a reasonable leap most of the time

[gaunt fiber]

which ones you think?

[sly remnant]

arthur is the most notable

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[unreal pasture]

Yea, was gonna say Arthur is a struggle in certain pacts

[sly remnant]

i think GY is a struggle but i suck at the weapon

[unreal pasture]

It's so annoying chasing chariot theseus down on Arthur

[mossy zinc]

Just take RI at 40 for Excalibur.

[sly remnant]

i agree with you nyaanyaa

its still a weird aspect at 40tho

[rain sedge]

gilga at 40 sucks

[true fable]

i think im caving and using a TD2 pact for 50 heat chaos

[sly remnant]

what other aspect legitimately runs RI3 as its staple at 40

[unreal pasture]

what... I love Gilga

[true fable]

my first try got so much further than my EM4 TD3 tries

gilga is honestly very free

[unreal pasture]

Gilga kind of starts to feel terrible once you turn on DC though

[sly remnant]

splash dash and profit

[true fable]

nah

DC is fine

just body slam

[mossy zinc]

Guan Yu meta at 40 is RI4, m very sure.

[gaunt fiber]

^

[sly remnant]

i could see RI3

but DDs are cool

[mossy zinc]

You don't need DDs if you don't get hit.

[sly remnant]

i mean yall know more about the weapon than me

[unreal pasture]

if you don't play perfectly, you've made mistakes

[sly remnant]

i'm just not sure 2 heat is worth not having DDs

achilles at 40 with athena start is probably what i would suggest

[true fable]

apparently take GY and run RI4 for 8 free heat

[mossy zinc]

#hades-high-heat-trolling

[sly remnant]

yea saame

[gaunt fiber]

I've been trying DDs on GY really

every time I fail my tartarus

And I can no hit with SD

[sly remnant]

But yea I like Achilles with phalanx shot into divine dash

If you get lightning phalanx its cool

[mossy zinc]

I like Flurry Jab on Achilles.

I don't like not seeing Flurry Jab on Achilles because then I have to, like, think more.

[sly remnant]

^flurry jab v good particularly with arti attack

[gaunt fiber]

I want flurry jab GY

where can I suggest it

[mossy zinc]

Amir DMs.

[true fable]

flurry jab GY would rule

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah if Zag stops jumping on third hit

[gaunt fiber]

You sure about that

[mossy zinc]

You would lose the spin, so it's not gonna happen.

[gaunt fiber]

I know that

But sacrifices are necessary

[shy plinth]

You can get delta chamber on hestia tho

[gaunt fiber]

Delta chamber does not make you lose anything gameplay wise

[shy plinth]

You can still reload??

Well that's what I get for not trying it

[gaunt fiber]

yeah you can

[gaunt fiber]

So we change Winged Serpent in Serpent Fury, which is flurry jab but you don't lose the spin

[sly remnant]

While I understand wanting flurry jab the last thing we need is another spear that depends on flurry jab at high heat

[gaunt fiber]

It's just another option

I tried to give some love to winged serpent I really did

[true fable]

im happy to reset for GY flurry jab 🙂

[gaunt fiber]

keep trying it will work

[true fable]

i usually end up resetting my GY runs in tartarus anyway

completely on purpose

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I watched some of them

The intentional part was not that clear to me

But I could be mistaken

[true fable]

you can tell because i say "i think i'm dead here" before most of them

that signals to the viewer that i am prepared and willing to die

[gaunt fiber]

Oh

Told ya you were talented

You prove it once again

[true fable]

nah you know who's talented

hades3234

i was watching him yesterday

and he google translated each of my messages to korean

that's dedication right there

[gaunt fiber]

You know

[true fable]

freal though i think ima use his pact for my chaos shield clear

[gaunt fiber]

I translate your messages to korean too

[honest kernel]

i was watching that, it was cute

how he just pulled up google translate

[true fable]

lol i felt so bad

[sly remnant]

yo i didn't know he streamed

[north dove]

EM4 TD3 is actually a nightmare https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790390696326070272/unknown.png

survived 35 secs in overtime

[midnight prairie]

Is there some kind of consensus on Olympian Favour Vs Dark Foresight? I just switched back to Olympian Favour and it feels awful. Feels like I'm getting half as many boon rooms.

[sly remnant]

the consensus is turn on dark foresight and never turn it off

sorry retrash 😦 i know you've been grinding that fight pretty hard

[daring hedge]

feeling the same pain retrash https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790394672903749632/20201220193543_1.jpg

a better second hammer and patty actually showing up could've maybe pulled this through

[rain sedge]

59

[daring hedge]

still no idea if JS2+CP2 or JS3+CP1 is better

they feel about the same throughout these attempts

[mossy zinc]

How consistently can you get to Hades with JS3 CP1 vs JS2 CP2?

If it's the same, then JS3 CP1 is easier.

[daring hedge]

good point, though it's still hard to tell because it seems like i get to hades with slightly less time for the fight with JS3 CP1, but JS2 CP2 makes his own fight a ton harder if i don't have ideal hammers

which, with AP2, i do not ever have ideal hammers

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I think even with slightly less time, you'll finish the fight faster with CP1, no?

[daring hedge]

i'm thinking the same yeah

might keep doing JS3 CP1 for now

[rain sedge]

tbh those boons are pretty damn good for an AP2 run

[shy gulch]

would RI3 ever be worth to take out a point in jury and cp? tho em4 with one dash sounds like pure hell

[daring hedge]

yeah it's mainly that EM4 with potentially one dash is definitely pure hell

you'd be resetting for hermes dashes or maybe squeaking by with hyper sprint

just too dangerous

[shy gulch]

yeah

figured

[mossy zinc]

I'll take EM4 once I can do Maxy consistently with one dash.

And I don't know if that's ever gonna happen lol.

[true fable]

hoping for hermes dashes + good hammers on AP2 seems like a maddening experience

[shy gulch]

Maxy?

[mossy zinc]

smh newbies don't know who Maxy is.

[shy gulch]

😔

[daring hedge]

absolutely, i already nearly lost it last night just from the hammers

it's extremely draining

[shy gulch]

yeah I don’t know how u even got to hades with bad hammers, my Rama runs kinda rely on a good hammer to get far

[mossy zinc]

Maxy is Hades but with maxed-out pacts that affect the fight.

[shy gulch]

ah ok

yeah one dash for that sounds like pain

[mossy zinc]

Everybody calls him that.

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[sly remnant]

i've literally never heard the name

[true fable]

if it's any consolation hades3234 says you're a god gamer and thinks you can do it

different words

[mossy zinc]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

See?

[true fable]

but the meanings there

[shy gulch]

I should do that fight more often actually

I’ve only done it a couple times

[mossy zinc]

You never heard the name because no one's grinding Maxy since 1.0.

Because EM4 is a thing now.

[shy gulch]

oh is Maxy non em4

I assumed with em4

[mossy zinc]

Well, it's EM4 now.

[shy gulch]

ah

[mossy zinc]

It wasn't with EM4 before 1.0.

But it's also HL5 CP2 FO2 HS DC2.

[shy gulch]

right

[true fable]

super maxy

sounds like a US prison no TY

[sly remnant]

i have a ton of practice on beo maxy

but i need to work on other aspects XD

[mossy zinc]

MaxyDaGod.

That's probably his gamer tag.

And his son ZaggyDaGod.

[daring hedge]

amir help, patty left my hell mode file and never came back

[mossy zinc]

He's actually hanging out with Amir now.

[tidal flame]

There is no escape...

[mossy zinc]

It's because you don't use Antos anymore.

[daring hedge]

excuse me but maybe i would if patty would show up to progress their storyline to the point of me unlocking it in hell mode

[mossy zinc]

He would if you used Antos.

So.

[daring hedge]

nyaa do you see the problem here

i can't use antos

[true fable]

LOL

[mossy zinc]

That's not my fault now, is it.

That's on you.

You shoulda talked to Patty more.

[daring hedge]

i have been

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790403908131881000/20201220202244_1.jpg also what

repulse shot is a good hammer everyone

[mossy zinc]

I actually think it's good.

[sly remnant]

how do you have so much time

[mossy zinc]

It's a lot easier to do Power Shots.

[daring hedge]

it's just a damage loss at high heat compared to other hammers

[daring hedge]

i have no idea

[mossy zinc]

But you need another hammer that does damage.

[daring hedge]

i didn't even get patty

[sly remnant]

tailesque the god

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, pretty much. But I think Twin Shot or Perfect Shot with Repulse Shot is really good.

[daring hedge]

should i risk anvil to potentially trade in repulse for something else

probably not right

i could get explosive or it could ditch perfect shot

[mossy zinc]

Rama is broken.

Tailesque is also broken.

2x broken = infinity.

[sly remnant]

i think anvil. this dad fight is still gonna be tight

and repulse hammer does a fat lot of nothing

[mossy zinc]

Or maybe it's broken^2, I don't know how that works.

[daring hedge]

if this anvil goes south i'm blaming tyler

[sly remnant]

i'll accept it

[true fable]

well

think of it this way right

[mossy zinc]

I wouldn't risk it.

[true fable]

would you win with repulse?

idk

[mossy zinc]

Repulse Shot might be nice for adds?

[sly remnant]

the minibosses?

[true fable]

that reminds me

i wanted to test if repulse shot procs sea storm lol

[mossy zinc]

But you definitely still want Perfect Shot.

[daring hedge]

it's alright for styx mini chambers

and yeah, if i lose perfect shot it's game over unless it gives me twin or triple

[sly remnant]

its a literal 50/50

you can anvil before dad

[mossy zinc]

So don't high roll.

[sly remnant]

nyaanyaa thats not the definition of a high roll

[mossy zinc]

Go for consistency and do your best.

[dire steppe]

take the anvil

no balls

[mossy zinc]

50-50 to throw your run is stupid.

[sly remnant]

it depends on if you think the run is winnable in its current state or not

[mossy zinc]

He can do it.

[sly remnant]

sure i think he can too

[tidal flame]

You heard it here first folks.

[true fable]

but does hades3234 think he can

[sly remnant]

but its about expected value

[true fable]

the answer is yes

[daring hedge]

LMAO

THIS ANVIL

NO

this is a joke

[true fable]

OH NOOOOOOOO

LOL

[sly remnant]

lmao

[true fable]

is it sniper explosive

[shy plinth]

Explosive shot for sure

[true fable]

more hammers gud

[daring hedge]

even better

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/790406094496464926/20201220203128_1.jpg

triple but botched

[dire steppe]

wait how'd you lose a third hammer

[sly remnant]

WAIT

WHAT

[true fable]

wait that's not

awful

is it?

it's not good

[mossy zinc]

@sly remnant I know what expected value is lol.

[daring hedge]

it's basically triple shot but shotgunning doesn't work

[true fable]

but it's not awful is it?

[shy plinth]

Chain+triple is messed up right

Yeah

[true fable]

ah

[tidal flame]

Triple better than perfect?

[daring hedge]

not with chain foxhope

chain ruins it

[tidal flame]

Oh rip

[dire steppe]

why does shotgunning not work with chain triple

[daring hedge]

something to do with how the shots don't pierce anymore

so the side shots easily just skate outside your target

even point blank

[shy gulch]

bruh what

that’s weird

[daring hedge]

four minutes left too

ugh

[tidal flame]

Well that's a tease if I ever see one

Good luck

Make it without Twin or Triple

And ascend

[sly remnant]

and the expected value on losing one useless or one good hammer for 3 differently good options (triple, twin, or point blank) and possibly one bad option means that anvil'ing is a +EV play. thus. not a high roll

[unreal pasture]

^ this is a weird ... semantic thing

[sly remnant]

i'm explaining why i would take the anvil

because its a +Ev play

[unreal pasture]

When you have the possibility of getting a -EV hammer... that actually disrupts your gameplay... you can still see how the term "high roll" can be apt, yes?

Since you're high rolling out of the possibilities of hammers

[sly remnant]

a play cannot literally be + and - EV

[dire steppe]

theres no such thing as a "-EV" hammer

[sly remnant]

it is either +EV or - EV

[dire steppe]

a negative value hammer is part of the EV

but EV is an average

[unreal pasture]

Sure. A theoretical EV can be positive... but you can still RNG into a hammer like Explosive Shot...

[tidal flame]

Wouldn't high rolling just go for low percent play? Like 1% to get 1000000000 points vs 90% to get 100. While the 1% has higher expected value, it's the high roll choice?

[unreal pasture]

Or the hammers people would consider negative value

[sly remnant]

^exactly

foxhope hit it on the head

and the hammer anvil favored anvil'ing

it didn't work out

which sucks

but that doesn't make it the incorrect play

[unreal pasture]

Wll... that's why there's a distinction between theoretical EV and actual value

[sly remnant]

uh. no there isn't

[unreal pasture]

uuuuuuuh.

[mossy zinc]

It's a high roll because you gamble a perfectly fine hammer for a chance to either get something better or throw your run. Throwing in variance that late when you have a good hammer is not a smart play.

[unreal pasture]

If you disagree with this one... that's a fundamental and foundational difference that effectively cannot be resolved

[unreal pasture]

In his assumption was that you have bad hammers when you hit the anvil, I think

Maybe I misread?

[sly remnant]

but your good options outweighed the bad options

[unreal pasture]

One good or one useless

[sly remnant]

he had 3 good options and one bad option.

He had 1 useless hammer and 1 good hammer

that is by definition....not a high roll. it is _EV

+EV

[tidal flame]

I think rerolling is a fine choice tbh. EV asides.

[unreal pasture]

"Expected value" is a purely theoretical a priori thing though...
Actual value... will never align with the EV until you're doing the absurd experiment via law of large numbers

[mossy zinc]

The average is not gonna win you the game. You either get something or you lose everything. The hammers he had were good enough, he gambled.

[unreal pasture]

IE: You're rerolling your hammer thousands of times

[mossy zinc]

It's like you just look at EV and ignore the fact that he didn't need to gamble in the first place.

[tidal flame]

Getting through EM4 on Perfect Shot only sounds horrendous

[sly remnant]

^

[unreal pasture]

But there's a reason new game theories try to apply risk aversion

[sly remnant]

you are being results-oriented.

[unreal pasture]

Of course?

[true fable]

it's ultimately different philosophies that clash

yall arent gonna find a "correct" choice

because there isn't one

[sly remnant]

results-oriented is a fallacy in game theory

[unreal pasture]

The results are pre-determined

Disagree

I don't think post hoc is necessarily fallacious

[sly remnant]

I mean every basic game theory course disagrees with you

[mossy zinc]

I really don't care about game theory lol.

[sly remnant]

you should

playing not to lose is not playing to win

if a play is +EV it is the correct play

regardless of the results

[shy plinth]

If any of you ever end up playing a CCG you can look forward to having this conversation ad nauseum

[true fable]

LOL

[shy plinth]

The goal here is to figure out if doing something that lost you a run was the right decision anyway

[unreal pasture]

6:44 PM] tylerhk93: playing not to lose is not playing to win thing is... you have to be in a near guaranteed position to lose for this type of rationale to be applicable

[tidal flame]

Nyaa thinks that Tail is good enough to win with Perfect Shot so no reroll
Tyler and I think that Perfect Shot might not be enough so reroll.
End of story.

[shy plinth]

Quite often you can lose a run and make the same decision the next time you're in that spot

[unreal pasture]

If you're going to win the run with no extra hammers, why incur the risk?

[sly remnant]

was he going to win the run?

[true fable]

well if you're going to win the run either way why dont we just say he did 59 heat LOL

[unreal pasture]

The "Anvil is +EV" argument should apply in all situations then, right?

[true fable]

he has to do it

[tidal flame]

Well too late for that hypothesis on Perfect Shot now

[shy plinth]

The scenario implies a lack of a guaranteed outcome

[sly remnant]

that depends on how badly you think your lose condition is present. considering LITERALLY NO ONE has done 59 heat i imagine that his lose condition is very present

[true fable]

i dont think you can put a % chance on whether someone will win something inherently moment to moment performance based

[tidal flame]

That depends on how good your current hammer is.

[shy plinth]

It's very hard in a game like hades where execution matters a lot and there are a ton of variables second to second

[true fable]

^

[shy plinth]

But the question is, am I more likely to win this run by taking the anvil or not, which implies winning this run is not 100%

What you get after doesn't change the decision before when you're unaware of the outcome

[unreal pasture]

Well, we agree... Tyler does not seem to agree with this

[tidal flame]

Well has it been 4 mins?

Tail should be done by now

[sly remnant]

perfect shot being inferior to twin, triple, and point blank isn't really a discussion

[dire steppe]

4 ingame minutes = 20 of pausing

[unreal pasture]

I'm probably more risk averse. If I have one good hammer, that I need to win, I'm not going to risk it.
If I think that I cannot win without specific hammers, then of course, I'll try to high roll

[tidal flame]

Lmao true

[unreal pasture]

And contextually, it's (imo) correct to call it a high roll. If you're in a losing situation and you only have some low odds% to win

[shy plinth]

If expected value is positive, that means the average outcome is a benefit

The highroll would be the outlier peak benefit

That value's gonna change based on the current guaranteed config you have and your likelihood to win with it

Sometimes anvil is a terrible idea, sometimes you need it, sometimes it's take-it-or-leave-it

[tidal flame]

Haha, that's interesting. I don't want to delve too much into this EV debate. But I am pretty risk averse myself, I would reroll. Because I don't want to face Hades with a sub-optimal build. That's risky to me.

[shy plinth]

Speaking as someone who is absolutely not a 59 heat runner, I have no idea if perfect shot is enough by itself to claim the victory, but I would want every edge I could get and would probs consider the anvil there

[unreal pasture]

Oh, I guess honestly, in actuality...
Because I'm not opposed to seeding (currently am playing seeded 59), I would abuse the seed rng to see what the hammers are

[shy plinth]

Haven't charted it out or anything

[unreal pasture]

But that's kind of a different argument/discussion

[sly remnant]

getting power shots on EM4 hades is not easy. i think more immediate damage is better which is why i think anvil'ing is correct

[shy plinth]

Well sure, deterministic outcomes vs theoretical ones aren't gonna be the same

[unreal pasture]

^

Tyler's on board the theorist/a priori boat

[shy plinth]

If you can see the future you can make very specific decisions

[tidal flame]

TAIL, what's the result bud

[shy plinth]

Before you take an anvil everyone is a theorist

[sly remnant]

he didn't say anything so probably not good

[tidal flame]

Are you back from your smoke break?

it would be wild to make 58 2 days ago and 59 today

[unreal pasture]

That is, to say, you use the a priori principle of the law of large numbers to make decisions...
I don't think this is best practice... but best practice is effectively impossible because a human cannot monitor / disrupt the RNG without a tool assist

So it reduces into whether you actually believe there is chance/probability or not. And I don't

[dire steppe]

You... don't believe there is probability?

[unreal pasture]

No

[sly remnant]

lmfao

[tidal flame]

But but probability is taking into account the fact that you cannot determine the RNG

[unreal pasture]

It's a useful tool/heuristic when you cannot predict the future though... (or know initial conditions)

[tidal flame]

anyhow, I think this convo is going nowhere because yall have not enough data.

[sly remnant]

no but we still make deductions based on our current understanding

thats not incorrect

[tidal flame]

yes and no. sometimes the best is not enough.

[shy plinth]

If anyone ever wants to talk about Monty Hall just @ me

[tidal flame]

we don't know what tail skill cap is

[shy plinth]

We'll go for a while

[tidal flame]

we can't put a concrete number on hammers

[sly remnant]

of course we can't

[unreal pasture]

Monty Hall is 1/2 bayesian probability updates with new knowledge/information
don't @ me

[sly remnant]

thats true in any game

[shy plinth]

I changed my mind I don't want to talk about Monty Hall

[tidal flame]

also why do we have people talking about EV in this channel lol

[unreal pasture]

how about newcombe's then?

[tidal flame]

what do yall do?

[shy plinth]

I expect value

And ultimately I think this conversation was generally positive

[tidal flame]

just curios because I'm doing a stats grad program

and didn't expect to see stats here

[shy plinth]

My other gaming life is deep in the collectible card game world

Prob and stats are a way of life for us

[sly remnant]

i was explaining my reasoning for anvil'ing and why i did not classify it as a high roll but instead as the correct play

[unreal pasture]

neetlife for me ... but I was doing mostly sciences before dropout

[true fable]

i'm prepping for med school rn

should probably know more stats than i do

LOL

[tidal flame]

med school is rad dude. good luck!

[true fable]

the process is rough but it's about the end goal i suppose

thanks yall

[shy plinth]

You can do it! You're a bright fella

[mossy zinc]

lol skill cap.

[tidal flame]

There dude with nick Hades234 or something

doing 50+ heat already

[hollow lynx]

heat 40+ med school speedrun any%

[tidal flame]

med school speedrun sounds... dangerous?

[shy plinth]

Wait after med school do you have to call them hyperthermic runs

[true fable]

i think hades3234 is korean

[tidal flame]

you are right

at least his flag suggests so

[shy plinth]

58

[sly remnant]

by mr. tailesque

knocking on 59 rn

[tidal flame]

it has been too long

I think he logged off

rip the dream for tonight

[true fable]

lol he's speaks korean on stream so i think it's reasonable to assume

it takes a while

have you done spear 32?

i see

spear is hard

[dire steppe]

ooh are we talking about math now

i like math

[shy plinth]

No, math talk done

Continuing the conversation would be -EV

[silver prairie]

why is spear hard

[dire steppe]

reduces winrate of your masters degree

[silver prairie]

im just curious i havent played at high heat yet

[dire steppe]

i’ll infect you with the stupid

[silver prairie]

i already have it, we good

[sly remnant]

very low base damage and a lot of the same downside as melee weapons (not as safe)

[silver prairie]

that makes sense yeah

its got longer range for sure than sword and fists at least

[spring kettle]

And the hammers are more situational

[sly remnant]

the hammers are in general complete garbage

spear's range and "spin" get a lot harder to use when enemies move and attack 40% faster

i mean flurry jab is a great hammer

[spring kettle]

Quick spin should be automatic on Guan Yu

How am I supposed to spam my healing move otherwise?

[sly remnant]

most spear aspects are just flurry jab aspects at 45+

[mossy zinc]

I think spear is really good for high heat.

[sly remnant]

if you get flurry jab it is

[mossy zinc]

It's not bow or rail.

[sly remnant]

my issue with spear at high heat is how hammer dependent it is

spear is great in seeded

[honest kernel]

Looking at Retrash and Tailesque's attempts, glad I'm not the only one with timeout issues lol

Thought it was my weapon for a second that couldn't do it

[sly remnant]

what if the play is drop AP2 for JS3 CP2 RI3 AP1

[honest kernel]

One dash with spear ? Could work, if you are good enough at bosses

[sly remnant]

lol i meant for the 58/59 attempts

[honest kernel]

Oh

[north dove]

please tell me sacks aren't seeded... I've only been getting 3 sacks 😬

which won't cut it for this heat

[honest kernel]

If they are seeded, there are many, MANY ways to alter the number

Like any room RNG

Source : Practising Styx on the same savefile led to different sack room number

[dire steppe]

in the hermes cup they always get the same sack number tho

[honest kernel]

Not quite

[dire steppe]

right?

[honest kernel]

They use a mod that makes it 3-sack maximum

Could be either 2 or 3

[shy gulch]

oh

i thought it was always 3

[honest kernel]

One runner could get a 2 sack while the other gets a 3 sack, even on the same seed

[sly remnant]

in hermes cup its always 3

[shy gulch]

interesting

[sly remnant]

now

[honest kernel]

Oh ?

That's new then

[shy gulch]

btw does the hades spear debuff count as a status for priv stat?

[dire steppe]

no

[honest kernel]

Nope

[shy gulch]

first time using this aspect

damn

[dire steppe]

only boons

[shy gulch]

rough

is charged skewer worth it on any spear besides guan yu?

well guess ill try it

[honest kernel]

Well on Hades spear it might be okay

But otherwise ? Spear special still too laggy

That's why Explosive Launcher is so good

[sly remnant]

disrespecting chain skewer

smh

^this is a troll

[shy gulch]

yeah i keep forgetting that other spear weapons dont 1) give you raging rush or 2) be guan yu and not force you to recall it

kinda lame

[mossy zinc]

If I don't have Exploding Launcher, might as well just unmap the button.

[dire steppe]

so how long before 24x55 becomes the floor of this channel

[shy gulch]

please no lol

[honest kernel]

The moment I'm tired of pushing Zeus shield

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/790433389366083614/unknown.png poseidon attack

[honest kernel]

👀

[shy gulch]

oh lord

[honest kernel]

Spicy stuff

[north dove]

Another 3 sack :(

Timed out at the start of phase 2...

[sly remnant]

f

maybe just try a new seed

[north dove]

Don't know how to get enough damage

[sly remnant]

like one with double edge chaos

[north dove]

I might just give in for today