#h1-high-heat-strategies

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true fable
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ive been doing guan yu for the whole day

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i feel like half the man i was

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this is your brain on 50% HP

fathom cloud
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I timed out on T+A with Rama on 32, still a lot of progress to make

true fable
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oof that's unfortunate

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one thing that i'm still working on with rama is special efficiency

fathom cloud
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Like, spreading it out more efficiently?

true fable
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nah like not specialing in a certain direction more than i need to

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to get all those enemies with the bounces

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45 felt ok-ish? but i think my play needs to be better before i try to push rama to 50

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i did get carried by triple point blank shot

fathom cloud
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Hm maybe I used my special too often on my last run, since I had Dio special and relied on it a fair bit instead of simply marking and powershotting

mossy zinc
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Well, trying to push 50 is how you improve.

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If you wanna do 50, you gotta practice 50.

daring hedge
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does anyone notice the extremely cursed part about this build

shy plinth
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Attack boons seem important

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Why don't you have one

daring hedge
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good question

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another question you might ask

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where's the shackle?

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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So, no attack boons and no shackle

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So clearly you're referring to the ambiguity bonus

daring hedge
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yes, because of zeus and AP2 working together to sabotage me

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forced into lightning strike in asphodel, purging pool didn't show it for purging while i had no rolls

mossy zinc
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I feel like if you pick AP2, that's not AP2 sabotaging you.

daring hedge
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took it all through elysium

mossy zinc
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That's self-sabotage.

daring hedge
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it's just that typically you can count on purging a core boon you don't want

mossy zinc
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The game didn't make you choose AP2.

daring hedge
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but the pool picked the other 3

shy plinth
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And yet on top of all that, you cleared anyway

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Is it player skill? Or is the zag bow buff that important

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We may never know

mossy zinc
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He cleared because of Thunder Dash, not in spite of it.

daring hedge
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lol

shy plinth
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Chain shot with no attack boon is so sad

daring hedge
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yeah

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luckily perfect shot was the one i had from the start

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chain was weirdly from a styx tunnel

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sorta kinda helped in the hades fight

true fable
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chain shot is kind of sad in general ngl

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it isnt as good as i want it to be

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and when enemies are in a line it's a straight up nerf

daring hedge
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yeah

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the main thing is just adding +15% per bounce, which is still small

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and it's at least better on rama because of the shared suffering snowballing from all bounces

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but still there are better hammers for rama anyway

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because chain is pretty bad for bosses most of the time

true fable
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didnt you say it acts weirdly with triple too

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also: an aside

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i never noticed that GY literally drips blood

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thats metal

daring hedge
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oh yeah i love that GY detail

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and yeah like, for some reason chain on triple makes shotgunning extremely tight

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you can't just have the side shots clip and have it count, you need to be like, perfectly inside the enemy to do it

true fable
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yeah i noticed that too

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very weird

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i rolled curse of agony into curse of agony

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so shackle rama is going well

daring hedge
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classic

shy plinth
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Sounds like the run is... doomed?

mossy zinc
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Just get Thunder Dash and you're fine.

true fable
daring hedge
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thunder dash guarantees a win

true fable
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and it's chain shot

mossy zinc
true fable
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actually chain shot is probably the ideal hammer for curse of agony rama

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not that i've thought much about curse of agony rama

shy plinth
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I don't actually think the run is doomed, I just wanted to make the pun

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I'm weak

true fable
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oh i understood it

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dw

shy plinth
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I know that pun was... agonizing

true fable
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asdfads

daring hedge
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absolute game changer

true fable
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i've seen too many bablo WRs with thunder dash to underrate that boon

mossy zinc
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10 damage is the same as 10000 damage if it's DC hearts.

true fable
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true

daring hedge
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but what if DC is off

shy plinth
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Lol is it really only 10

true fable
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yeah common is absurdly weak

shy plinth
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Wow

true fable
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why no DC lol

daring hedge
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because it's annoying on zag bow

true fable
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hmm

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i did not see what bow that was

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admittedly

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i just assumed

daring hedge
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lol

mossy zinc
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@daring hedge you should finish your bow bounties sometime.

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I'd recommend taking it one heat at a time to really learn the weapon.

daring hedge
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i did get a titan blood at the end of this lmao

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also i tried to use meg during the hades fight and completely forgot that i didn't unlock that yet on hell mode and it threw me off so bad

mossy zinc
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Wow.

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Noob.

true fable
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is this the zag bow record

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if so im a little upset

mossy zinc
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Should be.

daring hedge
mossy zinc
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@daring hedge congratulations! Do a barrel roll!

true fable
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is meg even upgraded

daring hedge
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yes lol

true fable
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do you even have titans blood in this weapon

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please tell me this wasnt with base zag bow

daring hedge
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bright look at the victory screen!!

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legendary zag bow and 5 star battie

true fable
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attention to detail is not my strong suit

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noted

mossy zinc
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It's funny how hard we moved from highlighting our super lucky builds at high heat a few months ago to "look at these boons that did nothing zaglol" in our victory screens.

true fable
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literal boon allergies

mossy zinc
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I say "we" but it's mainly Tailesque tbh lol.

true fable
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some of baj's legitimate victory screens look like boonless challenges

mossy zinc
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True lol.

daring hedge
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hey and also retrash has done this too

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lightning strike hestia

true fable
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lightning strike hestia is more cursed than boonless hestia

mossy zinc
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That's still a good build though tbh. It's just rail with with Lightning Strike lol.

true fable
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oh i get that it's good

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it's just also very very cursed

daring hedge
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yeah

mossy zinc
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Meanwhile, "we" time out or die with Heartbreak Strike + Heart Rend + Deadly Reversal + 5 dashes in Asphodel.

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As in, we get all that in Asphodel and somehow die anyway.

true fable
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the mistake was to run TD3

daring hedge
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that sounds like when i got merciful end zag spear and still timed out

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to be fair i got it in elysium, but still

mossy zinc
true fable
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my first GY run today was curse of agony, divine dash and a DD out of tartarus

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then i lost my SD and a DD to the fishing glitch

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and just gave up

mossy zinc
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How did you do it, Tailesque?
"Oh, I got Repulse Shot and Thunder Dash."
Wut? ron

true fable
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tailesque tricked me into thinking repulse shot was a good hammer

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when i was young and foolish

mossy zinc
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I feel sorry for anyone trying to learn builds from the leaderboard now.

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Or from this channel.

daring hedge
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okay guys here's how you beat 50+ with zag bow: use shackle until zeus nullifies it in asphodel and then you get 15 extra damage per power shot until you sell that in styx

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it's very simple

true fable
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when i came here to figure out 32 heat

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i learned that builds were everything

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so that worldview is now gone

mossy zinc
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Tailesque is starting to sound like our meme version of him in our fake quotes.

daring hedge
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that shift is really funny though like

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"what's a good build for high heat 45+" there isn't one

true fable
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it's kind of beautiful in a way

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but i do wish that like

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duo boons existed

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idk

daring hedge
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yeah

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i kind of wish AP capped at 1 or something

true fable
daring hedge
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we're just greedy for heat and it makes building anything impossible

true fable
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this is me with duo boons

mossy zinc
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You could just not max AP lol.

true fable
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ive seen a green boon maybe twice with any AP

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you dont understand how bad AP has been for me

daring hedge
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but you need to max AP to push heat sometimes nyaanyaa

mossy zinc
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"Man, I wish all these pacts that I maxed out didn't go so high."

true fable
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i have a folder for AP crosses with a subfolder for duo crosses and legendary crosses

daring hedge
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lmao

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just don't send that folder to amir or he will become unstoppable

true fable
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he already is unstoppable 😦

daring hedge
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true 😔

mossy zinc
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lol I think m literally the only one who just does not even see the crossed-out options.

true fable
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but you hear them at least

mossy zinc
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There have been several times when people posted an AP2 screenshot that I needed somebody to point out to me the crossed-out boons because all I saw was like "Phalanx Shot" and m like oh hey Phalanx Shot is really nice.

daring hedge
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i loved getting new duo conversations ending with it crossed out

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thanks guys

mossy zinc
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And it was a crossed-out Divine Protection and Merciful End.

true fable
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wait you can get that tailesque

mossy zinc
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But Phalanx Shot is nice.

true fable
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is that a fresh file thing

daring hedge
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what do you mean

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special duo convos?

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or getting them and having the duo crossed out anyways

true fable
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then special convos

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they can only happen the first time you're offered the duo right?

daring hedge
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yeah they just sometimes happen right before you're about to get a duo and it involves the duo gods having an interaction

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but you can only get each convo once

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happens here timestamped in a blood price run of mine https://youtu.be/owadHmxrue0?t=973

Of course the one run with Dionysus turns out to be the winner... I hadn't even really considered him to be a contender for attack here, but it worked out great, and Numbing Sensation was surprisingly welcome. Shout out to a leisurely Hades fight and plenty of time to spare in Elysium. Other shout out to the painful simultaneous denial of two du...

▶ Play video
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it killed me inside

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both curse of nausea and splitting headache crossed out

true fable
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lol

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that's worse than any of the duo crosses i've gotten

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you see what i mean?

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it feels like it homes in

mossy zinc
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No, I don't.

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I don't see crossed-out options. dusa

true fable
mossy zinc
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My father taught me to just forget what hand you had if you fold in poker.

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AP2 is pretty similar.

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You discarded two options when you picked AP2, so don't even look at them.

true fable
mossy zinc
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Accurate.

true fable
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i find AP2 less annoying than AP1 in a way

gaunt fiber
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Wat

true fable
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like i feel like i'd rather just do AP2 if i'm going to do AP1 anyway

mossy zinc
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My solution for pacts I don't like is to not take them.

true fable
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exactly

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i only ever feel like taking AP2 or AP0

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i hate taking AP1 and just hoping it doesnt mess me up

mossy zinc
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I also don't like cowards, by the way.

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Just wanted to let you know.

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Cowards are the worst.

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@daring hedge @gaunt fiber right?

daring hedge
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i don't like AP2 but i also don't like having to max out JS and CP and maybe even RI3 or something even more

gaunt fiber
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What's a coward anyway?

daring hedge
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so sometimes i just take the AP2

true fable
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apparently anyone who uses a shield

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thats what my tag is in reference to

gaunt fiber
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People that play with 100% HP?

daring hedge
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nyaanyaa why do you hate shield users

mossy zinc
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@true fable who in the speedrun server called you coward anyway?

true fable
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it's a reference to that wriste clip

mossy zinc
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I dunno what clip lol.

true fable
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i love that melee weapons are the chad weapons

mossy zinc
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I see.

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@hallow stream tough talk for somebody who went from high heat to doing sub 20 heat all the time. squirtdevious

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@true fable don't worry, I got you. Gotta change that to "Proud Shield User" or something.

true fable
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i havent played shield in a week lol

mossy zinc
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Don't listen to Wriste. He not even doing 20+ Heat anymore.

true fable
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actually jk zag shield counts i guess

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but i guess im a GY respawner now

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this week is my astaos RP week

mossy zinc
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My man said GY respawner lmao. zaglol

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Ded.

true fable
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yeah i think a good 70% of my runs ended in tartarus

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and that's pretty generous

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good practice though

mossy zinc
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You should do mirrorless 32 with Guan Yu. It's fun.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
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You'll definitely get better with the spin.

true fable
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kind of freeing once you embrace the death

gaunt fiber
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See?

true fable
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my GY stats are probably something pretty horrifying

gaunt fiber
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I had 6% winrate

mossy zinc
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I need to practice Guan Yu with FO2 more.

gaunt fiber
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5.9 actually

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Who cares about stats

mossy zinc
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I think I got mirrorless 32 down to where I can make any jank build work.

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Although not with a 100% win rate.

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With Guan Yu, I mean.

gaunt fiber
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Yeah because FO0 feels like cheating

mossy zinc
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I mean it still takes practice, but yeah, FO0 is really a different life lol.

gaunt fiber
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GY is overpowered at FO0

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Change my mind

mossy zinc
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FO2 Asterius miniboss just kills you in two hits lol.

true fable
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yep

mossy zinc
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Like not takes your SD in two hits. Just straight up ends your run in two hits lol.

true fable
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witnessed that firsthand today

gaunt fiber
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Yeah happened yesterday again

true fable
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first swing took my SD and then he charged

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GG

gaunt fiber
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It's frustrating

true fable
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i dont think theres a bigger miniboss disparity in any other biome

gaunt fiber
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Misread a charge, get caught in special wind up

true fable
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maybe vermin in styx?

gaunt fiber
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I don't die vs Vermin

true fable
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true

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could be a function of having patty + boons though

mossy zinc
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Seriously, the main reason I want Divine Dash in my runs is Asterius lol.

daring hedge
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my main problem with vermin is just that it takes longer

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not that it's super dangerous really

mossy zinc
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The fight is so much easier when you have Divine Dash.

true fable
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it took me a while to notice vermin's tells

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very subtle

gaunt fiber
daring hedge
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yeah vermin's telegraphs are really weird aside from the summoning scream

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and also it can just decide to dig literally whenever it wants

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which i hate

true fable
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he just flashes white before the lunge

gaunt fiber
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It shouts too

mossy zinc
true fable
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im bad at audio cues

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yeah you can cheese vermin with the pillar

daring hedge
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oh

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this is new to me

mossy zinc
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I did that with Hestia in my boonless mirrorless, I think? @gaunt fiber was there, I think.

gaunt fiber
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Yeah I remember that

mossy zinc
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m not 100% on how to exploit it, yet but it can definitely bug out like that lol.

true fable
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you stream very irregularly

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school i'm assuming?

gaunt fiber
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Nah just get lucky

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It's random

mossy zinc
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I just stream when I feel like it, I don't care to get popular lol.

true fable
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that's fair

mossy zinc
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I mean, if I can get up to 3 average viewers from 1.6, I can get affiliate and people can give me money.

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So that's nice.

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I like when people give me money.

gaunt fiber
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Nowadays I feel like having people mocking you in chat would be fun

true fable
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it's a good time ngl

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i just can't stand backseating so i'm not sure what to do about that

gaunt fiber
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I have a invested viewer sometimes

daring hedge
gaunt fiber
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"Oh, why did you pick that instead of that?"

true fable
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i dont mind it at all if it's questions/if they're better than me tbh

gaunt fiber
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Hell if I know dude

true fable
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like having astaos backseat me for GY40 wasnt annoying

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but like

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having some random egg "coach" me on beowulf would probably be slightly irritating

gaunt fiber
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The title said any advice welcome

true fable
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and it was

gaunt fiber
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That's why I did

mossy zinc
true fable
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yeah dont get me wrong i appreciated it

gaunt fiber
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Lmao

true fable
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specifically with 6 zaglols at the end?

true fable
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and then he does it anyway and almost wins

daring hedge
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lmao

mossy zinc
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Haelian needs somebody to save him from all the bad "advice" in chat lol.

true fable
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they try

gaunt fiber
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Chat is too fast anyway

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I saw you typing things that made sense

true fable
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nyaanyaa?

gaunt fiber
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Y

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Well I'm sure you can do that too tho

mossy zinc
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Nope.

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m unparalleled.

gaunt fiber
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Lol

true fable
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cant argue with that bouldy

gaunt fiber
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"divine dash good"

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Such a strong opinion

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Last time was a Demeter choice

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Snow burst or ravenous will

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I had crush shot, of course snow burst is more fun, right?

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Privileged status with one input, it was amazing. For the 30 seconds it lasted I mean

mossy zinc
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What's that?

gaunt fiber
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A forgotten mirror option

mossy zinc
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Like the mirror in Zagreus's room? It looks really nice, but it doesn't do anything. squirtnya

gaunt fiber
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Exactly

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It does something, sometimes. With a skewer build, it was like 60 damage per special when active

mossy zinc
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I like mirrors. They always look gorgeous.

gaunt fiber
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..

mossy zinc
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Oh wait, that's me. squirtdevious

tidal flame
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...

rain sedge
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for my last bounty of the fist, I'm gonna do a retrash

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gilgamesh blade rift

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beyblades go brrrrr

cinder cave
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She's becoming the Wicked Queen

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Mirror mirror on the wall

rain sedge
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"becoming"?

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she explicitly admitted she's a witch

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nice avatar codex, very festive

gaunt fiber
trim sigil
sly remnant
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Hey no bashing ny boy wriste in this chat. Im a proud wriste fanboy and I can't stand to hear any slander about my favorite epic gamer wristeBigBrain

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Would all weapons/aspects EM4 40 heat qualify for the challenge run spreadsheet?

rain sedge
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if you do it consequentially like bablo, yeah

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xd

humble parrot
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Teleporting + aura flamewheels just ruined my hera run

mossy zinc
cinder cave
cinder cave
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And felt like everyone was constantly asking to reference me

fathom cloud
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I'm beginning to dislike Achilles for high heat. My cast gets stuck in mobs forever and I have no damage.

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Less damage than a bow and less ability to quickly clear DCs

rain sedge
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that's why you use zeus cast, or high roll for quick reload

fathom cloud
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That's good wisdom

gaunt fiber
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You could try non cast Achilles

fathom cloud
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How do you deal with a group of super slam dancers with like 4 blue hearts?

gaunt fiber
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what weapon

fathom cloud
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Achilles

gaunt fiber
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you attack them

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I mean, Zeus attack is aoe

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would work

fathom cloud
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welp I need more practice then, they regen-ed as fast as I could whack them and my bloodstones were stuck

gaunt fiber
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make use of cast too

rain sedge
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the chain lightning doesnt get amplified by the achilles thingy right?

gaunt fiber
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No idea

rain sedge
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because otherwise why would you put zeus attack on achilles

gaunt fiber
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Because it would work like a better Zag aspect

fathom cloud
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Yeah I think I screwed up with my build then, I was on Artemis attack (rng) and Poseidon cast (keepsake) plus just cast boons

orchid kindle
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is there a board or something that you folks use to track heat records?

rain sedge
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you'd already qualify for mirage shot

fathom cloud
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Yeah but I got merked before it could take off

gaunt fiber
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what a connection we have Schad

orchid kindle
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ah cool I missed the little pinned icon, thanks!

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
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Like it or not

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it is what it is

orchid kindle
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are there particular rules for inclusion in the spreadsheet?
eg. I know that the speedrunning guys don't allow opening codex

gaunt fiber
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Nah it's not an ultra competitive spreadsheet

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There is no "rules"

orchid kindle
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👍 ty

gaunt fiber
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Just be careful with seeded/unseeded

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Oh and I forgot

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the first run submitted must be mirrorless to prove your worth

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(jk)

solemn pulsar
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i'll submit my diogenes run, but i won't be happy about it

mossy zinc
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Submissions need to be 32+.

solemn pulsar
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that's why I won't be happy, I'll be lying

rain sedge
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is there some sort of bug abuse

orchid kindle
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opening codex pauses the igt, but not animations, so you could do it while waiting for doors to open

rain sedge
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also @orchid kindle you must show death before run to prove it's unseeded

orchid kindle
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or for thanatos to give you a heart

rain sedge
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saving that spicy TD3 time

solemn pulsar
# rain sedge what? what is this rule

opening codex pauses the in game timer. there was a glitch where you could scoot yourself across a room after clearing it and not accrue time. they banned opening the codex while the clock is running to prevent speedruns from becoming just an hour of that around the actual gameplay.

That got patched, the only use it really has is waiting for thanatos to leave, but it's still not allowed

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for leaderboard submissions

orchid kindle
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if you really like pausing the timer, you can also try fishing in asphodel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4vodu-XUB4

Hades Speed Tech — Pause the in-game timer until the next time you take damage.

Technique:

  1. Find a fishing point in Asphodel.
  2. Walk (don't dash) towards the lava.
  3. Just before you walk onto the lava, press the fishing button. The goal is to to have momentum carry you onto the lava after the fishing point is triggered, during the 0.25 sec...
▶ Play video
solemn pulsar
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whoops you already answered @orchid kindle sorry

orchid kindle
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(also banned in speedruns)

rain sedge
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I see

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have fun high-heating

orchid kindle
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ty 🙂

mossy zinc
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Yeah, pausing the timer is definitely illegal.

solemn pulsar
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any heat glitchless

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other games speedruns have glitches, but Hades is kinda different IMO since it's completing a run, not completing a game.

Also with that glitch every run would be speedrun to asphodel, then don't get hit after that. or they'd switch to RTA

thorny coral
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Yep

true field
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newb question: what's the difference between seeded and unseeded, and how would i go about proving unseeded?

gaunt fiber
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You prove unseeded by showing previous death

true field
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can that be done in the records room, or do i need to record a video?

gaunt fiber
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Seeded means that you can alter the run to basically choose your boons, or even just give up if you have a nice hammer start

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You'll need a video yeah

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Giving up a run keeps the seed

true field
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i see, so you get the same roll next time?

sly remnant
gaunt fiber
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First room yeah

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later rooms are harder but can be routed

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so death is a proof it's not

true field
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okay, so i'd need to record from my previous death, through all the talking to people, selling my fish, etc, and show the entire run after that?

true field
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got it, thanks!

cinder cave
gaunt fiber
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Exactly

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Follow the teachings

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Imagine being able to change Zag's outfit at the mirror

sly remnant
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impressive time as well

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nice

mossy zinc
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Thank you!

rain sedge
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I half expected mirrorless lol

sly remnant
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it was the first thing i checked

mossy zinc
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lol

sly remnant
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you could do RI2 easier than most people

mossy zinc
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Why is there a "probably" in there?

sly remnant
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i mean i guess yea lol

mossy zinc
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Easy Infernal Gate in Elysium, too. squirtnya

sly remnant
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is that how you got athena legendary?

mossy zinc
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Nope. It was a Lady Aphrodite boon, so I had to enter. squirtnya

sly remnant
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lmao

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you got athena legendary with AP1 RI1 and i know you started with rosee

mossy zinc
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Slothful Favor and Yarn of Ariadne.

sly remnant
#

ah yea

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the slothful

mossy zinc
#

No, the Favor. The Slothful just made me slow for three chambers. dusa

sly remnant
#

levelling doom was Ap1 shenanigans i assume? not that its bad on special for rama

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actually its pretty good on rama

mossy zinc
#

It was that or Attack, yeah.

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That Doom did a lot of work.

sly remnant
#

ok. thanks for the talk. appreciate the help

mossy zinc
#

I see a lot of people take Blinding Flash over Brilliant Riposte every time, and m just like why would you ever do that. dusa

subtle raven
#

what's the recommended combination for 32 heat? i'm on hell mode

daring hedge
#

Lmao nyaanyaa no

rain sedge
#

I saw this coming from a mile away

rain sedge
#

general advice for first 32 heat, just adjust with your hell mode pacts

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not that much difference

unreal pasture
#

It's to activate Privileged Status... but you have Fam Fav

subtle raven
#

thanks

mossy zinc
#

I don't agree with any FO at 32 Heat at all. Just do FO0, that's so much easier.

dire steppe
mossy zinc
#

There are a lot of easier things that are 3 Heat.

rain sedge
#

tbh they're doing hell mode so probably doesn't have to take FO

subtle raven
#

are the hell mode forced pacts random?

sly remnant
#

no

rain sedge
#

imagine if it's random and you get slammed with RI or AP on your early playthrough

spring kettle
#

FO1 isn’t too bad

sly remnant
#

its HL1 LC 1 JS1 CP1 PL

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for hell mode

spring kettle
#

RI can’t show if you haven’t revealed all the mirror perks yet

daring hedge
unreal pasture
#

Probably the most obnoxious heat you can get...

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Hardest 32 heat possible challenge zaglol

rain sedge
#

what's the build for crush flare beowulf?

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@sly remnant ?

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I mean passion flare

sly remnant
#

at what heat

rain sedge
#

just a cute measly 19

sly remnant
#

okay

rain sedge
#

finishing my last 2 bounties

sly remnant
#

infernal soul passion flare snow burst

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there build is done

mossy zinc
#

Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air, Second Wind for invincibility.

sly remnant
#

you can go privileged status but its more high rolly and bad dwith charged shot

rain sedge
#

cool thanks both

sly remnant
#

mirage shot with arti attack and poseidon special is nice to have but not necessary

rain sedge
#

thats super high roll

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should've done privileged status tho

sly remnant
#

i don't like PS on the build

rain sedge
#

ohhh ravenous will works right?

sly remnant
#

bad with charged shot

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ravenous helps your neutral game

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its a lot worse with passion flare beo tho

rain sedge
#

does it count only for the last cast hit?

sly remnant
#

ye exactly

rain sedge
#

ok nvm then

sly remnant
#

super good with dio beo while recharging tho and arti attack

rain sedge
#

gonna run bone hourglass strat

sly remnant
#

hourglass is legit

subtle raven
#

should i get the aegis hidden aspect before doing 32 heat?

sly remnant
#

if you want to

rain sedge
#

it's not the best 32 heat weapon

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not even top 5 for your first run

subtle raven
#

should have clarified, i pretty much only use shield

rain sedge
#

I can see you typing tyler

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don't @ me

sly remnant
#

hidden aspect isn't the easiest to play

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but its quite good at 32

rain sedge
#

easy chamber 12 smoldering air

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it doesnt play like a usual shield

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just play chaos or zag aspect

sly remnant
#

^these are easier to play

rain sedge
#

zeus is a bit harder if you're not used to it

mossy zinc
#

I don't think hidden shield is particularly difficult to play, though.

rain sedge
#

oh god smoldering air second wind

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I'm invincible

mossy zinc
#

Use it if you want to. It's gonna be low level, though, if you just unlocked it.

true fable
#

i think relatively it can be

rain sedge
#

I thought it doesnt matter what level it is

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it's just the bull rush + damage right?

true fable
#

especially when youre comparing its ease of use to chaos shield

rain sedge
#

minimum increase

mossy zinc
#

What's difficult about mash Cast button and Dragon Rush? squirtnya

sly remnant
#

you forgot Kappa

rain sedge
#

oh god I do love phasing alecto with 1 hit

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this has been a fun run

true fable
#

what's difficult about bull rushing and pressing special?

mossy zinc
#

They're broth braindead.

sly remnant
#

lmfao beo braindead

mossy zinc
#

For a real aspect, you gotta play Guan Yu mirrorless.

rain sedge
#

you forgot the kappa again

gaunt fiber
#

46 Rama pog

rain sedge
#

is charged shot good for beo?

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, I could only do it thanks to the Eternal Rose.

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Charged Shot is okay. I don't like it personally tbh.

sly remnant
#

it only really falls off at mega high heat because its not as safe

rain sedge
#

does it have a weird hitbox thing with passion flare?

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because last time I tried this

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my casts just wont hit

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but now switch is patched

sly remnant
#

its fixed now

dire steppe
#

nya when are you gonna do 45 heat with only aphrodite boons

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
true fable
#

charged shot falls off for all shields on high heat because it's generally less safe

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but i still take it on zag shield bc im greedy

sly remnant
#

i mean i think its fine even up through 40 heat

#

its really not until 45ish that charged shot becomes real bad

gaunt fiber
#

To @rain sedge about mirrorless GY

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Nvm it quoted actually we Gucci

true fable
#

yeah i meant for 45ish

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when you actually need the extra dash

vague pumice
#

Hello everyone. I'm kinda new to the game, can someone help me with the 32heat pact set up?

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I'm not sure what to choose

chilly sun
#

i can try to help!

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what weapon are you using, first and foremost?

tidal flame
#

I think you can make a pact that makes sense to you and we can critique from there, also

vague pumice
#

mostly Eris and the bows. Sometimes messing with up with poseidon's sword

vague pumice
gaunt fiber
#

Don't RI4

tidal flame
#

lol

gaunt fiber
#

Some lost souls here may suggest it

chilly sun
#

if you are using ranged weapons, i think you can dump some of your heat into jard labor

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hard*

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because realistically you won't get hit often since you're fighting from a distance

true fable
#

hard labor is a pact thats good to get used to as well

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if you plan to go up

chilly sun
#

im not very familiar with the rail but privileged status can carry you on its back as well because it significantly improves your damage

true fable
#

i have had hard labor 5 on for at least the past 100 runs above 32

chilly sun
#

so i personally didnt go above RI1

#

uhhh dont choose extreme measures 4 just. dont

tidal flame
#

at 32 I think HL2 or HL3 is good to start with

true fable
#

RI1 and AP1 arent generally recommended for 32

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hell they arent usually recommended for 40

spring kettle
#

Because you want the strongest possible build, right

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah nothing that alters your build

spring kettle
#

And losing those starting rerolls hurts

chilly sun
#

ewhdkjwwj my chosen pact thingys must've been very wonky, then sadcat

vague pumice
true fable
#

how quickly do you usually clear runs

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on say, 0 heat

vague pumice
#

20min avg, but I usually don't care about time and don't things like pausing for choosing rooms and stuff

tidal flame
#

looking good tbh. I think I would go TD2 and take 1 point off Lastingconquences and 1 point off Jury Summons

vague pumice
#

don't do things*

true fable
#

what foxhope said

vague pumice
#

I'll try that. Thank you everyone, appreciate it 😄

tidal flame
#

Just consciously go fast gl!

spring kettle
#

And pause when you're making decisions

vague pumice
true fable
#

yeah do it even if you're just walking into a shop or something

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there's no faster decision making than instant

spring kettle
#

Yeah, I think my runs are around 30 minutes solely because I consult the codex for boon prereqs and duos a lot

true fable
#

pausing makes all your decisions instant

spring kettle
#

But on my current run I'm running TD1, so I'm trying to stop doing that

shy plinth
#

The codex stops the timer

spring kettle
#

Hmm, good to know

true fable
#

dont run codex if you plan on submitting to src

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it will immediately disqualify your run

#

just as a disclaimer

sly remnant
#

i thought it was okay to bring up when the game is paused normally

true fable
#

yeah like in boon menus or story rooms

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otherwise it will disqualify

dire steppe
#

do 50+ heat runners abuse codex for td3 reasons

sly remnant
#

nope

shy plinth
#

Is it the than thing

sly remnant
#

or atleast i don't

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i don't imagine tailesque, bablo, or retrash do from what i've seen

true fable
sly remnant
#

i don't think i've actually ever seen any of them open the codex

true fable
#

so you can still walk + codex your way across the room, albeit much more slowly than before

shy plinth
spring kettle
#

I thought top speedrunners had boon prereqs memorized

true fable
#

yeah for the most part

sly remnant
#

sometimes i get nervous when i keep missing on a boon

true fable
#

knowledge varies pretty widely too

sly remnant
#

if i'm not as familiar with the weapon

true fable
#

i know some people still dont know that hunter dash doesnt unlock many artemis duos

shy plinth
#

The deadly reversal prereqs for artie always confuse me

#

I think it's the 4 base but NOT dash?

spring kettle
#

And to get cold fusion you need a demeter core that isn't your cast

sly remnant
#

curse of vengeance enables things you wouldn't expect it too as well

gaunt fiber
#

I saw Bablo do it once for Than

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I don't remember the context

vague pumice
gaunt fiber
#

Codex I mean

chilly sun
#

stubborn defiance requires a lot of skill, personally i went with DD

#

i can't speak for everyone but i think it's a bit of a preference thing

gaunt fiber
#

actually it requires less skill

#

I can die every time

#

Just not as good for bosses ofc

chilly sun
#

maybe its because i combined it with lasting consequences

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah sure SD is tied with LC4 imo

chilly sun
#

and the megagorgon and pillar miniboss is hell on earth for melee weapon

gaunt fiber
dire steppe
#

but 40 boonless’s been done

gaunt fiber
#

Eternal Rose dude

chilly sun
#

good job holy heck

gaunt fiber
#

Come on

chilly sun
#

the aphrodite simping is real and here for it

mossy zinc
#

Thank you!

true fable
#

hey congrats!

gaunt fiber
true fable
#

was it the run after i left?

spring kettle
#

that's some dedication

chilly sun
true fable
#

SD just means you have to be on your a game vs bosses

gaunt fiber
#

Wat

mossy zinc
true fable
#

dangit we dont need more tis droolers in here

chilly sun
#

im not a drooler!!

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah so I basically watched 5 minutes

mossy zinc
chilly sun
#

holds her hand respectfully

mossy zinc
true fable
#

theres so many of them!

gaunt fiber
#

It's like you do it on purpose

chilly sun
#

all gay people do is stan tisiphone, use antos and lie

mossy zinc
#

Yes, m testing your devotion.

#

Clearly you're not dropping everything to watch as soon as I start streaming.

true fable
#

lol

gaunt fiber
#

Lmao

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You know what

#

Send me an alert squirtyay

mossy zinc
#

How about you just try harder.

gaunt fiber
#

Your schedule is as irregular as it can get

mossy zinc
#

m a passionate streamer who follows her heart and doesn't need a schedule.

gaunt fiber
#

Ok that's valid

#

I'll guess with my powers

dire steppe
#

will simp for anyone who can do 50 hera

mossy zinc
#

You don't need to guess, just check my stream every 5 minutes to see if m live.

gaunt fiber
#

Or never quit the stream, get it on every device I can everywhere I go

#

Yeah should be doable

mossy zinc
#

See? You can do it if you try.

#

2.06/3 average viewers for affiliate. m almost famous.

gaunt fiber
#

Pretty sure I'm the 2.06

dire steppe
#

I’m the .06

gaunt fiber
#

Does not add up

daring hedge
#

You have to simp for me now

dire steppe
#

guess i’m simpson now

#

hope you’re not a minor

daring hedge
#

I am not

mossy zinc
#

Tailesque is a fox.

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah I can't remember the game tho

mossy zinc
#

Best male player is a fox. Best female player is a cat girl.

#

The humans gotta step it up.

vital grove
#

Oh no

#

Haelian, Baj and Vorime are the best

#

😉

gaunt fiber
#

🍿

mossy zinc
#

I don't think Vorime is even in the conversation for best. thanthink

vital grove
#

He is, we're talking about it

gaunt fiber
#

He's impressive

vital grove
#

That fresh run he did? That's some skill

#

And Haelian doing 17000+ damage in one hit? Top that one

mossy zinc
vital grove
#

Exactly, he used Than

sly remnant
#

Vorime, bablo, and duunk0 should all be in the conversation for the best

tidal flame
#

Well Vorime and duunk0, JDN, and others can be up there for speedrunning purposes

#

For high heat, yeah, I won't bet on them

sly remnant
#

(even if best hades player is the dumbest conversation we could possibly have)

tidal flame
#

Bablo though 👀

sly remnant
#

and the idea that those players couldn't do high heat if they wanted to just isn't correct

#

they just don't want to

mossy zinc
tidal flame
#

true. but im talking current standing

sly remnant
#

that doesn't make them worse players

tidal flame
#

I won't expect Vorime to clear 55 Heat this week but he can a couple of weeks down the line.

mossy zinc
#

Yeah, but he can't do it now.

tidal flame
#

exactly

#

that's the point right now

sly remnant
#

heat number isn't everything

spring kettle
#

Vorime just lives that fresh file% life

#

a respectable choice

#

and fresh file% is really hard because no dadhammers, no house contractor upgrades, only 4 gods

tidal flame
#

People excels at what they practice the most, what a novel concept.

sly remnant
#

being good at high heat doesn't make you the best hades player

#

it makes you the best high heat player

#

they are different things

dire steppe
#

hades heat scale should be normalized to 50. Oh you play 32 heat? You mean -18?

mossy zinc
#

Best player in general would be rated on all of those things.

tidal flame
gaunt fiber
#

I'm a casual -10 heat player

#

Life is good

vital grove
#

50 heat? I play on 500 heat

#

Tight Deadling 14, Hard Labor 80, Benefits Package All Of It

spring kettle
#

I'm a -40 heat player

vital grove
#

And Cerberus is the final boss

gaunt fiber
#

Already is

dire steppe
#

there shouldn’t be a cap on HL

vital grove
#

But first you have to beat Nyx and Persephone

dire steppe
#

HLinfinity hitless

spring kettle
#

I want HL20

#

Enemies do 6x damage

gaunt fiber
#

No HL cap = GY best aspect

spring kettle
#

if you get hit by one, yuo die instantly

sly remnant
#

didn't this use to be the way heat worked

#

runs took forever but you just never took a move that wasn't 100%

daring hedge
#

The hard labor equivalent went up to 500% and there was no TD, yeah

gaunt fiber
#

Lmao

spring kettle
#

Heat was distributed differently

#

Routine inspection used to be budget cuts and the first level cut the amount of usable darkness down to 2500

#

Which is way worse than it is now

daring hedge
#

Last level restricted it to 500 darkness

#

You basically got your DDs, extra dash and some backstab, and that was it

gaunt fiber
#

That's plenty

ripe crane
#

Yeah that seems away better than RI3

daring hedge
#

yeah it wasn't the worst; the main thing people hated about it was that unlike modern RI, instead of crossing out the options but leaving in the darkness investment... iirc it took out your darkness directly every time you toggled stifling darkness/budget cuts and you had to manually put everything back every time

#

which was rather unavoidable given how it works compared to RI

#

but it was a little annoying

dire steppe
#

you should be able to pick which ones you deactivate for RI tbh

#

bye shadow presence, FF, and deep pockets

mossy zinc
#

Real gamers do RI4.

gaunt fiber
lusty mirage
#

Bright01 just did his 40 heat GY

#

ended up with a demeter heavy build

mossy zinc
#

Mirrorless?

lusty mirage
#

nope mirrorful

north dove
#

why do JS1 unarmored witches room in tartarus feel like JS1000 squirtmeh

gaunt fiber
gaunt fiber
lusty mirage
gaunt fiber
#

Ofc he wins when I'm not watching

daring hedge
#

Their low difficulty value, yeah

sly remnant
#

or where they do that stupid thing where they spawn in one at a time

mossy zinc
#

Is it stupid or strategic?

sly remnant
#

Atleast when numbskulls do it they'll come to me unlike witches which scatter to the 4 winds

gaunt fiber
#

I'd rather have them spawn one at a time

#

Only one witch on my screen

#

Bliss

rain sedge
#

I'd take one of a time

#

sometimes you get seeker cloner witches, and I'd rather have that 1 at a time

rain sedge
#

if you take CP2 and win, you'll be king retrash

north dove
#

I'm not doing CP2 with TD3

#

that's just madness

rain sedge
#

but it's for the throne 😦

#

just need to RNG your way to enough free rooms

proud jay
#

my 40 heat runs take so long i get a tartarus thumbnail instead of asphodel by default

gaunt fiber
#

strange

#

no asphodel

#

dark magic it is

unreal pasture
#

@mossy zinc I had a random thought/question...
Is it Aeris or Aerith? thanthink

#

the most important questions of our era

gaunt fiber
#

Both squirtyay

unreal pasture
#

I got stuck thinking about that for like... almost an hour

gaunt fiber
#

I think Aerith is the correct translation

unreal pasture
#

Yeah... I think in the original translation they called her "Aerith"
But Aeris, seems like it's more proper... considering it's attempting to get at Greek mythos (like Hades) with the "Eris", Cloud "Strife" and others but

gaunt fiber
#

Not sure about that

#

The earth anagram matters (near anagram I should say)

#

omg Aphrodite is typing

raw crown
#

I'm not high heat but I got a question cause I kinda don't understand

#

So do you have to do heat bounties for all weapons and escape before you get to the next heat? Or?

unreal pasture
#

Yes

gaunt fiber
#

thanks god no you don't

shy plinth
#

Wait no

unreal pasture
#

Well, you can't get rewards... sorry

#

I was assuming to "get to the next heat" meant "to get bounties from the next heat"

gaunt fiber
#

You can add heat as you wish but you will get the reward for the lowest heat non completed

raw crown
#

Yea bounties from the next heat I meant

unreal pasture
#

You can turn it all the way up immediately, if you want, you just will get the heat reward of your last completed one

#

Mmk

#

So if you've beat heat 0, get all rewards, you turn it onto heat 63...
you'll get your heat 1 rewards

#

And your next completed run, heat 2... and so on

raw crown
#

Ohhh okay, so I have to clear heat 1 with all weapons?

unreal pasture
#

uh... if you want to get bounties asap, yea

raw crown
#

Ahh okay, thank you!

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah you'll see that going heat 1,2,3 etc is boring

#

so you could do 20 runs at 20 heat to get everything

shy plinth
#

The important thing to note is that you can't farm the first boss or whatever by going up one heat at a time and dying

raw crown
#

I think I'll hold off on it for a while because I'm not good at playing with the bow

shy plinth
#

To get the next set of bounties you have to clear

gaunt fiber
#

Sure thing

shy plinth
#

So if you clear heat 1 with, say, sword and then you crank up the heat to 2 and beat the first two bosses, even if you turn the heat up to 3 after that, the game will still give you heat 2 rewards

#

So you'll get darkness for first two bosses

gaunt fiber
#

I was doing bounties like that

#

Then I wanted 32 at some point

raw crown
#

I think I understand it now, thank you all for the help Z_LLheart

gaunt fiber
#

At your service

unreal pasture
#

if only it was nyaa able to help aphrodite 😿

#

truly missed her chance

gaunt fiber
#

I'm a decent replacement I'd say

sly remnant
#

thats like saying eisenhower's dog is a good replacement for eisenhower leading the invasion of normandy

gaunt fiber
#

So I'm a dog

#

YAY

sly remnant
#

lol ily astaos

#

i truly do

#

but when the opportunity presents itself

gaunt fiber
#

lmao

#

You're lucky she's not around

#

You'd get scolded

somber leaf
#

is there no way to dash in one direction and attack in another on a controller? it seems like it would be a HUGE buff

serrated point keeps missing haha

gaunt fiber
#

Of course it's possible

#

Requires a bit of practice but it's mandatory

ripe crane
#

Where are the 58s

#

Don't make me do this myself

gaunt fiber
#

DO IT

sly remnant
#

58 is just a number

#

it does'nt matter

rain sedge
ripe crane
#

I am kinda burnt out tbh.

rain sedge
#

I totally get you

#

that's why I'm doing casual stuff, high heat can be really painful

gaunt fiber
#

Same

sly remnant
#

high heat is really cool to learn in

#

but kinda sucks to play

ripe crane
#

I was on (tied) top for a day and that was beaten in less than 24 hours. Kinda did not feel like trying after that xd

gaunt fiber
#

I'd say it's fun until your build is altered

rain sedge
#

that's why you should take your revenge

#

do 58

#

also crepes I finally did my first hestia clear

#

it was actually quite fun

#

I might do more

gaunt fiber
#

I gave up Hestia because it gave me my first 5 sack ever

ripe crane
#

Hesty is big fun

rain sedge
#

after rebinding keys it's fun

#

I went full chad build, hunter dash instead of athena dash

gaunt fiber
#

something that feels so good with Hestia

#

Reloading and aiming for a foe targeted by hunter's mark

#

the sweet crit

#

it sings to me

rain sedge
#

oh damn I should've thought of that

#

it's only 15% chance crit tho on attack

#

I took aphrodite attack for the consistent damage

gaunt fiber
#

Does it matter that much when you have 150 base that can crit?

#

We'll let Crepes answer

ripe crane
#

Artemis owns when you have other attack boosts. If you somehow have literally nothing else it's meh

#

Basically I always take it if not shackling

gaunt fiber
#

Nice

#

I was always taking it too

rain sedge
#

"somehow"?

#

isnt there only your attack boon and chaos that boost it

#

and hunter dash

#

how does empowering flight works on zeus shield? every hit of the special gives 2 attacks +80% damage?

#

isn't that super broken?

ripe crane
#

I have such good luck right now on this run I am so nervous though lol. Not great for a de-rust run

rain sedge
#

what heat ?

gaunt fiber
#

don't talk about it

rain sedge
#

oh yea I forgot this channel is cursed

ripe crane
#
  1. Nvm got killed my extra strong strongbows. Right after I got a greatest reflex :(
#

Was too aggro

gaunt fiber
#

The curse once again

rain sedge
ripe crane
#

Epic backstab chaos boon, artemis attack, battle rage, greatest reflex, poseidon aid and dash... Really could not have asked for more with AP2. Should've just been more careful 😢

rain sedge
#

issa curse

#

not about being careful

#

merciful ending really is the hardest duo to get huh

shy plinth
#

I think so

#

Cold fusion is kinda narrow but ME is probs the hardest

rain sedge
#

I qualify for it like, 5 rolls ago

#

this always happens with merciful ending

shy plinth
#

Oh, so you're just getting unlucky

proud jay
#

vengeful mood requires 3 boons

#

even if it's 3x 1 of 5

rain sedge
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yea I'm not getting it this run

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I got both requirements at tartarus and here we are at dad

proud jay
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yeah that's how it be

rain sedge
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I feel like this always happens with merciful ending

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other than that one time I got cucked out of heart rend 20 times other duos arent this bad

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but somehow ME it's always like this

true fable
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most of my chaos runs today ended up fulfilling vengeful mood prereqs tbh

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i think i couldve cleared without a 5 sack but

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that just means i have to go again

rain sedge
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congrats on 24x40 bright

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now bablo it and do it consecutively

true fable
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thank you

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i would first have to learn GY

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properly

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and a number of other aspects

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going for just completion means you can high roll over and over again

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which is what i did after losing my fourth clear

proud jay
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yeah i constantly have to explain why i pretty much never high roll in winstreak runs

true fable
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yeah streaking is much harder than completing

proud jay
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people are just used to seeing it i guess

true fable
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i ran TD3 for most of mine

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but i get why you wanted to run TD2

proud jay
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the first streak was mostly TD3

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and almost died in tartarus and styx sometimes

true fable
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yeah its not worth

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getting 5 sacked during my 50 heat chaos shield run broke my spirit for a short bit today

sly remnant
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just saying....yall should tune into crepes stream right now

true fable
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literally two runs to EM4 dad phase 3

rain sedge
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what's up

tiny bay
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Hey for starters what should I do

true fable
tiny bay
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I have no idea what I am doing

sly remnant
true fable
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for... heat? or just clears?

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@tiny bay

tiny bay
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Only staring at nyx’s big boobas

true fable
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oh yeah i have the stream up dw

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solid

sly remnant
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oh cool

tiny bay
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Best way

rain sedge
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is that divine dash with extra DD on AP2

sly remnant
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yessir

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he coulda had 2 extra DDs but he forgot to die

rain sedge
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dood

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crepes is at styx for 58 with 2 DD and divine dash

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this could be it

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and patty

sly remnant
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nvm

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sack is ruining everything

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sack is fine

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jUsT dOnT tAkE tD3

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5 sacked

proud jay
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4+

sly remnant
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4 sack thanks for the correction bablo

rain sedge
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did anyone actually ever talk to amir about this sac situation

unreal pasture
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I don't remember katakana off hand... but I would suspect it romanizes to "Aerisu" ... so it could go both ways

mossy zinc
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Earisu. It's Aerith officially and was always meant to be.

true fable
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ICYMI

sly remnant
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2 sack with 4:37 left

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tune into delicious crepes

ripe crane
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Phew, doesn't take many mistakes to lose that fight. Might get there eventually. Thanks for hangin y'all

vital grove
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Aspect of Aeris

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Aspect of aEris

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Aerith in Hades confirmed

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
mossy zinc
ripe crane
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Literally just tell the game what you want

mossy zinc
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Will do. Thanks!

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Or is this evidence that Amir is watching our streams and flipping switches?

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11/24 aspects done sub 12.

rain sedge
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huh... apparently hades is £10 off

toxic token
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the bounties reach until heat 20?

rain sedge
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yep

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ah that's only epic store, and I think epic doesn't have achievements?

clever otter
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it does, apparently, but i think you can only view them in game. im not sure, i havent played it there since achievements were implemented

rain sedge
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thanks alma, I might just get it then since it's £10 cheaper there

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should be no difference otherwise I think

gaunt fiber
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Schad | Epic Casual Gamer

rain sedge
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yea pretty close to buying it