h1-high-heat-strategies

[rain sedge]

oh got it next room

easy peasy

[dire steppe]

or if you have Dying Lament you can take advantage of it in rooms

[rain sedge]

I have fiery strike so rather not have a dying lament

[dire steppe]

What is fiery strike

Oh fiery presence

[daring hedge]

fiery presence

[rain sedge]

whoops lol

[dire steppe]

if rama special was nerfed to 2 arrows would fiery presence become meta

[rain sedge]

I forgot black shawl is only 20%

barely worth it

[true fable]

what would that change

[dire steppe]

then with DC2 you can proc it on the first powershot

[rain sedge]

that's pretty big brain

[true fable]

i feel like the arrow bounces would make it unreliable

also backstabs are much better for bosses

[daring hedge]

yeah

and even if it was consistent, rama with proper power shot usage kind of doesn't need it for normal enemies

[true fable]

ok im back to my GY containment

[rain sedge]

still at 40 GY?

isnt that your last one

[true fable]

yeah

[rain sedge]

have you considered unironically resetting until you get charged skewer

[true fable]

if anyone wants to give me tips roast me i will be live on twitch dot television

ive considered it

[rain sedge]

fun fact: the .tv doesn't stand for television, but for tuvalu, an island nation which gets a lot of money by letting people us .tv

[true fable]

doubt

[dire steppe]

that’s true actually

[true fable]

you dont expect me to just believe schad do you

[dire steppe]

same for .io

[rain sedge]

whoa whoa whoa

[lusty mirage]

when's that going to be? i like to watch GY

[true fable]

right now i'll put it up in self promos i suppose

[gaunt fiber]

OH

YES

[gaunt fiber]

when people like to watch GY but not to play it

[lusty mirage]

oh i play it a lot

[gaunt fiber]

My worst runs are when I'm streaming ofc

[rain sedge]

it's called schadenfreude astaos

my namesake

[gaunt fiber]

I guess so

[rain sedge]

all aspects 32+ done

[gaunt fiber]

gg boyo

[rain sedge]

I'm starting to like this hestia

it's actually pretty enjoyable not gonna lie

[gaunt fiber]

it is

[daring hedge]

nyx really said do high heat for clout https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/788888361217163285/20201216154701_1.jpg

[gaunt fiber]

** O V E R E X T E N D**

[rain sedge]

oh bright got charged skewer

[mossy zinc]

I think you didn't listen to the last sentence at all.

Probably all you heard was "if you can overcome [all of] the conditions of the Pact [at once]" and went straight ahead to do that.

[mossy zinc]

Sorry, as I've said many times, I only watch good players.

[sly remnant]

must be hell for you to upload your videos

[mossy zinc]

Actually, super easy, barely an inconvenience.

[sly remnant]

lmao

[gaunt fiber]

@rain sedge

CROSS

[shy plinth]

It's here!!!

[sly remnant]

@rain sedge this is it

join us in th epromised land

[gaunt fiber]

@rain sedge @rain sedge

[mossy zinc]

The next message better have three @mentions.

[rain sedge]

YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I was literally just done all aspect 32 and was about to quit

[mossy zinc]

Time to remove the "Casual" in your name.

And the "Switch".

[rain sedge]

I mean it's kinda late now

like

what else is left for me

[mossy zinc]

Just Schad | Player now.

[rain sedge]

just 54 heat for clout

[mossy zinc]

High heat and speedruns.

[rain sedge]

no. speedrun is RNG city and not worth my sanity

well I've done all the high heat i need

if this came like, 2 weeks ago I'd be up for it

damn I could've played my hera without bug and run shackle hestia

or skull earring

[shy plinth]

Now you get to try post patch weapons

[rain sedge]

what other big changes am I missing?

what should I try?

[shy plinth]

Achilles

[rain sedge]

isnt the change reverted

[shy plinth]

The input buffering

I think they did something like that with gy and gilg too

[mossy zinc]

You don't need to go for WR speedruns, but just trying to get e.g. sub 12 all weapons can be a lot of fun.

[mossy zinc]

They did.

[rain sedge]

ah yeah the 2 weapons I will never touch again

I'm downloading the update now

OH

the house contractor stuff!

[mossy zinc]

Gilgamesh is a lot better now.

[rain sedge]

oh and I also lose sea storm eris right

mmm shackle buff, skull earring buffs

let me read patch note actually

[shy plinth]

Bow special damage nerfed overall

[rain sedge]

ohhh right. 4s eris

uhhhh charon fight pillars can be destroyed for y'all?

[north dove]

wdym? they get destroyed when he changes phases

[rain sedge]

cool, because that does not happen for me

just reading through old patch notes

Huge Catch (Poseidon): Conch Shell Keepsake now works as a prerequisite for this to be offered

This would've been useful

oooo the eris effect is pretty

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it is

[rain sedge]

uh the sundial doesn't tell me the correct time?

[north dove]

I don't know what you're talking about, it's obviously 7:48

[sly remnant]

its 7:50ish

[rain sedge]

I see it's a meme

ok, I really would've liked this 3 days ago when I started doing all aspects 32, but here we are

maybe all aspects 40?

or eris 54 on hell mode?

[shy plinth]

All aspects mirrorless

[gaunt fiber]

^

[true fable]

big day for schad

[true fable]

you know, you're not wrong

just mean

[gaunt fiber]

One day she'll watch me playin

[mossy zinc]

I watch you playing.

[gaunt fiber]

I'm so trash on stream

rip

[true fable]

lol

what's stopping you from streaming

[gaunt fiber]

I do to record runs

I just don't post it

I got a good boyo that hangs around frequently too

[true fable]

just post it

[gaunt fiber]

haha

I don't talk anyway

[lusty mirage]

I was watching Astaos' stream earlier today

[gaunt fiber]

the demeter start

a disaster

But it can be good I think

[true fable]

i was about to ask what your twitch handle was

lol

[gaunt fiber]

I'm original

[true fable]

dont i follow you?

[gaunt fiber]

Lemme check

[plush scaffold]

so this is where the high-heat gang secretly talk ! good run btw Bright was fun to watch

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah we hide here

with a big HIGH HEAT STRATEGIES sign

[gaunt fiber]

what you do

[plush scaffold]

well I never really checked Supergiant discord ^_^

[true fable]

LOL hello lili

[gaunt fiber]

I mean I know the existence of the speedrun discord

but still

[true fable]

will we see some high heat rail action now

[plush scaffold]

I let that to the big boyo

[gaunt fiber]

Lili I have a question

How do you keep your sanity while resetting that much?

[plush scaffold]

I just like getting the perfect build running. it's not so much about free rooms and such, but seeing how a rail aspect can perform with the almost perfect build until Hades feels really nice

[gaunt fiber]

Oh I see

I don't like resetting because I like consistency. The idea of winning because I'm carried by my build is so bad for me. That's why I don't do speedruns. But I know that you have to play well too, hard to explain

Like your 1.0 run was sick

[plush scaffold]

Consistency and high-rolling are two different mindsets, but I enjoy seeing people playing either of them

[true fable]

it's less about being "carried by build" than seeing if you can execute given all the pieces for me

[gaunt fiber]

That's true too

I'm hard on myself sometimes

But losing with charged skewer is just disgrace to me lmao

[true fable]

well

you saw my stream

LMAO

[gaunt fiber]

You're not used to GY yet it's ok

your rotation is ok, you just do things a bit slowly and miss opportunities to spin

Also sometimes you do full charge skewers while enemies have a bit of armor

[lusty mirage]

playing GY on mouse/keyboard - focus on strengths (precise aim with special can hit more enemies by aiming between them, also can do "circular dash-strikes" rather than just towards the enemy)

[gaunt fiber]

^

I wonder if I should disable auto aim

[lusty mirage]

also spin-dash tricks

[gaunt fiber]

sometimes Zag just dabs

[lusty mirage]

on mkb i disable auto aim

[gaunt fiber]

I tried once, 280 hours of gamin ago with rail on pad

never again

[lusty mirage]

but also trying to learn it on controller

[sly remnant]

bright stream over 😦

[proud jay]

im not sure which one is harder: streaking stuff at 40 heat or getting through with highlighting all the runs

[mossy zinc]

[sly remnant]

are you putting all the runs up

Pog

[proud jay]

at least the first rotation

[sly remnant]

gonna put up your beo so i can go smash it

[gaunt fiber]

I want one video only

[mossy zinc]

The hardest part is finding runs that aren't yours on the high heat leaderboard if you submit all of them.

[sly remnant]

Kappa

[proud jay]

im not going to submit them

[gaunt fiber]

thanks buddy

I already feel bad about my one run submitted

[proud jay]

maybe a link to the playlist if it fits anywhere

[mossy zinc]

You can have the record for most submissions and most aspects submitted.

[plush scaffold]

are you still on the streak Bablo ?

[proud jay]

yeah

[sly remnant]

lol lili

dusa react is different here

[proud jay]

it's more like :cringe:

[mossy zinc]

Maybe @shy plinth can add some way to submit 40 Heat win streaks? Maybe some people will pick it up and try their own streaks.

[plush scaffold]

just a thumb up then ? internet is hard

[proud jay]

this channel is just weird

[gaunt fiber]

what Dusa has different meanings?

[sly remnant]

yea in speedrun discord its a good thing. normally for people submitting PBs and stuff

[mossy zinc]

here means everything you want it to mean, and everything you don't want it to mean.

[gaunt fiber]

a good thing, what an odd idea

Dusa is mystery

[mossy zinc]

We do high heat. We don't feel good things anymore.

[gaunt fiber]

that's

almost true

[sly remnant]

idk i feel relief when i finish a run

relief is a good feeling

[gaunt fiber]

I don't anymore

But the mirrorless one

damn

[sly remnant]

shoot

[true fable]

@lusty mirage what do you mean by circular dash strikes

[gaunt fiber]

Tomorrow I'll keep tryting demeter start with some DDs

[sly remnant]

i went to cut paste my code but then talked in here and lost my code

[gaunt fiber]

we'll see

[mossy zinc]

Relief is just the absence of bad feelings for a brief moment in time.

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao that's very optimistic

[mossy zinc]

I take it back. I don't watch your streams.

[lusty mirage]

where you dash along a series of tangents of an imaginary circle around the enemy, while aiming the attacks at the enemy

[true fable]

i also think i should just turn off auto aim for spears

[gaunt fiber]

Eternal rose then

[sly remnant]

its the same concept as dashing perpendicular to whatever enemy you are approaching bright

[mossy zinc]

I took back what I took back. Astaos is a good player.

[mossy zinc]

This right here, fellow Underworldians, is how you play if you actually try to unlock the true ending.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/630312677855461377/774519226211762206/772250944590839808.gif

[gaunt fiber]

Just look this power

the power of shaping the meta

[plush scaffold]

are you playing KBM ?

[gaunt fiber]

by force of will and terror

[proud jay]

A T H E N A B E S T G I R L

[sly remnant]

my secret ending is dio telling me that he has something special for me and surely i'll get out this time with this gift. And then its a crossed out epic trippy flare.

[gaunt fiber]

Don't even need the summon, good luck boyo

[true fable]

indeed

[sly remnant]

bright is kbm yea. in fact all the shield mains in this chat are

[mossy zinc]

@shy plinth is it possible to have the submission form automatically reject any runs from bablo? Please look into that.

[true fable]

LOL

corruption

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-sassy-and-what-about-it-gif-11678280

[plush scaffold]

I thought I was some kind of an "anomaly" in Hades ^_^

[gaunt fiber]

You are

[true fable]

there are at least 4 of us

!

so many

[gaunt fiber]

Baj too tho

[proud jay]

^ was about to say that

[gaunt fiber]

kbm are good players

like

how

[proud jay]

kbm has some advantages

[sly remnant]

i mean i think there's a reason all the kbm players play shield and rail

[gaunt fiber]

yeah that's true

[proud jay]

i feel like sword would be best on kbm

[sly remnant]

its nice for dash strikes but movement gets a bit weird when not dashing

[true fable]

^

[proud jay]

could pull off the jerds hybrid

[sly remnant]

i've considered it

[proud jay]

controller left hand, mouse right

[plush scaffold]

I only play rail because it's (objectively) the best weapon =p. Nothing to do with kbm

[gaunt fiber]

I watched Vorime recently, a beast with sword really. And still pad

[mossy zinc]

@plush scaffold you should do some high heat and increase the female high-heat population from 1 to 2.

[sly remnant]

um

[plush scaffold]

I'm a guy though sorry

[gaunt fiber]

double

lmao

[true fable]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

Rip

[mossy zinc]

lmao

[gaunt fiber]

see Nyaanyaa

you should not assume gender

[mossy zinc]

The one time I assume based on a name.

Alright, guess I remain uncontested #1.

[shy plinth]

PC is fun

[true fable]

wins by default

[shy plinth]

Uhhh okay streaks are going to be self-reported

[true fable]

the best kind

[gaunt fiber]

how do we say again

[plush scaffold]

No worries, it's a weird internet name for a guy for sure, it's just my daughter "nickname"

[gaunt fiber]

A big fish in a small pond?

[mossy zinc]

Who are you calling big?

[gaunt fiber]

the fish

[sly remnant]

i have a 100 win 50 heat streak add it to the board pls

[lusty mirage]

heh i tried that briefly

[shy plinth]

I'll pencil it in

[gaunt fiber]

wait does it work

[true fable]

how do you that

[sly remnant]

jerds has a guide on howw to set it up i htink

[mossy zinc]

Should require a link to a playlist, I think. Maybe that'll work?

[shy plinth]

Sure, we can do it, it would probably be a different form

[sly remnant]

thanks for yall figuring out a way to track streaks ❤️

i know its jank but its cool

[gaunt fiber]

will people do streaks tho?

[mossy zinc]

m getting distracted from finishing this po----.

Dunno if they will, but I like to support things.

[shy plinth]

I think a multi-run form would be the way to go

[gaunt fiber]

Get back on challenge runs

[proud jay]

are there others really doing streaks? could just add a section for honorable mentions or something like that

[shy plinth]

Can report all-aspect or all-weapon clears, self-reported categories

Streaks etc

[gaunt fiber]

ok

GY streaks

soon

[mossy zinc]

Maybe there will be once yours is on the board.

[sly remnant]

i mean thats why i'm starting with an all weapons EM4 challenge. so that i can do some 40 heat streaking

[proud jay]

alright cool

[true fable]

if you count 3 as a streak

:^)

[proud jay]

i still feel like streaks and other challenges could fit in a same section

[true fable]

LOL

[shy plinth]

It'll probably be a catch-all multi-run challenge form

[true fable]

i'll probably give it a shot again later on in life

[shy plinth]

Most of it will be self-entered

[mossy zinc]

"Honorable Mentions" is already for runs that have no video lol.

[shy plinth]

Player name, link to playlist, heat level, description of challenge

Shouldn't be much more than that

[sly remnant]

that should be plenty

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[proud jay]

should be good

[sly remnant]

if certain challenges get popular we can break those off

[proud jay]

of runs?

[gaunt fiber]

like one handed runs?

[lusty mirage]

in my brief experiment with controller/mouse, it made my controller hand hurt, would need something to stabilize the other side of the controller

[shy plinth]

of runs maybe, though if it's like an all-aspect clear I don't think we need that

That would be streak specific

But maybe I include it anyway

[gaunt fiber]

It used to hurt but it does not anymore. Pad I mean

is it a high heat side effect

[sly remnant]

my hand used to cramp

[gaunt fiber]

it would go in description

[sly remnant]

now i can play for hours and its fine

[shy plinth]

That was my initial thinking

[proud jay]

my hand hurt the most after hermes cup finals, probably from being too tense

high heat clears can get stressful

[sly remnant]

i can't imagine how tense you were

i took a decent break after i gave cerberus the sack because i was shaking

[true fable]

im only stressed on GY or when trying 50+ now

[gaunt fiber]

Don't stress

[true fable]

at this point it's mostly just eh if i die i die

it's another run

[gaunt fiber]

accept death, get better

[true fable]

hmm

[plush scaffold]

Maybe a stupid question, but are you (high-heat runners on this discord) mostly pushing for hight-heat/challenge with different aspects or also speedrunning high heat ?

[sly remnant]

we dabble

honestly i change goals like 3 times a day

[true fable]

ive been doing 32 and have started doing 40

same tyler

[proud jay]

im looking to do more high heat speedruns soon

[true fable]

i just want to do 40 GY before i do any sort of speed things again

[gaunt fiber]

I just want to play GY honestly

[true fable]

also gives other people time to finish 40 heat runs so i can steal their pacts 👁️

[proud jay]

40/50 heat speedruns are quite tough honestly

[sly remnant]

ye there's no guarantee you make it to the end

[gaunt fiber]

Imagine 50 heat as a category lol

[true fable]

dont have to imagine lol

[rain sedge]

laughs in bablo streak

[proud jay]

it is

[gaunt fiber]

WHAT

but

how

[true fable]

astaos where have you been

[plush scaffold]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades#50_Heat

[gaunt fiber]

oh god

[true fable]

its been on SRC for at least 2-3 months

[gaunt fiber]

I knew about 40

[true fable]

50 heat was the first heat category i think right?

[proud jay]

it was added right after 1.0 launch

[true fable]

or was it 32?

[sly remnant]

and its not the bosses. we die to bosses sure but we expect that.

but you are having a great tartarus and then hit a cloner seeker witch room and say goodbye to that great start and its just depressing

[gaunt fiber]

Ok I'm just blind

[proud jay]

32 was in early access

[gaunt fiber]

it's fine

[proud jay]

hades is quite tough if you pick damage rewards over defensive ones

[sly remnant]

it really is

[proud jay]

also skull earring over acorn possibly

[sly remnant]

the first day i did 40 heat speedruns i didn't finish a single run

[true fable]

i take hourglass for 32 🤷

the joys of one tricking beowulf

[proud jay]

hourglass might be better on casts idk

[true fable]

although its hard for me to decide for acorn vs skull earring for lucifer on 40 heat

i feel like im not good enough at T&A at 40 heat to take skull earring over acorn

[plush scaffold]

you really want skull earing to work in speedrun Bablo don't you ? =p

[proud jay]

it does already

[sly remnant]

i mean it works perfectly with stubborn defiance

[true fable]

skull earring is quite good

[proud jay]

it's a very solid option for high heat runs

[sly remnant]

what other sources of damage do you have?

[true fable]

funnily enough i realized taking last stand puts you out of skull earring range

[plush scaffold]

(I'm just kidding after a discussion we had on the speedrunning discord for any%)

[sly remnant]

ohhhh

[gaunt fiber]

I think the speedrunning discord has nice emotes. Might join to steal them

[sly remnant]

taking last stand in speedruns?

[true fable]

at 40 heat yeah haha

[mossy zinc]

I've submitted 32 mirrorless to the speedrun leaderboard for giggles. Does that count?

[plush scaffold]

Anything count if it's a personnal achievment !

[lusty mirage]

I'm wondering if something like the Hermes cup could be done for high heat, but with certain challenges defined by the competitors and then drafted

[sly remnant]

idk

[gaunt fiber]

wait I only see 2 runs at 40 heat

[sly remnant]

i'd like a hermes cup thing....but idk how exciting death is

[mossy zinc]

I regret having submitted anything, though, because I keep getting pins for the speedrunner role in the speedrun server when m definitely not a speedrunner lol.

[lusty mirage]

almost dying is one of the most exciting things

[proud jay]

i recorded a 10:28 eris run yesterday

[sly remnant]

i'm gonna knock out a beo soon

i gottta get the 32 record from bright but i am not looking forward to that grind

[proud jay]

i had a few chances at 32 record but kept getting 4-sacked

[gaunt fiber]

Ok so my mirrorless won't be 3rd, not fun

[sly remnant]

9:02 on beo at 32 heat is nothing to sneeze at

[mossy zinc]

I've suggested a 3-aspects expedition match at 40 Heat by bablo and Tailesque for a Hermes Cup stream, and they're both interested. No idea if it will actually happen, though.

[true fable]

my record is definitely quite beatable tbh

im sure tailesque has a run in the vault already

[sly remnant]

it is beatable

but its not like

sit down and beat it beatable

for me at least

it'll have to be a bit of a grind

blue head lernie

[proud jay]

blue head lernie gets the meg

[sly remnant]

lmao yes it does

[mossy zinc]

The worst thing about that one is that Antos whiffs one hit 99% of the time.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

[true fable]

the z axis is real

[proud jay]

personally i'd roll with meg at 32 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Still like it

[sly remnant]

i'd roll with meg at 40

[gaunt fiber]

because I can't aim with meg

And furies/Sneak

[sly remnant]

sneak is just second teleport

[true fable]

just watch the meg guide lol

[gaunt fiber]

I did

[mossy zinc]

I like my anti-Sneak anti-Doomstone Antos squad.

[gaunt fiber]

You use it against doomstone?

[proud jay]

isn't antos bad for doomstone

[plush scaffold]

it would probably interest a lot of runners considering the challenge and how famous they are

[mossy zinc]

First hit breaks armor, second hit kills.

Just summon and dash to the exit.

[true fable]

first hit breaks armor, second hit kills a mini stone

[proud jay]

does the first hit make doomstone summon little stones

[true fable]

it does

[proud jay]

so the second hit is not guaranteed amirite

[gaunt fiber]

Enter sneak room, wait for tp, press summon, throw the controller away

profit

[true fable]

i've literally never had the second hit land on the actual main stone

[gaunt fiber]

Then you realize you run DC and you die

[mossy zinc]

It kills Doomstone 100%. Just summon immediately when you enter.

[true fable]

i thought it was guaranteed not to hit tbh

hmm

i'll have to try it a bit more

[sly remnant]

i don't think i ever meg/antos the miniboss in tartarus unless its sneak because i save one for blue head lernie at 32/40

[true fable]

admittedly use antos a lot less

[mossy zinc]

It doesn't summon anything on the hit that breaks armor. You'll only get that if you run CP.

[true fable]

i dont meg the sneak depending on the weapon tbh

[proud jay]

in that case yeah it should 100% work

[true fable]

not sure if that's a mistake

[gaunt fiber]

I'll try

[sly remnant]

and the only reason i meg/antos sneak is because ain't nobody got time for that

[gaunt fiber]

But usually doomstone is free to me

[proud jay]

doomstone is quite free

but idk i lose some hp usually

beams are very unpredictable

[gaunt fiber]

true

sometimes it's just an annoying pattern

[mossy zinc]

I run TD3, so anything that speeds up Tartarus is welcome.

[proud jay]

good point

[gaunt fiber]

When you save 2 minutes

[mossy zinc]

I often skip the last phase vs Furies, too.

[gaunt fiber]

pog

[sly remnant]

nyaanyaa what summons do you skip out of curiosity

cuz i might try that

getting out of tartarus is hard

[mossy zinc]

What summons do I skip?

All the ones that are not Antos.

[proud jay]

which targets do you not antos

[gaunt fiber]

Kinda proud that I did not steal Antos from you

for once

[sly remnant]

normal summons are: tartarus miniboss, asphodel miniboss, blue head lernie if high heat, elysium miniboss, heroes, styx miniboss 1, styx miniboss 2 or hades

5 most common in high heat speedruns are tartarus, asphodel, elysium, heroes, styx

[rain sedge]

I dont summon vs tartarus miniboss

FO2 usually make it hard for sneak, the rest are just not worth

doomstone summon saves like 10s

[sly remnant]

i dont at high heat to be prepped for blue head lernie

[mossy zinc]

Doomstone with Guan Yu can go south very quickly. I also just don't like randomly losing HP. I always try to get out of Tartarus with well above 30%.

[proud jay]

or you can just heal to full hp

[gaunt fiber]

^

[proud jay]

but i've seen both ends happen

[gaunt fiber]

^

[lusty mirage]

on tempest strike can just slam it into the wall

[proud jay]

yes

[gaunt fiber]

This is why tempest strike GY is meta

[sly remnant]

yea doomstone is also just easy with shield. you just knock it into traps if you aren't summoning

[mossy zinc]

Kinda depends on how things are going. I never summon vs Burn-Flingers in Tartarus or Witches Circle. I always summon vs Power Couple (unless I have a lot of dashes and high burst damage) and vs any miniboss or boss in Elysium and onwards. Save 1 for Hades unless things go south before that.

Sometimes not vs solo Asterius.

[lusty mirage]

power couple with mm on GY sux

[mossy zinc]

Oh, and Barge of Death I summon immediately. Though I've been wondering how wise that is. It only takes 1500 off the stone thingy most of the time.

[gaunt fiber]

Same

mandatory summon

[proud jay]

1500 off the stone is a lot less enemies

depending on your damage

[gaunt fiber]

I have a strange habit

[proud jay]

although i guess sometimes you get a max amount of enemies anyway?

[gaunt fiber]

I get on the top of the map, I charge my spin, cast, then summon

lucky charm I guess

[gaunt fiber]

Idk about that

[sly remnant]

i don't normally summon with beo on barge. hahaha big stone go bye bye

[proud jay]

funny how we're talking general strategy and for Astaos it's GY specific strategy

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I'll have to try it more without summon on the Barge and see how that goes.

[gaunt fiber]

Sorry lol

[lusty mirage]

haha the conversation tends towards GY a lot

i'm guilty too

[gaunt fiber]

ok ok

I would to the same with Hades

which is not GY

we good?

[mossy zinc]

You mean with Hades, Charged Skewer, and Exploding Launcher?

[lusty mirage]

he didn't even mention special

[proud jay]

i tried charged skewer on Hades spear today

biggest mistake of my life

[mossy zinc]

Apparently, you can get Exploding Launcher if you have Charged Skewer but not vice-versa.

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[proud jay]

yeah that's probably the reason why i've never had that combo

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah it seems right

I picked charged skewer over spin hammers on hades

To get exploding

And this is why I'm not good at theorycraft lmao

[mossy zinc]

Why? Sounds like something worth trying.

[gaunt fiber]

The things I try are not well thought, often just "yeah let's do that"

[lusty mirage]

Also an interesting study to compare theorycraft for highroll vs consistency

[proud jay]

i did that study in my winstreak run today

[lusty mirage]

oh i only was able to watch part of it

[proud jay]

dw it was balls

[lusty mirage]

sorry what do you mean by dw there

[proud jay]

problem was i had DC2 which is super bad for charged skewer

[proud jay]

don't worry

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

DC1 is "ok" tho

[proud jay]

also charged skewer on hades might be ok if you have artemis special

because that +200% base and +150% additive is going to scale big time with crit

and not all that well with anything else

[gaunt fiber]

But btw DC is hard for Hades skulls

[true fable]

seems pretty huge if you can get that hammer combo on hades

[gaunt fiber]

I'm not used to it

[true fable]

the problem is that you're getting second hammer pretty late imo

[proud jay]

it sure is

[true fable]

like what do you do

with just charged skewer

before you get launcher

[gaunt fiber]

Nothing

[proud jay]

one-shot enemies with artemis special

well, two-shot with a spin first

[gaunt fiber]

You spin and attack

[proud jay]

but massive spin is just better

or serrated point

which is what i ended up picking up as 2nd hammer

[lusty mirage]

heh i'm imagining a massive spin/charged skewer weird AP2 run

[gaunt fiber]

You have to hold attack to spin @true fable

[true fable]

is this some sort of joke

[gaunt fiber]

Yes

[true fable]

ok

also how massive

does the spin need to be

[gaunt fiber]

Max between waves, smol while kiting

[lusty mirage]

HADES massive

[gaunt fiber]

Hades max spin feels good

[lusty mirage]

so about GY healing - do you heal as much with smol?

seems the same heal

but the big spin is for dmg

[gaunt fiber]

Well it does not last long

But yeah

[true fable]

oh i was wondering more about @proud jay 's reasoning for massive spin good

on hades

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah mb

[true fable]

i should probably spin more on GY though

just need to figure out good spots to do it

[gaunt fiber]

More?

[true fable]

ok

[gaunt fiber]

I mean

[lusty mirage]

it covers the whole screen almost

[proud jay]

what do you pick over massive spin?

as in how many hammers

[true fable]

hmm

[gaunt fiber]

Serrated exploding

[true fable]

flaring serrated and exploding i guess

flaring only if running DC

[proud jay]

flaring?

am i missing something here

don't you just get hit

[gaunt fiber]

I think Tailesque likes it

[true fable]

it's quite good vs DC hearts

[gaunt fiber]

That too

[proud jay]

is it actually a thing

[true fable]

i think that might be the only reason tailesque likes it

[lusty mirage]

flaring on gy seems bad, kills the stuff you want to heal from

[gaunt fiber]

You can stunlock unarmored foes too

[true fable]

tail used it in his 1.0 50 heat

not sure how good it actually is

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah garbage

[true fable]

massive spin damage probably helps more?

[proud jay]

at 50 heat you just pick whatever garbage AP allows you to pick up

[true fable]

if you're not running DC

[proud jay]

so idk it's not always going to be optimal

[mossy zinc]

Don't do dash spins on Guan Yu. That might help.

Only dash if you actually need the range.

[true fable]

you just do standing spins on GY?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[lusty mirage]

on mouse/keyboard can dash away on spin

[mossy zinc]

Standing and MAX.

[gaunt fiber]

Sometimes I like to dash spin, like between Asterius leaps

[mossy zinc]

Although, sometimes you just gotta release early to get out of the way of things.

Yeah, dash spins have their place.

[gaunt fiber]

But it's so specific

[mossy zinc]

You want to make full use of Guan Yu's range, not unnecessarily dash into enemies.

[lusty mirage]

how good is the GY specific 80% spin distance one, seems like 3rd best spin hammer

[gaunt fiber]

It exists

[mossy zinc]

I honestly haven't used it that much.

[gaunt fiber]

I tried to make it work

[true fable]

feels like my spins never reach enemies

[gaunt fiber]

But it was on tempest strike

[lusty mirage]

i've messed around with AP2 a lot so get stuck with whatever hammer

[true fable]

or if im close enough to reach enemies i get hit anyway

[mossy zinc]

Also, use the terrain to charge safely.

[gaunt fiber]

The thing is that it flies longer. So it go through enemies then do nothing

If not more enemies behind I mean

[mossy zinc]

I feel like I need the extra range hammer about as much as I need dash spins.

[lusty mirage]

fair

[gaunt fiber]

I'd like a stationary spin

With winged serpent I mean

[proud jay]

i feel like amir doesn't fancy that kinda stuff

[gaunt fiber]

Imagine controling it like Zeus pog

[gaunt fiber]

Why?

[proud jay]

i don't fully know the ways of amir

[gaunt fiber]

Lol

[proud jay]

but that's the feeling i've gotten from him

like he's not into chiron or exploding launcher kind of gameplay

[lusty mirage]

i bet amir would like to fully know the ways of bablo

[proud jay]

meanwhile he likes my winstreak where i go for divine dash every run

[sly remnant]

inb4 amir moves DDs to ares

[gaunt fiber]

Idk why GY has one specific hammer

Then you look at Lucy

Prolly better that way but still

[daring hedge]

lucy is that way because by virtue of how it works, a ton of hammers are locked out

if it didn't have several unique ones, its pool would be ridiculously tiny

[proud jay]

wasn't conc beam a normal hammer at one point

[daring hedge]

nah

conc fire

[proud jay]

well yeah but same mechanic

it's probably the same lines of code

[daring hedge]

makes more sense on a ramping weapon anyway

[proud jay]

it does

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I guess

But we could lock everything except charged skewer, serrated point and spins

[hollow lynx]

dance pad anyheat% when

[gaunt fiber]

We can't compete with Dark souls potato run

Wait it was bananas I think

[shy plinth]

@proud jay https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSfi2Di0IK0WAjAhUO0vNYjmLi3_skbfqRJ9dQMgwHhEXHkQtQ/viewform Multi-run submission form

[mossy zinc]

A little teaser. https://imgur.com/a/KGkGoV4

[sly remnant]

?

[mossy zinc]

'Tis a teaser.

[gaunt fiber]

Challenge run

Pog

[sly remnant]

nyaanyaa got me interested

[daring hedge]

bald zagreus challenge

[sly remnant]

oh she won't post it so she can't get 🦊

[gaunt fiber]

But we can't guess anything

"You'll be playing as Zagreus"

[true fable]

i think someone just finished a run on a dance pad

[daring hedge]

wait is the challenge running the game on the lowest brightness

have i cracked the code nyaanyaa

[gaunt fiber]

EM4 low brightness

Evil

[sly remnant]

hell mode first run

Pog?

[shy plinth]

Wait I've got it, the ultimate challenge

Mirrorless fresh file

It's perfect

[proud jay]

something i've been thinking of doing

[sly remnant]

same

i think first run is super cool

[gaunt fiber]

I practiced it a bit, it's fun

[proud jay]

there's someone who claimed to have done it

[daring hedge]

i'd love to see this

surprised it hasn't popped up really

[proud jay]

first run is already quite hard

[lusty mirage]

or a fresh-file streak where you have to up the heat every time

[sly remnant]

its such a cool concept because you have to use everything in first run

traps, body slams, wall slams, etc

[gaunt fiber]

And

Zag Sword

Pog

[proud jay]

what is a body slam anyway

[daring hedge]

wait yeah

[sly remnant]

i'm not sure what the defniing feature is

[proud jay]

i'd say traps and wall slams are also utilized in high heat

[sly remnant]

i agree

[proud jay]

even if vorime doesn't see it that way

[sly remnant]

wait really?

how the eff do you deal with TD3

if you don't trap and wall slam

[proud jay]

he doesn't have high heat experience

[sly remnant]

(i don't body slam but i might be bad)

[proud jay]

afaik

[daring hedge]

you don't rely on them really but they're absolutely used, yeah

[proud jay]

meanwhile first run relies on ME

[daring hedge]

poseidon in styx at high heat is still poseidon in styx

[gaunt fiber]

A bit of Nemesis 40 but that's it

[sly remnant]

i mean i think TD3 makes you a better player because it forces you to use so much of your toolkit

[daring hedge]

this is kind of one of the things keeping me from trying out fresh file honestly

[sly remnant]

as opposed to any heat

[daring hedge]

i don't want to fish for ME or else have a high risk of just resetting

[sly remnant]

i mean first run is fine if you just want to complete it

[proud jay]

yeah

[sly remnant]

just effin slow

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but to be fair you can get ME in Elysium and still get a good run

You don't have god legacy for sure

But I feel like it's ok

It's not some AP 2 Tartarus reset

[rain sedge]

btw, why does people prefer antos to mort at high heat?

[daring hedge]

second run hell mode; you die then enable FO2 and HL5

[proud jay]

isn't second run god pool pretty bad

[daring hedge]

probably lol

[proud jay]

poseidon, dio, something something?

[gaunt fiber]

You still don't get hammers

[proud jay]

what does 2nd run even enable

[sly remnant]

mort is slow

[gaunt fiber]

I don't remember lol

[daring hedge]

turning on those pact options

[sly remnant]

bow

[proud jay]

tartarus fountain lol

[gaunt fiber]

Dio I think yeah

[sly remnant]

you can get dio in first run

[rain sedge]

I mean I get that but

in what case is being slow that much wors

[daring hedge]

isn't zeus part of 2nd run or is he third

[proud jay]

ah right

[sly remnant]

god pool in first run is guaranteed ares, athena, dio, artemis

[gaunt fiber]

..

Ofc I remember now

[sly remnant]

TD3

[gaunt fiber]

The premium Vintage carry

[sly remnant]

or just an enemy moving

hey after party actually owns in first run

[daring hedge]

antos and meg for the most part are set it and forget it, if you know how to time meg at least, which isn't hard

mort is slow

[dire steppe]

after party not working with lc4 is so sad

[gaunt fiber]

After party is SD

[dire steppe]

tbh nourished soul should be additive with LC change my mind

[proud jay]

this is what i try to talk about when amir is watching

[sly remnant]

i agree

[dire steppe]

would additive nourished soul even break anything

[sly remnant]

no

[dire steppe]

i feel like it makes a lot of sense

[sly remnant]

i think its a code thing

[daring hedge]

it would make it not miserable to get at high heat with UC

[proud jay]

devs must be well aware of how nourished soul works with LC

[gaunt fiber]

And they're laughing at us

[proud jay]

they've just decided to not touch it

[sly remnant]

^

[daring hedge]

yep

[proud jay]

and they're probably on a break now

[dire steppe]

at least make it sellable :(

[sly remnant]

bablo and i discussed this

but it makes no sense that demeter was the god designed last

and is somehow a complete mess

[daring hedge]

they seem to not want boons that give you items in the moment sellable, since you can't "sell" what you already picked up physically

[proud jay]

when it looks like they're working on a new patch i'll try to feed some high heat info to amir

[daring hedge]

so sunken treasure, vintage, soul

[gaunt fiber]

Btw Dio getting Strong drink and After party deleted is a bit much

[sly remnant]

dio struggles at high heat

[dire steppe]

strong drink isn’t useless on lc4

[sly remnant]

i mean

you get damage

cool

and can sell it for UC

looks at nourished soul

[dire steppe]

isn’t it global, global 15% damage ain’t bad

[gaunt fiber]

My 40 mirrorless has 15% strong drink

[sly remnant]

ye its usable

but i'm never like

oh baby yes

[gaunt fiber]

It's not worth a Boon lmao

[sly remnant]

strong drink

[gaunt fiber]

And if you don't get it at Tartarus it's a disaster

Or fountain chambers

[dire steppe]

lots of boons are not worth it

like tempest strike

[daring hedge]

AP2 strong drink from miniboss elysium dio cool thanks

[lusty mirage]

slamming one foe into another foe

[sly remnant]

lmao tail

atleast its upgraded rarit

sells for more

[daring hedge]

yeah

[proud jay]

how about that styx dronk then

[daring hedge]

nourished soul is just you get no reward for this chamber and also UC is potentially tighter for you now, have fun

[sly remnant]

^its true

[gaunt fiber]

Nourished soul is worse but Demeter is good so

[sly remnant]

is demeter good

she's

okay

[proud jay]

demeter is such a gamble

[sly remnant]

^

[daring hedge]

yeah

[gaunt fiber]

Hm

[proud jay]

chill and killing freeze are super good

[daring hedge]

killing freeze is really good at high heat

basically auto FO downgrade

[proud jay]

epic ravenous will is serious damage increase on certain stuff

[sly remnant]

snow burst carries cast weapons at high heat

but

normally with demeter

there's like 2 things you want

[gaunt fiber]

Gamble hm

[sly remnant]

and she has a lot more than 2 boons

[gaunt fiber]

If it's AP 2 I guess

[daring hedge]

very

[sly remnant]

even with AP1

its like

"hopefully this doesn't come back and bite me in the butt"

icy flare nourished soul

thanks game

[spring kettle]

One time I had both life affirmation and nourished soul and fountains healed me for like 100

[sly remnant]

what is "heal" ?

[daring hedge]

you can gun specifically for a core chill and killing freeze, the works etc. and still be offered rare crop and nourished soul anyway

it feels terrible

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I can see that

Not an AP gamer yet

[daring hedge]

don't aspire to be

[sly remnant]

ap is tolerable

*ap1

[daring hedge]

was about to say lol

[spring kettle]

I rerolled once to try to get a demeter core that wasn't crystal beam and it just offered me nourished soul again

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I guess

Without RI

[spring kettle]

Because I wanted to try for demeter zeus duo

[sly remnant]

i mean everyone knows my opinion on AP

i hate the thing

[gaunt fiber]

I don't hate it

Because I don't run it

[spring kettle]

I'm still trying to fill out prophecies so I avoid running AP

Be terrible luck if chaos finally offered me their legendary and it was crossed out

[gaunt fiber]

I remember prophecies

"what do you mean touch of styx?"

And then I realized people used SD

[sly remnant]

me doing prophecies: "fully loaded" seems like the stupidest legendary in existence

[true fable]

me doing beowulf: "fully loaded" is the stupidest legendary in existence

[sly remnant]

BRIGHT

THATS IT

I'VE HAD ENOUGH OF YOU

GO TO THE CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE SAID

[true fable]

fully loaded is a fake legendary

it doesnt exist

[gaunt fiber]

It can't hurt you

[true fable]

its there to tempt weary travelers into taking support fire on beowulf

[daring hedge]

fully loaded can't hurt beo players if it doesn't exist

it's solving a problem

[sly remnant]

support fire for dc hearts is amazing

[rain sedge]

Imagine running beo with dc

[sly remnant]

what else you gonna do at 50 schad

[rain sedge]

Not play beo

[proud jay]

dc is not terrible

even if it's not great

[sly remnant]

i was proving a point schad

[mossy zinc]

I buy the trap thingy from Wells frequently before Asphodel.

[daring hedge]

i get the chaos ruin trap damage blessing just kidding rest in peace

[mossy zinc]

You would if you could.

[sly remnant]

idk i feel like traps are most useful in tartarus

(tho i agree with nyaanyaa about stygian shards before asphodel)

[gaunt fiber]

They're useful in styx, quite easy to get killed

[sly remnant]

purge dc hearts too

also alecto phasing herself on traps is always funny

[mossy zinc]

With Epic Sure Footing, I just bait the Skullcrusher on magma.

That takes care of it.

The miniboss.

[sly remnant]

nyaanyaa just galaxy brain'd me

nothing will ever be the same

[rain sedge]

Lava doesn't get amplified by the trap item right?

[sly remnant]

yes it most certainly does

[rain sedge]

I still don't get this btw. I can count the number of times Alecto steps on trap, and I don't think it's even that much damage

[rain sedge]

This changes everything

[true fable]

it's 100 damage per trap for alecto

600 with styg shard

[sly remnant]

^

^^

[mossy zinc]

When she just kinda rolls in the air and chases after you, she's very easy to kite on traps.

[rain sedge]

I should learn how to play tbh

If I wanna do this eris 57

[sly remnant]

its because of eris

[rain sedge]

Which I think is doable

But I probably should play other games

[sly remnant]

ye i'm grinding genshin rn

[rain sedge]

I heard there's a big cyberpunk patch this month

Wanna finish Valhalla before that

[rain sedge]

Yo remember the time we had a discussion where I wasn't sure if you're a weeb?

I'm no longer unsure

[sly remnant]

i'm a weeb

i can count 6 figures from where i am at this current moment

and thats not all of them

[gaunt fiber]

Can't play other games, GY steals 50% of my life force

[rain sedge]

Bruh tyler

[rain sedge]

More than 50% tbh, I don't think anyone in this channel has such an unbalanced aspect record as you

[gaunt fiber]

Wait it's perfectly balanced

[mossy zinc]

Mine used to look like this lol. https://imgur.com/a/D6dx4wG

[sly remnant]

thats not even the worst of it i'm a whale in Fate GO

[sly remnant]

respect

[rain sedge]

I don't even know what that is

[gaunt fiber]

See Schad

I'm fine

[rain sedge]

Might be worse than astaos'

Do you even play different fist aspect?

[gaunt fiber]

Why worse tho?

[sly remnant]

iirc nyaanyaa plays demeter AND talos

[mossy zinc]

I play all of them.

[edgy arrow]

honestly the 8 rail uses is the most impressive thing

[rain sedge]

So better than astaos at least

[gaunt fiber]

What

[rain sedge]

Anyway, I must sleep, 2am

Hypnos calls

[sly remnant]

yea guys Astaos plays exploding charged skewer Hades its totally different :^)

[rain sedge]

I really should sleep earlier

[sly remnant]

night schad!

[rain sedge]

Nighty night

[mossy zinc]

Good night!

[mossy zinc]

No, we're in 1.0 now.

[edgy arrow]

2am is an early time to sleep tbh

[proud jay]

we're in 1.37+ now

[edgy arrow]

small number = early

[gaunt fiber]

Absolutely, you have to spin before special

[mossy zinc]

🔫

[sly remnant]

speaking o f which i don't think bablo ever sleeps

[edgy arrow]

he’s too good at the game so hypnos can’t sass him

therefore sleep has no power over him

[gaunt fiber]

I think he's good because he does not sleep, not the opposite

[edgy arrow]

hmm

[mossy zinc]

bablo confirmed .

[edgy arrow]

which came first: the chicken or the mad skillz

[gaunt fiber]

I have a 6 hours update coming up, cya

[mossy zinc]

Me telling him to go for Divine Strike + Divine Dash.

[proud jay]

i actually don't like divine strike anymore on fists

divine dash on the other hand

[mossy zinc]

I only really take Divine Strike when it's Epic anymore.

[edgy arrow]

with both i always feel basically invincible

[mossy zinc]

Or if I already have Deadly Flourish.

[north dove]

just had a 57 heat chaos shield run die to a pot on 3rd phase of dad... I am so mad

heroic ares special, 2 extra dashes

[dire steppe]

clearly the solution is to run bracer for -30% trap damage

[mossy zinc]

One more RI and turn off HS.

[true fable]

@north dove how did you feel about ares vs zeus special?

or did you AP2

[north dove]

I think I prefer ares for bosses

[true fable]

intoresting

the fact that my furthest run on GY so far is a calculated risk run

says a lot about my GY play

life's hard with slow reflexes

[mossy zinc]

Practice, practice, practice.

[true fable]

yup

im goin im goin

i think im getting better at figuring out which enemies are safe to lifesteal from

[formal gust]

so how's zag shield for 40+

probably just worse zeus

but I reckon you could steamroll with pulverizing

[mossy zinc]

I think it's really good.

bablo's tier list for 40 Heat: https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/T6rTuixRZG_py-0rSVV66VXTmTehbtlrslOWf1Y_8-A/https/i.imgur.com/bjySEhEh.jpg?width=378&height=436

[formal gust]

yeah I saw

as I expected probably worse zeus shield

but b tier is above average

[mossy zinc]

It's also "just" from bablo's experience and at 40 speficially.

[formal gust]

yeah I know it shouldn't be taken literally

or at face value, rather

[mossy zinc]

I don't know how reliable it is without Attack hammers, so I don't know much it's affected by AP.

[formal gust]

you kinda

really want pulv

[mossy zinc]

Best to just take it and do a run with it.

[formal gust]

so probably pretty harshly

[mossy zinc]

You really need two axes for tier lists, anyway. Reliability and potential.

I think it's probably high in reliability just because you have high base damage from the start and block.

[true fable]

i died to phase 2 part 2 dad

i am kind of understanding the appeal now

[mossy zinc]

Of Guan Yu?

[true fable]

yee

[mossy zinc]

It has a lot of potential, but you can't really make mistakes, yeah.

Although with Acorn at least you can make 5 more mistakes.

[true fable]

yeah i missed a couple of spin timings

it was close

if i timed the last one well enough i could have gotten it

it's the delay that still gets me

[unreal pasture]

There are runs posted of people doing EM4 Hades with one dash, right?

[dire steppe]

there’s a run of em4 hades with no inputs

[mossy zinc]

lmao

Haelian did EM4 no dash, too.

[unreal pasture]

I kind of also should have included the ... others... HL5, FO2... high heat staples

I was just curious if you could actually reasonably dodge the spins with one dash... and how you're supposed to position

[mossy zinc]

You can i-frame spins with one dash. I don't think the spins are the problem.

[unreal pasture]

What heat was Haelian's run?

Yea, I'm fully aware... but the timing seems pretty tight

[mossy zinc]

It was just EM4 no dash.

[unreal pasture]

And how much +movement speed?

[mossy zinc]

Just practice the regular Hades fight with one dash first.

You can also use call to i-frame spins.

A lot of movement speed lol.

[unreal pasture]

I figured

I've had like... +100+% and it becomes borderline uncontrollable at a certain point

Hypersprint, many +20% speed pots, and more hermes stuff