#h1-high-heat-strategies

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true fable
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hunting blades beowulf is good fun

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but not good

rain sedge
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I mean Zeus is FAR from easy

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Come on now

true fable
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the sheer damage you output is just pretty bonkers

somber leaf
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can you even get hunting blades? it didn't show up as a prequest (had wrong blade cast)

rain sedge
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It's because we play it at high heat

true fable
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i think you can

rain sedge
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Anyway I sleep gl

true fable
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not sure though

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either way dio cast/aphro cast is usually the way

somber leaf
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Dio makes sense with Stygian, eh?

true fable
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yup

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and then you just high roll chaos gates for bloodstones

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artemis attack is good on pretty much any shield

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since youre going for arty attack anyway it's good to get poseidon too and then shoot for mirage shot

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arty-pos-dio-zeus are your 4 important gods in that order

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at least for styg beo

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for infernal the same gods are good except aphro instead of dio obviously

somber leaf
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wait, arty matters MORE than Dio?

true fable
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yes

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once you get cast you basically want no more dio until youve found mirage shot

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what else would you get from dio

sly remnant
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drunken dash blackout

true fable
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yeah but im not risking splitting headache tbh

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i do like blackout a lot now though

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i guess high roll strat would be just to take drunk dash anyway

sly remnant
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splitting headache is better PP for your cast

true fable
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and hope you win the 50-50

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i take drunk dash pretty frequently in anyheat

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i'm not saying splitting headache is bad it's just not mirage shot

sly remnant
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thats fair

somber leaf
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so you just use the normal cast for most of the time?

true fable
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normal cast.?

somber leaf
true fable
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yeah

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for aphro just replace dio with aphro in that order

somber leaf
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but... then aren't you grabbing the cast SUPER late?

honest kernel
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And Zeus isn't as important unless you nab a good call

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For Aphro cast

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Pretty sure you start Dio for the cast and prioritize Artemis and Poseidon after

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Depends on who you see in Tartarus/Asphodel

true fable
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nono you start dio for the cast

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im just saying once you have that

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you want artemis and you basically never want to see a second dio boon

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what baj said is correct

mossy zinc
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Infernal Soul + Owl Pendant for Divine Dash > anything after that is very good. Beowulf is very versatile.

sly remnant
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i don't think divine dash is necessary. beowulf is a pretty safe weapon.

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but i agree its versatile and can adapt

mossy zinc
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Yeah, but you'll have her in your pool from the start for DDs etc. That's always good.

honest kernel
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Out of all the weapons, I don't think a Good Beowulf run needs DDs

sly remnant
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^agreed

honest kernel
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Since you deal heavy boss damage, and Bullrush is really safe

mossy zinc
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What if you get a bad Beowulf run? dusa

honest kernel
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Having no cast makes it WAY worse

sly remnant
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then your problem is going to be clearing rooms not killing bosses

formal gust
mossy zinc
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You'll get a cast very soon anyway. You don't need one for the first couple Tartarus chambers.

sly remnant
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^ i agree with nyaanyaa on that

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in fact normally other things will help your clear speed in tartarus

formal gust
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Nyaanyaa Mewmew more like beoobeoo Wulfwulf

mossy zinc
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Seriously though, the right way in my experience is to get +400% base damage Charged Flight in Tartarus, start with the Eternal Rose, and get Heartbreak Flourish.. all of that with AP2.

sly remnant
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do not run AP2 on beowulf please

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it is not an AP2 weapon

formal gust
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NO

mossy zinc
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That worked really for me and I would recommend it.

formal gust
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Beo is top tier

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No matter what

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Shhh

honest kernel
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What heat level are what talking about here lmao

formal gust
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4000

true fable
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nyaanyaa did 52 with that strat it must be good

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now i must find the +400% charged flight

mossy zinc
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Yeah, what Bright01 said.

true fable
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time to downpatch

formal gust
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Just downpatch

mossy zinc
sly remnant
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and also play with easier TD3

true fable
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thank you i'll try my best

formal gust
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There is a software called depotdownloader

sly remnant
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idk how this channel thought 5 minutes with carryover was better than 7 per region

formal gust
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It is

tidal flame
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Can we actually downpatch?

formal gust
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Yes

tidal flame
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is that what depotdownloader is for?

formal gust
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Yup

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Granted you do need to find the right version and stuff

tidal flame
formal gust
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But people use it to downpatch hollow knight

tidal flame
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what's wrong with the new patch?

formal gust
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Idk probably removes some glitches?

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Not sure

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But there is another speed game I know of where downpatching is used

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But we could go back to hydra skip

mossy zinc
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lol imagine downpatching because the patch fixed bugs.

formal gust
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Speedrunners

mossy zinc
formal gust
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I take offense to that

somber leaf
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also isn't lasting consequences kinda... rough for newbs at 32 heat? I find even LC2 is enough to floor me haha

mossy zinc
sly remnant
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are you using stubborn defiance or death defiances

somber leaf
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dd

sly remnant
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if you use DD's you probably can't do lasting consequences

somber leaf
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I guess I should try SD, eh? I find Hades too scary haha

sly remnant
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you'll need to find the heat somewhere else

mossy zinc
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You can pick up DDs from Lady Athena along the way.

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Once you have any core boon from her, make sure you revive in the chamber before picking up a boon from her to get a DD from Last Stand or Deathless Stand.

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Check Wells for Touches of Styx. They're super cheap and help a lot.

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Take Touch of Styx from Patroclus if you see him.

somber leaf
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@true fable what's Zeus for in particular?

honest kernel
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Scintillating Feast

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It's a nice thing to have, and fills the Dash/Call slot nicely

true fable
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^

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rama eez fun btw

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especially when you get triple PB shot lol

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45 bow done

somber leaf
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woah. this dio beo build seems super terrible iwthout an attack boon or a +1 cast

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fights take me sooooo long...?

true fable
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yeah you kinda want +1 cast

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what level is your cast?

somber leaf
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uhh.. 3?

true fable
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hmm

somber leaf
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but a single one is sooo little damage

sly remnant
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even without +1 cast it shouldn't take that much time

true fable
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that should be all right but you really want +1 cast/mirage

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im gonna link the beo propaganda again

sly remnant
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you can watch my 50 heat clear on the pinned spreadsheet for some ideas of how to play the neutral game

honest kernel
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"Neutral game" not where I expected to hear this term LOL

sly remnant
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neutral game = downtime without casts

formal gust
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that is how we live

shy plinth
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Poseidon is the true wave dasher tho

true fable
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yeah we live for the high of being able to one shot vermin

somber leaf
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yeah... that wasn't fun at all haha, damn. why is shield so lame at high heat? every other weapon is going way better

sly remnant
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i mean if you get tidal dash, arti attack, or snow burst youll be fine

true fable
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we're like ME junkies but probably slightly more sane for better payoff

sly remnant
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how many levels of JS are you? you should be clearing fast with dash strikes on beo

honest kernel
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... Shield on TD3 needs you to not be lame for high heat, or you timeout

formal gust
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I almost exclusively use beowulf

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that is like my sole shield gameplay

somber leaf
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and Battie is considered good?

honest kernel
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But otherwise, you can get away with some safety

true fable
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battie is good

honest kernel
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Battie's about the most common summon

true fable
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antos is good

formal gust
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battie is probably the all around best companion

somber leaf
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JS3

formal gust
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I'm used to it from speedruns

somber leaf
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maybe the 2 shields is the worst part

formal gust
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so I use it

true fable
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battie has the most documentation on how to use i will say

somber leaf
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cuz it really really slows down beowulf

sly remnant
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JS3 at 32 heat is not ideal

true fable
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oh yeah do not run JS3 DC2 lol

formal gust
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on beowulf I really only recommend 1 damage control

somber leaf
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I always do JS3, huh

true fable
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that is why your rooms are taking so long lmao

formal gust
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the difference between 1 and 2 is hyge

somber leaf
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yeah 😄

formal gust
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huge

somber leaf
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that might be it haha

true fable
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i guess you could do JS3

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dont do DC2

somber leaf
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I'd love to replace it

true fable
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i would do DC0

honest kernel
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^

somber leaf
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DC is which one?

formal gust
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with DC1 you can hit them with the rush it self and then the cast shreds them

honest kernel
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Damage Control

somber leaf
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+health?

formal gust
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man demeter aspect has a very high heat record

true fable
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@somber leaf my 40 heat clear with beowulf was with damage control 0

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51?

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yeah

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i mean

formal gust
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guess it goes to show how important stripping damage control is

true fable
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zag sword has a very high record too

somber leaf
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where do people give up their heat?? D: haha

honest kernel
somber leaf
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ah okay

true fable
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paulG post your pact

honest kernel
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On level 2, needs 2 hits

formal gust
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I would expect it to be worse

somber leaf
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uhm, there's no easy way to copy it, right? haha

formal gust
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since demeter has even worse range

somber leaf
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I got to Hades with this:

true fable
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you can upload to gyazo or imgur and paste the link in chat

formal gust
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but no

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demeter seems like a pretty not awful high heat weapon

true fable
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demeter also has more people playing it i think

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like demeter was many people's first weapon

sly remnant
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i haven't taken anything except the speedrunnign pact at 32 in forever

true fable
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same lol

somber leaf
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HL5, JS3, EM4, CP2, BP2, MM1, RI1, DC2, TD1

sly remnant
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i'd need to physically see the pact

true fable
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oh god

sly remnant
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cp2

true fable
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LMAO

sly remnant
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no

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nononono

somber leaf
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😛

formal gust
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why

honest kernel
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CP2 DC2 JS3 EM4

somber leaf
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it's basically how I got my 3 32s haha

honest kernel
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No wonder things take a lot of time

sly remnant
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ok beowulf is a different weapon

true fable
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that looks worse than the 45 heat pact i just did

formal gust
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listen

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no

shy plinth
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CP2 RI1??

somber leaf
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oh no, I'd love advice on that 😛

sly remnant
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okay

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hold on

honest kernel
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Oh yeah RI1 is pretty bad too

sly remnant
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someone show me a pact

true fable
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i will open one

shy plinth
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Clearing on that is pretty impressive tbh

true fable
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gimme sec

formal gust
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oh btw I'm going to try to get 40 all weapons I definitely jumped the gun with 45 heat stuff

somber leaf
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I can't remember if this is exactly how I got the three I have, I didn't have EM4 I'm pretty sure

formal gust
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40 to 45 is a big jump

honest kernel
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^ Hmm Hmm

sly remnant
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thats about the worst pact i can imagine for 32 heat for beo

somber leaf
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yeah, that might be why tbh

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it's a much burstier weapon than the onesI 've won with

honest kernel
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At 'least he didn't have CF lol

formal gust
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45+ heat is just "abandon all hope ye who enter here"

true fable
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ignore the rama

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here is a fairly sane 32 heat pact for beowulf

formal gust
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stares at rama

ember cobalt
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Unless you're also a masochist

shy plinth
honest kernel
true fable
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true

somber leaf
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I should really try SD

shy plinth
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This probs isn't right for beowulf since it has UC and CF2

sly remnant
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i would drop UC for 2 more HL personally

formal gust
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UC is great

loud coral
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sane
HS
alright then

formal gust
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UC is good to learn

true fable
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i guess HS could be bad for 32 heat

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but

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again

ember cobalt
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Actually though, what would be a good general heat setup for 32?

true fable
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this one can be tweaked

shy plinth
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Can't do Beo with UC+CF2 I think, at least that's what Bright tells me

sly remnant
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beo HATES uc tho

formal gust
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somewhat

true fable
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i dont think it's a good idea hat

formal gust
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but you can play around it

true fable
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some other people might disagree

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you just end up with so few boons to work with

shy plinth
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That config is also FO0

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So you could easily do FO instead

true fable
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i dont think you can do it and run a cast based beowulf let me just put it that way

honest kernel
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CF1 is ok, CF2 is awful

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on 32 Heat you can avoid it

true fable
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since clearly you can do charged flight beowulf

somber leaf
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I never learned FO, I've beaten it on FO2 but I take a looot of damage

true fable
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try FO1

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if you want to go above 32 heat FO2 is basically mandatroy

somber leaf
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what's CF?

true fable
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CF is convenience fee

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increases shop prices by +40% per level

honest kernel
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Shop costs more

somber leaf
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oh yeah I hate CF

loud coral
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HL5 FO0 can also work for 32 if you really hate FO

somber leaf
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I've never done 32 heat without HL, it sounds kinda nice

formal gust
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benefits 1 is kinda easy

true fable
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shift around the heat in the pact i put up and you should end up with something decent

somber leaf
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yeah, I saved it

true fable
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the only ones i'd avoid are UC/CF/RI/AP

somber leaf
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that was ideally my last run for the night though

true fable
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those ones are very very obnoxious on beowulf

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UC can be fine depending

somber leaf
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RI that bad? honestly rerolls sounds really nice

true fable
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but

formal gust
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beo is such overkill damage on targets that CP isn't a huge deal

true fable
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RI is terrible

honest kernel
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RI also means you lose out on Dark Foresight

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Which is now insane

somber leaf
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sweet. okay, maybe this'll go better next time

shy plinth
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Yeah losing dark foresight is losing ~6 boons

somber leaf
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which is Dark Foresight? >.<

honest kernel
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Mirror talent

shy plinth
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20% more chance for gold doors

honest kernel
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It replaces the +rare Talent

somber leaf
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ah, should I always be using that? I use the rare one atm

formal gust
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definitely use foresight

sly remnant
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switch now

true fable
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use dark foresight yeah

honest kernel
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^

sly remnant
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and never look back

formal gust
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they made it twice as good

shy plinth
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It's super good

somber leaf
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huh, yeah I thought it might be better

formal gust
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I forgot how good it is

somber leaf
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oooh it got buffed!?

true fable
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for those who arent aware dark foresight isnt even 20% more gold than blue

formal gust
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until I tried using something else

somber leaf
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yeah I remembered it was 10% before

true fable
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it's 40%

honest kernel
true fable
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it shifts it to 20% in both directions

formal gust
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you mean 20?

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oh

honest kernel
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Used to not really work

somber leaf
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it's... bugged?

loud coral
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40% is nuts wow

shy plinth
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Wait so it's +.2 to gold and -.2 to blue?

honest kernel
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It was

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But now it works fine

shy plinth
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That's very powerful lol

somber leaf
formal gust
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it is insane

somber leaf
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not as intended haha

formal gust
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I haven't looked back

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I forgot

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what it was like

shy plinth
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I dunno just take it and keep it until they change it (if they do)

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It's really really good

formal gust
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same with persuasion

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honestly not having boon reroll is painful

honest kernel
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It ends up being like an extra boon/extra Centaur Heart or Pom per biome minimum

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It's Very noticeable

shy plinth
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I'd think it would be even more than that tbh

somber leaf
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no rerolls and all common is 😢

shy plinth
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There are 30 rooms it can influence

honest kernel
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Edited it for minimum

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But yeah

shy plinth
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Ah yeah

true fable
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it's not all common if you run god's pride 🧠

formal gust
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more boons = more boons to sell

somber leaf
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oh no I meant RI1 is sad

shy plinth
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It's super punishing

true fable
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yeah thats why RI/UC/AP/CF compound in a really obnoxious way

honest kernel
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A scam of 2 heat

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Literally

formal gust
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RI1 is probably the single most devastating rank of anything

true fable
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you just end up with 0 boons

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no happiness

somber leaf
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EM4 seems./.. much much worse

honest kernel
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EM4 is 4 heat

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It's also probably undervalued

formal gust
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RI1 is such a colossal jump

shy plinth
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The worst single rank of anything is personal liability since it comes with 100 hours of grinding 😉

somber leaf
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yeah, it feels like 6 to me though I'm not confident. whjole new phase, plus two phases get harder?

true fable
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the problem is that none of these are bad (except AP/RI) in a vacuum

formal gust
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HS is kind of a bad rank but you can circumvent it

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less bad with stubborn

true fable
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you can circumvent it by simply not stepping on da trap

honest kernel
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HS does nothing until you goof up and it ends your run

formal gust
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like losing a DD from an arrow trap in elysium sucks

shy plinth
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Getting urned sucks

formal gust
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but losing a stubborn is less bad

true fable
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yeah i've lost a few arthur runs to urns tbh

formal gust
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true

somber leaf
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lava and urns mean no HS for me ever ever again

formal gust
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did you beat 40 arthur

true fable
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no

formal gust
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what pact are you using

true fable
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i got tired of cycling gilga-arthur-zag shield and getting nothing done

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so i went and did 45 rama instead

honest kernel
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I did 45 heat Arthur with a cursed pact lol

formal gust
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45 heat arthur is very difficult I want to do 40 first

honest kernel
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^ much more reasonnable

shy plinth
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My quick math indicates it's about 5 heat easier

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Good place to start

loud coral
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40 heat Arthur wasn't too bad

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45 sounds terrible though

sly remnant
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its important to remember that heat does not scale linearly. its much worse

formal gust
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yeah I think 40 all weapns is going to be my immediate goal

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I already have 2 done

true fable
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im gonna try 40 arthur again

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i just

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feel so bad

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for throwing that ME run

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LOL

formal gust
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I'll avenge you

loud coral
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Just run ME on Arthur bigbrain

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then have the run end from an urn when dad is at 0.5% health

true fable
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ketchup i dont know if you were here but i did

loud coral
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Damn

honest kernel
true fable
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i had 3 ares and 3 athena boons leaving tartarus

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that looks fairly sane baj

sly remnant
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pls drop an FO for some RI

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arthur does not need boons

true fable
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i dont think FO2 is that bad until you get to bosses

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then it's terrible

honest kernel
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I did 45 heat already lol

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But yeah

mossy zinc
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Needs more RI.

true fable
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i think i tried that pact

loud coral
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Gonna be real here I actually take TD3 on Arthur

honest kernel
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FO1 is much more consistent I'd bet

loud coral
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wow i can't spell arthur

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TD3 isn't that bad on Arthur imo but that's just me

mossy zinc
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Do RI3 FO0. squirtnya

sly remnant
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arthur is decently fast without JS or D i think

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*Dc

loud coral
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Usually the massive size of the sword and being able to dash in-between the combo helps

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And honestly double edge is kinda insane on it

honest kernel
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I did TD3 CP2 JS3 on my 45 Arthur lmao

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With FO2

loud coral
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Man I'm gonna have to take CP2 on 45 Arthur aren't I

honest kernel
loud coral
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Eh I guess Arthur cancels out losing Thick Skin

honest kernel
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Yeah

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Keeping the Dash's important tho

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And without FO2, you should be more safe overall

true fable
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ok i return to arthur/gilga/zag shield hell

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maybe i should add GY to the mix for the complete astaos experience

loud coral
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Baj I think I'm more scared that you actually considered RI3 on 40

true fable
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do you really need 2 dashes on arthur

loud coral
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Imo yes

true fable
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hmmmmmm

honest kernel
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I'm surprised you said that and not FO2 lmao

loud coral
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Too far in the FO2 rabbit hole to be scared of it

honest kernel
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But on 40 I tend to keep the full mirror

true fable
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yall

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check something for me

loud coral
true fable
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how does this look for tidal dash gilga

loud coral
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I don't play Gilga but it looks good to me

honest kernel
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TD2 ?

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Hmm

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Sure

true fable
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TD2 yeah

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im not good enough with dash control on KBM for TD3 i dont think

honest kernel
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Could consider TD3 and droping JS and CF

true fable
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ive considered it

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hmm

honest kernel
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... if anything

true fable
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yeah maybe

honest kernel
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One more JS and one less CF

true fable
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i think CF doesnt matter that much

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i dont really care about boons tbh

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just want a decent call and athena boons

honest kernel
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CF2 is not needed here

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And filling your core boons makes it more likely you get Athena DDs/A call of your choice

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Meanwhile JS3 isn't that big of an issue with TD2

true fable
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that's fair

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hmm

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ok

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i'll consider it if i die

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.. i stepped on a spike trap lmao

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so JS1 CF0 TD3?

honest kernel
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You can keep TD2

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And just go JS3 CF1

true fable
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that's fair

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hmmm

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lol

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i got epic wave pounding and razor shoals in tartarus

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so thats it then

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i just dash into nerds until they die?

unreal pasture
true fable
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you got this

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RP jesus

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take the wheel

unreal pasture
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NO

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I died with him at 1/3rd phase 3 and a greater athena call

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This game is garbage

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So he came out of stealth and caught me

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I should have just popped it

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er, sorry, artemis call

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But Doomstone is actually insane if you have artemis call and any AOE

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I got to insta phase 1 him with 2 greater calls

true fable
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dang it happens

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close one

tidal flame
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I died with him at 1/3rd phase 3 and a greater athena call
This game is garbage
Honestly, I can relate with this xD

shy plinth
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I should not have tried to learn Zeus shield on td3

somber leaf
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Yeah Zeus shield is quite hard to learn I find. I’ve only tried it 3 times but holy balls

shy plinth
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I'm just gonna study some videos before I run it back

honest kernel
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I only run TD3 because I optimized sticking the special on enemies HARD

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Otherwise, prepare to get timed out

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With any ammount of JS/CP

shy plinth
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I'm just learning how to hit things with it

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Power couple took forever

honest kernel
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I could see that yeah

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I meg that fight ... assuming I get it, it's awkward with DC2 lol

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Antos is a legitimate option too

shy plinth
#

Yeah like I'm not pushing heats that high, just trying to learn things outside of my comfort zone

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Gonna watch some of your runs to see how to position better

true fable
#

@honest kernel was zeus shield the first weapon you picked up

honest kernel
#

Was actually Achilles lmao

true fable
#

oh neat

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better than me and chaos shield lmao

honest kernel
#

Dunno when I made the switch

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But I knew that Zeus shield was somewhat underrated, and wanted to push it

shy plinth
#

You bull rush a lot

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I need to do that more

honest kernel
#

Keep in mind this is with 1-dash

shy plinth
#

Ah yes

honest kernel
#

With 2 dashes, you can dash attack instead

shy plinth
#

I'll watch your 50

honest kernel
#

... I use the special a lot less often lmao

shy plinth
#

Yeah you yo-yo it a lot

honest kernel
#

I could probably just record a speedrun or something

shy plinth
#

Just fire it out and yank it back

honest kernel
#

And show what I learned from like a month back

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I'm a lot more aggro nowadays

shy plinth
#

I would watch it

honest kernel
#

That or I actually beat 59

shy plinth
#

Oh yeah just do that instead

honest kernel
#

But either way, bullrushing or dash attacking is fine

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I just prefer dash-attacking for positionning reasons

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Since Bullrush does knockback

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And it's not always needed

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It is a lot safer, tho

somber leaf
#

For which shield? Zeus?

honest kernel
#

Zeus aspect, yeah

somber leaf
#

Do you call back the shield a lot? I’m not great with it

honest kernel
#

Nowadays, if the shield isn't hitting an enemy, I recall it

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With my currently uploaded videos, I tend to let it stay put for longer than I'd like

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Outside of like my 57 heat clear

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But ideally, and this is something I've been optimizing, I tend to try to get the special on enemies as much as I can

hoary musk
#

I am ready to pay someone 20 dollars to beat this for me like arghhh 🤬 bow of Chiron just isn’t working for me at this high a heat

true fable
#

one thing that seems quite good is throwing out the zeus special to one side and then yoinking enemies into it with dash and standing attack

honest kernel
honest kernel
true fable
#

yeah you did it a lot with arty special

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superstar what build are you going for?

honest kernel
#

^

true fable
#

also where do you notice yourself taking the most damage/dying

hoary musk
# true fable superstar what build are you going for?

I’m just trying to find a solid pact of punishment to put together... I’ve been just using Artemis boons and trying to get Zeus bolts... with the pact im running now I don’t have options for certain choices

true fable
#

.. did you take AP?

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also finished 40 heat arthur finally

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nyaanyaa was right

hoary musk
#

.... yes lol I just find I take a lot of damage turning boss battles and during random encounters

true fable
#

mirror is overrated

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hmmm

honest kernel
#

And as a side note, Zeus special is ... not that great with Chiron. Lightning strikes have an innate cooldown of about 0.2 seconds : That means that with Chiron, you get about 2 hits max

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Dionysus and Artemis Special will work better

true fable
#

keep in mind chiron can basically just outrange any enemy in the game

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usual setups for chiron are aphro attack artemis special or aphro attack dio special

hoary musk
#

So then I shouldn’t have AP on then

true fable
#

i wouldnt

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i hate that pact

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i think most other people would agree

honest kernel
#

Depends on the heat you shoot for

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But at 32 ? Not needed

shy plinth
#

Getting proc blocked sucks

hoary musk
#

Okay got it... I just try to stay away from pacts that buff enemies which I know is ridiculous because that’s impossible but yeah I’m just trying 32 still

honest kernel
#

Some are awful

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Like Calisthenics Program

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And Jury Summons, if you max out the timer

true fable
#

hmm i would just avoid more than 1 level of JS

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for chiron

honest kernel
#

Benefits Package is ... ok, for the first level

true fable
#

everything else besides RI/AP feels like fair game

shy plinth
#

Are you on DC2 for Chiron

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It's pretty free

honest kernel
#

DC2 on Chiron is fine

unreal pasture
#

well, we're back... I need the prayers 🙏

honest kernel
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Or Damage Control, rather

hoary musk
#

Yeah I’ll try and get a pick of what I was running

honest kernel
unreal pasture
#

I got patty, but I lost it... 3 sack

honest kernel
#

Oof

unreal pasture
#

I'm actually so salty, I might seed this run until I win

honest kernel
#

Nothing wrong with that, go for it if you want

true fable
#

good luck my friend

honest kernel
#

And to you too, TDR

unreal pasture
#

died 😦

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Losing Patty buff is really annoying

honest kernel
#

Alright, time do to this

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59, here we go again

hoary musk
shy plinth
#

Oh goodness

hoary musk
#

Clearly I have no idea what I’m doing lol 😂

shy plinth
#

RI1 AP2??

#

You're making this a lot more difficult for yourself

hoary musk
#

What would you recommend?

toxic token
#

cp hl?

shy plinth
#

No CP

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Mostly HL, JS1 seems fine

#

You're on chiron so you can do DC2

toxic token
#

you can max dc too because of chiron

shy plinth
#

Even one tick of LC is fine

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But AP2 RI1 is just making your run so much harder

hoary musk
#

Yeah it was proving to be extremely annoying as of the last few hours lol

shy plinth
#

At 32 you don't need to deal with either of those

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We were just talking about RI1 earlier, it's probs the most punishing two heat in the game

#

You're going to have to push HL and LC at some point

toxic token
#

even 1 cp 1 hl and 1 lc is so much better than fo

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fo is one of the hardest imo

shy plinth
#

It's pretty important to get used to if you're pushing beyond 32

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But it is hard for sure

hoary musk
#

Should I change anything else you think?

tidal flame
tidal flame
#

32 heat set up is so diverse people in this chat argue all the time about the best pact.

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I say just do it and tweak from there

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What you have is fine.

hoary musk
#

You guys don’t use DD do you? From what I’ve read up the thread it sounds like you guys use SD

shy plinth
#

There are a ton of options for sure

tidal flame
#

Your LC level is 1, just stick with DD.

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If you really want to try SD, crank your Lasting Consequences up so you get more values.

hoary musk
#

Okay cool thanks everyone

somber leaf
#

How much health do you need for SD to be sufficient for Hades? I’d hate to die then get immediately one shorted

tidal flame
#

With EM4 I can probably do that if I pog way up which is rare.

hoary musk
#

What if you’re someone who gets hit a lot? Lol 😂 asking for a friend...

tidal flame
#

Basically let's hope your heat isn't too overwhelming. Obviously, the hotter it gets the more punishing the game will be.

shy plinth
#

You can turn down HL one level

hoary musk
tidal flame
#

Also try FO2 if you dare. I think it will alleviate a lot of other heat options. But it's fine if you don't want to.

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Like I said, at 32 heat you have options.

shy plinth
#

FO2... I think it's a good idea until I get to asterius every time

tidal flame
#

True. I think the most dangerous FO2 area is Elysium, especially boss.

shy plinth
#

Yeah, boss and archers

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Not that I love shields either

tidal flame
#

I hate the chariots and by extension the Asterius bull rush

#

near impossible to react tbh

#

You need to see it coming

shy plinth
#

Oh yeah the bull rush is nuts and the chariots will just knock you over, especially if you get an unpleasant bp2 combo

unreal pasture
#

Seed playthrough #4: ron

tidal flame
unreal pasture
#

It's actually odd how much the seed changes... and I can't really find out what it altering the seed...
It seems like how quickly you clear rooms

true fable
#

yall

#

i think i have a new entry to the shame hall of fame

#

i just finished 40 heat zag shield

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and then realized

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it wasnt 40 heat

#

it was 39 heat

tidal flame
#

Truly an achievement to not even glance at your heat level once the entire run.

true fable
#

i am

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so dumb

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LOL

tidal flame
#

Nah, your name is on a wall somewhere. Only important people have their names on a wall.

true fable
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im not even gonna put it in victory boasting

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im deleting this

tidal flame
#

Dew it

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Coward

true fable
#

you cant make me

tidal flame
#

I'll come to your house rn

true fable
#

sigh

#

time to do 40

unreal pasture
#

god damn it

#

I'm getting lots of Hades EM4 practice on this seed though... shadegrief

true fable
#

pulverizing critstop actually gets kind of annoying

#

only spears left

#

trying to figure out which non achilles spear will feel the least miserable

#

its a solid tie between all three

unreal pasture
#

Yeah... Spear needs hammers too much

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And it feels like even if you get the best stuff, you still don't even out damage other weapons/aspects

toxic token
#

you say that because you havent played guan yu posseidon special duo zeus

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idk if it works on high heat

true fable
#

i think

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starting anything other than athena feels suicidal

gaunt fiber
proud jay
true fable
#

lol

#

i think im going to do hades/zag first

#

might just start lightning strike on zag and cheese it for flurry jab

#

hades felt fine but i die a lot with serrated i have realized

gaunt fiber
#

yeah it's common when you're not used to it

true fable
#

😦

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lost a DD to T&A and then died to dad

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is what it is

gaunt fiber
#

do you dash strike with both inputs at the same time?

true fable
#

nah

#

well

gaunt fiber
#

good

true fable
#

sometimes

#

depends i guess

#

it's better to delay it if you're trying to play safe right

gaunt fiber
#

I think so

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And you have better movement too

#

like dashing in without divine dash is

#

rip

true fable
#

yup

#

bp2 feels like a pretty bad pact for spear in particular for some reason

#

like bp2 combos end up being worse than usual when i play spear

gaunt fiber
#

lol

#

I have this problem with Hestia, saviors for life

true fable
#

god im watching retrash's 45 heat GY and he did paperwork with meg before the run

#

what a chad

gaunt fiber
#

I wonder if I can achieve 45 mirrorless

#

RI is actually free heat

rain sedge
gaunt fiber
#

jk

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But it's a fun challenge

rain sedge
#

what's the max mirrorless run?

#

I have a feeling it's crepes

gaunt fiber
#

Tailesque 46 Rama

rain sedge
#

chad

#

did anyone do 58 when I wasnt around?

gaunt fiber
#

I don't think so

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I tried Rama yesterday

rain sedge
#

im gonna try it soon during my work hours

gaunt fiber
#

But it was vs Skelly and I had to try 4 times before getting the dash strike powershot

edgy arrow
rain sedge
#

my manager and I have a gentlemen's agreement where during the christmas period I'm doing """self-learning""" but we know I aint gonna do jack

gaunt fiber
#

lmao what is this

rain sedge
#

yea my manager is cool

#

I got TD3-ed yesterday during zag bow run

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was unfun

edgy arrow
#

my manager is cool but like, not that cool lol

gaunt fiber
#

Well dash strikes always do different damage

rain sedge
#

how do I know, issa bow

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I'll give it a try

sly remnant
#

Game - I'm gonna give you +1 cast
Me - :D
Game - but i'm gonna cross out every cast you see from here on out
Me - D:

gaunt fiber
#

But I thought you were supposed to dash strike to get the powershot easily

rain sedge
#

a few weeks ago I was burnt out, I told him, and he told me to take 4 days off for free lol

#

I think that's when I did my remaining 40 heat for my weapons

gaunt fiber
#

Burnt out by heat

#

legit

edgy arrow
#

haha nice

honest kernel
#

So, 2 more attempts that got to Styx

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It was a good time even without Than and Patrocleus, and the damage was pretty great

rain sedge
#

baj, why arent you using the hell mode save?

#

you can be the first 60 heat player

honest kernel
#

I want to see if I can to this without Timing out

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AKA without CP1

#

Hellmode locks you into this

#

I had the extra DD, but I timed out in the Heroes fight

#

So I lost it there

#

... if I had the DD, that was probably a win

#

But maybe not

mossy zinc
#

Nice!

honest kernel
rain sedge
#

seems like you're super close, king

honest kernel
#

... I'm legit just mad

#

So many attempts had the damage, but I die to rooms that aren't even that hard

rain sedge
#

don't be too hard for yourself king, it's 59 heat, you're going where no one has ever been

#

it's meant to be hard, the imminent victory will be all the more delicious

#

@ channel or something when you get the clear

gaunt fiber
#

or everyone

mossy zinc
#

Or no one.

gaunt fiber
honest kernel
#

Not sure if I have the nerves to do it

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Or, at this point, the patience

gaunt fiber
#

59 or ping everyone?

honest kernel
#

59 heat

#

I ain't pinging anyone, if the win comes

gaunt fiber
#

You got it

#

Just have to take some breaks

#

and throw your special to win

#

I think

honest kernel
#

I'll probably just stop for now

#

In fact, I kinda started earlier than I should

gaunt fiber
#

Nice I can steal the throne

honest kernel
#

Hmm

sly remnant
#

what if ruthless reflex was good

#

and we were all underrating it

rain sedge
#

I used to play ruthless reflex

#

then I got good

proud jay
#

what if the +50% damage is all we need to clear 58 heat

honest kernel
#

That means no RI3

#

and at that point ... what heat do you cut over it

proud jay
#

wasn't retrash's 58 attempt with RI2

honest kernel
#

What heat did he not turn on

#

CP1 because of hellmode

#

So what's the last heat he didn't take

#

Got the screenshot, JS is at 2

#

... and he was doing it with nemesis of all things

#

He also did an attempt with Zeus Shield, which was RI3, but he was on TD2, with maxed JS

#

Like, I'd consider doing that, but I want to clear EM4 on high heat

#

And without having to deal with him at CP1 or CP2

sly remnant
#

50% damage is a lot

ripe crane
#

I was trying 59 yesterday for two hours or so. Think I might just try 58 with PL and without RI3. Getting all the damage to lineup to not run out of time is just a huge pain. Boiling blood will help with that

sly remnant
#

And we have all been getting used to one dash

ripe crane
#

Also don't have to fish for greatest reflex so hard

#

One dash is butt, I ain't tryna beat be EM4 dad like that

unreal pasture
#

I played pretty much all of my first ... 50-60 runs with Ruthless Reflex

honest kernel
#

like, I can do EM4 now

#

But that still won't solve the main issue that is the timer

toxic token
#

What weapons are you guys using to try 58?

honest kernel
#

Zeus Shield here

ripe crane
#

Hestia

sly remnant
#

Timer is an issue. We all know that

toxic token
#

Oh they are in your names okzaglol

sly remnant
#

I wish I had a better solution

proud jay
#

retrash probably tries whatever has the +darkness bonus

sly remnant
#

LMFAO

honest kernel
#

And got super close with Nemesis of all things

#

Like hot damn

sly remnant
#

Idk 50% damage is a lot damage

ripe crane
#

It is

honest kernel
#

^

proud jay
#

at least nemesis can pump out damage

sly remnant
#

Its just something I've been experimenting with

#

I've also been playing with high confidence but that is so i get used to 50 hp

ripe crane
#

If only I had started playing Eris 😢

proud jay
#

isn't hestia just better at 50+

sly remnant
#

^

proud jay
#

eris struggles with AP

sly remnant
#

And RI honestly

#

Or atleast our current understanding of eris

ripe crane
#

O? Interesting

#

I never play Eris so I don't know xd

honest kernel
#

Needs a good attack to really get going

#

Which, for AP2, is a lot to ask

sly remnant
#

Eris doesn't need much but ut needs a few very specific things

ripe crane
#

Tbh I expect that Tail already has 60 ready to drop on us if we ever get close

honest kernel
#

^ half-seriously

#

Which I sure as hell am not getting for now, apparently

ripe crane
#

I'm just jealous of weapons that don't care about DC

gaunt fiber
#

At least you don't care about boons

ripe crane
#

Looking at 60, there is not much more skill required to beat it than what we've already done. Just need luckier boons/hammers and that isn't very fun

#

Sure you can play a little cleaner and save some time, but I doubt it's enough to make up for a less than stellar build

#

Imo Hades is so fun because you never get a truly unplayable build. You can make anything work until you get to where we're at. Then it becomes a lot less enjoyable to try to push heat higher

sly remnant
#

i actually hate pushing heat, but i love the discoveries we learn from it

toxic token
#

Yes but that seems normal you are almost at the end... I think heat was mostly made for players to choose about their weaknesses and not about using it all

#

Sure you can do it just don't expect to have fun

mossy zinc
unreal pasture
#

It's almost a permanent uptime against some bosses... heroes it's really close

#

And even just solo asterius

rain sedge
#

well, eris struggle with AP. I had to reset everytime I didnt get lightning strike by chamber 8 for my 50, and that's only 50

#

RI wasn't a bigger deal compared to other weapons

sly remnant
rain sedge
#

for a successful eris run, you want the standard athena kit, chain lightning, and jolted. If you can pray for splitting bolt sure, but it's like... not necessary?

#

you take whatever you get on special really

mossy zinc
#

That's a lot more boons than an aspect that doesn't need any.

ripe crane
#

Even hesty needs more help than shackle with JS3/CP2 and everything else

rain sedge
#

well, every 50+ run needs athena

#

so basically it's just chain lightning and jolted

mossy zinc
ripe crane
#

150 is a pretty small number as we've seen with Achilles. Bump Hestia up to 200 too imo

rain sedge
#

I'll paypal whoever managed to get amir to rework sac mechanic

#

like at least for speedrun and high heat

#

40 heat guarantees no 5 sac, 50 heat guarantees no 4 sac

#

55 guarantees 2 sac

#

ez

mossy zinc
#

I propose a cleaning of the Discord server. Ban everyone who keeps complaining about TD and sack mechanics. squirtnya

gaunt fiber
#

^

mossy zinc
#

Also anyone who says Guan Yu is bad.

gaunt fiber
#

^^^^^^^^^^

sly remnant
#

I propose a cleaning of the Discord server. Ban everyone who complains about EM4.

mossy zinc
#

While trying to spin at a charging Lout.

rain sedge
#

civil war it is then .

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
#

rally to me, sac mechanics hater! vanquish this evil witch @mossy zinc

#

may you only get 5 sac from now on, you evil incarnate!

mossy zinc
#

Yes. m indeed an evil witch.

rain sedge
#

reasonable people to my side, nya and astaos to the other side

mossy zinc
unreal pasture
#

I kind of like the sack value ... if I'm not playing high heat

rain sedge
#

lol is that riri with purple hair

unreal pasture
#

Well. Not the sack so much, but that there's so many chambers

gaunt fiber
unreal pasture
#

It'd be nice if Hades had a loop system

#

The game isn't over until I have every duo

mossy zinc
#

That is Mal from Disney's Descendants. (Dove Cameron)

ripe crane
#

Guan Yu is the sack mechanic of weapons

mossy zinc
#

Daughter of Maleficent.

mossy zinc
gaunt fiber
rain sedge
ripe crane
#

Maybe I like the sack mechanic. It is a mystery itisamystery

unreal pasture
#

Is it just me... or did the buffering to input of GY's dash stuff kind of mess with it... and feels worse?

gaunt fiber
#

So you fear fire, I see

gaunt fiber
unreal pasture
#

Granted, I didn't play a ton of GY pre-patch, it just feels so clunky on dash strikes

#

Oh? I don't like the input buffering though...

mossy zinc
rain sedge
#

dash striking with GY instead of just pressing special for 50 chambers 🤔

unreal pasture
#

I'd prefer to get the bigger, wider, conical one more consistently

mossy zinc
#

You can do it consistently.

unreal pasture
#

But... I've just been feeling like I should be playing KBM for some weapons

#

Yeah... you can... but I'm not really practiced on the aspect

#

And I don't really like how it feels

gaunt fiber
#

You just need 200 runs or so

#

don't worry

mossy zinc
#

You can dash between the 3-hit Attack combo now like on Stygius.

unreal pasture
#

The timing window is super odd... and if you mash at all you just get stuck in the wrong animations ron it's like Arthur

mossy zinc
#

Special > Dash-Strike x2 rotation is entirely unaffected.

unreal pasture
#

zaglol it's funny how you hate Stygius... but like GY

mossy zinc
#

And that's optimal for DPS anyway.

gaunt fiber
#

We had some bad days without double dash strike tho

unreal pasture
#

When it's got that kind of similar dynamic

mossy zinc
#

But the Attack is actually useful now with the damage buff, and the mobility helps a lot.

unreal pasture
#

Do you play KBM or pad?

mossy zinc
#

Pad.

unreal pasture
#

Because... like... it will lock your direction on the 3 hit combo and that irks me

#

So you can whiff if you dash perpendicular to your target

mossy zinc
#

Dash > aim > Attack.

honest kernel
#

The rather long universal Dash-Strike window has got some thoughts on that.

mossy zinc
#

I dunno. Just practice.

#

Make use of the range the regular Attack has. It's much easier to aim from that far away.

dapper quiver
#

Arthur aspect is actually one of my favorite even though it's probably not that good, pretty easy to get used to dashing around during your combo

mossy zinc
#

Not good at what?

dapper quiver
#

High heat

gaunt fiber
#

dying with, too much hp

mossy zinc
#

Excalibur handles RI a lot better than most aspects.

dapper quiver
#

Find it rather slow for FO2

proud jay
#

it is

mossy zinc
#

It's why I've been telling people to take RI over FO. Obviously doesn't work once you need to turn on both.

rain sedge
#

wow I hate playing bow

dapper quiver
#

Really? Bow is one of my favorites too, all the aspects are good

#

Rama and Chiron are amazing

rain sedge
#

explosive shot or twin shot btw?

#

tail?

dapper quiver
#

I like twin shot better, easier to get a power shot

#

Up to preference I would say though

rain sedge
#

hmm ok, I took twin

#

why is it easier for powershot?

dapper quiver
#

Explosive shot slows down your charge a ton, takes a lot longer to power shot

rain sedge
#

I see I see

#

chamber 9 heart rend lol

#

nvm instant punished by god trial

sly remnant
#

i'm p sure explosive is never correct on rama

rain sedge
#

I was on zag bow

sly remnant
#

oh

rain sedge
#

and now the option is perfect shot or triple shot

#

this one is rama

sly remnant
#

triple

rain sedge
#

and just use it like a shotgun?

sly remnant
#

bingo

rain sedge
#

ok

sly remnant
#

you are now playing a thinly disguised melee weapon

rain sedge
#

wow bow really sucks

#

I keep getting hit while trying to powershot

dapper quiver
#

Rama also has a really slow charge time, I'd focus on getting your special out for shared suffering and just charging as much as you can without getting hit

rain sedge
#

this run gave me a lot more respect for tail

gaunt fiber
#

Classic Stubborn Roots carry

#

Or probably Frost strike

rain sedge
#

cool 32 zag bow is done

#

I swear I must have rolled for heart rend like 8 times

#

and failed them all

edgy arrow
#

my record for number of times i’ve missed heart rend in a run is 11

#

yes i’m keeping track, yes i am salty

hoary musk
#

I stayed up until 6AM... got to 3rd world and timed out 😫 This 32 heat will be the death of me lol 😂

rain sedge
#

just rama remaining for bow

mossy zinc
rain sedge
#

ccan you show us your boon summary screen nya

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I wanna see how many aphro boons youve gotten

solemn pulsar
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i showed you my boons pls respond

gaunt fiber
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But yeah

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It was a grandma run

rain sedge
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11

edgy arrow
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oh no

rain sedge
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seems like I won

edgy arrow
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it’s the bad kind of streak lol

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i mean, that 11 was in one run, if we’re competing

rain sedge
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..............

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friends .

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is there uh .

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a thanatos bug where he just walks around endlessly .

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while trying to give you the heart .

mossy zinc
rain sedge
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ok seems like it's not endless, phew

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oh lol wow

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point blank shot, relentless volley, or repulse shot on rama?

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seems like point blank shot right

edgy arrow
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wow divine dash instead of passion dash at the top smh

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point blank for sure

mossy zinc
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Left is probably also okay.

rain sedge
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huh, the range is reaaallly short huh

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alecto almost got me

edgy arrow
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is melee bow anyway

rain sedge
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12

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this one is miniboss room too lol

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13

dire steppe
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i wanna play some hades but dont have mymouse with me

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keyboard trackpad hades

gaunt fiber
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ah

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I'm still bad

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rip

rain sedge
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14

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@edgy arrow your record is destroyed

edgy arrow
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oh no

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devastated rn

rain sedge
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KEKW

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for real though, this is getting really funny

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im not that mad since I think I'll still clear it but

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15

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I had to double check if I forgot the heart rend requirement lol

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ok I have 3 rolls for it at styx

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we'll see

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ok I only managed to get 2 rolls since I got a 2 sac, but it's 17 rolls for heart rend now that I've failed

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pretty good

edgy arrow
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be tough to beat for sure lol

rain sedge
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bet

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well I'm not too mad, got patty and 2 sac, and I beat hades handily

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all 32 bows done now

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but yeah, I think that heart rend record won't be beaten in a long time

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in fact I'll post the victory screen just for that

gaunt fiber
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I was having the most fun of my life

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and I got cut off by a BS spin