even though 50 heat basically doesn't let you do too much with hera most of the time
#h1-high-heat-strategies
daring hedge
honest kernel
The more I think about it/play with it, the more I like Zeus special start on Achilles
daring hedge
for DC or just in general?
formal gust
zeus special on achilles what madness is this
daring hedge
because it sounds pretty decent actually
formal gust
high heat is a whole different world
honest kernel
For DC mainly, but in general it's actually worked fine
formal gust
I but a lowly any heat-er
true fable
finished 40 nem
true fable
turns out nem's pretty good when you get dedge and piercing wave
sly remnant
grats bright!
formal gust
or just 41
true fable
my streaks dead so i might just do 24 x 40 for funsies
sly remnant
can the streak be only beo?
formal gust
with stygian that would be pretty nightmarish
true fable
i cant really call it a streak i only got 3 weapons lol. i died when i went back to sword
sly remnant
nah
daring hedge
finished 40 nem
oh nice grats!
true fable
TY!
sly remnant
40 heat beo with stygian is very comfy
formal gust
ok bright I have to put 46 hestia on hold
honest kernel
I've done 45 Achilles with Zeus special start ... somewhat effortlessly. You can literally work off of any cast, since DC isn't much of an issue. You can also build on attack as well
formal gust
to get 41 nem
true fable
LOL
formal gust
at least 41
true fable
I've done 45 Achilles with Zeus special start ... somewhat effortlessly. You can...
this is why i was doing arty attack start for a while
both hunting blades and meme beam are solid pivots
and i never hate seeing flood shot/zeus cast either
true fable
so if you dont mind like 1/2 of the casts in the game why start a cast
honest kernel
^
true fable
i still need to earn back my honor after throwing away 2 DDs against dad with hestia
LMAO
true fable
i think cast start on achilles might be a trap
ripe crane
Cin
formal gust
bright my new goal is to beat your aspects by 1 heat
sly remnant
i'm pretty sure cast start on almost any weapon is a trap
ripe crane
Did you beat 45 hesty
ripe crane
: O !!!
formal gust
just one extra HL
true fable
good luck doing 33 soaker cin
formal gust
that doesnt count
true fable
LOL
sly remnant
oh wait is the soaker heat record 32
true fable
oh hell no
daring hedge
lol
formal gust
restrictions dont count
honest kernel
Almost did 40 a bunch of times
sly remnant
40's doable
true fable
but i need to get arthur out of the way first
formal gust
I have a lot to do
true fable
if i finish arthur then i've done all swords at 40
somehow zag sword took the fewest tries
someone kill me
formal gust
sigh
mossy zinc
i still need to earn back my honor after throwing away 2 DDs against dad with he...
That ship has sailed.
mossy zinc
Same goes for @honest kernel.
honest kernel
Wait I had honor to save to begin with
true fable
if i've learned anything from this game it's that there's glory in a futile struggle
honest kernel
What
honest kernel
^
gaunt fiber
Lmao
mossy zinc
Baj is literally that "Oh yeah, let me step into that pool of blood since you're asking so nicely" victory screen.
true fable
i love how you recall the spear so purposefully before it too
like you were actually gonna do something
mossy zinc
A man on a mission.
honest kernel
I got out a 'little' early
sly remnant
i like rose start
daring hedge
you could go either honestly
sly remnant
but bablo does owl and he's better than me
daring hedge
or third option: go shackle
sly remnant
TD2 yea?
sly remnant
dark foresight is good
gaunt fiber
Or pierced butterfly
daring hedge
you don't need RI2 at 40
true fable
i suppose not
daring hedge
where's your heat spread for this?
true fable
gimme a sec
sly remnant
inb4 nyaanyaa coming in to tell you RI4
honest kernel
^
true fable
mossy zinc
@honest kernel did you scream "Leeroy Jenkins"?
honest kernel
<@456226577798135808> did you scream "Leeroy Jenkins"?
I should have lol
mossy zinc
RI4 difficulty is overrated.
sly remnant
turn off one JS and one CP for AP
honest kernel
But for real, autopilot kicked in the last moment I expected it to
gaunt fiber
This is not gonna work
true fable
i hate AP
sly remnant
i mean same
true fable
i absolutely despise
daring hedge
why is this 40 heat
now that you mention it, it does somehow look more than 40 even though it's not
sly remnant
but arthur doesn't hate AP
daring hedge
AP1 wouldn't hurt too bad
true fable
i haven't used AP since i first cleared 40 heat lol
sly remnant
this is why rin is better waifu than artoria
true fable
that pact tears at the fiber of my being
sly remnant
rin would hate AP too
gaunt fiber
true fable
fate stay night is dead to me
mossy zinc
m genuinely considering at least RI3 TD2 for Excalibur at 40 over FO2.
honest kernel
That moment when my 45 heat Excalibur went TD3 FO2
true fable
it's a matter of principle for me
sly remnant
lmfao baj
true fable
baj you're just a gamer ok
mossy zinc
32 RI4 Excalibur was honestly really easy. The only issue was TD3 was cutting it really close. TD2 should be fine.
true fable
@honest kernel what was your pact again?
gaunt fiber
Mirrorless proselytism passing by
honest kernel
<@456226577798135808> what was your pact again?
Did it on a whim, ended up first-trying it lol
proud jay
i spot poseidon's aid and rip current
honest kernel
i spot poseidon's aid and rip current
It was really good that run
proud jay
esp with no DC
daring hedge
that arthur pact is actually pretty similar to when i did 46 but i took RI2 and DC1 instead of any JS or CP lol
formal gust
also
true fable
i think i took 1 more CF and didnt take TD3/CP2/AP
formal gust
barely not one shotting something with hestia is depressing
true fable
i love yeeting myself into a crowd with rip current
proud jay
and then you think you could just shoot at it a little bit more before reloading
but then on the next same enemy you don't do that
sly remnant
bablo don't attack me like that
formal gust
this is why poseidon's call is one of the best
daring hedge
bright wheres the screen where i did 2 power shot damage to an armored enemy
honest kernel
That or it's juuuust out of range of the regular attack
daring hedge
lmao
true fable
formal gust
using poseidon call before stripping damage control moment
true fable
cursed rama image
daring hedge
the shared suffering 1 oh my god
honest kernel
using poseidon call before stripping damage control moment
With Razor Shoals it's not that bad of a plan
Or if you wall slam in small rooms
formal gust
what
daring hedge
let's go
true fable
ive been given 2 ares boons and 4 athena boons in tartarus
formal gust
sly remnant
LMAO
true fable
how could it not
honest kernel
bruh
formal gust
tounis moment
honest kernel
Like the one time I tried to fish for Stubborn Roots on RI4 (Before I knew you needed Skelly Tooth prior) and the game went "Oh you want an Athena duo ? Here have Merciful End"
true fable
i am leaving tartarus with 3 ares boons and 4 athena boons
formal gust
they both have stubborn
true fable
this makes me somewhat sad
sly remnant
lmao why
formal gust
RESET
sly remnant
the game is supposed to be fun
formal gust
formal gust
wtf is this
true fable
LOL
sinful basin
Thats bonkers holy moly
sly remnant
demeter fists mains big mad at that screenshot
sly remnant
LMAO HE DOES
gaunt fiber
What is this
sly remnant
its the good DD too look at his health
gaunt fiber
So this is having a mirror
sly remnant
ye dark foresight is pretty good turns out
honest kernel
The forbidden power
gaunt fiber
Ooof
mossy zinc
@formal gust that's very rude. You should apologize.
gaunt fiber
I don't mind
formal gust
I said I was joking
rain sedge
<@!218492141482016768> that's very rude. You should apologize.
ya stop being rude to astaos
sly remnant
what is happening in this chat
mossy zinc
Astaos is the reigning Guan Yu mirrorless champion. You should be more respectful.
honest kernel
"Welcome to the Hades High Heat Lounge"
rain sedge
Astaos is the reigning Guan Yu mirrorless champion. You should be more respectfu...
what
isnt that you
mossy zinc
He did 40. I did 32.
mossy zinc
This is not reddit.
honest kernel
Noice
rain sedge
whoa, I actually take offence to being likened to reddit
formal gust
it is the worst insult
gaunt fiber
isnt that you
You may bow now
mossy zinc
You could also spear.
gaunt fiber
...
mossy zinc
I got that Bouldy reference.
formal gust
I consider myself to be pretty okay at the guan of the yu variety
mossy zinc
Nice.
rain sedge
it is the worst insult
there's also being likened to 4chan
formal gust
yes
gaunt fiber
I got that Bouldy reference.
Don't you think I have an impersonation talent?
formal gust
reddit at least kind of attempts to disguise the fact that it's a cesspit
4chan is just
instant degeneracy
frame 1
gaunt fiber
instant degeneracy
Do you mean weebs
formal gust
i don't really want to get into it
honest kernel
Honestly best to leave the convo as is
gaunt fiber
Bright's fault
gaunt fiber
More enemies to regen on
sly remnant
is JS that bad? i never mind it
honest kernel
It's not that bad until you get a billion witches
formal gust
More enemies to regen on
Listen I love Gy but it is not because of the regen
gaunt fiber
Everything is amazing about GY
formal gust
Is this recorded
Perhaps I will throw my hat into the ring of GY mirrorless
oh [heck] why did I say that
gaunt fiber
The clan is growing
formal gust
What have I gotten myself into
gaunt fiber
It's too late
formal gust
rain sedge
Do you mean weebs
calling people weebs while you have an anime profile pic is a bit
gaunt fiber
I like calling people weebs even if I like a lot of japanese things
formal gust
What pact
gaunt fiber
What heat?
formal gust
32
gaunt fiber
LC4 TD2 EM3 BP MM
No HS no HL
No FO
Just add things till it's 32
You could check my 40 pact 
It has HL tho, which can end a run pretty fast
mossy zinc
I'd do that for 32 mirrorless. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/787460122481393674/Hades_1239.png?width=780&height=439
Pacts.
Pretty chill. If you get hit, just heal up.
FO0 means you can easily spin without Quick Spin.
sly remnant
no one has done mirrorless beo yet huh?
just kidding that sounds absolutely no fun at all
gaunt fiber
I don't know what beo is
honest kernel
You basically play as an WWE fighter
You RKO stuff out of nowhere
What's the acronym again for Wrestling
mossy zinc
just kidding that sounds absolutely no fun at all
I tried with TD3, and it was no fun at all. TD2 should be very doable.
gaunt fiber
WWE
gaunt fiber
It seems fun
mossy zinc
Don't talk about your runs when things are going great. Just focus. 
true fable
true
gaunt fiber
Losing with ME 
formal gust
On a scale of 1 being free to 10 being Uber Ultra Difficult how hard is 32 mirrorless GY
true fable
i will try arthur 40 again in a sec
gaunt fiber
If you know the aspect a bit it should be ok, especially if you're used to FO2
mossy zinc
Second try, though. First run ended to Cloner Witches Poseidon trial.
gaunt fiber
FO0 is chill
mossy zinc
You're basically doing a 24 Heat run—but without your mirror.
gaunt fiber
But since it's the only thing I play idk
formal gust
I’m pretty decent at it
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/787488185961021450/unknown.png alright Baj, I am now a believer in Zeus shield
north dove
that was such a fast EM4 clear too
honest kernel
Told y'all that EM4 is doable on Zeus Shield
It's just me that can't do the fight on nerves
gaunt fiber
Like Retrash doing it is gonna convince us lmao
true fable
calculated wriste
yeah i love watching retrash videos because
sometimes i watch baj or tailesque and im like
wow zeus/rama is op
ive never been convinced that zag sword is op
LOL
how fast did this thing build call?
honest kernel
With Hanghover ? I'd say somewhat fast
north dove
pretty much smoldering air level
honest kernel
I just don't like it for rooms
Dio special that is
And for how often I stick the special on bosses, it often feels like a waste of damage
But it's not awful
In fact, the only specials I don't want on Zeus Shield are Poseidon and Ares (Non-Merciful End)
north dove
oh yeah I tried poseidon once and it was god awful
true fable
baj i meant to ask you
so is your main approach just tossing shield to one side and attack from the other
sly remnant
so the rules for mirrorless are literally just RI4 right?
true fable
ive noticed that in a lot of vods
honest kernel
My approach is a LOT different on 1-dash vs 2-dash
On 2-dash I'll do that and dash-attack a ton
on 1-dash, I'll pull a Chaos aspect and bullrush a bit more
But basically, I get in melee range like fists would, throw the special, cross-up whatever enemy, and continue bashing them with attacks
mossy zinc
so the rules for mirrorless are literally just RI4 right?
Yes.
honest kernel
A common mistake people do on Zeus shield
is throwing the special in non-melee range way too often
It's slow moving, you literally walk faster than it until you recall it
Unless you want to nab that enemy off-screen or that's about to spawn and plan on attacking others in the meantime, you should just play like fists
Except you have Bullrush
north dove
I don't think I used Bullrush once this run LOL
honest kernel
With 2-dashes, I don't bullrush as often
Dash attacks keeping your momentum is actually super nice
In fact, in my 40 heat speedruns I only bullrushed the bosses, and that's because I wanted to position myself for the special better
Or annoying BP rooms
honest kernel
I don't think I used Bullrush once this run LOL
But now that I think about it, did you record that run ?
north dove
unfortunately not
honest kernel
Alright
mossy zinc
@gaunt fiber btw a good tip for spinning on Guan Yu that you might have seen in my run earlier, don't use the dash spin.
I only use the dash spin for enemies that are very far away and out of reach of my regular spin.
gaunt fiber
Yeah the dash spin can be dangerous
mossy zinc
Most of the time, you just don't need the dash at all. And the dash puts you right in the midst of your enemies.
I think you can cancel the dash like any other dash, but it still puts you right in the direction of your enemies with one dash on CD.
There's no reason to be that close with Guan Yu.
gaunt fiber
And one dash is everything I have
gaunt fiber
Yes
edgy arrow
that’s something at least
gaunt fiber
I really like it vs Asterius
Nice to see
Thanks for the tip btw, even if experience made me stop to spin dash anyway (I remember dash spin in lernie, was painful)
At least when I have one dash
Getting the headslam into lava is a great combo
Death is a good teacher ngl
gaunt fiber
I tried it thanks to you too
When Athena is in my pool
I wish I could have done that for the 40 clear
mossy zinc
I guess Owl Pendant start would give you a better than 75% chance to get Divine Dash in Tartarus.
unreal pasture
Almost shocking that nobody did the " ☝️ ackshually, it's an aeleron roll"
mossy zinc
3/4 chance on the first boon.
gaunt fiber
Eternal Rose or nothing
mossy zinc
Of course.
unreal pasture
how often do you take life affirmation as a first boon on GY, by the way? If ever?
that weapon...
mossy zinc
As a first boon? You'd have to reroll for that.
unreal pasture
Oh, so you just wouldn't?
gaunt fiber
I take it quite often but it's because I go for Aphro a lot. It's not that much hp
mossy zinc
Well, if you start with a hammer, she can offer Life Affirmation on the first boon, I think.
unreal pasture
It's a pretty sizable chunk if ... you get it as your first boon
Erebus gates turn into 68? at common?
mossy zinc
Guan Yu halves that anyway.
unreal pasture
Yea
gaunt fiber
I'd rather have dying lament, empty inside honestly
Non epic life affirmation is whatever
honest kernel
Broken Resolve is good too
gaunt fiber
Yeah too
honest kernel
And Different League to an extent. Not sure how good it is on Guan-Yu
mossy zinc
First boon would be Attack or Special. I'd consider Life Affirmation if it's Epic.
gaunt fiber
And Different League to an extent. Not sure how good it is on Guan-Yu
Sometimes I take it but I don't really get to see the difference
mossy zinc
If you want to build for eHP, Guan Yu isn't the aspect to take lol.
gaunt fiber
I really like dying lament tho
mossy zinc
Different League is nice, though. Most damage you'd take would be from close range.
unreal pasture
Yeah, I'm aware... was just curious though... because I do like having more ehp
It's kind of nice being able to make mistakes
Or minimally, play fast
mossy zinc
Best eHP you get on Guan Yu is Acorn.
unreal pasture
It was odd that Wizard of Legend was the game that taught me to dash perpendicularly to enemies and not straight at them
gotta go fast
honest kernel
^ SAAAAME
gaunt fiber
I like a bit of HP for GY, like around 100
unreal pasture
I was asking because I had exactly 146... and Hade's spear 3 shot me in that run
So... having literally 5 more hp would have been nice
gaunt fiber
It's a decent pool
gaunt fiber
The thing is you don't want to waste that much gold laurel
mossy zinc
If you die in 3 hits, you'll die in 8 hits with Acorn.
unreal pasture
I got butterfly balls and doomstones on that run
Acorn definitely wasn't going to be a thing
gaunt fiber
EM4
mossy zinc
I don't do EM4 lol.
honest kernel
EM4 Guan-Yu sounds like pain lol
unreal pasture
I even got full heals off the Doomstone 
unreal pasture
Because it spawned so much garbage
gaunt fiber
The best thing is getting hit by a skull
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/787500442115375174/unknown.png nobody show this to Crepes
honest kernel
Weird Eris run but ok
daring hedge
you see the damage he lost is regained when jolted happens
sly remnant
lmfao
daring hedge
it's just a very staggered proc
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/787500442115375174/unk...
Congratulations on 45 boonless Hestia without Shackle!
true fable
lol
daring hedge
there's quite a lot of supplementary boons and hammers in there
it's not like hestia has to only do empowered shot
mossy zinc
Yeah.
sly remnant
aight lernie is hard on mirrorless
mossy zinc
I used Acorn in Asphodel btw.
somber leaf
what's a good fun shield build for 32 heat?
mossy zinc
Zeus Aspect, Heartbreak Flourish.
Get Unhealthy Fixation and Cold Embrace.
You'll have a disc fighting for and charming enemies for you, charmed enemies fighting for you, and Crystal Beams fighting for you.
somber leaf
I'm not the best with Zeus shield, but that sounds funnn haha
honest kernel
Getting Minotaur Rush and either Charged Shot or Sudden Rush with Artemis attack is also fun
You crit for big damage on powershots lol
sly remnant
also. dio beo is very very fun at 32 heat. get trippy flare on beowulf with stygian soul. Prioritize +1 cast from chaos or arti legendary. You want mirage shot from Arti and Poseidon
honest kernel
^ When the build gets online, it kills EVERYTHING
true fable
tyler did you see my 32 run where i got 3 braids at once
my well RNG was pretty insane that run
somber leaf
why Stygian?
mossy zinc
But my build has everything kill everything for you, while you also kill everything.
daring hedge
why Stygian?
trippy flare and shot linger on the field for a while before turning back into bloodstones
with stygian, you don't waste time waiting for the stones to pop back up
somber leaf
ahh that makes sense
sly remnant
In addition to what tail mentioned you are gonna be trying to clear rooms as fast as possible. You bullrush all the time on beo. Just slam whatever your cast button is regardless of whether you have a cast or not.
You'll find the damage break points on your own on whether you need a cast or not. Once you've figured out what those breakpoints are forget about checking for cast. If the cast helps you press your cast button. Hopefully something comes out
somber leaf
yeah... my 32 heat runs all rely on patroclus haha
formal gust
ok I uhh
forgot that guan yu mirrorless leaves you with 25 hp no dd
this is going to be
interesting
so can you just not gain health back ever
oh wait
guan yu innate regen...
somber leaf
aw my Zeus aspect sucks too much for me to do this haha
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/787524859655749642/unknown.png Dad got the triple sneak spawn... thankfully athena's aid is OP
honest kernel
THIS is what peak Gilgamesh looks like
north dove
unfortunately I had to sell an heroic engulfing vortex
so it could have been even greater
formal gust
Petition to ban retrash from complaining ever
dire steppe
petition to ban everyone who doesn’t main blade dash
honest kernel
Welp, there goes the entire Discord but Retrash lol
formal gust
Snap
dire steppe
i wonder if anyone mains drunken dash
daring hedge
absolutely not
formal gust
Good lord...
upper edge
i wonder if anyone mains drunken dash
Why would you bring forth this curse
daring hedge
blade dash has the capability of being good on its own. drunken dash will never get even close to that
it's for DC hearts or priv status
formal gust
Aphro Zeus poseidon and Athena are the only dashes
honest kernel
Drunken Dash is to enable specific boons. Splitting Headache, Bad Influence, Peer Pressure ...
dire steppe
the worst part is that drunken dash doesn’t even work well with like peer pressure or whatever
honest kernel
On it's own it's whatever
formal gust
Zeus dash is kinda okay
honest kernel
It ain't great
dire steppe
peer pressure should at least be changed to apply whatever the active hangover stack is
honest kernel
But I honestly need to mess around with it
formal gust
I mean it scales with dstrike and splitting bolt
dire steppe
then it wouldn’t literally actively make your build worse
daring hedge
four seconds to spread one mediocre stack. it's bad
four seconds is an eternity really
formal gust
Zeus dash is probably the second best dash for damage
Behind splash
But I could be completely wrong
honest kernel
Blade Rift probably does more
daring hedge
yeah
unreal pasture
Peer pressures four second reapplication is the problem
formal gust
Guess I am
unreal pasture
It should be like ... 1, 1.5 or 2s
honest kernel
And then there's Artemis Dash
unreal pasture
Such that it actually like... synergizes with stuff like Bad Influence
honest kernel
Which is like whatever on most weapons, but god when it's on the right weapon it SLAPS
unreal pasture
Spears and Fists?
daring hedge
it also has the problem of likely being a worse hangover stack than your main application, and with how hangover works, that weaker stack will overwrite a better one
unreal pasture
Dash-Uppers 
formal gust
Nemesis
daring hedge
i still think hunter dash is great even after the nerf
formal gust
But the problem with ghat is it is mega unsafe
daring hedge
it's good damage
formal gust
What nerf
daring hedge
it used to be like +100% at epic
honest kernel
% got reduced on rarity up
daring hedge
without poms
honest kernel
From 100 to 70 on epic
formal gust
Hunter dash on Hestia
dire steppe
-
Peer Pressure now applies the strongest active hangover stack on an enemy
-
Peer Pressure now applies after 2 seconds instead of 4
-
Peer Pressure applies 1/2/3/4 stacks based on rarity
i think these changes would make it usable
unreal pasture
You guys ever just throw a run because you want to Greater Call...
Rather than lesser call for Second Winds? 
I am a very smart person
dire steppe
what do you think of my suggestion
unreal pasture
I suspect Peer Pressure's issue is a problem of coding...
It might be the case that each Hangover afflicted thing applies it every four seconds?
So it can cascade quite hard?
honest kernel
what do you think of my suggestion
It would actually make it useful lol
unreal pasture
But... it only cascades into ... pretty meh dps. Like 2 * 5* 2 ?
daring hedge
So I re-read the current description of Peer Pressure
i was trying to tell you lol
honest kernel
Should have paid more attention
unreal pasture
Because if you think about it... if two things are Hungover, they are Peer Pressuring each other (in theory)
honest kernel
Assumed it just applied an Hangover stack on other foes when you inflict an enemy with it
But in it's current state ... Does it even do anything
unreal pasture
Not that that is good. but it would chain into indefinite DPS ... and you could just run away
dire steppe
It literally reduces your dps fyi
unreal pasture
I know it's bad. But I'm talking about its possible interaction
daring hedge
it's pretty much only good for extremely passive players, and you can't be passive at high heat
honest kernel
Even if you are passive
You still need to make sure you have Hangover on enemies
And that they are grouped up
unreal pasture
I can't imagine 95% of players even bothering to abuse something like that
Mainly because it's ... just not fun
honest kernel
All of that ? For a little hangover stack
daring hedge
what syd is saying is that you can do some initial hangover and then watch a hangover machine just replicate itself with an enemy group
an extremely weak hangover machine
unreal pasture
Yea
daring hedge
but it would keep making more hangover
honest kernel
...
unreal pasture
I think it could be fun, if the hangover did other stuff
unreal pasture
Like Splitting Headache tiers of effects
honest kernel
Hanghover scaling in general is weird
unreal pasture
Or killing freeze (if you have 5 stacks of hangover on everything, you get some bonus)
formal gust
Dionysus is pretty weak
unreal pasture
But yeah, that'd be the only way to design Peer Pressure into a place that isn't hot garbage
unreal pasture
Bad Influence isn't bad... but isn't in a great spot either
formal gust
Dionysus is probably the weakest god
honest kernel
It's a big damage boost for rooms
unreal pasture
Imma summon skellie and put hangover an all the heroes! for my bad influence!
daring hedge
bad influence is an insane damage increase when you can get it
unreal pasture
It's the rib meta coming
formal gust
Isn’t bad influence damage reduction
formal gust
Oh that’s high tolerance
sly remnant
yea dio has some major problems as a god
at high heat
also lmao beo actually likes drunken dash at high heat
sly remnant
festive fog scales fine. you just start really slow and struggle with DC hearts
formal gust
There’s the damage reduction thing
Scintillating
I more so mean things that affect it
Idk
sly remnant
like directly?
because +1 cast and mirage shot have insane scaling
theres also blackout
sly remnant
i wish ice wine worked with trippy flare
honest kernel
Ice Wine is a +30% damage boost
formal gust
And it’s delayed
honest kernel
But adds a delay
formal gust
Yeah
sly remnant
ah
honest kernel
It's fantastic for non-hera and non-beo
formal gust
Yeah
honest kernel
Since you don't have the lob
formal gust
Never gave a real solid try on anything else
honest kernel
I like it a lot on Melee weapons
formal gust
The stun?
formal gust
So like phalanx shot it’s a good support thing?
sly remnant
i used trippy shot on my first demeter 40 clear
honest kernel
So like phalanx shot it’s a good support thing?
Similar deal, yeah
formal gust
Is Demeter considered the most viable high heat melee weapon
honest kernel
It actually plays really well with the Zeus special build on Zeus shield
Because then you get da feast
sly remnant
technically shield is a melee weapon
formal gust
I consider shield more of a hybrid
honest kernel
Don't see any other weapon surpassing it
honest kernel
Shield is kinda like a mid-range weapon, like spear
formal gust
If you could pick and choose hammers a lot of things would be different
formal gust
Just use ello’s boon selector
sly remnant
after i do 52 dio beo
formal gust
Rerolling hammers would be one thing
honest kernel
Poseidon Cast
honest kernel
But 56 heat ? godspeed to you
sly remnant
beo can do it
honest kernel
... I believe
sly remnant
dio beo can do it seeded
but
you'd jusst do retrash coin purse with epic trippy and a chaos gate in room 1
honest kernel
You mentioning Poseidon Cast reminds me of when I played around with Artemis special on Zeus shield lmao
sly remnant
flood flare has decent base damage and good utility
honest kernel
Before I gave in to the shackle
sly remnant
its really good for rooms
honest kernel
I can see it
formal gust
And beo chunks bosses already
formal gust
Wave pounding
sly remnant
^yep
honest kernel
Breaking Wave to just nuke rooms too
sly remnant
^yep
honest kernel
Razor Shoals also decent-ish
formal gust
But there wouldn’t be much of a reason to use it in lower heat
honest kernel
You just don't want the treasures lol
sly remnant
its real slow
formal gust
I know I’m saying this a lot but man I have a lot of clears on my list
sly remnant
but its always been where beo has been headed as a weapon at high heat
honest kernel
I know I’m saying this a lot but man I have a lot of clears on my list
I kinda want 50 on all weapons lol
sly remnant
i only care about beo
formal gust
What do you not have it on
formal gust
Ah a weapon specialist
sly remnant
theres still a lot of innovation to be had on beowulf as a weapon
honest kernel
Been messing around with other weapons lately
formal gust
I respect it
honest kernel
Will likely do 50 heat with Arthur, Rama, Achilles
formal gust
We need more of those
sly remnant
beo is not an AP2 weapon
honest kernel
Not sure what I want on Fists and Rail
sly remnant
no matter what anyone says
honest kernel
Probably Demeter and Eris ?
formal gust
At that point wouldn’t nemesis be better
honest kernel
Arthur has 2 VERY attractive points that Nemesis doesn't have
Starting Max HP, and big range
sly remnant
hp
sly remnant
its biggest issue is FO2
formal gust
So for high heat do you try to do a tank build lol
honest kernel
So for high heat do you try to do a tank build lol
That's what I did the first time
Might be able to replicate it with Abyssal Blood at 50 heat
Since I used Boiling Blood in the 45 heat clear lmao
sly remnant
arthur is an Ap2 weapon
honest kernel
It's a frickin' shackles weapon
sly remnant
that too
honest kernel
I could even try RI2 or something
sly remnant
the dream is shackles with arti dash
formal gust
consider me interested
sly remnant
my goals are lofty but basically
formal gust
oh jesus you ran out of time
sly remnant
any heat beo record, 32 beo record, 40 beo record, 50 beo record, overall heat beo record
honest kernel
I probably wouldn't run CP2 again lol
sly remnant
mirrorless and boonless beo record
sly remnant
you didn't run ap1 yea?
sly remnant
arthur def an RI weapon
honest kernel
This actually looks super fine lol
sly remnant
2 in RI and 1 in CF and you are at 50
sly remnant
thats probably the best arthur 50 pact
arthur still hates Fo2 but it doesn't have a choice
sly remnant
youll have to EM4
formal gust
sly remnant
😠
honest kernel
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/787544319346212894/unk...
Oof
honest kernel
https://gyazo.com/40e43cede673fcfadc667d1a29bfc3a8 Achilles pact about to look wack as well, but I plan on going Zeus non-cast start
Attack or Special'll do
sly remnant
yuck
honest kernel
CP or CF maxed idk which one I want
honest kernel
Thing is
sly remnant
you need boons
sly remnant
it certainly wasn't easy for beo
honest kernel
Achilles is no nuking machine lmao
sly remnant
lmao no its not
honest kernel
But maybe it's optimal here
honest kernel
One and One
sly remnant
thats fair
honest kernel
.... Actually
sly remnant
i think i agree with your pact
honest kernel
How does Dem Fists Shackles sound like
honest kernel
Probably ?
sly remnant
😠
honest kernel
For Dem fists I could run the same pact lmao
sly remnant
dem fists is an ap2 weapon
honest kernel
With AP2 Shackles
Full Mirror right here
Could legitimately consider going Fated Authority
And search for like Max HPs or something
Eris might have enough damage for me to not stress too much about EM4
Or I could give in and go Hestia
sly remnant
hestia is ownage at high heat
i liked fated authority on demeter
you just need damage on special and zeus on attack
honest kernel
I'll mess around with fists first, probably
formal gust
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/787550612296433725/unknown.png I'm sorry @true fable the game is making me take this on arthur
true fable
are you trying 45 arthur lmao
formal gust
yes
true fable
what did i miss
sly remnant
i'm obsessed with one weapon and baj is gonna become a better player
and everyone is trying arthur
true fable
what weapon are you obsessed with lol
sly remnant
is that even a question?
sly remnant
fair
honest kernel
... Yeah that's an oof
formal gust
oh my gooood
poseidon attacj
reroll to special
then attack
reset time
:)))))
honest kernel
Ah yes, Poseidon, trolling AP2 starts since high heat made it almost mandatory
mortal mango
ay zeus shield what do I do
honest kernel
You can go full Zeus and try out Zeus Special
Heart Rend builds with Artemis Special/Aphrodite Attack is also good
Merciful End with Ares attack/Athena special is another route
Those are the main 3 I'd consider
mortal mango
oh wait you're the guy I just clicked on your video to look at your build
honest kernel
lmao
mortal mango
whats the most consistent in your opinion?
honest kernel
Artemis Special, honestly
honest kernel
You have many avenues to scale. Heart Rend is the best one, but Splitting Headache and Deadly Reversal work as well
honest kernel
Zeus special relies on getting tons of Zeus, yeah
mortal mango
just go artemis, grab special then athena for dash then aphro for attack and win basically?
honest kernel
Artemis special first
See what other gods show up
And adjust to get a specific duo
mortal mango
easy enough
honest kernel
My order goes like Artemis special -> Aphrodite/Dio/Athena attack
Starting Artemis Keepsake, going for the other duo's god keepsake for the duo
And whatever else after
mortal mango
why gods legacy over pride?
honest kernel
More duo chances
But you could get away with Pride
Artemis Special on Epic hurts a lot on it's own
Oh yeah, if you get more Artemis, prioritize Hunter's Mark
It's nuts on Zeus Shield
mortal mango
yeah that makes sense
honest kernel
Pressure Points and Support Fire are good to get too
mortal mango
any specific combo or just throw shield then start dash striking
honest kernel
Get into about a dash away from your target
Throw the special, and attack them
That's my usual routine
mortal mango
easy enough, any hammers to be on the lookout for?
honest kernel
I actually made a tierlist of hammers
But to summarize : Sudden Rush, Pulvering Blow, Explosive Return, Charged Shot are all great
Minotaur Rush and Ferocious Guard are decent. Rest is mediocre
No "bad" hammers per say
mortal mango
why sudden rush so high?
honest kernel
two reasons
formal gust
honest kernel
- Zeus shield's special is slow. Anything that can close the gap to then throw the special is fantastic to have
- It's pretty great for dancing around bosses
Oh, another bonus, it makes a second hammer Minotaur Rush pretty fantastic
But 1. and 2. are the reasons I like Sudden Rush
formal gust
and I died
honest kernel
and I died
F
mortal mango
alright ill go try a few low heat runs thanks for the advice
honest kernel
alright ill go try a few low heat runs thanks for the advice
Hope you'll have fun with it !
honest kernel
Any deflect is good
unreal pasture
as memey and bad drunken strike is on arthur, it does solve your previous problem of taking off shielders damage control
honest kernel
On special it doesn't look bad for that purpose
mortal mango
was 5 chambers in before I realized I had fidi on for some reason lolol dont wanna deal with that
mortal mango
mine isn't even maxed I just tried it once and forgot to take it off
honest kernel
... ok yeah that's fair enough lol
mortal mango
2 use fidi or 5 use meg
unreal pasture
30 seconds is a long time... but it has to compete with 5k damage on heroes
I haven't messed with Fidi enough
It felt like she kind of roams about... missing a lot
mortal mango
bp2?
honest kernel
Benefits Package 2
formal gust
the grabby hands are actually the most infuriating things on arthur
honest kernel
Pact modifier that makes some armored enemies have buffs
Get the wrong combo and you can just die, straight up
unreal pasture
The pin in this channel has all the acronyms
honest kernel
^
mortal mango
ive only run like 20 heat, never went to two and was being silly
i usually leave bp1 on at all times just to practice seeing them
honest kernel
At 1, it's more than fine
It's at 2 where things can go hectic, especially in combination with some other modifiers
Forced Overtime comes to mind
unreal pasture
I can't be the only one that has nightmares about speeder blood skeletons, right?
flying around all over the place
honest kernel
Make that Speedy Beefy big chariots for me
unreal pasture
Yeah, that's pretty bad
honest kernel
"Can I get a hit in ple-" Gets rammed instantly
unreal pasture
Oops. They do like 46 damage, right?
honest kernel
I actually was thinking with HL in mind
unreal pasture
Sometimes you get them in rooms with the little gap you can dash over
And they're free
but if not
formal gust
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/787559675528609792/unknown.png AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
rancid spindle
I got 2nd Skelly statue :)
mortal mango
grats
formal gust
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/392070250511728653/787559912825028628/unknown.png ok the game is messing with me
honest kernel
Let the memes flow through you, alongside your hatred for AP2
honest kernel
Made me hate Poseidon more than I'd want lol
sly remnant
Grats on the clear @rancid spindle thats a cool accomplishment
rancid spindle
It feels like it :) and now ive got all 49 achievements
formal gust
honestly as much as I hate arthur at high heat, I really do enjoy it. It feels like playing a souls game's pvp with a comically large and heavy weapon. You know the odds are pretty stacked against you but it is super satisfying just making it work
tiny kiln
Im about to go into 10 heat with arthur, im using 3 levels of extreme measures, 2 calisthenics, heightened security, and a jury summons level
honest kernel
Im about to go into 10 heat with arthur, im using 3 levels of extreme measures, ...
Good luck ! If you want pact suggestions, don't be afraid to ask
tiny kiln
Im doing pretty well so far, i think the 3rd level of extreme measures actually makes the fight easier