#h1-high-heat-strategies

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rain sedge
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DRUNKEN DASH LMFAO

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you can't make this up

gaunt fiber
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Yeah I just watched the stream

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to me it's a TD3 death

honest kernel
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He probably times out in Elysium

true fable
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remember he needs EM4 time bank too

honest kernel
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Timer's not looking good

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And no Than

true fable
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doubt

rain sedge
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he still has 1:30 buffer or so pre-lernie tho

mossy zinc
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No, the rest of the jedi order was like "Arghl!! XQ" "Eeeee!!!" "Please don—EEEEEEKK!!" "Mommy!! sob"

true fable
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evil

gaunt fiber
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...

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So sad

rain sedge
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my bet is he dies to lava here

true fable
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pure evil

honest kernel
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... At this rate the timer gets him now lmao

tidal flame
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bye run

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I love this chat btw

true fable
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what do yall feel like is a healthy time bank going into elysium

tidal flame
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the non plebian chat

true fable
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im happy with 2 mins without em4 but idk how other people feel

honest kernel
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7:30-8:00 for this kind of run

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If he goes EM4 and no CP2

rain sedge
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I'm an eris player so anything like 30s after lernie is gucci for me

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I'm also a casual playing a casual heat though

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??? he skipped nyx conversation?

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what in the goddamn world

mossy zinc
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Monster.

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I hope he dies in the next chamber.

rain sedge
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you know

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I bet tail is watching this

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and is frantically running 58

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I can almost see his post

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"I accidentally did 58 while messing around, lucky I recorded it!"

honest kernel
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Tailesque is in Haelian's chat lol

rain sedge
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let's @ him

gaunt fiber
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you're brave

mossy zinc
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@honest kernel just do 59 now.

honest kernel
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No

daring hedge
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i'm in this chat too bouldy

mossy zinc
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You always are.

rain sedge
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nooo I @ him on twitch already

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wHaT tHE HeLl is DuSa GonNa dO

mossy zinc
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Just waiting for somebody to speak of a challenge they're trying to barrel-roll them.

true fable
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unfortunately baj still has the -6 heat penalty from last night's incident

mossy zinc
tidal flame
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lmao

gaunt fiber
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what happened

tidal flame
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haelian

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do the right thing

honest kernel
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...

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That moment when he does a +50 health Erebus Gate with Chaos shield

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But not with Zeus shield

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lmao

true fable
gaunt fiber
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lmao

honest kernel
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^ The reason why I'm bad still

true fable
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wait is he doing chaos 57 now

honest kernel
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Right there

gaunt fiber
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I did

honest kernel
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58 Chaos

gaunt fiber
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the exact same thing on my mirrorless 40

true fable
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jesus

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td3?

honest kernel
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Ye

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He's gonna timeout

true fable
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im malding

tidal flame
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gg

rain sedge
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meme beamed lmfao

tidal flame
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lmao

honest kernel
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Into a nice chaos boon

lusty mirage
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heh chaos on ap2 can be rough

gaunt fiber
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can you name me some good poseidon duos apart from cast

honest kernel
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Sea Storm

gaunt fiber
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oh yeah

rain sedge
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sea storm duh

gaunt fiber
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thanks

honest kernel
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Exclusive Access and Sweet Nectar are great if you get them early

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Rest is whatever outside of cast

rain sedge
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curse of drowning is actively bad

honest kernel
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I actually like it a lot

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For bosses

rain sedge
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?

honest kernel
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It's just a ton of damage

rain sedge
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yeah, just for bosses

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the rest is like

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what's hael's previous highest heat?

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LMFAO haelian just says what we've been doing about tail

daring hedge
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RIGHT

rain sedge
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we should clip it

daring hedge
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lmao

tidal flame
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hes onto you tail

rain sedge
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tail be honest, are you in the middle of a 59 run right now yes or no

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nya's life depends on it

daring hedge
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lol i'm not

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i got battie and maxed her in hell mode then stopped playing a bit ago

ripe crane
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Did a 58 heat something happen

rain sedge
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haelian is streaming his attempt

sly remnant
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explosive return zeus shield

honest kernel
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So I go take a shower

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And Haelian returns to Zeus Shield

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lmao

gaunt fiber
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the meta must change

ripe crane
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Extending jab Zeus shield, nice

honest kernel
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What if there was a hammer that made the Zeus shield special bigger

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lol

solemn pulsar
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or made it like hunting blades

honest kernel
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It'd probably be too powerful lol

twilit orbit
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so I was watching a streamer play hades for the first time, and he dodged hades's 360 degree beam by just... walking in between the lasers

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I didnt even know that was possible lol

honest kernel
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Oh yeah that's a secret strat

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The devs are aware of it because they made Hades do a pulse that knockbacks around him in EM4 lol

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When he does lasers

twilit orbit
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no, no standing in the middle of hades

honest kernel
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That's what I mean

twilit orbit
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like standing in between two beams

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I didnt even know this was possible

honest kernel
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oh Void's playing this

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noice

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Oh that

twilit orbit
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like everyone who is experienced with the game either automatically hides behind a pillar or hugs hades

honest kernel
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Not often done because it's precise/urns

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It's moreso you don't want to screw up and eat the lasers

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they melt

twilit orbit
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yeah it feels like the riskiest strat by far

gaunt fiber
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he took dmg tho

north dove
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could be wrong but I think his tracking speed also increases with FO2

honest kernel
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It might

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Not 100% sure

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I always run FO2 lol

twilit orbit
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he took dmg because he messed up at the end

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also if his tracking speed increases with FO it might not be a problem

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because void was very clearly not walking at full speed

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its not a good strategy because its super hard to do, of course

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I just didnt even know that the option existed

true fable
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void pog

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didnt he start playing melee recently too

gaunt fiber
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I'm trying Zeus

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should I throw my special and bull rush all the way?

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or the opposite

honest kernel
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Throw the special and recall it after a bit

true fable
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do you ever keep it max range

honest kernel
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Depends on your definition of max range

true fable
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like where it stays in place

honest kernel
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But I don't leave it hanging for long, unless I know it hits an enemy guaranteed

true fable
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for sure

honest kernel
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Dash-Attacks don't do knockback, so sticking the special on an enemy and Dash-attacking them is good

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Can also throw the special and bullrush push them into it

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Or regular attack for the same deal

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But as far as optimizing Zeus shield goes, it's probably best to recognize when the special is hanging vs when it shreds stuff

gaunt fiber
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I like using special and recalling

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but i don't bull rush that much which is not optimal I think

honest kernel
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I probably bullrush more than I should

gaunt fiber
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ah

honest kernel
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Because I play at high heat and don't want to die lol

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Also 1-dash

gaunt fiber
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I see

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my run is a regular 32

honest kernel
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With 2-dashes, you can just dash-attack a lot more often

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And regular attack to push enemies

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Bullrush is a bit slower, but safer, DPS wise

gaunt fiber
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I feel like I'm pressing buttons and stuff dies

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I don't control anything

honest kernel
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Things die fast with Zeus shield

gaunt fiber
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Oh I died

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SD goes fast

honest kernel
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If you aren't careful, that'll happen LOL

gaunt fiber
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I went zeus with zeus

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is it ok?

honest kernel
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It's one of the better/most consistent builds

gaunt fiber
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pog

honest kernel
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Merciful End if you want to highroll is poggers

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Artemis special is also cool

gaunt fiber
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I tried it once

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I tried artemis special once too since you were running it

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these crits are so funny

honest kernel
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Can basically crit as fast as Nemesis if you play it right lol

true fable
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heart rend is great

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baj you might know this

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if your shield buddy is off doing something else

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and you deflect to proc DR

honest kernel
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It should still work

true fable
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does that increased crit also apply even if it's like miles from you

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pog

honest kernel
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Don't need to have it deflect prior to throwing the special to get any bonuses

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It like checks for each hit

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And it's the reason why Battle Rage is downright Awful on Zeus Shield lol

gaunt fiber
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hm

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should I care about hammers?

honest kernel
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Somewhat ?

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They aren't bad, but aren't necessary

gaunt fiber
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I feel like

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I could clear with one boon

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If I were good I mean

honest kernel
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You legit just need a special and you can clear the whole game lol

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'Tis my hammer tier list

gaunt fiber
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nice

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wish I knew the icons

honest kernel
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Sudden Rush, Pulverizing Blow, Explosive Return and Charged Shot in S-tier

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Minotaur Rush and Ferocious Guard in A-tier

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Empowering Flight, Breaching Rush and Dashing Wallop in B-tier

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Those are all the hammers you can get

gaunt fiber
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wow

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thanks

true fable
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pulverizing is probably head and shoulders above the rest unless you need safety right

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that and maybe charged shot?

honest kernel
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Explosive Return on Zeus shield is fantastic for rooms

true fable
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really hmm

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need to play more zeus

honest kernel
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Same with Sudden Rush

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It's not just defensive

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It let's you get to enemies faster

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And shred 'em with the special

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Charged Shot is just a lot of damage upclose

gaunt fiber
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damn

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I need practice

honest kernel
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You basically get a 2-hit combo that does a TON of damage

gaunt fiber
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how many hours do I need lol

honest kernel
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idk

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Probably like 5-6 runs at 'least

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So that you get used to the special

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Transitionning from Guan-Yu to shield is also quite the undertaking lol

gaunt fiber
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I have hp and I can block

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like

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lol

honest kernel
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Damage is going to be the shield run killer

unreal pasture
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Explosive Return is just insane on every shield but Beo

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And it's still ok-ish

ripe crane
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This game is hard with one dash

gaunt fiber
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zeus builds up special so well

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he

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I mean gauge

honest kernel
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Hmm Hmm

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Another reason to go Zeus

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Because spamming his aid is good, or any aid in general

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And you get Clouded Judgment/Billowing Strength open

gaunt fiber
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Yeah I got his aid and clouded

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I play like a clown but it works

true fable
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ive cleared some zeus runs with literally explosive return special spam

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back in my first few clears

gaunt fiber
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it's hard to keep the special on sight

honest kernel
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Yup

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Sometimes I just recall it after a little bit

true fable
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what was the corner issue you were talking about

honest kernel
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If you stand too close to a wall/corner

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The special will go out and instantly bounce back to you

true fable
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oh yeah

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ive had that happen

daring hedge
gaunt fiber
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just got that

true fable
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and what's your solution? just stand further from the wall?

honest kernel
honest kernel
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Haelian figured that out

true fable
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im gonna try zeus 40 then

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might as well disappoint early

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and at least i have some idea how to play that

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unlike zag spear

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what boons do you even want on zag spear lol

daring hedge
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not even boons can save zag spear

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artemis... kind of works

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you could flurry jab zeus, which works pretty well

honest kernel
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Hope for like Hunting Blades highroll, Merciful End highroll, or just beefy call spam ?

daring hedge
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yeah you pretty much explore damage avenues completely separate from the spear itself unless you get flurry or exploding launcher

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in which case it becomes... okay i guess

honest kernel
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'tis a very sad moment

true fable
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jesus lol

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well

gaunt fiber
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I have 350hp

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how is it possible

true fable
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i think im rolling zeus start for zeus

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is that an idea

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no life aff astaos?

daring hedge
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yeah that def works

true fable
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or maybe i just start athena?

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hmm

daring hedge
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you can kind of end up stacking zeus for potential legendary and jolted which makes it a lot better

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even without flurry

gaunt fiber
honest kernel
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Zeus special -> Double Strike and/or Jolted -> Legendary

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'tis be what you want

true fable
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so like chaos

honest kernel
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Aid's also good to get, because it scales from Double Strike too

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Pretty much

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You trade range for pure DPS

true fable
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yeah i just cheesed ME for my 32 so this might be slightly harder

daring hedge
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i don't think zeus special is worth it on zag spear really; it's still extremely awkward and staggered damage

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it works for tartarus but like

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that's gonna die off quickly

true fable
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oh i meant for zeus shield haha

daring hedge
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oh my bad lmao

true fable
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i think i'd start artemis for zag spear?

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idk

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or maybe just athena and TD2 slog it

honest kernel
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Zag Spear is a lost cause for TD3 lol

daring hedge
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zeus or artemis attack for zag spear yeah but anyway carry on with zeus shield

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my 50 with it was TD3

honest kernel
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👀

daring hedge
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i barely made it lol

honest kernel
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Figures

daring hedge
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with epic swift flourish and exploding launcher too

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extremely sad

true fable
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how do they

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uh

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fix

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zag spear

gaunt fiber
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Ok Zeus is fun

honest kernel
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Base spear needs more damage on the special

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It's not worth the lag when Dash-Attack does what it can do but better

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Not often you need to hit stuff off-screen, since they'll be in range of the dash attack fast

north dove
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I think playing zag spear like guan yu might be the best dps. Dash strike > dash strike > Special > Recall

spring kettle
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is it ever worth specialing on zag spear?

true fable
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zeus is really really fun

honest kernel
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That's what I did on my Achilles 45 heat clear lmao

spring kettle
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I just ask because it levels up special damage, I think

true fable
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i got explosive return start lol

honest kernel
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But it worked a ton better because Achilles special can be real fast

spring kettle
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when you use the titan blood

gaunt fiber
daring hedge
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astaos zag spear arc begins

gaunt fiber
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btw

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If you want GY coaching

honest kernel
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What is this cursed run

true fable
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wtf astaos

north dove
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FO0 thanthink

gaunt fiber
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but tempest strike is hard enough lol

true fable
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why would you use your time for this

gaunt fiber
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FO2 spin build is hard

true fable
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also baj

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is it better to hug walls if you have explosive return?

honest kernel
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Not really

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You have a bit of a cooldown when you throw and recall super fast

true fable
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fair ok

gaunt fiber
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So I got it to do it FO2 to earn some respect

honest kernel
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Can't just spam it a billion times and get as many special explosions in the process

true fable
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do you care about anything from chaos

honest kernel
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It's like a 1 second cooldown

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Still plenty spammable, but not insane

gaunt fiber
true fable
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LOL

gaunt fiber
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Apparently I need to do it FO2

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fine then

daring hedge
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if winged serpent conversely slowed down the spin so it acted like a blade rift i think i would like it more lol

gaunt fiber
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yeah same

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But with quick spin

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You can flood the room

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and if you have tempest strike, well it does absolutely nothing

true fable
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ok what does special speed do on zeus

honest kernel
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... I am not sure

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What I do know is it reduces the cooldown I mentionned earlier

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It might affect the travel speed

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That's all it does I think

true fable
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interesting

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wtf

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someone explain this to me

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i just got hunter's mark on asterius

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in the miniboss fight

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that's an f10 right

honest kernel
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Support Fire ?

true fable
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no support fire

honest kernel
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F10 worthy

true fable
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hmm

daring hedge
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the little gorgon heads that used to be in that fight ages ago... they're still there

true fable
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also zeus shield is absurdly good at this fight

gaunt fiber
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I like support fire more and more

true fable
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yeah i'll f10 it

north dove
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is anyone who can edit the spreadsheet online right now?

daring hedge
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yeah what's up

north dove
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my zag spear entry got my name entered as 45 for some reason

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or 13-feb-1900 in the player index

daring hedge
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ah yeah, i fixed the form submission so i think it's all fixed now

north dove
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👍 thanks

lusty mirage
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i was confused by bablo's defense of the dio special on gy

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is there a worse one? maybe tempest but it would still do more dmg

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i know he didn't end up using special but at that early point he was

honest kernel
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Everything else is just ... better* really

lusty mirage
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?

honest kernel
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...

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I meant better

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Don't mind the brain fart lol

lusty mirage
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thought you were doing a bablo impression for a sec

honest kernel
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lmao

lusty mirage
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he's very quick thinker but dismisses ideas instantly

honest kernel
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I literally come up with weird stuff

lusty mirage
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anyone have a tier list for gy special?

honest kernel
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And run with it to see if it works

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It's probably something like Artemis >> Aphrodite = Athena = Demeter > Ares > Poseidon > Zeus >>> Dio

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But there might be some shuffles around

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High Heat, BTW

north dove
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Poseidon > Ares imo

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for GY special

honest kernel
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I could see it

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Pushing stuff around is actually good for Guan-Yu

lusty mirage
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i guess i would say Artemis=Aphrodite>Athena=Demeter>Zeus>Poseidon=Ares>Dio

honest kernel
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I wouldn't rate Zeus as highly

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Since Ares basically does that but better on the special

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Guan-Yu special is no machine gun

north dove
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Yeah, Artemis > Aphrodite > Athena = Demeter > Poseidon > Ares > Zeus > Dio is my personal tier list

honest kernel
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^ Sounds about right

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... And in general, Dio on special is kinda mediocre, now that I think about it

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It's only ever optimal on Chiron Low Tolerance builds, and that has to compete with Heart Rend builds

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Specials either hits too fast for the Hanghover to not act as budget Zeus, or too slow to want it over %-based gods

proud jay
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hangover good

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especially epic on special

honest kernel
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I don't think it's bad, but it just seems meh overall

proud jay
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7 damage every .5 second for 4 seconds = 56 damage

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and that 56 damage benefits from family favorite and stuff

honest kernel
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It's the 4 seconds part that gets me

gaunt fiber
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GY meta is shaken

proud jay
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you don't get to choose tho

honest kernel
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When you don't, sure, that's more than fair

proud jay
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also it was compared to a redundant demeter call when you already have chill on attack

honest kernel
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I mean, something > nothing

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Demeter call is basically just apply 10 stacks of chill in a large area and do some damage

proud jay
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in fact i think i already had a pom on it, so make that 72 total damage with one special

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only artemis might do more than that

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unless you bank on just finding charged skewer two biomes later, which is probably a bad idea

true fable
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GY players shook with this one simple trick

proud jay
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it's very unintuitive but flat damage scales better than anything that says %

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unless you find a base damage hammer

dire steppe
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next you’ll be telling me dio special on cluster eris is the meta

gaunt fiber
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It pierces too, hangover for everyone

true fable
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whats the plan for bosses?

proud jay
dire steppe
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that’s true it’s 350% base

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or +250% i guess

lusty mirage
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Is there a dmg calculator somewhere where we can look at the #s?

proud jay
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no it's +400% base

gaunt fiber
proud jay
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the -30% is additive multiplier

dire steppe
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is the -30% not to base damage

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oh

true fable
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like i see how the dio special could be good for regular mobs

proud jay
true fable
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no that's definitely true

lusty mirage
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I bet @mossy zinc has done guan yu math

proud jay
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and 72 damage + base damage from a distance is enough to kill any boss

lusty mirage
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Thank you for elaborating bablo. I don’t mean any disrespect

proud jay
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i know it's very unintuitive but it's ok enough for what i do

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and in fact unless you have specifically charged skewer or crit, it's a very good option

honest kernel
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Honestly ? Spear could look more into Dio stuff

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Drunken Strike has proven to be good enough

proud jay
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spear should look into zeus

honest kernel
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I already have for Achilles

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Did 45 heat with Zeus special start

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with DC2

lusty mirage
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Ive used dio on atk (spin applies max stacks)

true fable
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zeus special on achilles is chefs kiss

proud jay
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it's just that zeus is a much more useful god later on that dio

honest kernel
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^

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That's the main thing

proud jay
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i don't mind dio but honestly most of the boons are total crap

honest kernel
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Numbing Sensation is honestly kinda good

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But yeah

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Peer Pressure is lol

true fable
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big fan of bad influence

proud jay
honest kernel
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🤷‍♂️

true fable
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that and core boons might be it for me

proud jay
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i don't think it makes animations slower

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it only applies to enemy movement speed

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afaik

honest kernel
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Still think it has it's place

proud jay
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maybe i just don't see it

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might be build specific

true fable
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i'll take it if it's offered but isnt it just worse chill

honest kernel
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Honestly could be optimal on spear

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If you get Dio secondary

proud jay
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chill is great because it makes animations slower

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same with killing freeze

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(i think)

lusty mirage
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How about what 4 gods would you want in your pool for gy if you had your pick

honest kernel
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Athena's a no-brainer for high heat

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Because dash lol

lusty mirage
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Athena artemis aphrodite zeus

proud jay
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i've always liked chill

honest kernel
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Demeter chill is something I appreciate more and more myself

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And my 57 heat clear literally used it lol

mossy zinc
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Numbing Sensation is very easy to apply. I kinda like it.

dire steppe
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ok but hear me out

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abyssal blood

proud jay
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boiling blood is kinda important

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abyssal blood has the same problem where it doesn't reduce animation speed

lusty mirage
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Actually I often would put ares in there too

honest kernel
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Abyssal blood has other potential uses, tho, has it also does Damage Reduction

true fable
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is chill binary?

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idr

dire steppe
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wdym

lusty mirage
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Seems that way

gaunt fiber
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Poseidon for tempest strike

lusty mirage
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Spin atk push with that is fun

gaunt fiber
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I'll make it work at 40

lusty mirage
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Ap2 will give it to you

gaunt fiber
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Well

dire steppe
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what do you mean by “is chill binary”

gaunt fiber
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I'll try

proud jay
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poseidon not bad if you get good tier2 boons

honest kernel
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Breaking Wave is excellent, Wave Pounding's a good damage boost

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Razor Shoals is great too

proud jay
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razor shoals hard carried my gilgamesh run

#

you could also say +3 dashes hard carried it

lusty mirage
#

The chill binary thing is “are you eithere chilled or not OR does the debuff increase with stacks”

proud jay
#

honestly idk lol

dire steppe
#

for killing freeze? i think just everyone has to have at least 1 chill

honest kernel
#

Killing Freeze applies an extra +10% when everyone's chilled

#

Regular Chill does like +4% per stack or something

dire steppe
#

Yes

lusty mirage
#

It would be binary if “on or off”. 0 or 1 are the two digits in binary numbers

dire steppe
#

Right i know what that would normally mean but maybe i was overthinking it cause i assumed it was something beyond it stacking to 10

lusty mirage
#

Overexplaining for anyone who might not know

proud jay
#

what boon is better than killing freeze

gaunt fiber
#

Heart rend

proud jay
#

that's a green boon

gaunt fiber
#

:(

#

Divine dash

honest kernel
#

Honestly hard to say

#

It's a DoT AND Utility packed in one

proud jay
#

i completely cheesed hades today with killing freeze

lusty mirage
#

Is that the shatter one?

honest kernel
#

Shatter one's Legendary

#

We are talking about the one that applies when everyone's chilled

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah it was really good

honest kernel
#

Like, I've been thinking that Demeter was hard-carried by Killing Freeze, as far as focusing gods go

#

A while ago

#

Like, when she was released

#

That might be closer to the truth then I expected lol

proud jay
#

demeter has a few complete misses, and a few S-tier boons

#

a bit of a gamble as a god

honest kernel
#

Ravenous Will is fantastic

proud jay
#

common is meh

#

epic good

honest kernel
#

Agreed

#

Rare Crop is the definition of that lmao

#

Get it early and you have other boons to sell ? Fantastic !

#

Otherwise ? Your run's going downhill

gaunt fiber
#

But

proud jay
#

except i'd never take it if i have epic boons

honest kernel
#

^ there's that factor too

gaunt fiber
#

How good is common killing freeze tho

north dove
#

very good

proud jay
#

still good

honest kernel
#

20 DoT

#

Same slow

proud jay
#

slow scales with rarity

honest kernel
#

Does it ?

#

Never noticed

proud jay
#

10-15-20-25

honest kernel
#

Oh wow

gaunt fiber
#

10 hm

proud jay
#

damage is 20-30-40-50

honest kernel
#

10's still good

gaunt fiber
#

I guess yeah

proud jay
#

10 is half a FO

#

1.5 heat

honest kernel
#

That's on top of what you get off of chill

gaunt fiber
#

I mean you don't have to do anything

honest kernel
#

That's what makes it even better

gaunt fiber
#

But to chill

honest kernel
#

My 57 heat Hades fight is the testament to that

proud jay
#

also slow might work multiplicatively, idk

honest kernel
#

No Killing Freeze, but the chill made sure I nearly perfected the fight

#

Is it weird if I'm legit considering Demeter start for non-meme beam setups ?

#

Because of that reason

proud jay
#

i'd like it for arthur

#

but athena solves a lot of problems

honest kernel
#

^

proud jay
#

very potential death traps

gaunt fiber
#

Frost strike Arthur you'd like?

honest kernel
#

If it weren't for the fact that DD stacking was a thing, Demeter secondary would be a bit more popular

#

That or Dash works

proud jay
gaunt fiber
#

Hope it's not too slow

#

I mean GY applies it very well

proud jay
#

it's still quite good

gaunt fiber
#

Arthur is tomorrow/today tho?

honest kernel
#

Next stream I think

proud jay
#

it's 5am so idk

#

next stream yeah

#

it's so stupid to have it as the last weapon LOL

gaunt fiber
#

Yup lmao

#

GY Arthur last weapons

#

Builds up the thing I guess

honest kernel
#

So I'm looking at the Demeter boons, and there's Rare Crop, Nourished Soul and maybe Crystal Beam and Artic Blast that are whiffs.

#

It's a bunch, but it's honestly favored well in the better side with core boons included

proud jay
#

at least crystal beam has potential with glacial glare

honest kernel
#

Call to apply chill is still decent utility

proud jay
#

i really think glacial glare should have .5 increased chance to show up, like exposed and jolted etc

honest kernel
#

It doesn't ?

#

Laaaame

gaunt fiber
#

Arthur could use DR too right

#

Weak

proud jay
#

anything could use DR

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah sure

#

But you were talking about face tanking stuff earlier

proud jay
#

HL0 and aura should be enough for that

#

damage reduction is multiplicative

honest kernel
#

^

proud jay
#

weak would still be ok but deflect is more important

#

and athena in general

honest kernel
#

With HL5 FO2, Aura, Weak and Bracer was more than enough to let me facetank stuff with Cursed Slash

#

With HL0 FO1 I think ? Don't need weak

gaunt fiber
#

Right HL0

proud jay
#

HL0 FO1 is one plan

gaunt fiber
#

Less value then

proud jay
#

means AP2 tho

gaunt fiber
#

It's so clunky lmao

proud jay
#

arthur is

gaunt fiber
#

Y

proud jay
#

FO2 is the biggest problem

honest kernel
#

^ Can confirm as much

#

But I did it anyways lmao

#

FO1 would have been a thousand times easier

gaunt fiber
#

Curious to watch that run

honest kernel
#

Submitted it to the spreadsheet

#

I think I time'd out in the Hades fight lol

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah I mean Arthur lol

proud jay
#

even if i get a good setup (double edge) on arthur FO2 is a huge problem

#

mainly heroes and hades

gaunt fiber
#

Spreadsheet has good stuff

honest kernel
#

I submitted a 45 heat arthur, is what I meant

#

No double hammers, if I recall

gaunt fiber
#

I'll check it

#

Double edge double chill, ez

proud jay
#

it's the actual dream

gaunt fiber
#

Don't worry

#

You'll get Epic attack speed and cursed slash

#

Or you'll start Athena, double Roll into no divine dash

#

Then witches

lusty mirage
#

wonder if i-frames from dash nova could make up for no divine dash

proud jay
#

what i-frames

lusty mirage
#

there was a convo on speedrunning a few days ago

proud jay
#

it's all lies

gaunt fiber
#

Lol

proud jay
#

there's like a divine dash they used during the special animation

#

normally any damage you take during a special animation stuns you, dash nova or not

honest kernel
#

You can still dash while using Snap Nova, yeah

proud jay
#

doesn't make dash nova any better

honest kernel
#

I played around with the new one a bit

#

It's actually so awkward for not much benefit other than a pseudo-dash

proud jay
#

yeah

#

1 second of sturdy sounds good but it's not even worth

#

just makes using special much harder

gaunt fiber
#

dash nova into trap

lusty mirage
#

would it help an arthur speedrun? close distance

honest kernel
#

No

gaunt fiber
#

Hey actually on Arthur

honest kernel
#

It's slow on Arthur

sly remnant
#

arthur likes things with double in its name

honest kernel
#

Like, it actually just takes as long as normal special

proud jay
#

double and triple hammers are good

honest kernel
#

Multipliers are nuts, turns out

gaunt fiber
#

Triple nova pog

proud jay
lusty mirage
#

what about reg atk vs dash-strike on arthur (assuming no specific hammers)

honest kernel
#

It's uh

#

Weird

#

Because if you aren't careful

#

You do the slow combo

#

It does have nice range

proud jay
#

swift strike from hermes makes regular attacks much better

#

it's kinda like having a hammer

honest kernel
#

Oh absolutely

#

Without ? Dash-Attacks and Specials are your friend

#

Unless you know you'll benefit from the massive range on the 2nd and 3rd hit

lusty mirage
#

i like skating around with the reg atk and dash inbetween

honest kernel
#

I do that often

#

Especially if I turn JS on

lusty mirage
#

what time do you start tomorrow bablo? don't want to miss the arthur live

proud jay
#

idk

#

i might have to do a couple of practice runs on another save file first

#

like i don't have the pact figured out

lusty mirage
#

yeah good idea

proud jay
#

i know the weapon

honest kernel
#

Arthur Good

lusty mirage
#

get warmed up

proud jay
#

arthur even super fast in speedruns if you get the right stuff

lusty mirage
#

what would be your arthur speedrun setup

proud jay
#

but in speedruns you get chaos blessings, hydraulic might and battle rage

#

and double edge

#

it's double edge or bust

honest kernel
#

^ Sword in a nutshell

#

Unless you do Poseidon, then you don't mind it as much

sly remnant
#

*note: poseidon sword is not a sword

proud jay
#

arthur needs a cruel thrust

honest kernel
#

...

#

That would be spicy

#

I don't know if it's specific to KBM, but after you use a death defiance, you are stuck without being able to act for a few seconds, right ?

#

Using a call let's me bypass that immediatly

lusty mirage
#

yeah its like body can't move but you can call out

#

i've played mostly on kbm but learning controller

proud jay
honest kernel
#

Been doing that for a while too

#

It's even on my 42 heat clear I think

proud jay
#

especially good in speedruns

honest kernel
#

High heat speedrun strats ?

proud jay
#

any heat

#

you die in those

honest kernel
#

Fair enough

proud jay
#

doesn't even cost you in-game time so you just go ham

honest kernel
#

I'm actually not used to die at anyheat, even when going for speedruns lol

proud jay
#

RTA you don't want to die

true fable
#

wait so call takes you out of the animation? is that it?

honest kernel
#

Yup

proud jay
#

yeah

true fable
#

neato

honest kernel
#

I'll often do Call -> Throw the Zeus special

#

When in Styx

#

Bruh

proud jay
#

oh ok

honest kernel
#

Yeah that word's censored

sly remnant
#

biased bot

proud jay
#

nemesis good right?

honest kernel
#

...

#

I see the big rat

#

Don't need to see anything else LOL

lusty mirage
#

wonder how long until someone makes a slick build compare tool with dps calcs or does one exist already

honest kernel
#

I think one exists already

#

on Nexus Mods or something

lusty mirage
#

oh i was thinking a website

#

or spreadsheet or something

proud jay
#

dps has a lot to do with what enemies are doing

lusty mirage
#

ok but even to compare something like the earlier discussion on intuitiveness

proud jay
#

yeah that's a lot more straight-forward i guess

true fable
#

ello has a dps mod that's fairly reliable but it's very context dependent yeah

#

i wish there was some way to test it against 100000 HP skelly or something

proud jay
honest kernel
#

What

true fable
#

?????

honest kernel
#

Hades pulled a fast one there

#

It's not instant

proud jay
#

this nemesis run was full of struggle

honest kernel
#

It just turns very fast

lusty mirage
#

framerate issue?

true fable
#

dad plays a ton of fps games

#

his tracking is insane

north dove
#

that happened to me once, except he kept going and just melted my hp away

proud jay
#

i don't think i've ever seen that before

honest kernel
#

First for me as well

true fable
#

is it some chill bug?

#

he loses chill slightly before

#

idk

proud jay
#

hmm right

lusty mirage
#

oh he snaps out of chill?

true fable
#

yeah he goes from 10 to 0 stacks of chill?

proud jay
#

yeah i applied chill with call only

#

so it just dropped

true fable
#

i see

honest kernel
#

It's not instantly after, it's a little bit after the Chill stack goes away

true fable
#

wait

#

if you hit quit

#

after a victory screen

#

but before collecting rewards

#

it puts you at the beginning fo the fight?

sly remnant
#

uh yes i believe so

true fable
#

LOL

#

ok gonna fight dad on zeus shield again

proud jay
sly remnant
#

are you streaming right now?

proud jay
#

nope

sly remnant
#

ah.

proud jay
#

sword just struggles big time if you don't find the good stuff

#

like all i needed was heart rend

sly remnant
#

i just watched that clip

#

i was clenching even tho i know you won

proud jay
#

man it was terrifying

#

all of elysium was a struggle too

sly remnant
#

man

#

i woulda ripped on that run

#

sword is hard

honest kernel
#

For a 40 heat speedrun

#

Been loving Artemis special so far

#

And I didn't even get Heart Rend Yet lol

#

Oh I got that AND splitting Headache in Elysiun, back to back, lol

proud jay
#

the fastest 40 heat times are around 9-10 minutes

#

with eris tho

honest kernel
#

Figures

proud jay
#

it's all about room rng

#

it's even more important at high heat

honest kernel
#

Patty was early, yeah

#

Crits started to chunk for 300+ damage VERY fast

sly remnant
#

not bad!

#

with a 2 sac thats submittable i think

honest kernel
#

Yeah

#

Been liking the Heart Rend

#

And Passion Dash might be the dash I want

#

It feels SOOO good being able to use 2-dashes again

#

lmao

ripe crane
#

Just get greatest reflex

formal gust
#

AP moment

#

zeus shield is weird I want to like it but it ain't hitting right

true fable
#

??? what is quarter century

#

ive never seen that victory title

honest kernel
#

250 clears

formal gust
#

mocking him for being so slow

#

that, actually

honest kernel
#

... Do that kind of time on Zeus shield at 40 heat and we'll talk again

true fable
#

LOL

formal gust
#

I was joking

#

ggs

honest kernel
#

And apparently Breaking Wave doesn't exist

#

Game please

formal gust
#

rip

#

I know

#

I once had a beo run

#

prereqs for mirage shot

#

I got

#

wait no

#

I'm telling this wrong

#

I think I had mirage shot

#

and like

#

wait no that's wrong too

#

I wanted breaking wave

#

and then poseidon give me 3 duos

#

in one set

true fable
#

...

#

im lost

ripe crane
#

he wanted boon but didn't get it 😦

#

do not trust the boon, only shackle

formal gust
#

ok buddy

#

all hestia players want to bring me into the shacult

honest kernel
#

And a 13:20 with possibly the trolliest Tartarus ever

#

I wonder how I'd do with AP1 instead of DC2

#

3 Chaos fish in a row lmao

unreal pasture
#

I had one room where I got 3 artemis rooms and her duos in a row... that run was the best

north dove
unreal pasture
#

@north dove Is it just me or is Excalibur TD3 basically impossible?

#

Dunno how much you've messed with it

north dove
#

it's possible with EM3

unreal pasture
#

Mmm

#

TD3, JS3, DC2?

north dove
#

definitely no DC

unreal pasture
#

Or turning a bunch of that off

honest kernel
#

Excalibur DC2 ? lol

#

Turn that off ASAP

north dove
#

JS3 is fine

honest kernel
#

^

unreal pasture
#

Yea. I just did Excali 32 with DC2... it was fine. Just annoying...
But I did have Dio strike zaglol not much of a run aside memes...

#

Since I just did meme beam

#

The sword can sugma

north dove
#

dio strike excalibur thanthink

unreal pasture
#

It was pog for removing the 2nd DC 😂

north dove
#

is that more or less memey than zeus attack

unreal pasture
#

Uh... less, I think

#

You get slightly more from Dio every attack almost no matter what?

north dove
#

can you even get 5 stacks with the slow swings?

unreal pasture
#

1 stack of epic attack 6*4, 24

#

I doubt it

#

Well... actually, you might

#

But you're still getting more out of it

#

Since an Epic Zeus LS is 15

#

And in theory... everything that modifies Drunken Strike also buffs Lightning Strike? (except jolted)

ripe crane
honest kernel
#

Got a 13:28 but never saw Heart Rend

#

With AP on and DC2 off

#

Like, with or without AP it wasn't in the run

#

With Legacy lol

north dove
#

also can I just say that unhealthy fixation actually blows

#

makes boss fights a thousand times worse

unreal pasture
#

Ehh... it's not a thing on Arthur 😂

#

But if you're like Nyaa and you want to stack Aphro... you can almost permacharm stuff

#

Chiron Heartbreak Flourish

#

If you have Chiron + Aphro call, I suspect you could literally perma charm stuff on rotations...

north dove
#

but like... can Hades not unleash a spin at the speed of light as soon as the charm is over

unreal pasture
#

He does what he wants

north dove
honest kernel
#

What the absolute heck

#

This is actually cursed

north dove
#

Amir why

true fable
#

charm and dad call work pretty similarly

#

both suck for enemy ai

#

level 11 heartbreak strike too dusa

honest kernel
#

I might legit prefer Splitting Headache lmao

true fable
#

o pog

#

isnt splitting HA a meme

honest kernel
#

It's Biggest PP

#

Having my crits go from a 1/5 to a 1/4+ is noticeable

true fable
#

really

honest kernel
#

And that means My call also crits too

#

But this Artemis start is legit

#

You can go Deadly Reversal, Heart Rend or Splitting Headache

#

Hunter's Mark is insane

#

Artemis also offers Hunter's Instinct for Call spam

#

And Support Fire's pretty good for DPS/Call building

#

The only gods you don't want to see are Demeter and Ares

true fable
#

does support fire actually build call ticks

honest kernel
#

It does

true fable
#

thats actually good to know

honest kernel
#

I recall testing it

#

I punched once

#

Built once for the hit, once for the arrow

#

Omg if I keep the cast I could go for blackout lmao

#

But nah

#

... Me and my greedy Elysium Trials

#

heck

unreal pasture
#

how... was that some really good fountain rng as well?

#

I now see why Nyaa hates EM4 Hades on GY...
1/3rd of your HP gone every hit... even got an Erebus big heart and went to every heart

#

They should really make it like... only a 40 or 35% hp loss

honest kernel
#

Why is it always the sickest runs that are 3-sacks

true fable
#

3 god pool?

honest kernel
#

Poseidon showed up

#

But I just purged his boons lol

#

Got his aid I think

#

I was literally phasing Hades in phase 1

#

If only This was Arty special and Aphro attack instead

true fable
#

LOL

#

yeah

#

that trio of duos is stupid win more stuff

mossy zinc
unreal pasture
#

It was without FO and still lost 🤷‍♂️ but...
Yeah, his spear throw chunks, 50dmg

#

It was also super annoying... he showed me different AI patterns that I didn't know he had...
He seems to continually spear throw if you have him slowed by a massive amount

#

40% + killing freeze, guan yu spin hammers

#

And he just kept spear throwing and I was like... "What?"

gaunt fiber
#

Don't get hit

#

It sounded like a good piece of advice

honest kernel
#

Found Hypnos

gaunt fiber
#

Ok let's rephrase it

#

Take your time not to get hit

rain sedge
#

Astaos | Hypnos Wannabe

gaunt fiber
#

ok this the run

#

I hope I can get past furies

#

lmao I could not

glacial forge
#

whats the easiest PoP settings that is the easiest for u guys?

edgy arrow
#

depends on heat and weapons

rancid stirrup
#

EM3, TD2, DC2 depending on weapon

edgy arrow
#

but yeah those are a good start

#

DC is either free or horrifying, depending on aspect

glacial forge
#

ok, weapon is spear

edgy arrow
#

DC isn’t horrifying on spear, but i would call it free either

#

it’s not like rail or chiron or whatever

#

i avoid it if i can, personally, but spear is my weakest weapon so ymmv

#

if you’re doing like, zeus attack zag aspect or something it’s prolly not too bad

gaunt fiber
#

DC is pretty bad on chiron

#

You mostly clear tartarus with your attack

#

DC denying you powershot is annoying

#

tedious even

rain sedge
#

Fake news what

#

I never clear with attack on Tartarus

#

Also no one mentioned MM and BP yet?

gaunt fiber
rain sedge
#

Bow is my second most played weapon and I can count how many powershots I've done

unreal pasture
#

chiron against cloner numbskulls is pretty classic

#

Especially if they have DC2

#

Good times

#

why can't i hold all these lemons, except with numbskulls

rain sedge
#

Just shotgun it pepelaugh

gaunt fiber
proud jay
#

it's time

gaunt fiber
#

pog

solemn pulsar
#

What is it time for

gaunt fiber
#

final aspect 40 heat streak

#

arthur

#

twitch dot tv

sly remnant
#

Grats bablo! You are really good at this video game!

lusty mirage
#

yay bablo! very well done

lusty mirage
gaunt fiber
#

charged skewer is broken

rain sedge
#

Whoa

#

Did bablo do the 24x40

#

Consecutively?

gaunt fiber
#

pretty much

#

with a bit of practice between for Arthur he said

rain sedge
#

Of you told me the hardest 40 aspect is Arthur I won't believe you

#

But grats bablo

#

You are pog, this will forever live in the Hades hall of fame

gaunt fiber
#

guys just so we're clear

#

you can't say a boon is bad if you clear a high heat run with it as your main source of damage right?

true fable
#

is this gonna be a tempest strike thing

#

also gratz bablo

gaunt fiber
#

uh

#

no...

mossy zinc
#

He's excellent with any aspect, but there are aspects he's practiced less than others.

storm torrent
#

why does there seem to be a focus on beating 40 heat? that's no the max heat is it?

gaunt fiber
#

it's not beating 40heat

sly remnant
#

i'm pretty sure arthur falls off the hardest past 36 heat

gaunt fiber
#

it's 23 aspects in a row

sly remnant
#

the pact past 30-36 heat for sword is very biased against the weapon. arthur even moreso

rain sedge
#

24 aspects no?

storm torrent
rain sedge
#

It's a bablo made challenge

sly remnant
#

we are sort of figuring out where the threshold of feasibility is for weapons

#

in terms of....not getting lucky on a build/run. but just being able to roll with whatever

storm torrent
#

got it, thanks for clarifying 🙂 I'm still at ~6 heat with all weapons but it's still easy for me and I look forward to moving up into high heat